psyker-class

[untold niche]

going the destiny/warframe route

[cobalt atlas]

They give red weapon (Stats Maximized), then Perks that can be continuously be re-roll (Cheap price) - just patient or mods, then Blessing would be the same like Perks

• You could change 4/4

So you unlock all the blessing already (No grind needed)

Then if you want another weapon in red, just recycle 5 red weapon and change it

[untold niche]

yeah they defo want to pad the game hours

kind of weird though

[neat pecan]

kill me

[untold niche]

VT2 is so loved without all these hours padding

(personally i found tide games overrated but eh)
So its weird why they want to do the hour padding in darktide

i think

its because its faster to level up in DT
So to make up for th "lost" hours they used this

[cobalt atlas]

VT2 is also pretty bad at launch and took a lot of time to be perfected

FS moment

The game get progressively better over time (sucks to be launch player)

[untold niche]

i tried VT2, i don't like how slow the level ups were and it didt feel impactful.
Gameplay itself also felt boring

[urban sandal]

more hours played = higher chance of thinking about microtransactions = more money

[cobalt atlas]

Yea... VT2 doesn't have microtransaction path setup in mind

They have more "Terrible decision" with Microtransaction

[untold niche]

DT on open beta, felt like this as well.
i only bought it cause of p13

[cobalt atlas]

They lock certain playstyle/weapons behind DLC paid wall in Vermintide 2

in Darktide, it's more of a grind feast and microtransaction only impact "cosmetic"

[ornate hamlet]

The cosmetic MT's is smart

Makes us look fly af

[cobalt atlas]

Default accessible cosmetic look trash thou

[urban sandal]

yeah but you spent half the game's price on the outfit you're wearing

[untold niche]

prisoner garb goated

[cobalt atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[untold niche]

just b power rangers

[urban sandal]

zealot just a flesh wound penance cosmetic actually looks good, probably the only one

[cobalt atlas]

I dont want to be looking like a hobo fighting chaos spawn

[untold niche]

but we all are :v

ultimately you are still going to die from poxyb boom boom out of map

no diginity.

[cobalt atlas]

Im literally assassinating morbian twins that is a muscle for the chaos

[untold niche]

still going to die from poxyb boom boom

you cannot lie

poxyb boom boom is canon event in DT

[cobalt atlas]

Commissar's : Here's your complimentary jail clothing and a worn-out pants

[untold niche]

boom boom will still tear your clothes, no corpse to find

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-trash-seal-dr-dolittle-dolittle-gif-15298225

[untold niche]

trapper + flamer will cremate you on the spot

clothing is just a mindset

also

genuine suggestion

i feel they should make vent's damage augment into something that slow enemy movement speed and attack speed

so one is for damage ( soulblaze)
other one is for utility

that would help alot esp against ragers

think about it. 70% reduce ms and as for 5 seconds

[ornate hamlet]

I use flames that stagger ragers

[untold niche]

oh ye about purg

is there a purg soulblaze build

like viable

[cobalt atlas]

There should be one

It's not like they aren't compatible

[untold niche]

is it good?

with the crit proc blaze blessin

[urban sandal]

it's kinda redundant if you have high burn rate

[untold niche]

How come? Like they die very quickly already?

[urban sandal]

you already apply max burn stacks with a charged secondary when you have high burn stat

[cobalt atlas]

Sorry was in game

Pretty redundant overall but it's cool if you want to apply more stack of burn

Dome provide more utility

[quartz barn]

Slow isnt really needed as you can outrun almost everything anyway

[fluid terrace]

why does no one run warp psionics, is it bad now or soemthing? i like running it but it seems like everyone else uses warp charges

[delicate stratus]

It's good if you rely on blitz, warp charges are better for damage or lower CD on bubbles

I like it with my scrier build that deals hilarious amounts of damage

[urban sandal]

warp charges affects everything you do that deals damage or builds peril, EP only buffs your blitz

[zinc tartan]

EP is great when used with abilities that synergize with it. BB probably gets the most value out of it.

chaining fast BB's with warp rider is

[spark swallow]

was there a recent nerf to staff charge time? I feel like it charges slower even before the twin patch came out.

[untold niche]

Isn't the purge flame and soul blaze flame different

[unkempt light]

Nah, Purgatus fire is Soul Blaze IIRC

[untold niche]

Only with ds4 no? I constantly get hit when I try to slide away

[untold niche]

That is so lame :(

Wait does psyker have flamer

[unkempt light]

That is the Purgatus/Flamer Staff, yes

[plucky flax]

Another one with a lvl 1700 gamer

[untold niche]

No I meant the gun

I want to make both red and blue fire

[unkempt light]

No, that's Zealot exclusive

Unless you mean slapping Infernus on a rapid fire Lasgun

[untold niche]

I se

Thanks dood

[unkempt light]

[untold niche]

I assume with purg it's assail, bobble and WS?

[unkempt light]

I mean, I use Brain Burst, Wail/Push with WS but I am definitely the weirdo here

[untold niche]

I was thinking assail over BB for gunners

What is wail? Vent?

[unkempt light]

Ye

[quasi junco]

are they ever going to fix the infinite loading screens?

[untold niche]

Why take vent

[unkempt light]

Same reason as I take BB over Assail: I don't like the Talent tax to go from right side of Psyker Tree to the left

[plucky flax]

Can't take wildfire with assail.

[untold niche]

Do you need wilfire with purge- OH WAIT ITS A YOU

[unkempt light]

?

[plucky flax]

[spark swallow]

problem is, I tried this with the warp battery that gives you 10% chance to get a charge, doesn't seem to work

[obsidian nimbus]

Huh how are people above 30 xD on xbox it only shows people as their levels

[fluid terrace]

i like fire

[unkempt light]

No idea then, maybe it really is just the Soul Blaze DoT that grants Warp Battery stacks

[untold niche]

but assail to bobble to ws is right -> mid -> left
i don't think that requires more points vs left->left->left right?

[plucky flax]

It's mod to show their exp level.

[obsidian nimbus]

Shame...

[unkempt light]

I'll give it a shot then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold niche]

no im just asking :v

im only average skilled

[plucky flax]

There are a lot of really good mods for this game.

[untold niche]

oh ye mr.agent

quick qn

assail which augment is needed

[plucky flax]

U doing really well with the psyker, but when i look at ur video i see that having 1-mob hp bar(wich is limit okay i think) 2-real time dash count 3- psyker % colors(u don't even need to take a look at the number now u just look at the color) sorry bro at this point i feel it's cheating.
Edit: WTF as well u got the mod that allowed u to see all the right enter in the data interrogator yeah bro ur cheating and not hiding it x) Edit2: at this point I suspect u use those kind of mouse shortcuts that allowed u to click and shoot fast.

[obsidian nimbus]

Huh

[plucky flax]

[untold niche]

hes referencing xbox player (by inference because that player can't use mods) calling him cheater (which he is)

[plucky flax]

[obsidian nimbus]

Oh

Well eh

It's a coop game

[untold niche]

yes im a cheater too

[obsidian nimbus]

Who cares lol

[untold niche]

yeah i better delete that

[untold niche]

mistah agent

[plucky flax]

All the mods I use are legal according to fs btw.

[obsidian nimbus]

I mean it's a coop game

[plucky flax]

[obsidian nimbus]

Fuck I cheated in payday 2

[untold niche]

not according to me

[plucky flax]

[untold niche]

agent agent agent

[untold niche]

^^^

answer or i hek ur acc to delete your god rolled trauma staff

im a profesional heker

[cobalt atlas]

I am a cheater too

[plucky flax]

Omg

[cobalt atlas]

I love my dodge counter, my HP counter

[plucky flax]

Wut u want

[cobalt atlas]

My visual mode that make every small and my buff at the middle

[plucky flax]

Take both

They are super good.

Then take ep too make assail even better.

[untold niche]

okeh thanks

ep for the gay

[cobalt atlas]

I still wonder how people build EP assaii

[untold niche]

ep assail for the gay*

[cobalt atlas]

Slay bitch

[untold niche]

ds4, revolvo

[cobalt atlas]

Now give me the formula

[untold niche]

100%

[cobalt atlas]

Disrupt destiny feel good and bad at the same time

Because I need to build stack to make it great

Then I don’t feel it half the time

[untold niche]

take the time one

[plucky flax]

Until they make dd function similar to piety I won't touch it.

[untold niche]

and the final node

[cobalt atlas]

I did

[plucky flax]

I don't need more rng in this game.

[cobalt atlas]

I just didn’t feel it

[untold niche]

then play a5histg / maelstrom

ez

[cobalt atlas]

Like ya dick

[untold niche]

your mom did

[cobalt atlas]

I am

I only play Auric 5 quick play

[untold niche]

mr selfish
purg, build crit?

or no.

[cobalt atlas]

Isn't that the entire point of Purg

to crit for extra flame?

[untold niche]

me me dumb

dk how purg work

forgib

mettle you need to land the crit hits, or as long as you shoot some out it will proc like perfect timing?

idk i feel the build looks kinda wonk

[vestal fulcrum]

Don’t deny yourself intelligence for the sake of being silly, sibling. Not all those who wander are lost - asking is the natural way of progressing

[untold niche]

yessir

[vestal fulcrum]

For starters, IDK if I would play Assail with Purge

Their roles overlap

[untold niche]

how you kill gunners with purge

[vestal fulcrum]

Not in a good way, either

[vestal fulcrum]

BR would be one way

[cobalt atlas]

Im a non-supportive player with purg staff so brain Burst, and Shield

[plucky flax]

Oh hope and pray the vet will do it.

[untold niche]

BB too slow no?

[vestal fulcrum]

Flanking them with Purge also works

[untold niche]

theres like 7 gunners ez

[glass forge]

Would like to know too

[cobalt atlas]

Purg Staff Blessing

Once you build enough Warp Siphon, you could easily hower over 85% for maximum crits ( I dont know the numbers specifically )

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, it kills, and can be sped up with Kinetic Resonance upgrade and/or EP keystone

[plucky flax]

Purg build
https://youtu.be/vx7DY17ZUtU
https://youtu.be/21QTPqVRkiA

[untold niche]

KR reliable?
doesn't feel that reliable esp if you take bobble

[vestal fulcrum]

Hm, fair, KR may not be very reliable with the bubble

[obsidian nimbus]

I shall look at this later... I would like a purg build

[vestal fulcrum]

But EP exists, still

[cobalt atlas]

Worst Staff

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[untold niche]

@vestal fulcrum help plos

[plucky flax]

[vestal fulcrum]

Mettle works on hits only

[cobalt atlas]

You dare call yourself a psyker without blinding your entire team?

[untold niche]

thanks d00d

[obsidian nimbus]

Speaking builds, I wanna find a build around smite

[quartz barn]

Little late for this one, but it depends on how you move. Tracking for a lot of attacks is wack and will hit you if you run away in a straight line despite not visually connecting

[untold niche]

they hit me mid slide

[ebon pawn]

look at dat weakspot dealt lol

[quartz barn]

Also crusher tracking can be fun

[untold niche]

and everyone here telling me yo can't get hit mid slide

:(

[quartz barn]

You cant, you get i frames

However i dont know if weapons with exdended dodge get more

[untold niche]

@vestal fulcrum can you explan why assail and purg bad

[quartz barn]

And if weapons with less dodge get less i frames

[plucky flax]

Feels like it

[untold niche]

im pretty sure the slide iframes doesn't last the entirety of the slide

[summer prairie]

you can absolutely get hit mid slide

[untold niche]

kjerad you are now in my top 5 list

[quartz barn]

Well thats my thing, its just for the dodge. Not the slide

[vestal fulcrum]

Role overlap - both weapons clear hordes, only that Assail is better at killing shooters and Purge is better at killing melee elites

[untold niche]

[quartz barn]

So if you slide dodge its going to be funky anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

But Purge can also be good at killing shooters if you can get close to them, due to suppression

[untold niche]

so take BB to kill crushers easier?

[plucky flax]

Kjerad top 0.9% psyker

[untold niche]

wouldn't you flame crushers with purg anyway, esp since it staggers

unless you are going for max dps efficiency

[cobalt atlas]

I dont remember you can stagger crusher with Purg

[untold niche]

oh you can't

?

[plucky flax]

Used to not anymore

[untold niche]

yeah worst staff

even void can

URGHHH

[vestal fulcrum]

You can also flame them and stack Uncanny Strike on your melee weapon, but that requires a setup

[untold niche]

lightning staff will stagger crusher?

[quartz barn]

Void makes sense cuz no dmg reduction

[vestal fulcrum]

BR doesn’t care if you have a set up or not

[cobalt atlas]

Lighting Staff Stagger Crusher

[untold niche]

lightning staff can do the proc fire on crit?

[cobalt atlas]

If you got the smite thingy, it jump to another crusher with less damage but still stagger

[vestal fulcrum]

It does stagger Crushers easily with RMB

[cobalt atlas]

Yea

[untold niche]

SO I CAN ROLEPLAY AS AVATAR?

:OOOO

[quartz barn]

Use the special to stagger

Staff bonk ftw

[cobalt atlas]

I remember all staff crits create burns right

[lethal lagoon]

Theoretically bad, but pubs are so bad at killing ranged mobs it works fine.

[cobalt atlas]

please tell me im not crazy

[vestal fulcrum]

By the corpse Emperor, I wish

[quartz barn]

Me when i jump slide flamers

[vestal fulcrum]

You might be crazy, because Void and Trauma can only do that with Blazing Spirit blessing

[plucky flax]

You cray

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge doesn’t apply soul blaze by any means

[untold niche]

wait so lightning staff don't need that blessing?

[vestal fulcrum]

And Purge is all about soul blaze

[vestal fulcrum]

Which one, Blazing Spirit?

[untold niche]

or lightning staff can't make fire

yeah

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t have BS, period

[untold niche]

why trauma get fire but lightning staff no fire

trauma op pls nerf

[cobalt atlas]

it's so joever

[vestal fulcrum]

Idk, but post patch 13 Surge doesn’t really need the warp burn to kill stuff

[untold niche]

thats not hard right?
tbh i rather do the setup than run BB :v

[urban sandal]

[vestal fulcrum]

It would have made sense in pre patch 13 iteration

But the blessing doesn’t exist in its pool, so it’s not like this matters

[obsidian nimbus]

Gunna say surge feels pretty strong already

[untold niche]

ep-ed BB one shot crusher? @vestal fulcrum

80% peril

start charge

[vestal fulcrum]

No, it’s definitely not hard, but caution is advised while handling multiple elites at a time

[cobalt atlas]

Not sure whether this is still up to date https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KVVpasnIrw

[untold niche]

surge looks gay like you are massaging the enemy then they epxlode out of pleasure

[obsidian nimbus]

I wasn't thinking that, but if you are

Then that's fine

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t think you can one-shot a Crusher with BR, even with all the possible damage buffs

[untold niche]

disgusting

like you only have 3 stacks of ep at most

[vestal fulcrum]

But you can two-shot it - that can sometimes be valuable enough

[untold niche]

can only kill 1 and a half crusher?

[vestal fulcrum]

Or whittle it down enough for somebody else to finish it

[untold niche]

if only

[cobalt atlas]

Just play BrainBurst Purg Staff with Warp Siphon

[untold niche]

i run crusher on zealot instead of caxe precisely because i want to 1vX crushers (and ragers :v)

[cobalt atlas]

(Take Smite if you really really annoyed by crusher)

MK IV Duel Sword are pretty good against Crusher ald

[untold niche]

oh yeah with purge i can run ds4

[cobalt atlas]

This is what Im using at the moment (Changing Weak spot to Cara)

[untold niche]

u r genios

[cobalt atlas]

Binging on a lot of Content lmao, all my idea isn't original

[untold niche]

i assume you can't headshot with purge right?

[cobalt atlas]

Purge can't headshot

Your only crit sources is the blessing

[spark swallow]

I think purgatus and surge can no longer headshot right?

I miss the days I can headshot with surge

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge certainly can't no more, IDK about Purgatus

I don't play enough of Purgatus

[spark swallow]

yeah I felt like all the staff charge time has become unbearable

not exactly sure why but I don't see a patch nerfing their charge time

[cobalt atlas]

You're forced to get the charge time blessings for staff anyways

[spark swallow]

yeah I have those already

but I feel like it has become slower than before

[paper loom]

Siblings any Chain sword enjoyers? if so is this worth a buy?

[cobalt atlas]

I been playing too much purg staff without that blessings so it's pretty ok imo

[spark swallow]

I mainly use surge staff with warp flurry 4 and it feels slower than it was before

[urban sandal]

no

every perk and blessing on that thing sucks

[paper loom]

ah ok

[spark swallow]

nay, aside from that, psykers are too squishy to spend time shredding

[cobalt atlas]

They did "Buff" Shredding

[spark swallow]

that 1.5 seconds of shredding feels like a death sentence to me

[paper loom]

im actually half Astartes so i enjoy a chain sword

[cobalt atlas]

My problem is more of "Sound que" not hitting

I dont know is it only me, where I just get no sound from pending hit or tickin bomb

[paper loom]

i get bored of using the same iremts

items

force sword is kinda dull now

[urban sandal]

I use mk4 devil's claw

[cobalt atlas]

Try Duel Sword IV

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s not only a problem you face - it’s been ever so prevalent since patch 13 or so

[cobalt atlas]

Pretty unique, I kinda relearn how to play

[spark swallow]

this I use as alternative when I'm doing gun builds

[vestal fulcrum]

The sound system just chokes on itself

[paper loom]

you need deflect tho yea?

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t hear close bursters, or trappers, or bombers unpinning grenades

[spark swallow]

so much fun how psykers can be agile when its focused on gun builds unlike the slow staff builds

[vestal fulcrum]

Sometimes I don’t even hear mutants

[cobalt atlas]

Man

I love my Deimos sword but man, MK IV dueling just so fuckin fun

You stab mutant in the head especially

[untold niche]

which one better if i dont want run ep bb :v

[cobalt atlas]

His body just slide past you

[spark swallow]

ep bb?

[cobalt atlas]

Are you playing purg staff?

[vestal fulcrum]

My intuition wants me to say the entire kerfuffle has something to do with elite enemies being AUDIBLE all of a sudden, but as a payoff, all other relevant sounds refuse to be properly played

I think I preferred silent Maulers over what we have right now

[untold niche]

Purg ds4

[cobalt atlas]

I think you should go leftward with purg staff because it give more burn option

You don’t use brain burst half the time

You take it for the 10% burst chance which is pretty neat with purg staff

[untold niche]

PC with purg sounds silly imo

[untold niche]

Oh it proc on each DoT? O

[cobalt atlas]

If I’m not crazy again so @vestal fulcrum

[untold niche]

I'm starting to play mael which seems to give cdr. I'm running cdr curios as well already

[vestal fulcrum]

Hold on.

Will check.

[untold niche]

Will mael always give CDR?

[quartz barn]

Isnt it on a cooldown?

15 sec afaik

[spark swallow]

no it doesn't proc with dot

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t think it can proc on dot

[urban sandal]

no, it will say reduced cooldown in the description

[vestal fulcrum]

Its description suggests it has to be a “damaging attack”

[untold niche]

Wait so only sometime?

[vestal fulcrum]

So a player action

[spark swallow]

think of purge staff like torrent guns. each hit can trigger kenetic flail, but DoT is a whole different thing.

[vestal fulcrum]

Dots aren’t exactly player actions, they are debuffs

[urban sandal]

assuming you mean maelstrom missions, yes only sometimes

[untold niche]

Ah so the initial flame hits

[quartz barn]

Yup

[untold niche]

Okeh what other benefits there arw

[urban sandal]

enhanced blitz

ig extra barrels is one

[untold niche]

Extra barrels is poo poo

[quartz barn]

But big boom

[untold niche]

But fire

[quartz barn]

Both

[untold niche]

Fire bad

[cobalt atlas]

Shame, time to go back and redo my psyker build

[untold niche]

Boom boom debatable

[quartz barn]

No fire good

[untold niche]

No fire bad.
Fire painful for me

[cobalt atlas]

But I just build my purg ds IV like this

I dont use brain burster half the time

[quartz barn]

Hey its my void build

[untold niche]

Why no mettle and perfect timing

[spark swallow]

speaking of fire, its actually funny how if you are downed in flames, the time you spent being downed carries over if you are picked while the floor is on fire. instant down again lmao

[cobalt atlas]

Crits hit not consistent with Purg staff imo

[untold niche]

Yes those dumb dumbs that revive me in fire

[cobalt atlas]

even with the blessing, I dont seem to be getting that much crits

[untold niche]

What base purg crit chance

[cobalt atlas]

Im not good with numbers so not a good question for me

[calm lotus]

ug

[spark swallow]

I've tried this. trying to be "untouchable" from range attacks from the enemies.
My gun deals more crit counts than per tick of purge staff.

[cobalt atlas]

Most Crits for Psyker come from this one specific passive that Purg staff dont get

[spark swallow]

very true

[untold niche]

Kjeraf

What base purg chance

[vestal fulcrum]

Purge crits can be made somewhat consistent with Crit aura, passive node from bottom right and Warp Nexus blessing.

IDK, 7.5%?

[untold niche]

That's pretty low goddam

[vestal fulcrum]

Like Psyker’s Base Crit chance?

[untold niche]

Doesn't different staff have different crit chanfe

[quartz barn]

Base is 5 i believe

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t think Purge gets anything extra

[quartz barn]

But how high is purge dmg tickrate

[spark swallow]

wait, where do you find these kinds of info?

[vestal fulcrum]

Nope, it’s been datamined to be 7.5%

[spark swallow]

ah

[quartz barn]

Til tnx

[spark swallow]

datamining

[spice veldt]

all staffs besides surge should have 0% base crit chance

[quartz barn]

I thought 5 cuz every crit thing is measured in 5s

[untold niche]

7.5%
20% from peril crit blessing
5% aura
5% crit perk
37.5% per puff isn't that bad

[vestal fulcrum]

Fair, this is much better wording than what I used, cheers

[untold niche]

Hello Mr arco

[spice veldt]

hi

yeah you only need as much crit chance to sustain perfect timing which isn't much

if it still procs on an attack, that's even better

and with purg's fire rate

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d say it procs often enough even on single targets that PT and Mettle have good enough uptime

[spice veldt]

I like it very much

[vestal fulcrum]

You may not even need all the additional sources like the aura, but it’s a good aura regardless, especially with bubble

[untold niche]

So purg gameplay against crusher is purg, then swap to ds4 for pokey pokey and uncanny proc on the fire?

Purg staggers horde

Right

[cobalt atlas]

Just keep Flaming

[untold niche]

What purge no stagger?

[spice veldt]

sounds like a good strat

[cobalt atlas]

I remember it does but I got terrifying suppression so Shrug

[spice veldt]

Purg doesn't stagger crushers nowadays

rmb's stagger is unreliable

[untold niche]

So only crusher?

[untold niche]

Ya but that's why there's the alternate pokey no

[spice veldt]

yeah ds4 and whatnot

[untold niche]

Arco what you feel about nades for purg

[subtle swift]

im gunna try to roll a deflector deimos force sword. my second blessing i was thinking either blazing spirit or uncanny strikes

[spice veldt]

I personally run right side Purg cuz I don't feel like giving up assail

[untold niche]

Kjerad adamant about BB but I am stubborn

[subtle swift]

been running DS4 for so long now im kinda bored of it

[cobalt atlas]

Share your build

[untold niche]

Run deimos for 1 pokey on mutie

[cobalt atlas]

I had been running left purg too long

[untold niche]

Else ds4 highest skill expression

[vestal fulcrum]

I am a slave to BR, don’t mind me

[spice veldt]

assail for a quick stagger and to supplement my melee, and Purg for high densities

I'll share it once I'm out of the bathroom

[subtle swift]

what do you think uncanny or blazing spirit?>

[spark swallow]

but man assail feels like a waste for me nowadays. it regens too slow. I can accept the high peril but not how slow it is.

[subtle swift]

im using a crit build so blazing sounds pretty nice

[untold niche]

I can't answer that sorry

But yeah ds4 is highest skill expression so you would prob get bored with scrub illisi

I run that because ez horde clear

[cobalt atlas]

Was DS4 even a high skill expression..

[subtle swift]

yeah i like my DS4 just there are so many weapons i wanna mess around with and not be stuck using the same forever :P

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d say there’s an argument to be made for both BR and Assail on Purge, but both are directions I never tested well enough to elaborate greatly

[cobalt atlas]

I feel it's fun but not high skill

[untold niche]

Highest*
With lunge and high APM gunker with assail

There's stuff you can do that only works with ds4

By itself yeah

No combos. Pokey ez to land

[subtle swift]

i know i have 300 hours using just DS4 im bored lol

[untold niche]

You must. Become psyker seer

[cobalt atlas]

Deimos is just force heavy attack against crusher for me

I dont pull the weapon out a lot

[untold niche]

Arco my top 3 but he doesn't use void

[vestal fulcrum]

But I’m a Loner already, I can’t call Emperor a corpse and my beloved at the same time

[untold niche]

Agent chaos top 5 but he fire fanboy

[spice veldt]

this is my purg build

i basically run that lineup for everything

[untold niche]

Wait DD?

[spice veldt]

yeah cuz assail + DD

[untold niche]

So it's actually gunker

[cobalt atlas]

Interesting

[spice veldt]

yup

it's my gunker build but i just replace gun with purg

[untold niche]

You disappoint me arco

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s a lot of toughness replenishment nodes

[untold niche]

No words have hurt me more

[spice veldt]

i like builds where i don't have to change anything when using different weapons

[vestal fulcrum]

Each to their own, I suppose

[spice veldt]

to sustain my business of running into ranged patrols

[cobalt atlas]

You could also take smite for Purg + DS IV if you into that..

just a lot of CC

Burn the trash, smite the crusher

[spice veldt]

i'm on that damage grindset so i just stab crushers

i avoid using the special on the duelling sword because of the marginal dps loss

[untold niche]

I feel no point smite if you have both purg and ds4

[spice veldt]

even if it results in sudden death overhead syndrome

[cobalt atlas]

I use smite when there's a stack of crusher on specific mael auric mission

No ammo pickup only scrab melee one

[untold niche]

Stack is what? 6?

[subtle swift]

there got a fairly decent roll deimos. now i just need to unlock the lvl 4 blessings

[untold niche]

Assail staggers crusher rigjt?

[spice veldt]

i don't think so anymore

[cobalt atlas]

Uhhhhh I dont think so?

[spice veldt]

i know that it did in patch 13

[untold niche]

If yes to both I'm pretty sure you can solo 6 crushers with assail QQ

[spice veldt]

but i don't think i've been staggering crushers with assail anymore

[untold niche]

Is it lmb rmb thing

[spice veldt]

i think i was only staggering crushers because of the old rending% behavior of uncanny boosting your stagger

but that was changed

[untold niche]

P13 goated. Revolvo hand cannon working on your melee

[cobalt atlas]

Yea I never feel my gunpsyker did well against Crusher (Using assail)

[untold niche]

Hmm that's an issue

[spice veldt]

the good ol days (just imagine that i had hand cannon instead) https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[cobalt atlas]

You could Burn them but

[cobalt atlas]

This graphic setting

[untold niche]

Wait Arco then how you take down crusher horde with your build

[cobalt atlas]

How do you get this

[untold niche]

I assume you assail and then one poke with ds4?

[spice veldt]

edit some stuff in user_settings.config

i usually just kite and poke

and spam dodges

[cobalt atlas]

Yea DS4 is pretty good against Crusher by poking them

[untold niche]

I'm averagely skilled you need give me something more concrete

[spice veldt]

and hope that no crusher swing is perfectly timed to hit me in that margin between my i-frames

[untold niche]

Else I can't replicate that

[spice veldt]

it really is just spam dodges

like figure out the BPM of dodges

[untold niche]

So sometimes you get hit by OH?

[spice veldt]

and tap to that

ye

usually when i lapse in pressing dodge

[untold niche]

:(

How can you get hit arco

I'm dropping you by 1 on my list

[spice veldt]

if you can avoid panicking and put some attention to spamming dodges, you'll be safe because of crushers' absurdly short dodge catch

[spice veldt]

i cri

[cobalt atlas]

A bunch of trash + Crusher are the worst recipe on getting overhead

[untold niche]

Dodge end, crusher from behind perfectly time. You dead

Everytime.

:(

[spice veldt]

yeah i usually dodge sideways or diagonal and never backwards

[untold niche]

My experience with crusher zealot

[spice veldt]

i have Bleed for the Emperor and Until Death to sustain my business of getting overheaded

[cobalt atlas]

Zealot ? just put out your trusty revolver and start kiting

[untold niche]

I'm pretty sure it's one shot

I don't think BFTE gonna save you from OH

Or am i

Forgetting

[spice veldt]

nah Bleed For the Emperor lets you comfortably lose a little over 100 hp to overheads

[untold niche]

I see.

Wait zealot doesn't have ds4 right

[spice veldt]

so i can theoretically take 3 crusher shots (BftE & Until Death)

nah

i'm not sure how the anti-cara melee options on zealot fares

i always run Crusher (the melee weapon) and that works well enough for damage

[cobalt atlas]

Can I also ask how does MK IV Duelling sword Special work?

[spice veldt]

as long as i don't mess up the combo

[untold niche]

Thammer for one time deal. Crusher for 1vX

I run crusher too

[spice veldt]

the special is a low-damage attack with high stagger

[untold niche]

3 damage. Medium stagger

[spice veldt]

has nice animation timing properties

[cobalt atlas]

Sound terrible

[untold niche]

On crusher

No very good you baka

It's fast stab

[spice veldt]

cuz it interrupts the heavies early and has a fast followup into heavies

[untold niche]

Stagger crusher

[spice veldt]

so it's not as much of a DPS loss as you think

[cobalt atlas]

Im testing it right now, but it seem like you need to poke it 5 times for one stagger

[spice veldt]

the only reason I don't use the special is cuz I'm REALLY greedy

you need to hit their heads

[untold niche]

Poke the head

Since when do we not aim for head

[cobalt atlas]

I am...

[untold niche]

I am dissapointed in you

[cobalt atlas]

it's inconsistent for some reason

[untold niche]

Go stand in the corner and reflect

[cobalt atlas]

I am poking wdymmmm

[untold niche]

I genuinely don't know the reason. I took a serviceable stat ds4 and it staggers on 1 hit.

Ping Arco or sumting

[cobalt atlas]

Also, how does Assail projectile range work after first target hit

the bounce afterward

[untold niche]

It follows cursor

The shard itself

Last a specific duration

So if enemy close

You get to pen more with a cap

If enemy far

Only 1-2

[cobalt atlas]

So I need to look at them after first bounce?

[untold niche]

Ya. Follow cursor. Try in psk

[cobalt atlas]

Is there a limit how much angle it could turn?

[spice veldt]

seems like it has some turning radius yeah

but it seems lenient for the most part

[untold niche]

@spice veldt

Isnt alt pokey garunteed stagger on head

How come he can't stagger

[spice veldt]

should stumble a crusher consistently but i also haven't used it since patch 14 cuz i'm on that DPS grindset

[cobalt atlas]

Here's my weapon

Yes I know I dont have IV Uncanny

[subtle swift]

damn. the deimos has great stagger. able to knock a crusher on his ass with heavy attacks

[spice veldt]

oh they did finally fix being able to chain-stagger crushers

seems like crushers get their 3-second stagger immunity or so even after only medium stagger

[untold niche]

Yeah h2

[untold niche]

Patched? So sad.

[cobalt atlas]

Oh.

[untold niche]

It used to be loopable

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah yeah, that’s a mechanic I completely forgot about… I wonder if this matters by the time you kill them, though

[calm lotus]

ug

[spice veldt]

used to only be on heavy stagger (getting knocked to the ground)

[cobalt atlas]

Is it a stagger immunity or stagger HP increase in vermintide something

[spice veldt]

yeah if there's one you can just dps down, and if there's multiple you'll just special different crushers

not sure, but even the trauma is unable to knock them down once they're in that state

not sure about smite/surge since i don't use those

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge can hold Crushers in place indefinitely

So can Smite

[subtle swift]

hmmm i think ill change blazing spirit though to uncanny

[untold niche]

About smite. You need to smite for a duration with rmb before it can even stagger on release correct?

[cobalt atlas]

Uncanny is better with Deimos

I don’t feel like I ever use soul blaze Crit with Deimos

Since I pull it out only when I want to kill big guy

[subtle swift]

it sounded neat but after testing it in psykanium its meh

so yeah uncanny for sure

[vestal fulcrum]

I reckon it does need to be channelled for a bit, until the target is locked in the funny dance, yes

[untold niche]

Ah so as soon as they seizure it's a stagger ej

Anyone In game rn can test if it's loopable on crusher pls

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m not at my PC at the moment, so I can’t help

[untold niche]

Would be quite insane.

[cobalt atlas]

No

it's not loopable but You could already create a big distance between you and crusher

If you took warp siphon (a lot of peril generation reduction)

[vestal fulcrum]

And even if you can’t loop it, Crushers themselves are rarely a threat big enough to be worried about, and what charged Smite does, it can throw lesser enemies to the ground while you have the big boy exposed

Bigger amount of bigger boys though - you have to either start stabbing them one by one, without resolving to Smite, or rely on somebody else to stab them while you keep them incapacitated

[cobalt atlas]

Siphon warp with peril generation reduction for Smite are insane

Literally nothing else in this game provide that much CC for that long

[vestal fulcrum]

But it’s often very low tempo 🫠

[plucky flax]

Certified top 1%.

[vestal fulcrum]

I usually only Smite long enough to hit it with Shriek at 84% peril and move on to something else

[worldly iron]

Siblings. Meme gun

[cobalt atlas]

Me with a smite without any boss in sight for the next 2 hours

I dont know about you but, Smite is probably one of the strongest no brainer right now if you're not into DPS grind

[half iron]

i’m into the plasteel grind‼️‼️💯🗣️🗣️

[cobalt atlas]

Siphon Warp + Smite and a staff that help you quell peril extra fast

[vestal fulcrum]

Even Smite can enable you to deal damage - only over-use or over-relying on it is somewhat bad for your growth.

[cobalt atlas]

Im into that Gun Psyker because it's more fun overall

Smite just turn every damnation map into a walk in the park

especially if you have 2 smite psyker in team

[spark swallow]

at first I thought gun psyk sucks, but gradually I found it feasible in karnak twins. Now I'm loving how agile it is and how OP it can be in the middle of a gunfight

[cobalt atlas]

The AI director literally can't do anything against Smite unless boss spawning

[spark swallow]

this is what I use for karnak twins.

its nnot fully furnished but it defo has its charm

[summer prairie]

the stagger immunity implementation is pretty annoying since you have no way to tell

they should never be immune to full charge trauma stagger, just makes the behavior weirdly inconsistent

if my attack that usually staggers doesn't stagger when it's doing an overhead, that's bad

[quaint burrow]

do we ever get out of the plasteel grind?

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[quaint burrow]

that's what I thought

[unkempt parcel]

Man I love Soulblaze trauma so much

[plucky flax]

Isn't it really bad?

I'm trying to get my staff to get buffed.

[unkempt parcel]

Mmm yes buff trauma staff mm yes good idea

Or for next staff can we have first iteration of assail on a staff

[vestal fulcrum]

Trauma should just instagib anything in the epicentre

[unkempt parcel]

[wise ruin]

worth it?

[plucky flax]

See this guy get it.

Responding to my blaze trauma staff.

[vestal fulcrum]

“It’s shit”

Besides Surge, with Trauma I have had most of my QP successes achieved

Playing Trauma is like playing bloons tower defence

But you are the tower

[azure bridge]

i'm out of the loop it would seem, what are we talking about?

[vestal fulcrum]

I think it’s responses to AgentChaos’s (selfish in war) video

[azure bridge]

... I don't get how you can be considered fragile with randos

[vestal fulcrum]

Fun takes overall

[azure bridge]

that staff shreds enemies

i had a game yesterday where we got assaulted by 12 shotgunners, downed in two blasts

as in the gunners were downed not me

I guess thats the point of them posting it, its always strange to see people have oppinions that seem to contradict your own personal experiences

maybe i'm wrong, maybe they are super fragile

[unkempt parcel]

Never felt fragile with my trauma even when turning a corner into the entire shotgunners family tree just 1 charge hit and swap to sword to deflect and they will die in no time or just keep smashing with staff and dodging

Yk what the dodge buttons were made for

[plucky flax]

[azure bridge]

That has been my experience as well

[unkempt parcel]

[azure bridge]

Trauma has an answer to almost every enemy except perhaps monstrosities

[vestal fulcrum]

Psyker generally is fragile, that much is true, but Trauma makes it so the only things that are remotely threatening to you are specials in combination with other space limiting factors

And funnelling of enemies is almost always a thing you can do

[azure bridge]

specials dont generally threaten me either, its usually my lack of monsotrosity damage

or ground fire

because fuck bombers

[unkempt parcel]

Luckily rarely happens if i see a shotgunner horde coming at me they are all scattered and cc by the first hit and the second full charge will kill them depending on my warp charge count and once you get the first kill on a big pack of shotgunners its not long until the killfeed is all you

[plucky flax]

I don't like using trauma in green blessed though.

[vestal fulcrum]

Which is exactly why I hardly ever contribute to boss damage, unless I really have nothing better to do (kill horde, kill specials, or both)

[plucky flax]

Stagger immuned is too op.

[azure bridge]

nurgle blessing stops it?

[unkempt parcel]

Nurgle blessing and I think crushers become immune after 2 staggers iirc

[azure bridge]

not sure i'd want to play that modifier, seems like an anti-fun penalty

[unkempt parcel]

Its not that bad tbh

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s a penalty that I have the most fun on when playing Surge/Smite

[unkempt parcel]

The only thing thats slightly spooky is blessed crushers

[vestal fulcrum]

Suddenly, the entire stagger advantage of your build is mitigated by the stinky enemies. It keeps you on your toes

[unkempt parcel]

Everything else still gets cleaned up if its in a horde

[azure bridge]

I gotta say, the killfeed being filled up because of spreading soulfire

is glorious

[unkempt parcel]

1000%

Keeps the voices away for a couple minutes

[azure bridge]

I'm not using an optimal staff, its flurry/blazing spirits for me, but i get enough fire procs where so much stuff dies

[plucky flax]

Only ogryn charge, taunt, and vet shout can stagger green bois.

[azure bridge]

I cannot for the life of me get a staff higher than 330 to drop so i can make a flurry/rending lol

[vestal fulcrum]

Anything that gives you +Impact strength allows you to surpass the -100% impact strength modifier the green dudes have.

[azure bridge]

already spent 1 mill ordos

[vestal fulcrum]

Green dogs for instance can be pushed mid-air

[unkempt parcel]

Will give soul away for soulblaze 4

[plucky flax]

Still yet to see a better blaze trauma than mine.

[unkempt parcel]

Holy shit

[azure bridge]

yeah

its nuts

i have one that's close to it

[vestal fulcrum]

IDK if due to an overriding function, or because they have a negative impact modifier, but green dogs are only bad if you’re in a situation where you can’t push them

[unkempt parcel]

I swear soul blaze 4 doesnt exist

[azure bridge]

it doesnt?

[plucky flax]

Blazing spirit t4 ready.

No it doesn't.

[azure bridge]

yeah thats what i thought

[plucky flax]

That's why mine is good because I can upgrade it if they ever release it.

[vestal fulcrum]

Blazing T4 on staves would have been ridiculous

[azure bridge]

I wish we had red weapons like in vermintide

[vestal fulcrum]

FS surely will not implement the system 1:1 from VT1/2

It would invalidate the devilishly memed upon “design intent”

[azure bridge]

if rng isn't removed from the crafting system, i'd like to at least upgrade my stuff into viable stuff

[vestal fulcrum]

Unless it would be gated behind something that would require a significant time investment

[azure bridge]

lol or a dlc payment

i can see them releasing a weapon crafting dlc that lets you make reds

[vestal fulcrum]

No, I don’t think they would do that

[azure bridge]

charge an unreasonable amount for it too

[vestal fulcrum]

Bad vibes, no likey

[azure bridge]

i mean i don't like it either

i'm just saying i could see it happening

unchecked greed will be the death of us as a species

[vestal fulcrum]

I couldn’t. Not that it’s not possible, but more out of my “knowledge” on how they deliver the service and what their supposed philosophy is

[azure bridge]

did you ever play vermintide 2?

[vestal fulcrum]

I did. A lot of it.

I won’t tell exact hours, but it’s in thousands.

[azure bridge]

the fact that they sell classes and weapons as dlc, alongisde winds of magic which had its own crafting system for items even if isolated, is enough evidence to the idea that they aren't against the concept

[cobalt atlas]

Wind of Magic is a piece of dogshit dlc thou

[azure bridge]

i mean it is

and i wont defend it

[vestal fulcrum]

The WoM idea didn’t work out as it was designed to be. Turns out Tide games are not the best material for competitive scene of players, with maps that involve no random elements and are very boring thus

[azure bridge]

it being bad though doesn't refute that they tried it

[cobalt atlas]

I mean yea that's true

[azure bridge]

thats the only point i'm trying to make

[cobalt atlas]

I would say that WoM DLC is the worst selling DLC for VT2 to date

[vestal fulcrum]

Also WoM was tested and despite overly negative feedback during the testing period, it was released and unpatched for months, while FS was on vacation mid-summer

[cobalt atlas]

My biggest guilt, Buying Kerillian Class for extra javelin toss

Pay 2 Win

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m fine with them selling weapon and class DLCs, though, I only didn’t like their implementation (say, the DLC weapons could only be crafted and never were obtainable through random loot drops)

[azure bridge]

lol... my biggest guilt is buying all the dlc classes, and only using necromancer because the bone boys of the calcium crew are too much fun

[cobalt atlas]

All the DLC Weapon are super super strong in VT2

[azure bridge]

that is also a problem imho

i dont like the concept, it made me put down the game for years

[cobalt atlas]

Kruber's LongSword just instantly delete elites
Kerilian's Javelin have unlimited Ammo

[azure bridge]

coruscation staff

[cobalt atlas]

The DLC class are fuckin broken when realised too

[vestal fulcrum]

… I disagree that all of them are, but the vast majority of them had been designed more appropriately to the gameplay that VT2 delivered, and generally had engaging move sets than vanilla weapons

[cobalt atlas]

I mean, normal weapon are still pretty useful

[azure bridge]

for the longest time i was torn because yeah they included weapons and classes but don't expansions for other games also include those things?

[cobalt atlas]

but some of the DLC weapon are super crack

[azure bridge]

in the end though it did put me off of playing, i only recently tried it again when necromancer came out and a friend wanted to play

[cobalt atlas]

this thing

This abomination

[vestal fulcrum]

You typed “all”, hence my reply. Base game certainly has some very good weapons, but some of them aged way to heavily to be comparable to their upgrades, say, dual daggers or single sword, or dual swords to Sword and Dagger on Kerillian

[cobalt atlas]

I mean I didn't play much of the other class for VT2 except Kerillian

it was just pure 250 hours of grinding kerillian

and most of her crack weapon stuck behind paywall

[azure bridge]

most of my gameplay time was spent as sienna

[cobalt atlas]

S&D doesnt matter when you have Spear and Shield with Javelin

[vestal fulcrum]

I played each and every class roughly evenly, but most of my hours were on Kerillian and Saltzpyre

[azure bridge]

i started off with sienna, i like spellcasters its why i main psyker

give me a staff and some enemies i'll be happy

[cobalt atlas]

I didn't like how Peril work in VT 2

[azure bridge]

i agree, i prefer DT's system

now that I can compare

[cobalt atlas]

Just a general pain in the ass playing sienna in VT 2

[azure bridge]

also the lack of friendly fire in DT has made my spellcaster life easier

[cobalt atlas]

Oh Yeahhh Friendly Fire

[azure bridge]

in VT2 you have to choose your staff based on whether its viable to take out half your teammates life bars with your favorite staff or not

its why coruscation became so popular, well other than how much damage it dealt

[cobalt atlas]

Stand infront of a outcast engineer

"HP Gone"

[azure bridge]

yeah its frustrating

DT handles that aspect much better imo

[cobalt atlas]

I dont like DT for how annoying gunner/range enemy is compared to VT2

a guy that you didn't kill won't walk up to you and has been giving you pot shot in the back from 20 meter aways

[azure bridge]

well in VT2 the only real "gunner" enemy has the single worst accuracy this side of star wars storm troopers

not talking about ratling gunner btw

beastmen archers

[cobalt atlas]

BeastMan Archer suck

[azure bridge]

i don't think i've ever been hit by one

[cobalt atlas]

Ratling Gunner is take too long to crack up

I only get hit in ChaosWaste

Because I didn't buy Shit DLC

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-warm-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey’s-end-gif-10978754497646408177

[azure bridge]

oh man, i love that manga/anime

Sousou no Frieren is great

[gloomy magnet]

so so

[hot zephyr]

I am loving mark 6 knife

Done around 5 runs with it now

L1H2 is OP

The crits are chefs kiss

[azure bridge]

I also enjoy that weapon

it is quite fun

i feel like a crack addict though

[hot zephyr]

I just love the vibes when you get the misson cutscene and all the other players are holding big mean looking weapons, and I got a tiny knife

WHAT KIND OF PSYCHO BRINGS A TINY KNIFE?

Oh.... that kind....

XD

[azure bridge]

exactly

[plucky flax]

Hishock but I'm the only one killing specials. Glad I picked revolver for this one.

11 deaths

[hot zephyr]

Hadron was kind to me this morning

Need to find a bloodletter 4 for the chainsword, but otherwise we're gucci

[hot zephyr]

I mean... you killed all the trash too. Jeez

Almost have half the total kills

[plucky flax]

It's assail gaming.

[hot zephyr]

true dat

Hear a horde, press LMB a few times, no more horde

[plucky flax]

Most importantly I got most plasteels. 500+ just by myself.

[hot zephyr]

Jeez, you're a machine

[cobalt atlas]

Yea that’s probably the most surprising fact

He got 505 FUCKIN PLASTEEL

while carrying his entire ass team

[plucky flax]

565 the text was covered.

[cobalt atlas]

Jesus

I was expecting a loot bug that cover that while dying

[hot zephyr]

I wanna mail you some robaxecet, cus your back must hurt from carrying to hard

[plucky flax]

Top 1% psyker things.

Jk I got lucky.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, sometimes team comp just makes you feel OP

Assail feels like god mode if you have a crusher zealot weakening everything so shards are 1 -shotting for example

Just had that last night, was redonkadonk, was proccing the voice line for impressing the strike team constantly

[rich jolt]

Whats yalls opinions on purge staff?

[flint plover]

It's good. It's fun. Can feel really bad in high difficulties because of the prevalence of carapace packs.

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-hahahaha-simpsons-frankscorpio-gif-6244942

[rich jolt]

Fair

Gotta run carapace melee

Or head burst

[vestal fulcrum]

I used to like it a lot, but then I was struck with the Surge bug that planted itself into my brain

[vast yew]

Brain Burst is probably the best option with a Purg but it won't be enough to deal with several Crushers at once; recommend Deimos, DS4, or Dagger to deal with those

[calm lotus]

worth a damn?

[vestal fulcrum]

It feels very unimpactful visually and audibly, and while it is effective at what it's supposed to be doing, i.e., trivialising mixed hordes and suppressing ranged enemies, I prefer doing other things as Psyker to terribly care about it.

[vast yew]

if you don't have Uncanny 4 yet might be worth buying just to grab Uncanny 3, but I think it'll work alright

[rich jolt]

I use assail with my purge staff to deal with long range. Got a combat axe for single target and ofc dealimg with carapace. Always thought staff was sort of weak until i got chain secondary attack for charge speed blessing. Now i feel unstoppable

[rare storm]

Anyone having connection issues rn?

[rich jolt]

No

[rare storm]

Fuck me

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn't take it with that Finesse, but I have steep requirements re: viability of weapons I use

[rare storm]

[cobalt atlas]

Was it?

I feel fuckin invicible burning everything

[vast yew]

Caxe also good, though slower than DS4 vs. Armor it'll chew hordes better (assuming it has BM)

[cobalt atlas]

As they said, Just burn em

[vestal fulcrum]

It feels like spewing hot air

[hot zephyr]

Keep for sure, put +crit and +unyielding on the perks and laugh as you ruthlessless murder bosses

[calm lotus]

ill use it for now i think

[vestal fulcrum]

I know it's by design/choice/implementation, but I don't get a lot of joy using either the Zealot's flamer, or the Purgatus

[cobalt atlas]

I think it's more toward how graphic was setup

[rich jolt]

The thing isnt really meant for damage. Its supposed to be a cc weapon that can clear trash hordes.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, eventually eat it for uncanny when you get a better one, but it's good enough. Knives don't need much stats to be good. The difference betwene like a 53% and 80% damage knife is only a few points of damage per swing

[vast yew]

with enough crit and +Flak, it'll clear anything smaller than a Crusher

[vestal fulcrum]

Clearing trash = damage, so that doesn't make any sense

Crowd control is not a "role", you deal damage either way

[rich jolt]

Not what i mean... i mean its not gonna kill a crusher any time soon but poxwalkers and stuff get bodied

Sillygoose

[vestal fulcrum]

The same way that playing the shield on Ogryn isn't "tanking" - it still is a way of delivering damage

[vestal fulcrum]

But that's only a Crusher, you melt any other elite with it regardless

[vast yew]

It can't kill Crushers because Soulblaze has a 5% ADM vs. Carapace.
But Soulblaze has a 100% ADM vs. Flak, so Soulblaze stacks will absolutely destroy Maulers, Scab Rangers, etc.

[worn cypress]

if you let me stand there burning I’ll kill the crusher soon enough

will just take a while lmao

[rich jolt]

Okay im confused do you like purge or not

[vast yew]

He doesn't like it but he knows how it works

[vestal fulcrum]

I know what it does well and what it does bad, but I don't like using it as a weapon

[hot zephyr]

Purgatus is my go-to for when I want a brain-off run but still want to play

[vast olive]

Ello chat

[rich jolt]

Have you used warp flurry on it? The weapon is really mid without it.

[vast yew]

"Gimme a minute guys, I swear, this 18 damage might seem low, but it ticks every .75 seconds so it'll only take... uhhh actually give me two minutes. And change."

[vestal fulcrum]

Flurry is certainly a good blessing on any staff that can get it, Purge is not an exception

[vast yew]

Flurry/Nexus is pretty much the only build for Purg

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, one could say that

[vast yew]

Purg and Surge are super easy to build because they have a handful of blessings and most of them are poo lol

[vestal fulcrum]

The blessing pool is REALLY small for the Purge

There's like Flurry, Nexus, Focused channel, Run & Gun and Terrifying Barrage

[vast yew]

There's like a super tiny argument for maybe Run & Gun on Purgatus but like nah

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I've found the new Chainsword pairs really well with purgatus, the mark 13 one

it murders carapace so well

[rare storm]

Running scizo arsonist

What's there not to love

[worn cypress]

once me and another purg psyker unironically carried melee maelstrom this way when others died, just casually slowboating and burning and never in danger, so dont question it

[vast yew]

Me when I run Gaze + Hit and Run Purgatus and just hold sprint the whole match:

https://tenor.com/view/run-forest-gump-running-late-work-gif-8011415

[near radish]

"Purg and Surge", that rhymed! A little.

[vast yew]

I do not question the math sir, only your recollection of the event

[rare storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sls4Sdw5Z30

[vast yew]

There's also fun tech with the Purgatus where you put a bunch of stacks on crushers, then use a DS4 or Combat Blade to stack Uncanny

the Uncanny stacks will apply to the soulblaze ticks, making them quickly do literally 20x damage

not quite as useful with the DS4, because you'll be 3-shotting them anyways, but still

[rare storm]

oo does this work on monstrosities?

[orchid nest]

psyker chat always circles back to burning the gareths

[vast yew]

it works on everything, but I don't remember what Soulblaze ADM vs. Unyielding is

[rare storm]

Shiii sounds like a plan tho

[vast yew]

Alright looked it up and Soulblaze has 100% ADM vs. Unyielding

so you won't see the damage move very much

[rare storm]

aw

[vast yew]

I mean it's still the best dps you're gonna get vs. a boss

get them to max stacks then start poking at the weakspot

reapply a few stacks every ~10 seconds to keep that damage up

[orchid nest]

yeah. against a plague ogryn at least, and amongst the staves

[vast yew]

oh just when using a Purg in general

Gunker gets a lot higher boss DPS

and if there's a boss + other stuff Psyker is usually better off taking care of the other stuff first

outside of specific instances our monster damage leaves a bit to be desired

[orchid nest]

I just meant more that poking a weakspot always gets used in a general sense to talk about all monstrosities but the actual uptime to do it is only realistic decent dps against a plogryn

[vast yew]

ah fair

[orchid nest]

but yeah I agree with all that

[vast yew]

[severe laurel]

Is Empowered Psionics worth it to boost Smite, or should I jsut stick with Warp Siphon in general?

[rare storm]

Stick with warp stacks

EP smite is kinda underwhelming

[orchid nest]

it's alright but creeping flames is already enough horde clear realistically and it's just better to do it more often

[severe laurel]

tbh the whole Surge / Smite combo doesn't seem that effective in damnation anyway

[rare storm]

It's just a committment to the palpatine build

It CAN work but it's not great

https://tenor.com/view/seahawks-russell-wilson-unlimited-mvp-gif-18967245

wait wtf wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

There we go

[severe laurel]

Might just go back to void

[plucky flax]

Just finished a game with smite surge here.

[cobalt atlas]

How the fuck you find so much stuff to kill

[plucky flax]

I'm built different.

[cobalt atlas]

a normal auric game even I done so much damage it usually just result in a lackluster in comparison

[plucky flax]

That's how I got 1 mil kills in 1300 hours.

Apparently that's quite fast.

[cobalt atlas]

This is Purg + MK IV

[severe laurel]

mind if I ask your build man?

[plucky flax]

Build at the start. Video was recorded when surge was bugged to do low damage. It's fixed now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_mKN2vr-I

[severe laurel]

Thanks

[plucky flax]

1.5k kills in that video

Xd

[olive ember]

&dues if crubgubg&

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

*dies of cringing

[plucky flax]

It's okay only top 1% psyker can do damage with surge since it's trash staff.

[vast yew]

Using Smite to quick-charge peril for Shriek spam is a pretty great way to clear hordes

Still running Wildfire though so I'm afraid you have to go to jail

wait you don't even have In Fire Reborn on that build

[olive ember]

oh

i was wondering why this game I joined was so dogshit

surge staff psyker

explains why

[vast yew]

Surge is fine

[plucky flax]

What's that?

[olive ember]

but no i joined a game where everyone was on 2/3 hp worth of corruption and one guy dead

[vestal fulcrum]

Illisi on that build is certainly a choice (not one that I would make, but it’s serviceable)

[vast yew]

10% chance to gain a Warp Charge when something dies while affected by Soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Oh no that's really bad.

The 4% one is so much better.

[vestal fulcrum]

By the way, where’s that force staff model from?

[vast yew]

when you're spamming Shriek it'll give charges more consistently than the 4% from team kills

[olive ember]

ehh

[plucky flax]

Weapon customisation mod.

[olive ember]

how much fire are you spamming

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah, so unreleased yet, I see

[plucky flax]

All the time but from all my tests the 4% just way more consistent.

[vestal fulcrum]

I want the funny eye staff

[plucky flax]

Whether i'm using sword to clear horde or just running around.

[olive ember]

yeah no the psykers are

less than good

like unironically

[vast yew]

[olive ember]

time to watch the epic surge smite psyker clutch

[plucky flax]

I'd do it if that was me.

[olive ember]

oh hey he clutched

i think?

[summer prairie]

if there's another psyker in the team with the 4% one it's much better

[olive ember]

idk i was alt tabbed

[vast yew]

Never, ever check the blessings on other Psyker's Trauma staves in lobbies
It'll give you eye twitches

[vast yew]

unless you're both on soulblaze builds, because IFR will trigger off the other psyker's soulblaze

[urban sandal]

surge and terrifying barrage huh

[summer prairie]

but 4% one gives every psyker in the team the wc when it triggers for one

[plucky flax]

This is accurate.

So many sustained fire.

[vast yew]

Sustained Fire/Surge Trauma with Infested damage and Sprint Efficiency, this will go well

[severe laurel]

@plucky flax whats the UI mod you use? Its very nice