psyker-class

[severe folio]

what about teapot and chocoB

[kindred ivy]

shirek is pretty nice

shrek

[vast yew]

[kindred ivy]

i love shrek

[vast yew]

chocoB is absolutely cracked at the game, his builds (obviously) work but sometimes there's a weird talent or two

teapot I do not know

[potent echo]

Lol chocoB

[chrome patrol]

chocoB is nice yea but i dont think he does tutorials or ecplanation videos

[potent echo]

His builds are so whack but that's because he's playing a different game

[kindred ivy]

how do u value a player's worth, if for example 2 players can clear consistnetly Auric Maestroms?

[potent echo]

ft. yongxian the floor hugger

Player's.... Worth?

[severe folio]

oh

[kindred ivy]

1 player beeing better than another

[vast yew]

how well they do when shit hits the fan

anyone can play well when everything is going well

[obsidian nimbus]

Do the staffs do anything different per chance?

[potent echo]

Yea I guess who good they do when its time to clutch

[kindred ivy]

huh

[potent echo]

Patience is the most important virtue

[kindred ivy]

i dont find myself in many clutch scenarios

[vast yew]

voidstrike = kamehameha
trauma = big AoE on floor
surge = Smite, but only hits 1-2 guys and does more damage
purgatus = flamethrower

[potent echo]

You see chocoB or other vt2 vets are very ready to retreat all the way to a few rooms back

[obsidian nimbus]

flamethrower sounds nice

[potent echo]

That's because you not playing with yongxian

[vast yew]

yeah ChocoB is one of those nutters who does Cataclysm True Solo in Vermintide 2

[kindred ivy]

tbh smite kinda prevents many clutch scenarios due to stun.

[vast yew]

he's really darn good at playing solo

[kindred ivy]

i stopped playing VT all toguether after DT

cause VT too slow

in comparison now

fun game

[vast yew]

and a lot of his Darktide videos have a few minutes of him playing an Auric Damnation by himself

[kindred ivy]

but couldnt get into it

i dont see the point of playing DT by yoursel

[vast yew]

to "show off the build"

[obsidian nimbus]

man i loved that Mode in VT where you' do these raid runs; not the missions

[kindred ivy]

not even bots.

[obsidian nimbus]

they were in this basement

[kindred ivy]

chaos wastes

i also loved it

[obsidian nimbus]

yeaaaa

[vast yew]

chaos wastes

hopefully they bring something similar to Darktide at some point

my bet would be a Space Hulk; similar "ever-changing" landscape

[kindred ivy]

its a team game. i dont think playing solo showcases much

[vast yew]

also speaking of VT2, Versus is actually coming

[kindred ivy]

ofc yeah some fucking nuthards will be able to play solo

nuheads*

[obsidian nimbus]

A Chaos waste for DT Would be fun

[vast yew]

solo isn't quite as viable in DT due to toughness being worse than temp hp

[kindred ivy]

i play duo MOST of the time

[vast yew]

but when you gotta clutch, you gotta clutch

or if a bomber or something splits you off from the team for a bit

[obsidian nimbus]

its the bots

in VT they're cracked

[vast yew]

sorry; meant true solos

no bots

[kindred ivy]

well yeah i can also fend for myself.

but i really really find hard to find myself in shitty situations

i play VERY close to my duo/team

[vast yew]

if your team is playing well you won't find them very often

but sometimes mr. silent poxburster jumps through a door and downs 2 of you

and now it's clutch time

[kindred ivy]

i dont run this game solo most of the time, even then ido i just follow a player i know isnt stupid

[kindred ivy]

i am constanty smiting you have no idea

my misisons last 30 minutes on average

[vast yew]

Smite doesn't save you when the director does this: https://redd.it/17m77aj

[kindred ivy]

lemme check

video not playing

[vast yew]

it's a link

the "video" is the reddit thumbnail

[kindred ivy]

i know

i was on reddit for a solid minute

took 5 refreshes to go

[vast yew]

yeah that sounds like reddit video player

it's a real winner

[kindred ivy]

also, yeah ig in that situation if am not already smiting it will happen

i love that smite can instakill those things

[vast yew]

tis very nice

no need to go push it and risk the trigger-happy vet shooting it mid-push

just Smite it (or Surge staff it) and ka-boom

[chrome patrol]

oh also claysthetics is also not bad

[severe folio]

i see

thanks

[chrome patrol]

np

[kindred ivy]

ive tried watching DT content once, it screamed soy

[vast yew]

clay has... some weird things sometimes

[chrome patrol]

ok?

[vast yew]

namely he got a bit memed on at one point for having a +crit chance +crit damage heavy sword

[zinc tartan]

[vast yew]

ayo not bad there sibling

[chrome patrol]

in the end everyone can play what they like if people dont hold me back and play properly i dont care which weapons they use

[vast yew]

of course
just if you're going to be giving advice to newbies, people judge that advice with a harsher eye

[stuck shoal]

beautiful

[zinc tartan]

I need to roll crit on it. You think I should drop ranged damage?

[vast yew]

think you should Terrifying -> Nexus and the Ranged Damage -> Flak

[zinc tartan]

I was thinking flak or maniac

[plucky flax]

[vast yew]

Flak helps burn all the scabs including Maulers

oh no he woke up

[zinc tartan]

Ahh

It is nice to burn maulers...

hahaha

[vast yew]

Flak is kinda mandatory, Maniacs and Crit chance are debatable for which one to run 2nd

[zinc tartan]

Ahh gotcha

[vast yew]

Maniacs helps vs. Dreg Ragers mainly, crit chance helps vs. everything but in some ways it just makes you cap stacks slightly faster

both work imo

[plucky flax]

Unyielding too though.

[zinc tartan]

This is what i've been running

I really wanted to get that cloud radius up though.

[vast yew]

can run Unyielding on Melee weapon and swap over after hitting 15 stacks

[vast yew]

ooo tough choice there

[plucky flax]

That's too much micro for me.

[vast yew]

it's not micro you just light the boss on fire then pull out your DS4 to poke it

[plucky flax]

My ds4 has maniac carapace

[vast yew]

that's for twins right

[zinc tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-ron-burgundy-gif-13062921

[plucky flax]

Normal too. I have 2 ds4 both with maniac carapace. 1 with shred 1 with rampage depend on build

[vast yew]

I think DS4 3-shots Crushers even without Carapace, as long as you have Uncanny stacked

does it 3-shot without Uncanny fully stacked with Carapace?

[plucky flax]

Idk but realistically in a game crushers would be damaged by the team. So extra damage to it bring them down even faster.

[vast yew]

fair enough

[kindred ivy]

been thinking of possibly putting carapace on my revolver instead of flak just for that

like carapace + elite dmg or something

[vast yew]

it's a Mk2 revolver, right?

[kindred ivy]

the old one

[vast yew]

I think you can get MK2's to be crusher 2-shots

needs a pretty cracked roll though

[zinc tartan]

I've been running Purg/DS4 with these talents and have been LOVING it.

[plucky flax]

Against crusher with revolver ads for a bit for surgical stack before shooting.

[kindred ivy]

prolly mised by a tad

on the penetration

its still a cracked revolver

but remember i will be smiting, the last few damages can come from the CC

[vast yew]

yeah unless you're trying to 2-shot crushers you don't need a revolver to be super cracked

[kindred ivy]

which is why i dont mind barelly missing some 2 shots

since thats basically smite kills anyway

[zinc tartan]

It solved my crusher/mauler problems, but its hard to use it properly. Have to get over 80 peril before popping bubble and going to brain bursting town.

[kindred ivy]

and then i can say here i killed loads of elites with smite

[zinc tartan]

I got the build from RealAsianRobot. He uses a chainsword instead of a DS4 to oneshot mutants without maniacs.

I just don't have the time to farm it up and my DS4 feels so nice.

[vast yew]

Chainswords are fun

the DS4 is cracked AF tho

[zinc tartan]

I am addicted to it

[olive ember]

Ah realasianrobot builds

he's one of the few youtubers whose builds aren't bad

[zinc tartan]

He also tied it with a full run. Gave me a good understanding of how its played

[kindred ivy]

a few days ago i said i was considering using a chainsword

instead of my DS4

aparently i am craze, but when youtube soy man says it, its good

[untold widget]

hmm, pretty sure this melk gun is salvagable

[kindred ivy]

🤷‍♂️

[vast yew]

"soy man" ?

[zinc tartan]

https://youtu.be/KnoUKm5B0Jg?t=492

[proven beacon]

Doesn't look too shabby

[zinc tartan]

That is a timestamp showing how it works without maniacs.

[kindred ivy]

likelly the bleed and the revved shit will met trough before anything else

[olive ember]

ah yeah it requires special rev which is the difference between it and ds4 able to kill just by spamming heavies

csword is still more than decent tho

[kindred ivy]

🤔 the problem with chainsword is u get stuck on the animatoin

[olive ember]

csword should have more horde clear than both ds4 or deimos tho

[kindred ivy]

and i use melee for mobility

[olive ember]

its not as bad now that you can dodge out of the animation actually

[zinc tartan]

Oh TOTALLY I hate that animation

The DS4 feels so smooth.

[kindred ivy]

how many odges does a csword have?

[zinc tartan]

its hard to give up even if the csword is better with the build

[untold widget]

Wish me luck, siblings.

[olive ember]

the video says its 5 dodges

[untold widget]

I don't have any trauma on my alt psyker yet

[kindred ivy]

5 dodges aint bad

[bitter pelican]

Try this with a secondary that gets access to brittleness/rending talents it’ll chub you up.

[olive ember]

tho ofc 5 dodges also depends on the dodge distance

[kindred ivy]

how is the block cost on those

[zinc tartan]

Dude. I LOVE my Trauma build sooooo much. Its worth it.

[olive ember]

5 dodges on the illisi isn't the same as 5 dodges from a knife

[bitter pelican]

Rending soulblaze my archnemesis

[untold widget]

x.x Hardon betrayed me

[bitter pelican]

Nah that’s not bricked

[untold widget]

i know

[olive ember]

yeah looking at his build its a decent starter but there are definitely some improvements that could be made and some questionable choices

[olive ember]

welp looks like thats an LMB staff

surge and nexus kekw

[untold widget]

just wanted a nat rank 4 blazing spirit so I could play damage perk roulette

[kindred ivy]

nini siblings i go smite on my dream (real)

[olive ember]

there is no rank 4 blazing spirit

blazing spirit on staffs only go up to 3

[zinc tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pew-futurama-phillip-j-fry-pew-pew-pew-billy-west-gif-5364124

[untold widget]

really? I could have sworn I've seen one posted

[plucky flax]

Agentchaos has really trash builds don't recommend.

[vast yew]

nah only up to 3 on staves

[olive ember]

you recommend surge staff

[vast yew]

don't you dare talk shit about AgentChaos

[olive ember]

so I agree

[plucky flax]

[bitter pelican]

Trauma actually benefits from the 5% crit chance

[untold widget]

so what the hell else T4 blessings even exist?

[plucky flax]

You might like my new purgatus video.

[bitter pelican]

Cause the psyker base 7.5%

[plucky flax]

[untold widget]

flurry, nexus, surge, probably terrify

[bitter pelican]

Oh yeah I think I stole your laspistol build

[untold widget]

but theres 7

for trauma at least

[bitter pelican]

Never even thought of using empowered assails I’m so disrupt destiny pilled.

[vast yew]

trauma also has Rending Shockwave, Sustained Fire, and Transfer Peril

those last 2 are real winners

[plucky flax]

Ep assail does so much more than dd for me.

[untold widget]

sustained fire... on a staff?

[plucky flax]

More spam more horde clear.

[untold widget]

how does that even wrok

[vast yew]

it only works on left clicks

[bitter pelican]

Rending cockwave and blazing spirit definitely go OD

[vast yew]

and it takes... a few seconds to "reset" the salvo

it's real bad

[robust relic]

hadron did not love me 😦

[vast yew]

Rending WHAT

[untold widget]

I'm shooketh

[bitter pelican]

Dawg I got names for names you ain’t even named yet.

[plucky flax]

You can change both blessings to make it workable.

[vast yew]

Lacerate -> Uncanny makes it pretty workable already, just unsure if changing a perk or Riposte is the better call

that's a terrible fate for an 80/80/80/80 though

[untold widget]

so the question for this staff is, do I replace carapace damage or unarmored damage?

with flak

[bitter pelican]

Riposte on the duelling sword is pretty mega honestly.

I like barely notice it on the knife.

[vast yew]

if you're going blazing... uhhhh I guess unarmored?

[bitter pelican]

Because I’m going birmingham mode.

[zinc tartan]

This is the Trauma build I've been running. It feels really satisfying to play.

[bitter pelican]

Naw unarmored is nice actuslly.

[untold widget]

I was thinking carapce because all I do with crushers is knock them down for stabbing anyways

[vast yew]

IMO Warp Siphon + Shriek is real good on Blazing Trauma

[subtle swift]

hello

[plucky flax]

Ep bb

[vast yew]

EP BB is good (I wouldn't run it on Trauma)

[bitter pelican]

Yeah, the only thing is you’re not gonna be hitting crushers for shit unless you got that rending

[zinc tartan]

It's pretty much mandatory for me. As soon as I drop it, I blow myself up.

[vast yew]

It's more of a Puratus thing

[vast yew]

yeah but you're running EP + Dome

[untold widget]

which I do?

[bitter pelican]

Oh ok ok

[untold widget]

DS4 uncanny

[bitter pelican]

Thought you had uh

Ooooh valid

[vast yew]

the right-click still deals decent damage to Crushers

[bitter pelican]

Do those transfer to trauma shots too?

[vast yew]

the burning won't

but eh

[vast yew]

it'll transfer to the soulblaze stacks

old Zealot Flamer trick

[untold widget]

I don't need it to do damage, just knock them down so I can stab them in the head twice

[bitter pelican]

Ye that’s what I’m on

[zinc tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-not-smart-man-forrest-gump-tom-hanks-gif-4496013

[plucky flax]

Why people making blaze trauma build is so bad. Void so much better pls buff blaze trauma

[zinc tartan]

Aww shit wrong screenshot! hahhaha

[untold widget]

lol

[zinc tartan]

Theres my trauma build.

[untold widget]

wish I could have more than 5 builds

[bitter pelican]

You can

[untold widget]

I can't

[zinc tartan]

in all its shriek ass saving glory

[plucky flax]

I can but I cheat

With mods

[vast yew]

okay that seems saner, though IMO you can drop Wildfire for Kinetic Deflection; Wildfire is kinda stinky
Also Empathic Evasion is a bit weird on Trauma since it fires relatively slow

inb4 Chaos says wildfire good

[untold widget]

guys

[plucky flax]

#stopwildfirehate

[bitter pelican]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[untold widget]

1 stack of soulfire on 4 mobs

is tops dps

[bitter pelican]

One of us one of us one of us

[untold widget]

I don't use mods

[plucky flax]

Wildfire carried me through a twins hm.

Thank you based wildfire.

[vast yew]

that was on sedition though

[ionic sorrel]

What happens to the characters if you don't load the mod?

[plucky flax]

That's tru

[bitter pelican]

No idea

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

(I think they just don't show up)

[bitter pelican]

I only have 6

[zinc tartan]

You dont feel Empathic as often as some, but its often enough to be noticable. I tried without and it hurt.

[untold widget]

empathic on a non purg/columnus build is only noticeable on melee

[zinc tartan]

You can keep up with the 1 second once flurry gets going too

[bitter pelican]

I exclusively use it for the loadout

[vast yew]

Empathic is good for standing in the open and dodging gunner shots with constant crits
If you can't trigger empathic constantly, you don't want to gamble that dice roll

[untold widget]

thats great for you, I don't use mods. I won't use mods. on principle

[vast yew]

because if it comes up tails you eat gunner shots

[bitter pelican]

No sorry was talking to the other guy

[plucky flax]

Wildfire made me do more damage than the rest of the team combined. Thank you wildfire

[vast yew]

welp guess I'm logging back in before I go to sleep

[plucky flax]

Wow I casted the spell once and stuff burn forever. Wildfire 🔥
https://youtu.be/KVUUzH_CZiY

[zinc tartan]

There are a lot of quality of life mods that are totally worth having. I have one that lets me see which blessings I don't have yet and what they do. I honostly dont know why they don't have that in the game by default.

I also have a mod that lets me bind more than 1 key to an action. Again, something that should be default.

[bitter pelican]

They said they were gonna add it

And then it didn't work so they said fuggit

[hollow pine]

what is the best stats for the new knife in darktide

[bitter pelican]

Uh you can dump mobility

It's a knoife you are speedy

[vast yew]

everything but mobility, if you're looking for a perfect knife (and you still want some so you get max dodges)

if you're just looking for decent then Uncanny Strike matters more than any stats

[bitter pelican]

Yert was just boutta say

Makes sure you hit the 5 dodge mobility bp

I think that's pre low like 40-50 tho

[hollow pine]

what are the best perks

[bitter pelican]

Whatever you like honestly

[untold widget]

I haven't used a 3rd party alteration to a game since I lost a progression raiding account to a mod for WoW in 2007

[bitter pelican]

Crch/crdmg, flak/maniac, flak/carapace

Lotta options

Dealers choice its a knife

[untold widget]

I'm not gonna start now

[bitter pelican]

Obese fish is super laissez-faire about modding. As long as you aren't using something that is obviously cheating (aimbot, speed hack, etc) or ruining someone's game its kosher. Also they have serverside authentication and easy anticheat so like doubt you'd be able to boot yer game even if you did have a malicious mod.

If getting banned is a concern that is

[untold widget]

I didn't get banned by blizzard, my account got stolen after a mod update came out.

[bitter pelican]

Ah

[untold widget]

the mod was taken down hours later for that exact reason, but the damage was done

[bitter pelican]

Yeah I know the guys who do banning at blizzard have a massive God complex

WE ALONE CONTROL THE FLOW OF BOTS

[untold widget]

but since I can't verify that the source code of a mod is legit, and I can't ever trust anyone else to do it for me, then mods have to go

way it's gotta be

[static needle]

How does this work? when does it reach 10%?

does it give u that even at 0%?

[untold widget]

no idea

but it gets me to shriek

so I don't really care

[bitter pelican]

Starts at 0

[static needle]

nice

[bitter pelican]

Stacks multiplicatively with other toughness stuff

But I think its 20, 40, 50, and 60 peril you get a nodge up in dr

Then eventually one hunnid for 33%

[next zephyr]

Just went to the barber and he absolutely fucked my shit up!!!! This is the second time he fucked it up. I decided last time to give him another chance but this time I could not contain how fucking pissed off I was. I got home took a shower and said fuck it I’m going back he has to know he is a piece of shit human. He pushed my hairline so fucking back and it’s uneven as fuck I’m wearing a hat for a fucking year. I took so long to grow it out. I said don’t thin it out. He thins it out. I said don’t cut the top too much. He made my hair short as fuck. I had been growing my hair to get this specific haircut and was excited and he aboaukrty fucked my hair up I have broken shit in my house and I’m still so fucking pissed.

[cosmic sigil]

I thought you were softer. By 7 inches.

[potent echo]

Is that a copypasta

[subtle swift]

made this DS4 a crit one since it has alot of sevens. felt like it was fate :P

[frozen osprey]

i went to our barber and he took my fucking dick. the whole thing.

[gloomy magnet]

-dont go to barber
-no truama

[next zephyr]

it loosk so bad

[frozen osprey]

holy shit

he fucked up your cut my guy

[next zephyr]

the hair on top was 3 inches easily

i said dont cut it too short

he cuts it down to less than one inchj

[plucky flax]

Man is malding

[untold widget]

he'd probably look good shaved

fresh start is what I did once

now my hair is around 10 inches

[zinc tartan]

Damn! That is one long grudge! Well to each their own!

[next zephyr]

im charging my electric razor rn

im starting with a 3mm buzzcut

[proven beacon]

Lmao, chaos spawn threw 3 of us through the roof

Just as we managed to find all 3 scrips XD

[olive ember]

rip

[static needle]

What do i run on this?

[olive ember]

a blazing spirit void

wait no

[brave fiber]

most people like taking either nexus + flurry with flak and maniac, or nexus + surge with crit chance and flak/carapace

depends what you want out of the staff

[bitter pelican]

Surge doesn't work on the secondary trauma hits

[visual osprey]

I think the best question to ask is what your playstyle is

[brave fiber]

wait

its trauma

fuck

mb

[bitter pelican]

But like that's pretty much a perfect roll

[static needle]

i went with crit chance

[quasi grotto]

Blaze trauma is blazing spirit + Nexus, then crit chance and flak/maniac I think

[bitter pelican]

Cr/ch is my pick too

[brave fiber]

yeah ignore me, sorry lmao

[visual osprey]

you can always swap it out later if that doesn't work for you

[static needle]

y ik

[visual osprey]

I run gun psyker because the staves are too funky for my playstyle

[brave fiber]

im the opposite, the only gun i can stand using in this game is the old revolver

[visual osprey]

Zarona stub revolver is god tier for psyker

I have a peril management build that uses an illissi and a stub revolver with assail/venting shriek and it's auric damnation viable

[brave fiber]

it feels heretical to use guns on psyker though imo

[visual osprey]

I use one force weapon at a time with no exceptions

I need one weapon in each of my builds that doesn't have any bearing on peril

[brave fiber]

well the force weapons are pretty good even without their specials

*force melees

[visual osprey]

I use an illisi with unstable power and slaughterer with warp charges

Also got the blue perk that increases base damage by 20% based on peril so I can get like 60% increased damage on a force sword at max peril and 3 kills with a warp-charged attack instantly regenerates all of my toughness

oneshots unarmored ragers on heresy, takes them down to like 10% hp on damnation

[brisk lance]

I am not gonna lie to you guys. I made a janky Gun Psyker build and got myself a decent Columnus, and now I can stand to play this class.

I don't like this, but it's whatever.

[visual osprey]

columnus mark 5 is what I run on veteran

weakspot build with dumdum and deathspitter absolutely shreds, maulers on damnation stand no chance

psyker is really really fun with a zarona stub revolver though, just quickdraw, snap to enemy head and play point and click adventure

[glossy ember]

oh shoot lads, i get to finally try out trauma staff

[olive ember]

transfer peril is yikes but

everything else is

okay

[glossy ember]

flak and nexus tho

[olive ember]

yea

tho only t3 nexus but its like a 2% crit difference

[glossy ember]

yeah w/e

beggars cant be choosers

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma bad

[olive ember]

I've just been running orthus damnation with a funny malice border and malice insignia

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

i feel like my drip and build gives it away tho

[plucky flax]

I joined a random lfg here yesterday to help them do hm.

[olive ember]

need to run a loner knife zealot

really sell that malice player

[plucky flax]

They asked me what I play I said psyker and they were like "Oh you have ogryn?"

[olive ember]

lmaooo

[potent echo]

You need to run the old krieg cosmetics for maximum cringe

[olive ember]

I got lucky yesterday as well tbh

had two runs back to back where I got randos who seemed decent

and stuck it out with em and got hard clears for both

[plucky flax]

Mfw I'm helping people do hm and get flamed for my class.

[olive ember]

one took like 5 ish runs the other literally did it in 2

was genuinely impressed considering no comms

[potent echo]

Why is ogryn even considered good for this mission

[olive ember]

stupid toughness regen, lots of crowd control, gun lugger does damage to shield

[plucky flax]

Tank shield or gun lugger

[potent echo]

Other than the fact that it's just broken

Easiest to play class in the game

[olive ember]

psyker is technically the weakest cuz enemies spawn everywhere

[glossy ember]

can't i go uh

[glossy ember]

that'd be blaze trauma right

not sure i can go regular trauma

will check guide

oh i don't even have any blessings for it saved anyway

[golden tartan]

Small area and a lot of ogryn's natural prey

[olive ember]

the two builds I think are either CC psyker for crusher spam or ds4 psyker for boss damage

[potent echo]

Deimos + purg

Settled

[golden tartan]

You arent getting shot, or drowned in fire, and ogryns destroy ragers/maulers/crushers

On top of that oggy has good shield damage, and ammo economy is a non issue

Basically oggy good vs large clumps of melee enemies in tight space

[bleak tulip]

shield is goated for the mission once you figure out how the spawns work

ogryn just stands near the door kiting the shit out of everything

[potent echo]

I feel like a purg or trauma psyker can fill all those roles

And the main reason is you don't die in 1 overhead

[golden tartan]

More room for error thou

[potent echo]

Yea

[golden tartan]

Psyker works best when they can keep some distance

Oggy works best in the midst

And this mission is very much in the midst

[potent echo]

That's arbitrary

[golden tartan]

You have two allies focusing on dpsing the boss

So like

[bleak tulip]

I mean the mission and how you can beat it is also entirely unrelated to normal missions, I did it with 1 ogryn shield and three zealots, two flamers one revolver

and all axes

[golden tartan]

Its really hard for the remaining guy to control space for you

[bleak tulip]

just run at rodin

[potent echo]

Purg/trauma can handle 30 ragers easily

[golden tartan]

Aye so can ogryn

[potent echo]

Doubt, unless rumbler

[golden tartan]

They use melee

It perma staggets

[potent echo]

Mainly shield

Probably only shield

I don't see any other ogryn melee that can stagger 30 ragers

Unless Paul

[golden tartan]

GG?

Bully club?

Ogryn's main thing is they have stagger for days

Even BB i think can chain stagger ragers

[olive ember]

gun lugger ogryn with a stubber can melt the shield apparently

and the fire ticks kills most things besides crushers

and then theres the amazing CC and their melee has + ogryn's general tankiness

[untold niche]

how much of that fire was meaningufl tho :v

[untold niche]

no ogryn main thing is that they have everything except for speed :p

[potent echo]

I just feel like it's just the tankiness that make people think it's needed, you can eat like 3 overheads and be fine

[untold niche]

not only that he has insane damage :v

or insane CC

[potent echo]

Ogryn is just a stupid OP class

[untold niche]

all while being free, and safe.

i actually would like him to stay OP

[potent echo]

And all that comes with a really low skill floor

[untold niche]

i found learning the game easier as ogryn

[olive ember]

ogryn is just new vet really

lots of toughness DR

their gun lugger ability is just old vet ult

funny instant reload gun and delete everything

[untold niche]

on ogryn all i needed to care about was kill priority and dodges initially, then i got forced to learn how even a plank of cover is good

only on zealot i had to worry about getting hit and back then, hordes of ragers. and also crushers.

ogryn is good training wheels
personally if he was to be nerfed i would say remove his damage but keep his CC and tankyness

[potent echo]

Imagine that make everything as slow as Paul

[brisk lance]

This is the build I am currently using with my Columnus/Illisi loadout. It works pretty well, but I don't really have a way to handle Crushers, BB isn't effective enough at the job and I am not convinced that going with EP would get me out of a jam when I am faced with a gang of them, but DD seems to synergize very well with SG, at least... I think it does. Anyone have any suggestions I could do to change to perhaps eek out some extra power? I am also not giving up Kinetic Flayer, it's too much fun, lmao.

[brisk lance]

So old Ogryn, no thanks.

[potent echo]

Old ogryn shield

[untold niche]

why not run ds4

ds4 2 pokes crushers iirc

[potent echo]

You don't use BB to kill crushers unless they are really far away

[brisk lance]

I have no idea what DS4 is.

[potent echo]

Yea you use a melee

[untold niche]

dueling sword mk 4

[brisk lance]

Oh that.

Because I don't have one, lol

[potent echo]

Duellingsword or forcesword

[untold niche]

then get one

[potent echo]

Uncanny blessing

[brisk lance]

Well, here is the question.

How does that hold up to the Illisi when it comes to horde clear?

[untold niche]

illisi is literal best for horde clear.
but you seem to want to keep BB

you can't have everything.

[potent echo]

Not good, that's why you bring assail instead

[brisk lance]

Yeah, because I think Assail is bad.

[potent echo]

Or smite and vent

[brisk lance]

I'd rather shoot things with my gun and then let God sort them out with my melee.

[potent echo]

Well then you have to deal with the fact you can't kill carapace

[brisk lance]

Shit.

[potent echo]

Simple as

[untold niche]

^

i mean technically you can, but you can't have everything with preferences

[potent echo]

You can like slowly with illisi activation

Or BR

As long as you time your dodges its fine enough

[untold niche]

gui, how does deimos poke fair with cara?

i know it one shots mutie

[potent echo]

Deletes

[untold niche]

but what about cara?

[potent echo]

CCs crusher

They get flung away

[orchid nest]

the H2 throws crushers onto the ground

[potent echo]

Lol probably bugged

[untold niche]

then i guess you could run deimos @brisk lance

the horde clear isn't as bad as ds4 but still serviceable

[potent echo]

With uncanny, light activation into light heavy kills a crusher

[shy prairie]

ds4 can do some devilish clear

it just hungers for rampage

[potent echo]

Eventually you have to learn how to deal with hordes that isn't just spamming lmb

[untold niche]

send takedown vid please
im only average skilled so i need proof/a tutorial

[orchid nest]

you can also push/push attack skip to H2 if you are closing distance to stagger them before you get there

[shy prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1185876678946340894/ragerreaction.gif?ex=659134b8&is=657ebfb8&hm=3d0846e2eac37dbe4a9095f3ffaac6e2f8733b1812a5133ad30d0d9fa3965f74&

[brisk lance]

This is my Deimos, it takes three or so special H1's to put down a Crusher, which is quite a lot of time, tbh.

[potent echo]

You use H2

[untold niche]

someone literally sent a message detailing how to take down a crusher with deimos.

[potent echo]

Special for niche cases

Like a light special to the head gives 4 uncanny stacks

[brisk lance]

Yeah, I wasn't reading. No offense, I was in the Psyk just double checking.

[potent echo]

It's a good thing to start things off, but afterwards you start looping H2

[untold niche]

@shy prairie send takedown vid or i send my beloved to "take care" of you >:v

[shy prairie]

can't say for certain if they offered it more cleave in a recent patch, however it used to struggle with its lights cleave limits so you'd have to push attack for rampage to proc

I don't have any videos of it, plus I am on my phone at 330am

[untold niche]

i see, sorry, its afternoon for me rn

go 2 sleep

continue farming plasteel tmr

[potent echo]

It has 50% increased cleave I think

3 to 4.5

[untold niche]

i hate you guys
Now i need to farm for ds4 and its blessings

[potent echo]

So you can hit like.. 9 groaners per swing

Uh its

Not good

[untold niche]

i still haven't get my deflector 4 on my illisi
after that i will prob roll for a better voidstrike staff

[potent echo]

For hordeclear, it's mainly viable because DD

And you weave in assails

[plucky flax]

All of it.

[potent echo]

But as a pure lmb stick you won't get very far

[untold niche]

must weave in assail? goddam i can't be bothered xD

i tried assail and it doesnt feel good

having to manage its ammo count to weave it in also doesn't feel good

[potent echo]

Max warp rider for more damage, because you definitely need it

Mainly you keep your peril at 100%

[untold niche]

stahp lying i dun believe u
its just +1 fire
and those are trash mobs that you 2hit anyway

[potent echo]

That's the whole point for weaving it

Once you peril start dropping swap and throw one and swap back

[untold niche]

i understand.
Im just saying the act of having to manage it doesn't feel good

[potent echo]

Needs some practice

It's fun and effective, but the skill floor is definitely there

Or you can play illisi and spam lmb brrrrr

[untold niche]

it feels as though assail takes forever to recharge even with the augment

thtas why i don't like it alot as well

[potent echo]

Why recharge?

You only throwing one every 3-4 seconds

[untold niche]

and also some bias with assail players ruining my 3 and below games

fucker kill all the patrol but can't help with shit in horde

[potent echo]

Use rmb throw to build peril faster

[untold niche]

with assail horde clear you use lmb or rmb?

[potent echo]

I just build peril then switch to melee

Pygex was saying throw 6-7 then last one rmb

Then you reach 100% peril

Then you do your weaving

[untold niche]

is the assail the main form of the horde clear?
or just to build you up to 100 so you can horde clear with ds4

[potent echo]

Also malefic momentum, you can 25%? extra assail damage

[untold niche]

whats the concept

[potent echo]

It's both

Warp rider and true aim and malefic momentum

[brisk lance]

So the push attack on the DS4 is supposed to two-tap Crushers?

[potent echo]

Your melee also builds true aim stacks, so you throw one crit assail once every 3 seconds kinda

[potent echo]

What no?

[untold niche]

but i sort of don't get it, if i have time to cast assail wouldn't i have time to shoot my void anyway?

[spice veldt]

i usually just spam DS lights and weave in assail when it regens

[spice veldt]

no the ds push-attack is depressing

[plucky flax]

You just don't get it.

[potent echo]

Because you want malefic momentum stacks

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[potent echo]

Melee kills to keep it at 5 stacks, then you can void/assail etc

[brisk lance]

Lemme guess, build Shred to 5 stacks and then lean into Crit Chance on the tree then in order to try and force weakspot crits on the heavies?

[untold niche]

remember our last session, on the topic of your obsession with fire due to your god rolled trauma staff?
mr agent, you need to come to terms with reality

[spice veldt]

the DS push-attack has a neat property where it maintains full weakspot/crit multipliers for the first three targets hit, and it is the only weapon with a normal attack that does this (as far as I know)
the downside is that the push-attack has the same damage distribution as the lights

[potent echo]

No you just run uncanny

And heavy poke heads

[plucky flax]

[paper lily]

Fwiw assail cast point is like 100ms or less it's very fast to lmb

[untold niche]

whats MM

[potent echo]

That's like, budget brumo

[potent echo]

Talent beside mind in motion

[spice veldt]

~0.2 seconds for the first shard to be thrown and ~0.3s for the second shard (between clicking and the shard coming out)

[untold niche]

plos tell me what it do

[spice veldt]

+warp damage on non-warp kill

[paper lily]

Yes but it can be 2g cancelled

[spice veldt]

QQ?

[paper lily]

It will also send a shard out if you cancel early as long as you don't super spam it

[untold niche]

ah thanks
but why do you need more damage on assail for trash horde clear?

[paper lily]

Can't remember if QQ works on blitz

I press two keys for less delay

[spice veldt]

yeah i usually do Q -> X since i rebound my blitz to X

though it's not something i do in practice

[paper lily]

It makes assail incredibly fast

[spice veldt]

since i'm too lazy to do it

[untold niche]

and void is warp damage anyway @potent echo

[paper lily]

Technically I have a wooting keyboard and can bind both key down and key up

[spice veldt]

well in an ideal case you cut it down from ~0.5s to ~0.4s per 2 shards thrown which is significant but it's not worth the APM to me for my low brain activity playstyle

[paper lily]

Ideal assail cast is much lower

[untold niche]

mr arco can you answer this one plos

[spice veldt]

maybe hitting the one-shot bp on poxwalkers i suppose with a weakspot

[paper lily]

Assail doesn't one shot certain trash

[brisk lance]

Here is what I just kicked together to try against Crushers. The pen could definitely be better, but it isn't keeping me from hitting any breakpoints that I can see, not even close. I wish it were because then I could see what you guys are seeing.

[paper lily]

Groaners who cares

[spice veldt]

since assail has 75% adm against infested

[paper lily]

Or like those dudes with hats

[untold niche]

like tin head?
and im assuming poxwalkers is the "stronger" zombies

[spice veldt]

yea the 375 hp ones

slightly larger and less purple-y than groaners

[paper lily]

They give you corruption and have goofy horns

[untold niche]

with DD stacks, also can't one hit?

just asking, understand thats not the point

[paper lily]

You cant one hit a lot of stuff, assail hitting head just feels random

[bleak tulip]

are they 375 now?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[bleak tulip]

damn tyr didnt update the breed imgur list then 😔

[spice veldt]

a ~31% damage boost is needed for assail to one-shot poxwalkers with a headshot if my numbers are right

yeah that gallery is like from january or march

[bleak tulip]

yeah but I think you can update it without it updating the date

I wanna say I sporadically checked a breed and it had the updated health values?

in like patch 14 or so

[untold niche]

is there like a proper tutorial?
Shoot 6 lmb with assail, 1 rmb (does this work if zombies are kissing you already?) --> gets you to 100% peril for more damage

then swap to ds4, get all stacks of MM (+ damage on non warp kill)

then REPEAT (i.e. shoot 6 lmb, 1 rmb) with assail?

[bleak tulip]

at least the spreadsheet seems up to date

[untold niche]

mr arco and mr void

:3

[spice veldt]

in terms of optimal rotations i don't think anyone has done it

[bleak tulip]

in another life thats something I would def do if I wasnt a lazy ass

[untold niche]

could you give me something to aim for then

[paper lily]

You just need to cancel peril decay

If you are trying to remain at 100

[untold niche]

give me something "by right" to do so at least i have a guide line

[paper lily]

RMB staff idk

[spice veldt]

hmm i'm not sure really since it's situation dependent

like I'll try to keep at least 5 shards in reserve for special waves and whatnot

instead of spamming them all

[untold niche]

as in what is my goal here
:v
give me something i can work on dood

so i can try the gameplay

style

[spice veldt]

uhhh some crackhead revolver + assail + combat blade quickswap build or something

[untold niche]

no no

as in

how do i do the

weaving and management

[spice veldt]

swap occasionally and hopefully the blessing on your actively-held weapon will benefit the assail shards

[untold niche]

i assume my goal is to always be at 100% peril and full stacks of MM?
then i should also aim to have as much assail uptime as possible?

[plucky flax]

Just use assail only.

Micro hurts me brain.

[bleak tulip]

sometimes hit the crusher for 1700 damage

[spice veldt]

with an uncanny strike melee, i'll just stack it and then throw assail shards and swap back to my DS for uncanny to apply to assail

[untold niche]

i want to try going
void + illisi + smite + vent
to
void + ds4 + assail + vent

[bleak tulip]

yeah do the latter

melee shit

shard

back to melee

so uncanny applies

and does more

kind of the same with creeping flames, you can get way more value if you weave melee into it because uncanny applies to SB

but on void youre still better off just shooting

so I never do it

also dont really play ass ail anymore

[paper lily]

why do u wanna go to ds4 anyway

[bleak tulip]

maybe ill run it agani today just to see

[bleak tulip]

its overtuned

[paper lily]

is it really

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[paper lily]

better than rapier?

[bleak tulip]

uhh

[untold niche]

yeah but i need details on how to do the horde clear with melee + assail
Like if horde is kissing me, I assail until im 100%?
spam abit of lights, then rmb, saving some for gunners i assume

Then while the assail is still flying, i swap to ds4 to get the uncanny benefit?
Then get full MM stacks. in the middle, prevent peril decay by lmbing? or rmbing assail.
once full MM stacks, use assail?

[paper lily]

i have a nice deimos but its gotta be better than rapier for sure

[vapid lichen]

ds4 is rapier

[plucky flax]

Proof blaze trauma bad. Pls buff.

[vapid lichen]

duelling sword mk 4

[paper lily]

i though u guys were talking about deimos

[bleak tulip]

deimos is good too its just more work to get the "good" attack

[paper lily]

lmao

[bleak tulip]

no

with ds4 you just spam heavies

and its very good

[paper lily]

ds4 can blitz cancel special and it's a 0.05ms damage window start

[untold niche]

mr arco, mr void ;-;
Please

[plucky flax]

[paper lily]

like it's broken

[bleak tulip]

blaze 4 any day now

[spice veldt]

no i'm kicking you off of a cliff

[plucky flax]

Blitz cancel ds4 heavies spam?

[spice veldt]

i don't use void so i wouldn't know

[paper lily]

u can do that too

[vapid lichen]

ds4 has become my favorite psyker melee ngl

[plucky flax]

That's advanced tech but too much micro.

[paper lily]

but i meant special

special can be tap cancelled into blitz

[untold niche]

NOOOOO
im only asking about assail + ds4 horde clear >:L

[plucky flax]

Oh does special do damage? I only use it to stun.

[paper lily]

it does dmg and stun, but the main idea is you can get back to doing damage way faster

[bleak tulip]

I mostly used assail for quick toughness regen or for spread shooters, not very much for horde clear because the only staves I run do better horde clear

[spice veldt]

for hordeclear I usually spam lights and throw assail occasionally

[urban sandal]

I've only used the devil's claw on psyker

[plucky flax]

I just do manual special heavy 1.

[untold niche]

whats the purpose of "throw assail occasionally"

[spice veldt]

if I'm lazy, I'll just spam assail right from the getgo until i run out of shards

[plucky flax]

It's fast enough for me I am not that good for fancy cancel thing.

[spice veldt]

if you kill things near you with assail too quickly, then your DS won't have anything to kill and that'll be wasted dps

[paper lily]

i have a keyboard that lets me bind it in a goofy way

[spice veldt]

and also because that's when my shards regen cuz i usually just throw all of my shards at once

[untold niche]

i struggle with void horde clear if they are in my face

thats why i wanted to try ds4 + assail
because running ds4 will help with crusher hordes in my face as well

[paper lily]

well crusher hordes is a bit weird with ds4

[plucky flax]

I can do this though.

[untold niche]

i have an illisi, but horde clearing with that feels like
idk.
clearing dog poop.

[paper lily]

like two or three is aight but past that you're kiting so hard

[bleak tulip]

back dodge, line em up
crushers should ideally never even get that close if youre paying attention because you alone can kill like 4 or 5 of them from average distance before they get in melee

[untold niche]

like its good to do but you don't feel good doing it
you feel like you are supposed to do something else

[bleak tulip]

with crits you two shot em with void

and stagger shit around em

[spice veldt]

crusher hordes with ds4 is mostly for the perilous combustion + uncanny interaction

[paper lily]

@plucky flax you haven't seen purgatus final form then

[spice veldt]

or just whittling them down

ds4 dodges are nice and pretty safe anyways

[plucky flax]

Isn't it the worst staff?

[untold niche]

i do but its not fast enough

[paper lily]

purg is the best staff in the game imo but

i am always gonna have contrarian opinion

i think it's just fuckin boring

[untold niche]

so usually i back dodge, shoot once then swap to illisi

[bleak tulip]

I basically never use ds4 on crushers unless I feel frisky and want em to die differently

[visual osprey]

really really good roll but it kinda seems like it might only be good against ogryns and maulers specifically

[untold niche]

wait isn't that what ds4 is for
that and ultra mobility

[bleak tulip]

if they come out of nowhere you can smite em and get distance and allow your team to do something about it too while you shout to clear the rest of the shit

[spice veldt]

ds4 is usually the best anti-cara DPS so i'm motivated to use it despite the risk of sudden death syndrome

[brisk lance]

But not Crushers?

[visual osprey]

crushers are ogryns

[bleak tulip]

I use ds4 because its just generally very strong and safe

good speed good dodges, you dont have to be scared of ragers, maulers, crushers, anything really

[untold niche]

i cant horde clear with ds4 alone :(

[brisk lance]

I just wanted to clarify what I meant, because this thing takes like five full thrusted Heavies to kill a single Crusher, lmao. I am just wondering what I am doing wrong here.

[paper lily]

you can

[untold niche]

with ds4 im scared of hordes

[paper lily]

ds4 alone can cleave pretty well

[bleak tulip]

eh its not great

just void em?

[untold niche]

sometime too much :v

no corridor

esp on defence area

[paper lily]

sometimes you just have a massive amounts of units behind you turning your back into bacon and they just dont make sound

[visual osprey]

weird since it takes 3 charged sweep heavies from an illisi on damnation if you get a good enough roll

[paper lily]

and you're like damn, wish i could hear that shit soi could voidstrike em

[bleak tulip]

idk I dont really conciously do anything crazy abuot hordes, I just shoot em, if I get overrung because I fucked up or wasnt paying attention I just leave

lol

shout if you have to to walk out of there

KD is broken as shit and lets you get out of nearly anything

as long as you can path

[visual osprey]

this is my friend's dueling sword

[vapid lichen]

bros got a foam sword

[paper lily]

anyway with ds4, if you can manage some qq swaps in between lights you can get a lunge that lets you move around a lot easier during hordeclear

[visual osprey]

fun fact crushers take less headshot damage than bodyshot damage so you can just sidecleave them repeatedly and kill them in 2-3 strikes

[bleak tulip]

usually I dont get run over by hordes because I guess I just position in a way where I put my team between them and me or I manouver into chokes to void em away

[vapid lichen]

one of these

[visual osprey]

MK6 Power Sword makes extremely light work of absolutely everything though, stab attack can oneshot armored ragers on damnation

[vapid lichen]

thats 58% damage for u

[bleak tulip]

again I dont really conciously do shit in this game my brain is off like 80% of the time

[untold niche]

you know the newish map,
the map that came out before twins map came out

WHere towards the end there is a circular area, then the next stage is a similar circular area
what the hell do you do then

[visual osprey]

You can jump in the direct center of a horde and come out without any hp damage with a warp management build using illisi

[paper lily]

u put ur back to a wall where there isn't an enemy door

[bleak tulip]

I have some video saved but thatts at home go bug me in like 7 hours

[untold niche]

no corridor, they spawn from the outside, you need to defend the inside to press the button thingy

you know what map im talking about right @bleak tulip

[brisk lance]

I smacked him around at the start to build up max stacks first, but you can see how many it takes anyway.

[bleak tulip]

in the first room you can actually stand on the little elevated things near the doors and be unreachable

[untold niche]

you would have DD or WS stacks, so it only takes 2 hits..

[bleak tulip]

second room I just stand near the medicae and clear the sides

because most of the time the team sits around there or in the middle

[untold niche]

what do i do if my team sits in the middle?

[bleak tulip]

if I have to I back into the medicae room

[paper lily]

let them suffer a painful death

for having literally zero strategy

[bleak tulip]

but not for long because you cant get out of there

but its a funnel

[mint pivot]

First den you go and stand on the steps to the next location, all the enemies funnel in to it. And on the 2nd you either make your stand inside the healing machine room or in the middle

[bleak tulip]

any funnel is your friend as long as you keep the dps up

besides that the place immediately before the medicae has two perfect lines of enemies run at you

[untold niche]

how do you horde clear with void if you are in the middle? ;-;

[bleak tulip]

dont be in the middle

[paper lily]

lmb quell cancel and pray

[mint pivot]

Thats the neat trick, you dont 😄

Or you cosplay a ogryn and tank it all while aiming at your feet

[untold niche]

so i just stand by the medicae room by myself? :v

[mint pivot]

You dont do shit alone in this game if you want to survive

[bleak tulip]

no you stand in front of it and back into it if you have to

[paper lily]

that's not true at all

[visual osprey]

not bad but you can still kill faster with a staff sadly

[paper lily]

solo stuff is how you loot and move through maps quickly

[visual osprey]

better to take on crushers in ranged combat anyways

[paper lily]

you should absolutely be able to handle yourself on your own

[untold niche]

stand infront of it, so you shoot at the left and righ curved lanes?
but the middle enemy will run to you too

[bleak tulip]

also you cant really aim at gunners, snipers and flamers from in there who try and get your pubs in the middle

[visual osprey]

I'm opening darktide now so I can copy/paste my allrounder peril management build into the buildmaker

[bleak tulip]

so you dont wanna hole up that much

[paper lily]

ok think about what you just typed

[mint pivot]

During a timed "survive the horde" encounter?

[paper lily]

you are standing somewhere with 3 angles you need to fire at

[bleak tulip]

ideally they dont because your team should be there

[paper lily]

how can you make it 1 angle

[brisk lance]

Not a fan of staffs, I only entertained this because I am running a Gun Psyker so I can emulate a Veteran as best as I can. It's been working out far better than my time running Void, Trauma or Purg did. I wish that I liked the staves, sincerely, but I just don't. And I am honestly just playing Psyker so I can do my Penances.

[bleak tulip]

depends on where your team congregates really

[bleak tulip]

usually they hang out in the middle

yeah

[visual osprey]

you don't, reposition and get behind something so you can create a bottleneck point

[paper lily]

let me show you a secret that randoms don't understand for some reason

[bleak tulip]

the middle arrows dont usually happen that much

at least to me

[visual osprey]

zarona quickdraw is literally your only answer

[bleak tulip]

because you have three allies

[glossy ember]

why is someone playing a rhythm game at the bottom right of ur screen

[untold niche]

thats assuming they care about zombies that run past them :(

[brisk lance]

Yeah... I figured as much, I don't hate it. I use it on my Zealot all the time, but that's the problem.

[visual osprey]

if you want good ranged that fires semi-fast your only option for psyker that is feasibly viable on higher difficulties is assail

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/UH4qsl8.png

[brisk lance]

Spidey Sense.

[paper lily]

like 3 steps back

[glossy ember]

oh

[visual osprey]

I use revolver on zealot and psyker

[untold niche]

void said not to back off into the room if you don't need it

[brisk lance]

I can hardly hear outta my right ear, so it helps a lot.

[paper lily]

well that picture looks like you need it

[visual osprey]

I just use two different revolvers

agrippinaa on zealot, zarona on psyker

[bleak tulip]

yeah if you actually have all of them run at you for some fuckin reason you can back into it

though that usually means your team's in deep shit

and you should prob help lol

[glossy ember]

doesnt ur entire screen light up

in histg

[brisk lance]

Sure, I just would rather not use the revolver again, if you catch what I am saying. It'd be like if the Zealot could also use the Plasma Gun, I wouldn't use it. Why? Because I'd hate playing my Veteran eventually.

[bleak tulip]

thats not your ideal situation tho, void suffers when youre surrounded obv

you ideally wanna avoid going in the middle

and if you do you pick a place where you have lines of enemies to shoot

[visual osprey]

even using the revolver on both I find the gameplay loop between the two to be extremely different

[bleak tulip]

like covering two entrances

[paper lily]

you are unironically really strong in that situation until you ig miss or have some chungus units pass through

[mint pivot]

the melee convention at the front just decides to let the ragers charge past them in to the room with the psyker and vet? 😄

[visual osprey]

I hardly use the revolver on psyker unless I see a special enemy my assail can't reach in a timely manner, I have to use it for zealot when I get up close or see a gunner that can cancel out my charge.

[paper lily]

@glossy ember i use it as well cuz i'm just fucking ancient, but it also fixes the fact that you can't hear half of the fuckin spawns

[untold niche]

How tho
Isn't firing balls down the best way I can help

[paper lily]

you can manipulate the distance that it shows the graphic in the settings so you can discern better whats going on

[visual osprey]

I play vanguard with my psyker consistently and always shit on hordes

[bleak tulip]

help in the sense that youre closer to divert enemy agro to you instead, or get someone up, or shout at someone to help clear shit around them because the vet is overwhelmed etc etc

[untold niche]

Recently I had the game Audio system break down a few times. Like totally no sound for 1 second. usually it's when SOME FUCKRR DECIDE TO SPAM PINH

[visual osprey]

Patrols aren't too difficult if you know where every enemy is

[bleak tulip]

pubs keep getting into situations where they take damage

sometimes you can even just smite the mauler pack thats been chasing the vet

[brisk lance]

Spamming ping should be an autokick.

[bleak tulip]

and it stabilizes shit

[mint pivot]

on my typical group, i am the offtank along with our ogryn maintank. Psyker build defensively is an insane powerhouse

[bleak tulip]

most aurics are just babysitting

which is why I bring smite

[untold niche]

Goddam you are a selfless pub player

[bleak tulip]

not because I like smite

[paper lily]

i choose to die instead

[bleak tulip]

but because I like it when it goes smooth

[mint pivot]

Auric is literally having fun and popping heads with voidstrike until it gets real and suddenly you are far more effective for the team by simply being a smite bot

[bleak tulip]

and smite is a smoothing tool

[untold niche]

Selfless and high skilled
I'm selfish and average skilled. So I only use vent for myself.

In seriousness that's a great hint.

[bleak tulip]

in good missions I dont even touch smite

because its kind of a waste of dps

[paper lily]

you can usually just tell when you need smite

oh this dude got sniped crossmap and was downed right before a rager wave and this guy is gonna res

wow smite i'm the best

[untold niche]

Sometime I take the high ego route and try to kill everything with void instead of smiting the mixed horde with 3x bulwarks

[paper lily]

dont bulwarks get smoked by void

[bleak tulip]

like, your vets already almost dead, in melee and 10 ragers walk out the door behind him

you can shoot em but he probably falls over which puts more strain on everything

or you smite and you soften them up with vent enough that they all die faster

[mint pivot]

Been experimenting with soulblaze smite build abusing dmg boost to smite from empowered psionics. Mostly using voidstrike so i am always at or near full charges to unleash a sonic hell in to the horde/mass specialist situtations

[untold niche]

I kill them in about three hits but the shots don't past through them

[bleak tulip]

also gotta consider the mentality of other players

[paper lily]

they might have something kicking around up there

maybe

[bleak tulip]

subconciously they note someone going down, drop what theyre doing and help em up

which might collapse more shit too densely

so ideally the guy doesnt go down

[untold niche]

I only do that if someone got trapped and there was a few times I regret doing that

[bleak tulip]

more than a few times I had two people drop what theyre doing to both stand no top of the downed player

we give up a lot of space for nothing there

[paper lily]

honestly let the downed guy tank a ton of shit for you

[bleak tulip]

space is life because space means I can void better and position to do so better

[paper lily]

they have incredible damage resist

[untold niche]

So you mean to use smite and vent is to babysit other players? Not babysit myself? :(

[bleak tulip]

I mean vent usually is to get more dps

but I use it for dogs and shit

[untold niche]

I use vent when I get scared of a certain horde

[bleak tulip]

because it goes through walls

[untold niche]

Wait what

Goddam

[bleak tulip]

so the zealot gets dogged two rooms away?

shout

30m range

pretty tight cone

[paper lily]

btw does assail rmb and lmb have different properties beyond range

[bleak tulip]

works more often than not to

[untold niche]

It's not a cone. I tested it. It's like a straight line

[bleak tulip]

its a cone in the sense that its conal in front of you

but yeah it doesnt widen anymore

[mint pivot]

Anything you guys would switch around? Mainly trying to make this work as a offtank/CC support build. Using voidstrike (3x soulblaze on crit enchance because thats all i got for it atm) + deflect force sword

[bleak tulip]

its more or less just your screen

[untold niche]

It's like only in the middle part of your screen. So sad.

[bleak tulip]

like if someone is 45° in melee from you you dont hit em but you hit the guy behind him usually

its wacky

[olive ember]

get rid of some of the points on the left for true aim

[untold niche]

I'm pretty sure you can sacrifice a choice of wildfire, some nodes at the top, then get KD

[paper lily]

you can just drop shield points idk

i run an untalented shield

[bleak tulip]

dont use warp expenditure, its pretty meh, wildfire isnt great

and get true aim

[paper lily]

wildfire does not work like how that shit would work in any other game

[bleak tulip]

do literally anything you have to to get true aim

its mandatory for void

[mint pivot]

oh really

[bleak tulip]

yeaj

[mint pivot]

good to know 😄

[bleak tulip]

and I wouldnt recommend using EP

[untold niche]

Wait doesn't he have true aim

[bleak tulip]

especially on smite

[untold niche]

It's the second node on the right correct

[bleak tulip]

bottom right

[paper lily]

it's after the peril block

[bleak tulip]

near DD

[untold niche]

Oh second mode is called perfect timing

[mint pivot]

Ye, i started by using warp siphon for pretty much full uptime shield for our vet

[glossy ember]

fair

[bleak tulip]

you should also go mettle>perfect timing

[untold niche]

Oh yeah I got confused

[mint pivot]

But wanted to try and force more soulblaze in to the build due to my voidstrike naturally causing more of it

[paper lily]

that mod only notifies you of a special when you're supposed to HEAR it

[plucky flax]

Blazing voidstrike

Veyr based.

[paper lily]

which is crazy when you hear virtually nothing

[mint pivot]

Fuck meta, i do whats fun

[plucky flax]

Exactly man.

[half iron]

i play gunker to steal ammo from vets

[paper lily]

well wildfire doesn't work like this

[plucky flax]

If it works for you go for it.

[untold niche]

I was going to ping you because I knew you would chime in xD

[paper lily]

enemy has 4 stacks, 4 stacks for everything around it

[mint pivot]

Blazing voidstrike blaze smite build with double shield

[paper lily]

no, it instead does this

[mint pivot]

Because fuck your meta

[bleak tulip]

this is my current build

[plucky flax]

[paper lily]

enemy has 4 stacks, it distributes exactly 4 and only 4 stacks somewhere in a horde

[untold niche]

That's exactly the same as mine :v

[mint pivot]

is DD good?

[paper lily]

dd is really inconsistent

[bleak tulip]

yeah its pretty good

[mint pivot]

I want to try it but it sounds like it would be shit

[untold niche]

I mean tbf you were the one who advised me on EE -> quitude

[olive ember]

if you want to run voidstrike EP smite and shield

this is what I got so far

[bleak tulip]

just accept that you wont have DD up all the time but understand all it takes is stabbing like 5 roamers in the head in the correct order and you got it back

[mint pivot]

Thats the easy solution, but i kinda want to force the 2 soulblaze nodes in to my tree

[untold niche]

The only time I don't have full stacks is when I'm in a corridor against bulwarks or elevator ride

[paper lily]

yeah but you take the duration one

[bleak tulip]

even with duration elevators make you lose it

nothing you can do

some might not

[paper lily]

i mean yeah, that's probably the whole point of elevators

[bleak tulip]

but most will