psyker-class

[vast yew]

yeah if you're holding smite it's a good time to glance around a bit too; aiming the smite doesn't matter once you lock onto stuff

get a feel for where your team is for when you drop the smite

[honest wadi]

How does your Assail Build look like @vast yew ? if dont mind me asking

[vast yew]

see if they're getting into position to help or figure you have it handled and you're gonna need to book it

[mint pivot]

Ye, its usually some random ogryn i am next to and suddenly that giant turns in to a ninja and poofs in to the last checkpoint to pick up a grimoire or something 😄

[vast yew]

something like this:

[honest wadi]

thank you

[vast yew]

w/ Surge Staff And Duelling Sword Mk4

sometimes Illisi instead

depends on mood

[olive ember]

assail build with no EP

what heresy is this

[vast yew]

Mfw people take the good blitz with the good keystone:

[near drift]

You can have a little warp siphon, as a treat

Also the purgatus DoT doesn't count as soulfire right?

[harsh urchin]

It does

[vast yew]

the purgatus DoT is soulblaze, yes

[near drift]

Oh shiii

[grizzled iris]

Imagine not being able to put that together on your own

[vast yew]

Bruh he's new

No need to be nasty

[near drift]

Thx man luv u too

[hot zephyr]

Chill bro, we don't shame newbies here. We help them become awesome

[grizzled iris]

You're welcome!

[hasty breach]

games are full of non-intuitive deceptive synergies that do and dont work. you never know until you confirm it. which is why you know, dursur.

[olive ember]

I'd rather people ask for help here than

then look of wte the fuck builds are posted on other places of the internet

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6454b8-4180-4dc7-93ee-e817b21f25cc/auric-maelstrom-bubble-smite-support

lmao like what the fuck is this

[grizzled iris]

@near drift If ever in doubt, can always check this website for assistance https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/force-staff-purgatus/rifthaven-mk-ii-purgatus-force-staff

[hot zephyr]

Jeez... that is a horrible build.... I should post some of mine so folks have a chance of coming across something good....

[olive ember]

I have a feeling that the epic redditors who "if you don't know how good the bubble is you clearly don't play auric"

[grizzled iris]

Said every player ever xD

[olive ember]

are using the build lmao

[rapid plinth]

Anyone have a bb build that uses Venting shriek?

[vernal portal]

Anyone know why when this is fully charged, it only applies 4 stacks of Brittleness?

[hot zephyr]

I have a BR/BB Purgatus build that does

[grizzled iris]

Why would you want a build that focuses on bb

[rapid plinth]

Penances

[grizzled iris]

Understandable

[rapid plinth]

Show pls?

[olive ember]

yikes

[rapid plinth]

Should I earn the blessings of all the weapons I don’t use?

Like all my bad weapons

[hot zephyr]

Either of these I find work quite well. I prefer the Siphon one through as it's a bit more flame/stave focused while the EP one mixes in BRs a lot. (You should be aware I run health/wound/stam curios, which is why I pickup extra flat toughness nodes, if you run tough curios you can skip/move these elsewhere)

The EP Build's concept is you use your purgatus RMB to stack up fires, then dump peril with shriek. Elite kills rack up EP empowered BRs you can fast-cast for killing gunners/crushers/bulwarks.

The Siphon build is pretty straight forwards. Burninate everything all the time, and BR is more just for utility in long-range situations.

If you want to focus on spamming BR, the EP build might be more suitable to what you are looking for.

[grizzled iris]

Can go with this, if the soulblaze messes with the penance go with the second one

[grizzled iris]

Some people like to collect them for the sake of a collection, I personally just collect the ones that are useful. All tho collecting all ain't too bad since you never know what changes they might make in the future.

[river stirrup]

in my actual build i just try to stack and hold warp charge to store a maximum of dmg buff without using vent/bb, dmg is pretty solid

[misty cypress]

when doing the warp charges for 300 seconds penance, do i have to use the 6 charges perk?

[bold yacht]

Smite is super bad

[vast yew]

Smite is not super bad, it’s just a trap to use it all the time

[hot zephyr]

IIRC yes, but it's been a while since I did the penance so I don't 100% know.

[wanton sandal]

makes me sad when i see siblings only spam smite and dont contribute in any other way

[obtuse moth]

smite is incredibly overpowered, but it also makes the game suck if you use it at other times

[shell maple]

Can this chat decide if Smite is good or shit?

[obtuse moth]

should just be whatever your current max charges are

[wanton sandal]

good in the right hands, shit in the wrong hands

like most things

[hot zephyr]

Smite is the same as your teammates. if they are good, it's good. if they are terrible, it's terrible.

[obtuse moth]

smite trivialises the game, but if you use it on trash adds you're basically putting the match on pause

[graceful eagle]

what the difference between +power vs. +damage on ranged weapons? can someone clarify

[obtuse moth]

putting a game on pause can be really strong, but you dont want to put it on pause the entire time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOmLUfNMw4

[hot zephyr]

Power affects damage, stagger, and finesse damage, while damage only affects damage.

[wanton sandal]

mfw my sibling smites the horde that was walking towards us and now we have nothing to do until he runs out of peril

[graceful eagle]

thanks

[obtuse moth]

power affects damage, CLEAVE, and impact aka stagger

[wanton sandal]

smite is very clutch when the team is in a really bad spot with elites out the ass

love smite <3

especially when you take warp charges and the peril generation talents

[obtuse moth]

cleave is how much mass an attack can go through before stopping

aka how many targets you can hit with one attack

[vague nexus]

It’s shit

Looks cool tho

[wanton sandal]

does that affect cleave distribution as well?

ik some weapons have a separate cleave damage stat that involves distribution

[obtuse moth]

im not sure of the exact interactions of that, but afaik its generally a damage modifier the same way first target is

[vague nexus]

If you took the head explosion blitz you could just kill those elites

[wanton sandal]

go for it

[obtuse moth]

syllogism prolly knows

[obtuse moth]

lol you definitely can't in high densities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOmLUfNMw4 watch the kill feed

weapons and abilities operate very differently on regular difficulties compared to auric damnation and maelstrom

you could probably just call them completely different abilities based on how different peoples experiences are of their effectiveness in regular matches vs auric damn

a lot of them require a critical mass to be effective, or a high concentration of specials and elites etc

[rich jolt]

First half decent purge staff

[obtuse moth]

DoTs are a classic example, with lower health and few enemies. its completely pointless compared to direct damage until those things scale up

[feral verge]

you may already know

[obtuse moth]

grats! you'll eventually want a burn stat of at least 76% so you can hit burn cap

[feral verge]

but terrifying barrage is useless

it's like having no blessing at all

[rich jolt]

Im aware its pretty bad

[feral verge]

i would take any t1 blessing over t4 terrifying barrage

[rapid plinth]

Which keystone do I work towards

[obtuse moth]

take the middle if you're assail focused and the left if you're bubble focused or stave focused

[quasi junco]

Terrifying barrage is our best blessing, it goes great with wildfire

[obtuse moth]

you can suppress enemies without it

[shell maple]

That’s glorious, too bad i like my bubble

[obtuse moth]

focused channeling will save you more often

[zinc tartan]

I've played something like 100 hours now with a Smite Psyker. It takes a hit on Maelstrom that has CC immune enemies. It also has a tendency to bug out and enemies that should be CC'd just keep walking up on you and smacking you. Otherwise, its fantastic for releaving pressure on the team. The only issue is that you become reliant on your team. Smite is most powerful when you are with a full group on comms and you tell them when you are smiting. Also, try not to knock enemies way from your teammates that are trying to build toughness. It can actually end up hurting them more from ranged enemies not caught in smite.

[hot zephyr]

Just FYI, +5% crit or +25% to flak are probably more helpful than 10% to specialists. Congrats on a decent orange tho! I'm sure you'll enjoy it

[zinc tartan]

I wish I could use bubble. It's arguably better, but as soon as I switch to it, I kill myself over and over again.

[obtuse moth]

WILDFIRE

Only triggers after death animation. Most notably a bug.

Needs at least 2 stacks on the target to spread the fire.

Hard cap of 4. You cannot transfer more than 4 stacks total per dying target.

Can only target enemies with 4 or less stacks. Enemies with 4 will just refresh in duration and consume a stack.

Stacks are always spread evenly among suitable targets if possible.

5m radius from blazed target.

Will be spread by corpses if they have been lit after death when the Soulblaze effect ends on them.

[zinc tartan]

I just can't break the habit of having shriek.

[rich jolt]

I was thinking flak at first but because im not sure what im doing i just got that because it covers alot of different enemies

[obtuse moth]

smite should be comboed with 6 stack warp resist warp siphon and creeping flames

it doesnt rely on your team in that setup if you are using it situationally

[vague nexus]

Does aiming with assail increase its pierce?

[ionic needle]

Literally the worst

[hot zephyr]

it covers less than you think. Specialists tend to spawn 1 or 2 at a time, where as flak is literally everywhere, including bosses like the scab captain. If you can afford to swap it to 25% to flak I would recommend it.

[obtuse moth]

no, but an empowered assail from empowered psionics will double how many targets it hits

[vague nexus]

Also do force swords block bullets

[obtuse moth]

only if they have deflector blessing, and not sniper bullets

[rich jolt]

Ok will do

[obtuse moth]

flak and maniac covers almost everything hard to kill that you would actually be able to damage to with soulblaze normally, giving you a 25% modifier on each

[rich jolt]

Isnt maniac only flamers and dreg ragers?

[obtuse moth]

its a lot of specialists too

[hot zephyr]

Flamers, ragers, mutants, trappers. All the most common ones.

[feral verge]

i use this staff to get 1 mil damage

on mercantile map

[vast yew]

There's a strong argument for 5% crit over 25% maniacs on Purg

[obtuse moth]

arent trappers maniacs

[rich jolt]

What ahout flak ragers?

[vast yew]

either works IMO

[vast yew]

Scab Ragers are flak, yeah

[hot zephyr]

That's why you go flak, flak ragers are flak, as are gunners, and lots of trash scabs like shotgunners and gunners are also flak

[rich jolt]

Hmm

Okay ik how imma build

[obtuse moth]

5% is still effectively just a 5% damage increase (statistical 5% chance to to add 100% damage aka burn stacks applied) IF you aren't at soulblaze stack cap for your stave. damage modifiers modify the damage the soulblaze does which is a 25% modifier

[rich jolt]

Ty

[shell maple]

Ok

[vast yew]

yeah, but Dreg Ragers get stunlocked and burn to death anyways and you don't realistically care about purg damage on specialists/Mutants, so it's not really a huge deal

[feral verge]

that's my fav Aic album

[hot zephyr]

Trappers are in fact also maniacs, but still not worth optimizing over since they are squishy

[vague nexus]

Ok

[vast yew]

the 5% crit makes talents like EE more consistent when at low peril

it's a tossup

[rich jolt]

A speck of dust kills trappers

[obtuse moth]

when listing maniacs it does a disservice to omit one from the catalogue

[hot zephyr]

Yes I forgot about them cus they die so fast.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, once you get used to dealing with trapper and mutants, it's easier to just dodge them and then take them out. Especially mutants once they bonk into a wall

[vast yew]

Mutants also have 4000 hp, but take triple damage from melee

so it's usually better to melee them rather than use any ranged weapon

(assuming they're close)

[rich jolt]

I usually smack them once while side stepping then unload my gun into there back

[vast yew]

just stab them in the back for quicker kills that cost 0 ammo

[bitter orbit]

Is it just me or the surge staff is not great right now?

[hot zephyr]

This works fine, nothing wrong with it. But if you get used to using melee it'll conserve ammo/peril for other specials that are harder to deal with

[vast yew]

Surge is fine

IMO

it's not the powerhouse that Void or Trauma are, but it's perfectly usable

[bitter orbit]

I mean that's my point. Its viable sure, but there is no reason to use it

[vast yew]

there's no reason to use a lot of things if you focus on meta

people still do

just because something isn't top-tier doesn't mean it's useless

[hot zephyr]

I mean, ultimately it's a game, you should be able to use the weapons you think are coolest and think about META later.

[vast yew]

Surge fills the roll of killing Elites; paired with Assail or Smite and an Illisi/DS4 the build functions just fine

Not as strong as a Voidstrike build, but you don't have to bother aiming either

[bitter orbit]

It not about meta, there are other staffs that do its job better, so why even bother

[vast yew]

because it's fun?

[bitter orbit]

I guess

[vast yew]

Purgatus is useless in the face of Blaze trauma and people run it all the time

Laspistol is worse than a Columnus Gunker, people run it all the time

[obtuse moth]

surge and purge both feel mid atm but are completely useable even in auric maelstrom and secret hardmode damnation twins

[vast yew]

just because something isn't top tier doesn't mean you can't use them anyways

if it works, it works

[jaunty atlas]

i feel weak with pretty much anything other than flamestaff these days

[vast yew]

if you want something actually bad/useless look at the Recon Lasgun or the Tactical Axes, those have real problems if you try and run a Psyker with them

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, the difference between S-tier Meta selections and meme builds is like 5% effectiveness. Player skill can vary more than that if you are playing tired or just having a bad day

[marsh token]

S-Tier is what suits your personal play style and allows you to compete successfully in the endgame.

[vast yew]

Well it can be more, but the bar is "are you an effective member of the team"

If the answer to that question is "yes" then you're good

If you struggle to deal with common problems, then your build has issues

but if you don't, then you don't

[hot zephyr]

Exactly, why play a certain combo/build/weapon if you don't enjoy it?

[bitter orbit]

My main gripe with the surge is the insane amount of peril generation, I'd like to be able to run it with disrupt destiny instead of being forced to do warp syphon. Maybe I'm just bad

[vast yew]

... why would you run it with DD when DD buffs weak spot damage, which the Surge can't even use

[bitter orbit]

But it buffs crit

Which surge is great at

[vast yew]

it does but crit damage is... a wonky stat

[bitter orbit]

Hmmm, how is it woky?

[ebon pawn]

Ah man it was going so good :(

[vast yew]

it only applies to the extra crit damage

not the full

[bitter orbit]

Ohhhhh

[vast yew]

so if a weapon does 100 damage, but 150 on a crit, +20% crit damage would make it... 160

[ebon pawn]

how should i save it my kindred

[vast yew]

uh, Precog -> Uncanny and Sprint to Unyielding and you're good

or keep Precog if you like it and swap Rampage to Uncanny

but IMO Rampage is stronger

[jaunty atlas]

i made a good one, but i can't save my life with it even in uprising

[vast yew]

oh it's a MK5

[ebon pawn]

im more a stab single taget until it dies, so at first i was thinking the rampage was not attractive, but i guess you are right its kinda stronger

[vast yew]

Mk5 is fine but the Mk4 is the better one at the moment

[ebon pawn]

hmm i only have uncanny t3

[vast yew]

it's more for horde clear; Precog I find to be weird to trigger

[hot zephyr]

Uncanny T3 is plenty

[vast yew]

T3 Uncanny still hits 100% so you're gucci

[tawdry pasture]

Is brainburst counted as a headshot?

[ebon pawn]

so like so?

[vast yew]

it's a weak spot hit yeah

[tawdry pasture]

ty

[vast yew]

that's how I would do it, yeah. There's some dissent about what the second blessing is best for a DS4, but Uncanny is the biggest deal

Shred is mostly winning but it doesn't matter too much

good stats + Uncanny + Maniacs and you got a DS4 that works

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, honestly there isn't really a "bad" blessing for DS. Uncanny is god-tier good, but everything else is servicable

[primal plume]

Lets see how far Hadron shoves this up her Mechanicussy

[vast yew]

you have an 83.333% chance of getting at least one correct blessing

enjoy

[primal plume]

+2 stamina

whythe fuck does that exist

[vast yew]

woop, stamina -> Flak, Terrifying -> Nexus, you're good

[ebon pawn]

nice what a god roll modifiers though

[hot zephyr]

Yeah that's fine. Do what Delta suggested and you're rollin

[vast yew]

the only way that could be better is if Mobility was 80, which matters not too much

80/80/80 Damage/Finesse/Pen with decent Mobility is excellent

[ebon pawn]

yea i agree its not the most important.

[jaunty atlas]

i just want to load assail shards in a zarona. is that too much to ask ?

[ebon pawn]

aah almost 1 shot though

[vast yew]

yeah DS4 needs some Warp Charges/Warp Rider help to one-tap muties

[primal plume]

Hadron just said "Do not hurry back." Even she knows this crafting system sucks ass

[vast yew]

you can also be a complete baller and use special attack on them mid-charge to stun them out of it

[hot zephyr]

That'll be a one-shot with Warp Rider up

[vast yew]

but most people don't like playing Chicken with a Mutie like that

[ebon pawn]

warp rider is?

[vast yew]

Warp Rider is bottom-middle talent

up to 20% damage as Peril increases

[ebon pawn]

oh

that

yea i already got that on my build :p

[jaunty atlas]

spam assail, flail your arms to their maximum extend > win

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, so peril yourself up to like 50% and try the mutant again, it'll one-shot

[vast yew]

or grab... 2 warp charges and a tiny bit of Peril

[ebon pawn]

oh yea

[vast yew]

think you need 8.3% more damage to one-shot

[ebon pawn]

fucking 3,9k dmg haha

[hot zephyr]

Playing Mutie chicken with ONE mutant isn't scary. Two or three in a row gets a bit edgey lol

[vast yew]

just shout "Toro, Toro!" and you're good

[jaunty atlas]

ooh i do not do that, that must be the problem

[hot zephyr]

I knew I needed to buy that red cape....

[ebon pawn]

how it feels to play psyker

[vast yew]

every time I do it while in voice chat with my buddies I miss and get grabbed

[wanton sandal]

😭 how do i get the warp to curse this fella

[ebon pawn]

how it feels to actually play psyker

[wanton sandal]

warp rider psyker

[tawny pebble]

yeah that tracks

[ebon pawn]

oh my beloved.. im slipping UUuuuUuuh

[wanton sandal]

crazy how seer psyker just creams himself whenever he's edging his perils

[glossy ember]

nah it's goated with the sauce

[jaunty atlas]

bro you have a full lenght bonified stick !

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I often find that tiny bit of extra concentration it takes to have a stream of banter in your ear while playing will do that lol

[ebon pawn]

hahahha for real it sounds like the are fucking cooming sometimes

[glossy ember]

you should try using it with scrier

[vast yew]

oh no he's here

[glossy ember]

[tawny pebble]

must rest....must rest

[hot zephyr]

The moment of sheer panic when you aren't sure if that last shard you threw put you to 100% or over it....

[vast yew]

this is why I will always have Shriek on my Surge/Assail build

[ebon pawn]

Especially the female voice that sounds very posh royal. the absolute creeming happening lmao

[vast yew]

very easy to "oopsie daisies" an extra shot and explode

plus it helps with horde clear which is otherwise somewhat lacking

[wanton sandal]

this but me spamming my surge after i dump my warp charges

[vast yew]

I do not trust myself to edge my Surge

[jaunty atlas]

but .. the coherencyforcer3000 is so SO usefull

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I've started playing a lot safer with my assail since switching to bubble shield. Above 85% I just swap off to columnus/melee now

[vast yew]

it is, it is

but I need the shriek that murders the shooters more

[hot zephyr]

Doing max-dps for like .02 seconds is not worth misclick exploding

[wanton sandal]

edging with surge is very dangerous for my health but i GOTTA get that full warp nexus bonus

slap on bloodthirsty or slaghterer?

[vast yew]

Slaughterer

slaughterer is very, very good on Illisi

[feral verge]

slaughterer

[wanton sandal]

dope ty

[vast yew]

even on a Bloodthirsty Illisi, you're probably going to have Slaughterer as the 2nd perk

[wanton sandal]

have yet to roll any sort of bloodthirsty

tho i got a nice illisi lined up for when i do

[vast yew]

Bloodthirsty isn't ideal but it's an option for the 2nd blessing

[wanton sandal]

what's not to love about guaranteed crits?

[vast yew]

IMO Deflector and Uncanny are better, with Bloodthirsty, Shred, Unstable Power, and Riposte being "ok"

oh guaranteed crits are great, but requiring you to spam the special on what is effectively a Power Sword without Power Cycler is less than great

[wanton sandal]

fair nuff

[vast yew]

like it'll do work vs. Mixed hordes, just depends on what you want the force sword to be doing better or if you want to open up some new functionality with Deflector

Slaughterer is IMO non-negotiable given it's main purpose is horde clear

the 2nd blessing is more open

(there's also the funny Shred/Blazing Spirit builds, but while cool as heck they're not as good as a variant with Slaughterer)

[wanton sandal]

i do quite enjoy deflector's ability to become a tank and stop gunner spam but wanna try something else

[vast yew]

well if you really want to diversify, the Duelling Sword MK4 is excellent

[wanton sandal]

lol illisi is me diversifying

i main ds

[vast yew]

well then the "best" blessing pairing is IMO Uncanny and Slaughterer

but you can try some stuff out

[ionic needle]

auric maelstrom done on the trauma build, it seems to work pretty well

[wanton sandal]

blazing?

[ionic needle]

yeah

[wanton sandal]

yeah blazing trauma is my ne wfav

[ionic needle]

Never running maelstrom with the minibosses again though, that was really annoying

[vast yew]

Blazing Trauma: when you absolutely, positively, have to kill every heretic in the room

[ionic needle]

Blazing trauma was really fun in scab only tho

[vast yew]

oh scab only blazing trauma is hilarious

easy 1 mill damage lol

[opal gyro]

Weren’t they buffed in traitor’s curse? I’ve only done that maelstrom type once since then

[glossy ember]

just walk into a fire if you're starting to peril overload and pretend the fire killed you and totally not your own mistake

[ionic needle]

First one mauler goes down and then it's just dominoes haha

[ionic needle]

Yesterday I went down from an overhead just as I was overloading and when I got picked up the overload kept going so I blew up just as I got picked up

[glossy ember]

that happened to me once

[ionic needle]

I didn't even know that could happen

[glossy ember]

ts pretty rare

not sure what triggers it

[vast yew]

game can queue an overload for after you get picked up but has trouble queueing the fact that I pressed the switch weapon button three times

I'm just trying to switch to my melee weapon and swing, game

[glossy ember]

oh you wanted to stay on your blitz? sure here you go

[vast yew]

Like half my damn explosions are me trying to swap from staff to melee while at high peril

and the game going "Nah you staff leftclick instead"

[opal gyro]

Does this have the deep filter?

[ebon pawn]

doubt

[vast yew]

don't think so?

[opal gyro]

sad

[ebon pawn]

dont look like it got the vox filter

[vast yew]

the only helmet I've seen confirmed is the glowy-eyed navigator helm

I use it on my Surge build so I can be a Sith Lord

[primal tusk]

it got screws, does that count for anything?

[opal gyro]

I know this one has the filter

[vast yew]

according to My Hero Academia, yes

[opal gyro]

I want more helmets with the filter that don't make me bald

[vast yew]

that one still makes you bald?

Fatshark pls

[primal tusk]

psyker balding

[opal gyro]

Nono, it doesn't

[primal tusk]

genestealer cult stole your hair genes

[opal gyro]

But I want a non-balding filter other than this one. The hammer shaped one leaves some hair but also leaves a massive bald spot

[primal tusk]

yeah i use the 3/4 hair, where theres a front portion missing most of this game has weird hair

like we all tweakers that got picked up from the street

now that i think about it, none of my classes show hair atm

Veteran has the camo cap,
Zealot has the robotic helmet with an Imperium I symbol on the front as visor.
Psyker using the cowboy thing,
and Ogryn's got the red piratey crew cap thing

[vast yew]

I think you mean the Ogryn santa cap

[primal tusk]

yeah that. dont have beard though. got a stache

[latent juniper]

having a dilemma, which top fits better?

[wanton sandal]

im a sucker for the leather jacket

[primal tusk]

both depending on the vibe you are going for

i dont want my Psyker to be bulky so id pick the leather jacket

[latent juniper]

thats fair

[primal tusk]

not on pc atm and updated my Ogryn and Psyker since, so heres my Zealot and my Vet

[vast yew]

very nice

[latent juniper]

thats a really nice vet

[primal tusk]

note i dont use evis anymore, using tactical axe

[vast yew]

aww I love the evis, both marks

[primal tusk]

cause funny to just go BONKBONKBONKBONKBONKBONKBONK when doing an assassination on a boss shield

[wanton sandal]

illisi is fairly slim

but jackekt psyker looks sick

[ebon pawn]

took it out for as spin and its oh so good!
But for a run where we had to kill lik 10 monstrosities i would rather have the forcesword

[vast yew]

DS4 should have higher DPS vs. Monsters than Deimos, if you can keep chaining heavies

Chaos Spawn is a bit of a pain though

[ebon pawn]

yea

hate spawn

cant duke it out like ogryn

[hot zephyr]

Chaos Spawn is just hard to put down with melee. A good ogryn on your team will do his best to hold it in place so you can ranged dps the head

[primal tusk]

ogryn heavy attack build just get toughness from attacking

[vast yew]

I mean if it aggros you, you can stay pretty safe thanks to high dodge range and Kinetic Deflection
The head just freaking bounces all over like crazy

very annoying to weak spot consistently

Plague Ogryns are pretty stable and predictable, Beast of Nurgle is easy

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, even best case you get like a couple seconds of mag dump or a single void shot and it's moved

[vast yew]

but Spawn are just like KLASHERLASERLSAERLHAXLDKFJDSAKLFGRBL going nuts

[ebon pawn]

wish the stagger worked on monstrositie too and not just when using ogryn slap

then the duel sword would be perfect in my book

[vast yew]

you can chain-stagger any of the monsters with a Voidstrike if you time it perfectly

but it's tricky

[ebon pawn]

yea tru

[vast yew]

I suck at it

[ebon pawn]

then it would need to be off me though

[primal tusk]

is it bad that i forgot what Chaos Spawns are? i mostly just encounter plague ogryns or nurgly beasts

[ebon pawn]

and i must not panick with 95% corruption

[hot zephyr]

Lucky, I never see BoNs anymore. Always spawn

[vast yew]

Plague Ogryns are pretty easy and Beasts are free kills if you have Dome

Spawns are just the worst

[primal tusk]

only recently got my bull rush feat for stopping a plague ogryn charge

it satisfying

[flint plover]

What are the peril levels for Warp Nexus crit%?

[wanton sandal]

20-40-60-80

or do u mena the crit %s

[flint plover]

I meant both, I think, but that's really helpful, ty

16/18/20% at 80 peril, etc

[wanton sandal]

you get 5% more crit at each level at warp nexus 4 if you wanted the amount of crit you get

yeah, max level crit chance is at 80

[flint plover]

gotcha, ty

[tropic patrol]

why dpes surge say it does trigger on 2nd attack? it does shoot double on the charged attack right?

[obtuse moth]

secondary attack aka secondary fire sometimes known as right mouse button (for right handed people)

it works on void but not on trauma

[feral verge]

On trauma it works on lmb only

[tropic patrol]

does it work on both for void?

[strong gulch]

yes

[quasi junco]

Forums down for you all?

[onyx sentinel]

the deflect animation while getting shot at using the dueling sword makes it feel like I’m taking less damage

unless 😳

[tame venture]

Wait, does, or how does the shield(s) use warp charges?

Health or lifetime?

[robust relic]

wtf guys, melk has an actually well statted weapon

[obtuse moth]

cooldown

[tame venture]

Just that?

Seems pretty lame ngl

[zinc tartan]

I am thinking of running Deimos with Purgatus. Ive been running DS4 with maniacs and its great, but I don't really need the horde control it offers and I want a better answer for bulwarks and armor. I heard you can 1 shot a mutant without needing maniacs so I wanted to give it a try. Does anyone have any preferences for perks/blessings that do well?

[vast yew]

Uncanny/Deflector with Maniacs is a good way to go

[tropic patrol]

Use Snub nosed revolver and you can oneshot almost anything

[vast yew]

Double check your Maniac damage to see about the one shot threshold

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on your ranged weapon.

But Empowered Assail is a safe bet for leveling for any weapon really.

[potent echo]

As mentioned check your mutant BP

You need a little bit of warp rider

[wanton sandal]

i believe one shot requires the H2 on weakspot

[obtuse moth]

DS4 is better for mutants and armor imo than deimos, and deimos has better horde clear

[wanton sandal]

also yeah DS4 can shred thru any armor with uncanny

they should really just sell this in a bundle with the other version without the mask

smh

i love the sea mine look but i want my beautiful face to be shown as well

[obtuse moth]

ds4 has terrible cleave, its one of the worst at horde control

[restive slate]

Use ds4 with Trauma or Purgatus and it should cover their weaknesses nicely

[chrome patrol]

got all my psyker penances besides malleus monstronum does someone has a idea which mission or map a monstrosity spawns the quickest to get it done?

[iron root]

whats the best way to farm surge for my damn voidstrike?

been farming a week straight and life is pain

[chrome patrol]

checked milk?

[iron root]

whats that? I only had this game 2 weeks so still relatively new

[ornate hamlet]

Melk's scam shop that maybe might have specifically a voidstrike staff with specifically that blessing

[iron root]

been checking every day

[chrome patrol]

i mean other than that you can just repeatetly upgrade items and hope it gets the right enchantment

[iron root]

its always the flamethrower or the zappy boi hes got lol

okay so

should I be rolling a bunch of white staves to blue or taking them to exalted for that buff?

[chrome patrol]

or play very high difficulty to increase chaces for a blessing from the emprah

[iron root]

been doing that every game

[chrome patrol]

then you should get a goot ammount of oranges

good*

[strong gulch]

Surge is a rare blessing and it's only T4. You can level to blue and orange for a chance at T4 blessings. Oranges have a higher chance at getting T4s.

You can check Melk's limited shop. It resets daily.

There also emperor's gifts. Oranges have a higher drop rate on higher difficulties.

[iron root]

okay that clarifies a lot

[strong gulch]

You'll get it eventually. I was really unlucky; been playing since beta and finally got it last month.

[iron root]

really scattered and sometimes conflicting info online

like the imperium

[potent echo]

Uh orange having higher chance of a good blessing is a very disputed topic

[chrome patrol]

problem is the shitty crafting system that still did not get a overhaul

[potent echo]

There's no real hard evidence either way

[chrome patrol]

many people are unhappy so its not just you :/

[iron root]

life is pain

I just want to be able to throw the entire nutsack not just one nut at a time

[potent echo]

Psyker atheneum is an updated and reliable source

Ogryns have the ogrynomicon

The other two classes..

[strong gulch]

valid. At the very least that's been my and many other's experience. If other's are have a different experience, that's cool.

It'd be interesting to see a graph of T4 blessing instances across players.

[potent echo]

It makes sense to me too but I can't recommend it because I don't know if it's real

But generally I will only upgrade >360s to orange

[long wharf]

I finally got surge for trauma from Sour Milk last week

Not that I'm going to use it

[quasi grotto]

Man I wish melk would give me something useful

Today he was offering me a pretty decent IAG... but on my zealot and not on my vet

[cold geode]

smite is terrible and shouldnt be used

[next turret]

im liking the gun psyker but im not certain on the skill tree anyone know?

[cold geode]

depeneds

i use plasma + mk 12 axe on my vet and i do the melee/stealh build

[next turret]

lemme pic one of what i have

[cold geode]

since the plasma gun takes so long to reload, the capstone is nice, kill 10 enemies and get 44 ammo reloaded for free (for my gun at aleast, its based off % of total ammo)

you can also very easily and quickly pull plasma out and shoot one target, then swap to melee to get the melee damage buff over and over again

[next turret]

that came out funky

[cold geode]

ahh im dumb, i read psyker as plasma

LOL

[next turret]

im a revolver fan im an old cod sniper i like one shotters

and i can hit headshots with regularity

[cold geode]

/usetalents psyker 17;3|1,4|1,6|1,7|1,10|1,18|1,22|1,23|1,24|1,26|1,29|1,30|1,34|1,36|1,39|1,41|1,42|1,44|1,51|1,53|1,55|1,64|1,65|1,70|1,71|1,74|1,76|1,78|1,80|1,81|1

I use this one on mine, no accuracy needed really.

your F builds toughness/damage for your melee and ranged, assails are there when you need ranged, or want to pick off a sniper but dont have time to reload

[next turret]

once i get good blesings this is what im sticking with

[cold geode]

it should work fine for a stubber

[next turret]

it cuts through entire mobs lol

[cold geode]

aye

[next turret]

getting the blessings i want is going to be very expensive

[cold geode]

hit F switch to stub revolver and tag heads till things are dead

[next turret]

if only blesings were account wide

[cold geode]

They are for the same type of weapons

[next turret]

my vet has awesome ones

[cold geode]

Stub revolver blessings should be available to you on your psyker

from your vet

[next turret]

it says no but now you say that im immediately going to check lol however id like any suggestions

always open to suggestions

[cold geode]

you want rending + surgical on the original stub

the new one wants trick shooter/rending

[next turret]

i hate the hipfire ugh

[cold geode]

Check the zealot class pins for a good list of blessing + perk parings for weapons.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1167971482161385472/Screenshot_20.png?ex=6590aab5&is=657e35b5&hm=bfc20a5906392af8b4c9589008f2e0c0b8cb2edbc08f9cf6f024ed132068600b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1725&height=668

[next turret]

sure thing im just doing melks stuff atm he comes through with a blessing now and again

[rare mesa]

so uhh

i wast he only one alive and i accidentally aggrod demon host

but then i ran away so fast it never caught up

didnt know you can do that

oh this isnt zealot chat my bad

[cold geode]

if everyone was dead, it probably took off on its own

it will kill 2 party members on damnation

if there arent 2 to kill it will disappear

[opal gyro]

Thinking of taking off warp battery for something else, but not sure what. Using a very purge and flame heavy build

[quasi grotto]

You want flak maniac usually I think, though surgical blessing also very important, but that's for zealot idk if it's different for psyker

[full egret]

This worth picking up?

[devout robin]

questionable stats, mid perks, bleed is obsolete on crowds with the speed in which you chop em up

usable at least

eats monstrosities

[full egret]

tbh just remembering when bleed was overpowering lol

I dont actually understand using a knife for hordes

[devout robin]

it swings fast enough for it to actually start clearing up stuff

otherwise you're gonna want uncanny strike on that if you want the bleed to work on big targets

[ornate hamlet]

Warp damage on crit, perhaps

[quasi grotto]

I do wish the crit aura wasnt on the far right

[hot zephyr]

It's good enough if you don't have a mark 6 knife yet and want one, and when you eventually get a better one you can rip flesh tearer off this (LVL 4 just gives 8 stacks instead of seven).

[quasi grotto]

Looks like he's got flesh tearer 3 already in his blessing bank, there's no magnifying glass

[opal gyro]

Yea, I'd get that one if I could still get shriek with it

[split oxide]

Can I use DuellingSword to Quell?

[arctic cave]

MK IV dueling sword roll anyone?

[cold geode]

No

But it will passive quell

[arctic cave]

what are the best blessings for voidstrike staff

[quasi grotto]

Surge Nexus afaik

[arctic cave]

what is akaik?

how about the perks?

[full egret]

OH WOW

I didnt even see it before

theres a surge blessing voidstrike in the store

[arctic cave]

what are the perks i want for voidstrike

[full egret]

does surge still just do the uncharged single on right click?

[quasi grotto]

Afaik = as far as I know

[arctic cave]

ahh. thanks

[potent echo]

You mean on void?

[static needle]

Is the catachan 3 knife any good for psyker compared to mk 6?

ive heard mk 6 is the better one for some reason

[potent echo]

Is 6 the new one

[full egret]

yeah

[potent echo]

With the sweeps

[full egret]

alsoe wooooooooooooooo

[potent echo]

It will copy whatever you shot out, so if you have a fully charged void ball the copy is also fully charged

[full egret]

I got a 379 from the armory, and its first blessing is a t4 warp nexus

[potent echo]

If you shoot out a lmb it will also be lmb

[full egret]

oh that great, I'm glad they fixed that

Emperor be blessed on this day

[raven basin]

You guys think reblessing brutal momentum to t4 is worth it for that 7.5% more weakspot damage or should I just change the perks instead?

[ornate hamlet]

Perks

[full egret]

brutal momentum is used for its mass negation

[potent echo]

Perks for sure

[full egret]

the weakspot bonus is just a little spice on the side

[ornate hamlet]

Having the weakspot is nice, but not worth keeping groaners and block

[potent echo]

Weakspot bonus is mostly a lie anyway

[full egret]

mhm

[potent echo]

Since it only affects the weakspot portion of your overall damage

[full egret]

its 7.5% of the percentage that weakspot damage percentage you already have

so its like, 2.5% in truth

[raven basin]

ayt, thats very helpful thank you

[full egret]

btw, disrupt destiny or warp charges for a crit voidstrike?

[ornate hamlet]

I'd still run warp charges because I don't like DD's mechanics

[full egret]

mmm. The damage is so tempting though

but warp charges are more consistent

[potent echo]

I like DD

Also it costs much less points than warp

So you can put your talents elsewhere

Also has less tax talents like puppet master

[split oxide]

is DuellingSword passive quell = normal passive quell?

[potent echo]

They tweak passive quell to be not as good anymore

[cold geode]

yes

[potent echo]

Which is fine for me, warp rider at max baby

[split oxide]

I use FS for:

• damage: WarpRider+Unstable.
• toughness regen: special+quell

[rustic wharf]

This was pain

But I made it work

[cerulean lily]

What’s the stamina +3 bug again? Above 76?

[split oxide]

xbox user?

[rugged tide]

Someone to do pick n mix penance?

[shell maple]

I got kicked in the face by a Scab Gunner

My devil claw doesnt do shit to him

[ornate hamlet]

🐝 lieve in yourself

[round coyote]

Changes?

Probably barrage right

[potent echo]

Barrage > handcannon for sure I think

[round coyote]

Barrage and infested

[round coyote]

Okay I had heard hand cannon got nerfed but probably not bad enough to warrant dusting it

[potent echo]

Infested to maniac or smth, check your BPs in the psyk

[robust sierra]

which psionics is best with scriers?

[potent echo]

Using this gun is suffering anyway

You can don't take handcannon and use melee to kill carapace

[quasi grotto]

Without surgical to proc handcannon though idk how reliable it'll be

[round coyote]

I run crit talents for my scriers gun psyker build

So not too bad I think

[quasi grotto]

[split oxide]

Isn't Infested just poxwalkers and groaners?
Using a revolver on it seems like a waste.

[tough stump]

what build can be made out of this

[round coyote]

Yeah infested is pretty dookie

[split oxide]

Refine it against Elite/Maniac/Flak/Carapace
Blessing HandCannon+Surgical?
Melee Infested.

[potent echo]

That's the bad revolver though

At least it uses trickshooter well

[split oxide]

Chained 5x Weakspots?
That's helbore accuracy; this is the faster,less accurate one, right?

[potent echo]

It's not really less accurate

But the biggest issue is that it has next to no cleave

Unlike the other one

Where you can shoot a sniper through a horde

[spice veldt]

inaccuracy during the fan + suppression sway

the new revolver is truly pain

[potent echo]

If you stand still the spread is much reduced

It's high noon

[split oxide]

I've seen someone use magdump 5 shots to down a crusher. (pointblank)

[full egret]

okay, warp charges work faaaar better for crit voidstrike than DD

[split oxide]

DD?

[full egret]

disrupt destiny

the consistency to just keep lobbing balls along with the faster domes is worth farm more than the fiuckle higher damage DD gives

[spice veldt]

DD's other benefit is having better nodes along its path and being cheaper

[tough stump]

can we kill him

as i said that

he died to falling

[spice veldt]

barrel-related accident?

[tough stump]

yep

[rare mesa]

would u take crit chance over flak

[quasi grotto]

Unfortunately I understand surge doesn't proc the rmb explosion on trauma, just the lmb fireballs

[spice veldt]

lmb spam trauma build?

[rare mesa]

ya

[spice veldt]

@feral verge help one of your kin, if you still remain awake

[ornate hamlet]

Wonder what exalted will look like

[rare mesa]

ya ur right arco

i got 1/2 thru mission

im fucking bored i left

[spice veldt]

😔

[kindred ivy]

🫳 ⚡

another auric dam HISTG win

[potent echo]

Lmb brrr

[rare mesa]

is this ok

[obsidian nimbus]

dude got the yellow rarity

went above orange

[rare mesa]

it's hdr on my monitor

makes screenshots all fuckywucky

[obsidian nimbus]

i just thought it was funny

i saw someone with red

[untold niche]

damn 4 stack ws (with surge) doesn't one tap the crusher
i started cahrging at 80 peril too

[obsidian nimbus]

yesterday

[rare mesa]

nani

[static needle]

How does kinetic flayer work with trauma staff? every enemy in the blast area will be brainbursted if it triggers?

[rare mesa]

just 1

[kindred ivy]

its useless

[rare mesa]

it's p neat when u see it proc on like

a crusher patrol

[kindred ivy]

but like in what context

[spice veldt]

kinetic flayer will also target daemonhosts if you happen to hit one with your trauma

[kindred ivy]

🤔 ig for boss killing and ogryn killing is gud

[rare mesa]

i see it as a single target dps buff

[kindred ivy]

i supose

[robust sierra]

I have yet to test so take with a grain of salt, but this ran with the columnus lets you crit on 99% of all shots and be invuln per crit during gaze (Remember, take with a grain of salt, I rarely play psyker and have yet to test this)

[spice veldt]

kinetic flayer is just horrible unless your engagements are ending in 3 seconds or less

[static needle]

I know wildfire doesnt work as you'd think but can it still be good with blaze staff?

[kindred ivy]

but for normal elile klling, u may miss 1 shot and them XD bpox burster

sometime the director lkes to fuck up with you, and will send suddenly yes ammount of maulers

if that cna help alliviate the immediate threat

but evne then,

why

[kindred ivy]

unnecessary imo on most situations, u mean purgatus (blye flame thrower) or the crit -> apply soulburn?

[static needle]

sry

i meant trauma blaze

with the blaze on crit blessing

[kindred ivy]

ig it can work

🤔 for horde clear, that shit already does big dmg

[tough stump]

what weapon is good with assail?

kinda tired of staff white flame

[tough stump]

i mean smite

[untold niche]

any weapon good with smite, its an amazing group CC ability

[tough stump]

alr then i'll focus on big dmg weapon

[kindred ivy]

revolver

any elite/special one tapper

🔫 🫳 ⚡

this is the best smite build

described

[tough stump]

the new revolver

[untold niche]

i prefer the old one

[tough stump]

good stuff

[untold niche]

i never tried new one but i heard its not as accurate

[tough stump]

it not accurate yes

but it can lash out more dmg

[untold niche]

nice, change gloryhunter to the rending blessing

[tough stump]

and what do you do with scire

[ornate hamlet]

The perfect blade doesnt ex-

[tough stump]

any build with it?

[ornate hamlet]

the blade?

or scrier?

[tough stump]

scrier

[ornate hamlet]

I use illisi with exorcist

[tough stump]

can't think a way to not

[ornate hamlet]

so that I can keep it going for longer.

[tough stump]

blow yourself up with it

[ornate hamlet]

use exorcist on illisi blade.

go HAM

[tough stump]

alr

[ornate hamlet]

use the laser rifle that does like 300dmg

use hip fire

get toughness on warpgen/quell/crit

if you are tanking, you can perpetually quell with your blitz to keep shields up longer.

just dance and quell while you are gaining AND quelling at the same time.

[kindred ivy]

how to win any mission:

🔫 🫳 ⚡

just do this

[rare mesa]

post build

[vast yew]

it's a revolver gunker build with EP smite

and creeping flames

[rare mesa]

whats ur melee

illisi?

oh wait u have smite so prolly ds4

ive never done gun psyker before

[untold niche]

oh ya delta

if i use void

do i smite the horde then void

or just use my melee to horde clear

im running illisi but tbh my dumb ass never thought of smiting to shoot void

@spice veldt what is your opinion

[vast yew]

I swap between minimum-charged void blasts to stagger stuff

and whatever melee I have equipped (usually DS4 and illisi)

staggering much less necessary with illisi

that's if the horde is right on top of you though; if it's a bit further away then you just True Aim it

also don't tell VSE but I'm experimenting with only 4 warp charges

[spice veldt]

ds4 if you want to be more rounded with smite/void yeah

at that point i'd just voidstrike or just spam lights since hordeclear is whatevs

most weapons can do it "good enough"

unless your team is getting overwhelmed constantly because of a sheer lack of horde DPS

[vast yew]

if overwhelmed and teammates are near then might be a decent idea to bust out the smite

if alone then uhhh panic

[spice veldt]

i had this culture shock game where my team just didn't have enough DPS to clear a horde and the density got to the point where we didn't really have the space to dodge and just got owned

[rotund fable]

finally, hadron didn't brick my voidstrike... now to remember what perks it needs

[vast yew]

well you want to swap Flurry to Nexus

otherwise Stamina -> whatever

Voidstrike Surge breakpoints are weird

[rotund fable]

The build i am using utilizes true-aim and assail, so flurry is better in this scenario because i can fire them off more often

[round coyote]

Been running new revolver w hand cannon and trick shooter, combat blade w mercy killer and lacerate, BB aug and Scriers and it feels GREAT.

Feel much more fragile but much more lethal.

[vast yew]

new revolver gaze is massive funny

[round coyote]

It’s so strong.

[rotund fable]

"It's High noon!"

[round coyote]

I chewed through elites and bosses more than I ever did with the other revolver.

Boss DPS is still mediocre at best, but anyway.

[rotund fable]

speaking of revolvers, i remember when i made this thing when i was a newbie.

[round coyote]

I use this on my normal one except not unarmored

I either use flak or carapace I don’t remember

[rotund fable]

back when i was still new, i assumed that the dreg rager and the reaper both counted as "Unarmored" since i didnt see any armor on them...

hence why i left the unarmored on

[round coyote]

Yeahhhh nahh. Damn shame though.

[rotund fable]

the worst part is that the perk i modified over was crit-damage level 3

because i didnt know that "Surgical" existed as a blessing at the time

[untold niche]

the recently played with doesn't work?

its empty for me

steam recentlyt played with

[kindred ivy]

wat

how

[untold niche]

yeah i have those games on defence styled missions esp
thats why i really wanted a melee weapon with good horde clear

so you DO purposely smite into void?

[chrome patrol]

doe weakened monstrosities count for malleum monstonum? and can we use the enhanced bb now or do we still have to use no skill tree for the challenge

[untold niche]

sometimes they get too close to me

[spice veldt]

i only had melee hordeclear, and the horde was aggroed onto my other teammates who just weren't killing the horde at all

[untold niche]

and i have to switch to melee

[violet oak]

People on their way to say killing fodder doesn't count for anything when they have to actually kill the fodder

[spice veldt]

and when they died one-by-one, i was left to pick up the pieces and got promptly owned

[violet oak]

(This is aimed at the speedy knife zealots who always immediately die)

[spice veldt]

mostly because of a questionable positioning error to put myself into a corner

i could've kited but i'm not fond of or used to kiting

[untold niche]

wait so sorry arco
let me rephrase
if trash horde is right up my face, and i have to solo horde.
Do i: use illisi to clear out the horde
or: right click smite into voidstrike right click little charge

[lunar hollow]

wh

how

[violet oak]

voidstrike works if you can choke the horde

[spice veldt]

they were just focusing the elites/specials

it was the smelter complex midevent

[untold niche]

if i can't / open area?

[violet oak]

illisi

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure tbh since I don't know the DPS of smite/voidstrike

if you have teammates that are alive, I'd just illisi or voidstrike

[violet oak]

When im in a shitty spot, literally surrounded by a horde, i use my sword until i have enough space to line up/funnel the horde to voidstrike

[quasi grotto]

Brain rupture and EP is fine, but idk about weakened monstrosities

[untold niche]

ah thanks

[chrome patrol]

ty ^^

[untold niche]

oh yeah, my 78 damage void staff can't one tap on SIX ws charge even with surge
like the crusher had 17-20 hp left

[chrome patrol]

would be nice to know about weakened ones would speed up things for a whole group

[quasi grotto]

You could test it for science

[untold niche]

started charging on 80 peril

[chrome patrol]

if no one can answer it i prob will

[marsh briar]

What's the best staff against flak armoured ?

[cobalt bone]

Void i suppose?

[quasi grotto]

Biggest issue I can see is that since weakened monstrosities have lower HP, stray shots from your allies might breach the 10% easier than on a standard monster

[chrome patrol]

true but there are also so many in one round

[solar sand]

.08x first target loss, still decent?

[untold niche]

if im not wrong, conensus is that the best staff is a god rolled trauma staff

[untold niche]

yeh dats pretty good
personally dont care abvout first target on my illisi

[quasi grotto]

Illisi more for horde clear anyway

[vast yew]

First target does affect the damage the rest of the targets take, IIRC

but that's still an amazing Illisi

hadron if you brick it I'll be big mad

[kindred ivy]

⛈️

[spice veldt]

nah, it's one of the more better-named things in the game

the actual gotcha is that first target on the illisi does not work on illisi's special

[vast yew]

ah I'd been told the rest of the cleave damage was a multiplier of what the first target took

seems that was mistaken

[vast yew]

also why

[spice veldt]

my guess is that illisi is mostly copying over psword's stuff

and psword doesn't have the first target stat

[vast yew]

lovely

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone try Assail/VentScream/Trauma/Warp Siphon? Great combo.

[kindred ivy]

sorry if it isnt part of what the hivemind things its good

its: trash or bad or does no damage or you get overwhelmed easelly, if it does good you are jsut abusing the mate

mate*

meta*

[ornate hamlet]

I see you're a regular here 😛

I have this name because when DT released, everyone was up in arms over voidstrike. I was the guy "Eh, purgatus is good too." "NO IT ISNT TRASH RECYCLE STICK!"

[ionic frost]

define "everyone"

purg was the "carry these newbs in damnation who can't melee" staff

[obsidian nimbus]

Curios question, Smite or Assail?

[ionic frost]

it used to stagger crushers too

[vast yew]

depends on rest of build

[ionic frost]

^

[obsidian nimbus]

i just started playing pysker so whatevers just better till i get to level 30

[ionic frost]

It's not a curious question?

[vast yew]

ah, that's Assail then

[obsidian nimbus]

thanks

[vast yew]

be warned though; if you crutch on it too hard you'll develop bad habits

as it destroys diff 1-3

but revolver + assail makes for easy leveling

[chrome patrol]

true new people use assail and think they are good and then just be a let down on higher difficulties for the team

[obsidian nimbus]

quick or ethereal?

[ionic frost]

I kinda do and don't miss old Assail, regenning faster and benefiting from hand-cannon. =(

[vast yew]

both, probably

[obsidian nimbus]

right

[ionic frost]

You could do some serious elite clear with it back then.

[chrome patrol]

old assail was too op

[ionic frost]

and 2-shot crushers

it was...

but still fun.

=)

[chrome patrol]

it was

[ionic frost]

since I quit for like 2 months before patch 13

[vast yew]

to clarify: ethereal is mandatory
quick is good but you can drop it later

once you have a weapon that you can use while assail is recharging

[ionic frost]

I stopped using revolver with psycker when assail was nerfed...but that was a fun combo for sure

[obsidian nimbus]

for now i just want a useful G ability till i get to 30

[vast yew]

also most staves are kind of butts while leveling due to having key stuff like charge speed tied to stats

[obsidian nimbus]

then ill worry about builds

[vast yew]

once you get to 30, Purgatus and Surge staves are easiest to build

[spice veldt]

staffs whose name don't have "trauma" are fine in terms of stat scaling

[ionic frost]

I kinda think they should make some blessings work with other weapons like some have in the past, makes for more build variety

even if they only give it partial benefit

[spice veldt]

and makes balancing a nightmare

[ionic frost]

hand cannon IV give assail 15% rending? i'll take it

isn't balancing already a nightmare?

[spice veldt]

no need to make it even more of a nightmare

[chrome patrol]

smite is also good tbh

[spice veldt]

it's not a binary one or the other

it's a spectrum of balancing

[vast yew]

smite is good but less good as a "main" blitz to use while leveling

[spice veldt]

and assail still benefits from handcannon if you swap to the revolver while the shards are up

[ionic frost]

should current surge staff benefit from surge +1 target talent?

[vast yew]

it's most useful for things like Rager/Mauler hordes, and you don't fight many of those

[obsidian nimbus]

i tried it but beside stopping enemies it didn't feel like it did alot of help

[chrome patrol]

true but when you level you get all sort of bad player

[ionic frost]

ooo nice, ty

[chrome patrol]

and smite helps the team

[spice veldt]

it's one of those things where you invest a little bit of apm to get old assail back

[vast yew]

smite doesn't help the team if the other 3 members are trying to figure out how to do a heavy attack

[chrome patrol]

xD

[ionic frost]

play auric damnation

[vast yew]

I do

I'm giving advice to a newbie

[chrome patrol]

i mean smite + vents you can easily demolish a whole horde

[ionic frost]

without level 40's

[ionic frost]

demolish anything with the right talents

[obsidian nimbus]

maybe but not at level 7 i aint

[vast yew]

yeah creeping flames is minimum level 13

[ionic frost]

could use thunderous combat axe to let fire kill crushers =)

melee clear suffers tho

[chrome patrol]

im not against assail i was just saying smite aint bad ^^ and at that low level you can easily smite stuff until its dead

[vast yew]

don't use thunderous on caxes

[vast yew]

okay but why

[ionic frost]

it's very niche

only for letting fire/soulblaze kill crushers

[chrome patrol]

wdym

[vast yew]

it's better with a flechette/crit Kantrael and even then it's still niche

[ionic frost]

hurts you otherwise tho

[vast yew]

smite's greatest utility is stunning elites
There aren't that many elites early on, and the ones that do exist are mostly flak, which assail still kills

[ionic frost]

yes. remember when it was +75% power from headtaker? =D

[vast yew]

no reason to use smite, especially since it'll build a bad habit of spamming smite

and you don't want to spam smite

[chrome patrol]

thats not true smite is also extremely capable of deleteing hordes even without venting shriek

[vast yew]

I remember Handcannon applying to melee attacks and making crit-zealot into a whirlwind of doom

[chrome patrol]

i used it alot recently in auric damanation

[vast yew]

it does not delete hordes

it deals like 50 dps without EP

[chrome patrol]

it does

[vast yew]

and 125 with

[kindred ivy]

👀

[vast yew]

it's the slowest horde clear option available to Psyker, and only viable as a horde clear option with Shriek spam, as Shriek at 85+ peril deals 182 dps

[kindred ivy]

is that someone

[vast yew]

which more than doubles your dps

[kindred ivy]

shittalking

fucking

SMITE?

[vast yew]

the adults are talking Maus, hush

[kindred ivy]

AM 22!

am a grown up!

[vast yew]

I thought that at 22

[kindred ivy]

🔫 🫳 ⚡

just do this

and u will win all games

there's no revolver emote

but this is very powerfull

[vast yew]

regardless; you can use Smite to horde clear, but you only want to do it on Gunker or Surge staff, and even then there's a lot of debate around it

[ionic sorrel]

Smite is great. Obviously you use your other tools, but smite is a good blitz.

[vast yew]

it is great

but it is not something you want to spam

[chrome patrol]

malice difficulty

with lvl 7 you get easy pz horde clear

[ionic frost]

game is balanced around damnation

[chrome patrol]

tbh i dont care if they take assail or smite but i dont like misinformation

[vast yew]

4 seconds to kill 5 poxwalkers is easy pz but very ineffective, especially as you went to 94% peril

[ionic frost]

i haven't played malice in 7 months...on a new toon

[vast yew]

if you want to kill 5 poxwalkers you throw 2 assail darts, and that kills 6

takes less than a second and 20% peril

[chrome patrol]

you can also stop all sorts of other threats

[vast yew]

I am aware of Smite's other benefits

[kindred ivy]

that kills all other poxwarlkers too

[chrome patrol]

and you also said its not good to kill hordes

[quasi grotto]

This was about someone new to psyker asking for what to use while leveling up tho

[vast yew]

I said it's the slowest option available

[chrome patrol]

you can anhiliate giant hordes with it in malice

[kindred ivy]

unlike other spcyher options smite shriek kills any size of horde

[untold widget]

still slow

[kindred ivy]

even in damnation

its faster.

[chrome patrol]

we are talking about new player

[kindred ivy]

cause u clear all of them at once

[untold widget]

shriek by itself clears any size hordes

[kindred ivy]

oh new plaer?

[ionic frost]

oh, 100% assail. to carry. smite you need more skill to solo carry'

[vast yew]

what giant hordes in malice

[chrome patrol]

i never seen a new player killing a horde as quick as i just did with smite

[vast yew]

a horde is like 20 guys, MAX

[kindred ivy]

oh new player

[vast yew]

There's like 2 minutes between them

[kindred ivy]

grab a stick

and press W

u win

[chrome patrol]

u are not wrong

[kindred ivy]

u dont evne need a stick

[ionic frost]

atleast tell him to set up a macro on his razer mouse to hit quell between every left click =D

[chrome patrol]

fist with knife

[severe folio]

which DT youtubers should i watch without being misinformed

[ionic frost]

me

but i'm not one

=P

[chrome patrol]

asian robot or how hes called did some good videos

[vast yew]

Chaos isn't bad, though I forget what his name is here

and by "not bad" I mean "pretty freaking good"

@plucky flax ah here he is

AgentChaos on Youtube

[ionic frost]

any specific questions you want to ask here/voice? I may be inclined to take an apprentice

[severe folio]

well

just want to know which content creator i should watch

[kindred ivy]

me

i play minecraft

[ionic frost]

o

[kindred ivy]

on twitch

[ionic frost]

idk then

[kindred ivy]

for DT?

i dont nkow

[ionic frost]

but you may get more benefit watching me =P

[kindred ivy]

and then again i abandoned my twitch

[obsidian nimbus]

Yeah i think i did alot more with assail than smite this go around

[ionic sorrel]

I second this, he streams a lot so you can see that his builds work.

[kindred ivy]

wait untill u find out that guns can kill everything and does not require peril

[chrome patrol]

yea he also made many good starter videos

[vast yew]

One key thing to keep in mind with assail: it generally only homes in on targets you look at
So fire a few darts, pan your mouse over a few enemies, repeat

[chrome patrol]

dodging blocking etc

[kindred ivy]

in fact, u can even go further, and play classes that dont have peril at all

[obsidian nimbus]

yeah i thought they'd have stronger homing

[kindred ivy]

[ionic frost]

don't u dare nerf my columnus psycker

[obsidian nimbus]

guess not

[vast yew]

if you just fire into the air it won't hit anything

[quasi grotto]

The wile spice had a good newbie video that helped me a lot when I was new to the game. Idk about his other stuff tho

[kindred ivy]

amongus

[vast yew]

also Assail right-click (the little "javelin throw") got buffed and is pretty good for taking out long-range targets

you can see what it'll target via a blue glow, similar to Brain Burst

[ionic frost]

especially with the middle capstone letting it hit 6 targets...

[ionic sorrel]

Wild spice is also good.

[obsidian nimbus]

yeah im an idiot but i know that thanks xD