psyker-class

[untold niche]

AND*

and then i keep spamming balls

[harsh urchin]

you just treat surge as a bonus

[obtuse moth]

surge basically procs all the time if you're going through a few heads, but yeah like dis said play like you dont crit

[untold niche]

at that specific charge %

[harsh urchin]

and play normally

[bleak tulip]

like dreg gunners you might have to, but dont if you have true aim stacks and know you get a crit

its a whole experience thing

[harsh urchin]

sometimes surge procs and everything dies

and you kill like 10 shotgunners

on the feed

[untold niche]

yeah i do that
its very hard to take note when my next shot is confirmed crit even though i have the buff in the center of my screen :v

[harsh urchin]

sometimes you kill them one by one

[obtuse moth]

true aim is stronk though, just switch to your backup charge % when its not happening

[obtuse moth]

just go by feel or play without it

[untold niche]

do you guys take note when your next shot is a crit?

[harsh urchin]

no

[untold niche]

in intense situation its hard to always look there

[harsh urchin]

i already have too mcuh shit to worry about

in darktide

[obtuse moth]

if you pretend to play without it, you'll kill 4x as much when it procs

[harsh urchin]

just play like you're not critting

and sometimes it'll proc and kill everything

[untold niche]

ok but thank u guys, thats why sometime i just type random questions here

Knowing these kinda things makes the game more fun by making it more easy

[obtuse moth]

only people who keep note are the ones who fish for true aim with melee or left mouse clicks afaik

[harsh urchin]

voidstrike is actually a pretty skill based weapon

[obtuse moth]

or other mechanics like surge/smite nonsense

[untold niche]

with what context? knowing how much to charge?
headshots are quite easy seeing the enemy is an AI that moves predictably and have somewhat same head level

[harsh urchin]

no just like

in general

i think there's quite a decent amount of

[obtuse moth]

all the variables we just talked about lol

[harsh urchin]

interactability

with the build

[obtuse moth]

literally everything we just outlined

[harsh urchin]

compared to something like

plasma vet

or surge psyker

[obtuse moth]

i still find void boring tho

[harsh urchin]

or book spam zealot

[obtuse moth]

its so strong

[untold niche]

main thing i got out of that convo is

1. you can little charge on mobs, don't need 50%
2. should figure out thresholds rather than just full charge everytime on elites

[harsh urchin]

ye i've been doing assail+vs+dd

it's a bit more fun than

bubble+vs+wc

there's more things to do

[untold niche]

im doing vent + dd + voidstrike (and ofc smite)

[harsh urchin]

bubble+vs+wc is strong but so boring

[harsh urchin]

try assail

instead of smite

it's pretty fun

[bleak tulip]

what for lol

I found myself never using it

[harsh urchin]

easier to do shooter rooms

than with vs

[bleak tulip]

idk I just click

[untold niche]

with assail i can't take the peril damage reduction
and idk i don't like how assail feels

[bleak tulip]

assail is boring as fuck

[harsh urchin]

o i think smite is way more boring

[long stone]

Assail is sleepy tier

[harsh urchin]

but to each his own

[long stone]

Same with smite

[bleak tulip]

yeah but I also dont use smite more than maybe once a match

[untold niche]

yeah thats why i hardly use it xD

[bleak tulip]

its just there as a pub safety net

[quaint burrow]

shame it's not a Mk IV

[bleak tulip]

if my pub team knows what theyre doing I literally dont use my blitz once

[untold niche]

i only use it when i realized i didnt use it at all the previous game and need to remind myself that "hey you have this mixed horde panic button, try to use it"

[bleak tulip]

thats why I keep saying I wish they let me just not take a blitz and gave me a free talent point

I would actually do that

all blitzes are either bad or boring

[untold niche]

i think smite is boring because its basically a grenade you need to channel

[bleak tulip]

smite is kind of both bad and boring

but it has a function at least

and I get better follow up talents going through smite than assail too

which is nice

well

one talent

[long stone]

Assail is brainless bad game design

[ornate hamlet]

Cept you can spam it

You can just go through whole damnation missions just using smite and callouts

[half iron]

every day i wake up
28 plasteel

[quartz barn]

Play more regular damn i guess

Gives about 700 per run

Dont expect mission clears however, those teams are something else

[half iron]

let me be sad. do not give advice. the 41st millenium is a dark and unforgiving universe.

[quartz barn]

Meanwhile i still dont have blaze t4 on trauma

I think im 12k plasteel in?

Prob more tbh

[half iron]

i don’t either😢

[quartz barn]

I did figure out a way to semi force it

Make the other blessing be a different t4

So you have a higher chance of getting blaze / whatever you want to unlock

[obtuse moth]

play quickplay, you should get 770+

not uncommon to get over 800 plasteel

[quartz barn]

850 max, 10% bonus

[obtuse moth]

805 is the most ive seen without the bonus, but usually 800. would make max 880ish with 10%

[unkempt light]

That's what I do, and I fully admit that Big E Takes The Wheel in so far as who I get Matchmake'd with

Most of the time it's okay but sometimes you just get that one Pub who has their "Go there" ping bound to their Scroll Wheel, pinging on literally nothing for a minute straight

[potent echo]

I got 875 once

[obtuse moth]

its just the stupid double tap location ping feature tehy added

[summer prairie]

805 is max without quickplay bonus unless there's some bug

[obtuse moth]

probably a ported feature from controller lol

[unkempt light]

It sounded like they had it on 1-tap, tbh

[potent echo]

You can disable it in the options in case you didn't know

[obtuse moth]

thanks, its that its on by default for every player launching the game that i have issue with

[summer prairie]

LessAnnoyingPing probably helps with that too

[bleak tulip]

I guess thats a mentality thing, most players wont be aware they added that feature if its off by default, for players that are aware and used to the old behabiour its just annoying

kind of a catch 22 of adding new features

the way they did it is probably generally the better way

[potent echo]

The cursed way to force players to know is to forcefully unbind it

[bleak tulip]

because it implicitly informs players of the feature

[potent echo]

I wonder how console players can deal with this

[bleak tulip]

wdym, it probably works the same there

or you just mean multilpe functions on the same key

[potent echo]

They have an options menu to disable the double tap ping?

[bleak tulip]

I would assume so yeah

console games still have options menus you know lol

they even sometimes have some more rudimentary graphics menus nowadays where they can select out of a few levels of performance presets

[potent echo]

Unthinkable

My last console was a ps2

[bleak tulip]

usually called something like "FPS" or "Visual quality"

the latter often locks fps to like 30 but pushes for more fidelity

also accessibility features are big nowadays

[potent echo]

There still isn't yet any first party impaired hearing options besides subtitles

Or Minecraft with their directional ping

[calm lotus]

decent illisi sitting in brunt's?

[potent echo]

Decent but not something you would want to upgrade

[calm lotus]

oh ffs not again

[potent echo]

Low mobility means you get 1 less dodge

[calm lotus]

i dont want raking

[potent echo]

You can swap raking and it's decentish

Keep elites and get flak/maniac

[calm lotus]

also out of curiosity is punishing salvo literally just worse

[spice veldt]

sustained fire has a gotcha in the form that the "+damage%" it gives is not the +damage% that you expect

the damage boost it gives only scales off of the base damage that you deal, irrespective of whether you hit a weakspot or crit

[lunar hollow]

also it's 2nd 3rd and 4th

iirc

[calm lotus]

good old fatshark

[spice veldt]

so, let's say your attack deals 100 base damage and 200 damage on a crit

if you hit a bodyshot with sustained fire active, the enemy takes 120 damage; so far so good

but if you hit a crit bodyshot with sustained fire active, the enemy takes 220 damage instead of the 240 that you expect

[lunar hollow]

the raking fire problem

😔

(old raking fire anyways)

[spice veldt]

wha

oh

thank god

[potent echo]

Does anyone even take raking

Like why

[summer prairie]

not great alternatives on the new laspistol, not sure if infernus is better for bosses

[potent echo]

You can't hit head "from behind"

[summer prairie]

well one of the bosses

[potent echo]

Technically you can if you are at like 95° but it's so cursed

Well bonbon dies anyway

[quasi grotto]

idk if this is salvagable. also not sure how to use it vs illisi

[obtuse moth]

oof that mobility

[quasi grotto]

Ikr

[obtuse moth]

you basically spam heavies at heads

you can combo heavy into alt attack

on headshots, its quick instant followup that staggers mutants, crushers,maulers etc

although generally unnecessary on mutants unless you have nowhere to dodge

its for single target and it slides around like nobody's business

if you use rampage im told a tip for proccing it is to use the push attack

[bleak tulip]

prob rampage to shred and unyielding to maniac would be what I'd do

youll be short a dodge but hey

at least you can do damage

also the combo is more alt attack into heavy, the other way around doesnt give you the same speed

but alternating is still a thing you can and should do

with some damage buffs you should be able to one shot muties on headshots with +maniac and those rolls

so you shouldnt even have to dodge, you can just stand there and poke em if you want

[untold niche]

i like ds4 but i can't handle the abysmal horde clear :v

[bleak tulip]

thats what the staff is for?

all of them except surge I guess

another reason to not respect surge staff

[untold niche]

yeh but with void sometime its not enuf
Maybe if i still have trouble after trying out the tips you guys say i will send a clip and ask again

[barren dome]

Blazing spirit + surge void with true aim does some work O.o

[vestal fulcrum]

Blazing Spirit is arguably not a good blessing for Void in the current patch

But Surge certainly is

[long stone]

Why did they take away shotguns from psyker?

[vestal fulcrum]

Psykers never had shotguns, hadn’t they?

[long stone]

In beta they did

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, which one, the pre order one?

[clear heath]

before that

[long stone]

Yee

[cold geode]

The October betA

[long stone]

I could see gunkers do some cool shit with them

[quasi grotto]

ranged damage to maniac yeah?

or carapace?

[long stone]

Carapace

[heady palm]

Worth grabbing from Melk? not my usual melee weapon

[eager mantle]

I mean. It's not the most ideal melk purchase. If you're looking for some fun with a chainsword and you don't have one, could be worse.

[static needle]

ive heard that the perk for ranged weakspot dmg is bad, is this true even on guns?

[eager mantle]

If so, it's probably calculated like crit damage. So probably bad

[heady palm]

wont bother then ty

[eager mantle]

If it had a lvl 4 blessing and no groaner dmg I would've had no issues

[summer prairie]

too bad it's the obscurus

[gloomy magnet]

[quartz barn]

Atleast its rating is only 307

[honest wadi]

Lol theres a Twitchstreamer in my group that thinks himself more important than anyone else god im glad i stopped streaming 2 years ago the quality has really gone down

[ionic needle]

that would be a fun illisi

[honest wadi]

Is just me or is Psyker painful too level

[sullen bobcat]

Psyker definitely gets a lot better after leveling and working on good weapons

[plucky flax]

Psyker so bad pls buff

3 psykers 1 ogryn in maelstrom

[honest wadi]

I wish the game would let build around not having to swap weapons and play purely range on its what is killing me every time when i play a ranged char

[sullen bobcat]

Warhammer even in tabletop is melee heavy

[static needle]

you have 2 smites and an ogryn, you'll be fine xD

[sullen bobcat]

Psyker is great. Not sure what you're complaining about

[honest wadi]

Im someone who want total build freedom in every game and im naturally not good being a jack of all trades i do well when i can hyperspecialse

[sullen bobcat]

I don't think this game will ever really move away from being a melee/range hybrid

It'd lose its identity and become a L4D2 clone

Except with more things shooting back

[proven stirrup]

It's also just be less of a game

Melee being an option is something that gives the game diversity in encounters

[obtuse moth]

you can totally play psyker without ever using your melee weapon

in a lot of builds lmao

[proven stirrup]

Wanting it to just be a shooter isn't really a great play

[idle bay]

We need a step up in quality of paid cosmetics. And more helmets with voice change!

[proven stirrup]

There's enough "just shooters" out there

[obtuse moth]

learn to slide, and quell cancel etc

smite, purge, trauma, assail, void all let you ignore your melee weapon

assail was so overtuned you never even had to use you ranged weapon before its rebalance

smite is still that broken but also a terrible playstyle

[proven stirrup]

Smite being compared to assail in power level is one of the most cooked takes I've seen in a while

[ornate hamlet]

Bleed Psy?

[proven stirrup]

Smite does negative damage, assail did absurd damage

[obtuse moth]

its not compared in power level

its compared in 'do i ever need to swap to melee if i don't want to'

because thats what they were complaining about

[proven stirrup]

This entire topic is asinine to begin with but that's not really a point to make either

[obtuse moth]

smite doesn't do negative damage anyway, it just needs to be used properly

[proven stirrup]

Smite is a hard CC tool that does nothing else better than that.

Yes it does some damage but it's not the reason you run it

Weapons, however, do damage. That's the point of them. To compare the use cases is a bit silly even in the context of "I wish I didn't have to think about melee".

[obtuse moth]

you use smite for incredibly density, not when theyre running in for free melee autos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOmLUfNMw4

[honest wadi]

more like the ability to go pure range, pure melee or hybrid build where you basically tailor the character so that it fits your personal perference

[proven stirrup]

That's perfectly possible

For all classes

It's easier to lean in one direction or another for some in relative terms

Like obviously an ogryn or zealot is gonna have a better time playing a pure melee setup than the others

But it's perfectly reasonable to give that a shot on a psyker too, you just have to be able to pilot the build well in the end.

[honest wadi]

i had a lot of sucess with gunlugger ogryn im like heavy artillery support

[proven stirrup]

Well yeah, everything can go guns lmao

Melee is just inherently spookier so the squishier classes have to git gudder to see success there

[honest wadi]

to exact im playing it as like supression build my aim will never be that good

[obtuse moth]

you dont really have to aim trauma, purge, assail, smite

when you're overwhelmed with void you can still just aim it at your feet

this isn't really a game design issue, just a experience/build/skill issue

[cobalt atlas]

Is it me or Empowered psyker is very very weird

The middle keystone

[obtuse moth]

not only do they not require aiming at heads to land hits, they dont even require aiming for center mass to hit something

[cobalt atlas]

Like warp siphon can do most of the stuff better

[obtuse moth]

empowered is v strong in certain circumstances

for assail empowered is absolutely better with empowered

it doesnt say but you actually hit 6 targets not 3

and if you get charges on elites

its infinite shards of doom

empowered can be nice for brain rupture too

its strictly worse imo on smite

[cobalt atlas]

Asaii right now doesn't feel great for Auric 5 but that's just personal opinion

Except running Gun Psyker

[obtuse moth]

runs perfectly fine for auric 5

ive used assail really well on hardmode twins too

you just eed a strategy for carapace

[proven stirrup]

That's the point of how this game is built. You need to have multiple tools for different jobs. No one thing can do everything with no downsides. That's grounds for nerfs.

[obtuse moth]

i exclusively play auric

[proven stirrup]

Jesus, lay off the cocaine

How do you have any brainpower left for anything outside of that?

I've played exactly one auric mission and haven't bothered since lmao

[worn cypress]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven stirrup]

Shit's absolutely overwhelming to me

[cobalt atlas]

Auric 5 is pretty neat

[worn cypress]

I play aurics at the end of the day once my brain is dead

[cobalt atlas]

Once you learn enough, it's the only mode that is fun

[worn cypress]

let your instincts carry you

[proven stirrup]

Like it's fun but I can't play them constantly, it's literally exhausting

[worn cypress]

non-aurics are too boring

[kindred ivy]

smite is best

[cobalt atlas]

I mean if I'm running Smite, I would just do Warp Siphon because how much Peril Generation Reduction it give

[kindred ivy]

smite is great

i fucking love smite

smite

i will smite

smite is soo fucking good

imma fucking SMITE

[cobalt atlas]

But Asaii just weird at the moment, Used to be the hordes clearing but FS want it to be an elite killer but I can't get it to one shot elite

25% Peril Generation for just 1 elite and can't even do it's job just feel weird

[proven stirrup]

I've had it one shot elites just fine. It just takes high peril

[worn cypress]

I dont not like smite but I will hand it in to get back my old surge staff 😭

[proven stirrup]

"old" in what way?

Bugged?

[worn cypress]

pre talent tree patch

[proven stirrup]

??? What was so good about it back then?

[kindred ivy]

i fucking love smite

[worn cypress]

I like how it plays better

[kindred ivy]

smite them

its pretty good

ZAP

🫳 ⚡

[worn cypress]

get a room sir

[cobalt atlas]

It's pretty good if you have Zealot/Veteran that is built properly

[proven stirrup]

I don't know what you mean so I'll take your word for it

I didn't mess with surge much pre talent trees

But that's mostly because it felt like trash then and hasn't notably changed in mechanics so like

I have no idea what there is to prefer

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge is much different from what it used to be and what it is now

[cobalt atlas]

this stupid talent just make my life so much easier

[proven stirrup]

Could have fooled me

[near drift]

How does deflector on force swords feel with kinetic deflection, hot enough to justify the blessing or nah

[cobalt atlas]

You mean this blessing?

[obtuse moth]

honestly its pretty boring at this point, its for farming mats. maelstrom is the only interesting one and twins hardmode

[near drift]

Ye

[proven stirrup]

How are you asking someone to "feel" something for you?

[obtuse moth]

ive been typing in a auric hishock this whole time

[cobalt atlas]

I would say it's pretty Quality-of-Life Blessing

I load my Psyker with 3 Block Cost Reduction Curios, then deflector 3 and 1 BCR Perk

Nothing can break my block

[lofty meteor]

when your team doesnt mind feeding the gun psyker ammo

[near drift]

I could say "prior usage/experience with a general value judgement" but that's a bit wordy

[cobalt atlas]

The only downside is that you need to stare at the gunner/people shooting you it seem

[plucky flax]

We did it 2 smites psyker op. I nearly had 1mil damage (xd)

[near drift]

I haven't gotten lucky with that blessing drop yet so I was hoping it was a full 360 coverage on ranged fire as well, dang it

[cobalt atlas]

Yea I was hoping to build a right click block all sword at first

But I still use it since it's a deimos force sword and it did well with my burn(Purgatus) staff

(My Veteran friend are still complaining in the background that he can't see shit)

[fading depot]

Aurics fun

[junior linden]

whats your smite build? new to endgame psyker (aka only class I havent invested plasteel into yet)

[fading depot]

And if you keep playing them you get so good at the game that anything less is easy breezy

[plucky flax]

I'm still stuck in sedition.

[junior linden]

yeah just now noticed the other players' item levels

[ornate hamlet]

Man, playing Veteran after being on the Zealot/Psyker grind made me realize how slow the Vet dodge can feel.

Guess it's the payment for having the overpowered shout.

[junior linden]

ive been playing zealot because vet and ogryn were too easy, and zealot is ALSO easy but my god I love that new evis

[ornate hamlet]

I love the new Chainsword. The new evis is good too, ye.

[junior linden]

ive still gotta try the new chainsword too

[plucky flax]

The old chainaxe on zealot is so sick now.

Rip and tear.

[ornate hamlet]

New 1h chinsword is my favorite now; clears hordes as well as the heavy swords/catachan swords, but it has the ability to eat maulers/crushers in low numbers compared to the dinky heavy sword just bopping them on the nose for 300 hits

The new Eviscerator gives me Exec swords flashbacks too.

Good heavy/overhead, horde clear left clicks, and the same slow, cumbersome dodge.

[ionic sorrel]

"I channel the best warp, my friend the Emperor says I channel the best warp. All the people always come up to me and say, wow, you channel that best warp. I say, I know, I channel warp the best."

[ornate hamlet]

I need to try the chain axes now. I remember trying them on release and they felt like trash

since they got stuck on like, everything

[plucky flax]

Old chainaxe lights stick but is much faster now and does good damage.

Heavies diagonal sweeps for horde clear.

[ornate hamlet]

Also man I'm gonna get cancer from this Auric Maelstrom

mostly ranged enemies

🤢

[severe folio]

couldnt beat those 2 lol

[misty cypress]

empowered is nice to use consistently for the toughness replenishment for teamates on the middle perk, most effective with assail to proc all three charges quickly

[ionic sorrel]

Use Assail with the crit to dodge ranged, toss a few Assail at ranged while you run up on them and stab them.

[ornate hamlet]

ye
been trying out a lot of stuff recently ( like Smite and the new heavy laspistol )

Love the new heavy laspistol too tbh

[cobalt atlas]

I never get to see the impact of that consistently

Maybe because the only time I would notice it, meant we are winning hard ald

[quasi grotto]

Trying out the trauma staff, I'm liking it a lot actually but it's kinda rough if your teammates aren't sticking together

[misty cypress]

yeah it requires an active focus on it. I sometimes run it with assail and when my team is getting hammered I spam three shards for an instant 45% toughness to my teamates. One could argue that my time was better spent smiting the enemies in that moment though

[cobalt atlas]

Unironically hating on the new shard right now

It was pubstomping anything that is not auric so they need to nerf it

[ornate hamlet]

What shard, the new mission?

[cobalt atlas]

Shard of Pain Assaii

[ornate hamlet]

oic

[ionic sorrel]

Shard of hatred

[cobalt atlas]

Shard of I can't clear hordes effectively and I can't kill elites effectively without crits

[ionic sorrel]

I swap between melee and the shard when clearing horde. I have the perks that up warp damage via non warp kills, can get true aim for when elites show up, crits give more warp damage, can hover around 70 peril for more overall damage.

I have a cleaving devils claw sword and a revolver.

[misty cypress]

would be nice if you could rapid deploy the aimed shard for a quick followup on elites. The peril cost is already enough to balance it, not like it would be spammed

[kindred ivy]

i uh use smite

smite is pretty good

71 special killed 👌

[ionic sorrel]

Smite is in a nice place, especially with venting shriek so you can have it going longer and set a room on fire.

[kindred ivy]

its pretty strong

especially since it can melt the lower HP elites

like shotgunners

and lower hp specials

[obtuse moth]

empowered assail clears hordes quite well, and you can guarantee crits with true aim

[ionic sorrel]

I love playing with a smite Psyker. Y'all are great.

[kindred ivy]

🙏

[kindred ivy]

i found it to be laking, it clears hordes well untill it reaches a peak, after which point it instnalty fucks up

[ionic sorrel]

I just really like running around like a crazy person with my dc sword.

[cobalt atlas]

I know that we can always get guarantee crits with Assaii but these moment is what tilt me

[obtuse moth]

you can completely cancel the aftercast animation if you swap out of assail and then back

[cobalt atlas]

Charged Assaii decided to not crit at that specific moment

[obtuse moth]

you can also hit bulwarks with lock-on and then throwing it upwards

[misty cypress]

dc sword?

[ionic sorrel]

Devils claw

[misty cypress]

I don't want to rely on tech for something to be good, but I'll try it

[ionic sorrel]

I think mk4, the one that does a overhead and side sweep for heavy attacks.

[cobalt atlas]

Didn't empowered stuck to 3 shots and either extra chances per kill or guarantee elite kill

[obtuse moth]

tbh in generall its better to spam the regular ones

[misty cypress]

do you spam heavies with it? and when do you parry? I honestly don't know how to best use dc. I don't like the damage of it, seems low

[obtuse moth]

ye but having shots that cost no shards or peril and kill 6 things is quite strong and generates a decent amount of charges on its own

[misty cypress]

I just meant in cases where you have to pick out specific elites and specialists out of a crowd

[ionic sorrel]

Parry is good for ragers, crushers, maulers, stuff like that. Usually I'll use my overhead on elites or green glowing dude, sweep the horde, dodge back toss two Assail, go in and start swinging till I'm back down to 70 peril.

[cobalt atlas]

What about Disrupt destiny in that case

You're kinda guarantee with Crits Damage and Weakspot damage with Asaii

[misty cypress]

cool ill try it out. been wanting to do more melee with psyker, I like the idea of the non warp kill perk synergy

[obtuse moth]

disrupt destiny is fun and has decent synergy with assail though its still slow, you're mostly relying on the extra charges from headshots

[cobalt atlas]

Also Cruel Fortune

[obtuse moth]

rather than it hitting before a teammate kills it

and expect all your stacks to drop between fights

so it has ramp up

[ionic sorrel]

It's pretty fun, when you get all those perks going even light Assail is hitting hard. It's fun being up in melee and killing people with your sword while your Assail is flying around also killing people.

[misty cypress]

I rarely see people use disrupt destiny and ive been wanting to. Is the increased timer better than increased stacks?

[ionic sorrel]

If you get hit, dodge back, toss a few Assail and the warp kills and crits will fill up your toughness again.

I also use bubble for a playpen.

[cobalt atlas]

hmm

[misty cypress]

i wanna see if crucian roullete on the the revolver works with assail. like it does with throwing knives on zealot. probably not since you actually pull assail out like a separate weapon

[cobalt atlas]

I might give Empowered one more try after this with Assaii Gun Psyker

Last time, the most consistent problem was not generating enough Stacks to use it properly

Despite getting a lot of kills in game

[misty cypress]

what blessings do you like on dc? i feel like rampage would be a must

[obtuse moth]

probably depends on density and how long fights are in addition to the time between them

[cobalt atlas]

I would get cap out on Disrupt Destiny in Auric more often than not but Empowered just never because it was on Use Charge Basis

[obtuse moth]

in high density long fights the increased stacks is strong

[ionic sorrel]

I think I have devastating strike and wrath. Getting a bunch of quick kills to empower my Assail. There are probably better options.

[ionic sorrel]

Rampage would be cool, I need to look into getting that.

[tardy stump]

how bad is purge for twins fight? i only havent done the hard mode fight on my psyker and i am trying to find a build against them

for boss dmg i saw ppl running scrier melee

[cobalt atlas]

Hard Mode Twins with Psyker just feel like you're useless 80% of the time

[tardy stump]

well assuming team covers boss dmg

which build is most effective against elites

trauma?

[cobalt atlas]

Probably Trauma or Surge + Smite

[tardy stump]

havent used surge before (havent played too much psyker in general), its good against armored elites?

i assume it only struggles against crushers?

[ionic sorrel]

I disagree with feeling useless.

[cobalt atlas]

The only problem with Surge Staff is just low DPS against multiple Crusher

They spawn like 3-6 Crusher at a time and you need atleast 4 Charge to kill one

kinda take too long

[tardy stump]

why is everyone posting scoreboards that are not updated

0 boss dmg

that shit was updated the day stage came out

[cobalt atlas]

I mean, there's better damage option and people just aren't doing enough damage

Potential wise, Psyker weak af until you run gun psyker bursting down shield probably

[ionic sorrel]

Dueling sword for the bosses and big damage, surge staff to give people breathing room, Assail for hordes, bubble to give a spot for the team to hide.

[gloomy magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/853892024879808513.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tardy stump]

he wasnt able to race ogryn boss dmg but

as you can see there

melee scrier psyker

did decent boss dmg

^ i dont wanna do like this hence why

i am asking for a useful build against them

[tardy stump]

in my 25-30 wins against hardmode twins, only had 2 or 3 psykers

people gave up on using psykers i guess

[ionic sorrel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9adc7c2b-c973-4a3d-b0fb-72e5684c5ff8/onlychild

I've known people who did well with this build.

Build is not by me.

[plucky flax]

Knife/ds4 assail laspistol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvaenOLrY9A

[patent wing]

uncanny strike vs unyielding good?

[vestal fulcrum]

Depends on the weapon, but most weapons don’t struggle against Unyielding very much

[patent wing]

thinking of soul blaze actually

desperately trying to get some boss dmg on pskyer

it works well vs carapace

[proven stirrup]

Load in
Mission start
Teams triggers DH, everyone wipes

I give up

[flint plover]

I always think of that as the warmup round

[proven stirrup]

I think of that as the "I'm uninstalling this circus simulator" round

[tardy stump]

time to do some thammer zealot runs

[flint plover]

Maybe spend less time at the Carnival

[proven stirrup]

My psyker is the only character capable of running anything past malice

[flint plover]

I can only promise you that once you reach Damnation, everything gets easier

[tardy stump]

trust

when i dont see a dh during my runs, i get depressed when using thammer

[proven stirrup]

It certainly does not

Yeah, competency goes up, that guarantees nothing

I can handle damnation just fine but I don't always want that pressure

And I don't always want to play my psyker either

The gear on my other characters is blue at best and while I can generally function well enough, I feel weak as shit

[flint plover]

Then yeah man, maybe go play a chill game for a minute

[tardy stump]

[proven stirrup]

Nothing I do is going to make other players not braindead

So yeah, away I go

[flint plover]

I understand, but like I said in Damnation I get a much higher percent of players that are not braindead

[proven stirrup]

And yet again, that guarantees shitall

[flint plover]

very true

it's an online game, there are no guarantees

[proven stirrup]

Fact of it is, I just need a break from this court jester talent competition

[patent wing]

theres only one gamemode, and its auric maelstrom

[plucky flax]

You mean sedition low intensity?

[flint plover]

I feel like stardew valley is more intense

[flint plover]

that's bullshit

Discord for emotional support?

ha

[violet oak]

emotional damage

[kindred ivy]

i fucking love smite

[violet oak]

UI gore

[kindred ivy]

its the basic ui

i just like how much dmg it does

also cheesing moster doors

[digital narwhal]

Activate Windows

Oh sorry, wait

Ativar o Windows

[ornate minnow]

lmaoo

[digital narwhal]

[violet oak]

Gronds wisdom is infinite

[digital narwhal]

[flint plover]

i wish you could put that killstreak mod counter somewhere else

super distracting in the middle of the screen

[kindred ivy]

final score

[violet oak]

... killstreak counter mod? in a horde killer game?

bruh?

[flint plover]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[violet oak]

Thats not going to look good at the golden throne homie

[kindred ivy]

3.244 kill total, i did 1.3k

[bleak tulip]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10

[plucky flax]

Rip plasteels

[calm lotus]

ANOTHER FUCKING RAKING FIRE COLUMNUS

WHAT THE FUCK

I FUCKING HATE IT HERE

ABOUT 200 THOUSAND DOCKETS AND SEVERAL THOUSAND PLASTEEL

AND FUCK ME

[willow escarp]

you will take a second mortgage and like it

[devout robin]

that dumdum raking fire run is pretty pogged out ngl

[calm lotus]

lets hope this one i just got lucky with is better

this one could be the best

or it could have raking fire again

[strong gulch]

I did the same. Every box and corner that I ran too was already empty. I also let too many critters tickle me. 😭

[calm lotus]

either way its gonna be another couple games worth of plasteel

[flint plover]

huh. Didn't know you could move modded elements with that. ty

[plucky flax]

The damage

[strong gulch]

Maybe wait until tomorrow? I swear hadron picks a blessing of the day and is heavy handed with that one blessing. (this is not based on data, only unhealthy feels and coping 😭 )

[willow escarp]

this is your “khornate chainaxe build tearing it up” video I’ve got on YouTube rn right?

[plucky flax]

Yeah that's moi. Pls no flame

[willow escarp]

wow never ❤️

[strong gulch]

True! Ragers kept running into trauma's danger circle.

[calm lotus]

i would be fine with raking if it has 2 things i do want

[near wyvern]

It's BiS for monstrosity DPS tho

[calm lotus]

at this point i refuse to use raking

this is between me and the game

[near wyvern]

Dumdum + Raking Fire + gaze and you can fart on Nurgle

[patent wing]

always build like ur teams all dead

[strong gulch]

Skincare for bonbon

[spring terrace]

has anyone tried an assail/surge staff build with disrupt destiny

ive been playing it it recently and it kicks ass

[obtuse moth]

if you specifically don't want raking fire for the second blessing and you're farming blessings, bless the first slot with it. you can rebless it to something else later

[calm lotus]

?

i'm just trying to get a columnus for normal use

[echo island]

anyone here running the Vraks headhunter gun for gunsyker?

I didnt know this thing was so good at collecting that DD

[obtuse moth]

hard mode twins

[echo island]

what build? Soulblaze? Voidstrike surge?

[obtuse moth]

that was assail void creeping flames

surge staff works fine too

[echo island]

ah yes

[obtuse moth]

i just used my pokey stick on the boss

[echo island]

one day Ill finally have surge on my void

[eager mantle]

I would probably try if I got a better one but it had low stab and didn't like it

[echo island]

I found it quite accurate, what?

U meant ur gun has low stab?

[obtuse moth]

i found the staves worked better for me than laspistol/revolver, and for some reason this one fight i liked trauma less

sounds like theyre saying their vraks has low stability yea

[echo island]

full charge rmb is a sniper fr

[cobalt atlas]

Your teammate rocking weird weapons for the boss fight

Laspistol and shotgun

[patent wing]

no since i play psyker to deal with 6 crushers at once

[cobalt atlas]

But yea Surge Staff is pretty good on the fight

[patent wing]

ik i like it too but not against crusher gang

[cobalt atlas]

Just everyone else does stuff potentially better

[crude cape]

im being mean here but....
I don't think ive ever played a game where ive seen so many wrong people posting on reddit constantly....and willingly giving out advice like they know what they're talking about. More than any game ive ever played. Maybe its the fragmented information and esoteric nature of the games systems and descriptions?

this is just an example but....bad blessing/weapon MK suggestions, incorrect build interactions, plain wrong advice, misunderstanding mechanics etc etc. its RAMPANT on reddit, yet they are also the same people always giving out advice

[tardy stump]

i wish you had the scoreboard updated so we could see the boss dmg as well

[obtuse moth]

i ended up liking my nexus surge voidstrike more than surge, one person for some reason thought you needed flurry to cast fast enough to use void in that fight but i found it a non issue

[cobalt atlas]

Stop going to Reddit

[echo island]

where did they even got this info from

[patent wing]

this is true tho?

[cobalt atlas]

He’s not wrong though, you could cast it at 99%

[echo island]

U can literally go to meatgrinder and test it out, bb makes u go boom all the time

[thorn cedar]

96.9%

[cobalt atlas]

And not bomb

[crude cape]

i just surf it when bored working, tbh. Also news/memes.
but the misinformation on their is SO MUCH. Just gotta read a build/question thread 1 time and you will see dozens and dozens of just plain factually wrong bad advice about the game

[echo island]

yeah yeah he was right on a technicality type shit

[obtuse moth]

i did an update check before that fight and it didnt say the base scoreboard mod had an update available

[tardy stump]

regular scoreboard isnt being updated anymore

[echo island]

but thats not what they're insinuating in that comment

[tardy stump]

ovenproof one is

[cobalt atlas]

You can technically “trigger” brain burst at high peril until it was actually 100% isn’t it without exploding

[echo island]

They're saying just spam BB and youll never explode, kinda like how Smite is

[obtuse moth]

do you just rip out old scoreboard?i thought ovenproof was a plugin tbh

[tardy stump]

you still need regular one to use ovenproof fyi, just gonna disable plugins tab ingame in the regular scoreboard so only ovenproof stats show up

example here

a sec

[crude cape]

the safe point is 97%, which is what the guy was referring to. It was on a post of a guy BB a boss and he was quelling from 100-> 0 instead of just doing quick quells and BB again at high peril.
The guy giving the advice understood the basics of what he was saying, but didn't know 97% was the threshhold

not a huge deal, people make mistakes

[tardy stump]

that psyker was running scrier melee

for boss dmg for example

[obtuse moth]

i haven ovenproof installed

[crude cape]

but my thing is, ive just never seen a game where people who are so consistantly wrong, are the ones handing out advice on the reddit the most lol.

[obtuse moth]

im just asking about whether it replaces scoreboard or is a plugin for scoreboard

[cobalt atlas]

Also there isn’t a lot of good content creator compared to vermintide

It’s pretty hard to get “updated correct information”

[crude cape]

it goes WITH scoreboard, but you want to disable all the scoreboard trackers for the 'normal' mod in the settings, and enable overproof. it replaces it, but is an addon to it too - if that makes sense

[tardy stump]

its a plugin but it'll be too crowded and spill outside of the window so will need to disable regular stuff of the basic scoreboard

[cobalt atlas]

Like I struggle to find fuckin good attack pattern for weapon for hordes until some vermintide content creator come

[willow escarp]

@plucky flax do you always run martyrdom on intentional low HP or just on melee mael?

[crude cape]

darktide content creators suck lol

[crude cape]

what do you consider a good attack pattern?
What class (psyker?) and what kind of weapons do you like?

[echo island]

The launch of this game really drained a lot of community good wills
I do think as of now, this game is slightly better than Vt2 but its hard to gain back that good will, less good will = less content creator for more niche games like this

[tardy stump]

i basically disabled everything under ''plugins'' title ingame mod options for regular scoreboard

[obtuse moth]

ah ok i have a mix of scoreboard and ovenproof readouts (among other plugins) atm, i guess i have to replace more of it and specifically the bosses

[plucky flax]

If it's a martyrdom build then I drop hp for more damage and attack speed. I run martyrdom in other modifiers too.

[crude cape]

gameplay-wise its much better, imo. game is fuckign fantastic.

Content wise it still isn't as good, but getting there. another year of updates, with some good content like maps, weapons, and maybe something else (similar to the maelstrom expansion, who knows. Maybe a new game mode or something. or more repeating events like the twins)

and i think we'll be getting close

[cobalt atlas]

So, vermintide have an insane list of guide on how to do movetech (attack that make you go faster), (hordes clearing method, with variety)

[bleak tulip]

I dont think any of the plugins or whatever lets you see the damage to twins, theyre just not added

[echo island]

Im already tired of this games selection of maps/levels

[obtuse moth]

theres a huge list of stuff like that for zealot, and theres some steam guides that go into that stuff in depth

[cobalt atlas]

But currently if I want to learn about Deimos pattern for mixed hordes, I need to try it out myself

[echo island]

I miss playing DRG where ever mission has a random feel to it

[tardy stump]

running martyrdom with as low as 2-3 wounds of hp remaining is pretty safe as zealot has access to until death every 2 mins and you have so much dmg reduction from martyrdom + tree if you go some defensive nodes

[cobalt atlas]

But are they updated

[willow escarp]

gotcha; haven’t run martyr much and noticed you would stand in fire to get lower HP for more stacks. figured in melee only it’s probably pretty safe bc of revenant but wasn’t sure if you’d always do that or not

[tardy stump]

i personally like running it at 1 wound and trigger until death to get back up to 2 wounds when i get hit

[cobalt atlas]

I’m not sure because a lot of stuff was labelled outdated or legacy

[crude cape]

not many movetech in this game, they removed most of it.
The MK3 combat blade (knife) has one, but its built-into just heavy attack spamming while running.

You can sometimes get slightly more speed (debatable if its even an increase, tbh, its slight) with the MK4 dueling sword light attack -> slide. Its very minor tho.

thats about it lol. Not as many movetechniques in this game at vt2

[willow escarp]

Gotcha ty

[cobalt atlas]

Damn that suck

[vast yew]

I personally don't like intentionally taking damage to trigger martyrdom stacks, I just let the damage happen naturally and always go last at heal stations

[obtuse moth]

^

[willow escarp]

have run a fair bit of momentum since patch13 but wasn’t sure if best to just commit to martyrdom with max wound or just take it as some passive natural buffs

[crude cape]

idk, i like them a lot. been playing vt2 recently and while the maps are varied and outside, they're also kind of boring and MUCH less detailed. Just like...more open areas.
they're cool, its a great game. But goinjg back recently made me appreciate the darktides maps more than i did before - even if they are a bit 'samey' in feel due to the hive city vibe

[obtuse moth]

just heal when you come to a heal station and theres one free

[cobalt atlas]

Still waiting for chaos waste equivalent for DarkTide

And Legendary (red) weapon so I can stop suffering

[obtuse moth]

vt2s arent instantly updated either, its just a very old and more stable game

[crude cape]

you don't need it. this is a much faster paced game. you can sprint and slide....
slide dodging....tons of movetech with slide dodging and getting good at it.

Just use that, its bettet than any movetech vt2 had. Vt2 feels like playing with my legs in molassass after a night of darktide personally lol

[echo island]

yeah theres so much wacky shits in the 40k universe they can base the maps off, but all we get is hive city maps. It gets tiring for me as well

[willow escarp]

This is what I did when I was running it but felt like could just run momentum at that point

[plucky flax]

You can slowly work up to it. Just missing 4 wounds is already more damage than momentum. I'm comfortable with being on 2 or 1 hp bar. If I don't have hr though then I play extra safe.

[cobalt atlas]

I don’t feel like it’s a much faster paced game especially when some spawn just force you to go full range mode

Especially long corridor with minimal cover sometime

[willow escarp]

yeah I’ll try it out for sure, guess I need to build some wound curios ty

[cobalt atlas]

Then it just become a slow feast of shooting them out of cover because suppression mechanics

[violet oak]

[plucky flax]

Good luck. Curios crafting suck

Any crafting in this game suck xd

[crude cape]

not the best example per say, but just one i knew i had off the top of my head. Check my mobility and movement here (exaggerated bc of knife, but you can do similar things with most weapons) how i get around, dodge slide away, use the knife heavy attack speed boost to close distance etc.

again, not the most impressive clip, but darktides movement in general is much quicker/more advanced than vt2. So you don't NEED movetech on weapons to be very mobile/smooth in your mobility

[plucky flax]

[willow escarp]

yeah that’s for sure

[cobalt atlas]

Wounds Curios is better than stamina and toughness grind

[crude cape]

its like, 2x as fast paced lol its MUCH faster. sprint dodging and dodge sliding alone put it over the edge on available mobility

playing vt2

[obtuse moth]

take a kit that allows you to close that gap and force them into melee

[crude cape]

feels like playing in quicksand

after playing darktide

when you know how to use movementr in darktide

[vast yew]

That's the cost of Marytrdom; you have no offensive buffs at baseline, just a ton of defensives ones, and as your hp drops both your offense and defense increases

[obtuse moth]

jsat also has done a crap ton of breakdowns and demonstrations for darktide iirc

[vast yew]

Taking intentional damage to trigger Martyrdom trades some of its biggest advantages (tanky as HELL) for power that you could get by just going another keystone

[cobalt atlas]

I mean I only play ShieldMaiden and aggressive salt so maybe my expectation was eh I want to speed run across the map in 15 minutes

[crude cape]

knife zealot.
or chain weapon zealot with rev em up blessing

or psyker

with DD build

go very fast

[cobalt atlas]

DD?

[crude cape]

disrupt destiny

[cobalt atlas]

Oh

[obtuse moth]

stealth vet would let you run in too

[vast yew]

the Darktide director will absolutely squish you for trying that
Toughness is not nearly as forgiving as temp hp

[obtuse moth]

and probably an explosive ogryn with charge

[vast yew]

coherency is a huge deal, and clutching is extra hard

[cobalt atlas]

Yeah the only thing i love in this game probably just Gun Psyker extra movement speed

[obtuse moth]

coherency matters a lot less since the overhaul

[crude cape]

darktide has a lot more enemies per map than vt2

[cobalt atlas]

Other just feel slow if not zealot even with slide

[willow escarp]

unless you’re on ogryn

[obtuse moth]

you have like 5+ ways of generating toughness

[vast yew]

laughs in Feel No Pain and getting back a million toughness just by spamming heavy attacks

[echo island]

Does anyone here use Empowered Psyonics for Assail?

[obtuse moth]

i do

[crude cape]

ngl, if you're complaining bc you want to speed run and don't feel like you can in this game i have no sympathy lol fuck speed running. ruins the fun of the vibe of the rounds. but to each their own

this is a MUCH faster game, factually, than vt2

so idk what else to say lol

[echo island]

Gonna make a Deimos/Purg/Assail build with EP

[vast yew]

you do but it's all still a lot worse then temp hp simply because you can't get real hp back; if you're 1-hit from death you will always be one-hit from death until you find a medicae or other healing. A 1hp character in darktide gets hit by 2 groaners in short succession and dies. A 1 hp character in Vermintide is usually still full hp.

[obtuse moth]

sounds fine, altho imo purge is such a mid staff haha. blazing trauma does almost everything it does better

[echo island]

Purg lands me lots of kills in fights so I should be slinging plenty of EP assail projectiles, at least thats the idea

[obtuse moth]

clutching is harder but coherency isnt that big a deal anymore imo

[echo island]

yeah but you have to build for Trauma

Purge I can just do whatever

[cobalt atlas]

Yea this, Temp Health just really great because you are encourage to fight as hard as you could

[obtuse moth]

hmm, do you not take the charge on elite kill?

it self sustains

and for trash you don't need assail anyway

[echo island]

Assail usually aint that good at killing elites imo

Huh

[vast yew]

best part of EP BB is being able to chain-kill Gunners without losing stacks

[obtuse moth]

assail chews through shotgunners/gunners/ragers

[echo island]

guess we be using assail for completely different purposes

[obtuse moth]

i use assail for trash clear, but its only for cleanup/fast kill trash if you have purge

[echo island]

I use assail for skirmishes, it tracks and pierces a few targets, lessen the stress on me at any given situations

[obtuse moth]

purge is basically for trash

[echo island]

Yep

[obtuse moth]

and cc

[cobalt atlas]

Bell Grinding in Vt2 is probably one of the most played map and fastest one compared to Darktide

[vast yew]

Purg kills anything Maulers and smaller honestly

[cobalt atlas]

I struggle to complete any map on highest difficulty in Darktide in less than 15 minutes with randoms consistently

[vast yew]

Bell Grinding is done on Legend

It'd be the equivalent of taking the shortest map in Darktide and running it on Heresy

[cobalt atlas]

I don't even know what's the shortest map in Darktide right now

[vast yew]

which you can absolutely do in 15 minutes, it just isn't as efficient at getting resources

I think the OG assassination mission and the one where you have to cleanse the water supply are both pretty short

Twins Special Assignment is also pretty short but that's a different beast due to the boss fight

[cobalt atlas]

Twins Special Assignment don't have Auric Version to it at the moment

it should have longer playtime as Normal Damnation is pretty much walk in a park without the boss fight interval

[vast yew]

Personally I'd rather have them fix the crafting then give us quicker ways to grind

[bleak tulip]

shortest mission is probably chasm station

generally assassination missions feel very short

[vast yew]

that's the OG assassination mission right

[bleak tulip]

the one with the train station at the end

[cobalt atlas]

Chasm station should be the sniper festival mission

[bleak tulip]

either that or the other assassination mission

[cobalt atlas]

I would rather they give us option to choose mission/Variant in Auric

[vast yew]

I think the other assassination is faster due to not having the Interrogation in the middle. Unless I'm mixing up my maps

Which is entirely possible as they kind of all blend together a bit

[cobalt atlas]

Scanning stuff is probably most annoying quest(?)

[vast yew]

Scanning stuff is Hab Dreyko and Hab Dreyko is 100% the Convocation of Decay of this game

[obtuse moth]

i dont think there is a specific grind in DT generally because of the randomised mission board they specifically threw in your way

[kindred ivy]

another game another smite W
2800 kill game, 1350 was me

[cobalt atlas]

Grinding in DT just suck, because its just finding Plasteel

MORE PLASTEEL MORE PLASTEEL

The equipment rewarded at the end of each mission usually just a roll of whether you have this blessing or nay

[obtuse moth]

i always run a fast movekit because otherwise i would have every special in the world slowing me down since pugs run ahead and ignore all mats

[vast yew]

The locks on equipment really ruin the grind

if you had a tangible end goal then it'd be fine (like in VT2, where you either roll or craft a red)

[cobalt atlas]

I want to grind 300 hours on DarkTide and be done with it forever

[vast yew]

but the fact that it could take you anywhere between 2k and 200k plasteel per weapon is annoying

[cobalt atlas]

Not a consistent search of 380 weapons that need the perfect dumpstats perfect blessings perfect perks

[shy prairie]

"need"

[vast yew]

to be fair you don't need perfect weapons, but I understand the aggravation of them being virtually unobtainable

[cobalt atlas]

You don't need it, but you want it

[vast yew]

I have similar annoyances with Monster Hunter charm grinding

[flint plover]

Was always a great feeling to have a perfectly rolled weapon in vermintide2

[cobalt atlas]

Like I just grind this in Vermintide 2

[shy prairie]

you don't want the uber grind but want the perfect weapon

[cobalt atlas]

Then never touch the game again

[obtuse moth]

fwiw the higher the weapon rating the better the chances of high tier modifiers

[cobalt atlas]

consistent 38 hours run on screaming bells

[vast yew]

he's comparing to VT2 where perfect weapons were a thing you will get

[bleak tulip]

do I?

[vast yew]

in Darktide perfect weapons are literally 1 in 3 million

[cobalt atlas]

then yea, I had achieve what I want, Im gonna stop plaiyng it

[shy prairie]

3/4+ on 380 is close enough

[kindred ivy]

yeah DT has wayy more variation

anything 75+

is already good/as good as it gets

rn

[bleak tulip]

my most commonly used weapons arent even 360 I think lol

[kindred ivy]

then ofc 4/4/4/4 on the perk blessings

[bleak tulip]

shit dont matter

[kindred ivy]

^^

[vast yew]

Where it gets super annoying is where certain weapons require certain stats to hit breakpoints

[cobalt atlas]

Shit doesn't matter for sure, but it's more of a "Collection"

[vast yew]

like Deimos one-tap on Mutant

[cobalt atlas]

Perfectionist ? is that how you call it

[bleak tulip]

okay but that one isnt that hard to get at least

especially since deimos has infinite dump potential with mobility being basically pointless on it

[vast yew]

it isn't hard but it's not so easy either; A guy posted a Deimos he got that had 80 damage but only ~72 first target and he missed the threshold by 1 point of damage

[cobalt atlas]

380 with a perfect dump stats, blessings and Perks are like CBT to me compared to VT2

[vast yew]

which is immensely frustrating if you're in that position

[kindred ivy]

laugh at him

[near drift]

If I can get 70-something on the stats I want that's plenty fine, trying for perfect 80s on 4 stats on multiple items is time waste insanity

[kindred ivy]

he missed his breakpoint

[cobalt atlas]

I played like 150 hours, and still unable to get em

[bleak tulip]

to be fair getting that 1 damage from literally any buff is gonna be the situation 99.8% of the time

[kindred ivy]

^^

[obtuse moth]

there are nearly an infinite number of breakpoints

[bleak tulip]

but sure

[kindred ivy]

like uh,hmmmm, smite buff

[vast yew]

yeah, but still super frustrating. Gets worse with items like Revolvers, which for Veterans can one-shot Crushers but require almost perfect stat rolls

[kindred ivy]

whihc are the breakpoints for that?

crit + dmg + pen?

iand how much

[vast yew]

Yeah 80/80/80 on damage/crit/pen, with like... 1% damage wiggle room or something

it's super tight

[kindred ivy]

[vast yew]

and requires a specific build, but that you can change whenever you want

[obtuse moth]

with what talent modifiers tho

theres so many builds

[bleak tulip]

its fine theyll add reds any day now and then you'll feel silly for grinding 380 bases

[kindred ivy]

hand cannon + deadly accurate? (is it even a option for the revolver?)

[obtuse moth]

and im sure they'll change them in the future

[vast yew]

Hand Cannon + Surgical are the blessings

[cobalt atlas]

Still waiting for Reds to pass to us and True RNG mode

[vast yew]

for pretty much any Mk2 revolver

[obtuse moth]

hand cannon + surgical or crucian for the revolver generally

[kindred ivy]

reds arent going to be perfect, they'll jus have aup to 500 limit i say

[obtuse moth]

the crit chance on melee kill isnt terrible either for the new revolver

[cobalt atlas]

Reds are perfect in Vermintide

[kindred ivy]

in VT2 there wasnt much variation,

[cobalt atlas]

100% on everything which is why you want them

[kindred ivy]

yeah but there wasnt much wiggle run anyway on VT2

for modifier shit

[vast yew]

in VT2 there was 0 variation on reds; you rolled one, rerolled it's trait and properties, grind over for that weapon

[cobalt atlas]

But DT caps is fix at 80% thou

[vast yew]

never needed to grind another one ever again

[near drift]

I needed that 33% grim resist or else I was gonna DIE

[kindred ivy]

it defnitelly, shows that more than 80 is echnicallyt possible

[vast yew]

by the time you hit 300 hours or so you had a bunch of perfect weapons

[kindred ivy]

the tats on the inspect show the number at 100

so it will def go to 100 at some point

[obtuse moth]

vt2 weapon builds are boring tho its like all swift slaying isnt it

[cobalt atlas]

I quit VT2 by 350 hours

Got like 27 red item

[bleak tulip]

I played VT2 for like 70 hours and had nearly all reds on elf

[cobalt atlas]

I still haven't got good 380 shit in DT2

[bleak tulip]

its not that hard

[vast yew]

sorry meant for every class

but yeah you'd get your first red pretty shortly after moving up to Legend

since those were the only chests that really dropped them (technically maxed-out Champ chest could but it was a terrible rate)

[plucky flax]

[kindred ivy]

xd

[cobalt atlas]

Very little people play Assaii right now, everyone is a zealot main

[kindred ivy]

i never unsterstood the point in assail

[vast yew]

mixed horde clear + special sniping

[devout robin]

darktide is reeally giga bad for people that really want that min-max >375, double iv blessings type beat

[plucky flax]

Smite seems the most popular in auric at least.

[obtuse moth]

and its good mixed cc/damage

[vast yew]

doesn't hurt carapace, but can deal with anything else until you run out of darts

[devout robin]

i just settle and it works

[plucky flax]

Dunno why cos assail is still good.

[kindred ivy]

i think its the cc

altho even in auric

psychers really dont like to hold down the smite

at all

[cobalt atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-screaming-aa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-gif-20486559

[vast yew]

Assail usually needs 1 extra talent point for extra penetration and gives up Psykinetic Aura

[obtuse moth]

you shouldnt

[kindred ivy]

they seem to barelly use it in my game

[cobalt atlas]

I NEED IT

[obtuse moth]

hold down smite

[devout robin]

i just treat assail like a second gun

[obtuse moth]

it should be a situational tool

[kindred ivy]

yeah so ,ur wrong

it clears hordes

[cobalt atlas]

I used to treat Assaii as hordes clearing tools

[kindred ivy]

and stuns elites

[plucky flax]

[obtuse moth]

it makes things way slower

[kindred ivy]

ask any person that played with me here

the effectiveness of my smiet

[obtuse moth]

you can kill things much faster just shrieking then killing things as they run in

[kindred ivy]

shriek and smite

for isnta clear

[devout robin]

assail is supplemental to your main weapon and is good for keeping up uptime on your resources

[obtuse moth]

you're stunlocking enemies compeltely spread out

[devout robin]

though i like it a lot with guns

[plucky flax]

2 smite psykers vs 1 assail gamer

[obtuse moth]

it makes things take far far far longer

[kindred ivy]

it doesnt

[obtuse moth]

lmao

[kindred ivy]

i doubt they kep their smite on

bht das nice

[plucky flax]

Actually they both were spamming smite.

I'm like Xd

[cobalt atlas]

Yea the current Assaii has "Deform" into Supplementary

[kindred ivy]

huh

EP smite?

[plucky flax]

Just use your staves lads.

[vast yew]

Smite is good panic button, hence why it tends to get used on Voidstrike
Trauma staff doesn't need any blitz tbh so you aren't going to see much; BB best IMO because preserves Psykinetic Aura access
Purg doesn't need Smite or Assail, BB tends to be the play here too
Surge goes with either Smite or Assail

So that's why I don't think you see Assail much; only really goes with Surge or Gunker

[kindred ivy]

dont use your staves lads

dont use any staves

[obtuse moth]

youd kill them much faster with blazing trauma shriek

[devout robin]

assail instantly kills adds vs smite draining stuff over time

[kindred ivy]

HISTG auric damnation

[devout robin]

so assail will naturally just perform quicker for actually killing shit

[plucky flax]

1 was creeping flame smite 1 was something I don't even know.

I think he had bubble but forgot to use it.

[kindred ivy]

[cobalt atlas]

I think that's intentional

[kindred ivy]

no staves, all smite 💪

2800 kill game, 1350 smite

[cobalt atlas]

Probably running the Siphon Warp Keystone so there's no Warp Generation + Extra Damage

[vast yew]

also no plasteel pickups

[kindred ivy]

my smite roll is perfect

[cobalt atlas]

Heresy

[kindred ivy]

i bypass the grind

with smite

[obtuse moth]

if you find smite faster you have incredibly low dps

[kindred ivy]

also i got VERY lucky with my revolver

[vast yew]

Plasteel is shared with your team, pick it up for them then

[cobalt atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[kindred ivy]

then how do i kill more elites, etc etc etc than them?

[devout robin]

ep smite will clear hordes but it's dishonest to say it's going to outperform anyone with a dedicated add-clear build

at least

[cobalt atlas]

To all the non-plasteel pickup teammate

[devout robin]

in terms of 'kill shit immediately'

[kindred ivy]

flame vent + smite will clear fast AF

EP smite

[obtuse moth]

you stunlocked them away from your teammates, and behind terrain

[devout robin]

yes you won't shut up about EP smite we get it

[vast yew]

Also Maus is a diehard smite apologist and y'all feeding him

[kindred ivy]

"stunlocked behing terrain"

my body in crhist

this was fucking smelter complex

[plucky flax]

Why ep smite over warp charges smite?

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no, the rat guy is trolling again

[plucky flax]

More creeping flame.

[kindred ivy]

the EP smite dmg is 125.

[plucky flax]

[kindred ivy]

its pretyt good

i generate no peril whatsoever anywya

[cobalt atlas]

How what

[devout robin]

the main argument is that they'd rather just deal the better immediate damage with smite instead of using venting to deal with adds and use another tool to sweep up other shit faster

[kindred ivy]

125 dps, is no joke.

[devout robin]

which is

let me tell you

not great

but they're not gonna budge so i wouldn't try

[kindred ivy]

then how do i keep getting those W?

go on try it, 1 game

[devout robin]

you are annoying

[ornate hamlet]

He is

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[obtuse moth]

just block and move on

[plucky flax]

Good player mane.

[devout robin]

anyway

[near drift]

This feels like bait

[plucky flax]

I am not that good I stay in sedition.

[devout robin]

just got surge on my voidstrike

[vast yew]

no need to block just ignore the bait lol

[devout robin]

i understand now

[obtuse moth]

it prevents me from wasting time in the future

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/power-feel-the-power-emperors-new-groove-yzma-disney-gif-5266453

[ornate hamlet]

I can outperform him without spamming smite and he keeps posting garbage anyway

[obtuse moth]

i dont have to remember which names to ignore

[kindred ivy]

mald, surgical + headshot + extra elite damage + smite + flames + wildfire + didnt ask + handcannon + 3 elites 1 shot + empowered psyonics

[devout robin]

+10 ranged elites is fucking wild lmfao

[kindred ivy]

[vast yew]

do be a nice revolver, though I question that perk. Might make up for the low Pen roll?

[kindred ivy]

its not that low pen

from 67 to 80 the difference is like 4%?

[ornate hamlet]

Dude just realized he can get a reaction out of people from saying dumb shit, so he keeps farming that attention because, for some weird reason, people generally have a problem with dumb shit

[kindred ivy]

its yeha, not great, but does well enough

[devout robin]

would low pen differ that much if you already have flak/carapace?

[vast yew]

yes, hence why I asked if the 10% Elites helps to make up for that deficiency

[devout robin]

i cannot imagine it would especially with surgical

[kindred ivy]

i'll be honest, i am not sure of the detals, aparently 10% elite dmg is pretty bad actualyl

[vast yew]

depends on what you're shooting

[kindred ivy]

so i should prolly do carapace or maniac

but with a crit i cna oneshot flak ragers (i have to retest maniac ragers)

[vast yew]

think you can get to a 2-shot breakpoint with Carapace but it does require some level of Pen so that with Handcannon you reach 100% ADM

[devout robin]

fair

[kindred ivy]

gunners and shotgunners are no problem

and are my main target anyway

[lyric burrow]

Elites isnt terrible it just depends on if you miss a breakpoint

[obtuse moth]

i find new players and people new to the discord generally have some pretty uninformed hot takes that can be corrected with engagement. and thats generally the purpose of people responding in this channel besides idle chatter

[kindred ivy]

any 1 tap elite that doesnt need a crit

will get insta blasted

[vast yew]

except when this channel turns into Warframe discussion

[cobalt atlas]

I do not understand how you get that much DPS with Smite

[kindred ivy]

so start rolling into EP, and flames etc etc

[ornate hamlet]

Only problem is when people insist on the bullshit

[devout robin]

125 dps on smite with EP is accurate

[kindred ivy]

EP smite is half the dmg tbh

[devout robin]

higher than that is debatable

[kindred ivy]

the other half is the venting shirek

[ornate hamlet]

Because he's using an ability with infinite cleave that kills every poxwalker on its own

[kindred ivy]

(well its actiuall 56 dps the vneting shrek)

[cobalt atlas]

125 Dps on single target or overall

[violet oak]

Bunch of trash + weapon that targets a ton of enemies

[devout robin]

on a singular target

[cobalt atlas]

Im confused

[kindred ivy]

on ever target

[vast yew]

Smite hits like 30 guys if you get the +1 jump upgrade

... ehh more like 20

[devout robin]

125 dps overall would be actually lower single digit on hit

[kindred ivy]

every elite killed this way also increases basically all flames stacks by 3.

[devout robin]

[kindred ivy]

the shirek and smite clears so fast i barelly lose any of my flame stacks (cause of time) , so they are all kept (but yeah spread) trough al the enemies

[devout robin]

i mean then it's not smite even if it helps people get chipped by soulblaze then

which i mean

that is a fine set-up

[kindred ivy]

its both

[near drift]

I like warp flurry trauma staff/smite/warp siphon, bullies all the enemies up to crushers

[devout robin]

it's dishonest to say smite is that pogged out if you're relying on soulblaze for the damage deficit

[kindred ivy]

ergh

[devout robin]

but dont' get me wrong

that build is fine

good even

[cobalt atlas]

Hm, doesn't that generate a lot of Peril Compared to Warp Siphon build

[kindred ivy]

consistently its like 6 stacks from shrek + 3 per elite killed i get.(which is usually 2).
which from what i understand makes it more less 50% smite 50% fire

[kindred ivy]

no staves whatsoever or force swords

[vast yew]

the normal problems with EP smite shenanigans is that with shriek you're doing sub-200 dps to Ragers, so it takes them over 10 seconds to die, and more like 16 seconds for Maulers
Which is fine if your team helps focus on the Elites

[kindred ivy]

so i can use all my peril with this

[cobalt atlas]

Im testing out Smite with EP, a lot of damage but I also goes super fast into Critical Peril