#psyker-class | Darktide | Page 994

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:32 AM

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I mean you can walk if you want to take the damage, but the issue is that 1-2 poxwalkers spawning from some door on the side that always get behind you

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also for some reason the dodge reset timer is longer on psyker than it is on other classes usually its 1 heavy but on psyker its like 2.5 for the ds

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:33 AM

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Doesn't psyker have the low dodge reset time

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Compared to vet and ogryn anyway

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:33 AM

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dont play ogryn but it definitly feels slower than the PS on vet

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probably in my head because the DS swings/stabs so fast but it messes up my timings and going into the negatives sucks

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 5:35 AM

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This is the key answer to any meta discussion lmao. Game needs a t6 or a new mode above Mael.

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I mean if you are competent, you are probably going to topfrag using literally any build in a pub too.

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:35 AM

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DRG has haz 6 x2 can we not mod difficulties?

cosmic sigil Dec 19, 2023, 5:36 AM

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i thought it was scryer + dd oO

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:38 AM

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wheat tulip DRG has haz 6 x2 can we not mod difficulties?

Games are hosted on dedicated servers, only through modding you can play on local, but no progression and no multiplayer

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 5:38 AM

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^

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you can mod to hazard 6 but only solo

robust relic Dec 19, 2023, 5:41 AM

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I feel like I need to roll 2 extra psykers to 30 to farm melk...he never offers me any t4s....

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 5:41 AM

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https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/185

Nexus Mods :: Warhammer 40,000: Darktide

Unspeakable

Therein lies suffering unsilenced.Darktide's counterpart of Vermintide's 'Deathwish' mod.

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:41 AM

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"hazard 6" already exists in the game files

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Oh that isn't it, that's just the mod

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Twice the mass sounds cancerous

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:44 AM

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I used to judge gun psykers ngl, but then I kinda just realized something.

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:44 AM

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potent echo Twice the mass sounds cancerous

its usually people using broken builds like plastcrete catalyst sticky flamer neurotoxin trashing all the hordes while a special powder scout zips around mining/sniping objectives

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:44 AM

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An optimal build and a fun build are both viable

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:45 AM

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That's drg

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:45 AM

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u did say haz 6

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:46 AM

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yea and we have plasma gunner vet to trash everything while crusher CCs the horde and smite bubble locks things down while protecting from ranged

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and you have infinite ammo because of the hundreds of elite/specials

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the meta would probably be double plasma vet psyker zealot

near wyvern Dec 19, 2023, 5:46 AM

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fierce spoke An optimal build and a fun build are both viable

Why would a gun not be optimal? As an example, columnus + scrier's is optimal for Psykers as monstrosity clear.

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:47 AM

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ignoring things and rushing objectives as fast as possible, zealot just knocking things down from the back

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smite knocking them down from the front

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 AM

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My personal opinion is I like staffs more due to not worrying about ammo, and as it stands with perk interaction they work better. But that doesn't make a gun psyker any less (unless they're chewing up the entire squad's ammo reserves, then I might start judging).

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 AM

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that or 4 evis zealots corner camping hordes

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 AM

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four stealth zealots abusing the sprint stealth bug

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 AM

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near wyvern Why would a gun not be optimal? As an example, columnus + scrier's is optimal fo...

I never tried scriers with a gun.

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 AM

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completely untouchable

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:49 AM

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So... I'll just have to assume that's a point I missed, tbh... I might have to.

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:49 AM

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scrier ciag vomits damage

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:49 AM

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remove crit strings when

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:50 AM

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i love critting almost every single shot

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:50 AM

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By the way, what's a good scrier gun build? I plan to try it at least once.

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:50 AM

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That's gonna nerf my brauto weapon specialist

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:50 AM

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most people go full right side with gunker

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:50 AM

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they should just increase staff mon damage modifiers instead of making you do stupid crit string things tbh

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or at least not remove funny things like surge blessing monstrosity stagger

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:51 AM

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fierce spoke By the way, what's a good scrier gun build? I plan to try it at least once.

either revolver with speedloader so you can still use it to snipe when sciers isnt up or caig/las pistol both love the crits

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:51 AM

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ciag my beloved

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i have three ciags, one on each class

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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revolver is the gunker that doesnt really want to use a gun

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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What if

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Next patch ciag nerf KEKW_ogryn

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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i also have three revolvers

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not like this

hard locust Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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is the mk v an acceptable substitute until I get a good mk iv for duelling swords

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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ciag isnt broken like the revolver or the plasma gun its just good

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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They need to buff the new revolver to give some cleave at least

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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revolver berf, plasma nerf, thammer nerf, IAG nerf

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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wheat tulip ciag isnt broken like the revolver or the plasma gun its just good

Uh KEKW_ogryn

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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ciag feels really good to use

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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return to staves like civilized siblings

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 AM

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wheat tulip either revolver with speedloader so you can still use it to snipe when sciers is...

Uh... what on other is CIAG?

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 AM

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if your mkv can account for the ~40% damage rift between it and the mk4

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then sure

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 AM

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fierce spoke Uh... what on other is CIAG?

columnus mk 5 infantry autogun

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 AM

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Psyker chat: "this is best this is better"
Me:

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 AM

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the revolver and plasma gun literally have bigger weakpoint hitboxes

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 AM

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Ah

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The beancounters in zealot-class chat made me lose my brain for a bit.

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:54 AM

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30 stack dd scrier melee psyker 1 shotting everything

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:54 AM

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All this stuff about minmaxxing and all that jazz and if you don't play to it you're somebody dragging your team down.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:54 AM

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I think I actually preferred zealot degen general chat over then turning i to a more annoying version of this channel

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:55 AM

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bleak tulip I think I actually preferred zealot degen general chat over then turning i to a ...

A more annoying version of this channel?

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I'm kinda confused

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:55 AM

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people who only talk about optimal builds (like me)

safe pendant Dec 19, 2023, 5:55 AM

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Barely edged out a fellow psyker on the team exclusively using shields and assail. I guess that's fun?

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:55 AM

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bean counters, meta nerds

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feels like that's all this place ever talks about

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:56 AM

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ah, I personally don't mind it too much unless I get yelled at for not doing meta.

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:56 AM

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what else is there to talk about other than builds

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:56 AM

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the latest memes idj

fierce spoke Dec 19, 2023, 5:56 AM

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It's when it goes to that then my brain feels like leaking out my ears.

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 5:56 AM

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wheat tulip what else is there to talk about other than builds

your love for the god emperor

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:57 AM

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my beloved loves talking about builds too

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:57 AM

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we could talk about how vet players are cringe

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 5:57 AM

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as a Vet i agree

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:58 AM

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CADIA

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 5:58 AM

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I am so fucking sick of hearing every other vet talk about their dumb pile of rocks

wheat tulip Dec 19, 2023, 6:00 AM

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professional is the only voice worth taking, loose cannon is a criminal cadia is a dumbass

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 6:02 AM

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loose cannon for life

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 6:04 AM

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loose cannon is based

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 6:17 AM

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Other communities I been in have big issues between "on paper" meta and "real world" meta

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Zealot builds channel goes into alot of details about how to play the build, which is really nice

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 6:20 AM

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explaining how to play would be letting people delve into the totally esoteric nature of psyker we can't have that

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it's a very exclusive club you see

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real talk tho most of the shit we talk in here is stuff that'll get you 20% of the way there, it won't make up for dumb brain mistakes that you can't plan your way out of with with talents, which some people seem to forget

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also you can still clear basically all content with bad stuff like running a terrifying barrage purg

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or pretending smite does damage

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:27 AM

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who needs damage when smit makes the room do the thriller which is way more entertaining

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 6:27 AM

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Zealot is also much simpler in terms of mechanics, other classes doesn't have an extra blitz to weave between in combat, or consider about shield and vent

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 6:29 AM

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Yes I did. I'm slowly getting used to the shape. At first when gripping I keep hitting the sniper button with my thumb.

Now I put macro on it for quell cancel purgatus. whatthefuck_heresy

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:30 AM

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big brain

tulip trench Dec 19, 2023, 6:31 AM

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blazing trauma + bb go hard

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Auric

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ive been sleeping on blaze trauma wtf

spiral remnant Dec 19, 2023, 6:36 AM

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goated voidstike perhaps? pretty please hadron dont screww me on this

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praise be the omnisiah...

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it's not lookin good

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:40 AM

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potent echo Zealot is also much simpler in terms of mechanics, other classes doesn't have an...

other classes doesn't have an extra blitz to weave between in combat
throwing knives

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SMH

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:41 AM

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how importent is critting for Psyker?

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:42 AM

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it's weapon dependent but the general answer is that most psyker-exclusive weapons and all the meta guns have good finesse mods

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purg applies double soulblaze stacks on crit, there's the surge blessing on staffs to fire 2x projectiles (particularly good on void) when you crit, etc

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:43 AM

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doing a skill tree rework on my Melee Scrier setup and was wondering how good Mettle and Crits in general was so

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:43 AM

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very good

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esp if u have assail

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:43 AM

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Josho, Tf you doing here? truemacdespair

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:43 AM

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i play psyker

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once in a blue moon

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waiting for the day they release an interesting staff

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:43 AM

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No wonder the weather is shite NODDERS

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:44 AM

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lmfao

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:44 AM

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Just play gunker

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Glass cannon vet NODDERS

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:44 AM

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HYPERNODDERS

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:44 AM

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Wait

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Ain't gunkers just

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Moths?

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Shoot blue outline

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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holy shit

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this is genius

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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Thanking

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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theyre attracted to the light

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big brain

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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5th character named mothman, lesgoo

spiral remnant Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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if i remember correctly there's a stave blessing that doesnt exist in t4 right?

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i forget what it is

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 6:45 AM

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mossy surge No wonder the weather is shite <a:NODDERS:1073320123227713608>

so true

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 6:46 AM

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spiral remnant if i remember correctly there's a stave blessing that doesnt exist in t4 right?

blazing spirit (soulblaze on crit)

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:46 AM

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spiral remnant if i remember correctly there's a stave blessing that doesnt exist in t4 right?

run n gun

spiral remnant Dec 19, 2023, 6:46 AM

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huh okay

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:46 AM

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Warp Dmg is Blittz Forece sword activation and staves right?

open pike Dec 19, 2023, 6:46 AM

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One day we'll get the beam staff

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:47 AM

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i know they're dumb questions lmao

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 6:47 AM

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idle marten Warp Dmg is Blittz Forece sword activation and staves right?

ye, and including soulblaze

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 6:47 AM

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idle marten Warp Dmg is Blittz Forece sword activation and staves right?

Also the blitz on attack, can't remember the name

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 6:47 AM

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idle marten i know they're dumb questions lmao

better safe than sorry

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who knows what weird gotchas still exist

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:47 AM

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yeeee

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i keep getting jebaited with Scriers thinking the Finesse dmg isnt good since the Peril generation mod for it is slows it down but Finesse dmg is opaf so

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 6:50 AM

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idle marten i know they're dumb questions lmao

theres no dumb questions. tooltips lie in this game all the time

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 6:51 AM

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yeeeeep knowing that the game says something and means something completely different cant have major issues on a build lmao

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 6:57 AM

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plucky flax Yes I did. I'm slowly getting used to the shape. At first when gripping I keep h...

I just rebound that key to middle mouse because if its the one I think it is then the mouswheel is kind of annoying to click

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:01 AM

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bleak tulip I just rebound that key to middle mouse because if its the one I think it is the...

It's the side button where your thumb would rest on the g902.

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Since I used to grip mouse using thumb I keel hitting that. Now I have to hold my mouse a bit different.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:02 AM

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dunno how the mouse wheel for the 902 is but it was annoying on the 502

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but yeah

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gotta get used to it

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:02 AM

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The wheel is a tad low for my liking.

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First time using 'ergonomic' mouse and my wrist is more tired than ever. whatthefuck_heresy

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:03 AM

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thats the weakness leaving your body

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 7:03 AM

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Are you using the vertical mouse

robust relic Dec 19, 2023, 7:03 AM

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what melee do you guys run with your voids? I've been runing illisi and liking it

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:03 AM

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ds4

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 7:03 AM

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Deimos

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But I'll run deimos with anything

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Knife.

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whatthefuck_heresy

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Jk I use ds4 but knife would work too. Those 2 are similar for me.

mossy surge Dec 19, 2023, 7:04 AM

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plucky flax Knife.

https://tenor.com/view/delanovanaken-delanoboi-delanofastasfuckboi-fastfuckboi-funny-gif-13688353

Tenor

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Ds4 better burst damage. Knife better monster damage.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:05 AM

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I can accept knife psyker if you arent running bleed on it

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:05 AM

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But bleed is good. whatthefuck_heresy

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:05 AM

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not for normal enemies caden

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:05 AM

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It's only for monsters or twins.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:06 AM

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dunno how good it gets when you got uncanny stacks but I reckon its not phenomenal on a class that has no talents that buff bleed shit

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see I just stagger lock monsters Smiledog

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:06 AM

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I can't headshot monster with void.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:07 AM

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plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 7:07 AM

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If you use purga you can apply 15 burn then start knifing it for 16 bleed. The dot man. whatthefuck_heresy

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:07 AM

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cursed

vocal axle Dec 19, 2023, 7:08 AM

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bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 7:08 AM

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not perfect shakeangery

vocal axle Dec 19, 2023, 7:08 AM

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Almost

spiral remnant Dec 19, 2023, 7:13 AM

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why is blast radius so low on this priority?

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oops better ss*

quaint burrow Dec 19, 2023, 7:25 AM

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spiral remnant why is blast radius so low on this priority?

it's a replacement for a gun that can penetrate through a lot of enemies rather than an explosive.
most people recommend flurry and surge, but transfer peril is superb when you can rip through an advancing horde - keeps your peril down nice and you can just keep blasting.

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 7:25 AM

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so hypothetically if you guys had to play melee PSyker what would you use? asking for a friend i sware

quaint burrow Dec 19, 2023, 7:26 AM

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idle marten so hypothetically if you guys had to play melee PSyker what would you use? askin...

an ogryn 🙈

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 7:26 AM

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agreed an Ogyrn on a stick sounds dope

quaint burrow Dec 19, 2023, 7:28 AM

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psyker is so squishy, I always have a bad time going into close quarters... i like throwing voidstrikes through corridors, so I don't really have an answer for that, but would rather second that question tbh 🙈

opal gyro Dec 19, 2023, 7:28 AM

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idle marten so hypothetically if you guys had to play melee PSyker what would you use? askin...

Deimos

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 7:29 AM

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opal gyro Deimos

ive had the most success with the Deimos the Illisi as well

opal gyro Dec 19, 2023, 7:29 AM

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Good at clearing lil shitters and the special does great single target damage

idle marten Dec 19, 2023, 7:29 AM

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yeee

spiral remnant Dec 19, 2023, 7:37 AM

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quaint burrow it's a replacement for a gun that can penetrate through a lot of enemies rather ...

what about warp nexus?

grizzled iris Dec 19, 2023, 7:57 AM

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idle marten so hypothetically if you guys had to play melee PSyker what would you use? askin...

Illisi with new revolver

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 8:11 AM

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spiral remnant what about warp nexus?

yeah nexus surge is the play if you want the highest damage potential especially with quelling as fast as it is now with the talent

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also blast radius just isnt super important

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the aoe is tiny and the projectile size impact on the right click is sort of minimal

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maybe you wont be able to hit two heads if theyre spaced out too much?

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dunno havent actually testted it

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also my void has 80 blast Smiledog

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because I spent shittons of plasteel and dockets on every other class to get cool weapons and skimp on my main one

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fuckin 70 finesse ds4

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oh yeah also left click is better at suppression than right click anyway so fuck blast radius lmao

glossy ember Dec 19, 2023, 8:18 AM

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idle marten so hypothetically if you guys had to play melee PSyker what would you use? askin...

knife still

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 8:19 AM

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ds4 easily

shy prairie Dec 19, 2023, 8:22 AM

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me when still no ds4 with precog uncanny

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harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 8:28 AM

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ugh

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i'm so addicted to knife lmao

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all I wanna do

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is just knife more

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on every class lmfao

shy prairie Dec 19, 2023, 8:30 AM

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addicted to london

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curious

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 8:36 AM

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birmingham moment

pastel rapids Dec 19, 2023, 8:39 AM

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what kinda blessings and perks do folks here like on their heavy laspistols? either model

shy prairie Dec 19, 2023, 8:42 AM

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dumdum for certain

pastel rapids Dec 19, 2023, 8:48 AM

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What could FS do to differentiate Obscurus Force Sword from the other 2?

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Aside from it being the "not so great third option"

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 8:48 AM

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giving it an offensive push-attack mayhaps

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something cool

pastel rapids Dec 19, 2023, 8:48 AM

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oooooh

regal swift Dec 19, 2023, 8:51 AM

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Can you get +21% health curios on pysker

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 8:52 AM

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ye

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same selection of curios and stats across all classes

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 8:55 AM

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i have two +21% health curios ogryn_pathetic one has +5% toughness locked in and the other has +5% health locked in
so they're both pretty solid

shy prairie Dec 19, 2023, 8:56 AM

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block cost my beloved

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 8:56 AM

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make the special attack on laspistol turn it into a bomb

vapid lichen Dec 19, 2023, 8:57 AM

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u should be able to charge it up and fire a continuous laser beam that empties the mag

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 8:58 AM

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pastel rapids What could FS do to differentiate Obscurus Force Sword from the other 2?

let you turn it on for a damage boost that causes peril generation on hit or some shit like that

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anything to make it stand out that isnt a shitty "lock on target" damage boost

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yknow give some kind of reason to use certain blessings on it

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make it the melee build weapon of choice though some means

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well the moveset would still kinda suck but yknow

ruby plover Dec 19, 2023, 9:02 AM

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hey being complicated in implemented use does NOT mean it sucks

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obscurus moveset aint the problem tyvm

potent echo Dec 19, 2023, 9:05 AM

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Obscurus does have a funky chain timing though, might need some fixing

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Like doing H2 > L3 > L1 might result in drop input sometimes

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:17 AM

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pastel rapids What could FS do to differentiate Obscurus Force Sword from the other 2?

Make deflector native to Obscurus

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:18 AM

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give it stronger autos, a distinctive empowered attack, a different push attack

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would be interesting if the empowered attack gave it a semi ranged projectile or more reach

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or if it did some sort of distinctive cc/lock

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

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Pair down the special animation time to almost nothing. It makes 0 sense for it to take about as long as the Deimos.

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

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that also didnt animation lock you at the same time

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

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^

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

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id be interested in it if the push attack could yeet poxbursters

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:21 AM

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Silly question

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:21 AM

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something specialised for stagger locking non twins monstrosities might be cool

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since ogryns can slap lock bosses

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:21 AM

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Is a riposte/precog sweeping knife any good on a crit based scriers build?

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or am I lost in the sauce

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:21 AM

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you probably still want uncanny

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unless you dont care about using it on carapace

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:22 AM

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Probably won't

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am running zappy staff for armor and assail for hordes

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knife is for general purpose

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:22 AM

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executor is prolly still better than precog

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:23 AM

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Maybe

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Gotta roll a good knife first then I'll probably test it out

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sweeping knife seems like a good horde option for crit build so I wanna experiemtn

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:24 AM

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you can play with haymaker too

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:24 AM

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I was trying to see about a dodge/crit build

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hence precog as a choice

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:24 AM

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ah

delicate stratus Dec 19, 2023, 9:25 AM

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knoife has good dodges and can benefit from crit, and if it sweeps it can maybe do decent horde clear if paired with a zappy staff for armor

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Why zealot chat hate bleed knife? nooooo

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:25 AM

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probably because they have a lot of stronger options

half iron Dec 19, 2023, 9:26 AM

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don’t worry i love it in secret despite how much evanesence plays in my ears

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Bleed on zealot is strong. They have talents for it.

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:26 AM

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and because crit knife was 'top dps' 'meta' when the game launched

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until they realised how much it wasn't

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and it was the only build for months

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the way to build knife on zealot and vet is generally uncanny + weakspot damage on bleeding targets

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and then take a talent for melee bleed to proc the blessing

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 9:27 AM

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Nah uncanny + flesh tearer/lacerate for me.

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Gotta bleed. whatthefuck_heresy

half iron Dec 19, 2023, 9:28 AM

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i just like using knife punch and watching every pore expel red

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it’s lore accurate because it’s a weapon in 40k it has to somehow make your body feel terrible

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 9:29 AM

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what physical weapon isn't supposed to inflict harm to a body?

half iron Dec 19, 2023, 9:30 AM

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veteran melees because they don’t exist. trust

wicked hornet Dec 19, 2023, 9:42 AM

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is surge bad to bring to the twins HM?

ocean cipher Dec 19, 2023, 9:44 AM

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godroll?

vestal fulcrum Dec 19, 2023, 9:44 AM

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Good roll

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But that’s just modifiers

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Many things can go wrong KEKW_ogryn

ocean cipher Dec 19, 2023, 9:45 AM

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up to blue rn and i have 25% flak and terrifying barrage

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:46 AM

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ocean cipher godroll?

Blast raidus is the dump, but quell speed is fine too.

ocean cipher Dec 19, 2023, 9:46 AM

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can't purple rn

ocean cipher Dec 19, 2023, 9:46 AM

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ocean cipher up to blue rn and i have 25% flak and terrifying barrage

how we lookin so far

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:46 AM

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Flaks fine, terrifying barrage is like on all staves useless unfortunately.

ocean cipher Dec 19, 2023, 9:47 AM

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ok so 2/3 rn

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what blessings do i want?

lethal lagoon Dec 19, 2023, 9:47 AM

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Surge and Nexus is the ideal roll, but if you don't have surge already then flurry, nexus, quell on weakspot hit are all viable.

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 9:50 AM

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plucky flax Why zealot chat hate bleed knife? <a:nooooo:971102259490476083>

I htink they just hate the double bleed

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because knife gets uncanny, so one should use it

pastel rapids Dec 19, 2023, 9:59 AM

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i am on the edge of my seat

pastel rapids Dec 19, 2023, 9:59 AM

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ocean cipher what blessings do i want?

i like transfer peril and warp flurry

calm lotus Dec 19, 2023, 9:59 AM

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bleak tulip because knife gets uncanny, so one should use it

i think the idea is that without rending bleed deals too little

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and rending in general is pretty crazy

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:00 AM

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the stance is generally lacerate is awful, rending is mandatory, precog/executor are both going to help you with the knife's main niche (good single target) and if you want bleed flesh tearer is acceptable

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uncanny is the best bleed blessing

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the problem is all the lacerate/flesh tearer mouthbreathers who think applying a decal effect to enemies and then ignoring them is how you carry games

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:01 AM

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How is anticipation bugged?

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:02 AM

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i don't think it's actually technically bugged the description is misleading

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the dodge duration only increases the linger vs melee iirc

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from 2s to 3s or smth

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:02 AM

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Not in the code

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It works against both increasing your iframes from .2 to .3 at a cursory glance

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:02 AM

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this is what commisartyr says

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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paper lily It works against both increasing your iframes from .2 to .3 at a cursory glance

huh

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something like that

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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are we back to calling them iframes

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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I'm on phone I'll go check on pc in a moment

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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even though they technically arent

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aiui

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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bleak tulip are we back to calling them iframes

theyre iframes but also not

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its simple enough and mostly describes how dodges work

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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basically i-frames with a distance check

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close nuff

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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yeah

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

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distance check on a per attack basis

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some have longer 'dodge-catches' than others and its

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AAAAAA

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:04 AM

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Yeah I'm just gonna say iframes

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I just wanted some facts about it before committing to it in my build

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:04 AM

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u say iframes or post 3 paragraphs explaining how dodges work in this game and i will just take the word iframe even if its slightly inaccurate

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:04 AM

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But I just see people saying it's bugged

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:04 AM

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crab and others have remarked on it being bugged

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and i trust them

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:05 AM

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shrug

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:05 AM

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it gives +1 dodges so it is what it is

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:05 AM

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not like u need it on most psyker weapons lol

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:06 AM

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its nice for rapier, which i prefer

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:06 AM

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i might path through it for my gunker build tbh

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since i run ghost on laspistol

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but i dont really die cuz i run out of dodges i die because woohoo silent burster

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:06 AM

#

                local dodge_linger_time_modifier_base = stat_buffs and stat_buffs.dodge_linger_time_modifier or 1
        local dodge_linger_time_melee_modifier = is_melee and stat_buffs and stat_buffs.dodge_linger_time_melee_modifier or 1
        local dodge_linger_time_ranged_modifier = is_ranged and stat_buffs and stat_buffs.dodge_linger_time_ranged_modifier or 1
        local dodge_linger_time_modifier = dodge_linger_time_modifier_base + dodge_linger_time_melee_modifier + dodge_linger_time_ranged_modifier - 2
        local dodge_linger_time_base = base_dodge_template.dodge_linger_time
        local dodge_linger_time = dodge_linger_time_base * dodge_linger_time_modifier
        local dodge_linger_end_time = dodge_time + dodge_linger_time

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just a quick glance i can see a very obvious calculation using it for both types of dodge

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there's a melee check under it for sure

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        if is_melee and t < dodge_linger_end_time then
            return true, dodge_types.linger
        end

        return false, nil```

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alright now that's veritable proof that it only applies to melee basically

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but if you need it for ranged your build is bad anyway

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thanks just wanted to know what was broken

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:10 AM

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yeah now that you mention it I think someone stated that it only works on melee

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:11 AM

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gaining 50% linger time is fantastic vs ragers and stuff, so still a solid point

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:11 AM

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my general idea was just that its bugged and not really worth using

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and the numbers dont convince me otherwise

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+.1s iframe isnt really great imo

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:12 AM

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that's until you remember there's a cooldown between dodges

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archetype_dodge_templates.psyker = {
    consecutive_dodges_reset = 0.85,
    stop_threshold = 0.25,
    base_distance = 2,
    dodge_cooldown = 0.15,
    minimum_dodge_input = 0.25,
    dodge_jump_override_timer = 0.3,
    dodge_linger_time = 0.2,
    dodge_speed_at_times = speed_curve
}```

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this gives you time to actually do something

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it's a pretty useful point

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:15 AM

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think the biggest issue of it really is that its stuck behind a pretty bad aura and you cant get to the best ability from it

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but I also dont play gunker

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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crit aura is considered bad? that's a new one to me

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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the crit chance aura is really good if ur using a finesse gun

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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i don't even bother with a gun

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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there's 1 good aura in this game and that's survivalist

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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i'm using surge staff

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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the rest are all just pathing nodes

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none of em matter that much

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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survivalist is a carry aura for people who can't aim for shit or don't have trigger discpline in the first place

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:16 AM

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I mean most auras are considered bad, and now that CD aura isnt bugged anymore there is prob more value in the crit one

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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3s off a 30s cd is meh to me

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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but you also cant get to vent

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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fuck venting shriek

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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so its a dud to me

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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vent shriek is lame

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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i got sick of that ult by the time i hit 30 lmao

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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put shriek in the middle you cowards

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I want my free damage

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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i use an untalented shield in my build

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i had scriers but i have too much peril frontloading

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:17 AM

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i pretty much only like full right side psyker nowadays

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the staffs are completely uninteresting to me

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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i run assail untalented shield and warp charges with surge staff

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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shriek is also for brain off and for legitimitzing me bringing smite to salvage pubs

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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ive hated warp charges for my entire time playing psyker lmao

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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it lets me just cast spells in a braindead way

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i don't have to worry about peril at all

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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so I dont just stand there with my dong in my hand not doing anything

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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before patch 13 u either had to BB stupid targets to keep em up or u had a talent that lets you ignore charge generation as a mechanic

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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thanks discord

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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i love DD's design

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

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if you consider peril generation is also damage reduction, 36% peril reduction on top of 24% dmg increase is amazing

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damage output reduction

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aka the time you are quelling you are not killing

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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i basically only quell for toughness

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god bless being able to take quietude + soulstealer

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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well you play gun psyker right

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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yea

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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yea i mean i run a staff so i kinda have to quell a lot

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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warp charges have a niche

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i just like

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:19 AM

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josho is a vet main in denial

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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hate that the pathing nodes are the worst out of the 3 keystones

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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psyker has to do infinitely less work for so much more crit based stuff

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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i have 200 more truelevels on ogryn than my next class be quiet

subtle tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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Sniper Ogryn lesko

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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i play gunker more like a zealot than anything

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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smug right

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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yea in that case i'd run vet with right tree

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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although i can top both melee and ranged damage in a competent premade because gunker is fkin INSANE dps

half iron Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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gunker is like if they replaced veteran with swag

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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assail is cracked as hell

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

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slap that pimp hat on and get to slayin

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assail is just broken ability

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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assail needs its max charges cut in half

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and now we are approaching something balanced

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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assail needs to have action commitment to psyker like the other spells

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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no

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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absolutely not

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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why would i run smite or bb if i have to channel both of them

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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quickswapping is what makes it fun

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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terrible way to balance it

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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quickswapping makes it a fucking death shotgun

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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just shoot its ammo economy in the knees

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so that you can't spam it

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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it's a quickswap tool designed to reward you for changing weaps a lot

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the problem is u can spam it too much

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:21 AM

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it's a complete throwaway ability cuz of it's quick swapping ability tbh

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why would u ever run smite or bb

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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well that and there's an entire discussion to be had about if it's okay for weapon blessings to apply to stuff like DoT/assail

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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turn it into zealot dagger and make you shard when pressing the button and eliminate the design illusion of it being a long range tool

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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smite is cancer design and shouldn't exist

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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the fact that rending from melee applies to assail is just disgusting as well yea

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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doesn't have a place in this game

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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nah i like smite

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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nothing should ever turn off a player

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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it's too strong when it's strong and weak as fuck when it's weak though

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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smite turns off a player

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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no, smite just pisses you off

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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i think you are underestimating how much assail's max shard count is propping up its spammability

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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fundamentally stupid design and destroys the pacing

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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and i still think that assail's regen needs to be cut down

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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when your team lets that one piece of shit walk up and slap you in the face whilst you are smiting

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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paper lily when your team lets that one piece of shit walk up and slap you in the face whil...

yeah this is my entire point

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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i would absolutely keep the quickswap aspect of assail and just tweak the other aspects

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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an ability shouldn't make you go "when your team doesn't..."

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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just compare assail to zealot knives

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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having a blitz that you actively weave in between your other actions is great

subtle tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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smite is an ability that is either op or useless, the design in general is a nightmare to balance

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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why do you prefer assail being a dedicated weapon you pull out over something like a one button press thing like zealot dagger

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shits just annoying

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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because i don't want a carbon copy of another blitz

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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get better keybinds

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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because the opportunity cost to select either of the other blitz isn't there

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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well its not, its still working different

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:23 AM

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it's a free dps stat dump

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esp if u run gun

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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also you can't have assail have different modes

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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it's machinegun trueflight

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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if it doesn't actually swap to the weapon

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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we kill the machinegun part and keep the quickswap aspect

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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last I checked everyone hates the right click

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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i can dump 10 charges in under a second or two

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that gotta change

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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right click is ok

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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yes, which is why we nerf the ammo economy

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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the right click has decent utility though its existence is kind of weird when bb exists

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

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and nothing else

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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its the only part I use personally because spamming it feels kinda boring

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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but it still will have the same problem, it's a non compete with other blitz's

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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but I also dont use assail anymore

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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you tell me to cut ammo in half

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but to me, i think most will still select assail

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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i mean if you have the apm and brain, then yes it will be good because you're investing some effort into it

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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brainburst has a completely dead talent in the form of kinetic flayer which is another problem with it

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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paper lily but to me, i think most will still select assail

i don't even see that much assail nowadays

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at least not in america

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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i see plenty of braindead smite psykers doing nothing of use

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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same in europe tbh

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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idk i live in london so i play eu

subtle tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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kinetic flayer is too specific to use in general

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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you are overestimating the effort that players are willing to put into using blitzes

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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but go na during weird hours

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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I see so many smikers who just stand there like idiots tho

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embracepain

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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subtle tulip kinetic flayer is too specific to use in general

it used to work cuz it was charge gen

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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i suppose

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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now its pointless

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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i'm an optimizer though

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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like just look at the amount of people bitching about vet's marksman keystone

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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see the occasional BB user who uses it on chaff

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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if you play psyker perfectly, assail is just the best blitz and it's not even close

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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not at all

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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depends on loadout

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BB is still a decent anti-armor tool

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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like if you run void it's a marginal dps increase at best

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:26 AM

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that's why i just run surge

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surge assail w/e

ionic frost Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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0 effort 10 charge assail and a horde of garbage

ionic frost Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Good surge>

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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charge rate hurts

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but it's aight

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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ionic frost

charge rate is a bit unfortunate but its an excuse to snort celerity stims

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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quell speed is unreal levels of underrated stat i swear

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https://i.imgur.com/eXNT4Yx.png

Imgur

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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only time I really bring assail is on trauma because what else am I bringing

ionic frost Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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it quells quick

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:27 AM

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now here's a staff

ionic frost Dec 19, 2023, 10:28 AM

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nice

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:28 AM

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I low key wish I could skip blitz and just get another talent point of I wanted to

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:28 AM

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brainburst/smite are both god awfully boring to me and i had the misfortune of using bb with a competent assail psyker once

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and i would start glowing a guy's head

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and he would be dead

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by the time i was going to finish

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because the dart did it first

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:28 AM

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friend of mine hardcore complains about that

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it doesn't even matter

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the thing died

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they're still mad about it though

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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its incredibly frustrating to bring an ability and watch it do nothing of use which is why i dont run brainburst

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feels too reliant on people just not being good at dealing damage

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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bb has a range limit right

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around 50m

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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BB feels very much like it was designed for psykinetic, because it was

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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no

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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not to my knowledge

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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it feels completely withiout identity now imo

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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assail is the one with the 50m lock-on limit on the RMB

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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lemme try in training thing

subtle tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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I literally only use BB if the rest of my team and myself has literally 0 long range options for some reason

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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yeah you can BB a sniper on train finale

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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bleak tulip it feels completely withiout identity now imo

if they would make kinetic flayer into a talent that creates an explosion based on the hp value of the enemy u just bb'd

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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thats way more than 50

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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that would be

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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it's 100m for bb

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:29 AM

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funny

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really what i want them to do is rework EP to make it do something actually interesting with each blitz instead of just increasing stat numbers but i dont think thats ever happening

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:30 AM

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lunar hollow if they would make kinetic flayer into a talent that creates an explosion based ...

or make it something that only triggers on elites and specials

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not on shit youre overkillig 3 times over when it triggers

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:30 AM

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i fundamentally do not enjoy RNG talents

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feels like a waste of a point pretty much always

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:30 AM

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bb's only niche is literally just sniping then

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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it's good on scab melee only

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which is uh

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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I already use void which I can snipe with

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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something

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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well it's a non projectile guaranteed hit

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so it still has identity there

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tbf snipers don't really move though

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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and bombers dont move that much either

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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love playing voidstrike when my zealot with a shotgun knocks over what i shot at though

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love that

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:31 AM

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gunners stand most of the time

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reapers too

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also you wouldnt BB reapers

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because it takes like 3

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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most enemies are on very predictable movement patterns

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unless its a burster swapping target mid-leap which is so awful

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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the only thing I habitually BBed before 13 were bulwarks because it would open them and void didnt do that yet

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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either bring smite and bb up to assail levels or nuke assail from orbit

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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now void does that too

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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i'm a fan of buffing over nerfing

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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both need to happen

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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i wish smite was like a charged-up shotgun blast of lightning

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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it's not one or the other

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:32 AM

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that also stunned enemies

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for a certain duration

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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then palpatine memes would just stop

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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but was instant

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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anything to make it more interesting and not just make you stand there like an idiot

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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yeah that needs to happen

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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smite is just the wrong word for the ability anyway

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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it's really poorly designed

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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smite should just be a melee-adjacent blitz

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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spice veldt smite should just be a melee-adjacent blitz

arco

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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it's even worded in a stupid way in the code as well

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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do u not remember me saying

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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bb is smite

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smite is chain lightning

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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"i hope it supports a melee playstyle"

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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no

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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that is literally what i want

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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paper lily bb is smite

Surge staff is also smite

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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make smite one handed so you can still melee while channeling it

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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ed

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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Pepega

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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when they revealed it

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cuz i thought like

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:33 AM

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smite can be quick swapped btw

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the lmb

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and it works as a stun

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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u could use it to do cool close-range damage to a crowd and then go back to using illisi

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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it's just infinitely worse than assail

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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people who are still complaining about assail at this point

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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but no it's a stupid ability that locks you in place

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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should've been a lightning punch on the LMB and a more interesting stun on the rmb

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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are probably malice gamers

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lol

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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paper lily it's even worded in a stupid way in the code as well

surge staff is Staff-bound smite , it counted as smite in the talent tree for 2 weeks

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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pretty much

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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spice veldt should've been a lightning punch on the LMB and a more interesting stun on the r...

imagine if like

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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I havent seen assail in aurics in like a month

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:34 AM

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the rmb was a shockwave you charged up and fired

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and it would jump from enemy-to-enemy

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but u didnt have to hold it down

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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viscid matrix surge staff is Staff-bound smite , it counted as smite in the talent tree for 2 ...

i've only recently picked up the game but played vt1 a bit, i remember their code kind of being a clusterfuck to understand

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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bleak tulip I havent seen assail in aurics in like a month

I've brought it to a few but it's a lot of effort for not being as good as a lot of other psyker builds

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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give it a fuckin MASSIVE peril cost so u can't spam it

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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so it's not a surprise to me

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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or put it on a cooldown

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like just a quick, short-ranged conal stun on the RMB

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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paper lily i've only recently picked up the game but played vt1 a bit, i remember their cod...

its fatshark , they are either incompentant or lazy

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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spice veldt or put it on a cooldown

i'd rather try to use psyker's main™️ mechanic for balancing availability

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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their code is decidedly not lazy, but they are not consistent

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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true

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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also is there any thing left click smite does that is even worth knowing

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while were on topic

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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you can quick swap to and from it

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:35 AM

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bleak tulip also is there any thing left click smite does that is even worth knowing

very slightly less peril cost lmao

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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and it's a free stun

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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because I dont think I ever used it

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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it is not awful

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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bleak tulip also is there any thing left click smite does that is even worth knowing

no, doesnt do enough damage, and doesnt chain, waste of time

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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originally iirc it was supposed to have some single target damage

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but they scrapped this

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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so chargeable, but you can't do what you can do with BB and just edging peril

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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yeah I read that quick swap but I dont wanna do that?

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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it does negative damage

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you just swap tap lmb and swap back

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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in the p13 trailer

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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you must have the requisite peril for it or else

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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sounds like a lot of effort for next to nothing

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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instantly stuns dogs and ragers i think

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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spice veldt so chargeable, but you can't do what you can do with BB and just edging peril

NODDERS

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:36 AM

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especially since I can just ds4 infinite stagger everything

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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so far i haven't seen a compelling reason to hardcode edge peril

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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it's pretty significant lol

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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yeah i'm certainly not in the business of dedicating more mental resources to peril management

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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if you implied edging peril at 50% i'd agree

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but keeping it red just nerfs your overall damage

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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Is this decent?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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20% more damage and way more crits with like fire trauma and voidstrike

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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Wait wrong sword lol

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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bad finesse

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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but

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it's too much apm for me

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:37 AM

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with 30% reduced quell speed

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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i tried it one game and decided it wasn't for me

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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because you are over 50%

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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This is the one lol

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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no

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bad

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trash

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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first target is the best stat for basically every weapon

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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true pain was old buffed fire rate laspistol with assail and ds4

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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paper lily but keeping it red just nerfs your overall damage

uh no lol

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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bleak tulip bad

RWcry

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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so many goddamn clicks

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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I have no more coins!

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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edging it at 100 is quite a bit more damage

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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just because your single attack did more damage, does not mean you are doing more damage overall

spice veldt Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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lunar hollow so many goddamn clicks

irl pain

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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first target is like the second most important thing on deimos

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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u can dump first target on illisi

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it doesn't apply to the special

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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it's just so much work

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:38 AM

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not the deimos though

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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spice veldt irl pain

😔

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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harsh urchin edging it at 100 is quite a bit more damage

yes

lunar hollow Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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thank god for new laspistol

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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viscid matrix yes

yes but this is a lot of clicking

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probably like 30% more damage or so

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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also fuck my ears I guess

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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but the game makes you work for it

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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I hate edging that hard

paper lily Dec 19, 2023, 10:39 AM

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eh

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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dont wanna turn off the sound entirely but any amount is too much when youre doing that

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Late but BB has some very very niche uses, mostly just for picking tall elites nestled inside hordes by jumping and holding LMB (and hoping it locks on)

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Nevermind, we good I think?

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Or if a trapper, dog is running away around a corner

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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mighty fractal Late but BB has some very very niche uses, mostly just for picking tall elites n...

key word "hoping"

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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thorn kestrel Nevermind, we good I think?

uhhhh nope 😛

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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just use staff

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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this is a... roll over it and keep going

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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thorn kestrel Nevermind, we good I think?

are you level 30 yet

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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harsh urchin uhhhh nope 😛

Sitgryn

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:40 AM

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bleak tulip are you level 30 yet

Yesh

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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if its less than 70 damage its prob a skip regardless

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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bleak tulip I hate edging that hard

just turn it down, i dont have it that loud normaly 😄 i left it up for just the clip

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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Atleast my best weapon is my purgatus lol

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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you want every stat except warp res and mobility over 70%

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on deimos

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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dmg, finesse and first target need to be well rolled ya

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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viscid matrix just turn it down, i dont have it that loud normaly 😄 i left it up for just the...

see I like having the audio queue but not while edging

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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bleak tulip see I like having the audio queue but not while edging

you can turn down peril sounds, and leave everything else as normal

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 AM

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so I just vent like 3 or 4 ticks and live with having fewer crits

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I know

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I want the sound, but not while edging

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:42 AM

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mighty fractal you want every stat except warp res and mobility over 70%

Hold on let me get a sticky note

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:42 AM

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but yes psyker blitzes are immensely boring

summer prairie Dec 19, 2023, 10:42 AM

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better than most

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:42 AM

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thorn kestrel Hold on let me get a sticky note

The reason being that 1. Deimos dodge range and count are very high even with a fairly low Mobility roll, and 2. You rarely use the Deimos' special charge-up

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:43 AM

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idk I kind of want a stun grenade instead of being the stun grenade ngl

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:43 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/41367e899fca900db91424579a1fa80c.png

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:43 AM

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mighty fractal The reason being that 1. Deimos dodge range and count are very high even with a ...

God, if only you knew the sociopath that I am
I love pressing middle mouse DH_Cackle

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:43 AM

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bleak tulip idk I kind of want a stun grenade instead of being the stun grenade ngl

That's what Trauma is for 🙂

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:44 AM

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thats not a blitz

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:44 AM

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husshhhhhh

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just let us skip a blitz

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But yes even something akin to stun/shredder nades would be more fun

ionic needle Dec 19, 2023, 10:44 AM

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Just tried a blaze trauma build and it was actually fun

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:44 AM

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it is very fun yes

ionic needle Dec 19, 2023, 10:44 AM

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Always hated trauma before, but now for some reason I got into it

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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The sound design is immensely satisfying

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It's like hearing a big vacuum go off

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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ionic needle Always hated trauma before, but now for some reason I got into it

I curse you to always hate the fact that you can only use trauma

viscid matrix Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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bleak tulip I want the sound, but not while edging

there is a setting for that, it only reduces the peril sound and doesnt touch other audio at all

its in interface

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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Soul Blaze+Trauma Staff was not a combination I thought would work

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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viscid matrix there is a setting for that, it only reduces the peril sound and doesnt touch ot...

I. Know.

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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It's arguably better at spreading soulblaze than purgatus

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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I told you like three times I am aware Kekw

ionic needle Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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I'm not sure about the build though, but it did well enough to clear maelstrom so I guess it's good

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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or Smite + Shriek

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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unkempt light Soul Blaze+Trauma Staff was not a combination I thought would work

ye it's one of the stronger meta setups atm

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Trauma users are fairly uncommon though

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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but requires too much clicking

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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So you'll still get to be a hipster

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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so i dont play it

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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I have a Trauma build, but it's got the Brittleness Blessing on it and I guess you need to build for Crits to use Soule Blaze on it?

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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I wish trauma was more common

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Because my only Soul Blaze build is on my Purgatus

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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maybe thats a skill issue but the only staves I see are purg and surge and I dont really respect surge at least

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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You have to learn how to slide while charging your Trauma, too

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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unkempt light I have a Trauma build, but it's got the Brittleness Blessing on it and I guess y...

ye you need blazing spirit, nexus as blessings and crit chance on perk

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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I know its not bad but I dont respect surge users tbh

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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both to make aggressive plays and to kite big hordes

ionic needle Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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This is what I'm running atm, anyone got any suggestions for it?

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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DH_Cackle
Time to spam middle mouse again!

ionic needle Dec 19, 2023, 10:47 AM

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Got blazing spirit 3, nexus 4 and 5% crit on the staff so I know it's pretty solid

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:48 AM

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harsh urchin ye you need blazing spirit, nexus as blessings and crit chance on perk

Is the Brittleness Blessing not actually that worth on Trauma?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:48 AM

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it is

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but you don't use it with the fire build

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:48 AM

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That's kinda my rational for using Trauma at all.

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Mmm

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:48 AM

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brittleness + flurry is the other build

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it does less damage, but a bit easier to play and very supportive

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Hey, as long as it works on Auric Damnation, I'm good.

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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everything works on auric damnation lol

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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harsh urchin everything works on auric damnation lol

Or does it?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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the build doesnt matter as much as the player

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Tru, just saying that Top DPS isn't my goal.

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:49 AM

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you just need a build

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that doesn't rely on teammates

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for anything

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so if they all die you can actually save the game

unkempt light Dec 19, 2023, 10:50 AM

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The only Psyker build I haven't tried yet is Gun Psyker, one of these days.

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:50 AM

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gunpsyker is good

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it's just played extremely poorly

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in most of the pubs i've seen

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:50 AM

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there is smikers in auric all the fuckin time, you really dont have to pull your own weight to beat aurics

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:51 AM

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and it has a slightly bad reputation in my brain

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 10:51 AM

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so yeah, just about everything works

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 10:51 AM

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kinda like knife stealth zealots

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i have the build myself and I think it is good

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but the players I have experienced make me assume the worst

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i played with this guy who stealthed in, died, and did the disconnect bug

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and it's like

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"bitch if you're gonna run in and die, at least die with dignity lmao"

thorn kestrel Dec 19, 2023, 11:00 AM

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harsh urchin so if they all die you can actually save the game

But why do that when you can just join Tzeentch?

gloomy magnet Dec 19, 2023, 11:08 AM

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im ogryn, teethzch doesnt let me in

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:09 AM

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lore accurate spelling error

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this big man RP's

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 11:11 AM

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"BIG BIRD" - Tzeentchite Ogryn

idle bay Dec 19, 2023, 11:11 AM

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"Love Ration" - Slaaneshi Ogryn

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:16 AM

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harsh urchin i played with this guy who stealthed in, died, and did the disconnect bug

the one where the ydisconnect and then connect back?
taking the place of bots

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i never understood why people do that in like anything above normal 5

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:17 AM

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skill issues arent difficulty locked

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:17 AM

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if you go down and don't die, you come back alive

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but it's super cheesy

gloomy magnet Dec 19, 2023, 11:17 AM

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very true

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:17 AM

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people who do that are scrubs

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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bleak tulip skill issues arent difficulty locked

as in you purposely chose the harder difficulty, so why are you using these cheese strats to make it easier for yourself now

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its not like a5 gives more plasteel

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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It should

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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people do it to escape nets

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it's funny

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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i used to think that, but now i rather it not.

mighty fractal Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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or they do it if they're cornered by fire

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(then their spot gets taken somehow)

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:18 AM

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because people overestimate their abilities, again, skill issues exist everywhere

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:19 AM

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bleak tulip because people overestimate their abilities, again, skill issues exist everywher...

yeah but for sure its not their first time on auric

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:19 AM

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the game doesnt really give you metrics to judge how much you did natively

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and I seriously doubt even half of players in aurics use mods

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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well it's pretty easy to see how you're doing

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even without mods

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if you're always dead

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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i mean im sure they are aware when they die its their fault
other than corner booom boom into out of map

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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lmao

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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Lol

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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untold niche i mean im sure they are aware when they die its their fault other than corner bo...

unless they're one of those ppl

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who are like

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"omg vet wasn't doing his job"

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"omg ogryn wasn't frontlining"

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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its a mentality thing where people think theyre better and that its everyones fault but their own is my point

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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LOL

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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thats hy they cheese

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM

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that shit is hilarious

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i think its so hilarious

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that people can think it's someone elses fault

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:21 AM

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I mean

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If a role isn’t filling their role then yeah it can be obvious it’s their fault

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:21 AM

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uhm

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once you get into aurics

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you kinda just have to deal with everything yourself

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cuz a lot of times your teammates will get cut off or die

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and if you can't handle some situation, then it's your own problem lol

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM

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You don’t have to tell me that that’s all I play lol

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM

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harsh urchin you kinda just have to deal with everything yourself

i still struggle with this on psyker
granted i havent played since the last time i typed here.

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM

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why do you still have the "role" mentality then lol

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM

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Ive had a similar situation lately, but in reverse

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM

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3 ragers on me and im prob garunteed dead

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Play well, clear almost everything in the front on my own

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But my entire team dies to the horde coming from behind

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:23 AM

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I once had a guy tell me gunlugger is bad because ogryn is meant to rush in and save people so clearly anything other than charge is bad

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:23 AM

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untold niche 3 ragers on me and im prob garunteed dead

ye if you don't have a way to force yourself out

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it's pretty rough

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Meanwhile i get blamed for not protecting the team

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Like bro

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:24 AM

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quartz barn Meanwhile i get blamed for not protecting the team

lol when ppl die and then complain about someone else

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:24 AM

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quartz barn But my entire team dies to the horde coming from behind

i heard zombies only come from the back if people stay at the back
Does this mean you are too far infront?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:24 AM

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the only time that's warranted is if you blow them up with barrel or pox

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:24 AM

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my favourite thing was that said guy was a stealth zealot who coulda just revived them for free

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rolebrain is bad

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:25 AM

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but if someone dies cuz they werent babysat, then it's not the babysitters fault lol

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:25 AM

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untold niche i heard zombies only come from the back if people stay at the back Does this mea...

I guess? Still scuffed since all the gunners + crusher patrols are in the front

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:25 AM

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harsh urchin ye if you don't have a way to force yourself out

learnt about juggling them wth illisi push

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:25 AM

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untold niche learnt about juggling them wth illisi push

which weapon setup are you running

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:25 AM

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voidstrike illisi

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:26 AM

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try out voidstrike dclaw

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voidstrike already handles everything

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so you can take a purely defensive weapon like dclaw

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and parry makes ragers basically useless

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:26 AM

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I mean if a vet is specialized in executioners stance and isn’t focusing on elites/specials then they’re really not filling that role. Why pick that when you don’t utilize it and the rest of the team suffers?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:26 AM

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it just instakills them

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:26 AM

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i tried dclaw parry on rager, after the parry gets proc, another rager hits me :(

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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long stone I mean if a vet is specialized in executioners stance and isn’t focusing on elit...

idk man other ppl can play the game however they want

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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Executioners stance also promotes a bad playstyle

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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but I won't ever blame someone else

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because i die

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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untold niche i tried dclaw parry on rager, after the parry gets proc, another rager hits me :...

also does dclaw horde clear good?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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if they can't kill shit, then i'll just kill the shit

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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Standing still almost always means you get hit

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:27 AM

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untold niche also does dclaw horde clear good?

spam parry

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ye it has good hordeclear

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 AM

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how come i don't see it get mentioned as much as the holy trinity?
ds4, illisi and deimos

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there has to be some bad stuff about it

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 AM

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because it doesn't do as much damage

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 AM

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Because devil claw is underrated

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 AM

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which is all people care about lmao

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but it's insanely strong defensively

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you're basically immune to everything

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psyker gets bugged KD interaction too

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so you're immune to crusher/mauler overheads as well

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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isn't illsi the horde clear / defensive weapon?
it doesn't have great damage either
how does dclaw compare to illisi?

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oh im guessing its because

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dclaw doesn't have

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deflector

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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illisi has much better damage

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and clear

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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As a force weapon yes

golden tartan Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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quartz barn I guess? Still scuffed since all the gunners + crusher patrols are in the front

Sometimes patrols can spawn in between you and the team if you get too far in front

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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but it's not as good defensively yep

golden tartan Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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It depends how far of course

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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Dclaw is the non force alternative

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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harsh urchin but it's not as good defensively yep

wait but illisi can deflect bullets, dclaw can't

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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I dont run up that far xd

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:29 AM

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or am i dumb

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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why do you need to deflect bullets

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you have a voidstrike

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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I stay somewhat close so i can farm downs

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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Illisi is one of the best defensive weapons lol what

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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just shoot them to death lol

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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Also bubble

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:30 AM

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sometime you need to run up to them :p
and i don't use bubble
im too used to (aka too much of a scrub) having vent, vent

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bubble also takes skill to position,
im an average player

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Going back and forth between bubble and shriek is weird true

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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untold niche bubble also takes skill to position, im an average player

Just look down and r1?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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long stone Illisi is one of the best defensive weapons lol what

it's really not lol. it has amazing horde clear and pretty solid single target

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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long stone Illisi is one of the best defensive weapons lol what

meh its dodge and movement is short and slow

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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but defensively it's very middle of the line

quartz barn Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Either i dont care about peril at all, or im like "oh ye wait, gotta manage quelling now"

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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ornate hamlet Just look down and r1?

you know thats not what i mean

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Let the team rally on you

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:32 AM

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untold niche bubble also takes skill to position, im an average player

it doesnt take any skill if you use it selfishly

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:32 AM

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which you should be

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cuz you have a fucking vs

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:32 AM

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quartz barn Either i dont care about peril at all, or im like "oh ye wait, gotta manage quel...

Correct me if I'm wrong, smite doesn't cause you to go boom right? When you reach 100%?
So you can quell, smite, quell, smite

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:32 AM

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just use it on yourself and kill everything yourself

plucky flax Dec 19, 2023, 11:32 AM

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pepesurrender

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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🔥

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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ornate hamlet Correct me if I'm wrong, smite doesn't cause you to go boom right? When you reac...

if you spam at 100% you will blow up but in general it autoquells

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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Eww smite

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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usually this happens to me with bubble
rager come inside, i need to back off, i back off, now gunners can shoot me]

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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its a huge dome that blocks bullets from both sides

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:33 AM

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wich is why i said i don't have the skills needed to position bobble correctly

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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its not really about the bubble placement, its just about using cover

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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untold niche wich is why i said i don't have the skills needed to position bobble correctly

wait how is the rager pushing you out

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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you can use it for cover 100% while staying out of it

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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just voidstrike him

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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yeah thats if its just 1 single rager :v

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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no i mean

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voidstrike literally

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has so much firepower

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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long stone Eww smite

Bruh smite is good if you actually know how to coordinate with your team

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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Void will knock them down

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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you should be able to just blast everything

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:34 AM

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not in hard mode twins hehe

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you have to back up a lot with VS

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:35 AM

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three ragers i can't voidstrike in time to not give up space on bobble

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:35 AM

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hmmge

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:35 AM

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ornate hamlet Bruh smite is good if you actually know how to coordinate with your team

Smite just prolongs a problem just kill the problem

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:35 AM

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smite is fine in high pressure

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:35 AM

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idk might be a skill issue

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i dont think void should have trouble

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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its low pressure where it makes things take longer

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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with 3 ragers

umbral helm Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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I think they've been saying that this entire time

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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harsh urchin idk might be a skill issue

with what exactly
im not missing the shots on those ragers

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sorry if rude

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actually asking

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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doesn't surge proc one shot them?

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and if not surge, then you can 2shot them

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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are you running meta running above 80% peril and getting headshots?

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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obtuse moth are you running meta running above 80% peril and getting headshots?

yeah :v

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i always edge

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and its prob harder to not headshot ragers

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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you dont have to full charge void you know

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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right so surge will one-shot them

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:36 AM

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what charge % are you firing at

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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100%

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:v

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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ah

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you can also left click them

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after your blast them

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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or just stagger them with ds4

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or shout

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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if you need space its better to fire faster sometimes fwiw

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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yep

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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and also finding thresholds for your weapon's oneshots

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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for example

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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long stone Smite just prolongs a problem just kill the problem

Crowd control is a thing?

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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if you do a lot of quick shots

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when firing into the horde

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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i figured out its a waste of time in most games to full charge surge for instance

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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a rager basically should never even come close to touching you as void, especially if you also have ds4

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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charging up all the way is unnecessary

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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You can't kill the problem if it kills you first lmao

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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quickshots as in right click no charge or left click @harsh urchin

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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right click no charge

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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ornate hamlet You can't kill the problem if it kills you first lmao

Sounds like skill issue

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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i usually have thresholds of no charge half charge and full charge depending on the situation

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:38 AM

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right click no charge doesn't even seem to kill one zombie

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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I wouldnt recommend zero charge right clicks since thats actually like zero damage but you can do like 20-50% charges on shit all the time

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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long stone Sounds like skill issue

Idk, it's just my style of playing psyker.
Kill the problem is more my vet

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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also im getting the feeling that im going to learn something totally new in this convo

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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so for void you generally want at least 1% charge fwiw

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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ornate hamlet Idk, it's just my style of playing psyker. Kill the problem is more my vet

Understandable

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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yeah you do need a bit of charge

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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you can horde clear with like 20% depending on buffs

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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wait what

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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but depending on the enemy you only need a bit

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like poxwalkers and trash

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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i thought its always 50%

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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no

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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i can horde clear with 20%???

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tf

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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full charge is basically a waste of time unless its a boss, crusher or mauler or something like that

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:39 AM

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its basically just 'not 0'

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ye

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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how come charge on uh rager for 2 shot?

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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you would probably have known this if you played in the transfer peril era

ornate hamlet Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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long stone Understandable

Aight mizu

long stone Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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ornate hamlet Aight mizu

👍

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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theres a specific sweet spot for maximum cleave and minimum peril gen

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and transfer peril makes it really clear

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:40 AM

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yep

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you're probably too used to play flurry

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voidstrike

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flurry transfer

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where you can just full charge every time

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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yeah before i took surge my staff had flurry, i felt the hit :(

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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untold niche how come charge on uh rager for 2 shot?

also PLOS ANSWER

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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but nexus+surge you can actually micromanage the charge

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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especially with surge nexus you shooting more is you rolling on crits more

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you still gotta feel out the sweet spots

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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yep you'll know exactly where they are

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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and charge depending on the situation

obtuse moth Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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find the minimum effective charge then play with a 10% safety margin

harsh urchin Dec 19, 2023, 11:41 AM

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sweet spot for crit

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sweet spot for non-crit headshot

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etc

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you just feel it out slowly

bleak tulip Dec 19, 2023, 11:42 AM

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but you dont have to full charge even half the time tbh

untold niche Dec 19, 2023, 11:42 AM

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but surge won't always proc right
So i need to test out which range can 1 hit with surge and 2 hit (with minimum charge) rite