psyker-class

[harsh urchin]

to pug

[quasi junco]

if they don't see six million chorus zealots I guess people bail

[harsh urchin]

for me

i gave up LOL

[quasi junco]

guess I'll switch to my zealot

[clear heath]

having a chainsword is really nice for the shields btw

it like 3 shots them with revs

[quasi junco]

i just saw a psyker rq a lobby cuz I joined lol

[potent echo]

Somehow chain weapons destroy shields

But a charged TH does the same damage to shields

So funky

[umbral helm]

maybe their damage negation favors burst damage over upfront

[potent echo]

It's more to do with how TH special works I think

It changes the damage profile

So that you do more vs (xx) armor types

But void shield isn't one of them

Chain weapons just do straight up damage

[clear heath]

I always just assumed the shields had a damage cap per hit or something

[potent echo]

Perhaps

Like spamming lights is usually better than heavy or even thrust heavy

[quasi junco]

lol an exec stance vet in special mission?

[umbral helm]

either way, I've ran a few pugs with the twins. usually the issue is someone hasn't done it yet and isn't ready for the learning curve the fight presents after a comparatively cakewalk stroll to the fight, or they're someone that doesn't work with the team and just thinks if they hyperfocus the boss hard enough they'll win

[potent echo]

They don't respect the elite wave

[clear heath]

I've only done a few runs but every time it's like fresh level 30s that die instantly in the finale

[urban sandal]

most people get to 30 and stop playing shortly after and only come back for new stuff like this so that makes sense

[potent echo]

Yes fresh 30 with no gear

[umbral helm]

like, there's merit to focusing on boss damage because, yes killing the boss is the goal. but, there's more shit besides the boss to worry about, roles can switch depending on who which twin decides to focus on, etc. it's just people not being capable of the bare minimum of cohesion

[clear heath]

yeah fighting the boss in a group of ragers can get very dangerous

tfw when the boss knocks you into a rager pack with 0 toughness

instant death

[potent echo]

Bosses are usually lower priority, kill the adds first then you can deal with the boss at your own pace

Unless the boss is specifically aggroing you, then you should try to hold it

[umbral helm]

yeah. it's honestly not all that different from a regular assassination target in that regard, there's just two of them, and a couple other mechanics thrown in, which seems to throw people off

like, I'm not gonna give people too much shit because we're what, 2 or 3 days into this now? there's a lot of people only just now getting to this, or returning after a break, I don't expect people to do miracle work. just... the bare minimum of being willing to learn

[potent echo]

Unlike regular assassination missions, you mainly have newer/struggling players queueing for the special

Because the regular auric or maelstrom pubs just played once or twice and moved on

[umbral helm]

I'll take someone that fucks up but is willing to learn from that mistake over somebody that refuses to, every time

[urban sandal]

yeah it'll be an awkward spot rn where the 'good' and sweaty players have already played the mission to death and done hard mode so now it's the casuals

[potent echo]

At least this incident might teach people to hate smitekers

[umbral helm]

my friends ran it a few times for the purpose of seeing how consistent we could get it. and, it honestly is a fun fight

but, not really something you queue into repeatedly as much as regular missions, after you've done the thing

[late yew]

wat

[brisk lance]

Hey guys, I know nothing about Psyker, I only leveled it 30 last year and never touched it again but it's next on my list for penances and I am almost done with my Zealot. What are a set of weapons (and a build to go along with it) that are surefire to work in most all scenarios? I got 25k Plasteel to burn.

[potent echo]

Main game is plasteel after all, idk if Speedrunning this is better or worse than a regular mission

[late yew]

I colud not do this mission until i switched to smite

[brisk lance]

Worse

[potent echo]

Uh it's better to get a few 3/4 weapons to try out first than trying for perfect right away

Definitely you can try all the staves as they are viable

Or if you prefer guns, revolver is a great pick for psyker

[brisk lance]

Did the math. I am a Plasteel pig, all I do is go get it during Damnation missions. It averages out (not including load times) to about 675 to 700 Plasteel every three runs which can take about 12 minutes, perhaps more. Average Damnation is 30 minutes or less and you can hit high 700's outside of QP.

[potent echo]

If I don't get at least 800 plasteel from QP I consider it a loss

[somber dew]

What's an ideal setup for perks and blessings on a revolver? For gun psy Mk IIa

[potent echo]

Is that the old volver

[somber dew]

Mhm

[potent echo]

Surgical handcannon

[somber dew]

Fair

[potent echo]

I think crits will dreg gunner on headshot so you don't need unarmored

[somber dew]

Maybe Carapace and Flak?

[potent echo]

I'm not too sure about carapace breakpoints

[somber dew]

Or Carapace and Maniac

[potent echo]

Maniac I think a crit HS kills flamers without

[somber dew]

Oh okay. What are ragers considered? Unyielding?

[lethal lagoon]

Ragers are either maniac or flak

[potent echo]

Maniac for dreg

Flak for flak rager

[somber dew]

Gotcha. Maybe I'll just try out both armor perks

I'll figure it out, thanks for the info

[quasi junco]

time for try #7 on this dumb special mission

LOL a recon gunker.... lets goooo!

[late yew]

the fuck

i don't think i ever had 800

700 is already above average

[brisk lance]

Nah, that's pretty below average

I can get 805 regularly on the Hab-16 or whatever it's called mission, without QP.

[late yew]

liar

[late yew]

i don't believe you

[clear heath]

wtf 805 without quickplay?

[hasty breach]

it's not even the weekend

[clear heath]

do your missions take 30 minutes or something?

[brisk lance]

The new Disruption mission would be absolute king by a mile except for the fact that the last three zones have zero resource spawns, but you can still get as high as 805 without that or QP.

[late yew]

he definitely does

[proper pivot]

https://i.imgur.com/8BTAKrR.jpeg

trauma staff is life

[brisk lance]

Depends on the map and modifier.

An HINT Archivum Sycorax? Yeah that'll take 30 minutes.

Map is huge.

[quartz barn]

This depends on the teams pacing tbh

You want to rush through most areas, but the end where you descend the stairs takes a while

[brisk lance]

Yes, but the map is huge, so I have to run around a bunch of places to check spawn locations

Smaller maps don't have that problem so much

Or if I am with a buddy who also knows where to check and we split up

[thick sparrow]

trying to get back into psyker but brainburst always feels underwhelming on anything that isnt carpace

feels like its not keeping up with just using the surge staff

[glossy ember]

ye pair surge with assail

smite ok too

[quartz barn]

Is the 'smite perks > buffed surge' bug still a thing?

[thick sparrow]

bug ?

[clear heath]

no

it got patched

[brisk lance]

Yeah, that took care of that... two patches ago?

[quartz barn]

Just wondering why youd pair smite with surge now then

Because isnt it just stun with surge, stun more with smite

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge also deals good single target damage, Smite - not really

You can choose what type of control you need in a particular situation, or if you need to easily kill a couple of enemies spread out throughout the room

[quartz barn]

Ye so id figure you want bb or assail with surge for a longer ranged option

So you can actually hit snipers/distant gunners

[quasi junco]

wow on my 11th try of damn special mission

maybe I shoudlnt play this time of day

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s no need for that IMO - you will not be fighting with Surge over great distances, and even then you can spam LMB in the general direction of a distant enemy and eventually kill it

And yes, BB or Assail is more convenient, but their upgrades are somewhat non-negotiable (even if for one upgrade), whereas Smite is good from the get-go

Also, Assail does not have access to Psykinetic Aura, and it’s a relatively good skill node (and you kind of have to take Mind in Motion if you want to take the CDR aura )

[thick sparrow]

surge has pretty good range anyway

[brisk lance]

So, what does Venting Shriek do anyway?

[quartz barn]

Knocks back enemies in front of you, you lose 50% peril and it can prevent you from blowing yourself up when cast during the blowing up animation

[vestal fulcrum]

Technically, or practically?

[brisk lance]

Both?

[quartz barn]

Can also do dmg and set enemies hit on fire with the perks

[brisk lance]

I don't know anything about Psyker, I came here asking about weapons and builds so I can premake mine when I get to it for the penances, which should be sometime next week.

[vestal fulcrum]

Practically you use it to apply soulblaze to a lot of enemies, to vent some overcharge quickly or to avoid entering Perils of the Warp (self-explosion )

And make some space in front of you, I suppose

[late yew]

... why would you combine them

makes no sense

Blitz is your third weapon

why would you hav e 2 single target wepaons

[vestal fulcrum]

Strength of the ability scales with how much peril you have - the higher, the stronger it is

[thick sparrow]

just wanted to see

and surge makes me not wanna use brainburst ever really

just run surge and get a better ability

[quartz barn]

I generlly pick bb if the other 2 are useless

Like when i want to be at 80 peril at all times for warp nexus

Atleast bb has some niche use

[vestal fulcrum]

I’ve given some practical applications above, but for technical stuff, go to Ability section in Pygex’s guide on Psyker:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

Psykinetic Wrath, i.e., Venting shriek, is quite ass before its upgrade

[quasi junco]

lol I was just flamed for not wanting to do bells wiht pubs

'go play sedition noob'

[vestal fulcrum]

People be people

[quartz barn]

I can only imagine how bad hm pub is now that most good players have gotten their clear

I got my clear with a pub on the first day, after a couple unsuccesfull runs with lfg here

[heavy wigeon]

On hardmode?

[quartz barn]

Yes, wasnt too bad

I was on psyk with bubble, teammates were vet with shout and 2 ogryns with the charge

Simply called for a merge when we died at 1/3 hp left and everyone joined

Got it the run after

[heavy wigeon]

Yeah with how many times I've failed today I struggle to envision teams that run smoothly on hardmode.

[quartz barn]

As long as everyone can stay alive on their own itll be fine, just need to make sure to clear bombs

But ye a lot of people cant solo

[proper pivot]

its good because the people who run auric and get carried cannot get carried on hardmode twins

[quasi junco]

im on my 13th try, normal 11x, hardmode twice, no luck

people need to peel and kill maulers/ragers but don't and get overwhelmed

[proper pivot]

a ton of people run auric damnations and get carried and think they are strong players, but they are not and this is the fight they realize they arent as good as they think

[thick sparrow]

hope the old boss fight missions get reworked or something

this feels way more engaging

instead of hit with melee facetank and win

[radiant gate]

I like being carried. I like to carry my staff just like I'm some sort of pope and imagine that others are my servants.

[next turret]

zowie

[hasty breach]

and people are dicks

cool. and you can swap carapace for crit chance at some point even

[vestal fulcrum]

Indeed they can be.

[hasty breach]

they usually are

but who cares

i think like 1/10 people WONT kick you when youre down or exploit or abuse you personally

not just not be dicks online

[glossy ember]

[late yew]

Damn his physique is amazing

[wanton sandal]

billy herrington was great

at least, that looks like him

[next turret]

did he say every inch of his garage is covered in greasy buttholes?

[crude cape]

damn, i much prefer dry sandy buttholes

[cyan brook]

What do you guys think of gun psychic

I want to play one

[long stone]

Incredibly based

[fading depot]

It's good

But a bit specialized

[cyan brook]

Do you got any tips like what gun is best for gun psychic

[long stone]

Yeah it’s definitely a higher skill class since you are a glass cannon a lot of the time but holy hell does it do damage

[long stone]

Either MK2 revolver for crit and rending buffs to assail or Columnus IAG with brain burst scriers gaze and disrupt destiny, las pistols are good too, devil claw 4, dueling sword 4 and ilisi are my top melee picks.

[cyan brook]

The biggest complaint I heard was because the gun psychic takes takes up ammo and one of the biggest upsides to psychic was that they don’t use ammo at all

[long stone]

Eh I’ve had no no problems with ammo all I do is run auric damns

[proper pivot]

dont think hand cannon gives rending buffs to assail anymore

because that was broken as hell

[long stone]

It does

[proper pivot]

i thought hand cannon giving rending to melee and assail was fixed a few patches back

[long stone]

No

Melee yes I believe

Assail no

[proper pivot]

alright so the most broken build in the game still works then

[cyan brook]

Disregarding how the weapon currently is in the game what’s your favorite weapon?

[long stone]

I’m anti assail

Personally

[long stone]

Hmmm either MK2 revolver, standard shovel (old one), or devils claw 4

[quartz barn]

Knife because speed

Getting flamed by teammates is a nice bonus

[cyan brook]

In your opinion, if they did add a fifth class, what do you think it would be if I had to guess it would be a servitor or something the only problem is I don’t really know how the weapons would work for the servitor what do you think?

[grizzled iris]

Fifth class will be an Ork Warlord end of discussion

[fluid knot]

God i wish

Greentide when Fatshark?

[long stone]

Fifth class is kruber obviously

[grizzled iris]

Ubersrikefivetide

[quartz barn]

Space marine

[worn canopy]

About time

[quartz barn]

Then again those guys get their own series

[grizzled iris]

Outhales smoke
Hell.. its about damn time...
MarineTide

[quartz barn]

Thats just space marine 2

[cyan brook]

I personally don’t think space marine will be added for a couple of factors one they would be much more powerful than basically any of the current classes the whole story of dark Tide is that were criminals, sent to die in impossible missions. I’m pretty sure if a space marine committed a crime they would either be acquitted simply because they’re too valuable or they just be killed if it’s too bad to ignore. And they would kind of just be too similar to the ogres, both are big and strong. I guess it would kind of have overlap with a veteran that’s why I think they also won’t add the sisters of battle there to similar to the zealot so now that I think about it, with their initial selection, they basically locked out all of the most popular armys from being classes in this game the only faction I can think might have a class to it now is the tech priests maybe a Scutari?

I think that if they do add add a space marine to the game it’ll probably be an NPC or part of the story like maybe things in tertium become so bad that a space marine chapter chapter is deployed, but they start thinking that joining the heretics is a good idea

[next zephyr]

space marines are badass and they will sell any game they are in

[hollow halo]

i wouldn't mind space marine enemies, plague marines

[quartz barn]

If anything id want more enemies from other factions since we always fight nurgle

[plucky perch]

hey yall you think blitz not triggering perfect timing is intentional?

my mistake they just removed biolightnings ability to crit

[umbral helm]

I don't know that it ever could. that's why people liked it when the random limb targeting was still a thing, easy True Aim stacking

[plucky perch]

yee testing n the psykanarium used to be able to see yellow procs off it

[next turret]

nurgle has a faction?

[strong gulch]

Smite could never crit.

[plucky perch]

hmmm my mistake i guess?>

[strong gulch]

Surge RMB can crit tho.

[quartz barn]

Literally every pox, scab etc are followers of nurgle

[strong gulch]

There was a patch that both surge RMB and smite could hit weak spots. Maybe you're remembering the orange numbers?

[next turret]

the rotten potato faction

[quartz barn]

But no khorne, tzeentch or slaanesh followers

[plucky perch]

still.. managed to get a build for spamming smite into hordes for my allies im happy with,w ith out relying on empowered psionics. and even reliably kill ALOT of chaffe

[plucky perch]

TY your probabaly right

[next turret]

i never hear d of warhammer until i got darktide lol

[umbral helm]

also, the implications that they're receiving direct blessing from Nurgle are concerning

[plucky perch]

took surge to nuke priority targets obviously

[versed hedge]

Just after putting the shield, the overhead aisle brushed two gunners, who were beaten by them and couldn't even move, and were knocked to the ground from full health

[next turret]

what gives you more health bars? i keep trying and im missing

not that i touch anytihing my beloved says its filthy down here

[strong gulch]

Wound curios.

[unkempt light]

The Health "segments"? Those are Wounds, yeah, so grab +Wound Curios

[next turret]

ugh its +1 wound ones

[unkempt light]

There's no +2 Wound Curios as far as I know, so

[next turret]

i thought that was for wounding them lol

im an ape

[strong gulch]

Also, difficulties T4 + will reduce your wounds.

[unkempt light]

^

You'll only have 2 Wounds in Damnation

So if you go down once, the next one will kill you

[next turret]

i have only 2 now i was doing max health and it was a miss

[strong gulch]

In your defence, SO much stuff is not explained in the game.

[umbral helm]

and some of the information that is there, is misleading or just straight up lies

[next turret]

and sometimes it dosent work lool

so many max xp perks

now i have to play so i can fix this mess

[quartz barn]

You never go wrong with a wound curio

• toughness curios are better than health so you dont take as much dmg

[strong gulch]

There are some break points that different curios can get you to.

A lot of curio choice is personal. They support how you play and what your are generally weaker too.

Most people here would not take a wound curio tho; but again, preference.

[quartz barn]

I had one wound curio for the longest time when i was new, nowadays i only use toughness

[strong gulch]

Also heads up that +75 stamina base rating curios have been bugged forever. They are +2 in games even though they say +3.

Yeah. Having a a wound curio while learning the game can be nice.

I like having at least a +21 HP curio because it lets me survive a sniper, burster, or chip damage.

[ionic sorrel]

I usually run stam, health, toughness.

[woven crypt]

Need to optimize my bb + venting shriek method

Any tips chat

[hollow halo]

Where are your pitfalls? What i do myself is get a good (surge) staff and swap to that for quelling, since staffs quell a lot quicker than when equipping your blitz

good for any blitz spam then

[woven crypt]

It's not any particular pitfall but I lag behind other options methinks

I'll post my build when I'm home later and ask again then in a good bit

[hollow halo]

bb + surge staff spam + venting shriek is what i use when i want to be lazy. Venting shriek for horde clear, surge for stun and BB for long ranged specialist

[eager mantle]

I only run BB with EP because fast BB is awesome

[vocal iron]

if im searching for T4 blessings to eat, can i just upgrade to blue or do i need to go all the way to orange?

[strong gulch]

Blues have a chance at getting T4 blessings, but it's a lot lower compared to oranges.

[eager mantle]

Sometimes mommy hadron will bless you with lvl 4 at blue

[cerulean lily]

Not often tho.

[vocal iron]

ok thanks siblings

[vast yew]

oh god you upgraded it

[eager mantle]

Yes

How could I not

[cerulean lily]

Lmao 3%

[eager mantle]

Need to be one with the warp

[vast yew]

I'm out here scraping barrels for plasteel and you guys out here doing this

[eager mantle]

Oh I'm still scraping barrels, I just thought it'd be funny

[strong gulch]

Gotta do the funny.

[vast yew]

to be fair you did get Nexus 4 and Rending 3 out of it

one of those should be a useful sacrifice

[eager mantle]

31ish peril off charge with both -5% peril gen talents

[strong gulch]

When hadron bricks everything, you gotta cope somehow lol.

[eager mantle]

No. This is my baby

[vast yew]

[eager mantle]

Need to run this in my pubs and see if people will comment looking at my weapons

[glossy ember]

i saw a vet with a 1% dmg shovel in auric damn

i was asked to switch to bubble tho so i just left

didnt get to see him play

[eager mantle]

Damn you get people chatting before running?

[glossy ember]

yea

rarely i'm asked to use bubble

or an ogryn says hi

[next turret]

uuugh quickplay keeps putting me in the middle of dumpster fires

[misty cypress]

its usually ogryns

[patent wing]

whats ur hardmode loadout guys

[lyric atlas]

what dueling swor dis best for dealing wiht close combat?

using brain burst/flame mostly

[proper pivot]

MK IV is best duelling sword

[lyric atlas]

im using the 2 maybe thjats why it feels so weak

[plucky flax]

I'm experimenting.

[proper pivot]

MK IV heavy attack oneshots muties in the head which is not very hard to do

[patent wing]

how

[proper pivot]

just get uncanny strike and maniac dmg perk

[plucky flax]

I feel like some sort of gun is best. Melee is always duelling sword because of crushers.

[patent wing]

this is not enough

[proper pivot]

if you have a good roll it is enough

just get a headshot when it runs at you

[patent wing]

i have 80% dmtg roll and this deals 3,2k dmg

with maniac and uncanny4

[proper pivot]

and your other stats on it?

[lyric atlas]

whats dueling sword do vs crushers? i usually just brainburst them

[patent wing]

nvm it was 79% but should be high enough
cleave 79, mobility 79, finesse 76, pen 65

[plucky flax]

DS4 uncanny and heavies stabs.

[proper pivot]

https://i.imgur.com/RGLObrd.png

this one taps mutants in the head

so i guess its your penetration stat

[patent wing]

yeah

but they are not armouredxd

[lyric atlas]

i wish there was a good guide for what weapons/builds want what blessings, i never know which are good

[patent wing]

did u stack uncanny before?

[proper pivot]

no i play trauma staff

[glossy ember]

there is one in the pins

[lyric atlas]

which chan?

[proper pivot]

or just ask here

[strong gulch]

The MK 4 dueling sword heavies do more damage and the H1 and H2 are both stabs. It makes doing a lot of weak spot damage easy.

The MK 2 H1 has the same stab as the MK 4, but does less damage. The H2 is vanguard. However, light spam is a bit easier at managing a horde compared the the MK 4.

[devout robin]

this channel specifically for psyker

ogryn has one as well

[lyric atlas]

oh thanks

zealot too?

[proper pivot]

yes all classes ofcourse

[lyric atlas]

holy crap, so many blessings

[proper pivot]

did you just get the game?

dont craft before level 30

[lyric atlas]

no not really , i have a z and p at 30 but... i never really got uinto weapon crafting , cause it really just felt confusing and not intuitive

but now stuff is actually hard i need to lol

[left basin]

wuh's the best melee for siker right now

[lyric atlas]

its just so hard to find good information on 1) what are the best weapon stats 2) what are the best blessings for a weapon , so its like i have no idea how to upgrade anything properly

[vocal iron]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959 there is this steam guide thats pinned with alot of info

[lyric atlas]

like is this a good roll?

[vocal iron]

nah finesse low

[lyric atlas]

oh thanks, it looked liek it was from earlier this year and the games been updated so much

[vocal iron]

the guide is updated with each patch

[eager mantle]

Depending on how much you play and your desire for min maxing, most weapon rolls will be "fine", the weapon you just showed is 324 base stats. Weapons can go up to 380 base stat rating. Depending on the missions you like to play and how much you play will change your tolerance for unoptimal rolls

[lyric atlas]

ya but this one had 80% in dmg and cleave, so figured that was good

this guide is SUPER helpful tho, i wish id read this awhile ago

thank you

[eager mantle]

Yea it's "fine" but definitely lacking when you can do better.

[lyric atlas]

wish there was a better system then just "buying a million of the same thing hoping it comes out well, now go sell the 60 other things that didnt"

[eager mantle]

We all do

[proper pivot]

with melee you want the mobility stat 50% minimum and the rest as high as possible

[eager mantle]

Best though until it changes get decent stuff and then fine tune when the game blesses you

At least with this system you can get funny stuff like +65% in all stats but 3% warp resistance

[west stream]

Got this one myself, figure I should change +4 % chance for maniac damage?

Not sure I am hitting breakpoint for mutie headshots lately

(I probably should just go into meatgrinder and compare)

[orchid nest]

the crit hit damage is the weaker of the two perks. you can change both perks if you like riposte. or change crit dmg into maniac or carapace and riposte into your choice really

[west stream]

am fine with riposte so will look into changing perk then

[proper pivot]

i would change crit dmg to maniac and riposte to shred or rampage

[obtuse moth]

buy until rating mod is HUGE qol, it autosells and autobuys based on thresholds

[proper pivot]

crit damage is a terrible stat anyway

[summer prairie]

Riposte probably has better uptime than shred

[west stream]

I tend to dodge a lot while scrying anyhow

[obtuse moth]

get rid of crit damage perk always

[west stream]

got that need for speed

[quasi junco]

im about done for today, playing with a zealot who is face tanking the sister with a flamer

dumbasses are ruining this game

[fluid knot]

Powercreep is so high now you've got all the idiots coming into the hardest content because they now feel like gods in malice

[quasi junco]

LOL I can def see this as the case

[fluid knot]

It is. We need a massive FAT nerf wave to player power

[quasi junco]

My last team all died before the first gas phase, how does that happen. Normal mode

[slim lily]

Has anyone passed the hard mode as a psyker?

[quasi grotto]

Was playing with a psyker when I got my clear so it's definitely possible

Dome was clutch

[quasi junco]

This morning I was queueing as psyker and people kept rage quitting the lobby. Switched to chorus zealot and its rare now.

People don't like psykers in their group for this mission.

[orchid nest]

I just went as ogryn

[spiral remnant]

so close to what could have been a god roll

;-;

[serene breach]

did darktide nerf the damage for deimos? the thrust attack is not that strong now

[slim lily]

It is possible but surely is something painful to try…

Is kinda shocking to me that psker in theory who does massive dmg kinda having hard time in hard mode

[ionic sorrel]

Warp rider use to give a flat 10% all the time, it might have been that change?

[quartz barn]

Hard mode isnt about dmg, its about survivability which is psykers weakest trait

[orchid nest]

yeah the warp rider change that hit everything was the only thing. you need a really well rolled one now to 1 hit mutants at 0 peril with maniac

[slim lily]

True

I like the shield a lot

But I can’t keep myself alive

[quartz barn]

All i did in hm was kill elites and diffuse bombs

Occasionally shot at or meleed a shield

Also if you cant keep yourself alive thats on you, literally the point of the mission

Just dodge a lot and stagger maulers and crushers

[slim lily]

Yea

[candid dawn]

anyone know a good psycher build for damnation?

[quartz barn]

Shotgunners are prio because getting staggered in a mine is death

[slim lily]

I am a vet main so

It’s kinda hard for me adapt the more conservative play style

[woeful patio]

The build you tailor to your personal playstyle will be infinitely better for you than generic YouTube build guide #35

[slim lily]

Tho I was more curious cuz my friend told me that he had a rly hard time

He’s running void strike and shield

[lyric atlas]

is this an ok roll?

[quartz barn]

Slide dodge backwards with melee, swap and charge shoot staff, swap back to melee, block + push, repeat

[woeful patio]

379

[quartz barn]

Ez clear

[woeful patio]

Not bad at all

Roll it and post results

[quartz barn]

Now to gamble on 2/4 lets go

[woeful patio]

May Mommy Hadron bless you varlet

[lyric atlas]

is the LMB attack on purg staff worth using at all? or should i only be using RMB?

[woeful patio]

LMB staggers

[orchid nest]

it has really good stagger, you use it to stagger maulers, ragers, stuff like that

[woeful patio]

If someone is running up on you puff them and make distance

[orchid nest]

works well for pushing back poxbursters too as an alternative to melee push

[woeful patio]

Could be worse

Uncanny is great

[orchid nest]

it's pretty decent. I usually prefer a crit blessing with uncanny but rampage is good too so I'd just lean into that and roll both perks personally

[woeful patio]

Even if it isn’t perfect it’s still worth holding onto for when they redo crafting

It’s a 379! Worth keeping for that alone

[lyric atlas]

only took me like700,000 credits rofl

=0

[orchid nest]

another one of those tricky ones, actually 378

but yeah worth holding onto, pretty good

[woeful patio]

I love RNG progression systems!!!1!1!!

[lyric atlas]

not worth putting Shread on in place of rampage?

[woeful patio]

Shred might be better

Don’t see you hitting 3 enemies in a single swing

[orchid nest]

although I have a feeling we won't ever see them remove locks on this tier of rarity and they will just add red item rarity items that can go to 100% with no locks instead as chase end game items

like vt2 reds

[woeful patio]

Red weapons are in the files

Have been since launch

[lyric atlas]

Should i sell all my old weps, the ones i dont surrender for the blessing?

[orchid nest]

yeah I'm aware, I think that is what they will do

they will probably add offensive curios and make higher tier ones there too. so basically every item we have now won't last lol

it's good to hold on to old weapons if they are still decent due to balance changes on blessings and different weapon marks

just depends on what it is and how low rolled it is

[lyric atlas]

ohy i menat like sub 300 gear level ones

like old ass stuff

[orchid nest]

yeah if you already have the blessings on those ones just barter them away

[woeful patio]

Yes

No point in keeping anything sub 369 imo

Unless the blessings/perks are really good

I’m sure down the line (1 or 2 years) they’ll redo how gear is acquired and upgraded but until then I’d sell old stuff to try your luck at high stats

[orchid nest]

I think my ideal deimos for some builds would be 320 but that is the only exception I can think of

[lyric atlas]

best way to farm blessings is just, upgrade crap till it gets the one you want?

[orchid nest]

well there is the efficiency route for both blessings and items to roll that is melks, the armory, and emperor's gifts and there is the mat dumping route that is brunts and upgrading for blessings. where you draw the line completely depends on your patience

[bold fractal]

do people do penances here?

[copper torrent]

What makes you say that?

[orchid nest]

if you scroll down a bit there is vox lfg channels you can use but people do sometimes ask in the class related channels yeah

[lyric atlas]

not bad then? was able to get Shred 3 (only have riposte 4 sadly)

[woeful patio]

Not bad at all

Not T4 perks but that’s very useable

[orchid nest]

yeah it's very useable

[woeful patio]

I’d do Hardmode Karnaks with it

[lyric atlas]

thx!

dude the hard mode secret karnak bell shit is redonk

their health barely moves

[woeful patio]

It’s not that hard with a good team

Tbh the hardest part is deciphering when the gas is safe to move through

But if you have an Ogryn with Bull-Rush he can clear a path for you guys to the next safe area

So it’s super easy

[orchid nest]

yeah and the bull rush will also give everyone a speed buff with that one talent that they most likely have

[woeful patio]

I’d argue it’s mandatory

Tried several runs without Ogryn and it was miserable

[brisk lance]

Before I go spend time in the psyk with loadout_config. Would you guys, in my shoes, leave the perks as is and swap the Blessings to US4 and Slaughterer/Deflector 4, or keep US3, swap the other blessing, and then one of the perks?

[woeful patio]

Kept getting stuck on chaff in the fog

[lyric atlas]

damn thats good rolls but crap level =/

[woeful patio]

Deflector is QoL but that’s a very strong combo

[orchid nest]

ogryns just easy on it in general. standard fnp setup you can like leisurely walk through the fog a bit yourself on it without toughness breaking

[woeful patio]

Uncanny is so good on Deimos

👌

[brisk lance]

Right, but would you leave the perks at 20% and swap out both perks to 4, or swap one to 25% and one Blessing to 4?

[eager mantle]

You want burn/cloud right? everything else is just niceties

[woeful patio]

If nothing else I’d swap the unyielding to flak?

[woeful patio]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

That is just fine, anything 350+ the difference on stat rolls is marginal at best if it's well distributed.

[eager mantle]

Someone who gets it when trying to give reasonable information for those that don't know

[lyric atlas]

Whats the difference on Chained vs On Repeated hit?

[orchid nest]

what does your heavy 2 damage chart read on this one for weakspot hit on maniac?

[lyric atlas]

ya this is what im using now those:

[woeful patio]

Chain means uninterrupted combo

Basically spamming LMB

[brisk lance]

1060

[woeful patio]

Chained heavies don’t count as far as I’m aware

Repeated hit means just that

[lyric atlas]

so you LMB 5 times and your RMB charges faster ?

[woeful patio]

Huh?

Are you talking about warp flurry?

[lyric atlas]

ya

[woeful patio]

Oh it just makes the RMB charge faster on repeated use

[eager mantle]

Don't use purg much. Stats are nice. Idk optimal blessings.

[orchid nest]

you'll be short still of h2 mutant one shot with no buffs and 0 peril anyways then even with t4 maniac so I would personally keep t3 maniac at the very least and I would also keep uncanny 3 as it's the best blessing on deimos for sure. so I'd roll the other 2 to preference

[woeful patio]

So first is normal, second is faster

Great for surge

[hot zephyr]

You can chain heavies or even special, but the window to do so it very very short. I don't have stats to back this up but it's probably sub half second to start the next attack and you can't do anything else between

[lyric atlas]

ah hell, which do i destroy for the level 4 blessing hah

[brisk lance]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[full bane]

This has been me for the past 10 days

I love the mk10 so much

[woeful patio]

Grab warp flurry

Terrifying Barrage is C tier

[lyric atlas]

boom, as close to perfect as im going to get lol, and now i have 542 ordos 😦

[woeful patio]

Based

+2 Stamina let’s fucking GOOOOOO

Best perk tbh

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, replace that ranged damage with +5% crit and that's honestly very nice

[orchid nest]

honestly lower warp resist is great on purg like that if you're using creeping flames because it's genuinely slow to reach the peril needed a lot of the times on it to hit 6 stacks

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-gif-22999859

Purg pairs great with Scrier if you’re running crit dodge

Rewards you for playing like an idiot

[thorn cedar]

I mean if you have a giant flamethrower wand

[woeful patio]

Can be clutch in super niche situations

[thorn cedar]

Does the 1-2 extra scream stacks really matter

[hot zephyr]

It depends if you're a float-peril build too. If you want to float peril for the TDR/Warp-Rider/etc for the bonuses

[quasi junco]

wooo finally beat normal damnation, not going to attempt hard mode 😛

[thorn cedar]

Do eet. Get your nuts crunched.

[eager mantle]

Couldn't convince my friend to go try it

[orchid nest]

they can very important, yes. up to 6 stacks, but these go above the normal cap of your purg staff. so instead of capping at 15 stacks, you go to 21 on elites and monstrosities

[quasi junco]

damn I kinda got carried, maybe I'll try normal again

[woeful patio]

Scoreboard is bias to its installer I can’t say I’ve ever had a match where I didn’t have the highest score

I’m 100% convinced it’ll just give you points

[eager mantle]

Nah

[quasi junco]

I disregard the points, look at the damage etc

[lyric atlas]

what makes stamina so important? sliding to avoid ranged?

[mint pivot]

That screencaps just shows how you got absolutely dumbstered by quilmfph

[woeful patio]

Blocking while reviving

🤷‍♂️

[quasi junco]

Too bad boss damage is bugged, I stayed on the twins like hell

[mint pivot]

Stamina is something that only subhuman non psykers have to think about

[woeful patio]

I run Kinetic Deflection 100% of the time so Stamina isn’t a concern

[hot zephyr]

Stamina is just nice to have for sprinting, usually in a purge build your mobility is typically bad, hence why purge is usually paired with a high mobility weapon like DS4 or Combat Knife

[mint pivot]

KD ❤️

[orchid nest]

what about me though

[woeful patio]

Kinetic Deflection my beloved

[mint pivot]

You are the deviant that enforces the rule

[icy wyvern]

Tfw I’m busy blocking and switch to my staff only to realize mid-click that I’m at max peril

[orchid nest]

[quasi junco]

you cant die from KD if at high peril tho

die from peril *

[woeful patio]

You can die from swapping between staff and force sword though

Shits so fucking buggy

[hot zephyr]

if you run a high float peril build like assail weaving / warp-rider / gaze, then stam is great because you might need to block at critical peril

[mint pivot]

Is it only the twin bosses that can push you beyond critical peril due to blocking? Because i have never before almost blewn up multiple times simply from shivering in corner behind my sword

[icy wyvern]

Yes, but trying to slap a eager and not checking peril first has caused and will continue to cause me to blow up.

[hot zephyr]

Getting your block broken because you had no stam is usually an instant-down on high difficulty

[orchid nest]

yeah KD is really good, stamina also makes it even better so there is that. you can generally trade one for the other too though

[icy wyvern]

Rager, autocorrect is evil

[digital narwhal]

Akchually
KD Peril %age is calculated by the Stamina %age you’d use to block the attack, and so higher total Stamina means lower Stamina %age used, and thus much higher block efficiency for KD

[mint pivot]

STAMINA IS FOR ZOOMIES, PERIL IS FOR DEFENSE

[icy wyvern]

my crits are for zoomies

The rest is icing

[mint pivot]

crits are there to take the zoomies to next level

[woeful patio]

Nooooo Psyker you can’t sprint everywhere and run exclusively stamina regen perks with kinetic deflection and peril it isn’t fair to the Ogryn!!!!!

[icy wyvern]

Crits are zoomies, stam is nitrous

[woeful patio]

Crits walk so stam can run

Peril is in a car

[mint pivot]

Nothing quite like doing the chad move and slow walking up to 10 gunners with your magic sword infront of your face to assert dominance and open the way for the adhd zealot to get to melee

[woeful patio]

KD Psyker with Deflector is better at tannin Daemonhost than slab shield

[icy wyvern]

Does blocking ranged take more stam than blocking melee

[mint pivot]

I can quarantee you that doing that even once gets you a zealot/ogryn babysitter for life

[woeful patio]

I mean

[hot zephyr]

I like bubble shield for this. Use it as a door/hallway breaching charge basically to get through without ranged damage. It's great

[icy wyvern]

Seems like it eats my bar when I’m not running kd

[woeful patio]

Yes?

Gunners will consume your stamina

But normal shots are probably backstab stam cost

[icy wyvern]

Not even gunners just regular shooty boys

[woeful patio]

Maybe normal

Deflector is worth taking though

God if it was a talent instead of a blessing

[mint pivot]

so fucking broken

[woeful patio]

💦

[icy wyvern]

Dueling sword my beloved

[mint pivot]

like literally would negate the need for any other builds/classes

[woeful patio]

I refuse to use anything that isn’t a force sword

I’m space wizard I will magic

[orchid nest]

let's just go back to them being built into the sword itself like when illisi and deimos first released 😎

[icy wyvern]

Dueling sword is still psyker only

[mint pivot]

I kinda liked the dagger. But then i ran in to situtation where i needed to ignore ranged specialists and the dagger didnt block that bullshit 😄

[hot zephyr]

Deflector is a crutch. Reaper packs can still cut through your peril really quickly and leave you in the open with no block

[woeful patio]

Unless the dueling sword allows me to imbue it with warp I don’t care for it

[mint pivot]

I just want deflector on dagger just to leave them speed zealots to dust

[woeful patio]

If you’re trying to tank a reaper with deflector you don’t need a crutch you need glasses

[mint pivot]

Motherfuckers can run all they can but i will be in the next zip code before they reach the next checkpoint

[woeful patio]

Deflector negates annoying minor ranged units and that’s enough to make it S tier

Plus it comes with (30%) block cost reduction at T4

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

Deflector + KD makes you borderline immortal

[verbal flint]

Ah, this hours expert opinion on meta. Let's tune in.

[orchid nest]

as far as I know the BCR still only applies to ranged blocks but looking for confirmation on that as well. just too lazy to test it myself

[thorn cedar]

god i had way too much fiber yesterday

[mint pivot]

We dont know shit, but we have very strong opinions. Also you are all stupid af

[verbal flint]

Bricked up, are we?

[thorn cedar]

yes its ranged block only that gets the BCR

[woeful patio]

Meta is cringe

I build for flavor and what I like

[thorn cedar]

dude its gonna be bad in about two hours afrer a coffee

[icy wyvern]

Meta mis huevos en tu boca

[hot zephyr]

I agree whole heartedly. Meta is great to know combos and understand mechanics, but a good player knows what THEY can use most effectively for their playstyle and personal strengths/weaknesses

[eager mantle]

Yea. Like my lovely columnus empowered by the warp

[icy wyvern]

Y’ever have to shit so bad your back hurts

[verbal flint]

No, have hurt my back shitting however.

[eager mantle]

I don't because I have plenty of daily fiber for smooth movements

[icy wyvern]

It was mostly while I was deployed

[lyric atlas]

holy shit the right perks/weap rolls i feel like superman compared to before

[icy wyvern]

Good builds are good but purposely running goofy builds is comedy

[verbal flint]

Gotta have the tetrazzini every couple days, cleans you right out.

[icy wyvern]

Idk what tetrazzini is but all we’d have was chicken breast and rice

[glossy ember]

having people frontlining for me makes surge staff with scrier a very chill experience

[icy wyvern]

I have a hard enough time managing my peril without throwing scriers in there thanks

[glossy ember]

it's not so bad!

[verbal flint]

Long ago it was a cursed MRE. Turkey Tetrazzini, no man could eat it and remain in comfort.

[icy wyvern]

I only envied the variety of MREs compared to galley food

But I’m sure there were more bad ones than good

would’ve been nice to get those sports drink powders every once in a while

[verbal flint]

Far more, but some of the sides were still good.

Squeezey peanut butter became a long term addiction for me, still eat it out of the jar almost twenty years later.

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-death-goodbye-gif-23845288

[icy wyvern]

We became condiment alchemists.

Ketchup, mayo, pepper, Worcestershire sauce, and bam

Cane’s sauce

[woeful patio]

Giving me diarrhea reading that

[icy wyvern]

we did what we must

[verbal flint]

Yumyum sauce was our secret ingredient

[ionic sorrel]

What's in yum-yum sauce?

[left basin]

perfectionist or lingering influence

[dim parrot]

actually wanna switch from vs to sg :o

[lyric atlas]

so uh , one shotting mutants is wayt better tahn not doing that, hot damn IV>II

[woeful patio]

Yeah fuck mutants

Hate them

(Ogryns are okay tho)

[verbal flint]

A japanese steak sauce

[left basin]

HAHAAHAAA

WARP NEXUS SURGE

it's kinda weird how i got voidsurge before release

[long wharf]

The best MRE of the older generation was definitely beef stew

[left basin]

and actual surge more than a year after

[woeful patio]

Surge and Trauma are my favorite Staves no contest

Hope we get more soon(tm)

[long wharf]

The more I use trauma the more I dislike the aiming

While appreciating more its CC

The surge staff isn't in a good place right now

It needs to do more damage

And be able to stun a charging mutant with a single full charge

[left basin]

void gang

[ionic sorrel]

But it's so fun :x

[woeful patio]

Yeah the aiming is ass and needs changing

100%

Weapon is unuseable if you’re on stairs or grated floors

Tiny lip in the floor geometry? Congrats no damage

You wanna hit the dude across the room from you? (Looks at the ceiling and prays it lands)

[left basin]

nevermind i am not happy

[woeful patio]

The VFX swirly can be DIRECTLY BENEATH a dudes legs and only stagger instead of blowing grunts into meaty chunks

[left basin]

surge sucks ass

[woeful patio]

You will die for this sin

[tired geyser]

praise the Emperor for these blessing rolls

[ornate hamlet]

real and true

[glossy ember]

based

we failed but i left an impression

scab melee maelstrom is rough

[woeful patio]

GOAT

[glossy ember]

not even halfway and I had 520k total damage, the sheer amount of enemies

2k crit from surge rmb in an actual match

[bold fractal]

those are some nice looking mods

[glossy ember]

shoulda popped scrier earlier in this clip but i didn't notice i had it up

[glossy ember]

i got the essentials

[tired geyser]

I'm concerned a little bit about charge rate, but everything else looks quite good. Now reroll perks and good to go

[woeful patio]

Charge Rate will be better since you have flurry anyhow

Surge already charges ridiculously fast

[next turret]

its a dogshow in game today

[tired geyser]

base is pretty good, actually. and with flurry it will be 0.8875 NOIIICE. now breach into the warp!

[next turret]

i did a run, a horrible run, with 2 people named pizza and dracula

im gonna rename myself sandwich-frankenstien

[glossy ember]

how does this condition affect psyker blitz?

[cloud heron]

lower peril generation.

[tired geyser]

reduces peril costs and gives extra charges on assail, as far as I remember

[cloud heron]

does anyone else have trouble hearing poxbursters? I swear they used to be a lot louder

[glossy ember]

nice

[woeful patio]

Audio Issues have been a problem for a few patches now

Silent crushers and trappers are common

[cloud heron]

I feel like it's always poxbursters specifically for me

[woeful patio]

I recommend the Spidey Sense mod

[tired geyser]

and no audio + visuals sometimes on vet's plasmagun

[woeful patio]

Good patch until the issue is fixed

[terse shore]

might as well ask here since no one ever responds in lfg but is anyone up for malleus monstronum?

[ripe bear]

does enfeeble proc on smites damage its self as like a self buff or does the 10% damage only add 10% to other damage not smite

[woeful patio]

I wouldn’t encourage taking Enfeeble regardless of wether or not it applies to its own damage

But as far as I’m aware it’s a status so yes it should apply to itself

[ripe bear]

more jumps then?

[woeful patio]

Not that you should be using smite for damage

But yes more jumps Mashallah 🙏

[ripe bear]

are we using empowered psyonics for smite or

[woeful patio]

No

[ripe bear]

y

[woeful patio]

Warp Charges with -peril gen

[ripe bear]

50% more jump

in fire reborn?

[ornate hamlet]

the new twins map i put corruption res on all my shit and it seems to help with the boss

[woeful patio]

The boss doesn’t give corruption

That’s the brap stank and it’s avoidable

[ornate hamlet]

from bomb no

doesnt it help

[woeful patio]

The poxwalkers give corruption too and yeah the bombs but you shouldn’t be getting hit by those

Tbh I run over any I see simply to clear them out

[ancient latch]

whats a good build now guis

[tired geyser]

depends on your playstile and gear, just check gameslantern

[ancient latch]

assail how nerfed now

compared to realease assail

[tired geyser]

RN I'm using nomanus, smite, kinetic presence, shriek, warp siphon

[sullen bobcat]

Actually balanced and not a primary weapon anymore

[ancient latch]

sounds weak

alright i guess ill do a few runs and see whats up

[shadow wigeon]

Has anyone found a Scier's gaze staff build they like?

[sullen bobcat]

Yes

Surge voidstrike crit build for gaze

[bold fractal]

Y'all like Deimos or Maccabian mk IV for single target?

[sullen bobcat]

Turning it on means shit's gonna die

[sullen bobcat]

I prefer Deimos generally

[bold fractal]

Slaughterer and Deflector?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that one did work out reasonably well - did you use Transfer Peril or Nexus?

[woeful patio]

They’re multiplying

[sullen bobcat]

Deflector

[sullen bobcat]

What are they again?

Slaughterer implies you expect to horde clear with a Deimos which is massively "but why"

[shadow wigeon]

Nexus = +crit for peril, transfer peril = quell peril on headshot.

[sullen bobcat]

I have both I think

I'd have to check. I usually grab a ton of things from the top

[bold fractal]

maybe uncanny strike then?

[sullen bobcat]

Gaze voidstrike has a massive peril issue and I dumped everything I could into peril management

[shadow wigeon]

no, the are blessing on your staff.
I mean what second blessing after Surge

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah that's good

[sullen bobcat]

Nexus

Maximize surge

And gaze is also a massive peril boost

That you severely need to micromanage to prevent yourself from the kaboom

[vocal iron]

whats the roll on that knife? uncanny and flesh?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, of course.
That's why I was playing between Nexus/Transfer
You can extend Gaze with Transfer pretty well, but at a mega reducyion in crit rate. Gaze crit rate without Nexus was fine, but during cooldown, it sucks.

[sullen bobcat]

I decided to put all my eggs into one basket and max out crit rate

I don't really use gaze that often. It's more of an emergency button

Or if a monster pops

Since Nexus surge is already really strong

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I'll give it another chance, only ran 1 game with it. I tried using Gaze every fight, but the timing is very weird, it'll run out mid fight, and the cooldown is pretty long. I can see why you might only use it selectively.

Also that wouldn't burn the warp stacks so quickly either.... hmmmm

[woeful patio]

You know you can quell to extend gaze duration right?

By like, a lot

[shadow wigeon]

Yes... we're talking about going to limits of Gaze

[woeful patio]

Ah

[shadow wigeon]

You run out eventually, and I find if you pop Gaze everytime you want to fight, you're going to consistently run out before the whole fight is over. So it's best used when you really want that turbo boost, like @sullen bobcat suggested.

The urge to use Gaze every time it's up is strong, but it seemed not ideal to do that in practice.

[sullen bobcat]

I also use gaze with the weakspot boost to really max out damage

[shadow wigeon]

FWIW I had a lot of fun with Purgatus Gaze. It's much less risk because you will naturally cut off at 100%, if you started your blast below threshold. (but i dont really recommend it as a build, just meme)

[sullen bobcat]

Once I got more comfortable with it, I stopped using the less peril generation

[dim parrot]

hell yeah🍃

[shadow wigeon]

get out

[shadow wigeon]

I had totally overlooked at, but that makes wayyyy more sense for void.

Esp. with Surge... wow, ok, epiphany. Thank you.

[glossy ember]

yes

50 mobility 75+ everywhere else

and it's flesh tearer 3

[next turret]

the meperor gave me this

[shadow wigeon]

Ok, just gave it a try, and this actually makes the build work. Huge change, I can't beleive I was overlooking how important this is.

[lucid flicker]

i am here to disturb the cobwebs

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventures-jjba-joseph-joestar-eyes-bugging-out-gif-15752199

[elfin geode]

I've been kinda feeling a little annoyed with my psyker lately

Just don't feel impactful enough

A few patches ago I felt like psyker was soooo strong and then I spent a lot of time on my zealot and trying to go back to psyker felt like a power loss idk

[vocal iron]

nice thanks

[willow hazel]

What builds are you playing?

[elfin geode]

I feel like I've tried it all but mostly like

Uhhh

Purg + BB

Assail + purg

Illisi and dueling sword mostly

[willow hazel]

I don't feel too impactful if I use purge either.

[wheat tulip]

So what is it about Obscurus that makes it worse than the other two to the point its not even brought up? The move set that bad?

[elfin geode]

Well now that I think about it, those are the only builds I've had success with

I'm not interested in gun psyker at all really, but I tried to run trauma and vs and they felt p bad to me Idk

[clear heath]

There isn't really anything that obscurus excels at

[elfin geode]

Surge staff also felt kinda bad

[prime elk]

purg is just nice and chill

[shadow wigeon]

hey vintage sneakers arent comfortable but they look great

[wheat tulip]

dueling sword with scriers smacks hordes around and it lasts forever, you can already quickly kill elites

[shadow wigeon]

Surge + Creeping Flames is crazy strong.

[willow hazel]

So in my experience, the Surge staff is better at soulblaze than that purgatus. Run all the CDR talents and creeping flames, then focus elites for PC procs and spam vent above 85% peril

[shadow wigeon]

Yep, it's so fun, and very strong.

[wheat tulip]

the only reason I pack purgatus is hordes, it kills them super fast and its the only weakness I feel like I have on psyker

[elfin geode]

Purg + assail + ds is fun because there's a weapon for everything but

I get bored of it

Assail for gunners/stuff out of reach of purg

Ds for armor

Purg for everything else

[shadow wigeon]

Purg was very strong before the big patch, now hordes are much smaller and it's just less impactful.

[willow hazel]

Not snipers sitting outside of Assail range

[elfin geode]

Notable weakness, yeah

[elfin geode]

Hmm can you explain/link surge explanation?

I don't really understand its dmg I guess

[willow hazel]

Run somthing like

Any melee is fine, but I like the dueling sword

[shadow wigeon]

Is my Surge build.

[outer spindle]

the emperor protects

[shadow wigeon]

w/ Shred/Slaughter Illisi

[willow hazel]

The idea is just to use as many shrieks above 85% peril as possible. Ult a horde, kill a couple elites/specialissts to reduce it's CDR and apply more soulblaze, then ult again. I have had hordes where I just ult 3 times in 10 seconds.

[shadow wigeon]

Realistically I almost never use melee, and never use blitz ever.

[elfin geode]

OK I'll give this a shot

Followup question

How we feelin about BB these days

[shadow wigeon]

Shriek at 100%, and go as fast as you can. Sprint to kill elites. Your toughness sutain is so high you can get through mission with 0 damage.

[willow hazel]

This is why I run an mk4. It's extra mobility for free, and Surge -> cancel with q -> h1 is a lot of burst damage

[elfin geode]

After the illisi nerfs I finally checked out the dueling sword and was actually stunned at how good it is lmao

I just get bored with it idk

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I have considered going knife/ds for mobility, it is a bit weak, and you practically dont need your melee anyway so may as well.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I just don't love DS. Played it to death when it was the only good psyker weapon way back when, and just dont love how it feels. But in many ways it's the ideal.

Illisi is comfortable but actuallyunderperforms for surge/flames build.

[elfin geode]

I loved old illisi but can admit it was a little overtuned

And yes, unlimited dodge is bad for the game 😂

But I miss it

[shadow wigeon]

It was very silly, I dont miss it because i dont have to ever crab walk or see another psyker crab walk.

[elfin geode]

Yo wait something else I've noticed

When I slide spam as psyker

I begin Stam regen before I even stand up

Allowing for infinite slides

Why this

[vast yew]

Psyker has the lowest Stamina Regeneration Delay of just 0.5s

[elfin geode]

Ooooo

[shadow wigeon]

Small notes from my experience:
I ditch Battery because I recorded how many times I made it to 5 or 6 stacks and it was very rare.
Wildfire is actually a decent boost every time you want to melee a horde that you just lit up. It's not necessary but I get a decent damage drop when I dont use it. (assuming you care about meleeing hordes, which is optional with this build really, it's just... fun i guess)
I gave up KD as well because I just never had melee out. It's still very good of course, and I'll use it on maels.

[vast yew]

that seems like a very top-heavy tree

pretty sure you don't need that much toughness regen

[proven stirrup]

Man what the entire fuck is going on with my connectoin to this game????

[vast yew]

might as well throw my Surge build up though

[proven stirrup]

For the last several days I've been lagging terribly during my runs and my connection seems to be fine otherwise.

This makes zero sense

[vast yew]

game's servers have been a bit funked

[ionic sorrel]

Might not need it, but oh boy is it nice to have a bunch of toughness regen.

[shadow wigeon]

It's excellent. You're basically invulnerable, you can sprint the whole mission basically.
For a hard mael i will switch to:

Anything below that, go for max regen and you are a god.

[vast yew]

see I pretty much only play Aurics, and if it's not an Auric I don't feel the need to specifically change the build for an easier run

[shadow wigeon]

Sorry I don't follow? This is an auric build..

[vast yew]

hmm misinterpreted then

[shadow wigeon]

For a top 3 difficulty mael, i will switch to the second build

Just for defence/utility.

You can walk through many aurics with 0 damage taken with that build.
Max CDR on curios, gunner resist, the rest doesnt matter really. I use + stam often for more sprinting.

(on auric. on mael, ill go more defence)

[vast yew]

I don't typically change the build from Mael to Auric, but there are certain Maelstroms where I only take certain staves/builds

like if I see Scab Melee I slap my Blaze Trauma loadout immediately

but I don't typically change the loadout itself

[violet oak]

The only time ive ever changed my build is for the twins

[vast yew]

twins are different story yeah

[violet oak]

And that was so I could take a dome to keep rodin from shooting my team mates

[shadow wigeon]

there's a mod for 12 loadouts so it's NBD to make a few tweaks to headline builds.

[devout robin]

you run surge w this?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, it's a Surge/Flames build. Flurry/Nexys on Surge.

[devout robin]

mhm

makes sense

not really worth the mileage to take the first subnode on bb for the faster burst?

[shadow wigeon]

You will never use your blitz, there is no time

[devout robin]

figured but wanted to confirm

makes sense when illis/surge and soulblaze covers everything else

[vast yew]

if never using blitz then why not take Smite

[devout robin]

i will appropriate this

[vast yew]

when you do don't take Wildfire

[devout robin]

hm? why not?

[vast yew]

the way it works, mechanically, is pretty sad

[next turret]

i got me a +1 wound

[shadow wigeon]

smite just has no utility, and BB at least once ever few games.... you can find that one sniper that's in a bad spot, and you dont feel like using L1 on him

but honestly.... maybe once every 10 games I'll us eit.

[vast yew]

Smite is nothing but utility

it sure isn't killing anything lol

[cloud heron]

smite is overrated

[shadow wigeon]

Sorry I meant with this build

[cloud heron]

just kill things

psyker has AoE for days

[vast yew]

Smite is a panic button, not a primary strategy

[devout robin]

smite would be more value in those oh-shit moments if you really needed to get someone off, though i figure there are better tools people prefer in this case

[vast yew]

Smite-spam bad, using smite to delay a Crusher wave for a few seconds when your team is out of position good

[shadow wigeon]

It is by far my most played build. vs nurgle's blessing on mael, you have to be careful.

And vvv important use your L1 on staff as well.

[vast yew]

I only run it on my Voidstrike, because you don't really need the other 2 blitzes there

[shadow wigeon]

It depends on your build... with this build, i will just start killing them.

[devout robin]

my only question is why not the soulfire % for warp charges over the 4%

[shadow wigeon]

You won't necessarily kill much with Soulfire, it's mostly jsut free damage.
You are sprint killing elites, though.

[vast yew]

You don't have to kill things with Soulblaze to trigger In Fire Reborn

it's why IFR is one of the only usecases where Wildfire makes sense

[devout robin]

actually the soulfire one still procs if you just kill something that has soulfire on it

it's how i got warp battery penance actually

[vast yew]

heck I think even if a teammate kills it while it's burning you still roll that 10%

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I know, just that you aren't using Soulfire as broadly - you somtimes just vent to keep sprinting.

[devout robin]

that's valid

[shadow wigeon]

So broadly, I found 4% more productive, especially in between fights.

Teammates picking off randos will get your WC's up

[vast yew]

I would need to see a vid of how exactly one of your runs goes because I have some doubts that you're constantly sprinting, constantly killing elites, but also rarely getting to 5 or 6 warp charges

that doesn't add up to me

[shadow wigeon]

Truly the only time this suffers is when there's a dearth of elites.

[shadow wigeon]

Because you always vent

I recorded a run and spreadsheeted out my WC's for 15 mins of gameplay.
6 was very rare, and 5 was quite rare. Enough that it was not meaningful.

[opaque charm]

I left Psyker because every build I tried felt too squishy 😭

[vast yew]

15 minute Auric run?

Now I extra need to see a vid

[opaque charm]

Anyone know how to make a tanky Psyker?

[shadow wigeon]

No, I mean I just recorded WC's for 15 mins of gameplay...

[devout robin]

you will need to dodge on psyker like every other class but tankiest psyker would be something like purgatus crit spam w/ bubble

[vast yew]

You use your staff to kill anything before it can hit you

dead enemies deal 0 DPS

[devout robin]

this game is very much a 'don't get hit, don't get out of position, kill before being killed'

[wanton sandal]

run a force sword and the peril block ig?

[shadow wigeon]

Because I suspect that Battery was not worth it.
You can absolutley go battery if you want to hold on to WC"s longer, though.

[vast yew]

on that note, if you're getting hit constantly you probably need to work on mechanics

[wanton sandal]

psyker is inherently not very tanky

[violet oak]

alright, just got this from the emperor

[wanton sandal]

tho i think there's a melee psyker build out there in the wild

[violet oak]

What should i change

[vast yew]

well you definitely don't want Thunderstrike

[wanton sandal]

finesse less than 81%, scrap it and try again

[devout robin]

bubble, purgatus w/ warp nexus and soulblaze/crit talents will help you stay alive

[vast yew]

lemme check the ATheneum

[violet oak]

Actually?

[wanton sandal]

(no)

[devout robin]

it's very effective as long as you carry another weapon that puts in boss damge

[violet oak]

too late, returned to the emperor. Going for a 90%

[wanton sandal]

ideally finesse would be higher but you won't get a better sword than that for a long while

[devout robin]

i usually do bb and mk iv

[vast yew]

Atheneum says Thunderstrike -> Savage Sweep, then replace Weak Spot with Crit chance or Flak

[shadow wigeon]

Shred + Sweep,

[vast yew]

maybe Maniacs instead

idk test it and see which perks gives the breakpoints you like the best

and if none of them do crit chance is never bad

Carapace is kind of mid but it's better than Weak Spot Damage

[opaque charm]

Am I incorrect about the assumption that Purg is thought of as "the worst staff" at the moment?

[wanton sandal]

i think dclaw needs maniac for the onehit weakspot kill but idk, havent tested

[devout robin]

before i answer that

[shadow wigeon]

dont forget to consider these 2 if you're running crit melee. Even without a crit staff, they're decently strong, if you spend a lot of time in melee.

[devout robin]

why is it "worst" to you

[vast yew]

by strict definition one of them has to be the worst, so it's usually considered worst.
But it's still a good weapon.

[violet oak]

I don't plan on changing my tree but thank you for the info

[opaque charm]

I think mostly because dealing with elites/specials is much more important than horde

[violet oak]

Why that top node if i may ask?

[vast yew]

I mean honestly unless you're running a Rending/Flurry Trauma then you pretty much always have crit stuff on Psyker, so those 2 are usually pretty great

[shadow wigeon]

It's the weakest right now, but partly because they changed the hordes so much with the xbox update.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I don't think I run any build without them at this point....

[wanton sandal]

fire trauma accomplishes the same horde clear role but provides cc as well :^

[devout robin]

in which case this is not a correct assumption imo

[vast yew]

top node is toughness regen and movespeed on crit, which since Psyker is almost always built crit, it's great.

[devout robin]

purgatus deals with anything that isn't a sniper or carapace well if they are caught abalze

[opaque charm]

Well as you can see a bunch of people just called it the worst lol

[devout robin]

issue is distance and armor

[pale pilot]

bluh

having real trouble with the twins

[wanton sandal]

hard mode or normal

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I was just being polite, heh. You'd need a good reason not to run the top one, at least.

[pale pilot]

normal but also hard

[opaque charm]

Yeah I think Psyker is not great for that boss fight

[devout robin]

you can compensate by runnign something like brainburst and bubble to have a long range option, more direct boss damage, and breathing room to close the distance

purgatus is great when it's built towards

issue is that it needs a lot built alongside it for it to function at its best

[wanton sandal]

you really just need a balanced team for 5 twins

[vast yew]

The main benefit of Purgatus is the same main benefit of Surge: less thinking required

[shadow wigeon]

On normal damnation difficulty, Trauma + bubble was ok. But it's not a good fight for psyker, really.

[vast yew]

Who cares about headshots or precise aiming, I'm letting my brain take a break

[wanton sandal]

someone to deal with the horde and CC, someone to take out the elite spawns and shit, someone to dish out damage, etc

[devout robin]

surge and voidstrike are both very generalist and decent weapons that are easy to use

so they can fit onto different builds better

trauma i have no clue because i don't really like it

[wanton sandal]

i frequently get highest damage running dueling sword + uncanny and shred with peril blocking, along with fire trauma and smite

[vast yew]

it also helps that they're fairly easy to build; Purg has some required stats, but pretty much any 370+ Surge will work, and they're both almost impossible to truly brick at Hadron

[wanton sandal]

it's a good fight for psyker, but you REALLY have to hope you dont get aggro'd a lot by rinda so you can deal with the other enemies

[wanton sandal]

trauma's my fave

:)

[opaque charm]

Tbh when I played Psyker I was taking advantage of BB causing SB stacks (Wrack and Ruin) and then used the Shredder Auto-pistol to do damage + buff the Soulblaze damage. The patch 13 rework seems targeted to ruin that build

[wanton sandal]

cc and pretty high damage staff if you can aim your booms

[vast yew]

Trauma and Voidstrike are both quite insane

easily the strongest 2 staves, but they require aim and practice

Voidstrike to hit headshots and Trauma to get a feel for exactly how long to charge it and its funky aiming

[opaque charm]

Void would be my pick if I had to use a staff

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I get that. That's a very strong build, definitely requires more game knowledge than most to run well. DS destrosy if you use it properly.
For less advanced played a Rending Traume will at least be cc/damage/debuffs without too much trouble. (for the twins fight)

[vast yew]

They also both require specific builds

[shadow wigeon]

Have you run it that on twins hardmode?

[vast yew]

Whereas Surge and Purg only have 4 blessings total so Hadron has difficulty bricking your stuff

[wanton sandal]

yeah, managed to get it on 4th try with premade

[vast yew]

(techincally there's a 5th but you can't roll it on 330+ weapons because it's T2 locked)

[wanton sandal]

it does good but hard mode REALLY needs a coordinated team doing their roles well

also like you said, you have to have game knowledge to use it effectively

less experienced siblings might get better use out of flurry rending trauma to stack debuffs (which i think might apply to twins as well)

[vast yew]

Shield Ogryn w/ Taunt on Push/Block can lock both siblings down forever

makes it so much easier

[opaque charm]

I made a zelot just to get Manstopoer (t2 only) my god uprising/malace is a wasteland of cosole players rn

[shadow wigeon]

just debuffing and ccing the elites made a big difference.

[wanton sandal]

cuz tbh most runs end bc of the flak rager/mauler spam that comes out and kills everyone or people not disarming mines

[shadow wigeon]

But I still felt I was underperforming as psyker compared to shield ogryn and hammer zealot.

[vast yew]

The hardest part of levelling a new character is getting to Malice

Malice is awful

[opaque charm]

I haven't thought of this, hmmmmm