psyker-class

[static needle]

lmfao

[potent echo]

You don't need 10% vent on kill talent

[static needle]

eh

[potent echo]

You want a predictable peril for use with venting

Or at least I do

You can try malefic momentum

[static needle]

peril generation is scary tho

[potent echo]

It's really good on paper

I've been trying to make it work

Need more practice

The other talent below assail

[static needle]

its really great with assail as it can help u keep throwin em

this worth it?

[potent echo]

I take it because I can

Iirc my build is weird

I take unarmored on my void

And with that 5%

So I can oneshot dreg gunner head

Let me fire up my editor

[static needle]

ye but is that rlly so important if I have warp nexus + surge? if i spam left click they will be dead in like the same time i think

[primal plume]

the hard mode fight is really fucking annoying

its a neat idea

[jovial mural]

best blessings on blaze force sword?

[primal plume]

but it could use work

[potent echo]

It's the pierce, so you can alpha strike a patrol

Or to pierce a bunch of horde to hit the gunner behind

[static needle]

meant to reply to this

hmmm

[potent echo]

Yea

[static needle]

i think ur right yea

[potent echo]

In practice it lets you hit the gunner in cover 30m behind a horde

And you know it will kill so you spend a full ball

But headshot is abit wonky, so might not

[static needle]

So if you do wanna do a pure crit build with warp nexus + surge, this would be the way to go, right?

[potent echo]

With shield your dps drops massively

[static needle]

hmm

[potent echo]

Not only losing out on creeping but now you need to quell

[static needle]

crit aura gone is sadge tho

quelling is no biggie at all

[potent echo]

Yea but it's lost dps all the same

[static needle]

literally just 0,5 seconds of R then done

[potent echo]

So when the 6 crushers trying to overhead you, you still need to quell

[static needle]

hmm

[potent echo]

Then horde behind you blocked your dodge oops

[static needle]

yeah i suppose so

[potent echo]

Dead

[static needle]

lol

right....

this has happened

[potent echo]

With vent you can just shout behind

Or infront

Easy space

Then more balls

[static needle]

true

[potent echo]

Yea I would have wanted to run a single target melee if I had that build

But that just gimps your horde clear even more

[static needle]

lol

[potent echo]

It becomes a very fair weather kind of build

Like everything is fine until it's not, then it's really not fine

[static needle]

lmao

yes

[potent echo]

On paper it's nice but when a crusher wave or you catch a mutant and get send flying into a horde

[static needle]

its just that i feel it requires a biiitt too much setup to proc true aim for killing big waves of big enemies

im probably wrong tho

[potent echo]

I don't focus too much on that, just keep sending balls

[static needle]

tell me why im wrong 🤡

[potent echo]

The stagger itself is good enough

[static needle]

are u really the one doing the damage then?

[potent echo]

I still get stupid damage numbers

[static needle]

i guess you are cause voidstrike is nice and vent is nice

hm

[potent echo]

Assail too

You do less burst damage but you get so much utility and control

Also with PC killing ragers with your void lets you set everything around it on fire too, including the other ragers

With 2 kills, 6 stacks is a death for any trash in the game

[mossy sundial]

im losing my mind, failing orthus over and over makes me think its time to try other classes

they dont give us any new weapons in updates anyway

[static needle]

aaand u were running deimos on this build?

[potent echo]

Referring to me?

[static needle]

y

[potent echo]

Yea

[static needle]

sick

gonna try this out

[potent echo]

But mainly cause I love deimos

[static needle]

thx a ton!

[glossy ember]

[spiral remnant]

finally rolled a 380 and it's an mk3 catachan combat knife...

it's so over

[meager trail]

just knife psyker

👍

[half iron]

knifeker mentioned‼️‼️💯🗣️🗣️

[pale plover]

What are the best perks for the Surge force staff atm?

Maniac and Flak?

[fresh reef]

knife is very good tho

[glossy ember]

based

[spiral remnant]

mk3 tho ;-;

[glossy ember]

mk3 still good

[spiral remnant]

if it's a god roll ill check it out...

[glossy ember]

mk6 got the better push attack cuz u can backstab weakpoints but that just means you gotta position a bit better with mk3

[glossy ember]

flak above all, then elite or maniac or crit rate. carapace and unyielding are serviceable too

[rotund fable]

Saw this for 17k dockets. worth the purchase or a waste? (I don't normally use the force-blades but want to give them a shot).

[pale plover]

Just bought a 535 power surge staff off sire melk with 2 tier 4 blessings

[static needle]

thats good

[pseudo basin]

Which melee weapon has the best shove?

[glossy ember]

hope they're nexus and flurry

[pale plover]

Nexus is one

[glossy ember]

what's the other one

terrifying barrage?

[pale plover]

Ye

[glossy ember]

and the perks?

[pale plover]

I put t4 crit chance as one, the other is t3 unarmored

[glossy ember]

well you got two choices

either you swap unarmoured to flak

or you keep unarmoured and replace Terrifying Barrage with flurry

if I were you i'd replace crit with flak since you already swapped a slot

[pale plover]

Probably will swap unarmored with flak

[glossy ember]

play around with terrifying barrage and see if you like it

flurry is a dps gain but so is elite+flak perks

staff charges fast enough on its own to be honest

unarmoured is kinda a dead perk on surge staff

so you end up with a meh blessing or a meh perk

[hexed geyser]

The escalator doesn't want to open at the end of the mission. Anyone else had that?

[pale plover]

I'll take a meh t4 blessing over a meh t3 perk

[glossy ember]

my issue is it doesn't affect enough targets for it to be noticeable

but well i'm not sure what unarmoured affects on surge staff

probably a few trash mobs?

all the elites are maniac, flak, unyielding or carapace for surge staff. And the only unarmoured special is sniper so that instantly dies

[strong gulch]

If only they did 222.2k damage.

[tiny swallow]

whats the "dump stat" on the purgatus staff

[pale plover]

What is the best single target dueling sword on psyker

[tiny swallow]

macca mk IV

[worthy hollow]

can i unlock cliffhanger with the upgraded version of psykinetic wrath

[dark spoke]

probably, i got it with the trauma staff

[worthy hollow]

@dark spoke well i notice the palpatine hands knocks them over too. Does that count as well?

[dark spoke]

yeah you can lead the horde to a bridge and push them off the edge

[potent echo]

Groaners and dreg trash, that's it

[glossy ember]

so literally nothing

[devout robin]

does purgatus hit weak spots in any meaningful way

wondering if disrupt destiny would do anything for it

[potent echo]

No

DD gives the flat damage

That's it

So 15% at 15 stacks, not too shabby tbh

I know at one point jsat was running trauma with DD

Probably to save talent points for other stuff

[rustic veldt]

why do pskers generate so much threat compared to the other classes

[ornate hamlet]

They do?

[rustic veldt]

if you pay attention to the twins they will focus the pskers a lot

[dark spoke]

yeah, with kinetic deflection you can tank the melee twin forever lol

[crude cape]

@lunar hollow is this about what you were using in your clutch clips tonight?

[lunar hollow]

yup

[shy prairie]

help

[lunar hollow]

block to maniac

and then u pick one of those to swap to uncanny

i dont like rampage on ds

[shy prairie]

yeah it's not good to use

have to use shove attack for the cleave

[lunar hollow]

arco uses it

[shy prairie]

dont get me wrong

[lunar hollow]

if that is any consideration

[shy prairie]

its actually really nice

[lunar hollow]

but i just use assail for hordeclear

[shy prairie]

i have another with rampage vier

[lunar hollow]

and swap to ds to get the uncanny buffs

[shy prairie]

not as good mind you but

[lunar hollow]

shred 😔

[crude cape]

i just cant even

[shy prairie]

crit psyker it is with that weapon

funny cleaving really hard through horde though

[crude cape]

THERES ONLY TWO STATS I NEED HADRON AND YOU BRICK A 379

[lunar hollow]

riposte is just better shred rn

[lunar hollow]

such is life

i spent 1.5 mil ordos on new revolver for vet, 2 usable weapons

[crude cape]

im a precog simp on both knife and ds4
but riposte is dope too

[lunar hollow]

i swap between either for ds

[crude cape]

ya i think riposte is better on ds than knife

im at 500k of pulls right now

this has to be a joke lol

[lunar hollow]

f

[crude cape]

theres ONLY TWO STATS

i swear its rigged

[lunar hollow]

if only 80% of rolls weren't below fkin 350

[crude cape]

lol 600k. 3x 370+
all dump stat stopping power

this shit makes me mad lol

i should expect it by now but my lord

[lunar hollow]

i almost uninstalled rolling ogryn shovels lmao

shit made me so mad, i was 6 damage off a poxwalker one-shot bp because of stats being a couple points too low

[frosty pasture]

keep or scrap

[lunar hollow]

next shovel was godroll

[crude cape]

its really our fault

for expecting better

yes mistress chubbyfish please step on me

yes may i have some moar rng and premium cosmetics ty

i say this as a self proclaimed pay pig with no self control

im about to roll a 56% ammo dump stat

bc i just cant even be bothered to give a fuck anymore

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

[ornate hamlet]

Me when the triple A priced game needs player retention tactics and to increase premium cosmetic prices on its cash shop

[crude cape]

tbf its a $40 game not $70, which is the new AAA price

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, right

I forgot to pay the intern's lunch

[crude cape]

how could you

daddy will only get 1 new yacht this year too

[viscid matrix]

only cause dumbasses are willing to spend more on dogshite games at that price

[crude cape]

ill happily pay $70 as a new baseline if the games im getting are elden ring and bg3

not to be a broken record of sucking on those games dicks like the whole internet is

but they are for a reason

[viscid matrix]

those games were both $40

they werent dogshite

[crude cape]

werent they $60?

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think either of them was 40

[crude cape]

bg3 might be 70 on console too

[ornate hamlet]

Specially Elden Ring

[viscid matrix]

both of them were under $70 for me, Redfall and Starfield were $120 and they were dogshite

[crude cape]

elden ring dlc when

[dark spoke]

its like 35$ where im from

[crude cape]

redfall lmao

i didnt bother buying either

starfield was on my radar bc ive always liked bethesda games but

after playing bg3, and having other new things to play (re4 remake was also so fucking good i played last few months) i just didn't have it in me to play starfall

[viscid matrix]

Redfall is a AAA game and the first at the new pricepoint, people willingly spent money on it, and the AAA companies saw that, and the price went up across the board for their games

[crude cape]

maybe when its on sale sometime

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, if I account for currency conversion in Brazil I never paid 60 dollars for any game

[crude cape]

i believe nba 2k21 was one of the first games to start the $70 thing back in 2020

redfall was crazy at $70

is that game still being updated

or did they abandon it

[tulip trench]

either of these worth purchasing?

From Melk

[crude cape]

no

[tulip trench]

kk also how is knife on pysker?

[crude cape]

unless you really want terrifying barrage 4, for collectors purposes, and dont give a fuck because you have 50,000+ melk bucks

but its a terrible blessing lol

[tulip trench]

both are bad?

2 different ones there

[ornate hamlet]

I personally don't like knife on psyker

[crude cape]

both are bad imo ya

[tulip trench]

kk cause he has this too

[ornate hamlet]

It lacks many attack speed bonuses and makes it feel really sluggish compared to vet and zealot

[tulip trench]

fair

[crude cape]

useable if you're good with it, but doesn't shine with it. You have DS4 available.
i think if you're very good with it, the new MK VI blade can be good for psyker. its a defensive weapon tho

[tulip trench]

fair

[crude cape]

you're using it for its mobility, spamming push attacks, and doing bleed but

[tulip trench]

posted the knife roll above^

[crude cape]

its a "why when the ds4 exists and is sexy as tits?"

its not a bad baseline stat, and while im not usually a bleed knife guy i think its good when you're using it on psyker bc it helps horde clear. you might want uncanny > mercy killer but both can work

unarmoured possibly to flak

if this is for melk bucks tho, idk if its worth

not even a t4 blessing

unless you rich and dgaf

just roll a ds4 and save your melk bucks for t4 blessings until you have enough to not care

imo

[tulip trench]

fair

melk never sells anything good imo lmao

he always feeds me trash good weapons

and great stat weapons i dont use

[crude cape]

i saw a high lvl psyker crushing with the combat VI blade the other day tho, so its def doable if you're good with it. dont listen to me if yuo want to buy it and think you'll have fun, but just letting you know what i would do

ya, i just check once a day or so for blessings i dont have

once in a while you find a gem

[crude cape]

are you rocking 3x toughness curios on your psyker build?

i figure so just double checking

[lunar hollow]

2 toughness 1 hp

[crude cape]

ah ok, i was gonna say i was wondering if 1 hp is good to help against not just getting absoilutely annihilated by an unlucky poxburster

recently going back to psyker ive been thinking of swapping from my old 3x tough

ill give it a shot

[lunar hollow]

[spice veldt]

😡

[lunar hollow]

i have more toughness than u could get with 3 toughness curios pre-patch 13

smh

[spice veldt]

but it could be more 🥺

[glossy ember]

how in the world do i get a round health/toughness number for psyker

do i need two 21% hp curios with 5% hp?

the 20% ones i have with triple 5% hp land me at 248 health

[crude cape]

im so sorry oh toughness Lord

i have spoken against thee's teaching

[crude cape]

lol the ultimate response. checkmate atheists

'everyone is a slave to something'

[quasi grotto]

The pinned guide recommends a stamina curio, alongside the toughness curios, is that an outdated suggestion?

[lethal lagoon]

If you use KD a lot, no.

If KD is just your panic bottom, then kind of.

I wouldn't call it outdated though, just a playstyle difference.

[tulip trench]

anyone getting less trapper audio cues lately?

[lethal lagoon]

I'm getting less everything cues.

Except crushers.

So at least they have that down lmao

Loud ass motherfuckers

[tulip trench]

ya

i used to pride myself on my trapper killing skills

now

they literally are spooning me

and shoot

and the gun does even make a sound

just suddenly im netted

[lethal lagoon]

I've had a couple of trappers skip the first sound queue.

And just pong insta net, which of course I don't dodge cause I was waiting for the roll catch.

[tulip trench]

ya

its been way more frequent

[agile blaze]

400k damage on my air fryer build in damnation 😩

[wicked hornet]

what do you mean by high Lvl psyker? I usally see in some videos people have a higher lvl but assumed that was just a mod

[lethal lagoon]

The game tracks all your exp gain after 30

The mod just shows it as levels

They are "real" levels.

I don't know if fatshark has any plans for it, but it's definitely tracked on their side.

[wicked hornet]

okay cool

I need to mod

does vortex work good

[tulip trench]

i can send you a link to the modding discord

vortex is kinda bunk

its really easy to mod darktide

drag and drop basically

theres a video on youtube

[wicked hornet]

yes please

[tulip trench]

Just DM’d you

[crude cape]

ya, true level mod. was like a lvl 500+ crushing with knife i beat hardmode twins with him

[wicked hornet]

Thank you and I got it.

[wicked hornet]

I love the Knife. I miss the mobility I had with it.

[crude cape]

i just got in a random game with darcy again lol

and also wtf poxbursters

i was so confused lol, like the ai couldn't decide to target me or the people down the stairs i guess

how bad is this lol.
also critical hit dmg -> maniac, or flak is more necessary?

[plucky flax]

Maniac more important than flak for me. Stopping power already gives bonus damage to flak.

[unkempt light]

And usually Maniacs are the run-enders (Flamers, Trapper, Mutie, Unarmored Ragers)

[crude cape]

ya feeling it out in the psyk man its ROUGH on ragers and mutants

mutants tho ds4 is easy 1hko

and i 2 shot flak gunners without flak anyway

maybe takes an extra shot on flak ragers and maulers

but maniac ragers take like 3-5+ shots depending on crits and peril and skriers

its not good

[plucky flax]

My laspistol x has maniac and elites.

[crude cape]

so maniac it is

ya im out of plasteel, this is what i got

[plucky flax]

Best I could do cba grinding flak maniac for a weapon I won't use that much.

[crude cape]

i also spent 800k dockets and best base that rolled ok

hadron trolling me

it only has 2 maybe 3 important stats lmao

i also was thinking crit chance could be good

[plucky flax]

I don't think so. Not on something this slow.

[crude cape]

true

[plucky flax]

Full gameplay
https://youtu.be/H51iMwJ6f9A?si=pvZhHW2gRgJoBlx1

[potent echo]

Ghost gaming

[plucky flax]

Yeah didn't feel like infernus would do anything for this slow gun.

[potent echo]

By the second shot most things would alr be dead

[crude cape]

ya maybe its bad

i did it just to help with boss dmg

but ive never tried ghost i can slap it on

psyker struggles with boss dmg so i like being able to nuke one down with the gun if i need a little better

[primal plume]

Right click is called PYROblast
Pyro means fire
Just a fancy way to say Fireblast
Doesnt do fire/soulfire damage

??????????????

[rare storm]

Fuuuck I wished this was black instead of red

Looks dope

[crude cape]

does ghost buff on laspistols stack, or just refresh?

im guessing refresh

[crude cape]

it looks black in the in-store pic too

[lunar hollow]

refreshes the duration on weakspot hit

[crude cape]

ya just tested it it would be busted the other way lol

[untold niche]

New drip?

[rare storm]

Right??????

[rare storm]

Ye bwoii

Rogue trader bundle

[primal plume]

bruh, gaze is so shit even fatshark forgot about it

https://www.playdarktide.com/#classes

[rare storm]

Actually more dark lavander which honestly

Would be pretty damn nice

[crude cape]

ya but either way WAY better than the red

[rare storm]

Fr fr

[crude cape]

i was full dissapoint when i realized it was fucking red

[rare storm]

The only red drip I accept is the swordsman hat with the quil

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-world-of-gumball-darwin-you-take-that-back-take-that-back-take-it-back-gif-22317741

[rare storm]

our resident scrier staff user has spoken

Honestly, scrier surge does feel fun to use

I tried it recently

[glossy ember]

see

is good

[digital narwhal]

Nuh uh

[carmine zenith]

I just use it for gun psyker.

[digital narwhal]

(Gaze obviously has flaws and it could use some love, but it's pretty good for Gun Psyker simply due to how crit strings work)

(Plus, more damage is always good on Gun Psyker)

[carmine zenith]

Yeah, I kinda figure Gaze was made specifically for psykers that didn't use staffs.

[long stone]

Psykers who don’t use staffs are giga chads

[jagged mauve]

guns go pew pew and staff doesnt

[long stone]

“No bro please you have to use a staff you’re a psyker you have the power of the warp!”

Hehe guns go pew

[jagged mauve]

columnus autogun go brrrrr

[mossy sundial]

does anyone know where i can find a good talent tree for voidstaff smite dome?

also is it worth swapping to that for orthus?

[long stone]

Just look up on YouTube of psyker void build should help you out

[glossy ember]

the warp looking at the psyker constantly edging and never falling for their sweet little whispers:

[somber dew]

Is Surge staff generally better for Orthus fight than Void Strike?

[digital narwhal]

Just felt like I needed to share these again with the talk of Gun Psykers coming up.

[crude cape]

the power of being a musketeer

thought i was dead for sure lol

[primal plume]

Gun Psykers are vegans

you dont need to ask if theyre using a gun. They will not stop reminding you

[crude cape]

its a fun and good build idk

but i have like, 95% of my playtime on staff psyker

[long stone]

More interesting than staff smite psyker

[crude cape]

smite is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

most engaging gameplay

[brazen rampart]

how do you even get all the mods and whatnot

[crude cape]

{G}

[brazen rampart]

the ui in that clip is so much more informative than default

[long stone]

Numeric UI

[somber dew]

Is gun Psyker better with auto guns or what's up with em? Never used a gun build

[long stone]

Usually yes just because the amount of dps you can give off depending how you build the tree

[brazen rampart]

I'll just look up mod installing later

[crude cape]

lots of stuff is good, both laspistols, revolver, columnus IAG crit build, vraks headhunter just to name a few

recently josho turned me onto the laspistol X build

its very good/fun been talking to him about it just recently tonight lol

[somber dew]

That slide into the sniper kill was so slick lol

[crude cape]

DD stacks are fun, you go zoom lol. i just recently started using it myself

[somber dew]

Oh really? I just hear people complain about the new laspistol

[digital narwhal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/

Hope this helps.

[long stone]

It’ll tell you in the guide but reminder mods listed in your load order are case sensitive enjoy!

[somber dew]

If you get a chance would you mind sharing the build so I can start working towards it?

[brazen rampart]

thanks man I appreciate it

[crude cape]

Sure no prob, pretty standard gunker build, theres a few variations you could make if you really wanted. credit goes to josho tho he gave it to me/turned me onto it ideally probably want flak maniac, or maniac elite on gun perks. Also ghost 4. and not an ammo dump stat lol i just have what i have rn

pen on the ds could be better but i dont notice any breakpoints with it

Riposte is also good instead of precognition

replace gun with a regular laspistol MK II, columnus iag, headhunter vraks VII. up to you

could even use a staff if you're able to manage peril with a staff on this but its tough

[digital narwhal]

I'd personally recommend Empowered Psionics instead of Disrupt Destiny, but that's because I hate DD's design.

[crude cape]

totally valid

but if YOU WANNA ZOOM

you go DD

[digital narwhal]

"Sure, I'll tunnel vision on this one dude to maintain my buff that falls off all at once, instead of going after priority targets"

[crude cape]

i dont find dropping stacks on it so bad bc they build quickly

but it is a bit frustrating if you're micromanaging it

also when you'/re about to drop a full set of stacks, and multiple glowy kills are stolen from you in a row and then you reset - THATS the one situation where Im like REEEEEEEE lol

[digital narwhal]

Also, why do you need Ghost with Empathic Evasion?

[somber dew]

Thanks dood

[crude cape]

im trying it, was recommended to me lets you just stare at shooters and shoot back. i had infernus on there to begin but felt worse than it does on the MK II laspistol, fire rate

[digital narwhal]

If anything, Infernus has value on Kantreal since it gives stacks of DumDum

So it lets you build up the damage bonus faster

[crude cape]

not untrue

[long stone]

What’s the revolver used for? Rending buff on assail?

[crude cape]

ive just been experimenting. i think, from what ive seen/tried now on laspistols. You need dumdum and the 2nd is entirely choice loll

it would perform at purple just fine

[digital narwhal]

Revolver is like Brain Burst

Use it to delete Specials/Elites

except

faster than Brain Burst

[crude cape]

weaving assail with stacked uncanny strikes on the DS (see me do it a few times in the clip above, how my assail easily kills those halfish hp maulers) is the easiest way i find to link them. but assail will also benefit really from any blessing of the equipped wep

josho was just telling me this an hour ago

its dope, something i wasnt using a lot

but similar to the zealot throwing knives

[digital narwhal]

I love Uncanny Assail

It's great

[harsh urchin]

ye i've settled on 2 types of assail builds

[potent echo]

Assail mainly as a quickswap to keep peril high

[harsh urchin]

in the end

first is assail primary with EP

ds4 + assail + revolver or knife + assail + revolver

[potent echo]

Any perk or blessings on the melee weapon is just nice

[crude cape]

ya psyker went from my most played pre patch 13, to my least since patch 13. dunno whybut getting back into it now and assail dd skrier builds are pretty fun

[harsh urchin]

because weaving assails with hand cannon and uncanny

both feel very strong

my 2nd type of assail build is just a DD stacker for voidstrike

[digital narwhal]

I like Assail + Combat Knife + Columnus with SG + EP

[harsh urchin]

so it's like knife + assail + void with DD

oh yeah assail for gunpsyker too

but i'm just not a big fan of SG

[crude cape]

assail really helps you feel not overwhelmed by thicc hordes when using ds4, bc you can weave it and it increases your effective horde clear by so damn much

[harsh urchin]

has like anti synergy with assail lmao

[potent echo]

Malefic moment goes brr

SG?

[harsh urchin]

i think i'll probably play more gunpsyker once they make it feel better

[potent echo]

Scrier

[digital narwhal]

Well that's why I like EP

But still

[harsh urchin]

SG is just ass

[digital narwhal]

SG does need some love

[potent echo]

Yea just use vent

[digital narwhal]

I personally use it because it fits a niche I need

[harsh urchin]

ye i use both vent and bubble

[digital narwhal]

higher crit chance and Peril maintain

I value those, so I use SG

[harsh urchin]

but i can't seem to like sg

[digital narwhal]

Simple as

[potent echo]

SG needs an extra effect

[harsh urchin]

it's just...

idk

it just ain't it

[potent echo]

Currently it doesn't change your gameplay at all

If it increased attack speed at least it will be something

[harsh urchin]

I would like it be like a true berserk mode

or something

like

[potent echo]

Attack speed

[digital narwhal]

• Suppression Immunity
• Marks Elites/Specialists like Exe Stance, but with DD's outline instead (rework DD pls)
• 100% Peril Generated for 10s after leaving SG

Those are my suggestions

[harsh urchin]

"your toughness DR is set to 0%"
"you take 50% more damage to toughness and HP"
"you have 15% attack and ranged attack speed"
"you always crit"

now THAT

would be worth using

lmao

[potent echo]

Curves ranged fire away from you and towards enemies

[lunar hollow]

what a terrible idea good lord

[digital narwhal]

Wtf

lmao

[carmine zenith]

SG should let you explode when you reach 100% but you don't take dmg from the explosion.

[mossy sundial]

anybody got a good skilltree for smite/voidstrike/dome?

[harsh urchin]

i would sacrifice my well being for supreme power

lmao

[lunar hollow]

i like scrier's for what it is. im completely uninterested in using a staff or spamming blitzes

ranged attack speed is also fucking cancer in a lot of situations, anything with recoil becomes more annoying to use

[harsh urchin]

can't deny though

you'd definitely feel it

both ways 😛

[digital narwhal]

I'd feel it, yeah

[lunar hollow]

never been more mad at taking weapon specialist on vet than when i run it with columnus and suddenly my gun is aiming at the ceiling

[digital narwhal]

but I wouldn't want to

[harsh urchin]

both power and getting killed

[digital narwhal]

[harsh urchin]

but anyways the problem is

SG doesn't feel different in any way

it's not like vet stance

where you press it

and you FEEL like you're in stance

[crude cape]

i respect your opinion but i can't let you talk bad about my magic sticks trauma is life

[lunar hollow]

the only problem i have with scrier's is that exe stance had the change to not cool down during ult active removed

[harsh urchin]

the 20% crit is... good i guess

but it's not executioners

[crude cape]

they're sticks, AND THEY'RE MAGICAL

[lunar hollow]

and it's a bit annoying that warp charges has its baseline use case removed on scrier's

[potent echo]

Vet stance has alot more damage, also it gives the instant swap utility, zoomed in, suppression immune, less sway etc

[lunar hollow]

exe stance feels like the shittiest stance ever where you're locked into a gun to use it, scrier's isn't

[crude cape]

this would be nice for skriers

scriers working on melee is really cool ya, its a big power boost

breakpoints all day

[carmine zenith]

To be fair, the vets one SHOULD be better. Their primary role is supposed to be a walking gun so you'd think they should have the best gun ability.

[lunar hollow]

class roles don't exist so this is a moot point

[harsh urchin]

i think it should be better

but

i just want to feel

different

when i press F

for scrier's

i feel nothing

when i press it

[lunar hollow]

the game can't exist in a state where one class is the "does X best" because ur not class locked like in other tide games

[harsh urchin]

and i'm willing to feel like a true glass cannon

but rn it doesn't really do that

[half iron]

i feel my rizz levels raise when i press f

[lunar hollow]

nobody else is willing to play with the one ult that debuffs you for using it unfortunately

this will never happen

[potent echo]

Glugger ult is simple but really gives the power fantasy

[harsh urchin]

yep

glugger ult nails the feel

[potent echo]

I rather just flavour that with warp powers and call it

[harsh urchin]

i want to have tha flavour with SG yeah

[potent echo]

Instead of fire bullets it's soulblaze bullets

[harsh urchin]

where you are powered up and feel like a super psyker

that would be nice

[somber dew]

I'd just like vet to not have a weird tree where it takes much more to get to the purple blips than the other classes, cuz that seems a bit unfair

[lunar hollow]

doesn't anymore

[potent echo]

In case you missed the rework of the rework

[digital narwhal]

Still needs a buff though.
It's only great for Achlys burn bullets.

[somber dew]

Oh nice

[lunar hollow]

they shortened the point cost to reach a keystone by like 4 nodes roughly

[digital narwhal]

Gun Lugger ult needs to feel better for everything.

Not just one of the Stubbers.

[potent echo]

Kickback and rumbler be like

[digital narwhal]

[somber dew]

Wait when was this

[carmine zenith]

I think, give SG something interesting. Let you explode without taking dmg. Let you not build Peril from ysing attacks for a set amount of time. Increase your charge attacks on staffs/blitz. Something unique to the class that's not just more numbers.

[clear heath]

vet tree is pretty nice now

[lunar hollow]

(they did this in a really stupid manner and just squished the talent tree instead of deleting some of the less useful nodes/the ones that break the game like shock trooper)

[potent echo]

Although I haven't tried the ultimate cursed loadout

Glugger with GG

[clear heath]

can grab pretty much every good node in the tree with whatever keystone you want

[somber dew]

Huh. Cool. I haven't played my vet for quite a while so maybe I should check em out once I get the gun Psyker rolling

[carmine zenith]

They really should just combine or excise some of those talents. Plus, just give us +25% ammo base instead of making it a talent.

[harsh urchin]

the whole point

of giving you the talent tree is to make it more interesting

so you get to pick how you invest your skill points into bonuses for your character

lol

[potent echo]

Nah, but also I don't really want to discuss the ammo economy of the game again

[clear heath]

well, that should be the case yes
but 90% of people's trees are exactly the same lol

[carmine zenith]

Look, I just want to gun forever and never think about ammo. That's all I want in life.

[harsh urchin]

this is actually not true lol

[somber dew]

Have you considered
Hoarding all the ammo pickups

[harsh urchin]

I've seen tons of build variety in psyker, zealot, vet

idk about ogryn since i only play like 2 builds for ogryn

[clear heath]

i mean for vet specifically

[somber dew]

It's the clown option but it is an option

[clear heath]

you have enough points to grab literally every good node now

[harsh urchin]

for vet I have like 4 loadouts that are differnet lol

[carmine zenith]

I consider it but I try not to be a total asshole if I can help it.

[harsh urchin]

unfortunately ammo aura (100%) and VoC (90%) are overtuned so you just take those

[somber dew]

Understandable I'm very team play focused myself

[harsh urchin]

but there's pretty good diversity in the bottom part of the tree

all 3 are pretty good

focus, tag and weapon specialist are all good to have, and you can even not grab one

[carmine zenith]

Honestly, I wish I had more build slots for vet. I'd have a build for every weapon.

[harsh urchin]

if you just want to have more nodes

jk i have 5 builds for vet

[clear heath]

the keystones are good choices yeah

[harsh urchin]

i have to keep deleting the last one

to make space for builds

[clear heath]

it's just that there's so many nodes are that just no-brainers

like most of your points are just gonna be stuff you'd always grab

[harsh urchin]

i actually think it's a lot better now lol

since they nerfed toughness on elite/special kill, the ogryn damage, rending, and moved elite dmg

it's actually a reasonable amount of investment to reach each of the "good" nodes

like you have to go fully down the tree

to reach rending

[clear heath]

it's definitely a lot better now

[harsh urchin]

or to reach 15% elite dmg

i dont have any issues with its design lol

[carmine zenith]

I just can't get behind Marksman keystone. Any way I try to play ot just feels less good than any other build I try.

[clear heath]

i just think there's a lot of obvious bad and obvious good nodes

[harsh urchin]

i think it encourages good build diversity

[clear heath]

but it's fine

[golden tartan]

Honestly theres so much good stuff though

Its actually hard to grab them all

[harsh urchin]

i've only gotten it functional on laspistol and plasma

gotten it to feel good*

[golden tartan]

I think vet has a surprising amount of variety

But people like to gravitate towards a "core" they use for everything

[potent echo]

I hate marksman plasma I'm sorry

[golden tartan]

I agree with this

Marksman plasma is ???

[potent echo]

You just don't have stacks when you really want them

[golden tartan]

Plasma just go Focus Target

Or Wep Spec

[potent echo]

And it already just oneshots most things

[harsh urchin]

marksman plasma is very strong because you can skip nodes and hit breakpoints

[somber dew]

Is that the tag one

[golden tartan]

Ye

[potent echo]

I just take exestance plasma

[golden tartan]

U hit BPs with focus target anyway

[potent echo]

No need marksman

[harsh urchin]

then you have to tag

[golden tartan]

. . .

[harsh urchin]

i dont want to always have to tag everything

[golden tartan]

Wad

[shy prairie]

post yer dueling swords

[clear heath]

i feel like tagging is a little easier than headshotting every shot with plasma

[golden tartan]

Im sorry but I like my zero cooldown chastise level toughness replenish thanks

[carmine zenith]

I thinknthe vet Keystones in general could use a second pass. They feel weirdly limiting compared to other classes keystones but still not as powerful. I do like the basic design of them for the most part though.

[golden tartan]

Uh

Weapon spec

Focus target

Both are deffo strong af

Neither of those are limiting

[harsh urchin]

i dont have tag bound on LMB, i usually keep tags as a way to track specials i can't kill or to show elites that are in cover like snipers/gunners

[clear heath]

weapon specialist is just really fun

[potent echo]

Weapon spec is just extra melee attack speed mainly

[clear heath]

the auto reload on swap

[golden tartan]

I dont either

[potent echo]

The crit on shoot and reload is okay

[golden tartan]

I just tag while the plasma lmb is charging

[clear heath]

i like weap spec on revolver

[harsh urchin]

see exec stance plasma basically hits all the breakpoints

[potent echo]

Weapon spec on old revovlers is disgusting as ever

[shy prairie]

grawr uses the plasma gun like the death star

[harsh urchin]

so you can just play whatever u want

[clear heath]

not reloading after firing like 30 shots is really fun

[harsh urchin]

but VoC plasma doesnt hit breakpoints

unless tuned properly

[golden tartan]

Which bps?

[harsh urchin]

1400 gunner headshot non-crit

[potent echo]

Voc no BP plasma with weapon spec

[harsh urchin]

is one

[golden tartan]

Mine does

[potent echo]

Spam

[harsh urchin]

show

[potent echo]

Does it though

[harsh urchin]

in meat grinder

i want to see

[golden tartan]

Im not at home

[golden tartan]

Yes

Very comfortably

[potent echo]

No

[shy prairie]

[potent echo]

Shot

[golden tartan]

Cos i have +25% Unarmoured

[harsh urchin]

yikes

[potent echo]

Well that's that

[harsh urchin]

LMFAO

[carmine zenith]

Focus is great. Weapon spec is great for sure but, I can play a Zealot and get free crits forever if I keep killing stuff. It just doesn't feel on the same scale to me.

[harsh urchin]

wasting a perk

[clear heath]

mine does with +elites, a little bit of long shot and no F activation.
if you count F activation buffs, i don't need longshot

[harsh urchin]

for 1 enemy type

[golden tartan]

I mean what other perks

[potent echo]

So unarmored flak?

[golden tartan]

Maniac? I have that

I dont have flak

[potent echo]

I used to run that pre13

[golden tartan]

Why would i need flak

[potent echo]

So how about dreg gunner body shot

[golden tartan]

Tag

Done

[clear heath]

I was tempted to get unarmored but then i realized +elites works too for that

[harsh urchin]

unyielding reduces the number of shots for reaper and bulwark by 1 respectively

[potent echo]

1 stack enough?

[clear heath]

and helps with other breakpoints

[golden tartan]

2 but u always have 2

[harsh urchin]

unyielding maniac

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[harsh urchin]

maniac lets you hit flamer crit BP

[clear heath]

I have unyielding elites on mine

[golden tartan]

Tag pushes it over the unyielding BP

[harsh urchin]

and trapper body BP

[golden tartan]

I just 1 tap flamers thou?

[potent echo]

I just take exe to make my life easier

[golden tartan]

And trapper

[clear heath]

Don't trappers die to body anyways?

[golden tartan]

Ye

[clear heath]

with like nothing

[golden tartan]

Trapper are a clean bodyshot kill

Only 850 hp

[harsh urchin]

ye it's just the flamer crit body BP then

[golden tartan]

Which tag pushes u over

Sooo

[harsh urchin]

and i said earlier

[golden tartan]

Actually its not even crit

Its noncrit bodyshot

[harsh urchin]

^^

[golden tartan]

Plus its a flamer. Headshots are trivial on flamers

[harsh urchin]

i'm not a fan of needing the tag to hit BPs

just sounds too annoying to have to tag

otherwise you dont one-shot

[golden tartan]

Its literally a button press

[potent echo]

I should change my tag to another button

What button do you use?

[golden tartan]

And it gives u zero cooldown chastise toughness regen

[harsh urchin]

T

[golden tartan]

T

[potent echo]

T?

[clear heath]

but that's only helping you if you crit right?

[shy prairie]

mmouse

[golden tartan]

Mouse 4 is also good but im using mouse 4 for special and mouse 5 for dodge

[harsh urchin]

gets hot

[potent echo]

I should just put it on cntr or smth

[clear heath]

is that a one shot crit on body without any buffs?

[potent echo]

Or space

[clear heath]

or are you counting ability activation?

[harsh urchin]

yes, it's for VoC build

[clear heath]

no F right?

[harsh urchin]

i believe so

[clear heath]

cause there's a lot of buff on F nodes

[golden tartan]

With +25% maniac and +25% unarmoured u can hit flamer and gunner crit bodyshot 1 tap

[harsh urchin]

unarmored doesnt apply to flamer

it's just the maniac roll

[golden tartan]

It doesnt ye

Just man

But 25% is enough to push it over

[harsh urchin]

but yeah that's why I run marksman

[golden tartan]

Ok im assuming longshot and not being at <8m

Fwiw

[harsh urchin]

so I can run unyielding instead of unarmored

[golden tartan]

Cos if ur <8m from a flamer just smack the fucker

[harsh urchin]

and hit the breakpoint on bulwarks/reapers

and also have a bit better boss damage i guess

[golden tartan]

Id rather get 70% toughness back per elite/special kill :P

[golden tartan]

Eh. Better boss damage is swapping to melee

[potent echo]

Yea

Powersword melee on boss is so good

[golden tartan]

Or shovel

[potent echo]

I still need to get used to new vet shovel

Do you just use lights

Or thrust heavy

[golden tartan]

Lights

[harsh urchin]

i dont get why the

[golden tartan]

For crowdclear

[harsh urchin]

old shovel exists

[golden tartan]

Thrust heavy for elites

[harsh urchin]

lol

[potent echo]

I mean vs boss

[golden tartan]

Stagger

[golden tartan]

Thrust special heavies

[potent echo]

Alright

[golden tartan]

The old shovel is still the king of defensive play

[potent echo]

I will try to roll a thrust one

[golden tartan]

Cos when theres 4 ragers the new shovel has some trouble not taking damage

[potent echo]

I assume it's thrust with uncanny?

[golden tartan]

Old shovel can deal with that no prob

[golden tartan]

Ye

[harsh urchin]

yeah but you have a gun

if you need to fight 4 ragers

[potent echo]

The new shovels are definitely power creep

You aren't doing old shovel special against 4 ragers

[golden tartan]

I mean sometimes they come around a corner into your face

[golden tartan]

The stagger works even on cleave

[shy prairie]

I've spent 0 time looking at the new shovels

[golden tartan]

And the special does have some cleave

[shy prairie]

as I have a perfectly good old shovel, however I need a melee weapon to trick out

[potent echo]

Hmmm but you will still swap to gun eventually

[golden tartan]

Nah i usually just murder them in melee

[potent echo]

Also I like that shovels are called axes in the game files

[golden tartan]

Not worth the ammo unless something else comes up

Although

[potent echo]

With the old shovel?

[golden tartan]

Ye

[potent echo]

4 ragers?

[golden tartan]

It chain staggers them

Yep

[potent echo]

Uh

[shy prairie]

heby

[potent echo]

Alright

[golden tartan]

Your lights stagger

As long as the rager isnt mid combo lights chain stagger them

[clear heath]

eh, if longshot's active at all, it'd also kill without maniac

or if any buffs were active

[golden tartan]

New shovel kills faster 100% though

Just less safe

[clear heath]

man it's so close to killing though

[potent echo]

Definitely

I'm gonna roll a thrust uncanny one

[golden tartan]

Uncanny is less necessary on new shovel i feel

But its still best of the lot

King of rager slaying atm though is still the helbore bayo

XD

Fucking dumb weapon

[harsh urchin]

how many headshots for a mutant

[potent echo]

Ok I really need to know this

I see people do this, I thought they were memeing, but turns out it really kills shit

Is it real

[golden tartan]

It 2 shots a rager with headshots

[potent echo]

Why

How

[golden tartan]

And staggers them out of combo

[potent echo]

When

[golden tartan]

And it attacks as fast as knife

[harsh urchin]

IIRC for me mutant gave me one-shot crit body flamer and a -1 for mutants iirc

[clear heath]

also my gunner damage with + elites perk
Again, any small buffs like longshot or F buffs or blaze away would kill. Or a couple stacks of that +1.5% damage buff on tagged kill thing from focus target
Realistically these breakpoints usually work

[harsh urchin]

but I havent tested in a while

[clear heath]

i usually melee mutants but lemme check

[potent echo]

Is it a specific helbore? I know they have different patterns

[golden tartan]

1 or 2

3 has a worse bayo

No blessings btw

[harsh urchin]

ye but that

[golden tartan]

Straight outta the box

[harsh urchin]

10-30% of the time where it randomly doesn't die

infuriate the fuck outta me

[golden tartan]

U take precision strikes, 25% melee finesse

And just go to town

[potent echo]

Right side helbore?

[harsh urchin]

that's why I layer 3 buffs together

so I can 100% punch through it

[golden tartan]

U dont go all the way

[clear heath]

I mean i pretty much have the focus target buffs like 99% of the time
As going 10 seconds without any tag kills is kinda rare unless it's a boss battle with no elites

[golden tartan]

Helbore is like. Dip into all 3 trees

[harsh urchin]

you layer longshot, blaze away and marksman and it's pretty much permanent

[harsh urchin]

i dont have enough brainpower to tag stuff and headshot together lmao

[potent echo]

I assume it's just that the helbore melees have really good headshot damage?

[harsh urchin]

i can kinda do one pretty well

[golden tartan]

But yea helbore bayo is batshit insane

[harsh urchin]

but not both

[golden tartan]

They jave really good base damage

[potent echo]

Guess I'll run helbore shovel or something

[harsh urchin]

that's why my tag build is a brauto build

[golden tartan]

And a solid multiplier

[harsh urchin]

because when i tag I just bodyshot stuff LOL

[clear heath]

Yeah i mean i have those too so mine is also pretty much permanent even if i just forget to tag

[potent echo]

What melee do you even pair with this

[clear heath]

a gunner is realistically gonna be in longshot range

[potent echo]

Dclaw?

[golden tartan]

Whatever the fuck u want

U only bring out the melee when u need to block tbh

[potent echo]

Understandable

Dclaw sounds perfect

[golden tartan]

Or vs like really thick hordes

[potent echo]

Dclaw still sounds perfect

[golden tartan]

But yea. Just buy a HB2 and go to psyk and stab shit.

And u get to see the funny numbers

[clear heath]

It's like, 3 if i headshot every time with blaze away spam and 4 if i miss some headshots.
I could imagine that if i had maniac perk, i'd need less headshots

[harsh urchin]

ye looks like either marksman or tag will work

for punching through that bp consistently

[clear heath]

but like realistically i don't care about shooting mutants cause i usually melee them

[somber dew]

Wait is og revolver decent for gun psy?

[harsh urchin]

I was wondering how other people were doing it

[potent echo]

Isn't HB1 the new hotness

[golden tartan]

Yes

[somber dew]

Just got a decent one

[urban sandal]

og revolver decent for any build that uses a gun

[golden tartan]

1, 2 pick ur poison

[urban sandal]

on any class

[golden tartan]

3 is also good as a gun

[potent echo]

1 has higher damage right?

[golden tartan]

Less so as a melee weapon

[golden tartan]

Slower rate of fire

Bayo is identical

[potent echo]

Nice

[quasi junco]

people are literally bitching about psykers in lobby chat and RQing LOL

in special mission

[potent echo]

I would too

I've seen so many smitekers

Staph

Do something

[clear heath]

The +elites is so nice for those gunner breakpoints man
And unlike +unarmored, it's at least does something for more enemies

[potent echo]

Get help

[quasi junco]

meanwhile im the last to go down and a deimos with deflector makes me tnaky as hell

[urban sandal]

basically all the psyker is good for is cc in the boss fight unless you specifically spec into boss dps

[half iron]

veterans do not have any melee weapons

[potent echo]

You mean just bring a deimos

[urban sandal]

not that simple but sure

[potent echo]

Uh it is though

You special and hit head

Top boss damage

[golden tartan]

Or a volver

[harsh urchin]

ye i like elites

tbh i'd run it over unyielding prob

[potent echo]

Or if you don't like special just do the H2 loop

[clear heath]

makes sense but i like the funny boss damage

[harsh urchin]

prob don't need marksman focus

with the extra 10%

[potent echo]

What if

Agile engagement

[golden tartan]

Agile engagement wep spec plasma is legit

[potent echo]

You get all the BPs

But you need something to melee

[harsh urchin]

agile engagement is insane lol

[potent echo]

It's very cursed in practice I tried once

[harsh urchin]

it's absolutely fucking disgusting

[potent echo]

But I can get gudder

[harsh urchin]

it makes you hit like

some nutty BPs

flamer body non-crit

[clear heath]

It's very strong yeah

somewhat balanced out by the fact that it's usually 3 talent points away

[potent echo]

Malefic momentum needs to buff non warp damage on warp kill

[harsh urchin]

it's just

so far

yeah

so fucking far

i hope they remove ammo aura

from the game

so i can go grab it

[clear heath]

the mandatory ammo aura tax lmao

[potent echo]

You can use it as a guilty build

I have a movespeed build I use when there is another ammo vet

[harsh urchin]

i can do a knife vet build

with mercy killer

and the bleed on hit node

[mossy sundial]

oh my god i finally managed to do the twins fight

im convinced it was my party from before then

[clear heath]

you could duo with a friend who always takes ammo aura so you can always take the other auras instead

[harsh urchin]

knife vet with movespeed and invis

kekek

[potent echo]

It's better than zealot

[harsh urchin]

yeah i have a build idea

it's super fucking meme

[brazen rampart]

use shovel assassin

[digital narwhal]

Ammo Aura is warping game balance and just needs to be killed, yeah

[potent echo]

Zealot don't have movespeed aura

So they are slo

[harsh urchin]

uh

they have 2 5% nodes on tree

[clear heath]

they have twbs

[harsh urchin]

and 1 10% node

and twbs which is 15%

[digital narwhal]

And doesn’t Shroudfield increase movement speed or am I tripping?

[clear heath]

the real play is to be a zealot with a friend as a movespeed aura slave

[potent echo]

Ok fine they can be slightly fast

[digital narwhal]

Tfw Psyker has higher movement speed peaks than Zealots due to momentary buffs, but Zealots just get to zoom 24/7

[plucky flax]

They have move speed nodes.

And shroud does increase speed when stealth.

[potent echo]

I think the vet one gives more speed?

Unless they are the same

[plucky flax]

Nah vet aura is 5%. Zealot has 2 5% nodes and sprint reduction.

And momentum keystone with even more speed.

[nimble sundial]

Plus shroudfield dagger gives the extra extra nyoom

[quasi junco]

jesus special mission on damnation is impossible with randos

[plucky flax]

Normal damn or hard mode?

[quasi junco]

normal

[clear heath]

It's pretty hard to carry

[plucky flax]

Huh weird I cleared every normal damn.

[potent echo]

Gaming

[clear heath]

if everyone else dies it's kinda fucked

[plucky flax]

Hard mode though is truly impossible with pugs thus far.

[urban sandal]

I managed to get it done in a pub. Somehow

[plucky flax]

Psyker can easily ress with kd.

[quasi junco]

people are legit rq'ing lobbies due to psykers

[harsh urchin]

normal was ok for me

[plucky flax]

I am trying to clear hard mode as psyker.

[harsh urchin]

challenge mode was literally impossible