psyker-class

[violet oak]

Can i get a refund at the sibling store

[onyx sentinel]

what rewards do you get for the damnation twins fight? I missed it lmao

[quasi grotto]

a slightly nicer trinket haha

[onyx sentinel]

got none

[unkempt parcel]

its a insignia not a trinket

[onyx sentinel]

yeah okay, just found it

is the "hard mode" reward an insignia too?

[unkempt parcel]

ye

[umbral helm]

while you could argue that they probably should've given us more than a badge for the effort, I guess it is fitting for the Imperium.

"good job, you didn't die on the mission I didn't approve of to begin with. here's a shiny thing"

[lime jewel]

i like the insignia as a reward

i feel like they shouldve given some extra plasteel as a reward too

[umbral helm]

ye, it's literally a badge of honor for doing it

[lime jewel]

rn theres like no incentive to do the hard mode after you beat it once

[acoustic spade]

Ok, I have a question: Does this work nicely with back-to-back Special Attacks and/or Soul Blaze?

[severe folio]

uhh

how would soulblaze work with it

[acoustic spade]

sry Blazing Spirit

[umbral helm]

one of the randoms I matched with the other night was saying you could theoretically use the boss to farm plasteel, since they give you a bunch right before the boss. but, it's like 200-ish each time, roughly. so, I dunno how efficient that'd be

[severe folio]

ag well

it wil only be a gurantee blazing spirit

[brazen rampart]

is this thing like an event or is it permanent

[umbral helm]

my answer to that question when it was asked before

[vestal fulcrum]

There are no plans for removing it, so rejoice and give it a try

[acoustic spade]

its atleast fairly consistent and fast to do since you dont have to search every nook and cranny of the map for the plasteel

[severe folio]

its a rewaed

the reward is permanent

[queen fog]

All rewards are permanent, if u win the mission

[brazen rampart]

thank the emprah I'm out of state rn and can't play or I'd be doing it rn, glad it's permanent

[vestal fulcrum]

It does, but I wouldn’t be pairing it with Blazing Spirit. You will be killing a lot of things with back-to-back special attacks, so it might as well be Slaughterer as your second blessing of choice

[acoustic spade]

I was thinking for a Wildfire build

[vestal fulcrum]

The problem with that is, in order for Wildfire to work, your targets needs to have soulblaze stacks the moment they die

And if they die before you apply SB, it doesn’t do anything. Blazing Spirit applies on hit, but it is applied only if the target doesn’t die from the hit.

So it only does something against very dense crowds

[umbral helm]

like I said, my guess is it's setting up a framework for future content. probably gonna be seeing more "special assignments" in some of the next updates

[acoustic spade]

As if an Illisi Force Sword could one shot stuff like Ragers in the middle of a horde

[vestal fulcrum]

Whereas Slaughterer + BT allows you to turn into swarm/bruiser blender, and even then you can probably kill non-Ogryn elites in a pinch

[severe folio]

even if you dont one shot them

wildfire wouldnt aid you in one shotting the next one in that same horse

horde

[acoustic spade]

No but it would spread to the horde to keep it at bay

[severe folio]

you will spread flame to the next one, perhaps with blazing spirit perhaps with wildfire

but you wouldn’t actually be spreading any meaningful flame

[acoustic spade]

also, I didnt even realise Superiority was a Perk before I got this sword >.>

[severe folio]

you would waste both blessing and talent point for trivial effects

[acoustic spade]

Oh, Wildfire is now a trivial effect?

[severe folio]

not because soulblaze isnt strong, soulblaze is strong, its just the way wildfire and blazing spirit apply soulblaze that their generation is weak

yeah wildfire has always been pretty trivial in regards to soulblaze application

it spread very minimal, with a cap, with complex circumstances that easily outstrip by other soulblaze generating applications

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t, but it does kill the main chaff for Blazing Spirit, which you might as well kill with just Slaughterer/BT

And have some power stacked up for killing the elites quickly

[severe folio]

force sword does well with uncannny strikes

[vast yew]

always has been, to be honest. if you're running In Fire Reborn it can help you guarantee things are burning when they die to get Warp Charges but the way it works is so silly

usually a bit of a trap talent

[severe folio]

even if you are running in fire reborn its such a 50/50 to get an enemy that is procced by sb but not dead yet to be kill

[vast yew]

IFR will trigger as long as the enemy is burning when they die, even if something else kills them, so even 1 stack is sufficient to get that 10% dice roll

[severe folio]

and at that point you would feel yourself more convenient to just pick psychic vampire because your team are going to kill your enemies for you

[vast yew]

but I've never had many problems getting Charges with or without it so

[severe folio]

yeah but that 1 stack is severely limited into your melee ranges

which is like

[vast yew]

oh I'm just saying in general

[severe folio]

4-5 enemies

ehh

well if you have something like the purgatus

[vast yew]

Blazing Spirit + Shred Illisi is fun but I'm just talking Wildfire in general

[severe folio]

which is pure soulblaze

[vast yew]

Oh you really don't want it on the Purgatus

everything's burning anyways

[acoustic spade]

I just cant see any other talents "in range" of my current talent tree that would be more beneficial for my Blazing Spirit Trauma Staff build

[severe folio]

well

if its fire trauma

[vast yew]

as a Blazing Trauma user myself may I see your tree? I may have some suggestions

[severe folio]

then wildfire only serve as a tool to preserve up to 4 stacks over the next enemy

which if you get multiple crits

will be a lot of enemies with cap of 6

[vast yew]

the problem with Wildfire on Blazing Trauma is the AoE on crits is so massive it's absurd

so everything is either not on fire, or all on fire

very few cases in-between

[acoustic spade]

ah cant quite fit the entire talent tree on a single screen without making it unreadable

[vast yew]

neat, thanks

personal opinions: I don't think you need Smite too often, considering Trauma can stagger elites pretty easily. I personally run BB as I think it's more useful but if you find Smite more clutch then go for it

[silk hawk]

ai, both mains are +200 now

[vast yew]

I also feel like you might want to try and grab Mettle + Perfect Timing at the top instead of some of the other stuff up there, as you're a crit build and PT is a nice constant 15% damage boost

[fading depot]

Depends on your team

[vast yew]

at work right now so can't check exactly but I believe my Trauma build is something like this:

[fading depot]

I've found there's no decent psyker build you can't top the scoreboard with, smite included

[severe folio]

mettle and perfect timing is great for staffs

[vast yew]

just talking specifically with a Trauma Staff

I love smite on Voidstrike

[umbral helm]

I decided to go smite for some of the runs because everybody likes to hyperfocus boss damage with their setups so I was like "I guess it's my job today"

[vast yew]

gonna be honest I don't really use BB either on Trauma but occasionally it kills a Gunner or sniper or something

[fading depot]

I finally got my hardmode done by running smite psyker

[acoustic spade]

I just never learned to run BB

[vast yew]

but I can see Smite being nice for a harder lockdown, like on the new map Hard Mode

[acoustic spade]

I can hit Snipers with my Trauma leftclick

[severe folio]

smite when you have the fire trauma is kind of a redundant

[silk hawk]

smite is good in any auric...

[severe folio]

because when you could be smiting is when you would be traumatizing

[vast yew]

with Trauma Staff

[fading depot]

Smite is a more versatile and wide range CC

[vast yew]

I am aware of how good Smite is

I think it overlaps with Blaze Trauma in terms of role

[severe folio]

it does overlap

[fading depot]

Everything is rarely all within a trauma circles range

[silk hawk]

with trauma u simply dont need it..

bcuz well... u have trauma

[severe folio]

you dont want to smite when you have blaze trauma

ever

[fading depot]

Wrong imo

[severe folio]

everything will be in the range of trauma

[fading depot]

Not all at once

[severe folio]

and if its in the range for smite its also in the range for trauma

well if its not in the range for trauma its not going to be in range for smite either

thats for sure

[fading depot]

Nothing salvages a chaotic breakdown of a mission like smite

[severe folio]

well thats playing for failsafe

[fading depot]

It can CC in multiple directions at once to lock down the entire room

[severe folio]

and thats not a very good way to play

[fading depot]

Yes that's the point

[acoustic spade]

I find smite to be more consistent in CCing stuff like a wall of +4 Crushers

[fading depot]

It's a hard carry

[severe folio]

thats when you start bringing multiple overlapping tool

[acoustic spade]

but its true that I rarely use smite

[silk hawk]

with EP keystone smite is actually capable of clearing hordes 🙂

[fading depot]

If you have smite you don't run trauma. You run surge

[vast yew]

So getting back to the original point, regardless, with Blaze Trauma you don't use your blitz much

[severe folio]

and you feel like you have to use it instead of taking the opportunity to get better with your main tool which is the fire trauma staff

[acoustic spade]

but even if I picked BB I wouldnt be using it like, at all

[fading depot]

Better to take warp charges and shriek. Let the soul blaze handle the hordes

[vast yew]

BB or smite up to you, personally I think BB is better but as you can see there is a bit of discussion about it

[fading depot]

Trauma is my least used staff of all of them honestly

[severe folio]

i personally would tell you to pick assail

[vast yew]

...

[severe folio]

thats normal, but he have a fire trauma staff so thats what we are going with

[fading depot]

With my assail and BB builds I take the purgatus staff

[silk hawk]

nothing prevents u from spamming shriek with ep...

[vast yew]

you spam it less often because no 45% CD refund

[fading depot]

Charges lower your peril generation and the cookdown of your shriek

[severe folio]

nothing prevent you from doing that but you dont get as much benefit as WS

[fading depot]

Meaning longer and more damaging smite

[severe folio]

beside EP only buff your blitz, and how often are you gonna blitz with blaze trauma

[fading depot]

Smite shriek surge and siphon is how I beat the hardmode yesterday

[vast yew]

see the only thing I don't like about Assail (assuming we're talking Blaze Trauma still) is it locks you out of Psykinetic's Aura

[severe folio]

so you essentially brought a keystone with the least minimal use

[vast yew]

that's what I was going to try next

[silk hawk]

when u have EP smite u dont need it that much, 1 ability use usually is enough to anihilate everythingon your screen

[vast yew]

so many Ragers man

[severe folio]

ih thats true damn

[silk hawk]

including elites

[fading depot]

But you aren't running smite for dps

You're running it for control

[severe folio]

i guess you should being BB then

[fading depot]

If you want elite killing, run assail with EP, dueling sword, and purgatus

[silk hawk]

i do... when u shriek + smite as i said it anihilates everything on screen, mostly i spam my void ofc, but when i see mixed elite/hordes

i just shriek + smite and they are all dead

[fading depot]

Smite is the best blitz if you like playing pug matchmaking like me. It doesn't matter if you have a bad teammate or two when you can handle anything that isn't a boss

[umbral helm]

ultimately the question becomes "how much you give a shit about being efficient". if you do, take the people's suggestions that insist on not smite, if you don't and just want something that works, experiment. though, I recommend doing the latter regardless anyway. it's good for learning

[fading depot]

It's not as fun as an assail build though, which is why I go for the higher risk

[severe folio]

thats a trick that we all know but you are setting that up when its not really a repetitive method of mass killing

[fading depot]

Exactly

[severe folio]

unlike most other tools

[icy wyvern]

The best build is one that’s fun

[severe folio]

everyone knows smite a horde that jusr got creeping flame will kill them but how exactly are you going to do it again

[sullen bobcat]

Smite is just a shittier version of trauma staff

[fading depot]

I personally run purgatus, assail, EP, and dueling sword because even though it's not as safe as smite it's more fun

[vast yew]

The only staves where I think you probably shouldn't take Smite are Trauma and Purgatus, who can CC with the staff

[icy wyvern]

I think you mean surge staff buddy

[severe folio]

you are putting a lot more work on yourself and honestly half the time your teammate will just kill them before your creeping flame does

[fading depot]

Bad smite takes in the Psyker channel, it must be Thursday

[fading depot]

I think ur underestimating it

[severe folio]

what did he said

[severe folio]

im just being realistic about how it function

[fading depot]

In many many games I was never once outdamaged or out killed when I ran my smite build

[sullen bobcat]

Surge doesn't do the full crowd control of a trauma. Surge is a single target sniper, and trauma is a debuff, stun, and crowd control

[vast yew]

I mean he's not wrong; Blaze Trauma is cracked, but Smite is a Blitz while Trauma is a Ranged weapon so there's a bit of a cost difference there

[sullen bobcat]

Just like smite

[vast yew]

Smite is a single talent point you have to spend anyways

[icy wyvern]

My trauma less controls crowds and more of launches them every which way

[sullen bobcat]

Brittle smite pretty much carried through my hard mode twins

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma is 20 hours of crying at Hadron

[icy wyvern]

I still have not gotten blaze and at this point I think you guys are lying about it.

[sullen bobcat]

3 points for something usable, and then a keystone for something actually decent

I just use brittle trauma with that charge speed blessing

[icy wyvern]

I am tired of wasting all my precious plasteel on blessings that do not exist.

[severe folio]

rending shockwave flurry is the more common trauma

fire trauma is very specific

[vast yew]

nah Smite CC's fine with just 1 point on any build that needs CC, you only need to upgrade it + EP if you want to horde clear with it, but 3/4 of the staves horde clear better so that's only really a thing with Surge

[icy wyvern]

I will keep my brittle trauma and also forget to change my tree over from my dd voidstrike build.

[vast yew]

we have loadouts now my guy

just make 2 loadouts

[icy wyvern]

I said forget

[sullen bobcat]

Me with like 10 loadouts

Thank God for that mod

[severe folio]

you should remember

[acoustic spade]

I feel the same way about Surge Voidstrike

[icy wyvern]

Remember what

[vast yew]

The loadouts include cosmetics and weapons

[sullen bobcat]

I don't use smite at all tbh

[fading depot]

Smite can CC an entire large room at once, trauma cannot do that. It's a far more powerful CC tool though if your team is guaranteed good it has more limited uses

[severe folio]

to make a new loadout

[vast yew]

you shouldn't touch your ranged weapon ever

just swap loadouts

prevents oopsies

[fading depot]

Like I said above, smite build is for when you want to guarantee your win when you aren't sure of your team

[sullen bobcat]

I wish there was a fucking option to change all of my cosmetics at the same time

[severe folio]

trauma can CC an entire room though

[vast yew]

I do not think you play Blaze Trauma enough

[umbral helm]

the true endgame, deciding what fashion fits best thematically with your different loadouts

[severe folio]

why would trauma be unable to CC an entire room

[fading depot]

Blaze trauma cannot CC a wide room in multiple directions at the exact same time

[silk hawk]

they are bound to loadouts...

[fading depot]

This is just not true lol

[severe folio]

not even blaze trauma, just normal trauma alone can CC at almost any range

[sullen bobcat]

Yes. I wish there was an "apply to all" button to apply any cosmetic changes

[fading depot]

You can arc smite in 180 degrees, left, front, and right to CC everything in place for your team

[severe folio]

well smite def cannot cc in multi direction since it only affect in front of you lol

[vast yew]

if you need to CC a wide room in multiple directions you have fucked up royally already. In which case you move to the corner and CC just fine

[vast yew]

it can go behind you if you spin

[icy wyvern]

My trauma only causes me to have a permanent long-term relationship debuff and difficulty expressing my feelings idk where you guys are getting fire from

[severe folio]

trauma can CC 360 around you thats for sure

[fading depot]

Or your team had

[silk hawk]

ahhh, no u need to suffer xD

[static needle]

Can a gunpsyker do comparable dps to a veteran with a BiS colomnus with onslaught talent?

[fading depot]

What he said

[severe folio]

well yeah so is trauma right ?

[sullen bobcat]

Trauma only needs CC where it matters which is on the player to get melee off of you

[severe folio]

the difference between cc trauma and cc smite is you have a button to hold for smite and you need to press more for trauma

[sullen bobcat]

I trauma my feet when I need space

[fading depot]

Trauma also can't do the entire room at once?

[vast yew]

yeah Trauma fired at your feet works in all directions but it's not got quite the range
I disagree heavily with his conclusion that Trauma isn't good for CC but Smite does CC better. at the cost of either killing nothing or forcing you to run EP

[severe folio]

just because you only have to hold smite and move around doesnt mean its better than trauma

[fading depot]

The circle is NOT that big lol

[severe folio]

trauma can cc an entire room

well its def more range than smite

[vast yew]

8.6m radius for staggering/burning hordes

[severe folio]

lol

[icy wyvern]

My trauma circle is that big

[fading depot]

Not as good or as fast

[severe folio]

its that fas

[icy wyvern]

I’m built different dog

[umbral helm]

I think what we're discussing here is preference, at this point

[icy wyvern]

I’m out here pushing boundaries

[sullen bobcat]

Trauma's big bonus is that it actually kills compared to smite which is the best CC in the game

[severe folio]

again, just because you only have to hold smite to cc everything down doesnt mean its outperforming the trauma

[icy wyvern]

This shit ain’t nothin to me man

[severe folio]

i think youre under the impression that smite is easier to use so its got to be stronger than trauma

[icy wyvern]

Are we saying you can’t uh

Are we saying you can’t use both

[fading depot]

It's outperforming trauma because there are no gaps in its CC and can get more area than trauma

[vast yew]

I'm trying to be objective but I feel like people are getting defensive about their favorite builds, along with a healthy dose of binary analysis

[severe folio]

but in reality trauma has significantly more range and more flexibility than smite

[unkempt parcel]

trauma can easily control entire rooms at once

[sullen bobcat]

It's redundant

[icy wyvern]

You’re saying smites the best CC and trauma actually kills

[fading depot]

That has not been my experience with trauma users

[sullen bobcat]

You just make a bad load out if you put all your eggs in one basket

[olive patrol]

im currently on voidstrike staff and smite, im using voidstrike most of the time for hordeclear and staggering like a few specials but swap to smite whenever im about to get overwhelmed and let my team deal with them

[icy wyvern]

Por que no los dos

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[severe folio]

well i dont think you will play a lot since last time we talk to you, you only play smite

[silk hawk]

i say smite is the best cc and actually kills 😂

[fading depot]

That's how you use it

[severe folio]

so maybe you havent play a lot of other options to actually feel them either

[icy wyvern]

Gonna be real

[unkempt parcel]

Bad trauma users then

[quartz barn]

Why use smite with voidstrike when the whole point of voidstrike is to oneshot everything.......

[vast yew]

it's mostly that the CC upgrade from Trauma to Smite is probably not worth as much as the single-target damage upgrade of Trauma to BB

[icy wyvern]

Still have no clue how to use smite effectively

[sullen bobcat]

Smite is really weak damage even with EP

[fading depot]

I play four different psyker builds and smite is my least played now

[severe folio]

last time you also told me that you keep failing when trying other options so you had to fall into smite

[static needle]

Can a gunpsyker do comparable dps to a veteran with a BiS colomnus with onslaught talent? I feel like gunpsyker is just a worse veteran at times, even when not playing gunpsyker you cant ever match a well built DPS veteran in damage.

[vast yew]

*trauma

[icy wyvern]

Every time I use smite it staggers like four dudes tops

[fading depot]

I said earlier that my go to build now is assail EP with purg

[violet oak]

smite them harder then

[severe folio]

so again, im not really sure how you are actually seeing this but objectively trauma has a superior cc compare to smite

[sullen bobcat]

Also, the damage debuff from brittle from trauma is way better than the damage debuff of smite

[icy wyvern]

shit u rite

[vast yew]

oh even unupgraded smite hits like 16 guys; it hits like 4 and then chains 3 times

[severe folio]

whereas smite only have an “easier” cc than trauma

[fading depot]

I just think you're wrong, so we'll agree to disagree

[icy wyvern]

Maybe I’m just using it too late so the chain effect takes too long

[static needle]

how much charge does the trauma need to stagger enemies?

[severe folio]

i just think you need to play other options more

[sullen bobcat]

Like 20%

[unkempt parcel]

Trauma with brittle being insane dmg amp for the team or soulblaze and have insane dmg

[fading depot]

I have

[severe folio]

and stop relying on failsafe as much as you currently do

[vast yew]

depends but usually even a small amount if you aim the epicenter properly. Which takes practice to do.

[static needle]

then that might fill a similar roll to smite tbh

[fading depot]

Ok so you haven't been reading anything I say

Because I've said several times that smite is not my go to build anymore

[severe folio]

if i havent read anything you said then i wouldnt respond to any of it

[quartz barn]

My guy all you do here is claim that smite is godtier for no reason

[chrome sphinx]

BB

[severe folio]

what anything you have said, ever so far, I can tell is mostly personal experience

[quartz barn]

Meanwhile almost everything outperforms it

[sullen bobcat]

The 40% brittle and much higher damage is why trauma is much better than smite. Killing is the best CC in the game

[severe folio]

and its true that personal experience can differ to a lot of people

so perhaps its just that you have only seen bad trauma players

[fading depot]

@quartz barn

[static needle]

This, this and this.

[static needle]

purg is comparable, if not better than smite as youre killing and CCing by staggering many enemies the same time

[quartz barn]

Youre literally hyping up smite in that sentence what

[fading depot]

Yes, it only falters when it comes to elites

[fading depot]

If you think safe is better than fun I suppose

[severe folio]

tellinf your primary build doesn’t actually include smite dont really give much of a point on why you see smite has better cc than trauma to be honest

[icy wyvern]

Fun is subjective

[fading depot]

Smite is the most boring way to play

[icy wyvern]

Safe and fun are not mutually exclusive

[vast yew]

He's not wrong, Smite is safer. It's super safe. It just doesn't kill much so it's best reserved for emergencies to let your team reposition or pick off a few targets before the wave crashes in

[static needle]

If youre an adeptus mechanicus, then yes

[severe folio]

i could crow from the top of my lung that voidstrike is the best while my build is exactly as yours except with deimos

but that doesnt mean im objectively accurate

[static needle]

I dont see how almost exclusively running smite constitutes any more than mildly interesting gameplay

[severe folio]

and i am a purgatus staff user

[vast yew]

Hence it's recommended use on Voidstrike builds, because Voidstrike builds absolutely cannot deal with spread-out elite weaves

[icy wyvern]

So are you supposed to charge smite or hold left click

[severe folio]

my name say purgatus

[vast yew]

left-click smite is worthless; charge, then hold left click

[fading depot]

Charge almost always

[icy wyvern]

I deadass do not know the proper application of smite

[quartz barn]

Which is why i say smite is bad on high tier, youre better off killing stuff yourself so theres less wave to deal with

[icy wyvern]

I’ve been a bb boy since beta

[fading depot]

Only reason to use left click is to really quickly CC a poxburster if it happens to be in your hand

[static needle]

voidstrike aint the best at everything but its good at some things and bad at other things compared to purg and surge

[quartz barn]

Wait why smite a burster when you run ds?

[severe folio]

you gonna have to read my second message

[quartz barn]

Just push slide dodge

[static needle]

yeeeaaah it kinda do be like that

[severe folio]

smiting burster push them and trigger them to blowup immediately

[vast yew]

Depends on application. Spamming Smite into a horde? Bad move. Using Smite to get those 3 crushers and 4 ragers to stop in their tracks while your Ogryn runs up to properly tank them? Excellent move.

[icy wyvern]

I kill bursters. If I can’t handle the corruption, I’m not good enough.

[severe folio]

also dont sleep on left hold smite

[static needle]

I did. Just contributing with my own opinion, sry if i appeared as to not have read it, mb

[icy wyvern]

a canny read

[severe folio]

its not awful in terms of usage and its an accessible quick stun

[quartz barn]

And on low tier its useless because why do you even need to peel for the team on < heresy

[vast yew]

on Voidstrike you probably won't use Smite more than 2-3 times a mission but when it matters it's really nice to have

[severe folio]

so charged smite is good but none charge smite has its use

[vast yew]

meanwhile BB and Assail aren't going to see any use at all on Voidstrike

because... well you have a 40mm anti-tank cannon

[icy wyvern]

There’s just sooooo much peril gen

[vast yew]

you have ranged attacks covered

[fading depot]

Like I said, if it happens to be in your hand. If a burster comes right around you might not have time. Generally yeah though you don't need left click smite

[static needle]

i mean in the latter situation, how good is purg or trauma at disabling the enemies compared to smite?

[silk hawk]

depends on team, in pug parties i use it more then 2-3 times XD

[quartz barn]

I run bb on voidstrike for melee support, but ye all blitzes are ass in that build

[icy wyvern]

I use BB on moving targets since I can’t track worth a damn.

[vast yew]

yeah there's definitely been a few runs where it's seen more use

[static needle]

skill issue but ait. Whatever works best for you is what u should run

[sullen bobcat]

I have smite on my voidstrike build since I needed to choose it to get the talents I wanted

[icy wyvern]

These ranged targets keep moving and stopping and moving and stopping

[vast yew]

if it's a few shooters or gunners you can also switch to left click spam

[icy wyvern]

Once I miss two or three times, I bb them out of spite.

[vast yew]

easier to aim

[static needle]

pain. yes

[icy wyvern]

You have lost brain privileges.

[static needle]

what u can do i left click spam tho to get em staggered faster, then charge

[silk hawk]

oi, EP smite is actually good for clearing full room of shooters XDD

[icy wyvern]

I’m talking more about longer ranged targets.

[fading depot]

Yeah but if that's what you want to do you could just run assail

[static needle]

you do want perfect timing + mallefic momentum for that to work well, no?

[fading depot]

EP on elite kill assail is perfect for wiping out those big gunner/shotgunner squads

[vast yew]

Assail is great but A: I hate that it basically requires 3 points, because the upgrades are cracked, and B: I hate that it takes away my Psykinetic Aura.
I only run it on my Surge Staff, where I love it but still.

[silk hawk]

i want to do that and i want to anihilate mixed horde packs by holding one button

[fading depot]

Nah assail is basically brain off mode

[silk hawk]

is assail capable of that :'D?

[fading depot]

Yes

But

[vast yew]

Assail hits Flak decently hard

[fading depot]

Not armored

[static needle]

You dont need charge up time. Staff can cover the downtime

or gun depending on what ur doing

[fading depot]

Maulers and crushers will brush off your hateshards

[vast yew]

... hmmmm I may experiment with that

the increased recharge is nice but if I drop it I can take KD

[fading depot]

If its that mixed, purg all the trash to death then duel sword poke the armoreds to death

[whole oxide]

"anything you can hit with BB, you can hit with Voidstrike"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4OaquGFVQ
note on both occasions the other psyker missing with void while the BB successfully latches

[vast yew]

and I do love myself some KD

[fading depot]

The DS is so strong you can honestly just water dance through the crushers and maulers

[static needle]

Cause like if you spamfire voidstrike for example, it can kinda fill a similar roll as assail if u also run emphatic evasion. Dodge ranged deluxe

You do want warp nexus for this strat tho

[vast yew]

oh on Voidstrike Assail is eclisped

BB has a tiny amount of utility and Smite has a bit more

[static needle]

for more crit = more toughness and most importantly, continuosly beinng immune to ranged

[vast yew]

but Assail on Voidstrike is really double-dipping on roles

[sudden trellis]

what do you fellas run against the twins?

[fading depot]

BB is good on histg because you don't always have a shot, shit might be in your way

[silk hawk]

i slap em with my meat

[vast yew]

pain Surge + Smite + Shriek + Warp Siphon

[fading depot]

But you can lock BB onto specials past a crowd

[sullen bobcat]

Brittle trauma

[fading depot]

Also that percentage to just brain burst anything you attack is awesome with purg

[static needle]

bubble, bubble, and bubble. (if im running staff). I mostly play gunpsyker tho lol, so scrier's + laspistol + assail

[vast yew]

no. stop.

[static needle]

you have to not attack for 10 seconds to that to be effectively used tho, right?

[fading depot]

I'm not saying RELY on it, but when u purg a mixed Horde to clear out the chaff, it can and does proc on the armored guys sometimes

[fading depot]

I don't think so ?

[vast yew]

yeah it's fun but it mostly does nothing unfortunately

[static needle]

sometimes isnt good enough imo

[vast yew]

9 times out of 10 on Purgatus it's popping a random walker

whoopie

[static needle]

just stagger em with purg

[fading depot]

Oh yea for sure

[static needle]

then why use it

[whole oxide]

i mean, this entire game is an exercise in confirmation-bias

[vast yew]

and Ragers/Maulers die to Purg right-click anyways cuz it staggers them (editor's note: might not stagger Maulers)

[fading depot]

Because purg is good ?

[whole oxide]

where people remember where stuff does work, and forget when it doesn't

[silk hawk]

no, its just passive BB with internal cd, and i think it sux with purge bcuz its gona be procing on some trash most of the time

[static needle]

truth has been spoken

[devout robin]

kinetic flayer is going to be inconsistent with purgatus unless you do extra work to play around the timing

[vast yew]

the only build where I've ever considered Flayer was Gunker and then Assail came out and never again

[umbral helm]

because some people don't care about being the most efficient they can be, they just... do shit, because it's a video game, and they're playing it

[severe folio]

yeah dont take flayer with purge

[vast yew]

he meant why Flayer, not why Purg

[severe folio]

if you really have to take flayer maybe take it with a gun

[silk hawk]

i do it with my life 😦

[severe folio]

that way you have consistent rapid firing that maaaay proc flayer on the singular target you want to proc it on

[static needle]

well... would you run 10% BB on about anything other than trauma tho?

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chasing-cars-joker-batman-gif-21630323

me when building Ogryn

[static needle]

Cause BB in and of itself is redundant when you have a voidstrike or surge

[fading depot]

Honestly I just had the room

[severe folio]

other than that kinetic flayer may bump up your overkill damage

[devout robin]

On anything besides Purgatus you can make a case for the occasional bonus but the inconsistency of it is makes it hard to say if it’d really come in handy

[severe folio]

since its bb proc on enemies that do not need it for most of the time

[devout robin]

I usually just nuke enemies that would even need it with the other staves anyway

[umbral helm]

I'm always of two sides with the advice of "but it's bad though" because, it's good general advice, but it's obvious the person you're telling this to knows this and is using it anyway, so it's pointless to say after the first time

[silk hawk]

it works good with surge tho

since with surge u aim only at elites

[devout robin]

Gun Psyker w something like Columnus would probably be the best case as mentioned

[severe folio]

surge maybe but i think gunpsyker is more consistent

[vast yew]

If you're going to spend 2 points on BB + Flayer with Surge you might as well take Assail + Pierce upgrade instead and get much better horde clear instead of doubling-down on Elites you 2-shot anyways

[static needle]

why not use assail or smite with surge tho so you can get effective horde control/clear?

[severe folio]

very controlled and rapidfire at singular target

[fading depot]

Honestly I don't think psyker is a class like vet where every talent has to be streamlined and carefully picked

[severe folio]

because we are talking about bb and flayer

[fading depot]

You can top the scoreboard with any psyker build you can shit out

[vast yew]

nah Psyker is super flexible, especially around the ability

[fading depot]

The class is just goated like that

[devout robin]

bb and flayer do not do the same thing as the other talents meant for crowd clearing

[silk hawk]

true, but that depends on your melee, with DS mk2 u honestly can clear hordes in melee no problem

[vast yew]

... Dueling Sword... Mark 2?

[silk hawk]

ye

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-nervous-scared-anxious-family-guy-gif-3561121

[static needle]

Im not sure a good psyker can deal near the damage of a veteran with a BiS colomnus and onslaught + other dmg talents

[fading depot]

Is that the shitty one that doesn't poke crushers to death

[severe folio]

if you gonna take a horde clear sword you really should take the dclaww

or the force sword

[fading depot]

You can

[vast yew]

or the Illisi

[severe folio]

or the mk4 ds

[silk hawk]

it does a bit less dmg then mk4 but its much easier fight against hordes

[fading depot]

However you're not beating them at boss damage

[severe folio]

dont take the mk2 just to do those sad heavy attacks

[fading depot]

Unless u gunpsyker

[vast yew]

it does a lot less damage vs. Crushers/Maulers/Monsters

because you can't spam heavies as fast

[severe folio]

it does also a lot less damage against horde compare to an mk4

[devout robin]

personally i don’t find the mk 2 add clear to be that much better than the 4’s

[fading depot]

Other than gunpsyker dealing with bosses is probably psykers weakest aspect

[umbral helm]

I'll be honest, every class is like that, because there's a point where you can do good with most things. people just care too much about using the best stuff, because people don't wanna have to think, they just want to win, because winning is their fun. and there's nothing wrong with that, but they often need to be reminded that not everybody is like them, and that goes both ways.

[vast yew]

also I'm pretty sure the Mk2's light attack cleave is the same as the Mk4's

[severe folio]

with every dueling sword you can just spam light into the horde and you will do perfectly fine

[fading depot]

The difference tho is Vet is a lot harder to play and is generally less flexible with its builds

[silk hawk]

eh? u can spam nearly the same speed by simply canceling a combo with block... or just use heavy-light-heavy-light

[severe folio]

no need to concern about its heavy attack for, horde cleaving

that in performance is not that better than just spamming light

[devout robin]

vets with a plasma gun:

[fading depot]

People will flame you for being a stealth vet and not a shout vet

[static needle]

With what staff? I at least don't think staff builds are as good, dmg wise, as veteran

[severe folio]

its slow, its not fit with the sword you are using, other sword do that same method much better

[umbral helm]

that's mostly the skill tree being bloated, but I've nonetheless seen people make it work with effort

[severe folio]

you really would do better spam light into horde with the ds

[fading depot]

I'm not saying it doesn't work, my vet build is stealth Columbus with dumdum and raking

I'm just saying Psyker is easier to be more powerful

[static needle]

With shred on it, yes

[severe folio]

and at that point you wouldnt want the mk2 because it does nothing better than other dueling sword

[fading depot]

Purg

[severe folio]

rampage actually

[vast yew]

Columnus Gaze is pretty nutty; he didn't mention staves
But I know Blaze Trauma can pretty regularly hit 1 million damage in Aurics

[static needle]

Don't u want shred for toughness Regen from mettle? I've found it works very well

[severe folio]

rampage kill really fast

[fading depot]

I don't mean to sound like a total douche (but I will) but since turning on the scoreboard my psyker has not once been outdamaged or outkilled on a successful auric when he has purg staff

[vast yew]

Shred > Rampage IMO because it works on single-targets and procs the crit talents but Rampage does let you hit 3 things instead of 2 once you trigger it

which is nice

[severe folio]

rampage let you 2 shot a crusher with mk4 if you are hitting it in a mixed horde

[static needle]

Huh damn. I thought blaze trauma was mostly good for team support and general CC

[static needle]

This tbh

[severe folio]

with shred, maybe ? but its a 20% crit youre not guranteed the crit

[umbral helm]

that's true right now, I'll admit. but, the general point was it's more on the player than the build, at the end of the day. having the tool doesn't mean you know how to use it, that's proven constantly by randoms and their average performance

[severe folio]

rampage in a horde you are guranteed to get rampage

[fading depot]

Absolutely

Right now I almost exclusively play ogryn and vet because I finished zealot and psyker

[vast yew]

Imma post the video again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj-V9yVPFs

[static needle]

Shred is better if you're running scriers gaze I think

[severe folio]

between shred and 85% damage buff from rampage which one would you pick

[vast yew]

Rampage is fixed

[severe folio]

keep in mind if you miss once your shred is gone

[vast yew]

it's now only the 36% power boost

50% extra damage boost is gone

[worthy hollow]

what is a good psyker leveling build

[severe folio]

oh then thats fuked, because rampage is still killing

[vast yew]

I mean it's still good

all the blessings on DS4 are good

[summer prairie]

with void+trauma at least you wouldn't be meleeing the elites in a mixed horde anyway

and venting shriek eats your rampage material

[fading depot]

Whenever I'm back to psyker I should run more void/trauma

[vast yew]

But if I had to rank them, I'd go Uncanny >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shred > Rampage > Riposte >>> Precog

[fading depot]

I almost always run surge or purg

[vast yew]

Surge and Purg are a lot less taxing on brain

[static needle]

Can voidstrike with surge + warp nexus be similarly effective?

[silk hawk]

not as good as mk4... but still

[umbral helm]

I have a setup for almost everything, and just switch stuff around when I get bored

[static needle]

That's why they are less fun to me lol

[fading depot]

Agreed

I think I'm having the most fun when I'm trying to dueling sword a big group of crushers/maulers

[severe folio]

if its any weapons other than mk4 perhaps i would be more inclined shred than rampage but its the dueling sword, so i really think its already enough crit by itself and the gurantee damage increase in a horde will service it better

[fading depot]

Makes me feel like that duelist guy from s1 of game of thrones

[vast yew]

I mean a lot of Blaze's damage just contributes to your team's overkill damage; burning a poxwalker half to death before an Eviscerator crit-headshots it didn't actually do much
But yeah any of the 4 staves can rock on Auric. They just won't have the inflated damage number from lighting zip-codes on fire

[vast yew]

Mk4 has no innate crit boost

[severe folio]

its the attack speed

[static needle]

Syrio Forel? XD

[fading depot]

Ye

[icy wyvern]

What do we say to the god of rot?

Not today

[fading depot]

I'm in game saying shit like "IM FUCKIN WATER DANCING" because nothing is as exciting as successfuly weaving through and poking like 12 armored elites to death

[umbral helm]

I was gonna go with "don't trust them new nurglers over there" but I guess that works too

[static needle]

Tbh you make a compelling argument. My only counter atm is will u always be hitting at least 3 enemies with the narrow strikes of DS4?

[fading depot]

I'm considering a duel sword gaze build but I've never done a gaze build before

[severe folio]

rampage proc on 3 enemies

[vast yew]

you have to push-attack to start it but afterwards yeah

the power bump on Rampage lets you cleave 3 targets to extend it

[severe folio]

with light attacks

[static needle]

🤤

[severe folio]

rampage does proc on 3 enemies

and mk4 can cleave 3

without rampage

[vast yew]

Normal dueling sword lights only cleave 2 poxwalkers without

they can hit 3 groaners

but it doesn't matter because push attack has triple the cleave of the lights

[static needle]

I got one if u wanna see. It gunpsuker with laspistol

[severe folio]

you will always hit 3 in a horde

[vast yew]

so you just do that once to start it

[fading depot]

Psyker has so many options for Horde clear you don't need your melee for it

[hot zephyr]

So my shield Shield in place of Shriek in my Assail/EP build yesterday was great team support, but I exploded a few times cus I didn't have my OH F*** key, and I noticed something critical when you take shield which is you drop 10% peril reduction which actually matters a lot if you're spamming assail LMB to clear a horde, so you don't free up any extra points even through you could.
(basically these two builds)

[fading depot]

Yes

[devout robin]

i run mk iv on basically anything when i don't have a good answer to armored enemies

[severe folio]

wont even need to, even in a horde of flak you can hit 3 by start lighting, trust

[fading depot]

Even tho I don't really play psyker rn

[vast yew]

is that gun psyker?

[devout robin]

it does basically everything good enough

[fading depot]

I just made an exception yesterday for hard mode twins

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, running Combat Axe + Columnus

[vast yew]

I saw the math a few months ago that said otherwise, and you want to push attack anyways so

[opal pebble]

How do you guys take those full tree pictures?

[hot zephyr]

Gamelantern build editor

[opal pebble]

That a mod or a website

[vast yew]

ooo Caxe, just finally got a good one myself

[vast yew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[severe folio]

i know the hitmass math but im the one that take the rampage mk4 to go against a horde so i know how fast i get rampage

[whole oxide]

didn't they change DS cleave more recently, so you don't need to push-attack anymore

[vast yew]

my DS4 also has rampage

[fading depot]

Speaking of which

[vast yew]

maybe? idk I spam push attacks anyways

[fading depot]

😈

[umbral helm]

y'know we should prolly pin that build editor considering how often it gets asked how/where people are doing those

[fading depot]

We pulled it off right b4 bed time

[vast yew]

nice

[hot zephyr]

gratz bro. That fight is geuninely hard!

[fading depot]

For real

[fading depot]

I was trying to get it for like 5 hours before I gave up and ran psyker

I'm not good enough at ogryn or vet yet for that kinda shit

[fading depot]

Will save

[static needle]

btw if youre wondering why im running movespeed on scrier's gaze its to be able to clutch more easily when im the last one left and move really fast while hip firing laspistol

[severe folio]

i cant see any images

its all a blur to me

[hot zephyr]

Here's the one I got pretty luck on rolling up. Brutal Momentum is absolutely mandatory unless you're ranged or blitz can horde clear tho.

[static needle]

ill dm them

[quartz barn]

I get why people say twins are hard but its always ass when others want you to play something else so they can survive

[severe folio]

i dont think itll be different

[fading depot]

You'll never guess what build I used for it

[severe folio]

i dont think its possible to get out, then get back in that team with a different build

[vast yew]

hard mode twins definitely require some build concessions

[severe folio]

so, they get what they get if they hit the pub

[vast yew]

but that said if you're PUB'ing for hard mode you're walking into that willingly

[severe folio]

yeah

especially when

its like

day 2 ?

[vast yew]

yeah

had a guy rage at us for not running to the second fan that lit up during the gas yesterday

was like "my guy it is day 1 and 3 of us are on our first time

we didn't even know the gas cloud moved

[severe folio]

same i just smoke it

[vast yew]

if you want the team to succeed maybe give us a heads up as to how the fight mechanics work

[opal pebble]

As far as I remember this is my build

[vast yew]

left side upgrade for EP huh? don't see that very often

think the Elite upgrade is better with how many of them the director throws your way on Aurics

[hot zephyr]

Really? Wow. I haven't seen a build that's willing to give up Empathic Evasion

[vast yew]

also I think if you drop one of the nodes in the middle you can grab PC, which is usually a pretty good bet

[hot zephyr]

guess with shield it's not mandatory

[vast yew]

kill 3 shotgunners and watch the rest die before you can reload

[eager mantle]

Yea our first attempt got snubbed because we didn't realize the gas. We survived the first 2 segments but weren't expecting the gas/light segment 3 times for the final phase. Entering final phase at max corruption

[severe folio]

you guys say that but hes not taking the elite kill EP nodd

thats the most glaring spot i see

[vast yew]

first hard mode attempt the ogryn didn't grab a med stimm
guess who died first

[eager mantle]

The random appreciated me and my friend though, told us we were the best party he found while trying

[vast yew]

then he respawned behind bars and we realized the true horror of hard mode

[eager mantle]

Like how, a room FULL of ammo, med/ammo crate, med syringes for everyone

[vast yew]

Idk man lol

he just was like "nah I'm good"

I didn't realize until the elevator doors shut and was like "uh oh"

[ornate hamlet]

Hey guys, can anyone reccommend a psyker build for my friend to run for the special assignment?

[vast yew]

uhhh what staves do they like

I think any of them can work but Voidstrike might be a bit chaotic to try and find time to charge it

Surge/Purg are simpler and let your brain focus on not dying

[severe folio]

dont run psyker 😔

its very rough

[vast yew]

My next plan to try hardmode is DS4/Surge/Smite/Shriek/Warp Siphon

[hot zephyr]

We brought the bubble shield and the veteran talent that restores corruption on medipack plus health stimms and that seemed to be enough to keep everyone up pretty reliably.

[eager mantle]

Trauma may be the most valuable with the CC and able to apply brittleness or soul blaze. Haven't tried gun psyker but the hard boss fight seems like surviving and control

[opal pebble]

Hardly play aurochs, I do try and swap to it tho on aurochs if I remember

[hot zephyr]

We had the tech, but not the damage/team-play on the attempts I had

[severe folio]

should take the gurantee EP on elite kill

[eager mantle]

Yea...I was a vet first time and didn't have the cleanse on med packs. Retry I did

[ornate hamlet]

they kinda usually just play full support and rarely use staff as much, but i think they run voidstrike

[vast yew]

Other Vets take Field Improvisation to let teammates cleanse corruption
I take it to give the Ogryn 4 extra nukes

[static needle]

Hmmm that's pretty good for that ngl

[eager mantle]

Yea giving the ogryn more nukes seem to be good from what I hear with the adds on hard mode

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, between the bubble shield with sanctuary and cleanse/medipack it was solid tech. We just needed a better damage/CC mix and we'd maybe have been able to do it. We couldn't cut through the adds/trash fast enough to chip down the boss health enough

[vast yew]

well they might want to try and make a Surge staff real quick. Good news is Surges are very generous with stat distributions and almost impossible to brick

or they can try Voidstrike

[hot zephyr]

Deploying the bubble shield under the vent during the gas phase is also wicked good tech

[fading depot]

🙂

[severe folio]

its too hard to psyker in secret hard mode

[violet oak]

i disagree

[fading depot]

Not if you have one key thing

[ornate hamlet]

alright sounds, any talent tree you can reconmmend?

[fading depot]

Tank taunt ogryn

[violet oak]

my survivability is greater than my team mates by far

Although, most of them could just be very stupid

[severe folio]

so nothing that depend on the psyker

[fading depot]

Our comp was tank ogryn, plas vet, chastise zealot, smite psyker

[severe folio]

does that mean you clear in the end then, when all your teammate perish

[pine shore]

Can someone explain how fire frenzy works? I don't understand its ingame description

[severe folio]

whats fire frenzy

[violet oak]

Nay, when all perish i lose hope and go for the reset

[pine shore]

https://i.imgur.com/CDjSTtc.png

[fading depot]

We got it on our second try. Ogryn kept bosses tanked, smite got all the elites locked down, two dps destroyed elites then focused bosses, rinse repeat

[severe folio]

whats this blessing for

[pine shore]

edited the screenshot

[static needle]

5 max stacks of 10% higher damage for every enemy killed in close range within 3.5 seconds of each other

[fading depot]

Between tank ogryn and smite psyker we just had total room control for the DPS to get shit done

[pine shore]

thanks

[vast yew]

depends a bit on which staff you're running, but warp siphon at the bottom is a safe bet.

[pine shore]

I don't what to choose, fire frenzy or dumdum

[severe folio]

so its the composition, not the psyker

[hot zephyr]

Ok, i need to re-ask this dumb question from last night:
I have a columnus with Deathspitter, should I put Fire Frenzy or DumDum on it with Deathspitter?

[fading depot]

The psyker is a key part of the composition

[static needle]

idk

[vast yew]

nice!

[fading depot]

Because the elite adds wipe the runs more than anything else

[severe folio]

hmm, then i cant reliable pull this off in pub

[ornate hamlet]

they decided to go with surge staff

[fading depot]

No, fuck pubs

I did it on this discord

[severe folio]

all i have is pub

[fading depot]

Why?

[static needle]

i guess deathspitter for medium range damage and all round viability, fire frenzy for close quarter melting

[vast yew]

yeah the bosses don't really do anything if you just keep moving; the plasma pistol doesn't track you and the melee boss is easy to dodge away from

[fading depot]

Go into lfg channel and find a group

[severe folio]

so i will have to stick with the chain weapons for a while

[fading depot]

And when the ogryn keeps them both taunted, psyker and dps can clear adds very fast

[vast yew]

personal recommendation then is grab Perilous Combustion on the left, grab both crit talents on the right, take Smite or Assail, aura of choice, either dome shield or Creeping Flames Shriek, then Warp Siphon, Warp Rider, and Kinetic Deflection at the bottom

pair with a Dueling Sword 4 with Uncanny for boss damage

and good luck

[severe folio]

😔 was hoping its flexible like other class

[quartz barn]

Bubble to trap gun twin

[fading depot]

It's like you told me earlier, it's personal experience. You could probably do it with another build

[quartz barn]

Also dw, i got it done in a pub

[severe folio]

do you have this personal experience in pub

[quartz barn]

Actually pretty smooth run

[severe folio]

as psyker ?

[fading depot]

I only tried hard mode with random pubs once

[severe folio]

secret hard mode ?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like I'm kinda torn on it. Looking super close I realized dumdum on on repeated hit while FF is on kill, which makes me think FF is better for special packs like ragers or gunners, while dumdum is better for single targets like muties or bosses

[quartz barn]

Voidstrike, ds and bubble

[severe folio]

🤨

hmm

[quartz barn]

Got it in 2 attempts

[fading depot]

Bubble void sounds great for it actually

DS pops Rodins shield SO FAST too

[severe folio]

i should try that out then

[static needle]

what counts as close range, anyone know?

[quartz barn]

If you find good people in a pub run but dont make it just call for a merge

[ornate hamlet]

Thanks for the tips! we'll be trying it out in a bit

[vast yew]

it's supposed to be 15m but it's bugged and is only 7.5m

[quartz barn]

Because thats what i did and everyone joined

[vast yew]

good luck!

[fading depot]

Why can't u join a pre-made group in the discord?

Why only pub?

[quartz barn]

Tbf we also did 2/3 on the first attempt

[zealous pewter]

What’s DS? My wife is playing Psyker and I’m trying to find a build for her for the fight

[severe folio]

too laggy

[fading depot]

Duel sword

[quartz barn]

Dueling sword

[severe folio]

to join other

[vast yew]

Duelling Sword, usually the Mk4 variant

[severe folio]

im in asia

[fading depot]

oof

[severe folio]

most play here are europe

[zealous pewter]

Okay cool, she has a disgusting MK4 dueling sword

[fading depot]

You said the magic words, it's sword posting time

[hot zephyr]

I think it's about 7m, which is pretty darn close.

[fading depot]

POST YOUR DUELING SWORDS

[vast yew]

yeah Mk4 DS + Uncanny hits disgustingly hard against everything

[vast yew]

this is the one I've been using for forever until I can get a godroll

[icy wyvern]

76% damage, it’s bricked.

[quartz barn]

I run it with precog and the other dodge blessing

[vast yew]

Uncanny

get Uncanny

[fading depot]

Damn our swords are like blood brothers

[vast yew]

it's a gamechanger

[vast yew]

yeah though I've got the Krieg saber skin on it now

[zealous pewter]

Is uncanny that good? Hers is like 540 with level 4 rampage and shred

[vast yew]

that's an older screenshot

[vast yew]

it 3-shots Crushers with it

[zealous pewter]

Damn

[fading depot]

I like the default because if you look it says THE EMPEROR PROTECTS on the blade

[vast yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1184705468837412894/image.png?ex=658cf1f2&is=657a7cf2&hm=e9b5f719ea75fcc1b62f87f78829a9e7f5a1df2cf1b3632e78dac32831586b7d&

[quartz barn]

I guess i can put uncanny on it but i dont actively use my melee

[violet oak]

Pubs bells is pain

[quartz barn]

You can skip the bells if youve done hm once

[fading depot]

Go to #vox-lfg-nasa

Also yeah go to uprising difficulty and do hard mode with randoms, it's mega easy and then you unlock the skip

[quartz barn]

Just do it on any difficulty to unlock the skip bell at the start

[violet oak]

no, i like the pain

[fading depot]

Frankly I love this content. Awesome boss fight

[vast yew]

for reference: Crushers have 3500 hp

[fading depot]

Also giving us an actual reward for secret hard mode and not just bragging rights? Dope

[quartz barn]

Ye the fight requires a lot of managing which is nice

[severe folio]

i want their helmets

[quartz barn]

Just play warden in for honor instead

[fading depot]

I just like that it has more mechanics than the normal bosses

[vast yew]

well good news, if you look closely at the ending cinematic the melee twins' fingers twitch

[severe folio]

shut up walnut

[quartz barn]

Literally looks the same lmao

[vast yew]

so good chance she's coming back for round 2

[severe folio]

i do notice that

[fading depot]

But the normal bosses obv cant have much mechanics when they don't have an arena

[fading depot]

I saw that shit

I said "I don't like that. No. Fuck you. Stay dead."

[vast yew]

I'll take the melee twin coming back

the plasma guy spamming grenades can stay tf down

[fading depot]

I hope Grendyl is the mission narrator for when we eventually kill Wolfer

[fading depot]

Those mines killed me so much yesterday

[vast yew]

whenever there's a lull in the elite spawns it's a massive help to have one guy just sprint around triggering them

[severe folio]

rannick is prob a traitor

[fading depot]

Outside of poking the ranged guys shield with DS yesterday, I virtually didn't touch the boss yesterday

[fading depot]

Because yeah, whenever the elites were cleared and the dps focused on bosses, I ran around clearing the mines

[vast yew]

[fading depot]

Playing it like a WoW raid made the fight almost easy for us

Tank ogr taunting the bosses 24/7 because the shield push taunt works on them

Smite psy keeping all the elites on a leash for the dps to rotate onto

It was like fucking music

[fading depot]

I hope not

Rannick is hilarious

[severe folio]

mine dueling sword

[fading depot]

Gorgeous

Rampage is a weird choice but it works

[severe folio]

yes it does work

[fading depot]

Why rampage when you are a purg apprentice?

[vast yew]

the best part is Rampage isn't locked so you can try all the blessings

[fading depot]

I just take out my DS to poke stuff, purg handles groups

[mossy spindle]

any build for the new bosses on hard mode?

[severe folio]

sometime i like to feel the blood in hands

[vast yew]

Rampage is best for horde clear, Shred has worse horde clear but better for triggering talents and pokes, riposte is shred but worse, precog has some niche applications

[fading depot]

Lmfao fair

[severe folio]

i have another mk4 with shred

this mk4 is bless locked, i had to change perks

[fading depot]

Go with your best

[vast yew]

oh weird the locks aren't on the inspect screen

[fading depot]

Good tips to remember, melee one takes more ranged damage, ranged one takes more melee damage

[severe folio]

yeah

[fading depot]

Dueling sword absolutely fucks the ranged shield

Like immensely

[vast yew]

also when the fart gas comes up, run to the fans that light up on the ceiling

happens 3 times; 2nd time the fan switches once, 3rd time the fans switch twice

[fading depot]

Also when you're standing in the light, be ready because lessers and elites will spawn in the door behind you

[radiant yew]

Yo what skin is that

[severe folio]

apparently the gun twin is weak against melee

[vast yew]

looks like customization mod

[severe folio]

and the sword twin is weak against guns

or firing

ranged

[fading depot]

Yes

[vast yew]

but if they haven't updated the store you can get a similar skin

[mossy spindle]

thank you for the info

07

[summer prairie]

I think it's only the void shield though

[severe folio]

in tandem will prob be useful in secret hardmode as both of them got some crazy damage reduction

and yes this is only their shields

not their health damage

[radiant yew]

Nah I specifically wanted the straight blade, the skulls on the grip don't do it for me tho

[fading depot]

Yea

[severe folio]

customization mod

[radiant yew]

[severe folio]

i took the illisi blade and put it on mine

[fading depot]

Rate my psyker drip

[vast yew]

0/10 doesn't have the hat

[severe folio]

then gave the illisi the mk4 blade instead

[summer prairie]

but melee still does more damage vs melee twin shield than ranged

[fading depot]

Old pic I'm not level 78 don't bully me

[vast yew]

Gandalf when he finds a Razor

[fading depot]

Straight space wizard agent

I love the leather jacket

[severe folio]

cripple leg

[fading depot]

Spring loaded nutsack kicks

[severe folio]

next knife gonna have a special kick attack

[fading depot]

U know fuck all the staffs

I want beam staff back

[severe folio]

everyone does

would be the first staff that use sb to kill crushers

melt them with a giant magnifier glass

they should have given us a new staff

everyone got new toys that synergize with themselves

we dont get anything for ourselves

[fading depot]

That's because we're the best already

You can't fix flawlessness

[bleak tulip]

beam staff always felt limp af

like the right click always felt like it had an effect missing it just doesnt feel like anything

[vast yew]

right click lit things on fire and staggered

[severe folio]

prob would feel more impact if its a massive elden ring laser beam

[vast yew]

left click did a bunch of damage on famished flames

left-right click sniped things

[bleak tulip]

I meant left right

[vast yew]

oh left-right was for sniping specials faster

[bleak tulip]

its this high damge burst thing and felt like nothing

it still did damage and all but

the feel

[vast yew]

hold beam on them for about half a second then zip

I think the vfx let it down a bit

[fading depot]

I can feel that

Honestly I neglected Sienna

[severe folio]

the beam need to bore through the enemy

[fading depot]

I loved slayer

[severe folio]

enemies

massive laser beam penetrate through everything

[fading depot]

They'd have to nerf the dmg

[severe folio]

like all sb things

[fading depot]

Otherwise you're a walking deathstar

[severe folio]

honestly regardless of how they do it

no matter what, they need to do one thing straight

the effect has gotta come out from the staff, not the hands

i cant stand holding staffs and shoot fire from my own hands anymore

i have a gorgeous staff i want fire come out from it

[vast yew]

well I have bad news because all 4 staves currently fire the effect from the hand

[severe folio]

yeah

[vast yew]

which is usually how it's portrayed in lore pictures too

[severe folio]

sadly

[fading depot]

I always just saw it as the staff being an augment for your power but not the source

[severe folio]

they are

[fading depot]

I don't know psyker lore that well

[severe folio]

sadly

staff is antenna for warp bs

psyker is the outlet of said warp bs

[eager mantle]

My warp antenna

[fading depot]

Jesus

3% warp resistance

Daemons just sitting on your fucking shoulders while you use it

[eager mantle]

Brunt trying to kill my psyker

It's like 31ish peril even with both -5% peril gen nodes off charge attack

[vast yew]

also only 68 blast radius

RIP

[eager mantle]

I took it to orange. You keep unicorns like these

[fading depot]

Check out my super cool club

[eager mantle]

Gave me lvl 4 warp nexus I don't have yet too

[eager mantle]

I can't get weapons that low anymore but that is funny

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-libre-why-but-gif-23595404

[fading depot]

It's a weapon I had from leveling my ogryn last December that I never sold

At least I assume, because idk how the fuck else I got a club with 233 base rating

[fading depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bounty-django-reward-gif-20411440

[violet oak]

Alright fellow psykers, who plan on doing the bells twins pubs

[fading depot]

I plan on doing it again to help my friend get the penance and then never again

[violet oak]

If you have a taunt ogryn, protect them with you life, and stimms

Most of my attempts went sideways the moment the ogryn died, mainly because the rest of the team couldn't handle aggro from the bosses/dispatch the specials

Taunt ogryns free up your team mates braim cells

[fading depot]

Yeah I did it with a taunt ogryn too

[umbral helm]

I love running taunt ogryn with the shield and feeling like the big tower everyone huddles around for safety

[violet oak]

Also, keep rodin the plasma gun guy, disabled

Kill that fucker first, and if no one else is doing it, keep the gas mines cleared

[quasi junco]

They should have you spawn bloodletters if you go over 100 like in Rogue Trader

[vast yew]

Randomly warp all party members to different areas of the map

[umbral helm]

when we ran it I was half the time on distraction duty with Rinda, blocking and dancing around her, just "objective: survive" while people focused Rodin down. not sure why but she just loved to go after me. just like trappers, it's the crazy bitches, they want my psyker

[vast yew]

Rinda either hard-locks one player and they just dodge away the whole time

or she goes full Vergil and is constantly switching targets for a few seconds

zipping all over

[umbral helm]

well, I was usually the one she locked onto. enough for it to become the new joke with my friends

I remember during one of the fights I just "why me?! hey, I'M NOT INTERESTED, BOUNDARIES, WOMAN " and my friend just laughed and went "you know why, she knows why"

[violet oak]

You can stand in front of her face that'll grab aggro reliably

I used to do that before I discovered rodin duty

[umbral helm]

I usually wasn't near her, she'd spawn back in halfway across the room after the gas phase and just pick me to zoom to, damn near every time

I swear, it's something with my psyker. he's just got that magnet

attracts the crazy

[violet oak]

Maybe your beloved was tryna hook you up

Some plagussy to set the mind straight

[devout robin]

does assail still inherit stuff from the gun you're equipped with

like crucian/handcannon

[mental rock]

No

[devout robin]

very well

[fading depot]

I love that because of how fragmented and spread out he is, the psykers Beloved could actually be a fragment of the Emperor that's talking to them

[mental rock]

Or it's just a daemon

[violet oak]

I dont think a demon linked psyker would be alive in the inquisition very long

Especially as a reject

Thats summarily executed stuff right there

[umbral helm]

I suggested that to my friend who's really into the lore and he said that's probable, but who knows, with the warp

[violet oak]

"This guy has warp powers, made a deal with a demon in his head and got recruited off of a prison ship to the inquisition"

[mental rock]

Well he is not possessed by the daemon, simply hearing it's voice

[violet oak]

Yeah, would still get you executed off of a prison ship though

[mental rock]

Except there is no way for others to know he can hear a daemon so how would he get executed

[umbral helm]

whatever it is, it knows a lot about things, the emperor especially

[violet oak]

Because he says it out loud pretty often...

"my beloved told me.."
"yes my beloved"

The inquisition would not chalk up the warp powered individual to simply be crazy

[mental rock]

Yeah, to other rejects, but if you are on a black ship you think hes still gonna say all that shit?

[fading depot]

Well the psyker definitely thinks it's the emperor

[violet oak]

Its confirmed that the mission handler can hear them through the entire mission

So everything they say to rejects is heard by zola/morrow/hadron

[fading depot]

And it says stuff from the perspective of the emperor

The question is if the psyker is just delusional or if its actually a real entity talking to them

[umbral helm]

well, they do while literally locked in the prison cell ask the people why they can't hear him anymore, and that they don't like that they can't hear his voice

[fading depot]

But all the entity really does is, according to what the psyker says, talk about stuff from the emperors perspective. Like how the high lords of Terra don't listen even though he tries

Or when the zealots are talking about the God Emperor and the psyker says "Beloved, they're talking about you!"

[native plover]

So guys

Am i the only one that think we got the short end of the stick in cosmetics again?

[fading depot]

It's obviously not confirmed since he could just be a through and through nutcase, but it totally COULD be a fragment of the Emperors personality talking to them

[mental rock]

And it COULD be a daemon

[languid osprey]

Beloved AMA when fatshark?

[violet oak]

If its a demon, that reject would not have found themself on a standard prison ship

[fading depot]

Yes, but that wouldnt make much sense.

They'd be a daemonhost basically

Or at least the things the Beloved says to the psyker would be way more sus

[umbral helm]

my personal favorite one is there's an interaction between one of the female vets where our psyker says "yes, beloved. she's not really trying, is she? someone ought to put her through her paces" and she asks what he's saying about her, and he goes "oh, I'm not really saying anything, mostly listening. my beloved has a lot to say about things. you know, he really loves to be the center of attention, it's not healthy"

followed by her replying "oh, I see. well is he saying anything nice?" and he goes "oh, not really. sorry."

[violet oak]

Not necessarily, but they wouldnt pass any kind of inspection by a more powerful/shielded psyker like the one who runs the meat grinder

Hell. that alone would expose the demon, taking a trip to the meat grinder

[pine relic]

I refuse to buy this bundle

[fading depot]

Peg leg? THATS AWESOME

[languid osprey]

literally SUPPORT your psyker fashion

[fading depot]

I think that will go great with my psykers jacket

Might be too light colored

[languid osprey]

Oh is dfor the zealot?

https://tenor.com/view/mengsedih-gif-23325538

[fading depot]

Yeah, people say stuff like "that doesn't sound like the emperor" but at most it would only be a fragment of his personality. It could be a fragment of his pride

[mental rock]

By this logic the beloved would already be confirmed to be the big E because psykers would've already detected him through our psyker. Clearly this isn't the case, and the beloved could still be a daemon

[pine relic]

Oh, wrong chat, sorry

[languid osprey]

already brain bursting u np

[fading depot]

Yes but being linked to a daemon would have other signs of corruption. Especially after so long

[violet oak]

I just gone done with 2 eisenhorn books, so thats where my logic comes from... Like the guy above me said, signs of corruption

[fading depot]

Nobody is hearing a daemon speak into their head for a year straight and not going chaos mode

[mental rock]

Sure, and being linked to the emp would also have other signs

[fading depot]

Not the emperor

A frsgment

[violet oak]

Theres also the fact the warp its self, simply contains knowledge

[mental rock]

Regardless if it's a fragment or w.e, it would still be clear

[fading depot]

There's thousands and thousands, the emps personality is massively split up

It wouldn't be clear

[violet oak]

Treating the warp as binary is silly

[mental rock]

Just like it wouldn't be clear if it was a daemon

There are trillions of daemons, uncountable

More than the emp

[violet oak]

Going to drop some spoilers, which will be spoilered

[mental rock]

You think they can't sneak past a sanctioned psyker?

[fading depot]

Yes but they have a corruptive influence

And again, there's no sign of the beloved psyker being corrupted

The beloved would be saying sinister shit if it was actually a daemon

[violet oak]

|| Inquisitor who briefly interacts with chaos, and does some questionable stuff but not fully over the edge is detected as corrupted, despite very well still working for the imperium||

[mental rock]

No the beloved wouldn't, if it's a tzeentchian daemon they are masters of deception and trickery

[fading depot]

Feels like a big stretch

[mental rock]

Literally could stay undetected for centuries probably

[fading depot]

There's no evidence for the voice to be a daemon

That's basically just a hunch