psyker-class

[vast yew]

Good night!

I think personally (since I run Shriek) I'm gonna flip to the 5% Elites Aura; should let me hit both breakpoints

[glossy ember]

warp rider

very close to 2 shotting mauler but need high peril for sure, you can see me do it once there at 40 peril i think? idk im recording half asleep

[vast yew]

okay so looks like that extra 5% node and Warp Rider is what sends it over the edge

think it'd be more consistent with an 80 damage roll staff too

[glossy ember]

yea

not by much though

i tried with an 80 staff

felt the same

[vast yew]

oh frik my staff only has 20% Flak

[harsh urchin]

yeah brauto blessing is pretty low prio

[vast yew]

oh well Warp Rider should make up that difference if I stay at high peril

[harsh urchin]

since it only has trash to work with

[vast yew]

@glossy ember thanks for the vids bud; get some sleep

... uhhh so I'm pretty sure I should pick this up from Melk for Gunker, yeah?

[glossy ember]

ye i ought to

[willow hazel]

good stats but the rest is eh

[glossy ember]

cyha

[vast yew]

Night!

[cosmic sigil]

most useful blessing is probably stripped down 😄

[vast yew]

yeah looks serviceable with swapping the blessings but maybe just hold out for a better one?

Crucian/Handcannon does get it to like... 62% crit rate with Scrier's

[humble bolt]

rate my new melee psyker build and give feedback pls im new to psyker i just wanna stab things https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad59964-545c-4697-b01a-78a3ca3f7d7a/best-melee-psyker-witch-hunter-captain?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[vast yew]

looks good to me; could drop soulstealer and pick up the other Assail upgrade if you wanted

but otherwise yeah looking solid

@humble bolt woops sorry forgot to reply

[humble bolt]

thx bro

[rose dagger]

Could drop puppet master too. Maybe take the increased dodge duration and count talent instead

Would definitely take the faster recharging assail since neither your melee or ranged is good for hordes

Id run the old laspistol instead too

[potent echo]

New one has better hipfire and range, but lower dps

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like getting extra cooldown on assail goes agaisnt the idea of a "melee psyker" to me assail is just there for when you put yourself in a bad spot.

[humble bolt]

It's mostly just to get those disrupt destiny kills to stack up damage.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, so you don't really need extra cooldown is my point

[humble bolt]

Oh okay so you think the build is fine how it is

[lethal lagoon]

Puppet master is kind of uneeded, you could take both those two talent points and get more survivability.

More thoughness. BM for Scrier's gaze, etc.

Can also grab that toughness dr below emphatic.

[potent echo]

I would drop those listed talents to take these instead

[agile cloak]

Can you get maleus monstronum penance using brain rupture?

[lethal lagoon]

I mean, if he's actually doing a build where he's meleeing 90-95% of the time, warp toughness is meh. So is mind in motion. Crits = Damage and Ranged invul.

[severe folio]

increased dodge duration dont work, only 1 etra dodge

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that talent is just funky, never take.

[quasi grotto]

Yes, just got it myself the other day

[agile cloak]

Thanks!

[quasi grotto]

Good luck, hope your teammates don't head shot the boss by reflex as it turns the corner haha

[potent echo]

Warp toughness should be at max if you are using assail properly

[lethal lagoon]

Is that still a melee build 🤷‍♂️

That's actually why I prefer BB when I do melee builds, because it's so easy to just fall back into being an Assker.

[static needle]

Is psyker just the weakest DPS class of them all?

I feel like the other classes are more efficient at almost everything except for team support

[lethal lagoon]

I can't remember the last time I lost to pubs in DPS on psyker. On other classes it sometimes happens.

[static needle]

is running aura radius ever worth it?

[static needle]

which staff do u use?

[lethal lagoon]

Primarily surge, but I've used Trauma decently, and Void a few times cause I got surge blessing and felt like I had to.

I only run auric t5s and mael on psyker.

[vast yew]

yes

[static needle]

Personally i feel like void is the one with the most interesting gameplay and most depth since you have to lead shots more and line them up better

[static needle]

i mean if u arent going for warp charges

[lethal lagoon]

the problem with pubs is that no one kills ranged mobs.

And using void to kill one lone ranged mob makes me mald.

[vast yew]

if you have literally nothing else worthwhile to grab, then yeah. It helps spread your aura buff and keep coherency when spread out more

[static needle]

thats kinda a skill issue tho but yea

[vast yew]

what's he gonna put those 2 points in; more toughness regen talents?

[static needle]

absolutely

[vast yew]

it's a skill issue until a bomber splits the party in 2 and the extra radius means you still have 4-man coherency

[lethal lagoon]

BM, +15 toughness(could be impactful depending on his curios).

[static needle]

wait whats bm

[vast yew]

Beez Muts

[lethal lagoon]

10% chance to quell on kill, not horrible when you are running scrier's or smite.

[vast yew]

(Battle Mediatation)

[static needle]

ah

yes

i run that too

[lethal lagoon]

I like it on my braindead surge build when I just wanna spam with 0 logic or coherent thought.

[static needle]

Here is my build for laspistol gunker

[vast yew]

Curious why you go for the Toughness on Peril generation and Soulstealer instead of Quietude and Perilous Combustion

[static needle]

i feel liek i dont need PC since assail can take care of stray targets well

but id k

[vast yew]

I mean fair but it does help out with the horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

PC is more for chain reactions to wipe out huge elite hordes.

[vast yew]

ye mixed hordes or rager packs

[lethal lagoon]

But honestly, either scoreboard is calculating warfire wrong or maybe it's not as worth it as I thought.

[static needle]

quitetude is simply not good since i want my peril high and wont be quelling much and the regen speed is not good without a warp weapon and +30% quell speed

[static needle]

hmmm yeah i guess

but then i dont need to run a toughness curio

i can just do HP, HP, stamina

[vast yew]

yeah but it works off passive decay and has twice the rate of Warp Expenditure

with Scrier's up Mettle should be giving you plenty of toughness back

though with the Laspistol you won't be getting as much as a Columnus

[static needle]

the thing is tho, if i can generate toughness while getting crits and kills with assail, thats more than enoughn toughness regen. I would run it if i had higher quell speed somehow

[vast yew]

hmmm

fair enough points

[static needle]

gunker with assail is all about being aggressive with attacks

[vast yew]

Yeah assail is great for throwing a few darts as you run in

[static needle]

You get crits, assail warp kills in hordes, make alot of peril very fast, get toughness back

if youre quelling peril you usually dont need the toughness in that moment

most of the time

[vast yew]

I suppose the question I'd have is: after you hit 100% peril, how do you get toughness back

[static needle]

crits

and having a high toughness amount (133)

[vast yew]

you can't throw assail darts, so no soulstealer, gaze drops so crit rate goes down after 10 seconds, and Warp Expenditure won't be triggering

[static needle]

i mean i still shoot fast so i do get plenty of crits

[vast yew]

that be why I think maybe the Quietude would work better, because it helps you on the downturn instead of the upturn

[static needle]

dodge away with DS and quell

[vast yew]

right but if you're quelling then Quietude works better

just spitballing of course

[static needle]

eh i really only quell to like 65% average

while i regularly generate from 0 to 100

its pretty much even toughness gain if u ask me

[vast yew]

right but the passive decay from 65 to 0 still triggers Quietude

[ornate hamlet]

Ideally

[static needle]

but yet, this is a point

[ornate hamlet]

You regen a mass of toughness with soulstealer

[static needle]

hmm

[ornate hamlet]

And maintain the tidbits with mettle

[vast yew]

yeah Soulstealer + Assail + Mettle can get back a huge chunk with just a few darts

[ornate hamlet]

It does feel like ass compared to other classes that have much better toughness regen tho

[static needle]

btw i use assail recharge time so i can make use of malefic momentum and perfect timing synergies more

[lethal lagoon]

Soulstealer nerf should have just been to 10% :C

[ornate hamlet]

Relying on 5% per crit on a weapon that isn't particularly fast is eh

[magic talon]

Big jump from malice to heresy

[ornate hamlet]

Specially on a class that doesn't have any attack speed

[vast yew]

laspistol has inherent +20% crit

[ornate hamlet]

It's really weird

[vast yew]

and psyker has base 7.5%

+10% from node/aura

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, for guns yeah

[vast yew]

so that's 37.5%

[static needle]

scriers

[ornate hamlet]

But dueling sword is still kinda slow

[static needle]

and fast firing gun

[vast yew]

for Dueling Sword you basically have to have Shred to get any decent toughness back

[static needle]

???

[vast yew]

but it works pretty well with Shred

[static needle]

i have assail for toughness

but fair point

[ornate hamlet]

Wasn't the weapon in question DS?

[vast yew]

since again you end up hitting... uhhh... 7.5% + 10% + 20% = 37.5%, and if you hit multiple dudes it gives 5% back per guy

[ornate hamlet]

Or maybe I got things in the middle

[static needle]

yes but how is it slow?

[vast yew]

I think he meant slow for toughness regen?

[ornate hamlet]

Well, it's

Not fast?

[vast yew]

unless he meant mobility, but DS has pretty darn good mobility

[static needle]

still worth running cause u can onehit muties, and maulers, even crushers in some cases

[vast yew]

(slightly less than Deimos, but still +8.5% dodge range at 80 Mobility)

[static needle]

assail covers the weak horde clear of DS

[ornate hamlet]

5% per crit on a melee weapon should warrant some really fast attack speed, considering you can just pop assail and get a massive amount more from hordes

[static needle]

laspistol

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker doesn't really have good toughness regen on melee outside of force swords

[static needle]

good enough imo

[vast yew]

it'll give 10% back vs. Hordes as DS4 cleaves 2 dudes

or like.. 15%-20% back on push attack crits

but it can be dicey with how squishy you are

[static needle]

ye and illisi is not good for crushers or maulers from what ive seen

idk tho

[vast yew]

oh Illisi is not great vs. Elites, though it's better than you'd think thanks to the special attack being Power-Sword style

it's far behind the deimos and DS4 tho

[static needle]

yea i know

yeah...

well

[vast yew]

Also if Hadron could please give me a single decent Laspistol

That'd be swell

[static needle]

one instance where i do need something with better horde clear is in panic close quarters

cause DS doesnt really hold up well to being overwhelmed

i tried switching to catachan 6 knife but maybe thats just a bad choice

[vast yew]

new Dagger should work fine

[static needle]

doesnt tho

[static needle]

i feel like its barely even better at horde clear compared to DS4

and i cant stagger ragers efficiently with its special attack

maybe a skil issue tho

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not sure the special staggers ragers

For knife that is

[static needle]

ive heard it does

dunno tho

[ornate hamlet]

The DS4 is just poking

[static needle]

cause DS4 special definately does

[static needle]

we agree that it staggers? cause it does

[ornate hamlet]

ye

[compact bluff]

the knife special only staggers if the enemy currently has a certain amount of stagger because it ignores stagger reduction
effectively, you heavy melee a rager for 10 stagger, punch it for 5 stagger, and then it'll be staggered because it now has ~15 stagger, all ignoring stagger reduction

its a long way to say you have to hit the guy with a heavy then punch them to stagger them

[static needle]

thx for explanation

is new knife better at hordeclear when being overwhelmed compared to DS4?

[harsh urchin]

Not really lol

Both of them you just slowly hordeclear with your own skill

[static needle]

so running that knife will prolly be redundant?

[harsh urchin]

Reason to run knife over ds is to run faster and also better boss dps

[static needle]

dont have unyielding on it

sadge

[harsh urchin]

Reason to run ds over knife is safer rager and crusher killing

[static needle]

hol on tho... Couldnt deimos be better at hordeclear with slaughterer?

[harsh urchin]

Yes

[static needle]

than DS4?

i should try that tbh

[harsh urchin]

Are you having issues with hordeclear lol

[static needle]

lol yep

[rose dagger]

Deimos much better against hordes than duelling sword, but that's a very low bar

[harsh urchin]

Cuz hordeclear with single target focused weapons is mostly just skill based

[static needle]

or at least with being overwhelmed as a gunker with laspistol

[harsh urchin]

Maybe use illisi

[static needle]

eh idk

[rose dagger]

Assail is your horde clear as duelling sword gunker

[static needle]

need to kill crushers too

[harsh urchin]

Or just be better

At assailing

[static needle]

not enough when they're in ur face

[harsh urchin]

Mostly skill issue then lol

[static needle]

bruh

ait

[harsh urchin]

You can quickswap back and forth

To clear with assail

[rose dagger]

I assail trash in my face all the time. Get better at dodging and making openings

[harsh urchin]

While using ds or knife

Try getting the spawner mod

And practice fighting a both of poxwalkers

With melee and assail

[static needle]

Could this be better than running crit aura bcz of extensive toughness dmg protection?

[static needle]

poxwalkers and trash arent an issue

its mixed mobs

[static needle]

i feel like i dont need the 5% crit chance since i get crits at a good rate anyway but not sure

[harsh urchin]

Mixed mods get destroyed with uncanny assail

[long wharf]

you never have enough crit chance

[harsh urchin]

Or handcannon assail

[static needle]

wait so you want uncanny going?

[harsh urchin]

Tbh it sounds like skill issue lol

[rose dagger]

They patched hand cannon assail

Did they not

[static needle]

if anything it would be positioning at fault

[harsh urchin]

You can still do it with weapon swapping

[static needle]

cause i know what im doing

[harsh urchin]

They patched the bug

[static needle]

dont you want illisi for that tho?

[harsh urchin]

But you can assail then weaponswap

Tbh i dont think your melee weapon matters too much lol

You prob just need to get better at weaving assails

While fighting mixed hordes

[static needle]

how much does aiming matter tho

they track...

but not at any discrepancy

[harsh urchin]

You need to mouse over head bcz you want the assail to hit head

And you also need to his head with knife or ds

Otherwise shit doesnt die

[static needle]

wont deimos one hit HS mutants with 10+ DD charges?

[static needle]

deimos can do this well too?

[harsh urchin]

it generally tries to go where your mouse as afaik

[thorn cedar]

yes but not with any reliability

or i should say

with any consistent approach

you cant really anticipate assail headshotting like, ever

it happens, probably more than i think

but it's a fickle little fucker

[harsh urchin]

for example, if i point my mouse downwards:

[digital narwhal]

Yes it is.

[harsh urchin]

compare to if I point my mouse at head level-

I still don't get 100% headshots

but it's more consistent

[digital narwhal]

You weave in and out of Assail.
Assail, Melee, Assail, Melee, etc.

Weaving in and out helps maintain Assail charges, and lets you maintain Malefic Momentum.

Congrats, you now know how to Assail.

[digital narwhal]

[thorn cedar]

i just wish they always 100% headshotted

and adjusted its numbers from there

[harsh urchin]

it's still inconsistent, but weaving properly is actually a shitload of your damage

[thorn cedar]

oh yeah

absolutely

[harsh urchin]

especially since it stacks uncanny

[thorn cedar]

and procs EE

and ghost on my laspistol

and dumdum

[digital narwhal]

Also, weaving with a DumDum + Fire Frenzy Autogun is nice, too.

[thorn cedar]

assail is still ridiculous

[harsh urchin]

tbh if you aren't able to weave with assail properly

i dont recommend it

assail is kinda ass if you're just throwing it by itself

[thorn cedar]

do it anyway tho cause u oughta learn

[harsh urchin]

other psyker builds are much stronger

[torpid breach]

Noooo u must main assail and not use anything else everrrrrr

[digital narwhal]

I'm proud of the fact that I was forced to learn Assail weaving since Gun Psyker just so happens to be my favourite way to play Psyker.

[thorn cedar]

i scarcely recall how staves work

[harsh urchin]

if you're just playing 3s or 4s then it doesn't matter

[thorn cedar]

where does the magazine go in them

such a mystical item

[harsh urchin]

but assail is pretty skill intensive

if you're taking it to histg or maelstroms

[thorn cedar]

i dont find it that hard

like resource management is probably its biggest skillcheck, since you're rotating between melee, a gun, and assail, and they all do something different at different times

sometimes ur brain wont know which of those three options to pick

or you'll do something hilarious

like perils yourself to death off the special force push on the laspistol

during a clutch

lmao

still haunts me

[harsh urchin]

i dont think the resource mgmt is that hard lol

[lethal lagoon]

Blowing yourself up during a clutch is so fucking embarassing lmao.

I hate it so much.

[digital narwhal]

Biggest thing for me is the action delay between firing Assail after the input is placed, which sometimes makes me blow up in Scrier's when I'm not paying attention.

[thorn cedar]

the lock out after right clicking an assail is just

[digital narwhal]

Like, I'll assume it's fine to throw 1 out and then begin Quelling to increase uptime.

[thorn cedar]

incredible isnt it

[digital narwhal]

And then the delay hits me with a self detonation.

[harsh urchin]

i think SG is ass still lol

[thorn cedar]

i like it

[digital narwhal]

I like it.

I think it's fine.

But it could use some touch ups.

[harsh urchin]

not a big fan of the design

[thorn cedar]

i dont really have issues with peril management and im pretty bored of shout ult

shields are fun but then i still have left over peril to spend constantly

[digital narwhal]

I like SG since it's another method of keeping high Peril on Gun Psyker, so I don't have to rely solely on Assail for Warp Rider.

[thorn cedar]

so scriers it is

[harsh urchin]

there's quite a few issues with it

[thorn cedar]

yeah

the cooldown thingy for one

[harsh urchin]

first the fact that the cooldown doesn't tick until it finishes

[lethal lagoon]

If the cooldown could tick, it'd be insane for staves.

[harsh urchin]

i would rather have the cooldown be longer and have the cooldown tick while it's on

[digital narwhal]

I've mentioned a few times that I think SG should provide Suppression Immunity, and also end at 97% like Kinetic Deflection, solely for the sake of not blowing up form Assail lock out/delay.

[harsh urchin]

second is the forced finesse synergy with it

[digital narwhal]

[thorn cedar]

nah i like the 100% gimmick

i know arco doesnt have much love for it either and i hear peeps talk about being able to self-deactivate at any time

[brazen rampart]

I have a purgatus staff in Mr milks inventory I could buy with t3 warp nexus and t3 focused channeling

[thorn cedar]

but imo just give it another buff

[umbral helm]

a friend of mine doesn't like playing psyker because it's a lot managing little things all at once, at high level play, and his brain just simply isn't built for it. I'm used to it, but I can get how it's a little overwhelming for people new to it. you're thinking about like 5 things at any one given time

[digital narwhal]

Yeah but blowing up because of the Assail lock out/delay because it goes up to 100% can be immensely annoying.

[thorn cedar]

make that shit really worth it despite the loss of control

[brazen rampart]

the stats aren't very good but I'm thinking kf buying it for the blessings

which one should I get first

[harsh urchin]

i think the crit is nice tbf

the last is not being able to control it

you can't really manage your peril at all

while it's on

[thorn cedar]

neither are T4 so i wouldnt get em tbh

[harsh urchin]

if you could just press the button to turn it off

that would be excellent lmao

[thorn cedar]

yeah so i just like charge my staff indefinitely until i hit 100

if i have a staff anyway

[digital narwhal]

This is also why I believe ending at 97% would be nice.
It'd give you a buffer for if you want to end it early by throwing Assail.

[thorn cedar]

and otherwise i just do not ever toss assails over 90%

[lethal lagoon]

Run Surge and Flaming Shriek with Warp Charges. Limited management, just go brr.

[thorn cedar]

cause thats just how it is lol

[brazen rampart]

that's depressing for me then

[harsh urchin]

or just forcibly vent you to 0% after it ends

[brazen rampart]

what about an illisi with t3 unstable power and blazing spirit?

[harsh urchin]

so you can't blow up

[digital narwhal]

No, no, no

[lethal lagoon]

That seems a little OP

[harsh urchin]

like over a few seconds

[digital narwhal]

That'd make Peril edging for Gun Psyker super annoying

[lethal lagoon]

Or Underpowered depending on your build

[harsh urchin]

2-3 seconds of infinite heat

[thorn cedar]

melk coins are hella valuable when you're starting off and depending on how much you play too

try to save them for just T4's, or a weapon that is by itself already awesome as fuck

[brazen rampart]

I am in fact poor on milk coins

[thorn cedar]

ye

[lethal lagoon]

I'm running out of little melkies :c

[thorn cedar]

you do get T4's 'naturally' by just playing and upgrading other shit

[digital narwhal]

Oh you mean like how they're giving a few seconds of "Infinite Overcharge" to VT2 Pyromancer after using their Flaming Skull ability?

[thorn cedar]

eventually your melks will pile up

like i think i have 80k

cause there just isnt anything to buy from him anymore

[brazen rampart]

so wait I can pull a t4 blessing by consecrating and big E gifts?

[thorn cedar]

ye

[brazen rampart]

I thought those capped out at t3

[harsh urchin]

tldr:
SG slowly hits 100%.
Once it hits 100%, it vents you down to 0% over 2-3 seconds, but you still keep the crit+dmg buffs for 10 seconds after it ends

[thorn cedar]

nah t4

[umbral helm]

you are at the mercy of RNG as always, but yes

[harsh urchin]

that way it becomes actually useable

[thorn cedar]

does depend on your player level, at 30 yes

[harsh urchin]

with staves + assail

[brazen rampart]

damn ig I gotta run damnation then

[harsh urchin]

because rn staves + assail feel so fucking terrible with it

lmao

[brazen rampart]

I dont like my current setup on that high difficulty though

[harsh urchin]

maybe it doesn't vent you to 0, maybe it vents you to 50% idk

i just hate how it works

[brazen rampart]

lack of an illisi or mk4 duel sword is making me cringe

[lethal lagoon]

You have a good chance of running into plasteel farmers on normal t5s.

So you can hitch a ride

Or running into people who think aurics are too hard...

So a coin flip really

[brazen rampart]

I dont think damnation is hard, per se

[umbral helm]

especially if it's a low intensity mission

[brazen rampart]

I'm just using a not so good weapon

combat axe is not very good, all things considered

I have a great stub revolver tho

[harsh urchin]

caxe is quite good lol

[umbral helm]

I never could get into the axes. not sure what it is exactly, but none of them have good game-feel to me

[untold widget]

low cleave vs hordes, still takes 5-6 chops to kill crushers and such

just not as good at things as DS4 or Deimos

[lethal lagoon]

Same. Even after watching some videos of people using them well... they just feel... off.

[untold widget]

Oh man, this last consecration could be everything

[tame briar]

I die alot as psyker. I can carry with zealot and veteran ... Why ?

[untold widget]

you trying to main melee?

[umbral helm]

I've tried them on more than just psyker, had a funny build idea with zealot where I'd stack momentum with thrust and limbsplitter with stealth and backstab things, and it's effective, if not the most efficient. but it just doesn't feel good to swing, or use. doesn't matter how good it is

I've tried all sorts of things with it, just never stuck

[lethal lagoon]

To me an axe should feel a lot like an Ogryn's club. Have some sort of heft behind it.

Even small axes.

[umbral helm]

it has impact, I think. why I say I'm not sure what I don't like, but I don't like em.

[fresh reef]

I have realized that brittleness kinda just eliminates assail's only weakness
and it's really funny

[umbral helm]

the heft thing though is why I dislike melee combat in Elder Scrolls, actually. especially two-handers. got this big warhammer but swing it like it doesn't have any weight behind it or the impact

[lethal lagoon]

It's also why most souls-likes feel so inferior.

Getting that heft right is hard.

But fatshark actually does it really well for most weapons

So the axes are really glaring to me.

[umbral helm]

ye, I've convinced a couple people to get the game purely off of clips of me playing my zealot with a thunder hammer or eviscerator and swinging into a crowd/big target

because it's always "holy shit, that melee looks so fun"

[long wharf]

the combat axes feel really good to use

[potent echo]

It's easier to sell heft in third person

Because you can animate the entire body putting the weapon into motion, see monster hunter weapon animations

[umbral helm]

well yeah, this is a subjective thing, ultimately. they don't feel good to me personally, but a lot of people love using them, for one reason or another. I'm just not one of those people

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent echo]

Combat axe and scrier makes scrier fun

[lethal lagoon]

Monster hunter is one of those games that kind of struggles with heft though, no?

[potent echo]

No

Just look at the TCS animation or the regular LS step slash

[lethal lagoon]

I only ever played one a few years ago, and that was the impression I got. So that's probably why I think that.

[potent echo]

People who say that have no idea what they are talking about

[long wharf]

the problem with Monster Hunter is that you're just doing attack animations

there's no animation interruption on melee hits

[potent echo]

What does that even mean

You mean hitstop?

[long wharf]

animation interruption, yes

[potent echo]

It's quite a controversial topic

[long wharf]

I mean, I don't see how

[potent echo]

It's needed to sell hits but also it really messes up timings for some attacks

[long wharf]

it's a technical topic

[potent echo]

Some meme ass builds deliberately target hard parts of the monster and get faster kills because of no hitstop on hardparts

[umbral helm]

the only thing I know about monster hunter
https://youtu.be/lC7nGAeFlX8?si=NQZcaNkeiuUPhD4z

[winter siren]

i understand but kinda disagree. axes should be a controllable weight unless you are talking huge battleaxes. a lot of people overestimate weapons weights, exaggerated by comics etc, most axes, maces, even warhammers were not actually these huge weighty things as control is important and you dont actually need a lot of force to smash a skull or break an arm

[lethal lagoon]

I mean more like it should feel like to you like a Ogryn's club does to him.

Not that it should feel like an Ogryn's club to normies.

I expected to get the same feel as chopping wood, instead the bigger axe feels more like a machete. And the smaller one feels like a bad knife.

To be clear I'm not referencing actual DPS performance.

[brazen rampart]

my whole thing with axes is that they feel very single target damage-y

when I'm trying to take down a horde while assail is recharging they are terrible

I genuinely feel like a hindrance to my team while using one

and get this

[winter siren]

yeah but like a mid sized dane axe would only be around 1.5kg head, a modern tech alloy survival axe can be like .7kg total with a nice broad cutting face

[brazen rampart]

76% damage on a headshot doesn't one shot shooter type units

I have to get into the heavy attacks to do that, and the opener doesn't guarantee I kill in one hit

[zenith zealot]

should i buy?

mobility's a dump stat and it has 5% crit as a starter perk

[umbral helm]

I would purely because I'd be curious what it would turn into

[zenith zealot]

true

beloved guide my hand to the acquire button

[umbral helm]

if nothing else you might get to strip a good blessing off of it

[zenith zealot]

well only blessing im missing is savage sweep so i doubt that

[zenith zealot]

gawd daym

just gotta replace devastating with wrath/rampage

this is basically a perfect roll

[untold widget]

what a gun, eh sblngs?

[cerulean lily]

If I’m running a voidstrike with surge blesssing and nexus …which two perks are the go to’s these days? Flak and maniac still?

[untold widget]

Also, to cap off the drama from my last post, this was the final roll of the gunslinger revolver

[quasi grotto]

Oh thanks for the tips yesterday btw @untold widget and @gusty furnace managed to get warp battery yesterday!

[untold widget]

Hell yeah dude, nice

[potent echo]

I'm not sure if I like crucian or trickshooter for the new revolver

[untold widget]

the reload is already super fast compared to regular

[potent echo]

Crucian buffs are small, trickshooter is hard to use in panicky situations

[quasi grotto]

Funnily enough I was helping a friend out in heresy when I got it. They're pretty new so we were taking things super slow ironically enough. I don't think it was even high intensity

[untold widget]

you were probably just the only person taking out specials

[potent echo]

Or maybe surgical 💀

[quasi grotto]

Essentially yes

[untold widget]

and if you get a mission without an extended downtime like elevator, the steady pace can help

So what perks do we want on this revolver

could go unyielding maniac?

[potent echo]

Hard to say, flamers are hard to deal with so maybe maniac

Unyielding to lean into the boss killing probably, but it also suffers against maulers and crushers kinda

[untold widget]

that's what melee is for

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[quasi grotto]

We actually got Warren and took such a steady pace that I got warp battery as we were in the stairwell towards the first elevator

[strong gulch]

I'm still playing around with MK 14 revolver perks to see what I like. Atheneum has been updated to rec flak / unarmored / maniac.

[vast yew]

Unarmored

Fascinating

[untold widget]

for what, shotgunner arm shots?

[brazen rampart]

[untold widget]

of course, as soon as I make that, the store gives me this

smh

[quasi grotto]

Personally I still like flak maniac on my revolvers, I find elites and specials to still be more dangerous than bosses

[vast yew]

it snipes OK but the real problem is if you try to shoot an elite/specialist in a horde you have a good chance of just bouncing off some poxwalker instead

[cerulean lily]

If I’m running a voidstrike with surge blesssing and nexus …which two perks are the go to’s these days? Flak and maniac still?

[vast yew]

I run Carapace and Crit chance but I think any 2 of Flak/Maniac/Carapace/Crit Chance can be argued for

[umbral helm]

I use the yeehaw more as a backup than my main weapon, when I use it. I'm basically a melee psyker with the revolver as insurance

[vast yew]

I mean Revolver Psyker is effectively Assail Psyker, but with a pocket sniper

Psyker uses Revolver the same way Zealot does; as a quick pull-out problem-deleter

[umbral helm]

it's fun to use it the way I do, all I really care about ultimately

[quasi grotto]

Would anyone know what the base crit chance for voidstrike is? You've got a few talents and perks that could help but it would be nice to know the odds of the surge blessing triggering

[lethal lagoon]

7.5, same as Psyker

[vast yew]

AFAIK, Voidstrike has 0 extra crit

[lethal lagoon]

So yeah 0 extra

[vast yew]

so 7.5; 12.5 with the crit node at the bottom, 17.5 at least if you have Nexus

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike pretty heavily relies on true aim

So set up those bowling allys

[vast yew]

actually Atlas, question: The Laspistol has 20 base crit. Is that added to the Psyker's 7.5 or does it supersede it?

[quasi grotto]

Gotcha, thanks for the info!

[lethal lagoon]

Added it seems like

so 27.5

[vast yew]

[lethal lagoon]

No wait, my bad

Wait are you sure it's 20 base crit?

[vast yew]

idk people were throwing that number around earlier

for the new one

[umbral helm]

no idea how it works, but there's a chance it's a percentage of a percentage, like how warframe does it

[lethal lagoon]

Oh new one

[potent echo]

Either that or dreg gunner headshot

[potent echo]

You can get the finesse stacks, iirc if it's similar to revolver, then it's more like 18.75%

[lethal lagoon]

Old one was 15% base from what I understand.

I can check the new one.

[vast yew]

think revolver gets +21 for 28.5% base if you have 80 Crit Bonus

woops Zealot brain for a sec

[potent echo]

Yea

[lethal lagoon]

It looks like 15% base for the new one too.

So my guess is 20% was talking about vet

[vast yew]

Ah okay that makes sense

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker has 7.5 base though so it's 22.5

[potent echo]

Yea

Then with 10% from node and aura and 20% scrier you can push it pretty high

[vast yew]

So Laspistols have, what... 7.5 + 5 + 5 + 15 = 32.5, 52.5 under Scriers? 57.5 if you run a crit perk as well?

[potent echo]

I still think they should give us more crit per stack instead of power for scrier

[vast yew]

new revolver is also pretty wild, 7.5 + 5 + 5 + 21 = 38.5, 58.5 under Scriers, 78.5 with Crucian fully stacked

haha Handcannon goes brrr

[hasty breach]

is there a way to inspect a base crit chance rate in-game or with a mod?

[vast yew]

weapons with Critical Bonus will say what their bonus crit chance is if you hover over the stat when inspecting

otherwise... uhh maybe one of the mods adds it?

[untold widget]

Man, I don't know how effective it is, but DD Voidstrike is certainly a very fun playstyle

[hasty breach]

is that just voidstrike being fun?

i struggle to see how disrupt destiny is better than the base damage bonuses from warp charges, usually

[vast yew]

I hate DD with a fiery passion but if it works, hey

[untold widget]

It's like aim trainer

plus it feels like surge proc's more

[vast yew]

That’s placebo

DD doesn’t change crit rate

True Aim does all the heavy lifting there

[untold widget]

yeah true

also the surges feel more powerful

when they proc

probably the crit damage from the buff

but the minigame is just fun

[vast yew]

Yeah it’ll increase the damage slightly

[hasty breach]

it also looks cool

[vast yew]

Though it shouldn’t increase the damage more than WS’s 24%

[untold widget]

yeah

[hasty breach]

its also just a bunch of piddly stacks i worry about falling off

[untold widget]

also I'm not punished as much for shrieking

[hasty breach]

you get warp charges from ALLIES even

that is true cal

[vast yew]

I mean on Auric you get charges of WS back fast enough anyways with the 50 ragers running around

[untold widget]

I think just because I have a hard time keeping true aim and warp battery with WS

so

the damage feels the same

[vast yew]

I’d have to look at the specific math to see if DD’s 15% damage, 30% crit damage, and 37.5% weak spot damage manages to beat the 24% damage from WS

[lethal lagoon]

DD voidstrike is a terrible combo, because it often requires you to voidstrike suboptimal enemy groupings versus searching for proper bowling alleys.

It is fun for sure though

DD is fun in general

[untold widget]

cause, to get Warp battery I'd have to give up perfect timing or PC

to keep True Aim

which, could probably drop PC

[vast yew]

You shouldn’t have to

[potent echo]

That's why you run assail, you also don't need to constantly kill shiny targets

[vast yew]

What’s the full build look like

[untold widget]

sec

[vast yew]

Oh I don’t run PC on Voidstrike either; things die too fast for the burn stacks to add up

[potent echo]

PC really helps against rager or shotgunner balls

[lethal lagoon]

If you are running soulstealer or quietude, you might as well grab PC.

[untold widget]

This is WS without warp battery

[vast yew]

With Surge Voidstrike? Don’t really feel like I need it

[untold widget]

I probably dont

[lethal lagoon]

I guess you could skip PC for that 6 stack

[untold widget]

but the dopamine I get from the blue flames coming up

feels gud

[potent echo]

Warp charge tax oof

[untold widget]

so expensive

[potent echo]

Take DD and you have alot more flexibility

I dont even take quell speed

[hasty breach]

is toughness damage reduction or more toughness generally better -- i assume toughness

just from how much damage things do

[untold widget]

This is what I would take for 6 charges maybe

[potent echo]

Taking out PC for 6 charges kinda eh

[mighty olive]

i really hope -- and this is random sorry, but i really hope that we get another psi veil with a darker mask or no mask >_< i love this so much

[lethal lagoon]

PC without flaming shriek can be super dissapointing though.

[untold widget]

this is the DD build

[potent echo]

Reduction is 5%, so math

Also it's less than 5% because its multiplicative

[vast yew]

Hold on having trouble posting my Voidstrike build

[lethal lagoon]

Good psyker helms are pretty rare yeah

[hasty breach]

i mean i die from 1 shots and stuff so it's gotta be toughness right

[potent echo]

Skip bottom left 3 and take the extra toughness and stuff

[viscid matrix]

I’d rather shield over shriek, shriek is a crutch for preventing explosion, while only offering middling damage and a tiny knock back

[lethal lagoon]

Most are design your own toliet bowl type deals

[mighty olive]

i knowww and i can't stand it >_<

[potent echo]

Nuh uh

[rose dagger]

On psyker toughness. Ogryn and martyr zealot can be pretty tanky with all the toughness dmg reduction they can stack tho

[hasty breach]

does DD have a place with the surge staff maybe?

[untold widget]

I originally tried getting rid of Solidity and Puppet master for EE and 5% ranged, but I went back after a time

[untold widget]

Shield is a crutch for bad play, Shriek is for room clearing of covered gunners

[lethal lagoon]

This hat is another one of the better ones.

[potent echo]

Shield is cope for when you don't run assail with voidstrike

[mighty olive]

i grabbed that outfit super quick XD

[potent echo]

Then you feel that shooters are too much

[hasty breach]

shriek soulblaze is lethal to enemies and sets up spreading fire; it lets you maintain your attacks much longer with other weapons/abilties

[untold widget]

I don't need more toughness

[hasty breach]

it also is just a hedge against overload

[lethal lagoon]

I noticed it like a day before it disappeared was pretty happy lmao.

[vast yew]

Okay found my VS. build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1182067950014955602/image.png?ex=65835991&is=6570e491&hm=071529c1ad960aebeb7a2445d9b8b75682bfb0ff695f9c4bfa5eed00f6a7abdd&

[potent echo]

Extra 5% ranged node then

[untold widget]

yeah I had it that way for a while

but the quell speed got to me

[frozen osprey]

i think psyker might be a good class guys

[lethal lagoon]

Nah

[vast yew]

Ssshhhhh

Don’t tell the blunts

[mighty olive]

i hope you got the peg leg pants to go with it!

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker was ruined after they nerfed assail and voidstrike, surge is terrible DPS and definitely not strong. Don't play psyker 🙂

[rose dagger]

Psyker is the least powerful imo, but that's likely a hot take

[vast yew]

I missed the hat and regret it every day

[lethal lagoon]

I don't even look at pants, I love my clown/mc hammer pants lmao

[untold widget]

Ah yes. Psyker, who can evaporate rooms of enemies at a time, is the least powerful

[lethal lagoon]

Unironically worst class, don't play it. Ever.

Also jokes aside most pub psykers make me cry

[untold widget]

Most pub psykers are vets on vacation

[mighty olive]

but peg!!!!

[vast yew]

If you value your sanity NEVER inspect their loadouts

[viscid matrix]

It hurts me to look at them

[vast yew]

You’ll see stuff like Surge/Transfer on Trauma

[lethal lagoon]

Wait fuck, that's amazing, when was that?

[vast yew]

I ran into a Psyker with 400 extra levels running Nexus + Rending Shockwave on Trauma today

[mighty olive]

meehh i forgot, maybe got them like 2 months ago?

yarrrr!

[vast yew]

Nah wasn’t two months cuz that was patch 13

[mighty olive]

was it? O_o hmm

i shall do the google

[lethal lagoon]

I came back for patch 13, so If it was before I definitely missed it.

[untold widget]

In other news, this is unironically the highest rated weapon I own on my alt Psyker

[lethal lagoon]

I quit around may I think or something.

[hasty breach]

hm so smite cant crit at all huh

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[untold widget]

would if I could my man, I don't even like gunker

[mighty olive]

posted 7mo ago on reddit XD

so uhh time is apparently flying but not in my head, apologies siblings XD

[lethal lagoon]

I did a smite-only run on my alt psyker cause I didn't have any gear yet and I wondered how bad it would be. My only question is now, how are smite spam psykers so bad that they end up with only 200k dps? There's no skill.... right?

Smite criting would be some crazy dps

[vast yew]

Did you run shriek

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

But you can see the shriek damage

[frozen osprey]

understandable thank you for the advice sib

[vast yew]

And was that EP smite or WS smite?

[lethal lagoon]

I can't tell if you were joking, but I was 100% joking.

[frozen osprey]

i'm not dumb dw lmao

[untold widget]

This is promising so far

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite.

[vast yew]

Okay yeah that’s why Shriek was lower

Smite + Shriek spam works

But the quickplay Psykers you see spamming it? They’re running Dome

[lethal lagoon]

Does it though? I've seen other psykers run it and it always feels like we are playing man down with their no damage.

[vast yew]

And WS

[lethal lagoon]

Now I have to wonder what they are doing wrong.

[vast yew]

EP more than doubles Smite’s damage

+125% is a hell of a boost

So if you don’t run EP and you aren’t a WS shriek spam build using Smite to build perils, your damage drops like a rock

[hasty breach]

smite doesnt do damage. it's a utility tool.

it's like dome. you use it to increase efficiency of killing scary targets like crushres and rager packs

[lethal lagoon]

Except.... it doesn't do that all that well. The inconcsitent stunning, the moving heads, etc.

[untold widget]

24k staggers, i'd say so

[lethal lagoon]

Plus it keeps enemies spread

Effecting various cleave damages

[hasty breach]

legit it can stun like infinite specials and elites

[frozen osprey]

i absolutely beg to differ it's an amazing secondary for dealing with hordes of walkers

[hasty breach]

that clearly has a use case

[vast yew]

It keeps them from whacking you which lets people use special attacks to thin out Ragers/Maulers/Crushers

[hasty breach]

it also makes things like objectives safer

[hasty breach]

just use a staff on them though

[lethal lagoon]

That can be one of the worst things, because it spreads out horde

Makes it harder for others to clean it up during events

[frozen osprey]

i use surge so i cant deal with all of them at once

without a lot of backtracking

[hasty breach]

use a sword

[frozen osprey]

no

[lethal lagoon]

I'm guessing half the reason I had such higher damage than my team is because I made it harder for them to kill things.

[frozen osprey]

why would i purposely put myself into range of tick damage

[lethal lagoon]

A Smite-only meme run was an interesting experience, really showcased the flaws of the ability to me.

[vast yew]

A lot of your damage caused their damage to go into overkill or let them one-tap things they’d normally need to two-tap

[lethal lagoon]

Which from one perspective is wasted time for both of us.

[vast yew]

Can be. Least it stuns everything, so it’s safe. But it can make the run take longer if not played well.

IMO EP smite works but is very restrictive with what builds it works on

Because 3/4 of the staves have better horde clear built in

And on the 4th (Surge) or Gunker builds it competes heavily with Assail

But the reason you see such high damage compared to PUG Psykers who spam it is because you built your character using more than 2 brain cells

You know the types, all they do is Smite + Dome all mission

[lethal lagoon]

But this was a regular t5 hi int. Cause I felt bad doing a meme run in auric. We are talking 500k versus a 200k in an auric mael, where Smite shines.

[vast yew]

“I’m support”

[brazen warren]

smite for flexibility and utility, otherwise gun and sword to kill stuff

[vast yew]

I mean in Auric Mael teammates probably have better builds so they don’t let Smite take 20 seconds to kill things

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, yeah, I get that. I'm more discussing why every single smite spammer I've seen is terrible.

[vast yew]

They probably don’t have EP

[lethal lagoon]

Uhh, Ep smite flaming shriek kills shotgunner hordes pretty fast though, among other things.

Yeah

I guess

I don't think it'd be that different without EP, when you are doing smite-only as a meme, kind of hard to always have EP stacks.

[vast yew]

They running that Warp Siphon to get dome back faster

[lethal lagoon]

The push to extend your smite cast is kind of the big part

[vast yew]

Well if you take your 500k damage and remove the 125% boost from EP…

[lethal lagoon]

Don't underestimate the peril gen and cooldown reduc from warp charges though

And the bit of base damage doesn't hurt, esp as it's base damage.

[vast yew]

You get about 222k

[lethal lagoon]

I guess I have to do another smite-only meme run 😫

With warp now

[vast yew]

The “base damage” boost I’m pretty sure stacks additively with other damage boosts

[lethal lagoon]

I thought the point was that it didn't?

[vast yew]

With Fatshark it’s always hard to tell

[lethal lagoon]

By why specifically say "base"?

[vast yew]

AFAIK the only thing that changes actual base damage is the damage stat on the weapon but I could be wrong

[lethal lagoon]

Do you know what shame is, when you have to smite a singular random mob because you can't use any other weapon 🥲

[hasty breach]

i want a fun build that uses the stun shield and not the dome. is there any point?

[lethal lagoon]

BB goes well with 2 charges of stun shield

[vast yew]

Bullying Muties

[lethal lagoon]

Cause you can get a longer bB buff

[hasty breach]

good point

[vast yew]

Requires good positioning to get the shield set up to block ranged fire correctly though

If the angle is off it’s useless

[hasty breach]

well im clearly a god so no worries there

[vast yew]

[hasty breach]

🤓

i wanna use all the thingssss

[hasty breach]

warp charges or empowered psionics do you think?

[lethal lagoon]

BB feels kind of bad with and without EP

It's why I don't like running it. You get punished if you use EP on non-oneshottable elites and it discourages you from clearing ranged mobs

But at the same time, using it without EP feels super meh.

[quasi grotto]

Yeah bb without ep comes out so slow

[wicked hornet]

what is consider the strongets staff ?

[urban sandal]

probably voidstrike overall

trauma renders you almost immune to melee enemies bar bosses though

[lethal lagoon]

Surge requires no brainpower, so you can use your brainpower on situational awareness.

[wicked hornet]

how is this?

[urban sandal]

terrifying barrage to surge and stamina perk to flak or maniac and that's a good staff

[wicked hornet]

so is Flak or maniac a preference?

[urban sandal]

yeah

whichever enemies you have more trouble with or just want out of the way quicker

[wicked hornet]

any build guide you recommend with voidstrike ?

[urban sandal]

I've never played a voidstrike build, just know what blessings and perks to put on one, so you're better off looking at a build on gameslantern or asking someone else in here, sorry

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds?sort=relevant&ranged=4f6803a1-ae90-4894-8be1-ee8ab0f1f8fa

[lethal lagoon]

Oh god.

The top voidstrike build doesn't even have true aim

Please don't get information from there.

Just ask what you need help with in here

You can screenshot your build or make a build on that site and link it here.

We'll help

[mighty cipher]

There is only one build that you should ever pull off of gameslantern. Let me go find it

[untold widget]

The plot thickens

Inb4 Bloodthirsty 4 on Orange

[frozen osprey]

there are several in the files, actually. all unused, of course.

[mighty cipher]

Found it.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9acba373-8bf4-4471-b5a0-332e0992e9d5/professional-detriment

[lethal lagoon]

Here's a pretty standard voidstrike build

You can also swap PC for warp battery, or Flaming Shriek for Bubble Boi

[bleak tulip]

the problem with games lantern build thing is that most people who make builds aren't the people who actually play the game a lot, they just use it to show the talent tree then don't save it

[untold widget]

Heres a non-standard voidstrike build

[wicked hornet]

Thank you

[lethal lagoon]

If you are struggling keeping your toughness up, you can use the bubble instead of the shriek.

[bleak tulip]

warp exp kinda stinky tbh

[untold widget]

sure, but I don't have another place for that talent point

i could drop WE and quietude for malefic momentum

[bleak tulip]

go to quell speed anyway lmao

don't need it but it's comfy for salvaging pubs who get run at by ragers

[untold widget]

Ragers don't exist for longer than a second or two

DD loves them

[mighty cipher]

Here’s an even less standard version of a voidstrike build

[untold widget]

oh no

why take dodge over EE?

[bleak tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-face-cat-meme-cat-puke-cat-vomit-cat-coughing-meme-gif-22332765

[mighty cipher]

Good question

[wicked hornet]

I will have to play around with it

[bleak tulip]

yeah that's pretty atypical all right

[mighty cipher]

I thought I put a skill point in the wrong spot

[untold widget]

and no perfect timing?

I'm sad

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[bleak tulip]

no nettle no perfect timing

fake gamer

[untold widget]

I felt pretty unstoppable with this build, that I just ran with

[mighty olive]

yeeee i'm excited, ty <3333

[frozen osprey]

dont get excited they've been sitting there for about a year now

[mighty olive]

but but that means soon TM!

[frozen osprey]

sure!

[bleak tulip]

it's fine guys the 2H comes out soon

[lethal lagoon]

2H is literally coming the next patch

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[frozen osprey]

[brittle condor]

Has anyone finished warp battery penance? Can't seem to make it happen

/what build

[bleak tulip]

pick a higher difficulty is the only tip I have

[frozen osprey]

thats one maintain warp charges for 60s one right?

[quasi grotto]

Just did it yesterday yeah! Went with an assail + revolver build

[brittle condor]

True. I'm using a lightning staff but been thinking of moving back to guns

300 seconds

[lethal lagoon]

Do an Auric t5

[brittle condor]

5 minutes!

[frozen osprey]

right right

all i can say is good luck lmfao

i did it back when u got warp charges for every brain burst it was piss easy

idk what it's like now

[quasi grotto]

Don't get the last talent that brings your stacks to 6, it just starts your timer later

[brittle condor]

It's scary

[bleak tulip]

ah so that's confirmation it works with 4? good

[lethal lagoon]

Do an Auric t4

[bleak tulip]

I did it like last year I couldn't tell you how that shit works now

[brittle condor]

Pretty.much kill elites

[bleak tulip]

well yeah

[brittle condor]

Make sure your team doesn't dawdle

[lethal lagoon]

I add a vote to revolver assail.

[quasi grotto]

Yup I did it with 4

[bleak tulip]

that's why I said raise difficulty

[lethal lagoon]

I recommend Magi(with the boss) map

The beginning area should last 5 minutes in a pub.

[quasi grotto]

I actually got it while helping a newer friend, so we were very much dawdling

[bleak tulip]

alternatively just run ahead on a map where you can do that and literally fight the AI director

that'll keep you at max stacks

[quasi grotto]

On the new warrens map, we took our sweet time and I was just picking off specials the whole time. Got the warp battery penance as we were in the stairwell to the first elevator

[wicked hornet]

wha tmelee is good with the voidstrike staff?

[brittle condor]

Thank you for suggestions. I'm going try the revolver

[bleak tulip]

ds4

[lethal lagoon]

Don't really need melee that often on void. So ds4 for mutants and for movement tech is pretty perfect.

[fresh reef]

Shout out to rending trauma for being fucking fantastic

I forgot how much I love this thing

[south gull]

Surge staff is too fun

epecially when you need a break from trauma

[wicked hornet]

well did a damnation with the voidstrike. it went okay. just spammed the the left click when I was surrounded and charged with the right click on elites and specialist. Felt good

[half iron]

i live for plasteel. protocol? plasteel. my beloved? plasteel. what do i quail? not having plasteel.

[wicked hornet]

I usually like combat knife for the movement to rotate or get to downed team mates but it didn't feel as good with the voidstrike as it did with the purg staff. Why I asked about a melee bc I felt a stronger melee for hord clear would be better.

first time using the voidstrike staff

[half iron]

i used knife on psyker for the first time. felt nice. wasn’t zealot, probably shouldn’t have used it as much as i did, but i found it adorable

[quasi grotto]

Illisi feels great for horde clear imo. Spam lights and kill

[wicked hornet]

is this salvageable?

[wicked hornet]

I do have one but crap blessings lol

[lyric burrow]

yeah change shred to uncanny and either perk to maniac

[quasi grotto]

It's great with slaughterer but even without it should do a decent job mincing up chaff

[wicked hornet]

sorry for all the questions.

[mighty cipher]

Keep asking, I’m sure that we all like to help

[half iron]

i like my illisi
it touches bad guy and they turn into soup

[digital narwhal]

One of the reasons these channels even exists is for people to learn

Don't feel bad for asking

It's an opportunity for us to share knowledge and discuss opinions

[ornate hamlet]

I'm here to get

ANGY

at people who don't know all the game within 20 hours

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[proud frost]

pain and suffering

trying to get Slaughterer

at least t3

but t4 would be cash

and its just not rolling

also Surge

that too

[wicked hornet]

Thank you

[sacred dome]

Cannot get my psyker to work on diff 4+5
Any tip for brain burst / old school build ?
I really enjoyed the original psyker, and trying to build after that

[bleak tulip]

use BB less than you probably are

the rest of left side tree is fine

aura sucks but thats not that important

[quasi grotto]

I find brain burst difficult to use without enhanced psionics, so I'd go for that

[bleak tulip]

I mean itll still suck and you should not use it much, which is why I dont think runing EP is good but you do you

I'd rather just have overall damage than just damage for one thing you dont use as much as your main weapons

[gloomy magnet]

why do people recommend Flak instead of Carapace for guns

[bleak tulip]

because there is like one enemy where cara matters

and like 8 where flak does

[ornate hamlet]

Because carapace modifiers on most guns are very low

And the guns that deal well with carapace generally already do well without needing the perk

[gloomy magnet]

crusher is always the headache lol

[bleak tulip]

thats why you bring some weapon that can deal with crushers

or dont and hope your team does it for you but thats not really setting yourself up for success

[gloomy magnet]

roger

[bright mica]

because you'd be doing 25% extra damage with a gun that'd still take 4 mags and 30 seconds to kill a Crusher with

without Rending% most autoguns can't do crap against Crushers

Agri IAG is maybe an exception but still you'd be better off using a Deimos, CKnife, Mk4 DSword

hell even brainburst

[gloomy magnet]

It seems that I was wrong to use Columnus with Scrier to shoot crushers before🥹

[bleak tulip]

yeah thats where you use your knife or ds4

[bright mica]

Just a waste of ammo tbf is the main issue

the amount of ammo used to kill 1 crusher with a Columnus could last you through two dozen shotgunners

considering the Ds4 is a Crusher deleter you might as well use that if you're struggling with em

it's great on Gaze too

[thorn kestrel]

wenomechainsama

[midnight cove]

what do I do with this

[digital narwhal]

Both Perks to Flak + Carapace

[midnight cove]

aight

[glass prairie]

guys what should i do to this that melk gave me

well i got it when it was purple

[midnight cove]

havent played trauma staff like at all so will probably just give it a try

got a pretty lucky roll

whats my build supposed to look like? 🤔

[plucky flax]

@near wyvern I was begging for you to use hp booster on me at end event when I was on my last wound.

[potent echo]

Barrage to nexus, carapace to flak

[half iron]

maybe they were saving it for a future marty zealot

[plucky flax]

I shoul have played zealot. Vet is so boring.

[half iron]

vet is like if they made boredom boring

[potent echo]

Vet is as boring as purg staff is weak

[half iron]

vet fans when cadia falls

[bleak tulip]

cadian pebbles

[vapid lichen]

this is why i only play weapons specialist on vet

dclaw revo melee vet

[onyx sentinel]

okay so with +maniac and +flak perks, 9 stacks of soulblaze kills: trappers, bombers, both types of flamers, both types of gunners

I was never sure whenever I ran a fire trauma build, but that's actually pretty huge

[harsh urchin]

fire trauma is capped at 6 stacks afaik

[onyx sentinel]

the implication is that you only need 1 crit proc from trauma and vent for 3 + 6

[bleak tulip]

probably just faster to trauma twice

[onyx sentinel]

6 stacks can barely kill chafes, and I highly doubt at 35% crit you can crit twice in a timely manner, especially you're not trolling e.g. full charge your staff not spam it

9 stacks is double the damage of 6 stacks

[midnight cove]

man I am really not vibing with the trauma staff lmao

[harsh urchin]

it needs to be a high roll to be even playable

[harsh urchin]

and then even if it's a high roll, it still feels terrible if you're not used to it

[midnight cove]

I got a pretty decent one

[mint pivot]

I am really not vibing with my voidstrike but its like twice as effective as everything else i have COMBINED...

[midnight cove]

yeah

I didnt change anything on it cause I just wanted to try it out

but I don't think it's for me lmao

warp nexus especially fucks up my brain lol

[bleak tulip]

I know it's not linear, the point is more that shouting for every few gunners and hoping/checking they have enough stacks to kill isn't super time efficient vs just hitting them again or just left clicking once to finish one occasionally

[plucky flax]

True blaze trauma is so bad.

Pls buff.

1 million damage on blaze trauma are fake.

[onyx sentinel]

I'm only saying that 9 stacks can kill specials and gunners, this is considering the fuck-off huge outer radius of trauma + 30m of shriek. You're not supposed to stop staffing everything in front of you. Practically, at maelstrom you almost always have 4-6 stacks of warp siphon anyway so it's better to spam it since you'd have it back within ~20 seconds anyway.

[strong gulch]

Buff blazes trauma and give us red weapons.

[bleak tulip]

gimme my 2H

[dim parrot]

buff psykers in general so we can be gods

[plucky flax]

[sudden trellis]

we are tho

[dim parrot]

not yet sadly, we are still too fragile

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-good-morning-reverse-gif-18547073

[sudden trellis]

i mean, anything short of outright death does fuck-all, with all the toughness restoring talents we got

[bleak tulip]

[plucky flax]

Just get a near perfect blaze trauma like mine and it becomes semi-decent.

[glossy ember]

just play surge scrier you'll feel like Icarus

[onyx sentinel]

nah I get it, 80% damage trauma with maniac/flak perk can kill both types of ragers in two charges, it's broken. Was just trying to say that 9 stacks can guarantee killing a room of distant gunners

[bleak tulip]

you're right they should buff vent to 9 stacks

[plucky flax]

I prefer crit chance and flak.

More crit more blaze.

[onyx sentinel]

i was of that opinion until I found out psykers have 7.5% natural crit anyway

balanced

[bleak tulip]

why not more tho

maniac on trauma doesn't feel like "it" to me either

[onyx sentinel]

it allows you to one shot bombers and trappers with no warp siphon charges

so people can stop trying to run EP brain burst on trauma

[bleak tulip]

which as you correctly stated, should be very rare

[sudden trellis]

I love my rinky dinky trauma stick. I run charge speed/peril to crit blessings with carapace/crit chance

[strong gulch]

Been trying for weeks to get a better fire trauma. All get bricked. To be fair, I am looking for "perfect". I'll get it one day.

[plucky flax]

Bomber is already 1 shot since it's flak.

For trapper it's easy to 1 shot with some warp charges and high peril.

Otherwise just spam left click at trapper while it runs toward you in a straight line.

[bleak tulip]

flamer knock over and left click should work, or just half charge a right click epi on em

[summer prairie]

flamer, bomber and trapper are all usually lmb targets

[onyx sentinel]

you're right, but then idk if 9 stacks can kill either flamer types without though, never tested

[onyx sentinel]

the point is that there's little opportunity cost of not taking crit over maniac because the difference between 37.5% and 32.5% isn't huge, imo

in exchange, you get better breakpoints

[plucky flax]

Flamer and trapper are very low threat when using trauma for me. Can easy left click them at long range, at close range they have low stagger resist so any right click charge will topple them.

[onyx sentinel]

ditto

[strong gulch]

This is the first time that I fired up the game since the hot fix. Were stagger values or windows changed?? I am not able to stagger crushers and reapers as consistently as before with trauma or DS special to the head.

[potent echo]

Rending shockwaves apply to all enemies hit like blaze, which actually makes you get breakpoints on shotgunners and gunners (difficult)

[plucky flax]

Imagine playing the bad trauma build.

[onyx sentinel]

that's irrelevant, you need more than one full charge whether you use rending or not

unless I misunderstood how rending works lmao

[potent echo]

Rending shockwaves actually give brittleness stacks

And you can one shot shotgunners if you hit them with the rending

Before a full charge

In practice it just means any full charge trauma will kill shotgunners after the first one

[sterile hatch]

Hey guys are there any Blessings generally regarded as must have when running Purgatus Force Staff?

[potent echo]

It's like invisible fire

[potent echo]

Nexus flurry

[dim parrot]

SIBLINGS totally forgot to tell u, I finally got uncanny strike 4 for my illisi

[plucky flax]

Interesting blessing for illisi.

[potent echo]

I have never used an uncanny illisi

Do you fight maulers and crushers with it

[plucky flax]

You can fight maulers without uncanny.

Special and hit body.

[strong gulch]

Makes fighting them easier for me personally

[vestal fulcrum]

Even if it doesn’t do a whole lot with ADMs of Illisi, it still allows you to get some value from overflow of rending

[potent echo]

Does the special even cleave more than one

[vestal fulcrum]

Specials have 10.5 cleave, either Heavy or Light

Heavy has better damage cleave obviously

Light

[potent echo]

How heavy are maulers again

[vestal fulcrum]

heavy

[vestal fulcrum]

They have 3k HP

[potent echo]

I meant mass

[vestal fulcrum]

Uhhh