psyker-class

[midnight cove]

I think it might be cool just to mix things up

I'm not much of gun player in general though

Very melee brain

[snow coral]

been running that with a columnus the last couple days and it slaps so hard

I was running revolver for a while but this is way more fun

I do miss my dome though

but last night on damnation i hit scriers and mag dumped into a spawn and killed it in two magazines

my team helped but I did the majority of the damage

it's probably the closest we can get to the zealot hammer bash thing they do for insane dps

[midnight cove]

Missing out on dome is also gonna feel quite bad

That thing is crazy

[near wyvern]

Haymaker is unfortunately I underwhelming yeah

[digital narwhal]

On Knives

Haymaker slaps on Ogryn Clubs

[midnight cove]

Anyway considered gunker cause I feel my boss dmg is a bit shit and sometimes noone in pubs has boss dmg and it just drags forever lol

[plucky flax]

Just surge right click the monster.

[left dagger]

thats me with Damage stim

not sure if it does anything but im having fun

[midnight cove]

Lmao

Voidstrike/bb does servicable dmg tbh, especially when you can stunlock with void

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I had the same problem with SG/DD Gunker. If my team was bad I could carry them like a hyper-ogryn, but if my team was good I was usually last on damage and felt like I was being carried.

So now I've been messing around with Assail/Shriek/EP and having a blast

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, this is what I found too. When SG is up you can burst down basically anything, but when SG is on CD your damage can really fall off. It's very rollercoaster like, unlike other builds like purge or voidstrike where your damage is more consistently flowing

[wet belfry]

What ranged weapon are you running taeritimus?

with scriers?

[hot zephyr]

I tried a bunch of them. Tried Mark 3 HH IAG, Columnus IAG, Kantrel Mark 1, Agrippa Mark 1 IAG. My favourites were the Kantrel mk1 and Columnus.

[rich rose]

My gunker is setup for assail, scriers and Columnus

9 out of 10 I am leading

[glossy ember]

tbh shame on me for missing red stims (the ranged ogryn got two, the other two got one each) but still i thought i was doing good but then that scoreboard just slapped me

i guess i need more practice

[left dagger]

should i swap Maniac or Unyielding for Crit chance?

[lethal lagoon]

Swap unyielding for flak damage.

[glossy ember]

i'd say swap unyielding for flak. Maniacs still good since it'll let you reach 2rmb on dreg rager. Unyielding is nice but you won't have as many bulwarks reapers to kill as dreg ragers

[patent wing]

did they nerf smite

dogs and gunners start moving after beeing ccd for seconds

[wet belfry]

Ye i dont completely get it

I think they should be fine without scriers

[grand scroll]

They should upgrade the Venting Shriek's other talent upgrade.

[left dagger]

thanks Flak it is

[misty cypress]

anyone got a melee psyker build?

[hot zephyr]

Well that's the whole thing I've learned this week. You don't need SG to make gunker work. Certain guns like those are good enough on their own to just be a source of damage and it's up to you as psyker to manage all your resources to be the team's support. Peril, ammo, stamina, time are all your resources to manage, and having ways to use all of them seems to yield best results.

[vale nacelle]

What mod are you using to display warpfire damage? Is it part of the Scoreboard mod?

[tough trench]

is gun psyker a thing and is this a thing for that

[glossy ember]

ovenproof mod

[grand scroll]

Gun Psykers, from what I remember (may be outdated), primarily used automatic weapons with good crit damage.

[tough trench]

too bad he didnt offer that on my veteran

[grand scroll]

Or at least, guns that have good crit damage

[vale nacelle]

thank

[vast yew]

@glossy ember do you have that dreg rager clip for me

[glossy ember]

shit sorry bro i forgot

already went to bed

[vast yew]

[glossy ember]

surely, tomorrow....

[rocky osprey]

question siblings: Does Smite count as ranged damage?

[wet belfry]

Does it shoot out damage at ranged?

[digital narwhal]

Yes

Anything that isn't a direct melee hit is ranged damage.

[vast yew]

or a DoT

[digital narwhal]

Bleed, Burn, Soulblaze, Blitz Abilities, etc.

[vast yew]

wait really

[digital narwhal]

Yes

[vast yew]

huh

[digital narwhal]

DoT's count towards ranged

[vast yew]

fascinating

[digital narwhal]

It's why melee Ogryns can get such inflated ranged damage numbers

[rocky osprey]

sweet tyty. Was worried there's a weird disconnect considering some of the other vague descriptions of various talents lol

[glossy ember]

that explains lmao

[vale nacelle]

So I've heard/seen some conflicting information as to how this actually works.

My understanding is that I have to kill an enemy with either the damage of soulblaze itself, or by another source while it has soulblaze active. I've seen elsewhere that allies can kill enemies with soulblaze active on them and it'll still grand a warp charge.

Any big brains able to help a noob gain better understanding? Can it be better than Psychic Vampire for blaze trauma?

[echo frigate]

My understanding is that stuff needs to die to any soulblaze DOT

AND usually you should not run that perk unless you are using the purg staff

But blaze tramua does output around the same amount of fire sooooo

this is an @near wyvern question bc it comes down to very specific numbers

[digital narwhal]

That's not the case

In Fire Reborn is great even with just Creeping Flames

[echo frigate]

Or at least that's how it used to be

What I said

[strong gulch]

Gun psyker is a thing. I like that revolver, though I like the older one more. The new revolver (the one in the pic), is better at quickly firing a bunch of rounds and reloads faster; so, imo, it works better with scrier's gaze vs the old revolver.

Your blessing are good and stat distribution is decent (rec blessings are hand cannon + sustained fire). Just change the perks. The recommended perks are flak / unarmored / maniac.

[vestal fulcrum]

The behaviour is this:
‘Grants a 10% chance to gain a warp charge when an enemy who is currently affected by Psyker's Soulblaze is killed, either by Soulblaze, by Psyker, or by an ally.’

[shy crag]

Riposte or Shred for the Dueling Sword? opinions? For Riposte it says "successful dodge" which I think is a bit finnicky.. ? doesn't always proc? hard to tell anyway, maybe Shred would be more consistent?

[echo frigate]

I might get stones thrown at me for this but I like shred more

[digital narwhal]

Uncanny Strike + Precognition is better for Duelling Swords tbh

but if I had to pick one

then Riposte

[vale nacelle]

Thank. 🙏

[shy crag]

but then if I'm blocking all the time in and out then Shred wouldn't proc either so... kinda damned if you do kinda thing

[echo frigate]

A successful dodge is hard to pull off by the game standards

[digital narwhal]

Not really tbh

[echo frigate]

Referring how it counts dodges for achievements and the other quest thingies

[echo frigate]

I mean they just count weird

[shy crag]

i definitely feel ya there

[strong gulch]

Shred is easy to stack up and maintain without compromising your position but takes more time to stack up than riposte.

Riposte gets you the same crit chance as shred right away, but it requires dodges which can be compromising. There is a potential interaction between melee riposte buff also applying to ranged. It's what I've seen in the meat grinder, but further testing is needed. Even if it does, it's fiddly to set up.

[echo frigate]

Bc knowing FS they coded everything to be the same making dodges hard to count

[strong gulch]

You have to actually make a dodge, not just move out of the way.

[shy crag]

I'm dodging all the time but i get the feeling a "successful" dodge only counts if you dodge at a very particular time in the attack animation

[strong gulch]

Yup

[echo frigate]

It is

Look at dodge penances lol

[brazen rampart]

pulled a transcendent combat axe, wonder what the roll is

43% damage

💀

[quasi junco]

im rich !

honestly havent crafted anything in like 2 weeks

[shy crag]

i dunno how so many people stockpile that much gold, im constantly buying decent stat weapons from the shop across my characters, or rerolling weekly melk missions for gold as well, both activities always eat into my gold pretty heavily, rarely have more than 200k on me.

[quasi junco]

i'm content with most of my weapons, and I really only play psyker, zealot maybe 10%

[untold widget]

I've finally got my Sniper disguise cosmetics locked in, and now can start hoarding gold like Smaug

although my second psyker could use some gear tbh

[orchid shadow]

I'm amazed you've found stuff from the Milk man worth buying. He hasn't had anything decent for me in probably the last 6 months.

[gusty furnace]

literally only good for blessings

[quasi junco]

hey I love all the 450 rated orange gear, literally BIS

[untold widget]

😦

[echo frigate]

Not a total brick

[untold widget]

enlighten me

[echo frigate]

Warp nexus to smth and infested to whatever gets you over a break point

True aim makes ranged crit damage good

[untold widget]

but then I"m stuck with blazing spirit on a staff that one shots things

when it crits

and infested damage

which is like.. poxwalkers, bursters, and dogs?

[echo frigate]

Sort of but not really, regardless tho the fire can spread and/or finish off stuff bc of blast radius

[echo frigate]

Yeah

Either maniac or flak are good starting points

But test stuff first and see how far off you are of a one shot

[untold widget]

yeah, I'll probably still pass on this staff tbh

the only thing wrong with the one this character has is low charge rate and I can work around that

[echo frigate]

I mean it depends if this is life or death for you

[untold widget]

current

[echo frigate]

If it's like damn Hadron screwed me for the billionth time then

[echo frigate]

Ah yeah

You are just rolling stuff and getting depressed

[untold widget]

I mean, ideally I'd have this same staff but with lower quell speed and higher charge rate

but c'est la vie

[echo frigate]

Is that like French for it is what it is

[untold widget]

yeah, life goes on iirc

[echo frigate]

Hope springs eternal

[static needle]

Invest, right? 👀

[untold widget]

not 80 blast, discard

with prejudice, sibling

[static needle]

ok but real talk

this can work maybe for gunpsyker?

big pp dmg, right?

[compact bluff]

recon lasguns kinda really suck for gun psyker
they have bad damage and horrible finesse scaling, and psyker scales mainly finesse damage

[ornate hamlet]

I just got bloodthirsty
Should I replace Shred?

[static needle]

heresy, my roll is god so i will be delusional whether u like it or not

[compact bluff]

if you're using any recon lasgun though the mk7 is the good one, and thats an okay roll for one

[static needle]

but like wtf, that much critting so often isnt on par with laspistol dmg??

@compact bluff

[hot zephyr]

You can definitely make this work, but you'll need to go a weird build. You don't want a crit build here. You want to use gaze and warp siphon and only use gaze as the "oh crap button" and stack all the +base damage talents like warp rider and warp battery.

[static needle]

the way those perks look it seems like that illisi would be better suited for single target damage. Like, executor or something

[static needle]

what? why not DD?

[hot zephyr]

Recon las is best at horde clearance, so you need to also pair with a melee weapon that can deal with heavier targets. A long time ago before talent trees I ran recon las with brain burst and a deflector force sword and it worked really well as a combo.

[static needle]

how is it so good at only hordes when i can get hella crit dmg??

explain pls

or not hella crit damage

but crit very often

which is very nice for mettle, perfect timing, emphatic evasion, DD and so on

[hot epoch]

is that a custom skin?

[ornate hamlet]

it's in the store

[hot epoch]

Rn?

[ornate hamlet]

it made me giddy

had to buy it

ye

[hot epoch]

Ive been waiting for a good force sword skin

[static needle]

weapon customization mod

[hot epoch]

Im not modding

[static needle]

yes you are

[hot epoch]

No

[static needle]

you will be 😉

[static needle]

when u realize how dope it is

[hot epoch]

I dont care

[ornate hamlet]

skins are for flexing on people

mods don't let you flex

smh

[hot epoch]

Im bareballing the game

free nuts

bare, shaved legs

[hot zephyr]

You crit a lot, but you burn ammo like crazy and your damage is highly dependant on having ammo and SG up in a DD build. Yes you do a ton of damage during your burst but if you start running low on ammo you become basically useless to your team

[compact bluff]

weakspot and crit damage is based off of finesse, a hidden value which you can only really kinda calculate by dividing the weakspot damage from the bodyshot damage
if you notice with the recon lasgun, the finesse is extremely low, meaning the bonus it gets from weakspots and crits is also extremely low (like, ~20% iirc)

compare this with the laspistol which has like around 150% finesse meaning its punching a Lot harder on weakspots and crits (also because boost curves and other jank but primarily finesse)

[static needle]

hence why I use assail 50% of the time

saves ammo big time

but if ammo werent an issue

or a smaller issue lets say

would it be worth running compared to laspistol

[compact bluff]

no, cuz recon lasgun has really bad finesse

[static needle]

hm

alr

sadge

which guns have good finesse

[hot epoch]

Finally, the sword drip is complete

[compact bluff]

for gun psyker you want weapons with big finesse (laspistol, headhunter autoguns, infantry autoguns, revolvers)
something with average finesse like the infantry lasguns are still usable and scale fairly alright,
the recon lasguns and autopistol have hideous finesse and suck for gun psyker

[static needle]

is the semi auto one good?

[compact bluff]

the semi auto headhunter autogun? its good yea

[trim valve]

What do you mean with big finesse?

[compact bluff]

all weapons have a finesse modifier which scales their weakspot and crit damage. the higher the better

[cursive yew]

What do you guys think our darktide psyker is on the psyker power scale?

[hot epoch]

Iota to Eta

not much higher

[lyric canopy]

Run it for crits with infernus and it’ll be fine

I like infernus and dumdum with it

[static needle]

dumdum and headhunter is better tho

crit is always king

[lyric canopy]

You apply that DOT so you still do damage during reload

Can usually get 2 magazines out before your gaze is up

Less time with the slow shooting one though

[trim valve]

When talking about "finesse scaling", are we just talking about the weakpoint damage you get from Disrupt Destiny?

[left dagger]

when should you use the empower wepaon for deimos sword? the vaccum gets you stuck on target for split second

[static needle]

is the 3 burst headhunter rifle good?

[brazen rampart]

hmmmm

[lyric canopy]

I have never once used it tbh

[static needle]

30% toughness is nice

thats a good roll dare i say

[brazen rampart]

I was thinking more on hand cannon t3

[lyric canopy]

I do it on mutants, maulers, and crushers usually

Sometimes zerks

[brazen rampart]

I got this from consecrating a profane one

[static needle]

replace that with 4 and ur good

and switch infested to something better

[brazen rampart]

was thinking carapace over that tbh

I can kill flak stuff in 1 shot, except for ragers

[gray jetty]

I actually don't touch it unless I'm literally alone against a crusher

[brazen rampart]

figured carapace damage would let me kill maulers and crushers easier

[gray jetty]

Gloryhunter to surgical, infested to carapace

[brazen rampart]

I also don't have t4 hand cannon

don't have surgical either

I am poor in terms of blessings

[gray jetty]

Point blank

Crucian

Either also work

Then when you do get surgical you can slap it on

[brazen rampart]

the one t3 blessing I have is crucian roulette

[gray jetty]

Then go for it

Scriers should give you a workable crit rate

[brazen rampart]

hmmm

I'll consider it after I play with glory hunter for a little

[gray jetty]

You do not need glory hunter

[static needle]

is the 3-shot burst headhunter rifle good?

[gray jetty]

I will tell you this right now

Psyker has plenty in toughness regen

You want crit for consistent handcannon procs

[brazen rampart]

ik

one assail dart gives me like 40% back

[gray jetty]

Both vraks are good, the 3 doesn't require nearly as many headshots

[brazen rampart]

maulers take the whole cylinder to bring down

might be able to use less bullets if I crit more

I'll take glory off and use crucian until I get that surgical thing then

[hot zephyr]

Mk 3 is great, Mark 9 is kinda bad cus recoil is very strong.

[gray jetty]

Handcannon their head

2-3 shots maximum

[brazen rampart]

I did

[trim valve]

Don't you guys struggle using the Headhunters with the Psyker? Dreg Ragers are a huge problem and Carapace armor is a no go.

[brazen rampart]

damnation took the whole cylinder with 1 crit

2 crits is 4 bullets

1 crit is all 5

with crucian it seems like I'm unable to not crit tho

[gray jetty]

Dueling or deimos

[brazen rampart]

so at least it's a definite kill if I have a full cylinder

[frozen fiber]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1053823148048527440

[trim valve]

But I tend to really dislike going melee against multiple ragers.

[brazen rampart]

the only time I touch a headhunter is when using veteran or zealout, and there are definitely better options for both classes

[trim valve]

Idk headhunters specially after the ragers buff and the infantry guns buff feel awful, and that is IF you are always nailing headshots. The moment you don't for example, killing a Gunner can take 3x times+ more rounds.

[static needle]

Is the new revolver good for gunpsyker?

[brazen rampart]

I would say no

if youre running assail or smite for cc, you want a long range precision weapon to pop specials, if you're running bb, you have better options for a gun for cc

that being said it is excellent at demolishing ragers, maulers, and crushers from my experience with it

[gray jetty]

Pop scriers into anything

They die

[static needle]

lul

[brazen rampart]

or that, too

if you like using scriers

[gray jetty]

Big fan of new revolver

Big fan of scriers and dd

[brazen rampart]

I aint

I dont like scriers

feels a bit useless to me

[left dagger]

oomauler and crusehrs thanks

[left dagger]

or also dangerous since you get stuck int hat animation

[cursive yew]

So is the psi collar the reason the psyker doesn't get corrupted and taken over by chaos and causes the explosion?

[west stream]

not really

Psi collars are built to prevent perils of warp to begin with

[static needle]

Why do i want a warp siphon build tho

[cursive yew]

Hmm

[west stream]

but it's not a guaranteed thing

it's the equivalent of a flak vest for your mind

[cursive yew]

So why does the psyker explode instead of being corrupted?

[west stream]

mostly there so blast of psychic energies in a battle doesn't kill users

[gray jetty]

Gameplay reasons

Perils summoning another daemon would be aids

[west stream]

also that corruption is not really a guaranteed thing

[cursive yew]

Mmmh, gotcha

[west stream]

corruption has much more to do with very specifically powerful daemons and untrained psykers

[gray jetty]

You want sorta accurate perils of the warp? Rogue trader has that

[cursive yew]

I have rogue trader it's been fun

[west stream]

trained psykers can reasonably avoid posession, though our guys dont even have the connection to big E

[gray jetty]

Really does capture 40k

[west stream]

so wonder what lore is fo that

[gray jetty]

Be nice and suffer the consequences

Or be a dickhead to prevent more deaths

Or be a dickhead for chaos

[cursive yew]

Thanks boys

[west stream]

in theory the real solution for posession are the daggers in some of the outfits

[potent echo]

I summoned two warp entities within a single turn and the psyker died immediately after

[gray jetty]

Just off yourself before you get possessed

[cursive yew]

Tbh I thought the collar was just filled with explosives and would detonate if there's possession hence the explosion lolol

[gray jetty]

Idira with the innate 5% perils of the warp

What being unsanctioned does to a mfer

[west stream]

nah, the collars act as regulators and dampen powers of the psyker

[cursive yew]

So what you're saying is, I should remove my collar, got it!

[west stream]

pretty sure they're same thing primaris psykers wear

Due to the constant risks of daemonic possession, a Primaris Psyker's wargear also includes several fail-safes. Complete micro-circuitry and neuro-active wiring are connected to the psychically attuned crystals embedded in the psyker's hood or collar, designed to bleed away excess Warp energy. These, coupled with cranial surgeries undergone by the psyker to implant neural inhibitors (which tend to blunt the psyker's innate power as well), and a lifetime of training, give the psyker a reasonable chance at avoiding powerful psychic enemies and resisting daemonic influences.```

[hasty breach]

so which dueling sword is the noob trap and which is the better one, 4 or 5?

or 2i guess

[west stream]

MkIV is gud

[potent echo]

4 has the most damage

[gray jetty]

4 is the best

[hasty breach]

figures. thanks!

[potent echo]

5 has the best mobility

2 has ...

[hasty breach]

itself!

[rotund dagger]

what class are darktide psykers?

[potent echo]

Probably just regular sanctioned psykers

Their dialogue usually talks about them doing training, and probably they had some formal education on how to use fancy duelling swords

[brazen rampart]

my brother was telling me they're class D psykers

sefonia is B or A

his words, not mine

[trim valve]

Isn't that still quite powerful? If we put all 4 characters on a scale, we would have the Psyker way ahead of everyone else and on second place the Ogryn.

[west stream]

Iota to eta likely

lacking connectiong to big E which would make em stronger

[queen fog]

i mean when the other 2 examples are basically just "regular human But X and Y" of course psykers and ogryns gonna be up there scaling wise

[trim valve]

But I mean WAY off scale, like we would dozens of regular humans soldiers to even have a decent point of comparison.

[west stream]

Psykers are able to detect the other hive pretty far away and read minds of trained inquisition personnel

[queen fog]

Ya, they're psykers

[west stream]

as well as having prophetic dreams in some cases

[queen fog]

the only type of humans that are more sensitive to the chaotic space that is the warp

if that shit didnt have godly powers i'd just bolter pistol myself if i found out i was one

[west stream]

but we're not destroying entire platoons with our mind unassisted

so mid level

[potent echo]

Uh

[trim valve]

Hmm

[potent echo]

But then all darktide operatives can do that

[queen fog]

without staves n junk

[west stream]

Our psykers use staves and hoods to handle the energies

[queen fog]

^

[long wharf]

we use the power of Being A Main Character

[queen fog]

thats why psyker drip has all those tubes n such

[long wharf]

aka Plot Power

[west stream]

A strong enough psyker could just melt a horde with a thought

though they'd also be quite insane

usually being strong is tied to insanity, but there's all sorts

[trim valve]

Well we do need to filter fluf with the gameplay lense, if people complained Assail was busted imagine the Psyker working at full power.

[potent echo]

A true incomparable mind

[west stream]

I mean, ultimately the rejects are very skilled at their respective roles

The zealot manifests miracles, which most munitorum priests certainly can not do

[digital narwhal]

Creeping Flames moment

[west stream]

ogryn is ogryn, no explanation needed

and the veteran seems to have fought all sorts, in the case of Cadian having survived the siege already puts you in top percent of what guard can deliver

[potent echo]

Or the fastest runner

Move speed aura vet

[west stream]

there's also the Beloved personality, which tbh, having a direct line to a fragment of emperor's soul and knowing what's going on in the other end of the galaxy is hard to place

by the logic of strong psykers being often insane, guy has to be strong af

[real merlin]

voidstrike is my favorite. Is it bad at highest difficulties or something?

[harsh urchin]

it's really strong but you need a certain blessing combo for it to basically one-shot everything

and that guy is unhappy because he is unlucky and has not been able to farm that

[slim raptor]

Isn't voidstrike arguably the best stave?

[trim valve]

I would say it depends how you build your voidstrike and if you know how to use it correctly.

[tall temple]

what combo is that

[harsh urchin]

surge nexus

[slim raptor]

Isn't flurry also really good on it?

[harsh urchin]

flurry with transfer is good yeah

but you dont really one-shot stuff with it

gotta hit 'em a few times

[slim raptor]

What a weird mk IV sword

[hollow pine]

what isthe best personality for the female psyer

[static needle]

Does scriers get more damage from having more warp charges?

[wide maple]

HELL YEAH

[potent echo]

Surgondese

[covert ermine]

Loner

[trim valve]

How did you got it?

[potent echo]

Uh technically no because using scriers dumps all your wc

[wide maple]

buying staffs from brunt and upgrading to blue tier

[potent echo]

Also it doesn't reduce the cooldown

[olive ember]

roll voidstrikes to gold, pray to the rng gods

[trim valve]

Nice, I also got mine doing that.

[olive ember]

also make sure you roll staves that are 360 rating +

[trim valve]

No no no

[wide maple]

weird, i got it rolling on one that was 311

[olive ember]

you got real lucky then

[trim valve]

I got mine on a 310

No no no no, that's a terrible myth.

[olive ember]

tho tbh nothing is concrete but rating 360's will generally give you t4's

[trim valve]

No

If you want higher chances of Tier IV you can go orange, higher BR does not mean higher chance of Tier IV.

[olive ember]

it does?

[trim valve]

Where are you getting this information from? I swear I seen people say this "you gotta roll 360+ for higher chances" but there is no info to back it up.

[olive ember]

its literally the reason why no one rolls until lvl 30 because sub 300 rating weapons give you basically only t2 blessings

[trim valve]

Sure, past 300 is WAY different than rolling past 360

[potent echo]

If you roll 100s you get level 1-2 blessings

So by extension that means rolling 360+ has better odds 🤷‍♂️

[trim valve]

Ahh, I see why people are making that weird guess then.

[potent echo]

Doesn't really make sense for it to stop scaling at any point

[trim valve]

The whole gatcha system does not make much sense.

[prime elk]

It’s Fatshart, it doesn’t have to make sense

They don’t check their own math

[potent echo]

But yet it exists

[prime elk]

What exists?

[olive ember]

theres no information to prove or disprove because everything is server side but multiple corroborations say higher rating means higher tier blessings. Most people say 360, some say 350, I honestly only upgrade 360-370+ weapons anyways because I'm at the point where I'm just rolling for min max

[prime elk]

Yeah who knows

Unless someone gets access to the relevant code

Or tests with an adequately large sample size

[real merlin]

haha I'm also curious about which combo is required

[olive ember]

Surge

thats about it

[trim valve]

If you want to waste "gold" and discard every single weapon under 360+ BR to get tier IV blessings go for it, but if you want to be efficient just buy weapons with 310 BR if you want to be safe and make them blue.

[prime elk]

At this point I just wait patiently for milk

Sir milk never fails

[olive ember]

rolling blue is also kinda meh, most people have better luck getting t4's if they roll to gold

tho again no concrete evidence because fatshark

Either way once you get past a certain point you are basically just rolling for min max anyways

[olive ember]

Surge + warp nexus, tho the only thing thats making it one shot is surge, warp nexus is just to boost the crit chance

[eager mantle]

Brunt is trying to kill me

[olive ember]

rip blast radius

[trim valve]

Go for it

It's the add extra difficult to the mission staff.

[trim valve]

WarpNexus IV, not bad.

[olive ember]

btw @near wyvern I was reading the guide and I was wondering if you've explored Blazing Spirit + Rending Shockwave Trauma with Scrier's gaze? The idea being you get both armor strip normally, and if you need consistent fire you proc scrier's for the 20% extra crit. Tho I'm unsure of its effectiveness because you are giving up creeping flame shriek and wildfire (lol) by going down the right side for crit aura and scriers.

[trim valve]

A terrific cursed weapon, congratz.

[inland ginkgo]

Does Quietude work on the amount of peril Quelled by Battle Meditation?

[digital narwhal]

[digital narwhal]

Quietude works with every method of Quelling

If your Peril is reduced, then Quietude takes effect

[trim valve]

How does sustained fire work with the Trauma staff?

[digital narwhal]

M1s

[trim valve]

Does it really work? Or is one of those funny broken blessings Trauma staff has?

[digital narwhal]

It works for M1

Not for the M2 (the AOE)

[static needle]

Is flak damage on deimos important for breakpoints?

[south gull]

I love when fellow vets forget that their pupose is too shoot specials

[inland ginkgo]

Oh ok, thank you! I didn't expect the two to synergize!

[cloud heron]

most of my hits with the deimos are charged hits and it will one shot a flak rager without it

[static needle]

i intend to use stabby stabby method

[digital narwhal]

Pre-13 Mindset lmao

[static needle]

thats superior for dps

[digital narwhal]

Their purpose isn't to "shoot specials", it's for whatever they spec into.
Everyone should target specials.

[cloud heron]

you don't want the illisi for that?

[static needle]

?

[orchid nest]

he means that heavy 2 on deimos does more dps than the charged attacks

[static needle]

well... run flak or cara or unyielding?

my main weapon is laspistol

a

and im going scriers

and DD

[orchid nest]

usually maniac because you can reach h2 1 shot breakpoint with a really well rolled one or some peril with warp rider, then probably carapace would be my preference

[static needle]

got that already

ok ill use cara

[south gull]

spec into a non dps build and still arent good at that.

[cloud heron]

I can only parse the deimos's effectiveness through its ability to hit bosses and ogryns. Can't really imagine taking anything but carapace and unyielding for it

[digital narwhal]

Wtf are you even on about?

[south gull]

annoyed by how consistently shit the average vet is

[static needle]

not necessary to run boss dmg

[south gull]

[orchid nest]

unyielding isn't bad on deimos but if he is scrier/dd it's very probable he is using gun for superior boss dps

[digital narwhal]

Sounds to me like you're expecting Vets to target Specials for you, and then get upset when they don't.

Do you even take note of if they're busy with something else or being harassed in melee?

[static needle]

ye

[south gull]

Most of the time they are busy pinging enemeis but not shooting them lol

[digital narwhal]

See, usually

when someone pings an enemy

it's to make the team aware of an enemy that they themselves can't deal with at the moment

[south gull]

Ping enemy first vs shoot enemy and kill first

[olive ember]

according to pygex

[static needle]

which blessings on deimos for boss dmg?

[olive ember]

only take specialist if your deimos can't one hit mutants even with +maniac

[orchid nest]

I would always take carapace on it over unyielding in gunker setup

[static needle]

wait is slaughterer actually good on a non horde weapon?

wut

[static needle]

ye but i got a second deimos

im gonna make it for boss dmg

[orchid nest]

oh ok. executor and unstable will add boss dmg

[static needle]

like deimos?

[digital narwhal]

See, usually

when someone pings an enemy

it's to make the team aware of an enemy that they themselves can't deal with at the moment

[static needle]

according to pygex executor is garbaj

[orchid nest]

it has some problem with the stacks falling off when hitting trash

[south gull]

I can see their ammo count, and helth bar

[orchid nest]

hitting a boss with it is its ideal scenario

[fickle swallow]

WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE A MK.V WHY

[digital narwhal]

Do you see if they're in melee, or trying to avoid a disabler?

[rose dagger]

Deimos isn't that bad against hordes, unlike duelling swords

[olive ember]

pygex says you can use both

I personally would use unstable tbh

tho I don't use deimos in general

I use dueling sword

[orchid nest]

against just a boss executor is solid. not necessary though tbh

[digital narwhal]

You aren't an omniscient deity bestowed upon us mere mortals.
You should consider that not everyone is perfectly uncontested for shooting specials.

They might be in another fight.

They might be being harassed by melee enemies.

They might be avoiding a disabler.

[olive ember]

you don't know that! I have an uncanny ability to miss shots that shouldn't be missable

[south gull]

Let me clarify, these complaint happen when I;m playing smite psyker , stunlocking enemies and Vets couldnt be bothered to kill the bomber or sniper

[orchid nest]

yeah uncanny and unstable is probably a good middle ground for a boss one that you still want to shred carapace with

[olive ember]

Revolver with bullet magnetism, and I miss 3 shots against a trapper thats running away

[orchid nest]

I don't think I ever really take a boss deimos though because the builds I pair it with always have reasonable boss dps otherwise whether it be purg, gun, bb

[digital narwhal]

Consider the following:
Some people ping into Smiten hordes to find Elites/Specials faster, since Smite causes a bunch of visual noise.

Plus, maybe you should like

[half iron]

my beloved only trusts a few people with the stub, the superior staff

[digital narwhal]

open up with that in the first place?

You have to explain things properly first, you know.

[wide maple]

They do exist...

[orchid nest]

Ah yes, but what is the base rating for the stam roll? Could be a troll one.

[rose dagger]

Feel like gunker is the only way to have genuinely good boss dmg with psyker

I guess purg with unyielding and a duelling sword can be passable boss dmg

[wide maple]

I normally see +2

[orchid nest]

yeah pretty much, everything else is average/only acceptable boss dps

[rose dagger]

But not competitive with the other classes

[lyric canopy]

I like slaughterer on Illisi soulblaze for a giggle

[orchid nest]

If the base rating is lower than 76 it'll only give you 2 stam in a mission is my meaning due to rounding shenanigans

[lyric canopy]

Just stacks on stacks on stacks on stacks

[south gull]

rending shockwave trauma staff / mk 4 duelling sword rampage precognition

[primal plume]

Might be left field here, but I wish Surge was a single bolt of lightning instead of the channel we have now

The channeling made more sense when it was CC focused, but now that its more damage oriented I wish it became a single bolt of lightning. Just a quick fire and forget, something like this: https://youtu.be/gK8zPkbt56k?si=wdB6evsz4a-qOuXW&t=21

Maybe replacing the stun with a stagger.

[digital narwhal]

💀

[cloud heron]

There's that penance for soloing a monstrosity with brain burst so I assume that's really good at doing that. I mean, why else would they want you to do that?

[orchid nest]

It's alright. It's like the baseline for "this is an acceptable amount of damage" to hit a monstrosity with. kinetic resonance windows are decent burst. overall it's about 600 dps to a monstrosity or so, but it's also very safe

[slim raptor]

Has the guide been updated for part 2 yet? I haven't checked in a bit

Not that we got much but still\

[orchid nest]

It's definitely nice to have bb for that reason though in a build, you can do your part with it at least and not worry as much about covering monstrosities in other parts of your build

[slim raptor]

I just wanna roll a blazing spirit for my trauma

I've been fishing for one for ages

[hearty sinew]

what is the illisi dumpstat?

[rose dagger]

I don't think it's even that good

[hearty sinew]

warp resistance?

kind of need mobility to be fast

[orchid nest]

warp resist, mobility to a point

[slim raptor]

Are you building for charge attacks or nah

[hearty sinew]

yeah im building for special attacks

otherwise why would i be using illisi

just use chainsword instead

[rose dagger]

Even if you are, warp resist is dump

[slim raptor]

First target is the dump for special

[left dagger]

how does Smite work? I was Zealot stunning bomber with ult, psyker smite the entire diretion but bomber still near full health

[rose dagger]

Using smite on enemies getting CC'd by relic is just a smooth brain moment

[orchid nest]

there isn't really a need to dump first target unless you really absolutely have to, between losing like 10-20 in mobility and warp resist you won't really notice them and can still hit elites alright

[slim raptor]

This

[left dagger]

oh then that psyker is just dumb

[cloud heron]

Most smite psykers are. Like the assail psykers before them

[harsh urchin]

smite doesnt do damage

[slim raptor]

it does a little

it's like

40-50 dps iirc

without EP

[zealous hinge]

what are the best weapons for psyker?

[slim raptor]

That entirely depends on what you want to do

[olive ember]

its been updated

[slim raptor]

Psyker actually has quite a few good weapons

[cloud heron]

Staves and force swords. As a psyker, muggle weapons are beneath you.

[slim raptor]

I def agree with staves but god damn I got a decent mk IV dueling sword and holy hell it's insane good

[cloud heron]

All of the staves are good as well. Just pick the one you like best

[orchid nest]

laspistols are pretty appropriate for psykers tbh. from a lore perspective of psykers our caliber

[slim raptor]

Ye

[zealous hinge]

what do the different blaze swords do?

[slim raptor]

Laspistols are also still our best monstrosity dps right?

[rose dagger]

Laspistol also gets the force push that generates peril, which is dope

[olive ember]

illisi is horde clear deimos is single target obscures is outdated and janky

[cloud heron]

Illisi is cleave. Deimos is single target. Obscurus is middle

[rose dagger]

Isn't vraks higher monster DPS

[orchid nest]

it might be, it did get a rof nerf. it's either that, vraks, or columnus

[rose dagger]

I prefer laspistol for my gunker tho

Pretty great monster DPS with scriers if you headshot

Especially great DPS when barraging beast of nurgle back weakspot

[zealous hinge]

is the purgatus still viable?

[cloud heron]

yes

[slim raptor]

I like it atleast

[untold widget]

😮

this could go well

[slim raptor]

But you do want to get the flame talents

[ornate hamlet]

59% crit bonus

[untold widget]

yeah

well

[harsh urchin]

it's already gone well lol

[rose dagger]

That's the yeehaw revolver

[untold widget]

in b4 surgical 4

[slim raptor]

Also I do recomend BB and EP with it so you have some reach for killing specials and elites

[rose dagger]

Yeehaw revolver wants crucian/trickshot. Tho I guess crucian/hand cannon is passable

[cloud heron]

I feel like purge can go without them. You're applying so much soulblaze anyway

[trim valve]

I'm surprised by the amount of people that like the Gun Psyker.

[untold widget]

I take PC for Brain bursting hidden gunner nests

[left dagger]

smiting the mauler while its already CC'd

[slim raptor]

I guess but it helps you stack up stacks faster for mixed hordes

[untold widget]

get two of them and walk away

[orchid nest]

You'll usually want perilous combustion and creeping flames. they will raise the stacks above purgs normal max stacks. wildfire is optional

[untold widget]

wildfire is trash and shouldn't be taken

[orchid nest]

yeah yeah I know lol, I don't take it but some people like it

[harsh urchin]

you actually dont really need perilous combustion either

on purg

[cloud heron]

i would've said the same thing a few weeks ago but I've been playing without them and haven't really missed them. LMB spamming is so effective against anything short of a crusher

[untold widget]

Some people think the world is flat, doesn't mean they're right

[orchid nest]

there isn't really enough talent points to ever take it anyways if you are going siphon

[harsh urchin]

yep

[untold widget]

even if there were, there's always a better node to take

always

[slim raptor]

Thats fair but I run shield on my purg build just because shield is so invaluable

[orchid nest]

like I said, I never take it and don't intend to. some people like it for flavor or whatever. you can be successful with 0 talent points spent. isn't really a big deal if they waste 1

[orchid nest]

yeah thats fine too

[zealous hinge]

are these stats good?

[slim raptor]

Not really tbh

[trim valve]

What's the fastest TTK regular hordes using the Purge staff, fully charging the attack or a few M1 with wildfire?

[slim raptor]

Right click

[cloud heron]

287 base stats is kind of a non-starter for an end game weapon. If you're still levelling up then it doesn't matter

[rose dagger]

It's 287 base, they must not even be lvl 30

[slim raptor]

Left click is mostly a CC

[trim valve]

By how much?

[orchid nest]

charged streams, the left click is for staggering elites and all that

[zealous hinge]

i'm 29 rn

trying to get a decent weapon set for fun times

[trim valve]

I don't have a mediocre purge staff even, and I big list of grey weapons I want to craft so I can't really test it myself.

[orchid nest]

right click applies roughly 3 soulblaze stacks a second not counting crits and the left click has high cc and applies 1 stack

[cloud heron]

if you're looking to try out the purge staff then just take it and feel it out. You'll definitely want to replace it at some point though

[slim raptor]

Depends on if you have warp flurry or not because if you have warp flurry can you can a few lower charge RMBs and then charge more if you need it

[trim valve]

So the right click fully charged attack is going to be faster than Lclick spam with wildifre?

[slim raptor]

This is my current purg staff and tbh I wish I had more cloud radius instead of damage

[zealous hinge]

I haven't played psyker since before the skill tree update, I have no clue what's good so i'm asking people who are better thatn me

[slim raptor]

You don't really need to full charge in most cases, all charging does on the purg is increase the time you get to shoot for

[cloud heron]

Right click is the default way to use the purge staff. left click is situational

[slim raptor]

And it doesn't usually take a full charge to get a horde dead enough

[trim valve]

Hmm

[orchid nest]

yeah what they said, you charge up right just enough for the situation and how much time you have to do it

[trim valve]

Well I guess I would go on the list of weapons I have to craft at some point.

[slim raptor]

It's kind a shame that all the blessing on the purg are kind meh aside from Nexus

[cloud heron]

Flurry is good

[slim raptor]

I mean it's the second best blessing

[cloud heron]

like it's not god tier or anything. It's just good

[slim raptor]

But when your other options are extra CC on a already pretty CC focused weapon or being able to LMB while sprinting it doesn't really have any competion for second best

Oh I guessed focused channeling is a thing but I've never found I need it on any of the staves

[trim valve]

Actually, do I even need to bother with good blessings and perks for the Purge staff? I just need Warp Nexus right to test the damage vs horde difference between "light" and "heavy" fire attack right?

[cloud heron]

would've been nice if we got showstopper like the zealot flamer

[harsh urchin]

No

At your stage in the game

The only thing you care about is getting decent stats

[slim raptor]

That would be pretty nice

[harsh urchin]

Blessings and perks are an optimization for later

[slim raptor]

^

[harsh urchin]

Showstopper is trash anyways lol

[slim raptor]

Oh ya

But it would be fun

[trim valve]

My stage is I'm loaded with the diamond stuff and never have enough plasteel to craft weapons.

[harsh urchin]

Not really cuz you wouldnt even use it lol

[trim valve]

I just want to hit the meatgrinder if you know what I am saying.

[slim raptor]

Thats just darktide in general

[trim valve]

Ohh but I mean I have like 5-10 grey/blue weapons with interesting rolls on all my characters. I haven't even touched the new weapons.

[frigid olive]

dang that brain rupture monstrosity penance got hands-

[slim raptor]

The 90% hp with BB one?

[frigid olive]

mhm

[slim raptor]

I think the best way to get that these days is to do a private monsterous specials and kill a weakened something that way

[trim valve]

Is this good enough for basic meatgrinder testing?

[slim raptor]

Yes

[trim valve]

Nice, it was cheap

[slim raptor]

Honestly thats not a bad purg anyways

being two short of 76 burn is sad tho

[trim valve]

What's special about burn 76?

[slim raptor]

It lets you apply an extra stack of soulblaze

[trim valve]

Ohh I need that then

[slim raptor]

Not really

[trim valve]

Freak that staff

[slim raptor]

It's a pretty minor optimization

iirc it's like an extra 12~ damage per soulblaze tick

[harsh urchin]

Dmg breakpoint

For max stacks

Only really useful against bosses

[slim raptor]

^

[robust sierra]

does assail guarantee weakspot hits? wondering if I should switch this on my build

[slim raptor]

Not always no but it does try to headshot iirc

[trim valve]

Well, I'm sure warp resistance is a non problem. Is a fire staff after all

[robust sierra]

alright, thanks

I'll stick with the quell speed

[slim raptor]

Also true aim is weird assail would auto crit with true aim iirc

I don't know if it was ever fixed but I know smite used to charge up true aim but not consume it for awhile

[harsh urchin]

Assail synergizes well with true aim

[frigid olive]

monsterous specials?

[trim valve]

Do I need to use the half charge attack against hordes or full charge for max efficiency?

[slim raptor]

It's a mission modifier that gives specialist enemies a chance to spawn as a mini boss with 50?% hp

I think it's 50% after the last patch

[frigid olive]

how often do modifiers rotate?

[slim raptor]

Honestly don't remember but I would just look the auric missions tab and look through the 4s and find one that mentions it

There isn't one up rn outside of the auric maelstrom

[frigid olive]

dunno if I'm good enough to play in auric but ty for the advice

[slim raptor]

Auric isn't so bad on 4s

But the mission modifer will look something like this

[trim valve]

Wait up a second, how come the charged purgatus attack only applies 1 stack of soulblaze against horde units?

But it can apply several against the other targets?

[hasty breach]

i suck at using assail

i dont get what the point of it is almost

it always seems like my staff > assail for hordes and something like brainburst > for elites

[rose dagger]

Horde clear, occasional sniping

Assail really good at generating toughness for gunker

[snow coral]

I'm not a fan of assail, but I would always dump all of my mind bullets into a horde and then switch to staff

they still fly around while you have another weapon out

so it's good residual damage

[hasty breach]

thats cool i suppose

[untold widget]

This ended up rolling like this

btw

[quasi grotto]

left has slaughterer 4, is that any good on illisi?

[snow coral]

i hate when I dodge off a ledge 😦

[untold widget]

Best in slot from what illisi enthusiasts say

could probably eat it for that

[trim valve]

Is wild fire bugged? Ohh man, again a weird bug.

[untold widget]

and eat the other for deflector 4

[south gull]

if only the damage was better

[untold widget]

define bugged?

[rose dagger]

I'd add slaughter and deflector to the book

[trim valve]

Wildifre should spread up to 4 stacks of soulblaze on nearby targets, once the soulblazed target dies.

[untold widget]

yes

[quasi grotto]

which should i eat and which should i keep for now tho?

i'm guessing keep left?

[trim valve]

So if I have a mauler with like stacks 15 of soulblaze the nearby targets should get 4 stacks of soublaze no?

[untold widget]

eat both

[gusty furnace]

eat slaughterer off the left one

put it on the right one in place of blazing spirit

solid illisi

[untold widget]

1 stack to 4 targets unless they already have stacks

[quasi grotto]

[untold widget]

then they get nothing

if you have a mauler with 15 stacks, and it dies, 4 nearby targets get 1 stack each and the remaining 11 stacks evaporate into nothing ness

wildfire is bad

[trim valve]

"nearby enemies each gain up to 4 stacks of soulblaze "

[untold widget]

tooltip is poorly worded

they gain 4 stacks, distributed evenly

[trim valve]

Ohh that's just

Useless then.

[untold widget]

and they can't have more than 4 ever, so if they already have 4, then nothing happens

its

so bad

if it did what it said it does, then it'd be useful (barely)

[trim valve]

Well at least is not bugged, just completely pointless to use.

[untold widget]

yeah

[gusty furnace]

counterpoint:

TURN WHOLE ROOM BLUE

[untold widget]

turn 4 targets blue

[gusty furnace]

maniacal laughter

Clearly you need to use the funny fire venting shriek

[untold widget]

Should be renamed to Mildfire imo

GOTTEM

[gusty furnace]

and trauma staff with blazing spirit

cause you do actually turn whole rooms blue that way

[untold widget]

I do

[gusty furnace]

the fire damage is basically meaningless

its just funny

[untold widget]

I still turn whole rooms blue without it

[gusty furnace]

but yeah

the fire spread shit has never been good

[feral verge]

Wildflower buff pls

Let me get 2 mil damage

Instead of 1 mil

On mercantile

[gusty furnace]

it just needs to not drop stacks into nothingness

[untold widget]

If I were designing a talent called Wildfire, it'd be that targets that approach within melee distance of a target with soulfire, gains soulfire per second they're near

[gusty furnace]

if it said "Up to 15 stacks are spread evenly between nearby enemies" and it actually evenly spread all 15 stacks off an enemy

[feral verge]

What if I told you this is from wildfire only.....

[gusty furnace]

it'd go way further in promoting itself

[gusty furnace]

your teammates are literally doing nothing

[quasi grotto]

damage stat for purgatus not so useful right

[gusty furnace]

can you come back with competent teammates on your scoreboards

[untold widget]

that's a god roll purg my guy

[trim valve]

Ohh wait, it stacks quite fast though. Hmm I wonder if Wildfire has a quadratic growth based on the total number of enemies.

[quasi grotto]

i've been trying to get warp battery all night last night and either kept running into an elevator or running out of enemies, maybe a fire build will do it

[gusty furnace]

just play on heresy

[feral verge]

When I play with better teammates (like josho, arco, ECT) I still get 700-800k damage

[gusty furnace]

and BB elites and specials

its boring

but way more effective

[feral verge]

With that build

[gusty furnace]

cause you can just snipe super backline enemies

with bad teammates who can't effectively race you

[rare trellis]

yo quickish question my guys, how to you play assail, is it meant to be your sorta main weapon, or do you mainly use staves and melee?

[quasi grotto]

i was doing auric damnation hi shocktroop, just kept not quite working out

[gusty furnace]

its just a penance

do it on the lowest diff it allows you to

[untold widget]

I use assail with Surge staff for horde clear and snipers

[strong gulch]

You can do both.

[gusty furnace]

heresy hi int for increase spawn rates, and just get something that can delete elites/specials in one shot

revolver, brainburst

[quasi grotto]

i did try heresy hishock but would also run out, was thinking damnation would be better but not quite there yet

[rare trellis]

is there a more optimal way to play it?, im fairly low lvl atm, only 20 just trying to get a grasp on the game still

[gusty furnace]

colomnus IAG for DPS thats nuts

[quasi grotto]

yeah i've been running assail revolver

[untold widget]

throw a few shards out, swap to weapons and murder, rinse repeat

[strong gulch]

Depends how you play and what you run. Assail is good for quick swap and interrupting targets. You can horde clear or set up shots for your other weapons.

[gusty furnace]

Well

[rare trellis]

left clicking or right clicking shards? i see left is quicker output but right is higher numbers?

[gusty furnace]

we're discussing the difficulty of Warp Battery

the penance for maintaining max warp charges for 300 unbroken seconds

[rare trellis]

and then what weapons would someone recomend for a assail build?

[gusty furnace]

So the build is mostly irrelevant

[untold widget]

left click for general killery, right click for specific kills

[gusty furnace]

just have {Warp Charges}

[rare trellis]

ty guys i aprecaite it alot

[gusty furnace]

and a gun that can kill things fairly fast that feed you warp charges

OH I see

[rare trellis]

is the new revolver good?

[gusty furnace]

Ignore me

Yesn't

Its just "okay."

Not bad, not amazing.

It'll do the job you want it to.

[untold widget]

seems great for vets, dunno for psykers

[rare trellis]

so what weapon would you recomend?

[gusty furnace]

For Gunker?

Colomnus IAG

IAG= Infantry Autogun

[strong gulch]

Assail LMB is faster and can interrupt while RMB locks on for bigger damge and can even open up Bulwarks after a couple throws.

[gusty furnace]

I'd have to call Grond to discuss how to use assail

I played around with it when it was dumb OP during patch 13

[rare trellis]

ty guys

[gusty furnace]

and then basically one match since then each patch to see where it was at

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I like staff psyker, Voidstrike and Purg staffs are my baby, although I only like Void because of Surge blessing

[strong gulch]

Assail is also good for ammo ecconomy with guns.

[gusty furnace]

Trauma Staff is my psyker build

cause you're literally invulnerable

Aim down

explode feet

melee enemies can no longer touch you

[rare trellis]

the comlus mk5?

[strong gulch]

Explode feet. This is the way.

[untold widget]

I like Purg staff. Shoot flame, laugh as gunners try and shoot you through Empathic Evasion

[gusty furnace]

Its really stupid how effective just looking down with the Trauma is.

[quasi grotto]

i'll go try for warp battery again, wish me luck

[untold widget]

GL, Sibling!

[strong gulch]

I like assail with both revolvers and laspistols. I don't have much experience with the other guns.

[gusty furnace]

Grond uses the Colomnus IAG

that's where I pulled my suggestion from.

Grond is a good gunker

Like I said, I just main Trauma staff. I don't find psyker fun enough to get good at the other stuff.

Just fuck around with it enough to understand it.

[frigid olive]

I started to use colomnus but I have too many skill issues to comment on how it feels to use-

[trim valve]

You don't like Surge staff?

[strong gulch]

I hear good things about psyker columnus. Good crit strings.

[gusty furnace]

Mine has like 18% Quell

the attack speed buff basically killed my surge staff

I'm spending more time quelling than I am attacking

[trim valve]

Gotta roll a new Surge then.

[gusty furnace]

I refuse

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lol

[gusty furnace]

I'll just stick with Trauma Staff and Illisi.

Or TS/Dueling Sword

[trim valve]

Gotta use a multi wound suicide Psyker build, it just works in lower diff levels.

[gusty furnace]

I play with 2 wounds

cause if I die

I'm doing it for the emperor

[untold widget]

I started playing no wounds

[gusty furnace]

Oh

[trim valve]

No no no, 6 wounds lower diffs. Go boom

[gusty furnace]

I meant damnation 2 wounds

not that I run 2 wound curios lmao

I run 3x HP

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I run toughness, hp, stam

[gusty furnace]

I'm way too lazy to like

actually care about melee combat

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until I get enough toughess curios

[gusty furnace]

and HP stacking is alright at dealing with chip damage

[untold widget]

then I'll run all toughness

[trim valve]

Very interesting individual you are.

I commend you for your play-style.

[gusty furnace]

I don't get shot by ranged enemies anyway

which is what toughness is really good at dealing with

Brainburst and corner peeking

basically ogryn's grenadier gauntlet gameplay loop but way slower

so the HP is more handy

[orchid nest]

yeah I also have toughness, hp, stam right now

[hearty oak]

I run 3 wounds and low peril resist and hog all the medicae charges

[fair spruce]

I run 9 stamina with block efficiency and a deflector obscurus

the trick is simply telling the enemy bullets StopThat

[quasi grotto]

Okay I think I need some tips on using purgatus+bb combo, I did horribly haha

[unique sand]

do i buy this?

[quasi grotto]

Bb feels very slow to come out, and considering the range of the purgatus staff I'm finding it difficult to tell when to use it or to whip out the sword

[fresh reef]

2x Toughness, 1x Health, +2 stam on melee

This is the way

[strong gulch]

It's good. You can keep the perks where they are and switch blessings around, or change one of each.

Carapace or unyeilding are good perks.

Nexus + flurry or nexus plus surge are meta blessing combos. A lot of people also run flurry + surge. (true aim talent is assumed)

[unique sand]

i just wish i had surge

these are my current best Voidstrikes. i have so many more cause i was trying to farm surge

yet the only 2 t4 blessings i have are warp flurry and terrifying barrage

[strong gulch]

Since you have the 525. I would not buy the melk staff, unless you want to save it for when you do have surge.

I personally find the chare up too slow, so I opt for flurry on my VS.

[unique sand]

how much of a diff does surge make

[hard locust]

how is this?

[hearty sinew]

double damage if u always crit

which is most of the time if ur clearing hordes

[strong gulch]

Surge does double your damage if critting all of the time.

That's why nexus + surge and the the true aim talent are often used together; especially if you don't mind VS charge time or work in partial charges.

[ornate hamlet]

Question

What's technically the most viable phsyker ability

[tulip trench]

hadron pooed all over my staff 😢

[hushed pike]

This hood looks sick af on my outfit.

[thorn cedar]

gonna make a build that uses all of psykers TDR nodes

its gonna be wild

gonna be so fkn tanky

[strong gulch]

They all are. All three are pretty great. The odd one out is scrier's gaze, but that is because it's more niche.

Venting shriek + creeping flames has great CC and damage that's let's you be more aggressive with some utility.

Shield is a great defensive option that has really nice utility.

Scrier's Gaze let's you be really aggressive; especially with non-force weapons.

[ornate hamlet]

I really like shriek + flames so far
It even kinda worked for extra dps, although not a lot

[tulip trench]

Venting shriek means you can hold off + kill the entire horde coming from behind you... Alone.
As well, you get 2 full rotations of smite off on bulwark/crusher/rager/mauler hordes, allowing your team plenty of time to kill them

[strong gulch]

Yip

I have KD and creeping flames. I was stuck in a corner with the anime boss twin and a horde was running up. I was at critical peril and yelled at the horde and continued blocking. My team didn't even have to turn around.

[tulip trench]

Bubble is the PUB saviour, with its toughness DR + Regen.
Stun Wall really good too in maelstrom indoor cramped maps, cause you can funnel elites through it easily, open outdoor maps, its bunk though
Bubble + Assail is fantastic if your running purgatus staff, voidstrike staff, revolver
It allows you to get the range required for big open rooms with lots of gunners
Void strike/revolver shoot too slow, purg has no range, so you just place a bubble and assail spam away, take warp charges and your bubble will be back up every 20 seconds

[tulip trench]

Scriers ive never used, cause i see a pysker blow themselves up with it 3-4 times a match every 5 matches or so lmao

[near wyvern]

@vale nacelle

For In Fire Reborn stuff needs to be killed by you while Soulblazed and there is a 1 second graze period right when the Soulblaze ends where it can still proc.

[vale nacelle]

Thank

[half iron]

scrier’s gaze is peak‼️‼️‼️💯

[ornate hamlet]

🐐 ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[strong gulch]

Did a recent patch change that? As of patch 13 or 14, an ally could kill a target effected by SB and trigger In Fire Reborn while in the meat grinder.

[near wyvern]

Trauma generates so much peril it won't be worth it. I tried blazing spirit + rending shockwave when Smite was able to farm true aim, that worked with similar efficiency to regular spirit nexus but was sweaty to keep up compared to just using RMB on trauma

You loose a lot utility or burst damage by not picking vent or (stun) shield. Perhaps if they fix rending shockwave, but at the current state no.

Brittleness is currently half as effective as rending if you wonder what's wrong with it.

[near wyvern]

Gotta test this to know for sure. At least it is confirmed that it triggers from your own kills made while target is soulblazed.

Would need someone in a private game to confirm it

If it works from kills made by others

[olive ember]

🤔

was wondering cuz I remember that after getting used to the peril gain I was actually able to keep scriers up fairly long

cuz of how fast the natural quelling was

but yeah didn't know if it was worth taking over shriek with flames

[strong gulch]

I know the meat grinder vs in game can sometime not align with out thing work. When I tested a few patches ago, I did it will bots in the meat grinder.

I totally get needing to verify if / how something works yourself. Besides, it's been awhile and thing could have changed. 👍

[olive ember]

its just soulblaze in general tho right? as in soulblaze applied by someone else will still net you warp charges?

[silent coral]

how impactful is the blood redemption talent even really?

[umbral helm]

that was how it used to work, but I've yet to notice and haven't cared enough to verify it still works that way, I get my charges fast enough on my purgatus build usually that it wouldn't matter

[olive ember]

which one is that?

for zealot

uh

its decent im psure

not that you need it

wait

i'm losing braincells

[near wyvern]

It used to be such that if another Psyker procs it, everyone with the talent gets a charge but I would have to reconfirm this I guess

[olive ember]

ah alright

[silent coral]

srry i misremembered the name i ment warp rider

[olive ember]

warp rider is pretty much a must pick

its in the middle of the tree and its free global damage as long as you have peril

[umbral helm]

I wouldn't see why they'd change it, but we're also talking about FS here, so who knows.

if they did, there's a decent chance it wasn't even intentional

[olive ember]

Also for the people who are taking advice on zealot in psyker chat

blood redemption is mid

I lied

[near wyvern]

The closest I can do is Psylot

[olive ember]

I play marty zealot mostly now just so I can think less

but I swap to blaze trauma psyker to tryhard lmao

[silent coral]

Is anticipation wasted if you do Dueling sword since it already has good dodge?

[near wyvern]

But blaze trauma is such a brains off build

[errant basalt]

So I have a weird question. I currently am doing a perg smite Psyker for full support. But I’m not sure what melee weapon to bring. Thoughts?

[olive ember]

just never run anticipation

the duration buff is a lie

so you get +1 dodge on a base 5 dodge weapon

in your particular case

[umbral helm]

but, Pygex, you gotta do the wrist flick, that's hard y'know

[olive ember]

its more brain on than purge alright

[strong gulch]

I just leveled a zealot. The damage mitigation and whatnot in melee is going to make me feel unstoppable and end up getting me leveled on my psyker.

[near wyvern]

Nah you either stare at toes or look at the ceiling and carry on

[near wyvern]

I'd claim purge requires more brains

[olive ember]

but yeah marty zealot you can literally hold w and heavy spam through a horde event spawning more shit

[olive ember]

🤔 never felt that tbh

[near wyvern]

Because if you want to be effective with it you gotta know when you have applied enough flames for shit to die and move on

If you just stand there and flame the same pile over and over you will waste DPS

[olive ember]

Eh its not that hard, most things melt, and the rest are basically maulers and ragers

both of which are 1 and half blasts more or less

[umbral helm]

shhh, you'll take away from the cool trauma flicking they do

[near wyvern]

It's not hard to get it to work yes, but to be effective you have to use a lot of brains

[strong gulch]

Dueling sword, deimos, or knife are my picks.

[near wyvern]

Knife 6 is my new love

[olive ember]

purge smite psyker is... interesting. For melee def bring anti armor, so knife, dueling sword, deimos

[near wyvern]

Why would you bring purge and smite?

Just go creeping flames and pick a ranged attack

[olive ember]

I've brought a degen loner stealth knife zealot setup into damnation

its

its degenerate alright

[errant basalt]

For the deimos would you run deflector?

[errant basalt]

Because I like having both purge and smite~ support main at heart

[olive ember]

purge is not a support staff 😅

atleast I doin't feel its a support staff

[umbral helm]

purg and smite is so you can sing a mashup between Great Balls of Fire and Bohemian Rhapsody through the whole mission

[errant basalt]

You get me

[near wyvern]

Yeah if you want a support staff you go trauma, any version will do but nexus spirit is the best

That CC

Is unmatched

[errant basalt]

I do have a purg brainburst Psyker with kinetic flayed

[strong gulch]

Deflector + slaughter for defense and power is good, but since you have shield, uncanny strikes will help with damage.

If you want to commit even more to support, pick deimos. H2 to the head knocks targets over and the pushes are strong enough to push a patch for your allies or create space for a res.

[olive ember]

its just that both purge and smite are mostly for handling hordes. So the setup is kinda redundant. Support is just surge staff, zap the one or two targets to stun em while the players with actually good setups kill 20

[near wyvern]

But you could just turn your brains off and do this, having any ranged weapon you want

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[errant basalt]

Really trauma for support? Interesting makes sense but the peril generation I feel is too great. Perg can still stagger most that dot with warp charge

[olive ember]

what rng is that wtf

you get 6 charges in like 3 seconds off of creeping flames?

I'm presuming creeping flames

[near wyvern]

Peril gen is non issue since you can stand in the middle of a horde casting mid charges without getting touched, having enough time to quell in between. If you have stronger enemies you just need to dodge once during the quick quelling.