psyker-class

[vestal fulcrum]

I would be fine if cleavers had this, because they don't do a lot of Unyielding damage

clubs, though, do, with their Relentless attacks at least

[copper jay]

remember when we could stagger 2 crusher and not doing stagger -2

[fresh reef]

god I love switching to my melee and then not switching to my melee

and then exploding

[orchid nest]

I just see every ogryn with the new shovel now deleting crushers and stuff

[fresh reef]

think I'm gonna go back to staves lol

[copper jay]

i should have like many loved patch 13-14-15
i should thing patch 13-14-15 did make the game again

but in my opinion its the worse patch since the release

[austere field]

My brain: There are tons of unique and cool weapons, you don't HAVE to use a force sword AND a staff

My soul: must use all class unique weaponssss

[fresh reef]

use the laspistol on psyker because it's technically class unique

[orchid nest]

laspistol is pretty lore appropriate for psyker too

like the wyrdvane models

[digital narwhal]

Play Ogryn, then

[snow coral]

going to try out a columnus build with scriers. what do I do for perks?

I could change dumdum for speedreload if reload speed is key

and change reload perk to something else

[rich rose]

I'd keep dumdum

[orchid nest]

dumdum is the more important blessing

[wet belfry]

Flak, crit chance.

[snow coral]

yeah I was thinking reload into flax

[orchid nest]

both perks aren't great, the crit damage doesn't add very much either. you could replace either one

[snow coral]

i normally run revolver so this'll be a bit different

[snow coral]

that's kinda what I thought, so it doesn't really matter which one I get rid of

[orchid nest]

yeah, not really. it only adds the difference between a normal hit and a crit hit, so 8% more is very little

[copper jay]

wan't to know a "fun" thing about columnus ia ?
this last change was a buff to unyelding dmg from 80% to 100%

in game its 160%

[fluid knot]

So ye.. Cowboy Psyker.. kinda better than expected @plucky flax

Only my second run with, could do a lot better

[hot zephyr]

If you want to tailor to a SG build take crit plus your choice of flak or maniacs. If you want something more generalist go flak + maniac. The blessings and base stats on this are already amazing so might as well just fix the perks.

[orchid nest]

they can only change one perk unfortunately

[snow coral]

yeah I had to change the blessing since it was a 3 raking fire

[orchid nest]

although, it was definitely worth putting dumdum on it, don't get me wrong

[hot zephyr]

Oh I didn't notice. Just keep the reload speed then and take flak imo

Flak is very important imo.

[snow coral]

already dropped reload into flak, lol

[orchid nest]

I would probably also keep the reload speed yeah. very counter intuitive to other games but 8% crit damage here adds almost nothing

oh rip

[wet belfry]

If it was other classes crit might have been worth more then flak

[quasi junco]

third game in a row taking smite and .............. not using it once

[wet belfry]

But psyker had so many ways of getting high crit without the 5%

[queen fog]

You must be enjoying the crap outta ur staff/gun, bravo

[hot zephyr]

Yeah SG and DD give so much +crit DMG you might as well have the reload. But whatever. It's still going to be an absolute monster of a weapon

[quasi junco]

good teams that didn't need me to be some CC babysitter

[orchid nest]

I also have this problem with smite and stopped using it outside of creeping flames. I keep putting it off just thinking "yeah I can handle this situation and still add dps" and then end the match using it like a couple times

[icy wyvern]

im starting to get so pissed at the amount of work i need to do just to get plasteel

[quasi junco]

Last time I used it earlier today was from the sudden wave of ragers in my face

[queen fog]

Welcome to the club

[icy wyvern]

like "try this build, try this build"

[queen fog]

We have rations

[icy wyvern]

i cant try shit without plasteel

and i need to complete missions to get plasteel

[hot zephyr]

Dum dum + Fire Frenzy is just absurd for clearing special packs like ragers

[icy wyvern]

and i cant complete missions because these fucking vet mains keep blowing up poxbursters as I'm pushing them

like, there's no team damage. there is only two ways to tk in darktide

barrels and poxbursters

and mfs still find a way

[snow coral]

holy shit this gun rips

[queen fog]

Don’t forget bout DH

[vocal cliff]

Can confirm

[icy wyvern]

i was talking about targeted, dh is more of a "to whom it may concern"

[vocal cliff]

Had a vet awaken one because he wanted to shoot the sniper behind it

[queen fog]

Valid lol

[orchid nest]

dumdum is definitely the mvp, fire frenzy can be good but they really need to increase it from 8m to 15m

[wet belfry]

DHs activating with me as a second target is demoralizing

[vocal cliff]

He could've walked around

[hot zephyr]

Yeah dude. Wait till you flank a BoN and mag dump the weak spot. You'll watch the health bar melt like an ice cream cone thrown into a volcano

[vocal cliff]

It's so annoying because it's just "fuck it's me it's after now alright"

I can handle it but it does suck

[wet belfry]

I usally by that point will try to leave the strike team after the game

Not worth it

[vocal cliff]

I wouldn't leave it even if the run is essentially failed, I like to get the scrap rewards ya get

Like the bits you'd get instead of the full amount

[ornate hamlet]

I don't leave matches cuz momma ain't raised no gosh darned bitch ass hoe ass mfin pussy

She did raise a psycholgically-damaged individual who for a certain amount of time got traumatized of door knocking

[vocal cliff]

That and ye never know if the run can be salvaged, every run is unpredictable

[ornate hamlet]

But not a pussy

[primal ibex]

what exactly happens when warp reaches 100% on psycher?

[vocal cliff]

Explosion

Kaboom

Death

[orchid nest]

well, it's fine to reach 100. just don't press a warp attack after that unless you know you're going to use shriek lol

[rich rose]

Had to check, I am running dumdum and speedload

[orchid nest]

dumdum just has such high ease of use on it, the uptime is really what elevates it so much. not even the guns ability to max stack it by itself so quick but also things like soulblaze from perilious constantly refreshing/stacking it, assails stacking it

and it also being 15m instead of 8m

[hearty oak]

They do have a pattern of low levels ||console|| characters not handling hordes well and having a shit setup

[vocal cliff]

As a consolian myself sometimes it ees what it ees, but I usually try and recommend stuff they can try if they do struggle

In downtime OFC

[fresh reef]

four psykers is goofy

[snow coral]

yeah this gun was so much fun, tested in heresy, going to try damnation. this was the heresy run just now

wish I would have dropped crit since it's not as good as I thought, but even still it's allright, i just get more crit dps this way, I guess, lol

[orchid nest]

its still fine to be honest, the perks were both not ideal. I wouldn't sweat it

[snow coral]

yeah I may try and roll another one at some point, but for my first attempt I'm happy with this

[hot zephyr]

Yeah it'll be hard to improve on that weapon. The 8% crit damage is basically just 4 extra stacks of DD at all times

Which isn't the worst

It's base stats are very nicely distributed too

So it probably handles nicely even under full auto

[snow coral]

yeah I'm learning to manage the recoil

burst fire usually, dump if they're close

and hey, an actual flashlight so I won't hate lights out as much

[lethal lagoon]

My favorite match ever was a pub where all 4 of us had different staves.

It synergized so well

[fresh reef]

bro

[brazen rampart]

what blessings and perks should I want on the atrox mk 7 tac axe?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah you'll want to manage your ammo carefully. You don't want to just be spraying like a fire hose. Best way I can describe the mindset is don't bestow the glory of wasting one of the emperor's bullets on trash.

[brazen rampart]

I never use them so I don't know what to look for but I've got one with super juiced base stats

[vocal cliff]

Seems winnable

[snow coral]

before 13 i had an all psyker match and it was actually pretty sweet because we onlyy had BB at the time

we shredded all the specials/elites

[snow coral]

i'm just goign to always pray for a vet with the ammo perk

[lethal lagoon]

That's when mine happened, pretty shortly after beta, when psykers were largely considered the weakest class. Turns out everyone else was dragging us down cause that was the easiest t5 ever.

[orchid nest]

you'll get used to it, you can manage your ammo pretty well with assail and all that

[lethal lagoon]

Everytime I run gunker it quickly turns into assker 🥹

[orchid nest]

I don't use much ammo overall to be honest, I can skip over most ammo packs and mark them for other people

i'll ammo dump a monstrosity is the only exception really, and try to fill back up on an ammo crate

[strong gulch]

I keep watching this on repeat, so I had to trim it down. 😂

[lethal lagoon]

huh

Last time that happened to me, I didn't take damage from the poxy

I wonder if it matters if someone else blows it up

[strong gulch]

All I know is it's funny.

[lethal lagoon]

The "Shit" at the end is pretty hilarious.

[fresh reef]

I don't think it's winnable siblings

[vocal cliff]

Nuh uh it's still winnable (because I said so)

[orchid nest]

those guys are 100% dying on the end event immediately in that harder assassination map

[vocal cliff]

Nah they got this the likely hood of them not going down is 17% out of a 83% down chance

[orchid nest]

[fresh reef]

didn't even get to start it lol

[vocal cliff]

Damn

[orchid nest]

rip

[fresh reef]

here's the build I was running

[vocal cliff]

Surprised by the surge staff

[fresh reef]

why? scrier's with surge is hella potent

[vocal cliff]

I've never gotten the good feel of surge compared to others

But that's just my personal pref

[fresh reef]

I've fallen in love with it

CCs whatever the highest value threat is reliably, if not outright killing it

[vocal cliff]

Nice, I might try and give it a go(again) if I really feel like going back to psyker

[fresh reef]

going back?

https://tenor.com/view/phony-family-guy-peter-griffin-stewie-griffin-meg-griffin-gif-7541737

[vocal cliff]

Hey! It's not MY fault it is I was convicted by a bunch of loud guys and people with too many marksmans

[vapid lichen]

skadi pfp !

[vocal cliff]

Yes

[vapid lichen]

i love fish!!!!!

[vocal cliff]

Fish are great

[brazen rampart]

suggestions for this thing? I never use axes so I don't know what to do with it

[rich rose]

If I'm not running gunker I run a void with surge

[hollow dove]

Hey all -- back for the first time in 6 mos and looking to optimize or figure out how to mess with Brain Burst, still my favorite ability. it seems to me that the warpcharge build is generally better than the two speed buffs (Empowered + Blitz). Anyone have any thoughts?

[naive sonnet]

i LOOOOOVE quickplay

[vapid lichen]

sell it to hadron and use a duelling sword instead

[brazen rampart]

duelling swords are tempting

but I feel like the base stats of this axe compel me to use it

[brittle condor]

Maybe wait for axs buff

And leave it in the vault

[digital narwhal]

Context?

[brazen rampart]

dang

that's depressing

I really wanted an upgrade from my illis force sword

[primal ibex]

are warp melee weapons good?

[vapid lichen]

if you look at the pinned guide it says to use shred/decimator and flak/maniac

so you could use shred/deci and flak or maniac+unarmored maybe

idk lol

[naive sonnet]

dude fed 5 times and i called him out for just running away from team

[digital narwhal]

kekw

[naive sonnet]

this is difficulty 3 btw

[digital narwhal]

MALICE?!

[naive sonnet]

just leveling my alt

YUP

[digital narwhal]

BRO WENT DOWN ON HIS OWN

[naive sonnet]

difficulty 3 on my lv 20 alt

[digital narwhal]

IN MALICE?!

[brazen rampart]

what a goblin

[vocal cliff]

Naaahhh

[vapid lichen]

the force swords? they're nuts

[naive sonnet]

and then his response is

THANKS FOR THE EXP LOSERS

[vocal cliff]

THATS ACTUALLY CRAZY

[brazen rampart]

actual goblin energy

[vapid lichen]

just boot his ass

[brazen rampart]

I hope he stubs his toe

[naive sonnet]

the 4th player wouldn't kick

[digital narwhal]

I hope his fridge breaks down

[naive sonnet]

it was me and my friend + 2 randos

[vocal cliff]

I hope their sock is wet when they get out of bed

[naive sonnet]

i called votekick like 3 times

[vapid lichen]

L

[primal ibex]

is it good idea to run it with staff or not?

[vapid lichen]

you can run them with anything

[brazen rampart]

^

[naive sonnet]

and when i say he died 5 times, it's not an exaggeration

[vapid lichen]

they let you quell too so they're quite nice with staves

[brazen rampart]

force swords are great for edging peril as well

[digital narwhal]

I hope some unexplainable entity grabs his foot in the middle of the night and drags him into an unknown dimension of pitch black darkness.

[primal ibex]

ok thx
I was afraid that having all stuff generate peril may not be good idea

[brazen rampart]

get high peril and once you go down to like 70% charge your sword again

[thorn birch]

warp nexus and flurry are top picks on surge staff yeah? trying to see if I should try and switch things up

[vapid lichen]

i mean

just don't blow up

it's that easy

[brazen rampart]

you can run warp rider and one of those blessings that gives you power based off of peril

you'll do some pretty good damage

[vapid lichen]

i've been playing a lot of gunker and im constantly stroking my illisi for warp rider damage

[brazen rampart]

but yeah don't explode

if: about to explode
don't

👍

[vapid lichen]

in the hive city. straight up "jorking it". and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. my force sword

[primal ibex]

what force sword is good for crowd?

[vapid lichen]

illisi is aoe, deimos is single target

[thorn birch]

if: about to explode with venting shriek
F
If: about to explode and no venting shriek
F

[vapid lichen]

obscurus is bad

until they buff it at least

i still buy high-rating obscurus if i see them at brunt's

[brazen rampart]

I find both obscurus and deimos to be bad but that may just be me

[primal ibex]

ok thx
so I will wait until I lvl up to get IIlisi

[digital narwhal]

Deimos is amazing

[vapid lichen]

have you tried doing L1->H2 on deimos

[digital narwhal]

Obscurus does suffer from middle child syndrome though

[vapid lichen]

it knocks over crushers

[brazen rampart]

say that in PC speak

[vapid lichen]

that is pc speak

[digital narwhal]

That literally is PC speak you melon

[primal ibex]

I tend to get cornered by ton of small enemies
big ones I can usually run away from or dodge

[brazen rampart]

say that in a way that someone who doesn't speak PC speak can understand

[digital narwhal]

[vapid lichen]

light 1 -> heavy 2 refers to the combo string

[brazen rampart]

I am, in fact, a melon

[digital narwhal]

Light 1 > Heavy 2

[vapid lichen]

tap left click then hold and release left click

[vocal cliff]

Or just scream into the void

But not everyone gets that luxury

[brazen rampart]

so light into heavy

[vocal cliff]

So see original mssg if so

[vapid lichen]

it'll do two stabs in succession and the heavy stab can even knock down crushers on a headshot

[brazen rampart]

isn't that two stabs?

yeah

[digital narwhal]

Ye

[vapid lichen]

you can completely trivialize dangerous enemies with the knockdown

[primal ibex]

and for staffs
Equinox has bomb
what do the others have?

I know that one has flamethrower

[brazen rampart]

the 40% damage rating duelling sword from mr milk

💀

[vapid lichen]

purgatus is a flamethrower
surge is a tesla coil
voidstrike is a rocket launcher
and trauma is an air strike

[brazen rampart]

anywho, I'll play around with the deimos sword again, see if I like it once I get a good one

maybe i had a bad one while I was using it

[primal ibex]

how does surge from staff comapore to surge from "grenade"?

[vocal cliff]

One is great for hitting a wide variety

The other for more single

Purgatus....fire? Idk never used it

And one is great for hitting multiple if they're behind and can have great Crit damage (especially paired with a certain blessing)

[vapid lichen]

they're different

smite is aoe CC that does no damage but affects a lot of targets
surge is a damage+CC tool on a few targets

[stuck finch]

Ion cannon strike staff when?

[primal ibex]

so far i used only 1st staff with Trauma

I like it but I dont do much damage I think, but good for Crowd control

[vapid lichen]

trauma gets a lot better once you have a properly built one at lvl 30

especially fire trauma
that thing is unreasonably insane

[stuck finch]

Trauma is just fun

[vocal cliff]

My best rolled staff is a trauma thankfully, even if I don't use it as much anymore

[stuck finch]

My cqc shotgun

[primal ibex]

need to lvl up fist
just started psycher

I have all classes on lvl 15 but psycher
I tend to get bored and want to try different stuff

[brazen rampart]

yall use staves?

[stuck finch]

Said the Gunker

Unironically

[brazen rampart]

not familiar with the word

but sure ig

[stuck finch]

Gun Psyker

[primal ibex]

one psycher skill tree path is aimed at guns a lot

so it would not be good to use staff there

[stuck finch]

Cokefiend's Gaze tree

[primal ibex]

for shooting I have veteran
still trying to choose what weapon to use tho
Helbore is nice but it takes longer for weapon swap and I hate the sights it has

btw does smite get faster jump?
takes some time to jump to multiple enemies now

[vapid lichen]

it doesn't get any faster at lvl 30

what you see is what you get

[eager mantle]

being unable to just shoot the mines twins throw out is very stupid

[worn canopy]

What’s the fire trauma ideal staff

I never really used it

[untold widget]

Charge rate and blast radius at 80, rest of the stats as high as you can get them

damage might be dump stat? but idk if that correlates to soulfire damage or not

[eager mantle]

still want dmg to one shot some of the flak chaff

[untold widget]

fire/nexus blessings and your favorite flavor of damage perks

[strong gulch]

If you're fully leaning into the fire on fire trauma, then you can dump damage a bit.

If you want trauma itself to do damage, then you need damage high as well.

[fresh reef]

3 guesses as to what build this zealot was running, first 2 don't count

[waxen mortar]

Anyone have a SS or link for a brain burst build?

[strong gulch]

BIS fire trauma perks and blessing are flak + crit chance and nexus + blazing spirit.

[fresh reef]

just sparring the plogryn and I cackled at this for some reason

[digital narwhal]

Based Scrier's Knife Psyker

[fresh reef]

dear god help me

[untold widget]

the 2nd best team comp next to 4 psykers

[ornate hamlet]

Alright I'm gunna see what all the fuss is with the perilous combustion.
Using a pretty decent voidstrike staff, what is the other tree nodes people pair with it?

[lethal lagoon]

Flaming shriek.

I dunno about flaming shriek on voidstrike though

[icy wyvern]

flaming shriek and wildfire will keep soulfire on most targets practically all the time in mixed hordes

[lethal lagoon]

wildfire is meh.

[icy wyvern]

Its meh from a solo perspective

chip damage makes things easier for teammates to mop up

also if you're a bit crosseyed like me, flaming targets are easier to see lol

[lethal lagoon]

Flaming targets also mark knocked down targets as still alive

I get that.

[untold widget]

How much does 1 stack of soulfire do, all said and done?

5 damage per tick? for what, 4 seconds?

20 damage really gonna make a breakpoint for you?

[lethal lagoon]

Where are you getting 1 stack though?

[untold widget]

that's what wildfire does

takes 4 stacks, distributes them evenly amongst surrounding enemies

so 4 enemies get 1 stack

that's if they don't have any stacks on them already

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, I always knew it was ass, I never really looked into it beyond trying it a few times.

Wow that's awful

[untold widget]

if they have 3 stacks, chances are they aren't going to get any stacks

[lethal lagoon]

I guess, if you squint, have 1-2 stacks would make flaming shriek stronger?

Pretty meh yeah.

[untold widget]

versus like a 5% ranged damage node?

or KD, or Empathic Evasion, or any number of more valuable things to use that point on?

[lethal lagoon]

I already said wildfire is meh 🤷‍♂️

[untold widget]

if it worked like the tooltip said, it would be a great choice

and I'd use it on all my fire builds

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it would probably be pretty ridicilous though.

[untold widget]

it would be passable

[lethal lagoon]

Esp when combined with PC and flaming shriek

You might light the whole map on fire with enough RNG on an auric mael and do your whole team's combined DPS.

[untold widget]

well considering nothing can gain more stacks than the dead enemy had

it would peter out quickly enough

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on if you get enough elite kills going for another flaming shriek.

4 + 6 is quite a lot of damage, plus the PC chains.

Anyways, it doesn't work like that, so whatever.

[untold widget]

well if they had 6, they wouldn't get the 4

[lethal lagoon]

Wildfire for me is usually wildfire or 6 warp stacks or something. Never worth it.

Otherway around works though

[digital narwhal]

Did I... do something wrong?

[brazen rampart]

does the deimos force sword have to be a specific build to be good or am I missing something

[untold niche]

depends on good at what

[brazen rampart]

I was told it was better than the illis variant for single target damage but as it stands I can't even oneshot a mutant even when edging peril

[untold widget]

you using h2?

[untold niche]

you should be able to oneshot the mutant by stabbing it, can't you? :v
else run the maniac perk

[brazen rampart]

my illis variant was 1shotting a mutant on damnation at ~70% and the deimos isn't

[untold widget]

whats your sword look like, perks and blessings wise?

illisi can't 1 shot mutants

outside of a crit

[digital narwhal]

Proof?

[brazen rampart]

70% peril w warp rider and the 25% bonus to maniacs w 77% damage stat was 1shotting to buffed headshot with a heavy

[untold widget]

likely a crit, regular charged weakspot hits do 90% damage to a mutant, require an additional light to finish them

[brazen rampart]

I guess my crit rate was just 100% on mutants or something then

idk

[digital narwhal]

Proof?

[brazen rampart]

I just know this isn't hitting nearly as hard as my illis was

[digital narwhal]

Like, go to the Psykhanium and show us pls

[untold widget]

and post a snip of the blessings and perks?

[brazen rampart]

now it's one shotting in meat grinder

this game is insane

[opal meadow]

So im having touble utilizing smite for psyker, how and when should I use it effectively?

[brazen rampart]

I was having this same issue with my stub revolver not 1shotting dreg gunners to the head in the meat grinder

[untold widget]

6 crushers, 2 bulwarks and a pack of ragers? That's a smitin'

[brazen rampart]

then I reloaded the meat grinder and it was 1shotting

[untold widget]

Gunner nest won't stop firing at your cover? That's a smitin'

[digital narwhal]

You're either hitting crits, or you're loading into lower difficulties

[brazen rampart]

nah I'm loading into damnation psykhanium for all testing

[untold niche]

^

[brazen rampart]

deimos is now 1shotting without any buffs or extra peril active in the psykhanium but it wasn't earlier in a damnation quickplay

special head poke kills a mutant without any extra input

[eager mantle]

mixed horde with several maulers, crushers or ragers? Smite

[icy wyvern]

i one shot muties with my deimos all the time

[long zodiac]

voidstrike+ scryers is definitely a skill issue on me

[brazen rampart]

that'd what I'm saying man it wasn't doing this literally 5 minutes ago

[eager mantle]

just use smite to hold the dangerous ones, not necessary to spam on a few but worth when its a horde situation to hold a bunch of priority targets at once

[brazen rampart]

like I swear I'm not crazy

[icy wyvern]

idk homie maybe fatshark took your training weights off

rock lee'd your ass

[brazen rampart]

I wish bro

[icy wyvern]

go kick that sand emo's ass

[brazen rampart]

bet (he will nearly kill me in the process)

now this is even weirder, right

I'm just running around smacking things with it

I can't 1shot a sniper with the opening heavy

even on headshot

but the light kills it

[icy wyvern]

well, yeah

peep the damage breakdowns

l1 does about the same damage on unarmored as h2

[brazen rampart]

where are these damage breakdowns at

do tell

[untold niche]

worth buying?

[icy wyvern]

pull up the weapon in your inv, press v, and press e

[south gull]

All my psyker builds are mid because hadron wont give me good blessings

[brazen rampart]

I'm gonna be real

[icy wyvern]

i'd say its worth it for riposte 4

[brazen rampart]

I cannot read this table

[untold niche]

are the statas worth?
mobility isn't a dumb stat righjt

[winter siren]

mobi is THE dump stat

[untold niche]

aight im buying it

i thought you wan good mobilit yon ds4

because it has good dodges and stuff

run speed

[winter siren]

inspect and look at stat

[untold niche]

\

[winter siren]

for dodge distance etc, it is nice to have high mobi, but i think its better to kill things with dam, pen, cleave, and finesse

[winter siren]

you lost 1 dodge, kinda sucks a lil

[spice veldt]

mostly that past a point, having more mobility is whatevs

dodges are continuous and not actually discrete so it is what it is

the game rounds up for dodges

or down

I forgot

[untold niche]

yeh but the one dodge is sad :(

i bought it tho

[spice veldt]

should be up

[winter siren]

as long as you use them wisely 4 is enough, not sadge like the 2 dodge weaps

[fresh reef]

empowered assail is really fun

[untold niche]

@plucky flax :v

[fresh reef]

feels almost as strong as creeping shriek

[fresh reef]

+20% unarmoured, +10% specialists, T3 Nexus, T3 Shockwave

[untold niche]

nah i was showing him because the damage isn't enough

even though i have 80 charge and 80 blast

[fresh reef]

I mean, the damage is fine

assuming you wanted to go blazing

[untold niche]

not good enough one one shot bruiser

[fresh reef]

ah, sadge

[wise cove]

What’s a good way to get warp battery penance? Stuck at 208 of 300 seconds

[stone plover]

Saaaaaame

[fresh reef]

best way is to play HiSTG, and play fast

[stone plover]

Which one is that?

[lethal lagoon]

HiSTG Magi(the short one with a boss at the end). The beginning section and event with okayish pubs should last 300 seconds.

[stone totem]

If two psykers have purgatus, do the burns stack?

[fresh reef]

yup

[lethal lagoon]

They both function but they don't stack? that'd be crazy, no?

30 stacks does way more damage than 2 15 stacks, right?

[fresh reef]

it is, and they do stack

[lethal lagoon]

Oh damn, I kinda wanna see 4 purgs on a boss

[fresh reef]

unfortunately it hard caps at 31

[lethal lagoon]

Ah

So three psykers with purgatus don't really stack.

[fresh reef]

correct

though they do upkeep the stacks, and realistically anything below a crusher is going to die basically instantly

[digital narwhal]

[fresh reef]

it's so over

it has never been more over

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-dancing-dance-dancing-robot-t600-robot-gif-22132535

Hadron styling on you

[wise cove]

Can you explain more please. I don’t understand

[lethal lagoon]

Uhh, do you normally run auric t5s?

[wise cove]

No at lvl 29

[lethal lagoon]

So, honestly that penance is easier to do when you are geared out and have been at 30 for a while.

But.

I guess you can you still do it now if you really want to.

[wise cove]

Is it more talent centric or is there a better weapon that would help?

[lethal lagoon]

More enemies and elites = easier to keep up stacks.

So higher difficulty = easier penance.

You can also trying using purg staff and using the 10% chance on soulfire kill and see if you can get it.

As I mentioned earlier, magistrati is a good map for it.

[icy wyvern]

Honestly, my best advice for warp battery is to get a build with 4 warp charges that you're comfortable with and plug away at it

You're going to have a harder time running a build solely made for a penance than you will with one that you can use comfortably.

So purg might make it easier, but don't roll a purg if you don't like using it

I got it with deimos, voidstrike, and bb

[crude cape]

whats the best heavy laspistol blessings next to dumdum, if not using infernus? ghost?

[lethal lagoon]

By heavy you mean the new one?

Or are they both called heavy, man the naming system in this game, I get it has to be lore friendly, but it's wild.

[tame venture]

The slow one

Imo I think it's better for most because there's less clicking

[lethal lagoon]

Nope they are both called heavy, just checked.

[untold widget]

You have to have 6 warp charges to get Warp Battery done

[tame venture]

But It may not be as good for on crit/weak point effects

[untold widget]

wont work with 4

[lethal lagoon]

Apparently no. That was changed.

[untold widget]

when, within the last month?

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️ no clue

I said the same thing you did and everyone said I was wrong.

[tame venture]

Do certain builds gain charges easier? I had been trying for that with a purge shriek build and didn't get far

[untold widget]

shrieking drops the charges

so

[lethal lagoon]

If you can snipe elites, yeah.

[untold widget]

probably don't wanna do that

[lethal lagoon]

Also lmao

[tame venture]

Ah right lmaoooo

So what, dome?

[untold widget]

don't use abilties

at all

[lethal lagoon]

Ghost crosses over with emphatic evasion, but if you are using the slow chonker, it's probably usable.

[untold widget]

if you use shriek/dome/scriers

it drops charges

thats what WS does

so to get the penance you have to stop using the ability and hold max charges for 5 minutes

kill elites

stay in coherency for Psychic Vampire to do its job

and pray

[tame venture]

So pretty much just kill elites and don't abilities

[untold widget]

yarp

I did mine with brain burst

holding charge till I see a gunner/special and then nuking them

sound cue? Hold RMB and pop as they come around the corner

and you gotta stay aggressive, so that you keep triggering hordes and events for more mobs

elevators are the devil

you'll lose a charge on the ride

almost always

[tame venture]

Isn't the challenge for total time, not continuous?

[untold widget]

continuous

[crude cape]

is infernus + dumdum then just preferred?
or if not using dumdum what do people run? Im not asking if ghost is useable, im asking what i should be looking for 😛 i just dont know

[tame venture]

Oli remember being told that it can have a break in it

[lethal lagoon]

Dumdum is a pretty much a must. Infernus is there cause nothing else is really good.

[tame venture]

On a similar note, is there any possible way to do the malleolus monstrum in a not blatantly cheese way?

The new map in my experience has two nearly guaranteed monstrosity, with one early on, so I guess just get a friend shield ogryn and try that?

[untold widget]

that I can't tell you

[lethal lagoon]

You have to do it in private, no?

[tame venture]

I know the trick used to be DHs and shirldgrin

[untold widget]

other than its a private match only thing

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you don't have to cheese, you can solo most monsters with some practice.

[untold widget]

I have yet to do that one

but you have to brain burst it

so

[tame venture]

It's a shame that the armor piece for it is pretty cool

[lethal lagoon]

And?

[untold widget]

DH might be the easiest as they're pretty focused on one thing

regular bosses will lose aggro

and chase oyu

[lethal lagoon]

Pop a monster in the pysch and give it some souls-like practice sessions.

[untold widget]

assuming he uses mods

[tame venture]

I've yet to put any on

[untold widget]

regular psych doesn't have that feature

psyk*

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it is the game discord, I think mod-use or being able to use them is more implied than it's not.

[untold widget]

ok?

I don't use mods

[tame venture]

The process doesn't seem too daunting, but I've put it off these sorts of things usually mess up

[untold widget]

for personal reasons

[terse rivet]

I have a question which staff is better overall the Lightning staff or the Flamer staff?

[tame venture]

Ngl I vastly prefer modding like in deep rock galactic, where it's decently pain free

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on playstyle 🤷‍♂️ people have pretty polarizing opinions on Surge staff. I love it.

[tame venture]

"which of these two hyper specialized items is objectively better?"
One is a single target delete, the other is a crowd killing DoT tool

[lethal lagoon]

Flamer is meh to me.

Surge builds tons of peril, great for flaming shriek for hordes.

[tame venture]

Flamer is good when its made good

And it can be really good

[lethal lagoon]

See, depends on playstyle, two completely different opinions 🙂

[terse rivet]

so i'm on Malice and almost at lvl 30 just trying to figure out at higher difficulty what is more important i suppose

[ornate hamlet]

Being self-sufficient

[half iron]

you are more important.

[tame venture]

Ngl one thing that really made it shine for me was pairing it with a dueling mk4 or combat knife.
A very speedy single target melee compliments a close range crowd killer

Plus I am the fasts

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-sonic-fast-run-walk-gif-17514382

[half iron]

all i need is scrier’s, rizz, and a snortable line of caffiene powder

[lethal lagoon]

I get the build, it's just in pubs no one kills ranged units. I'm always in front. So anything that can't kill ranged units well makes me annoyed. Just a playstyle difference.

[tame venture]

Psykers have negative rizz

[half iron]

coming from you of all people?

[tame venture]

Like knows like

[tame venture]

Oh you end up hating ranged units no matter what you play

I honestly want to strangle gunners sometimes

[lethal lagoon]

Not surge 🙂

Half the reason I love it is ranged units lose all meaning

[tame venture]

Usually there's like 4 all on different angles

Though I do adore when people make it their mission to delete shooters

[lethal lagoon]

Surge insta one shots ranged mobs, charged one shots gunner(usually), has high peril gen and spd so fast toughness gen.

When people use surge but still ignore ranged mobs 😩

[wise cove]

Thank you all for advice earlier🫡

[lethal lagoon]

Like I get it's not fun to kill that one lone shooter.

It is fun watching him shoot you in the back.

[potent echo]

Use it on poxwalkers

[tame venture]

I will vouch for purge, though a suggestion I have is to take burning shriek, because if you hit 100% while channeling a charge you'll be fine, and if you start channeling while at 100% you can finish it.

So you can max out on one group, turn around, and put max shriek stacks on a whole different group

Shriek goes out to 30m so you can light up a whole crowd

But it is ultimately a complete 180 from surge, so I can understand not quite getting it

I assume surge wants the most CC melee possible, yeah?

[lethal lagoon]

I don't know what you mean by that.

[tame venture]

Or is just smite ok

[tame venture]

Single target staff paired with a crowd control Melee weapon?

[lethal lagoon]

Purg is great, and then suddenly everything is out of your range and there's only gunners your team won't kill.

Oh, horde weapon, crowd control typically doesn't mean killing.

Illy goes well with surge yeah.

[sacred crane]

Imagine if us seers knew that this is all a video game and just like to fuck with the teammates

[tame venture]

BB or assail usually helps by having some sort of ranged options

[lethal lagoon]

But if I have assail, why use purg 🤷‍♂️

I just feel like purg has been left behind by patch 13

[tame venture]

Purg is unironically better imo

[lethal lagoon]

I was a beta player, I used purg quite a lot btw.

But after patch 13 it's just meh.

compared to our other options

[brazen rampart]

join damnation match
psyker named "sheev" is using smite to hold the line

[half iron]

let them cook!

[icy wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[trim valve]

Psyker people, what's the "average" curious set up, double toughness 1 HP?

[icy wyvern]

curios?

we out here doin damage

we dont need no damage protection

[trim valve]

triple stamina I take you do then?

[icy wyvern]

the damage needs protection from us

[gilded wing]

idk bro

[trim valve]

Idk I have seen triple wound curious "suicide explosion" set up, the ultimate form of damage curious.

[gilded wing]

I just watched two psykers get globbed on by poxwalkers then rage out after blowing themselves up for the fifth time

yall kinda lettin me down tn

[icy wyvern]

had a vet shoot a poxburster as i was pushing it earlier, killing me

[trim valve]

Is the "meatgrinder" bugged? For example if I use it to test damage is it going to give me different results than "in the field"?

[icy wyvern]

everyone sucks homie

[untold widget]

I've run everything from one wound two stamina

to stam hp toughness

to wound toughnes stam

[icy wyvern]

run only wounds, so you can blow up more often

[untold widget]

none of it seems to matter other than stamina for sprint longevity for mat collection

[icy wyvern]

who needs peril management when you have 5 wounds

[untold widget]

that was for Going out with a Bang penance, which is done so

[trim valve]

I feel like if you are going to do wounds might as well do 5, if you blow up it was all part of the plan.

[fading depot]

what he neglected to say is

they ragequit AFTER I picked them up and talked down to them because they raged and blamed us

[icy wyvern]

i got so close to actively flaming people earlier

spawn had me grabbed and had maybe 10% hp left

vet ran away to go pick up oggy on the other side of the big ass room

[untold widget]

so you got monched?

[icy wyvern]

like bro, he's dead. kill the spawn. it's so shrimple

the damn thing is anim locked in place

hose it down

[gilded wing]

felt that

[icy wyvern]

like sometimes i have to take a step back and remember that i've been playing vermin/darktide for years

[half iron]

i once got eaten by a beast and spat out in front of a gunner.

[icy wyvern]

beast/tox flamer combo is straight vile

i wish whoever allowed that a very unmerry christmas

[untold widget]

lol what a meme staff

666 damage, 69 radius

nice

[icy wyvern]

based

[untold widget]

Trapper poxburster is actual cancer though

because of how easy pox's are to avoid and how stupidly hard trappers are

oh fuck I was supposed to be doing laundry

[icy wyvern]

Just can't panic dodge

[spice veldt]

the despair of being staggered by a melee hit and not being able to dodge

[icy wyvern]

every time i get hit by a trapper that I have the chance to avoid, its because panic dodge

[untold widget]

the despair of thinking the trapper was on the other side of the skybridge ands till getting netted through solid steel

[obtuse moth]

i find its much easier to not get point blank trapped by trappers now mid-dodge

idk if thats because theyre easier to stumble now

but before i dont think the dodge mattered because of the hitbox or cone or something

[icy wyvern]

yeah whenever i see a trapper i hear some old british guy yell "FIX BAYONETS" and i just send it

i get trapped or it dies

either way, not my problem after that

[trim valve]

How does the psyker wall interact with poxbursters? I barely used it and never seen people use it.

Do they bounce?

[icy wyvern]

Reckon they stumble, similar to the zealot's icon

but i could be wrong

[untold widget]

they bounce back

[trim valve]

!!

[untold widget]

and blow up if you stand right in front of it

[trim valve]

Ohh

[icy wyvern]

The wall, I've only seen used a handful of times

Needs a lot more think than the bubble.

[trim valve]

I may give it a go then, I don't mind having anti burster technology.

[untold widget]

I used to main stun wall, back when I tried to do support to try and make up for my braindead teammate

s

[icy wyvern]

Bubble is "ow off ouch, gunners"

[untold widget]

now I just murder

[spice veldt]

bubble is nice for flamers and trappers

[untold widget]

anti burster technology? you mean push+dodge back?

because thats all you need to do

[icy wyvern]

Remember to aim towards your teammates when pushing bursters

[trim valve]

Yeah, but I need to be melee range for that

[icy wyvern]

It's the Christmas season, after all.

[untold widget]

what stun wall is useful for is a5HISTG for stopping mutie trains

[icy wyvern]

voidstrike will put a burster on its ass

[trim valve]

Actually, there is a bunch of better options to deal with them than wall.

[untold widget]

smite also safely detonates them

pushes back and detonates

guaranteed

[spice veldt]

force sword push-attack them from the safety of 10m

[untold widget]

purg left click

[icy wyvern]

brain burst them immediately as they leave the spawn door, simple as

[untold widget]

trauma

lots of things deal with poxbursters

but the easiest is push+dodge back

[trim valve]

That is, hmm

Maybe I am always thinking there is a friendly camping the spawn doors.

[icy wyvern]

Obviously, upgrade uncanny to 3 or 4 when I can get it

wot else

[vapid lichen]

crit chance to maniac probably?

[icy wyvern]

a reckon

[vapid lichen]

i use 2 toughness + 1 hp or 1 toughness + 1 hp + 1 3stam

[vocal rain]

Would you like me to create or make your character extra awesome with custom design and features

[potent echo]

You want >200hp and 20% sniper res so you can survive 1 sniper shot or burster after 1 wound

[noble trellis]

finally, surge is mine

[potent echo]

Acquire 🔥

[lost folio]

Neat

[icy wyvern]

dude the thousands of plasteel it took me to get surge is insane

[trim valve]

I tought this was the standard

Been seeing a lot of weird stuff

[noble trellis]

tbh it's almost always the psyker who needs an extra wound

in quickplay

if you've got a 4stack with comms then yeah go for stats
but with randos I wouldn't take the risk

[eager mantle]

off of the psyker's base stats what those curios are gonna give, much rather have a wound over that tiny bit of extra hp or toughness

[noble trellis]

decent surge VS complete
in a perfect world I'd have maniac or carapace instead of infested, but this'll work until I can upgrade

[ornate hamlet]

Y'all do y'all, as my country uncle used to day

I'm content with my toughness ranging from 170 to 192

[digital narwhal]

Not perfect, but

it'll do

[vapid lichen]

it's bc the stats help u not go down in the first place or feeling like u dont need the wound at all

i haven't had a situation where i wished I had 3 wounds anytime recently

either i go down because the whole team is dying or i can survive long enough with my 1 wound to get to the next medicae

[trim valve]

What do you guys think about having a devil's claw just to parry mutants and "overhead attacks"?

Quick swap, parry and don't bother using it in melee unless is an emergency.

[untold widget]

if you don't have to use it for melee then its fine

[eager mantle]

seen far more 2 wounds go down because of variables in a mission like surprise poxburters, net into fire, or anything. That lil bit of toughness imo aint shit vs another down

[untold widget]

I use my melee for one main thing. Taking out Maulers and Crushers

which dclaws are fucking terrible at

[trim valve]

Do you use Mk4 Dueling?

[untold widget]

yup

or deimos

[noble trellis]

I don't think devil's claw is bad, I just think dueling sword just kinda fills the role better
1-2 overheads will always kill mutant, can just back dodge away from any threat instead of parry, etc.

[vapid lichen]

the 2 wound vs 3 wound difference only matters if said 2-wound user actually dies on their last wound and has to be rescued

[trim valve]

With the Void staff and surge I often don't need the extra armor pen, so I was wondering if it made sense (I also can't roll a good one so it gives me an excuse to use a crappy one)

[vapid lichen]

it's entirely an ego play
"am I good enough to not need a third wound"
if you think the answer is yes, go for two

[untold widget]

I find with enough crushers, the void can take a bit long to get all of them down

[trim valve]

Wow wow wow, easy there.

[ripe yacht]

If the answer is not yes, you should practice more until your answer changes.

[eager mantle]

in a perfect world, I would not run a wound. You know what the director does? I'd rather have the 3 wounds vs any bullshit the director throws out. Its not that I "need" the extra down, its a safe insurance vs a very small bonus

[untold widget]

so if they get into the mix with me I want to drop them quick

dclawing them 15 times is not quick lol

[vapid lichen]

no like that's the actual answer, it's not a joke
people take 2 wounds because they think they can avoid going down in the first place

[trim valve]

Even if you run 3 wounds there is no guarantee your teammates can revive you twice before the med station.

And if you have the mindset "I can afford to blow up" that's quite detrimental.

[noble trellis]

what every quickplay psyker needs to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlVXW0vGd7w

[clear heath]

the real question to be asking is "are my teammates really gonna res me a 2nd time?"

[vapid lichen]

a lot of people don't take a third wound because the mindset is that taking said third wound is 'preparing for failure'

yeah that too lol

[icy wyvern]

if you need the damage resistance, you're not good enough to be blowing up on purpose

run profane curios

[clear heath]

imagine even getting revived in the absolute chaos of auric

there's just gonna be fire everywhere

[trim valve]

With 3 wounds one can think "maybe blowing up is not too bad", with 2 is like "most avoid blowing up at all cost".

[vapid lichen]

yea it's like
if one person goes down, the entire situation is already a disaster

a wound is the "treatment" to the "prevention" of taking a stamina/toughness/health curio

[trim valve]

BUT if they let us one shot crusher with self blow up, 5 wounds here I come.

[clear heath]

+1 wound is nice for easing into heresy for the first time

but at some point you stop getting revived as often when you play more and get into higher difficulty

either due to lack of downs or lack of revives. usually both

[spice veldt]

moreso that i don't think i'm not going to go down more than once per medicae

[vapid lichen]

one time i saw a psyker with 5 wound and 150 hp
bro got dogged for 2 seconds and lost an entire wound
it was actually tragic

[icy wyvern]

maybe YOU stop getting revived

[spice veldt]

2 wounds still allows you to go down once

[icy wyvern]

I only go down after i've cleared the entire horde, minus one random scab behind me

[vapid lichen]

ye 2 wounds is "I can make it to the next med" for sure

[trim valve]

I've seen a suicide bomber psyker 5 wounds, if only he knew how little damage it does...

[vapid lichen]

especially with the new med syringe also providing a safety buffer

[trim valve]

(I think it was on purpose)

[vapid lichen]

the syringe healing half ur hp when u have 2 wounds is crazy

[clear heath]

i think now with the med stims, there's almost no reason to go +wound

[ornate hamlet]

guys I will blow up to kill the groaner horde, it's a very dangerous part of the game and I want to use all the tools I have to help the team :)))))))))))))

[digital narwhal]

It's a good time to be a 2 wound Psyker

[vapid lichen]

med syringe my beloved

[trim valve]

How does syringe work? I thought it was a flat amount of HP

[icy wyvern]

the reason to run +wound is because the greedy knife zealot who already grabbed the syringe before you could get to it

[vapid lichen]

one wound or 25% hp, whichever is higher iirc

[digital narwhal]

25% HP or 1 Wound, depending on which is higher

[trim valve]

Ahh I see, because I've seen zealots martydom use it just fine.

[vapid lichen]

2 wound making it heal half ur hp is so fucking juice

[digital narwhal]

and it's based off of max HP, not current HP

[icy wyvern]

you still get more than 25% hp if you run three wounds, and can get revived twice instead of once, if you get revived at all

[digital narwhal]

Yeah but running a wound is planning for failure.

[icy wyvern]

+wound is a more viable quickplay build than two wounds

[trim valve]

I have a question about the "fire staff"

[icy wyvern]

i plan for my teammates failures

[digital narwhal]

Run 3 HP Curios or 2 HP and 1 Stamina Curio, and simply just have enough HP to make it to the next Medicae Station

[trim valve]

(Don't have any blessings or a good one), does finesse work for it?

[clear heath]

with med stims being a thing, you have plenty of downs anyways

[vapid lichen]

sometimes the team cant even pick you up

[clear heath]

med stims give you your down back

[icy wyvern]

bro you are really overstating how many med stims drop

my teammates definitely need them more than i do

[vapid lichen]

i see like 1-3 med stims a game usually

[icy wyvern]

and there are four teammates

[digital narwhal]

I see anywhere from 4 to 6

They're plentiful

[vapid lichen]

damn okay

[icy wyvern]

thus, the best person, a la myself, does not get one

[vapid lichen]

i feel like i see the CDR stim the most

[south spruce]

Psykers, what is the ideal blessing pairing for the surge staff?

[noble trellis]

med stim does make no wound a lot less risky

I still prefer the flexibility though, I never have to worry that one unlucky down will immediately put me in 1shot mode

If I'm playing well and never go down, I likely didn't need the extra stats another curio would've given me

[eager mantle]

nothing but either celerity or power

[vapid lichen]

surge's blessings are dog so you can really only take flurry/nexus

just look at the pinned guide

[icy wyvern]

that said, flurry/nexus is still good, even though it's the only good one.

[south spruce]

thanks

[trim valve]

The sad part is, if you take health instead of wound. Once you are at "half wounds" you are always going to have more health compared with going down and having a wound curio.

[eager mantle]

I'd rather prepare for random bullshit than worry about needing 1 hit worth of hp or toughness

[south spruce]

Was thinking if there was something different from.flurry and nexus

[vapid lichen]

not really no

surge is just... like that

[icy wyvern]

have you heard of our lord and savior voidstrike

[noble trellis]

on the bright side though
it's really easy to roll a good surge staff

same with purgatus

[trim valve]

Sigh, I miss surge being able to inflict headshots.

[south spruce]

Well that is a bit disappointing but also easily to get

Thanks

[icy wyvern]

the thousand-yard stare of a voidstrike main after grinding plasteel to get surge

[trim valve]

About the Purge staff, if I get max Disrupt Destiny stacks is the precision going to help my in any way?

[south spruce]

No my only.two saviours are brain burst and assail oomfie

[vapid lichen]

probably not

purg can't headshot

[icy wyvern]

finesse increases crit damage iirc

[vapid lichen]

purg is also gonna struggle to stack DD

unless you bring assail

[trim valve]

Idk purg + assail makes me feel might as well not bring purge and use assail + venting shriek

[vapid lichen]

yeah purg and DD is a... not great combo imo

[sonic coral]

Finesse applies to both weakspot and crit

[trim valve]

Maybe they are going to break purge staff, allowing us to get headshot crits. I'll get a cheap purge staff just to test if they do after every patch.

A man can dream.

[half iron]

i have a dream (like the seer) that ass fail gets replaced with a cooler blitz like superfast super epic super psyker punches.

[vapid lichen]

dual wielding the crystals like they're knives

throw them like the zealot knife instead of having auto aim

or something idk lol

[half iron]

okay but
fist

loser.

[crude cape]

tbh i dont think ive ever used DD with an actual staff build

[half iron]

i’ve never used dd
i like the visual feedback i get when i gain a warp charge

[crude cape]

whats the visual feed back?

just the buff stacking in the bottom corner?

lots of people dont like warp charges, and i dont love that you HAVE to dump them on ulti now but

idk, they still feel good in a staff-focused build

no other build lets you just spam staff and do big dmg with it as easily

[trim valve]

What happens if 2 psykers have DD?

[half iron]

blue fire fills the border of my screen

[trim valve]

Can friendly psyker get stacks for other psyker?

[hearty oak]

I like the visual feedback of being killing the target after drilling a hole through a horde till I hit the target

It also more makes me think I'm playing a psyler cause he can see in the dark his targets. Makes more sense

They're federal agents so they glow in the dark (real head canon for me)

[half iron]

my beloved fights alongside me the same way john call of duty black ops fights alongside viktor reznov

[proven stirrup]

Y'know it's funny

[hearty oak]

"Beloved, reveal them to me" is more accurate to DD

[proven stirrup]

My most successful build so far has been a mostly launch-state psyker

Save for the bubble

[hearty oak]

I still wish DD didn't break randomly

[violet oak]

What blessings do I want on an illisi

[spice veldt]

there's a good amount of med stims if your team is inclined to search around and loot

[half iron]

never ran dd
does it disappear same way super-old warp charges did?

[spice veldt]

i just have a feeling that people with item issues just don't loot all that much

[violet oak]

What do you mean i shouldnt chase the speedrunner zealot who died 2 minutes ago

[proven stirrup]

The game has a propensity to punish looting too much

[vivid mica]

yes, full drop off if you don't refresh in time

[proven stirrup]

Given it likes to throw wild shit at you in high level play

[half iron]

nice it’s like early psyker never left

[proven stirrup]

Not to say it not a skill issue in the end but like

Yeah, it is. And that's gonna vary for everyone. Not everyone is capable of the same level of skill

So diverting your attention from the chaos to scoop up materials and stimms is rough at times

[half iron]

works on my machine

[unkempt hare]

Ever hear the voices when you shriek? Likes like the grandfather has you now and embrace the decay! It's just a cool little touch

[violet oak]

You arent supposed to listen to those voices sibling

Ive been warning you

[unkempt hare]

What? Afraid I might lose it?

Within sefoni's realm I am completely safe 😃

[proven stirrup]

Hey guys r8 my sord

[unkempt hare]

Pocket mallet

[proven stirrup]

I love this mod so much

[unkempt hare]

BONK

[proven stirrup]

apparently there this companion mod that just unlocks the options across melee weapons

I could swing around an illisi axe too if I wanted but I saw this and just...

lost my mind

NO

EVEN BETTER

[pine flax]

Does the trauma staff secondary not count for ranged attacks?

[proven stirrup]

inb4 trauma wand

..........

Lads

we've peaked

[burnt valley]

🙂

[lethal lagoon]

I'd change the crit to flak.

[burnt valley]

i probs will just changed it from unyielding it had 😄

[trim valve]

About the Surge staff, after the latest changes when used against Maulers, is it never going to hit the head so it always hits flak armor? Or can it still hit the head but it does not get any extra damage?

[burnt valley]

now to roll a new surge staff 😄

[lethal lagoon]

Always hits the body

[trim valve]

That's nice, I kinda hated the extreme RNG against the Maulers.

[untold widget]

huh.. apparently I don't have uncanny IV for force swords

[tame venture]

is this passable for a surge/lllisi build?

[trim valve]

IMO Kinetic Deflection when you are running smite feels mediocre.

[tame venture]

just drop that, or anything else stick out?

[violet oak]

[trim valve]

Personal preference, would not recommend but I find having solidity with smite/surge quite useful (as long as you always quell with the staff and never with naked hands)

You would have to sacrifice some damage or survival for it, and you already have venting shriek for that.

[vapid lichen]

i would personally drop the extra points upgrading smite, drop battle meditation, and go into warp charges instead of empowered psionics

EP is kinda unnecessary when you're killing everything with fire shriek instead of the actual lightning

[trim valve]

Empowered psioncis do be quite cheap and good with smite though.

[vapid lichen]

doesn't do much else but upgrade smite

[trim valve]

It is quite an upgrade

Faster spreed, really good.

Damage, meh.

[vapid lichen]

i dont use smite a lot personally though

just whenever i want to vent and wipe a room

i have a very similar build and just use surge staff and illisi most of the time

and i only smite elite packs or smite with vent

so there's def some playstyle difference there

which is why i use warp charges

[trim valve]

I would recommend giving it a try even on the meatgrinder, the extra spreed speed does feel quite impactful in practice and even more "in the field".

It is also fairly cheap which is nice.

[vapid lichen]

oh i know what it does

i just dont value what it does

[untold widget]

yeah I haven't augmented smite in a hot minute

[trim valve]

I feel ya, still if possible give it a try on meatgrinder mode.

[untold widget]

no point

[vapid lichen]

barely manages to kill groaners for a significant point investment

[tame venture]

smite can lock down a whole horde at once though

[untold widget]

and it can do that without augments

[vapid lichen]

venting shriek can also do that

[untold widget]

precisely

All I need it to do is group up the front of the horde with the back of the horde

[trim valve]

But the speed at which it does is what matters, and with surge you probably want to safe the venting to keep using it instead of smite.

[untold widget]

which it does fine all on its own

It really doesn't matter

[vapid lichen]

iirc someone here said that smite's +1 jump augment only applies to the left click too

[trim valve]

Again, is very hard to quantify is better to feel in in practice.

[untold widget]

that's been fixed apparently

[vapid lichen]

oh okay good

[untold widget]

you get maybe 5 or 6 extra mobs out of it

[tame venture]

so it's worth now?

[untold widget]

but still not worth

to me anyways

[tame venture]

😦

[untold widget]

ymmv

[tame venture]

i like it

i wish enfeeble was somewhat more worth

[trim valve]

Up to you Fleen, if you find it useful and find more success with it go for it.

[untold widget]

I never hold smite long enough to make it worth, it's just a quick CC

[vapid lichen]

the knockdown is pretty solid

[tame venture]

is the enfeeble smite point a more certain yes/no then?

[untold widget]

that's what I want out of it

[tame venture]

damage multi is damage multi

[vapid lichen]

enfeeble is better than +1 imo
esp with vent flames

[untold widget]

if it works, you'll need mods to test it

I don't notice a difference

[vapid lichen]

no clue how good it actually is though

the effect is gonna be most visible on like. elite packs

[untold widget]

you get more out of other talents than augmenting smite imo

[vapid lichen]

like more points into warp charges

warp charges my beloved

[untold widget]

yeah

or KD

or EE

[trim valve]

I am unsure how big of an impact it has, I guess it will vary if that % helps your teammates hit breakpoints or not.

[untold widget]

or whatever

Generally, I leave reaching breakpoints to each player

wonder twin powers generally are too niche to rely on

[vapid lichen]

a lot of builds and perks are chosen to hit those breakpoints without help too

[untold widget]

preciselyh

[tame venture]

this look better?
and man i oughta get that small talent trees mod in place

[untold widget]

I've tried enfeeble smiting bosses to help zealots one shot them, but they just do that anyways and I could be doing other things intead of providng that meager damage amp

[untold widget]

gameslanter build editor is what you want

you can get the whole thing in at once

[untold niche]

i would swap out wild fire for the top left node that give you toughness on warp kill

[untold widget]

in a web browser

[untold niche]

also uh

what weapon are you running

take away the smite augment node

[trim valve]

Nonono

[vapid lichen]

i have wildfire and smite augment swapped out for kinetic deflection in my build

[untold widget]

drop wildfire and smite +1 and you can get KD

[tame venture]

surge/lllisi

[untold widget]

yeah

[trim valve]

Taking out Enfleeble, sure, but the extra jump? Big no

[untold niche]

i'd assume he doesn't want KD heh heh

[untold widget]

small no at best

who doesn't want KD?

[tame venture]

IMO Kinetic Deflection when you are running smite feels mediocre.
this is what i was working off of

[vapid lichen]

small no at best for sure

[untold widget]

its like... the best talent we have

[untold niche]

theres some people making the argument that KD is too expensive

[trim valve]

With smite though?

[untold widget]

yeah

[untold niche]

the smite one it seems all the regulars here agree that it doesn't make much of a difference

[untold widget]

do you like getting interrupted out of revives?

[trim valve]

Like, do you want to tank bosses or something?

[vapid lichen]

i cannot within memory ever remember a smite spammer outdamaging me

[trim valve]

You also have venting

[untold widget]

yes

i do

I tank the world

[trim valve]

I mean go for it, psyker tank blocker.

[untold widget]

DH's, bosses, hordes, rager packs

[vapid lichen]

i do want to tank bosses and tank while reviving yes

[untold widget]

nothing

breaks

me

[vapid lichen]

kd having the peril cost be 25% of the stamina cost is insane

[half iron]

the only thing that breaks me is a hallowette cosmetic refresh without a big psyker collar

[vapid lichen]

kd is basically 5x-ing how long you can block no?

and you can use your stamina if you want during it

[untold widget]

if you have creeping flames and warp charges, you can block indefinitely as long as you vent on enough mobs

[tame venture]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad21eb2-b6b6-4407-a1e2-e3bef437222d/surgelllisi-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

so here's the build then

also weaps and relics

[vapid lichen]

i like using soulstealer instead of quietude but that's a personal choice i think

[untold niche]

@tame venture i don't think you need peril gen as long as your staff resistance isn't too shit

[untold widget]

I like soulstealer on void, but less so on surge

[vapid lichen]

yeah that's fair

[untold widget]

this is the way

almost identical to my build

actually

identical

[vapid lichen]

i like soulstealer because of illisi special and vent

[tawdry pasture]

brain burst

[untold widget]

I don't use illisi

so

yeah

[vapid lichen]

lol this is my exact build too

[tame venture]

well these my weapons

[untold niche]

tbh psykers builds are pretty boring :p

[tawdry pasture]

because purgatus light stuns the same as surge

then you can node elsewhere

but i aint say nothin

[untold niche]

but yeah the peril gen doesn't matter because you are going to quell at 90+ with 1/2 ticks anyway