psyker-class

[mighty cipher]

Not really. I’d say warp resistance is. Anything over 55 is good enough as long as you know your build rates.

[strong gulch]

First game of the day and it was laggy.

Rubber banding. Dogs sinking into the stairs then suddenly they are on me. Crushers not facing me and not in melee range one tapping me. No stagger on purg LMB on things it should be staggering. Enemies just sliding around.

[bright mica]

Check your Internet speeds.

[icy wyvern]

usually when that happens my wife is downloading hi-res pics of broccoli

[royal granite]

sorry sibling i know how that shit is

[bright mica]

Depending on your staff lower warp res is better

[icy wyvern]

big storms going through the east US so internet connectivity may be goofy

[strong gulch]

Internet speed is fine.

[bright mica]

you sureeeeee?

[strong gulch]

yip

[bright mica]

dang

then I'm sorry

maybe try switching server regions @strong gulch

I've noticed north east had stability issues lately

[royal granite]

in my experience that type of shit is caused by heavy packet loss rather than any issues with speed

[strong gulch]

I am sure it will be better later. It's holiday times in a lot of places plus the weakend. So maybe servers are sad.

[royal granite]

and i don't mean the type of packet loss you get from being on wifi, though i get snobby about that too, i mean when there's something genuinely wrong with the connection and it occasionally just decides to put your ping in the toilet for a couple seconds at a time

[icy wyvern]

my packets falling out my pockets all around my feet

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure yes but only on the left click

[mighty cipher]

All of psykers weapons share that dilemma. I think it’s the only stat in the game where it’s either really important or actively detrimental depending on your play style and build.

[icy wyvern]

diamantine to plasteel conversion when

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like any weapon that rewards light spam tends to result in more damage for me

Because I want to spam spam spam

[royal granite]

duelling sword :)

[glossy ember]

[mighty cipher]

listen here smartass

[royal granite]

:)

[bright mica]

nah but if you've never tried a DS4 Columnus gaze build you really owe it to yourself

[zinc phoenix]

no active quell on ds causes me serious consternation at least once a game

[bright mica]

It's a very effective very fun build

[royal granite]

same

[zinc phoenix]

I’ll be sitting there slamming the quell button and wondering why no fire hands 😂

[royal granite]

i ran force sword for such a long time, it's given me bad habits

"oh a gunner is shooting at me i will simply block"

[glossy ember]

only if you try a staff gaze build

[royal granite]

dead

[glossy ember]

[zinc phoenix]

It’s worse when you try it with heavy sword on your zealot 😂

[royal granite]

i never actually intended to make a duelling sword but then the emperor just gave me this

[misty star]

only 68% penetration. bricked smh

[royal granite]

smhing my shaking head

[mighty cipher]

I’ve found myself doing that on occasion, but the more common one is
”Why did my guard break? I only took 7 hits in less than a second? I had a whole 3 bars of stam left!”

[royal granite]

lmao yeah

[mighty cipher]

What 82% block efficiency does to an mf

[royal granite]

"i spent literally all my stamina sprinting over here on my zealot i can revive in the middle of this horde no problem"

[glossy ember]

see that's why i like knife

no sprinting issues

no stamina issue

[zinc phoenix]

70%+ mobility on ds is super fuckin dangerous

That’s the ledge launcher extraordinaire

[glossy ember]

no blocking issue (dodging makes you slide into a different mission)

[royal granite]

i love yeeting myself off (safe) ledges with the ds dodge

[glossy ember]

the start of the carnival

with the 5 ledges

[brave fiber]

I do that without the safe part

[royal granite]

oh yeah me too, i just don't love that

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d add a life alert trait to everyone’s tree that lets you self unledge

[royal granite]

i wish my psyker could do ONE SINGLE PULLUP

[bright mica]

the day I try staffgaze is the day I've been replaced or lobotomised

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

[zinc phoenix]

Ledge resistance trait for curios

[mighty cipher]

Do not fear the warp

[zinc phoenix]

Or the reaper

[mighty cipher]

Harness it like a blade

[zinc phoenix]

Seasons don’t, you shouldn’t either

[royal granite]

the reason gaze bothers me so much is that i usually like to edge my peril if i'm not running smite, which means that in every situation where i'd like to use gaze, i have to quell first or it'll just end immediately

[glossy ember]

ugh...

cringle

[mighty cipher]

It only takes like 2 seconds with a high quell staff

[royal granite]

hi im gunker

[glossy ember]

just get quell stat on ur gun

ez

force gun

[royal granite]

has anyone made use of the buffed staff whack?

[bright mica]

they buffed it?

that's nice

[royal granite]

yeah it has mad stagger on headshot now

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

It’s dope

[royal granite]

you can put a rager on his ass

[bright mica]

sounds genuinely useful when running knife if it can control ragers or crushers

[zinc phoenix]

Really fucking hard to remember it isn’t a commit sudoku button tho

[bright mica]

ty for lmk

[zinc phoenix]

I have to actively tell myself to use it

[dry compass]

Hello psyker mains, I just upgraded this knife and need help deciding which blessing to swap and what to swap to

[mighty cipher]

Uncanny->deflector
Catachan MKIII Combat Blade-> Illisi MKV Blaze Force Sword

[glossy ember]

i never think of using it

[mighty cipher]

I’ve beat a few sedition missions with it

[glossy ember]

groaner to maniacs

idk if you'd wanna swap executor to bleed...

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a knife so I’d pack a bleed blessing and stack crit chance

[dry compass]

Can't tell if you're being serious but I'm too used to the dagger's mobility

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not a knife user on any char but it’s perfectly valid choice on psyker

[mighty cipher]

I’m not.
But if you’re new to the class I highly recommend the unique melees. They’re strong as all fuck and the Force swords are unmatched defensive tools.

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like sg knife would probably be really nasty

Because you’re critting super hard and frequent

[dry compass]

Yeah I like building crit the most. I'll have to see if I even have the bleed blessing

[zinc phoenix]

But I’m not a Person of Math so am just going off vibes

[glossy ember]

bleed is good but executioner isn't bad

the problem is mainly because it's uncanny 3 and not 4

[zinc phoenix]

Meh

[royal granite]

knife is good, i don't use it, but i've seen people make use of the mobility to save what i'd thought were unwinable scenarios

[glossy ember]

they've been nerfing old armor rending blessings

so eventually uncanny 3 won't be 20% anymore

[mighty cipher]

Uncanny 3 still hits the 100% cap

[glossy ember]

yes

but check latest patch

they nerfed backstab blessing

because before you could hit 100% cap with lv3

now you need 4 for backstab blessing

push attack on knife can hit weakspot really well too so executor not too bad, even if crit bleed more reliable since less conditional and no ramp up

[zinc phoenix]

I’m too much of a baby to sacrifice my finger and mouse to the emprah for the unholy powers of the knife

[glossy ember]

just push attack

[untold widget]

I wonder, is there a gunker build that doesn't depend entirely on scrier's? Because I agree that the TTK on guns is nice, but I can't give up bulk enemy removal as my role as a psyker. Other gun-centric classes have grenades to compensate, but we don't. Creeping flames could provide that, but I'd have to give up so much crit that I feel like the TTK would go down the drain.

[zinc phoenix]

You can gunker without sg and loads do it

Your peril gen is ass when gunker so I’d avoid shriek fire builds

[mighty cipher]

As long as you have DD your DPS is still the nuts.

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t even need dd

[mighty cipher]

You need one or the other

[zinc phoenix]

Also a good number of people don’t like DD Pokémon

[quasi junco]

lol

[zinc phoenix]

You can still put top tier damage numbers on the board with gun and without either

[quasi junco]

I wonder if a critstrike build would work with DD as opposed to warp charges?

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, but at that point you’re just outskilling your teammates.

[zinc phoenix]

Or you pack a lot of firepower in the other picks you’ve made

And edge peril with whatever peril gen you do have to maintain the peril boost to dmg

And toughness DR of like 33%

New house has 200mbs down and it ain’t bad

[glossy ember]

for now i'd just keep as is and only swap groaners

to maniacs

[untold widget]

Is this why people build toughness regen so much? There some kind of acceptance that you're going to take damage while you're gunning so you build around it?

I've been working all this time on just not getting hit

[lilac depot]

I did it while playing as my psyker!

[zinc phoenix]

Damage is inevitable if you aren’t a total god so building toughness dr/regen and helpful resist keeps you alive

[dry compass]

Sorry realized I didn't reply. I'm not new to the class, but I rarely play it. My friend I always play with only plays psyker, so I end up on my vet or ogryn 99% of the time. My psyker probably has the best gear of all my characters

[zinc phoenix]

Some people can just not get hit even in auric maelstrom but for mere mortals 🤷‍♀️

[glossy ember]

i get hit but assail instantly kills lessers so i instantly get toughness back

soulstealer is so broki on assail for horde clear

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s important to get a feel for where you are skill wise and what you need to compete on your preferred difficulty, and that often means ignoring meta to better support you

Or at least bending it

[plucky flax]

My last game. 63hp damage taken

[kind jay]

should have taken 6 more

[zinc phoenix]

See like that’s just unreasonable 😂

[glossy ember]

top 0.1% sedition gamer

[plucky flax]

Played with the worst staff too.

[mighty cipher]

There’s a big difference between, inevitable damage and using your health as a resource. The higher your toughness gen the more aggressive you can be.

[plucky flax]

Remind me not to play purg ever again.

[zinc phoenix]

Burgatus

[glossy ember]

that's not surge staff

[zinc phoenix]

Based surge the special snapshotter

[mighty cipher]

Purgatus is good, I will mail those who don’t realize a pineapple.

[plucky flax]

For my own ranking it's worst.

[mighty cipher]

It’s the worst of the staves definitely but it’s by no means a bad weapon.

[zinc phoenix]

There’s that too. My gungryn has like absurd toughness dr and regen so can just shrug off anything less than a full gunner/crusher/rager mob. I play a LOT more aggressive with that

[thorn cedar]

All staves are good. Gun staff is best.

[smoky mulch]

I feel like it takes a touch less paying attention to use purgatus to it's fullest, but it's utility is more limited.

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah it's the easiest to play.

[zinc phoenix]

I only Burgatus with bb

[plucky flax]

Very chill.

[glossy ember]

purgatus hardest to play

i can't see shit with it

[smoky mulch]

lol

[plucky flax]

But it doesn't do much when teammates are good cos if they actually get in melee they kill chaffs faster than you can burn.

[zinc phoenix]

Because otherwise I mald from seeing stuff that is too far for me to hit

Those fuckers

Stealing honest psyker jobs

[smoky mulch]

I know I got a lot more use out of the other staves when I was able to switch back over to using a mouse to aim. vet and psyker were a bitch and a half when I was using a controler.

[eager mantle]

Taking a break with gunker. Been running purg and BR. Just got lvl 3 soul blaze blessing for trauma though. Gonna try it out

[zinc phoenix]

full melee vet

And the brauto

[smoky mulch]

I went heavy melee, and bolter, yea,

[thorn cedar]

I mean Vet is pretty much the strongest melee rn so

[plucky flax]

[zinc phoenix]

Idk man ogryn exists

[violet oak]

What difficultly?

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom zealot doesn't exist I guess.

[thorn cedar]

Ogryn toughest. Not kill ... est.

[plucky flax]

Auric maelstrom.

[zinc phoenix]

Martyr zealot is absolutely nuts

[violet oak]

And the zealot did that little?

[thorn cedar]

Vet just melts through loads of shit without much conditionals attached.

[eager mantle]

I prefer blazing piety over martyrdom

[plucky flax]

Yeah zealot was running purple melee and blue range weapon.

[violet oak]

Blow up their rations

[plucky flax]

Interesting guy.

[thorn cedar]

Zealot hits similar places but on condition and are ofc tankier

[patent wing]

as last man standing with purge/unyielding DS and wall - i solo fight nurgle or try to free?

[plucky flax]

When this guy saw me running stealth loner on zealot Xd

[thorn cedar]

BoN is a long fight

[patent wing]

i tried to free but i think fighting nurgle would be better

[zinc phoenix]

I’d run, bon can easily be outrun

[patent wing]

no other enemies around nurgle

[zinc phoenix]

It’s better to kill it but Burgatus takes a while to solo bon

[safe merlin]

which is better blood thirsty or Unstable power?

[violet oak]

If your team isn't halfway across the map, just go pick them up instead of soloing

[patent wing]

i think wall blocks her attack and if stay in front of her nothing happens

[patent wing]

yeah i tried but gunner killed me while reviving lol

[violet oak]

kill the gunner first

[patent wing]

didnt see him xx

[zinc phoenix]

Whenever I try to finish off boss solo before res I get a horde spawn

[untold widget]

Wait Really? I can't stand watching people whittle at hordes with melee when Purg can just wipe it all in a few seconds. There's absolutely no way melee kills trash faster than purg.

[violet oak]

Did you have no toughness?

[zinc phoenix]

Unless I’m mememing with stealth thammer and send the boss to outer space

[patent wing]

no

[violet oak]

im incredibly confused at the circumstances around that

[zinc phoenix]

You didn’t gunner resist 3x?

[thorn cedar]

I'll solo a spawn and pogryn but BoN is just unfun and a slog

[patent wing]

btw reviving counts as blocking?

[patent wing]

sniper res

[zinc phoenix]

Not for deflector

[patent wing]

but i might switch lol

[zinc phoenix]

Gunner is more generally useful

[dry compass]

Has anyone figured out if the -5% peril gen nodes affect SG buildup or not?

[zinc phoenix]

Sniper will fuck your day but gunners are goddamn everywhere in bulk

[jolly vale]

Have we gotten anything new with the recent update?

[patent wing]

i have trash curios with locked res vs hounds and so on...

[icy wyvern]

curios schmurios

[patent wing]

flamer res works vs both?

[zinc phoenix]

I’m personally convinced half the stuff doesn’t work and the other half is lying but I feel that way about every game

???

[patent wing]

tox flamer and normal flamer

[zinc phoenix]

You want a math and testing nerd for that question

[dry compass]

True. Some of the modifiers are so small it's just meant to make us feel better

[violet oak]

There was a guy posting graphs a day or so ago

[patent wing]

this patch i need bomber res anywqay

[zinc phoenix]

It works but it doesn’t add much time

[patent wing]

i feel diff honestly

[zinc phoenix]

From what I saw it took someone from 1.3s to 2s in fire from bomber

[violet oak]

The real play is simply kill the bomber

[patent wing]

im busy killing the hrode

[zinc phoenix]

Multiple bombers yeeting bombs while you’re dealing with rager mob and a mixed horde and it quickly becomes a shitshow

[eager mantle]

Don't have those peril gen nodes with scriers. Quell on weak spot hit on force swords is nutty to let me stay in scriers for an entire horde segment and then see my peril go from 20-100 in an instant

[patent wing]

i wish there was an option to disable the flame VFX at all

cant see shit

[violet oak]

Target priority, i can peril block the ragers all day.
I can't do that to a bomber

[patent wing]

but if u block, how do u kill

[violet oak]

Shove the ragers to the ground and line up a shot on the bomber/chase after it

[patent wing]

ds4 cant knock em down

[zinc phoenix]

It’s like the trappers who hide behind crushers and net you thru em. Like yea I’d gut it if I saw it but I didn’t see it and sometimes the launch is silent 😂

There’s some people who can sixth sense that shit

No noise no vis dodge it anyway

Always impressive

[violet oak]

the ticking red football is a pretty good indicator

[thorn cedar]

It's an easy trick

It's called PTSD

[rigid rune]

some people can't use their pskyer powers to divine the future smh

[violet oak]

They dont listen to their beloved

[zinc phoenix]

I can dodge one bomb no problem, I struggle when it’s multiple bombs with multiple flamers in a constrained space

While a lot of shit is going down

Especially when I get less than two seconds to be out of fire

And flamers are chunking me thru toughness

It’s a lot

[eager mantle]

And emperor forbid that a random poxwalker hits you while trying to run out of the bomb radius before it blows

[zinc phoenix]

I’d like to see a TTL pass on fire personally

If it’s gonna be that lethal it shouldn’t be the oceans of fire we currently see on auric damn

And if it’s gonna be that common it shouldn’t be that lethal

[violet oak]

Don't put yourself in a corner, and commit to the sketch if it means you won't die for another 5 seconds

[quasi junco]

they just need to copy spitters from l4d2

the damage amps up like crazy, but can be forgiving at the start

[violet oak]

Pretty often I dive through hordes of specials to shut down a flamer/bomber because those will end my run

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly agree, l4d2 nailed a lot of this shit

I especially miss environmental weapons

L4d2 knew how to spice up a run

[safe merlin]

does this still add range defection or just an extra 30% block?

[zinc phoenix]

I mean the words are pretty clear I think

[eager mantle]

Yea it's 1 thing to have a bomber where their cd to throw another is shorter than their fire's duration. It's another to have 4 of them chucking their bombs one after another on rotation

[zinc phoenix]

Christ almighty I’m getting PTSD flashbacks reading that

Should put a trigger warning: 🔥 😂

[eager mantle]

Lol when you're at a chokepoint for far longer than you want because the bombers keep blocking the way

[ornate hamlet]

Common Fatshark L

[icy wyvern]

when your whole team decides to split up and search for clues

[violet oak]

Had a team that caused that to happen yesterday, they sat at the edge of the fire letting the bomber throw more but unable to kill it

Had to tell them to back up so the bomber would move

[zinc phoenix]

“I’ll go join the team oops nope fire in the door and the bomber is out of LOS” x100

[icy wyvern]

gentlemen we must fight together, or surely we will hang seperately

[violet oak]

really smooth brain stuff

[zinc phoenix]

It honestly took me a few bombs to work that out for myself, it’s not an obvious solution

But it works

[eager mantle]

Sometimes you see a bomb phase through an unopened spawn door

[violet oak]

In auric damnation, explaining simple enemy behaviors to your team mates shouldnt be a thing

[zinc phoenix]

It’s always a bursted mid fall coming out of the door

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ some of us are old and don’t play 24/7/365

[eager mantle]

I've had lvl 100+ in my aurics place a medpack down with no enemies a room before the med stations

[zinc phoenix]

Ok come on who hasn’t done that at least once

[dry compass]

Not since last December if I'm honest

[eager mantle]

Not after learning the maps I haven't.

[zinc phoenix]

But both of you admitting you’ve done it 😂

[safe merlin]

how can I change this weapon to fit Disrupt destiny or should I continue with the soul blaze?

[eager mantle]

It's only going down a room away if the situation is actually dire

Lvl 100+ in auric though

[violet oak]

Number one excuse for not paying the slightest bit of attention, and then theyll have dropped twice your hours

[dry compass]

Okay yeah, but not in auric damnation. That shit happened in a malice mission while leveling my first character lol

[zinc phoenix]

I’m terrible at weapon builds because I don’t mathmax, you’d want someone like being selfish in war who really knows their shit

[ornate hamlet]

Given how that weapon's sole purpose seems to be setting hordes on fire

I think you're better off keeping it like that and not relying on it for DD

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve had a couple times where everyone was super low and I couldn’t remember exactly how far to the med station so I’ve popped it only to turn the corner and see it then 🤦‍♀️

It’s pretty uncommon but it happens

[dry compass]

Damn I might've been one of the people who flamed you if your team got upset from that 😬 I hate seeing medpacks wasted, just like watching someone die with a grim

[untold widget]

I only pop med packs on the flight out of a mission

[terse shore]

is fatshark going to fix warp battery at some point

[untold widget]

Whats wrong with it?

[plucky flax]

Well he missed out on solo player carry.

[terse shore]

was designed for when BB on anything gave you a charge

it's fucking cancer now

[untold widget]

I can't say I agree

Cancer in that you have a harder time maintaining 6 charges? or what

[quasi junco]

im going to try it, using DD instead of warp charges for a critstrike build

i usually get the most lesser enemies killed, so why not give this a try

[plucky perch]

out of curiousity did they ever fix the destiny capstones whole thing of almost never triggering?

[fading depot]

In his defense most solo loner zealots are useless

[quasi junco]

usually get captured, then immediately rage quit

[plucky flax]

Most seem to be really good from what I've seen.

[fading depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1178571161144131674/COMBATBLADE.jpg?ex=6576a0ed&is=65642bed&hm=c7fb84ca0446217adfb3cea5d977f1e28adfd418178f340c14c8568dcd8c81a5&

[worn cypress]

most seems to be good at a solo game

[fading depot]

🤨

[plucky flax]

Always a few rooms ahead when I'm not playing zealot myself and survive by themselves.

[fading depot]

The ones without knives at least

[terse shore]

considering i need to get an elite kill without getting KS'd every 25seconds against 3 people using meta shit on maps that need enough spawns to make the upkeep even possible in the first place AND troll by not use my fucking skill for 3mns,

[fading depot]

Yeah it's not hard to survive with insane mobility though, it's just that they're usually not actually helping the team much

[untold widget]

They survive by stealthing and sending all the mobs they pull to you to deal with

[terse shore]

yes it's fucking cancer to do and was not remotely though out with the current charges

[fading depot]

I don't trust knife zealots

[plucky perch]

i will admit i understand the zealouts addiciton to gota go fast, i have to hold my self back any time i play zealout

[terse shore]

it was designed arround old BB giving you a charge from any kill

[plucky flax]

I don't mind dealing with mobs.

[untold widget]

I don't have an issue getting warp charges, what's your build like?

[fading depot]

You shouldn't have an issue holding charges

At least not on histg

[worn cypress]

what difficulty are you playing at

is the important q

[smoky mulch]

I just kind of accept that capstone give me perks for doing my job well, and don't fret over needing to have it maximaised all the time.

[plucky flax]

Sedition.

[untold widget]

that too

[terse shore]

i'm farming auric maelstrom

and didn't get remotely close

[untold widget]

then... i don't...

[fading depot]

How

lol

[untold widget]

you gotta kill the elites

my guy

thats how it works

[plucky flax]

That's so pro I struggle in low intensity sedition.

[terse shore]

no shit

[fading depot]

There's so many specialists and elitles there's no way you can't pop them with your sped brain burst

You're using your ult right ?

[untold widget]

you don't even need brain burst

[fading depot]

foro the faster BB?

[untold widget]

just killing the elites

gives the charge

[terse shore]

except the shotgunnes that i can oneshot with surge the plasma cunts will just KS everything

i have to hope for 3 mn that i won't get all my elite kills stolen

[violet oak]

mission im in, med pack placement so whack youd cry

[terse shore]

fucking great

[fading depot]

So your problem is your teammates are too good

I wish I had that problem

[untold widget]

wait, I think i know what this is. you're going for the penance

[fading depot]

That would make sense

[terse shore]

well yeah

warp battery is the penance name

[fading depot]

If you're going for the penance then take brain burst

[terse shore]

i didn't mean getting charges in general

[untold widget]

it's also the name of the capstone 6th warp charge

[terse shore]

i have to stay at 6 for 300seconds

[fading depot]

Lock on to distant elites/specialists and pop them before anyone else can get them

[untold widget]

yeah I remember doing it

[terse shore]

oh yeah my bad

[smoky mulch]

does it work if you don't upgrade your ability to hold 6? can you hold it at the normal 4?

[untold widget]

my main advice if you're doing it with brain burst

is charge with RMB

[terse shore]

should've made it clear for the penance

[untold widget]

every time theres a sound queue

insta pop as they come around the corner

[smoky mulch]

is it "at your max" or "at real world max of 6"

[fading depot]

it'd help to drag some friends along who will let you get charges

[untold widget]

and use Psychic Vampire, stay in coherency and you should be fine

[terse shore]

i tried

[untold widget]

and your team has to be aggressive to keep triggering enemies

[terse shore]

the only thing i didn't try is purgatus spam

[untold widget]

I know the feelign

[terse shore]

and hope the 10% carries

[untold widget]

my best attempt I made before completing it ended with me at 299/300

its rough

i get it

[terse shore]

should've done it before the rework

[untold widget]

I did it after

going out with a bang is easier now, so at least we have that

[terse shore]

6 is better since i get higher damage

at least a better buffer for kill steals

guess i'm trolling all my auric runs until i finally get it

great design as usual fatshark

[untold widget]

you gotta maintain 6 charges for 5 minutes

can't be 4

[icy wyvern]

warp batter is definitely the hardest to get

anyone who said different is trying to look cool

[glossy ember]

counterpoint: in an not organized party, monstrum whatever is harder

[untold widget]

I think old Going Out With a Bang was harder, but current iterations, yes.

[plucky flax]

Pre 13 gang. It was ez.

[icy wyvern]

It has to be an organized party, since it's a private game.

[terse shore]

Malleus will be the hardest for me considering i have no friends

[untold widget]

I still need to do that

same

[worn cypress]

I still need to do the malleus stupid shit

[terse shore]

unless fatshark adds a solo mode

[worn cypress]

lol

[icy wyvern]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[worn cypress]

find a time siblings

[untold widget]

gross

we should group up and do it now

[icy wyvern]

the cdr stim might make the oggy charge penance easier

[worn cypress]

I’m out right now so have fun

[untold widget]

I was gonna test a DD Voidstrike build, but I'll put that on the back burner

[icy wyvern]

Im running it now

is fun

[glossy ember]

shame about that ammo roll

[icy wyvern]

goofy ahh stability too

idk how useful it is on laspistol but i cant aim normally so

need all the help i can get

[untold widget]

what sort of readout is that

do you play on a PC from 1992?

[glossy ember]

yeah

[icy wyvern]

what's the strat with duelling sword?

I can't figure out how it's better than force sword

[topaz dust]

Fasta

[bleak tulip]

two shotting crushers etc

less work to get to the good stab

you can just keep heavy stabbing shit

[icy wyvern]

Two shot crushers?

took me seven just now

[bleak tulip]

https://streamable.com/77q3s6

uncanny

[icy wyvern]

so it's blessing specific

[bleak tulip]

not entirely

its also got the highest damage of any DS

[orchid nest]

you should have uncanny on deimos too so it's just a given on the topic usually

[icy wyvern]

dude imagine having plasteel

[bleak tulip]

its just that the animations being insanely strong and the base damage being high too combined with uncanny leads to silly stuff like it being probably the best all round melee weapon in the game

[icy wyvern]

imagine being able to just farm blessings

[bleak tulip]

check melk too

[orchid nest]

you'll get there. uncanny 3 is perfectly useable and not too hard to get

[bleak tulip]

yeah you can just live with uncanny 3 as well

oh no youre only three shotting crushers

you usually will anyway

he isnt hitting the plogryn because its funny at the start, this is about as high as you can push ds4

usually you wont two shot em

but its still insanely strong

[orchid dirge]

guys quick question is this helmet alone supposed to change ur voice?

[bleak tulip]

I think that one doesnt no

the new one does

looks the same but in black with orange eyes

[icy wyvern]

do the DS blessings apply to all DS, or just the mk?

[bleak tulip]

all

[icy wyvern]

rad

[orchid nest]

DS4 has better stabbing dps since you don't have to reach H2 basically and better mobility and deimos has some nice utility and can be a little safer to play as with the 10m pushes and the headshots being strong cc. DS4 will reward you more the higher your skill level is

[bleak tulip]

I think it was ds2 that has the same heavy stab but inexplicably just less damage overall because lmao fatshark

[frozen osprey]

Oh shit they fixed that? Didnt even notice

[bleak tulip]

thats been the case since at least p13

[orchid nest]

all weapons in the same class yeah, across all characters who share those weapon types

but then you have things like the staves that are all technically different

[icy wyvern]

does shred stick around or just until your next crit

[frozen osprey]

Wow i do not pay attention

[bleak tulip]

timer

you can see in the video

[icy wyvern]

I've got shred 3 and uncanny 2

[bleak tulip]

you dont need shred, it just makes crits more consistent

you can also run rampage for some horde clear etc

its mostly uncanny thats the important blessing

[quasi junco]

holy shit, DD with a critstrike build fuckin slaps

I was at 15 stacks for a decent chucnk

chunk

[bleak tulip]

I keep telling people but they think they gotta bend over backwards to maintain stacks when you really dont even have to think about it most of the time

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi junco]

with critstrike you pierce like crazy, so blues hiding behind other mobs just get sniped so easily

[bleak tulip]

yup

[quasi junco]

im a huge fan lol

[orchid nest]

yeah dd is awesome. same voidstrike enjoyer. like if there is anything greater than chaff around you will get stacks, and if there is only chaff around for some reason you dont need stacks

[bleak tulip]

also with ds4 you can often just get like 9-12 stacks just from a random pile of bruisers standing around as you move through the level too

[orchid nest]

yeah

[bleak tulip]

just stab em in the head in order of simon says light up

takes no time at all

[orchid nest]

it gives you pretty good awareness too to be honest, always letting you see things streaming in to hordes and around corners and stuff

[icy wyvern]

any reason to use the special attack on ds4?

stagger?

[orchid nest]

yeah it's very strong stagger

[zinc phoenix]

Share build im curious

[quasi junco]

it was great on the new map, highlighting things for me in the smoke

[bleak tulip]

yeah DD also tells you weird places enemies can stand, like up in rafters and shit lol

[smoky mulch]

what's ds4 stand for?

[quasi junco]

dueling sword

[icy wyvern]

oddball is gonna shit on you for not running wildfire if you share your build

dont listen to him

[orchid nest]

poke em in the head with the special basically and it'll stagger most things including crushers and even charging mutants

[zinc phoenix]

Dude it’s been hours since you first got mad at me and you are still malding, get a life

[icy wyvern]

i have a life, its malding

this is my 9-5

the cia pays me to stay mad

[zinc phoenix]

And you’re running what, void + ds4?

[bleak tulip]

ye

[zinc phoenix]

Interesting

[glossy ember]

do you make use of the 30% quelling

[bleak tulip]

yeah its nice to have

you dont need it but its comfy

[glossy ember]

cuz not running empathic evasion always feels dangerous to me

but if you'r efine without then w/e

[bleak tulip]

makes like 1.5s difference on full quell which I still like doing sometimes even though its technically an edge build

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it feels weird to go hard on crit and then not take EE

There’s a couple other things that feel weird to me but overall I like the concept

[glossy ember]

could go elite damage aura if you don't care about EE

[bleak tulip]

I also never ran deflector I guess I just got used to sticking to cover and not relying on blessings or talents to help with ranged enemies?

idk

[icy wyvern]

deflector makes you feel bad ass

behold! i stop the bullets with my mind

lasers? those too!

is it based? is it meta? perhaps not

[quasi junco]

does deflector work on snipers?

[orchid nest]

can basically modify any gunker dd build to be void. can go more right there too and cross over still

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt recommend scriers with void tho

or any staff for that matter

[orchid nest]

yeah I'd cross over or do bubble if you take crit aura

[icy wyvern]

It can be done, but you're gonna be sweating the whole time lol

[mighty cipher]

You fear the warp

[bleak tulip]

no I fear my loss of dps and consistency

[icy wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-gif-21041319

me trying to manage my peril in scriers with staff

[bleak tulip]

maybe if youre running battle med and transfer peril you could get away with scriers but then what do you get

[icy wyvern]

If you're trying to get going out with a bang, though,

its a perfect build

[hot epoch]

[bleak tulip]

also I dont think you crit so consistently that you get a shitton of value out of EE tbh

its just 1 second

[zinc phoenix]

id personally rejig to this:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ad1241f-c84a-4a38-a73d-cd464c73752b

for the free damage from WF and the EE which feels like a gimme with a build that is getting a lot of crit

[bleak tulip]

like on purg you crit like 6 times a second so sure but on void?

[zinc phoenix]

that said i could see moving to bubble since this is a void build and you dont have wc to speed up shriek anyway

[bleak tulip]

wildfire is kinda stinky imo

[mighty cipher]

40% damage, 30% finesse, and 20% crit chance. For at least 10 seconds.

[mighty cipher]

Not even an opinion, it’s dogshit

[bleak tulip]

thats assuming you can maintain it for 30 seconds

[zinc phoenix]

its a lot of free damage and youve got fire anyway, but even if you ignore that EE makes a lot of sense

[strong gulch]

no

[orchid nest]

yeah I gathered you didn't like bubble much in general but it's definitely alright with a void build going crit aura/right side. you have pretty good horde clear already anyways

[icy wyvern]

im a little crosseyed and the fire helps me see bad guys better

[mighty cipher]

You don’t even need to do that. Precognition let’s you pop a bunch of heads and cash them in for stacks once you do hit 100

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire can give at most 4 enemies and single stack of soulblaze.

[untold widget]

Weep for me, siblings

[orchid nest]

you just have to hit the second blessing and its still a decent rending trauma

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire has one niche use and that’s spreading a couple stacks while you use a different weapon.

[bleak tulip]

next blessing is gonna be blazing and then you can sort of save it

[orchid nest]

oh wait rending 2 I thought it was 3

[glossy ember]

melee tho

and voidstaff lmb

[zinc phoenix]

if you spew a bunch of fire with shriek wildfire spreads it all over the place

[untold widget]

I was gonna change it to rending 4 if I got flurry but then both perks were ass

[thorn cedar]

i use wildfire as a flashlight

[zinc phoenix]

so it makes a LOT of sense when coupled with shriek

[bleak tulip]

if I want range dodge I an focusing on ranged enemies not meleeing shit near me

[zinc phoenix]

youre not using it for primary damage, youre using it for free damage

[untold widget]

1 stack of soulblaze isn't worth the point in wildfire, unfortunately

[bleak tulip]

I can do both at the same time with void

[gray pendant]

will warp flurry be any good on this?

[bleak tulip]

shoot through melee into the gunner

[zinc phoenix]

im not having this argument again, imo wildfire is very strong but yall can do what you want

[bleak tulip]

also if I am surrounded by melee enemies I dont need ranged dodge because theyre already shooting their melee dudes in the back

[mighty cipher]

But you could also just…. Have 5% cooldown reduction on Specialist/Elite kill.

[untold widget]

You're entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.

[orchid nest]

wildfire there is definitely a flex point. taking it if you really like it isn't the worst but it's only really good for raising stacks coupled with other sources or proccing warp charges

[quasi junco]

i thought wildfire only good on blaze trauma builds?

[mighty cipher]

I’m biased as shit towards the talent and I’m telling you right now it’s objectively dogshit

[untold widget]

It's not good on any build

[glossy ember]

fire is booty

[terse shore]

just had to complain i guess

[glossy ember]

[terse shore]

got the the next game lmao

[untold widget]

if it distributed 4 stacks from the total stack count until stacks ran out, it would be good

it doesn't

[bleak tulip]

imo its just not enough damage to outweigh 5% toughness DR or the quell speed is all

[quasi junco]

so is wildfire bugged? Or shit tooltip?

[bleak tulip]

wrong person

[untold widget]

shit tooltip

[orchid nest]

yeah it isn't impactful enough sadly

[mighty cipher]

Every now and again you’ll get a sniper kill that you never saw, but otherwise it’s only real benefit is getting a few extra chances at some warp charges with IFR

[bleak tulip]

its technically not a wrong tooltip, but it doesnt tell you it doesnt add stacks once they already have 4

[untold widget]

if something dies with 21 stacks on it, 1 stack gets dstributed to 4 enemies, and then 17 stacks evaporate into nothingness

[mighty cipher]

Extremely misleading tooltip

[bleak tulip]

so if you creeping into a group, they only spread outwards to enemies without stacks

[untold widget]

and even then, they only get 1 stack

[bleak tulip]

or keep 2-3 stacks for a little longer which wont happen because they all die around the same time from 6 stacks anyway

[orchid nest]

yeah and those guys take like maybe 20 damage from it or something if you're lucky and its not even clear it did anything other than pad a scoreboard slightly since the person that hit them next prob 1 shot them anyways

[bleak tulip]

I wouldnt see it like that, there is plenty of enemies where a few tickles can help an unoptimized build hit a BP

[untold widget]

I really don't think it does

[bleak tulip]

its not just ego stroking

[safe merlin]

After testing.... I was not able to get no more than 2 stacks of warp charge from soul blaze while in melee.

[orchid nest]

it's minor enough in this case that I don't think it often does but I agree with your point in a general sense of things

[bleak tulip]

well yeah not like 2 stacks of SB type of tickle damage but almost anything helps

[untold widget]

you should be using Psychic Vampire with WS, the soulblaze is only usable with purgatus

[zinc phoenix]

taking psyk aura is mandatory, that skill is nuts

[mighty cipher]

I’d say it works with Blaze Trauma.

[zinc phoenix]

you need a real good reason to not have it

[safe merlin]

I was trying to get Warp charges.

[zinc phoenix]

100% true

[bleak tulip]

oh I wasnt referring to you

[untold widget]

Only in Hi intensity missions where enemy density is high enough, PV still generates more charges though

[zinc phoenix]

issue with trauma is it tends to fucking annihilate a lot of things with the primary damage so the soulfire effect isnt as pronounced

while psychic vampire is unaffected

[mighty cipher]

Ironically enough it’s also the ONE TIME that wildfire is actually decentish. Since the thing blazed just has to die while your debuff is applied.

[untold widget]

the primary damage is only in the center anyways, the rest of it is just knockback

[mighty cipher]

You haven’t seen the light

[zinc phoenix]

i run soul trauma all the time

[mighty cipher]

Then have you noticed how one crit blasts lights the entire fucking mission on fire?

[zinc phoenix]

yes, and ive also noticed that my allies generally arent mongs who wait for things to die from fire

so its generally more reliable to have psychic vampire

[mighty cipher]

The blaze itself doesn’t need to kill

[zinc phoenix]

im super skeptical about that

[mighty cipher]

It just has to die while YOUR soulblaze is applied .

[zinc phoenix]

also soulblaze overwrite is so fucky

and so common

[bleak tulip]

thats how its been for the longest time at least

[mighty cipher]

That’s if you have multiple blaze psykers

[zinc phoenix]

yes

[bleak tulip]

first stack of SB makes you own the stack which is pretty easy with trauma

[zinc phoenix]

its pretty common to run into other psykers running at least one of shriek, purgatus or wf/pc

psychic vampire handles that fine, IFR does not

i like the guarantee

ymmv

[mighty cipher]

Not really. Not enough to warrant making your build play around it. IF your own gameplay is centered around blaze.

[bleak tulip]

idk I dont play trauma as much as void and even though I run blaze trauma I still dont use wildfire or IFR, vampire is just more consistent overall imo

[zinc phoenix]

agree

[orchid nest]

I'm not sure how this new psychic vampire works but the old version was even better when multiple psykers had it

[bleak tulip]

might not be optimal but whatever

I run fuckin auric pubs so optimal isnt gonna make or break it 99% of the time

[zinc phoenix]

i just dont like risking getting shithosed because i didnt know the other guy packed an incredibly common fire trait

especially when warp charges are so critical

[bleak tulip]

also player mistakes very quickly turn an optimal build into you sitting on the ground anyway, people overfocus on the best builds

[zinc phoenix]

could not agree more

[bleak tulip]

mfers out there pulling wins out of nothing with weirdo builds like agentchaos

[zinc phoenix]

i saw a dude running around who used nothing but his ds and hard carried auric damn

[mighty cipher]

IFR builds faster stacks if YOU are actively trying to generate them.
Vampire allows you to offload the work to your teammates.

[zinc phoenix]

i was like motherfuckin excuse me lmao

[mint pivot]

bitch please my smite+purgatus build fucks everything up until a single sniper ruins the entire run

[zinc phoenix]

lmao

[bleak tulip]

I mean sure but vampire also counts your kills

so its just more consistent imo

I tried both

always go back to vamp

[zinc phoenix]

not needing to killsnipe to maintain stacks is very nice

its just a huge mental load off

[mighty cipher]

Consistency is nice. I really like my burst options though.
Agree to disagree?

[mint pivot]

No

[bleak tulip]

I mean I dont even consider this an argument as much as a matter of taste

[mint pivot]

u dumb 😄

[bleak tulip]

both work im sure

[mighty cipher]

Fair enough

[bleak tulip]

I just like one thing more lol

[mighty cipher]

A civil discussion. Splendid.

[mint pivot]

Why in hell anytime i try to run shriek i just end up being miserable for the whole run due to lack of shields?

And when i run shields, i have way too many prime opportunities to shriek...

[mighty cipher]

Cause you aren’t adapting to a different build.

Psyker is the most build+play style dependent of the classes.

[mint pivot]

I just want to run smite assail build with shriek and shield...

[mighty cipher]

You change one ability/blitz/aura and your gameplan changes on a fundamental level.

[mint pivot]

Ye its kinda interesting after playing zealot and such

Also the fucking gamble on which build to use for current mission and team setup

[violet oak]

Have you considered, warframe?

[bleak tulip]

I would do anything to trade my one talent point I gotta spend on a blitz on even just having a basic shield

[mighty cipher]

Shield assail is anti-ranged stuff.
Shield smite is sheer support.
Shield BR…. The fuck is this combo?

[mint pivot]

For about 3k hours

[orchid nest]

whispers soon

[violet oak]

Shield BR…. The fuck is this combo?
Ogryn eating rations behind the slab shield while a demonhost bangs on it energy

[bleak tulip]

I would take even the basic ass directional shield over any blitz, personally if I could fill the blitz slot with something that isnt a blitz lol

[mighty cipher]

Fair enough.

[mint pivot]

Shield BR = "oh look 1203138 gunners, let me just stare at them while immune to dmg and their heads go POP POP POP"

[violet oak]

To be honest, thats a "pull out a staff" or gun moment

[zinc phoenix]

I agree, I think there’s legit choice here

[orchid nest]

I feel the same way when playing void and only void. I usually just take assail cause its like a little better at taking out spread out gunners and I find I'll almost never use smite because void cc is sufficient for me

[mighty cipher]

I’ve only ever seen 1 guy with shield and BR

[bleak tulip]

I stopped using ass ail because I ended up basically never using it lol

[untold widget]

I want a Bolt staff from VT2 with Surge blessing on it

[mint pivot]

I want smite as a staff...

[bleak tulip]

so I went to smite so I can salvage my auric pubs when they get overrun by ragers or something

[mighty cipher]

Surge staff?

[orchid nest]

yeah I only really use it for gunners and for melee weaving them for staggers. not much either. like you said, barely use any blitz as it in general

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, voidstrike staff builds are kinda their own category of build.

[mint pivot]

It feels so fucking satisfying to gigabrain and 1tapping a running bomber/trapper from otherside of the fucking planet

[zinc phoenix]

I do shield/br with trauma sometimes but mostly br shriek. BR is good for compensate loss of long range

[orchid nest]

you honestly don't even need a combat ability as voidstrike either, going true aim with full warp charges and camping the warp charges permanently works very well with void. you can path through shriek so you still have an emergency button

[quasi junco]

im debating going flat shield instead of bubble on void

[mighty cipher]

BR is so much better than people give it credit for. I don’t get it.

[quasi junco]

since I'm using DD now I dont have the CD

so having two shields w ould be nice

[mighty cipher]

Actually it’s probably because I started after the Talent overhaul and never got to experience whatever the fuck the game was before that.

[orchid nest]

I like br but I usually only take it with trauma and purg

[mighty cipher]

I will say that it needs a specific kind of build, or niche fill in spot.

[spice veldt]

i despise BR because i've been stuck with it for a while and i dislike its design

if the RMB is still 3 seconds base, then i will continue to dislike it very much

[orchid nest]

well.. yeah I can agree with that. let me amend what I said - I like what BR brings to those two builds but yeah the qol and useability on it can be frustrating

[mighty cipher]

Quality of Life? BR spits in your cereal and shits in your sink.

[orchid nest]

[zinc phoenix]

I want them to change BB to instant use with a post use CD

And bump that damage button to 11

[mighty cipher]

Eh, I think it just needs a little tuning in its current form.

[orchid nest]

yeah it needs to either be instant/short cast or do consistent fast damage as a hold until you are forced to release it

[mighty cipher]

The manual charge takes an obscene amount of time.

[spice veldt]

i'd add something like making so that it charges faster if your cursor is over your locked-on enemy

[zinc phoenix]

The current form works but I’d love for it to absolutely fucking clap some stuff

[strong gulch]

Thanks but no thanks emp. It was close but not close enough.

[mighty cipher]

That would be nice

[spice veldt]

yeah it's just too simple of a weapon and i guess they're afraid of making a simple weapon strong

[zinc phoenix]

That’s fair

[spice veldt]

so i'd add a bit of fluff in the form of that

[strong gulch]

assail tho

There are some interesting things you can do with assail at least

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I think assail is low skill floor low skill ceiling

[orchid nest]

what would you guys think about it just being a consistent damage on a channel with fast damage intervals that doesn't end until either the target dies or you cap peril with the backoff that smite has. and then if the target dies it plays the cast end animation it currently has

[mighty cipher]

That sounds boring as fuck to use.

[orchid nest]

I mean if that is boring then the current one is more boring by default. it can reach the same damage as the current one by the time you would reach the same cast time and its a pure upgrade

[spice veldt]

i'd add some cooler effects to an Empowered BB, like giving it an AoE of some sort or making it inflict Cerebral Lacerations
Since I don't think it's going to ever compete in DPS, I'd lean into some "neat" effects like that

[mighty cipher]

I honestly think it would feel 10x better if you could seamlessly switch between hard lock and soft lock.

[mighty cipher]

I’m actually surprised it doesn’t have an extra AOE with EP. Didn’t it originally have an AOE afterblast?

[zealous hinge]

I haven't touched psyker since before the skill tree update, what weapons should I be rocking?

[spice veldt]

Perilous Combustion used to be an upgrade for Brain Rupture yeah

it inflicted soulblaze in an area on hit

[mighty cipher]

Damn

[zinc phoenix]

I agree, BB upgrades are mostly “do it faster” and “do it more” but I’d love to get some “does different thing” upgrades

Like vet can make their shout either super spammy or slow recharge and low range but aoe instant rez giving you two choices that a reasonable person could make arguments for picking

I’d like to see some “use case change” stuff for BB

[orchid nest]

kinetic flayer should honestly just be changed to something like that. I know some people like it but the main use of it pre rework was the easy warp charge management and now.. yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Like converting it from the long range auto tracking BB to short range manual aim crazy damage

[spice veldt]

yeah, more interesting upgrade side-grade stuff

[mighty cipher]

As much as I love my funny supercrit.
Yeah…….

[spice veldt]

brain burst should be more of the "3rd weapon" thing for psyker of all the blitzes

[summer prairie]

let me tag multiple targets and then brainburst them all at once

[mighty cipher]

I would become sloppenheimer for that

[zinc phoenix]

I would personally swap bb and assail position then turn it into a short range manual aim beast of an attack

[spice veldt]

mmmm that could be interesting

change RMB to a tag mode for BB

or something to that effect

[mighty cipher]

10 second charge up but five target mark?

Can mark the same target multiple times for big damage?

[orchid nest]

right click could also store an instant cast to charge in down time and current ep could be aoe instead. just basically on upgrade on its current function, you spend the time precasting it but then don't have to sit there holding it

[mighty cipher]

I wouldn’t mess with the positioning. It feel perfect as is.

[zinc phoenix]

I think assail is a weird fit for gunker while a short range thunderclap style BB would be a really cool fit

[spice veldt]

i'd make smite the short-range damage dealer if anything

[zinc phoenix]

I’d be down

The aoe stagger is kinda weird

[spice veldt]

change smite's LMB into a lightning punch or whatever, and the RMB to a more interesting AoE stun (shorter range, shorter duration, less of a "hold button to stun enemies and yourself")

assail is neat for a magic cowboy where you enter a gameplay loop of shoot -> swap to throw shard -> go back to shooting and whatnot

but I still think that it has too much ammo and can still just be spammed

[orchid nest]

yeah I enjoy the melee aspects of it too since the stagger is so strong, quick swapping between it and melee just to stagger elites and finish them off

it feels very appropriate in the gunker spec with a DS flinging them out while poking away

[spice veldt]

they could add some stuff to assail to very strongly encourage you to quickswap, like having a faster regen for x seconds on hitting a weakspot with another weapon or something

stuff that acts as both a balancing mechanic and as a way to nudge players into the right direction of how to use it

[orchid nest]

I think it should have originally just been you have those X amount of shards that are visually represented and they don't regen, they return to you instead. so you have to quickswap to be efficient, but they also hit stuff while returning to you. balance would have to be completely different on it of course though

[untold widget]

fly by wire assail

ultimate skill shots

[zinc phoenix]

They have several traits that give you bonuses for warp for non warp and non warp for warp, no one cares tho 😂

[spice veldt]

at least this way, their shards will get held hostage unless they hit a weakspot with another weapon

[untold widget]

would ruin assail surge staff

[spice veldt]

i think weakspot stuff is going to be one of the more interesting ways to throw in a "do X for faster regen" mechanic, so I'd still want it even if it ruins synergies with some weapons

and there's always melee

[orchid nest]

malefic momentum is pretty often looked over for some reason true, it's weird. the synergy is really high quick swapping in melee with a shred/uncanny DS. the shards are stacking uncanny, the DS is keeping perfect timing and MM up, you are stopping your peril from decaying to keep warp rider high

[untold widget]

yeah I guess. I tend to avoid melee as much as possible, so it'd definitely force me to beat on stuff more

[fallow dock]

Alr finally got my psyker to level 30 and have two talent points I'm iffy about, should I go for crit chance + Kinetic Deflection or just a toughness increase + toughness damage reduction

[untold widget]

post whole build

gameslantern editor helps get it all in one go

[spice veldt]

i'd grab kinetic deflection personally

if you're not comfortable in melee or not running stagger weapons, that'll give you safety in melee

and will help with revives in hordes

[glossy ember]

malefic momentum sorta does that

[plucky flax]

KD will save you when you need it the most.

[fallow dock]

I lied I'm actually level 29 lol

Currently in the second pic the +15 toughness on the bottom left is temporary since I can't get KD rn

[untold widget]

well, first of all drop wildfire. Probably drop Psychic Leeching as well, pick up perfect timing and KD. what weapons do you run?

[fallow dock]

Illisi Force Sword and either Surge or Trauma staff

[plucky flax]

Wildfire my beloved.

[glossy ember]

remove toughness node and psychic leeching and you can get it

kd I mean

[fallow dock]

Awesome ty, so psychic leeching is overkill I assume with the ones that give you toughness for perils/quelling?

[glossy ember]

it's kinda meh

[fallow dock]

Ahh ok

[untold widget]

and perfect timing is a pretty large damage increase as well, which wildfire is not

[fallow dock]

Ok bless ty

And then what should I spend my last talent point on when I get level 30?

[glossy ember]

uhhh

[echo turtle]

MM is only reliable able to be procced for throwing out assail after killing stuff with a melee weapon or gun, otherwise it's just never up

It's alright in a build that leans on assail but otherwise it's typically a dead talent

[untold widget]

hard to say. I like True aim with Trauma with blaze on it, but you'd either have to give up BB augment or one of the toughness nodes, maybe Soulstealer

[glossy ember]

if you wanna keep wildfire

[orchid nest]

yeah but you should be doing both of these things in a gunker build quick swapping it since it procs blessings, and mind in motion is a dead talent that can be overcome with proper technique

[untold widget]

Wildfire lies to you

[glossy ember]

hey i don't use fire so

[untold widget]

you deserve better

[glossy ember]

im just saying

if the man wants the wildfire

here's what he got

[echo turtle]

Mind in motion isn't a dead talent at all when using scriers

[plucky flax]

Ep bb why tho

[untold widget]

he doesn't want the wildfire, he just doesn't know why yet

[echo turtle]

It's actually a mandatory talent for scriers builds

[orchid nest]

I disagree I guess, I slide a lot with a DS though

[glossy ember]

yeah MM fucks with assail it's nice

[plucky flax]

Me doing multiple 1 millions plus damage rounds thanks to wildfire.

[untold widget]

confirmation bias

you'd still hit the million damage without it

[glossy ember]

in fact you might hit more

[plucky flax]

Impossible I haven't done it.

[fallow dock]

But funni blue glow

[glossy ember]

since you'd spend the point elsewhere

[near wyvern]

Siblings, I made a build with new revolver that actually works

[echo turtle]

Yup, maxing the damage bonus from SG needs MM so you can walk at full speed while quelling, it also effects your dodges while quelling

[plucky flax]

[glossy ember]

if you decide to forego wildfire you can get another point in a toughness node for extra safety

or get empathic evasion

[untold widget]

less good without purg tbh

[plucky flax]

Ep bb

[near wyvern]

There is no point in aiming at maxing out your stacks every time, especially if you go with guns and assails. Just take the finesse upgrade and use it as a boost when you need it.

[orchid nest]

I am really confused about what you mean here. I don't need to actively quell much in a SG build

[echo turtle]

I didnt say every time

[orchid nest]

and if I do I'll slide

[near wyvern]

It's not that bad especially with purge or trauma since you can one shot ragers now

[glossy ember]

its what the man wants

[echo turtle]

Players only want EP BB until they taste true power

[near wyvern]

EP assail?

I have a good moment with that

[plucky flax]

I'd only use ep with assail indeed.

[echo turtle]

EP makes assail a lot better, but DD slots into most assail builds really well so it's a toss up

[plucky flax]

Ep on the other 2 blitz are low impact and could be spent elsewhere imo.

[echo turtle]

15 stacks of DD make the illisi strongk

[glossy ember]

[echo turtle]

Guns too

[glossy ember]

should i try EP with scrier...

[fallow dock]

But bb is funny head pop

[echo turtle]

It's dece

You get so so many more assail bolts out

Not uncommon to open up into a fight with 3 stacks and earn 3+6 more empowered assails in the volley

Kind of doubles the output

[glossy ember]

[plucky flax]

I forget I have bb when I play with it sometimes.

[near wyvern]

You tell me (link takes you to the moment I refer to)
https://youtu.be/mY2jlkkG5Cw?t=410

[glossy ember]

this looks so silly

lmfao

[orchid nest]

Oh I get what you mean now. Yeah, like I said, this is something that can be overcome with technique and I have thus I don't need it

But also I agree with what pygex said too

[glossy ember]

it looks so chill too

[echo turtle]

Nice I love the flow there, the build is EP, scriers crit synergy eh?

[strong gulch]

You play SG surge staff. Of course it looks chill.

[glossy ember]

okay well

yeah i don't have an answer to that

[strong gulch]

😂

[near wyvern]

Yup, with new knife and new combat blade, all the weapons in the kit just love the finesse and crit from gaze, including Assails

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I would run it in an assail EP gun build but probably not if I took a staff

Really depends on what I feel I need to give up for it.

[echo turtle]

Ye, I have been meaning to try the new knife, the DS kind of replaced the old knife for me and I eventually just migrated over to illisi/deimos for the horde clear they can do

[orchid nest]

I think the only time I take mind in motion is if I am forced to because I am starting right and am going to shriek

[echo turtle]

So, I'll have to give that a go it looks real fun

[plucky flax]

Seems hard. I play creeping flame assail new laspistol and get nearly 1m damage with minimal effort.

[near wyvern]

You can check out the optimal strings for the new knife in that video, just check the timestamps and drag yourself to the correct spot in the beginning of the video

[echo turtle]

I've been enjoying it for walking around after a fight when scriers is still up and just keeping it going to get the max finesse and damage before the next engagement, and it just is such a QoL take

[echo turtle]

Optimal strings are the knife attack patterns? What do you mean by optimal strings?

Also better buffs, does that add all that info on the HUD that is under your cross hair?

[glossy ember]

poor pygex, stepped 0.1s in fire and instantly died

[echo turtle]

Lol

[orchid nest]

it is a bit of a qol I will agree but you can still move at your speed while quelling by sliding during it. so if you don't like spamming slides I understand, but it's normal high level gameplay to keep your stamina high anyways

[glossy ember]

bro died outside of fire, from a fire tick

[echo turtle]

Knife blessings are uncanny and flesh or shred?

[near wyvern]

The only valid situations to pick mind in motion is when you have to cross over it or if you are planning to play gaze and want to be able to extend it a bit during down times

[near wyvern]

Attack patterns to use against single and multi targets

For optimal damage and safe optimal damage

[echo turtle]

What are the optimal now?

Those stabs were block attacks?

[orchid nest]

I guess I don't even feel the need to extend scriers during downtime to begin with. I'd rather get my damage period over for what I intended it for and get back to being able to safely use assails to stagger things

[echo turtle]

That's definitely the play most of the time, but when you can walk and quell and get the 10 seconds of +40% and +30% into a fight it does feel great

[orchid nest]

infact I am much more likely to do the opposite, i'll generate peril to end it earlier and get on with my day

[echo turtle]

It depends on the situation

[orchid nest]

I can agree with that part

[echo turtle]

Without MM you can't walk around and rack up the buffs. Not that it is always the answer but keeping a huge buff in your back pocket to open a fight with is nice

Pyg, what blessings for the las pistol?

[glossy ember]

solution:

take both mind in motion and malefic momentum

[echo turtle]

If u got the points definitely

[near wyvern]

For new knife optimal single (and multi when stacked up) it's push attack spam.

When they are spread out, optimal damage is H1H2 cancel, but that's unsafe. L1H2 is your best safe optimal multi target when they are spread if you mix in dodged, only slightly behind H1H2 cancel.

You can perma stagger maulers with Push attack Special spam, also works to knock a rager off their attack string but after that you gotta transition into the push attack spam or they will have enough time to get back to the attack string.

These are obviously only usable against a single mauler/rager and in case of ragers the timing is quite tight to not get hit if they focus you so most often you are better off using your ranged but if you find yourself off position it's a good last resort to buy yourself some time.

[echo turtle]

Thanks

[glossy ember]

been playing with this since yesterday

it's goated

[orchid nest]

this is the part I disagree with though. you can, it just takes a little more effort. that is the qol part I agree with though, it's certainly easier to not have to slide

[echo turtle]

Yeah I wish FS would just make charges interact with scriers properly and it would be my go to 100% of the time

It feels bad giving up 6 charges to get 0 CDR

Either let us keep the charges or give us the CDR Fatshark god damn

[orchid nest]

you can even sprint-jump-slide for a really long slide animation that is typically long enough in normal circumstances to quell like 70% of your bar at least

[echo turtle]

Once the perils gets going real fast sliding won't keep you under 100%

That's the only issue

[near wyvern]

Between the Eyes + whatever rocks your boat. I would use Run N Gun for it as the second blessing if it had one. Believe it or not.

The hipfire on that thing is insane

[glossy ember]

i just cope by telling myself scrier is 2.5 warp stacks for damage and 4.5 stacks for peril generation

[echo turtle]

Interesting

[orchid nest]

I guess so. this is when I would end or would have ended it, I can respect the playstyle though, so I'll change my opinion some

[echo turtle]

I'll caveat my steel man on MM with it is less effective when not using a staff.

I am more inclined to take it if I am doing surge scriers but now that surge never hits weakspots the build doesn't feel as good

For a bit I was doing surge DD and scriers, you could get wild damage bonus from it when it hit weakspots or crot, but now it never gets the +70% from weakspots so it's not a build I love as much now

Effectiveness aside, when running a peril hungry staff like surge that talent feels excellent to have, it's noticable with how much dodging you do on the quell

[orchid nest]

yeah surge is in a weird spot for me now

[echo turtle]

I'm going to try a pistol/assail/knife build though, it looks really fun

[glossy ember]

@near wyvern when in the world do i use rmb on assail

[orchid nest]

it's a lot of fun for sure

[glossy ember]

i never know what to use it for

[near wyvern]

When you run creeping flames. You use 1-3 LMB into 1 RMB into weapon swap to build up peril.

[echo turtle]

Same, it's been my favourite for a while and still absolutely crushes but I have noticed it seems most efficient just stacking warp siphon and cycling between 70% and 100% and. Not using a blitz almost at all, other than to horde clear with shriek or pump damage into an elite pack

[orchid nest]

long range gunners and snipers and stuff too so you can throw it and break los

[near wyvern]

You always do LMB into RMB if you have creeping flames + assails

[glossy ember]

it feels very unreliable when i try

the bolt just kinda fucks off midway to the gunner lmao

[orchid nest]

usually works well enough for me but yeah some shards do have a mind of their own sometimes

[echo turtle]

Their heads glow blue when the assail is locked on

Rmb is targetable like BB

[glossy ember]

ohhh

[orchid nest]

yeah

[echo turtle]

If the head glows, you're good to goes

[glossy ember]

lemme try in training mode

[orchid nest]

my bad I thought you knew that

[echo turtle]

If you don't see blue, wait a few

RMB on the empowered is real strong

[glossy ember]

ohhh there's a little flash

[orchid nest]

yeah I agree with this, how I would go too

[glossy ember]

well shit that's 20% peril

[orchid nest]

yeah its like a mini bb with the lock on, use it the same exact way as you would bb to counteract its long range weakness. throw it at random gunners hiding and stuff

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I was using it in a few different builds. Ultimately the perils mitigation and damage from charges and being able to get more charged shots in the high perils sweet spot did the most for efficiency in my experience

[glossy ember]

does it do more damage?

[orchid nest]

it does yeah

[echo turtle]

Way more

Like, base 100 to base 300 or something

[orchid nest]

like 350 base vs 200 I think?

[glossy ember]

huge

i gotta incorporate this in my gameplay

[echo turtle]

Regular assails are base 100 according to he took top, which is seldom accurate

[echo turtle]

Yeah it's really good when used at the right moments

[orchid nest]

hmmm

[proven ocean]

stupid tooktops

[echo turtle]

According to the tool tip*

These tooktops are goobledeguk

[orchid nest]

I was just going off the patch notes but I misremembered a little

[glossy ember]

that's 1k damage on a gunner

[glossy ember]

wtf

[echo turtle]

Yeah

[glossy ember]

at 6 ws 5 pt

[echo turtle]

Empowered it can one shot

Maybe on a crit

[glossy ember]

oh it one shot trapper

[echo turtle]

If I am. It mistalen

One shot trapper on EP? Or natty?

[glossy ember]

6ws 5pt

[echo turtle]

Ah gotcha

Decent

[orchid nest]

the right click is genuinely good to counteract it's normal weaknesses and use empowered shards on gunners and stuff. it's why that initial "nerf" to it in patch 14 was such a joke, it made it more versatile overall

[glossy ember]

0 pt it hits for 853 dmg so no one shot

[signal cave]

What's the current meta build for movement?

[glossy ember]

uhh

knife?

[signal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/kots-straal-spugen-vomit-puke-gif-14891152

[glossy ember]

hey

you asked for movement

😠

[orchid nest]

scriers with move speed, disrupt destiny, 5% movement node, movement speed on crit toughness talent, knife or dueling sword

[near wyvern]

@glossy ember like others said you can use it for long range shots but also you use it to build up peril

Example:
https://youtu.be/wNoJPFX64jk?t=1558

[signal cave]

Saber got 15% dodge distance

knife 13

[near wyvern]

Knife is life

[glossy ember]

hm does it track around corners?

[near wyvern]

Who gives a fudge when knife makes you sprint faster. True chads sprint slide.

[glossy ember]

ok how about that sprint speed bro

and sprint economy

[signal cave]

as it throws you off ledges, with zealot?

nop

[near wyvern]

Yes, you only need to get a glance at them and if they run behind the corner even before you release it's going to track and chase them

[signal cave]

curio, doesn't work

[glossy ember]

ooo

it doesn't bump into walls?

neat

[orchid nest]

I wish I had a mod that averaged out move speed and gave you a tooltip idea of how you're moving because I know logically the knife with heavy charge slides should be faster but DS slides feel way smoother to me

[near wyvern]

It can bump into walls but it's just gonna wall hop and continue

[glossy ember]

[glossy ember]

smh