I'm going insane btw
#psyker-class
shrewd holly
obtuse moth
4% unless you have a soulblaze build and wildfire. or if more than half of enemies die with soulblaze on them. it has a 2.5x conversion efficiency but you probably want to reach the 50% soulblazed enemy threshold for consistency
fading depot
You're overthinking it honestly. With needles you can take care of any specials you need to and shriek is your good backup to prevent explosions or if you NEED instant CC
Duel sword takes care of maulers/crushers
shrewd holly
4% unless you have a soulblaze build and wildfire. or if more than half of enemi...
Do they count if they die while soulblaze is on them or they have to die FROM soulblaze?
stray lion
Ah... of course I just got one with 80 dmg/finesse/warp and 79 first target 😂
fading depot
Do they count if they die while soulblaze is on them or they have to die FROM so...
It counts if it's on them
vast yew
Jury is still out on whether the 10% Soulblaze procs if an ally get the kill btw
fading depot
But it has to be YOUR kill
vast yew
Atheneum has it listed as "still needs testing"
fading depot
Oof
obtuse moth
You're overthinking it honestly. With needles you can take care of any specials ...
im not overthinking it, i don't think on it. there is a very different function in use for those skills in actual play. maybe it doesn't work for you but it does for a lot of people.
hot zephyr
I copied this from an AgentChaos video the other day, trying to replace my DD build that runs with combat-axe/kantrel/health/health/stam loadout because I found my damage output was very bad with the SG/DD build I was previously using
shrewd holly
I'M GONNA STAB MYSELF IN THE DICK!!
vast yew
shrewd holly
FUUUCK
fading depot
im not overthinking it, i don't think on it. there is a very different function ...
I'm saying it works for me ?
vast yew
that's rough buddy
obtuse moth
Do they count if they die while soulblaze is on them or they have to die FROM so...
if they die when soulblaze is on them
shrewd holly
fading depot
I'm saying the surge is overkill and you don't really need it with assail/DS/shriek builds
My personal preference is to have better Horde clear with purg
Not saying surge is bad
vast yew
I copied this from an AgentChaos video the other day, trying to replace my DD bu...
okay so you don't want the extra toughness node at the top, is this Purgatus?
hot zephyr
okay so you don't want the extra toughness node at the top, is this Purgatus?
No, gunker.
vale nacelle
Noob question. I have Nexus 3 earned with hadron. It appears as selectable when re-blessing other staves but not trauma.
Why?
vast yew
Also for anyone who doesn't know: Wildfire is a pretty terrible feat so dont' take it
fading depot
I want to try gunker
fading depot
Also for anyone who doesn't know: Wildfire is a pretty terrible feat so dont' ta...
Which one is that
I don't have the talent names memorized lol
vast yew
Noob question. I have Nexus 3 earned with hadron. It appears as selectable when ...
Staves dont share blessings.
The rule is that if the name of the weapon after the "Mark xxx" bit is the same, they share blessings
shrewd holly
goated
echo frigate
or can I salvage it
Ew the mark 2
queen fog
I don't have the talent names memorized lol
Passes remaining stacks of soulblaze to nearby targets
queen fog
now answer the question.. <:gun_left:805080786860376084>
Could be worse
obtuse moth
Also for anyone who doesn't know: Wildfire is a pretty terrible feat so dont' ta...
thats wrong. it has use in specific situations. its terrible in general but its actually required in specific smite builds and reduces the amount of times you need to cast trauma by on average 3 casts to reach burn cap on blazing trauma. it also great for warp siphon stacks on soulblaze builds in combination with In Fire Reborn
vast yew
Which one is that
Wildfire is the "when burning enemy dies, spread burn" talent
It sounds good but he mechanics are terrible
cyan moth
instead of infested im thinking unarmored or flak
vast yew
thats wrong. it has use in specific situations. its terrible in general but its ...
it does literally nothing on blazing trauma because it can't spread when everything has the same number of stacks
cyan moth
idk what to do about the blessings
obtuse moth
it does literally nothing on blazing trauma because it can't spread when everyth...
except you have to crit twice in order to get to stack cap, and it takes on average 3 casts to crit
fading depot
Wildfire is the "when burning enemy dies, spread burn" talent
It sounds good but...
Sounds wildly unnecessary
shrewd holly
Ok so if my allies kill the enemies with soulblaze, does it still count?
fading depot
Probably not no
vast yew
except you have to crit twice in order to get to stack cap, and it takes on aver...
Crit once, everything has 3 stacks. Something with 3 stacks dies, it tries to spread, but it can't put any target to a higher stack count than the dead enemy so nothing spreads
Hence: useless
obtuse moth
it does literally nothing on blazing trauma because it can't spread when everyth...
so if you get to 4 stacks, it means you only need to crit once in order to hit the six stack cap. meaning you on average need to cast 3 times instead of 6 to hit burn cap
it doesnt need to get higher
vast yew
so if you get to 4 stacks, it means you only need to crit once in order to hit t...
You can't get to 4 stacks on Blazing Trauma because it goes 3 or 6
obtuse moth
it just needs to get you halfway there
vast yew
4 is impossible without Shriek
obtuse moth
whether it dies with 3 or 6, it will pass those 3 or 6 on lol @ maximum of 4
obtuse moth
it does, it just can't add additional stacks
but its a firestarter for the initial stacks
this build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOmLUfNMw4 also doesn't work half as well without wildfire
vast yew
It's not because Blaze trauma lights everything in the entire zip code on fire
The number of non-burning enemies nearby is usually close to 0 after the first crit
and once everything is on fire Wildfire can't spread, because again, everything has 3 stacks, so when it tries to spread it can't go above 3
obtuse moth
thats patently false, theres always a stream of enemies coming in
vast yew
the only utility it has is giving something 1 initial stack so that the first crit takes it to 4 instead of 3, but the second crit will go to 6 regardless because that's where Blazing Spirit caps
I don't run it and have never even noticed it being gone
maybe with smite shenanigans it's got a better usecase but it's utterly dead on Blaze Trauma
hot zephyr
Is Psychic Leeching decent for Assail/EP builds? It seems like it would be good to get replenishing toughness
vast yew
Psyker in general gets toughness back really fast
between Soulstealer, Quietude, and Mettle you have excellent toughness regen
so probably not worth
wet belfry
Its a troll talent
dont take it
Doesnt activate consistently enough to warrant using it.
pine shore
What other melee could you recommend other than ilisi, deimos and dueling sword?
hot zephyr
Ok, fair enough. What curio primarys make sense? I've been running tough/tough/stam but I'm thinking of switching to health/health/stam or health/health/wound
vast yew
Ok, fair enough. What curio primarys make sense? I've been running tough/tough/s...
Health/Health/Toughness or Health/Stam/Toughness are usually what you want to shoot for; running 1 wound had some utility but the new med stimms blow them out of the water
willow hazel
Stam isn't really needed with KD
vast yew
Stam isn't really needed with KD
this is still a debate
hot zephyr
I mean, you still use stam for dodge and sprint right?
willow hazel
dodges don't take stamina
vast yew
Whether or not you run a Stam trinket is up to what you find works for you; KD and +3 Stam have a positive feedback loop but if you find yourself not needing the extra stamina then the hp is better
hot zephyr
Oh dodge is just dodge limit?
vast yew
Dodge pauses stam regen but it does not cost stamina
dodge is just dodge limit, which for most Psyker weapons is 5
willow hazel
and you can just sprint forever regardless of stam
hot zephyr
Well, at reduced speed once your stam depletes right?
vast yew
Yeah Psyker has a 50% sprint penalty once depleted
a bit rougher than Zealot which only has a 25% penalty
willow hazel
if you slide it is stamina neutral, so you never hit the sprint penalty
vast yew
Is a bit mechanically intensive though
Also can do fun tech with the DS4 where you light attack right before you slide to get a boost
willow hazel
the dueling sword attacks don't give a speed boost anymore
vast yew
oh for real? annoying
willow hazel
yeah, but it procs Perfect Timing so I do it anyways
hot zephyr
Ok, so long story short is this build should put in work, and that means I can work on learning to use it better
Work on my player skill issue, rather than fighting both a bad build and bad skill
vast yew
Gunker is a bit of a weird build, but it should work
The only thing is you may run into some issues generating Peril for your Shriek to do max stacks, since the only way you have to generate it is Assail, which can run out of ammo
I know a lot of Gunker builds run Scrier's Gaze to turbo-boost their gun damage
hot zephyr
Well, this is what I was using prior
And I found I was struggling to deal good damage
half plover
psyker mains don't exist
rich rose
psyker mains don't exist
Ehhhh its my most played toon lol
pine shore
What do you think about using a chainsword? Also which one? I have not yet played with the new chainsword
vast yew
Well, this is what I was using prior
okay so there's a couple things here you could fix to really help you, but the damage bit should be mostly from your gun
what gun are you running
vast yew
What do you think about using a chainsword? Also which one? I have not yet playe...
Chainswords are good weapons, though I prefer the Psyker-specific ones
rich rose
I play all of them and the pysker is far and away what I play most, like 289, versus next most played vet at 145, Zealot 120, and Ogryn is only like 90
hot zephyr
okay so there's a couple things here you could fix to really help you, but the d...
I have lots of guns. I tried Kantrel Mk1 Las, Mark 3 Headhunter IAG, Columnus Mkv IAG (this ate too much ammo tho)
pine shore
What do you think about the new chain sword? I just tested it and it kinda sucks. Pure single target damage
vast yew
I have lots of guns. I tried Kantrel Mk1 Las, Mark 3 Headhunter IAG, Columnus Mk...
Columnus is what you want to use
It's by far the best option of those
and the meta pick
hot zephyr
It is, but I'm constantly getting dumbass vets stealing all the ammo to top themselves off at heresy/damn difficulty
vast yew
you're gonna have to be judicious about when you unload with it though and when you want to hang back and use Assail instead
hot zephyr
Hence the switch from smite/sg/dd to assail/shriek/ep
I feel like I need to run assail so I can play smarter with my gun, smite doesn't work for gunker it seems
vast yew
Smite is mostly for CC yeah, which leaves you relying solely on the gun for ranged dps
Shriek/Smite does work but I think you run a staff with it
hot zephyr
Yeah, so I would end up out of ammo from previously mentioned vets going full goblin mode, and stuck smiting and dealing no damage
willow hazel
You can also run Assail/SG/DD
vast yew
Disclaimer: I don't run Gunker but I think this is more in line with how they usually build?
not sure on where to put those last 2 points I stuck in the bottom left
ornate hamlet
I run soulstealer and drop perilous combustion
vast yew
I run soulstealer and drop perilous combustion
oh but PC is so strong on higher difficulties though
ornate hamlet
The peril generation at the bottom is nice, but the aura radius doesn't matter too much
3 stacks of soublaze does nothing tho
vast yew
killing 3 ragers is 9 stacks
ornate hamlet
You need 6 to take two years to kill poxwalkers
vast yew
and on HISTG there's a lot of Ragers
willow hazel
Something like this
vast yew
okay cool so on the right track
eager mantle
Pretty much mine but I forgo the weakspot kills giving 2 stacks
vast yew
ah Malefic makes sense since you don't quell much
vast yew
Yeah I actually have _this_ saved too
swap the random toughness node up top to PC and you're good
willow hazel
The 20% damage from Maelific on top of Perfect Timing makes Assail really strong after using a gun
hot zephyr
I feel like after this discussion Soulstealer probably a good idea potentially too
vast yew
Soulstealer is always good but it's definitely possible to run too much toughness regen
hot zephyr
Ah, but you see, I am an idiot, and I stand in fire alot.
eager mantle
Perilous Combustion may be your only instances of soulblaze but it ramps up when you start killing everything
vast yew
With Gaze up you're gonna crit like crazy which means Mettle will get you back to full real fast
and once Gaze stops Quietude helps keep you topped up
hot zephyr
(kidding of course, but maybe thats part of my problem too, i'm stacking too much toughness regen cus I was running tough/tough/stam as curios and would go down as soon as my toughness dropped from random fire/bursters/etc)
health/health/tough or health/stam/tough sounds like it could be a better mix
vast yew
(kidding of course, but maybe thats part of my problem too, i'm stacking too muc...
Fire used to pop your toughness instantly regardless of how high it was
eager mantle
(kidding of course, but maybe thats part of my problem too, i'm stacking too muc...
I stack toughness and 1 wound
vast yew
I stack toughness and 1 wound
do you still find the wound worth it with the new med stims?
I'd been playing around with running 1 or not but I dropped it entirely after the update
eager mantle
do you still find the wound worth it with the new med stims?
I can't control the AI director and would rather not be on death door after 1 down. It's my insurance curio that I'm gonna want when I need it and barely make a dent in efficiency not having another health or toughness curio
ornate hamlet
Yeah I actually have _this_ saved too
Not sure if it's just the UI, but the middle node for disrupt destiny is useless
Right and bottom or left and bottom, but not that middle one
vast yew
I can't control the AI director and would rather not be on death door after 1 do...
yeah that was my logic but with the med stimms just straight-up healing 50% hp with only 2 wounds it's been crazy
eager mantle
I think living another down will make you succeed far more than the minimal stats a health or toughness curio gives off psyker's poor base toughness/health stats
vast yew
go down, pop med, back to full hp
hot zephyr
Not sure if it's just the UI, but the middle node for disrupt destiny is useless
Yeah I feel like after this conversation I'll be dropping purloin, seems kinda bad now that I realize it's only the marked target and only a low chance
ornate hamlet
Yep
vast yew
Battle Meditation >>>> Purloin
ornate hamlet
If you want quell on kill, get the one at the top
hot zephyr
Maybe do something like this:
vast yew
Maybe do something like this:
stop taking random toughness perks lol
hot zephyr
Oh yeah didn't notice that extra toughness perk in the bottom
ornate hamlet
That's my assail build pretty much
vast yew
maybe the movespeed for gaze
vast yew
Yeah I think you could actually take an extra toughness node if you find Soulstealer to not be working out
because wtf else are you going to do with it
but yeah that should work
hot zephyr
Yeah, like I just think if you can get 4 of the +15 tough nodes that's 120 base toughness
Which is enough that maybe I could run health/health/tough and be rolling with 200+ health and 140 toughness
Like, this build looks dumb because of the two extra toughness nodes
But if you have a two 20/5 health curios and one 16/4 tough curio I think you could be pretty tanky
(I realize you can get better than 20/5 and 16/4 but those are hard to find)
plucky flax
New cheat mod just dropped. 
glossy ember
New cheat mod just dropped. <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
spidey sense
ember sonnet
Anyone else using the dueling sword move tech btw? I was thinking of testing and then eventually making a macro to cheese
mighty cipher
It's fun having over 170 toughness
Only 170?
brave fiber
hey man some people here run 90, 170 makes you invincible by comparison
glossy ember
big fan of 90
torpid breach
lmao i just got through a sibling match where at least 3 of us were using smite, it was too damn fun
eager mantle
Rolled into a sibling match. 1 asks "so which staves you bringing?"
Me: lead
torpid breach
also smite stun into revolver fanfire can be pretty nasty
torpid breach
Rolled into a sibling match. 1 asks "so which staves you bringing?"
Me: lead
lmao same, i was the only one running a gun
eager mantle
Had a game last night as my vet. 2 vets and 2 psykers. Was one of the most chilling games I've had in a while with this patches director.
torpid breach
Anyone have thoughts on the new MXIIIg Chainsword yet?
got a good one a few matches back, lots of seemingly overhead attacks but its not bad at all
light spam against horde and rev heavy against elites should be right
hot zephyr
Yeah the combo being strike/van/van/van for the lights seems really good
torpid breach
been using force sword for too long tho, cant live without that jedi push
hot zephyr
I used a chainsword along side my purge for a long time to deal with heavy armoured targets, so it's nice to see a horde-option for other builds
untold niche
goddam that makes sense
my roll was like that, both 4
now i regret switching it to surge
i thought surge was a must
torpid breach
My current setup has smite for mass chaff clear and elite lockdown, force sword (obscurus i think) as general combat with elite kill, and cowboy rev for ranged combat, bursting heavies, and doing the yeehaw
And a force dome to keep things from getting too hairy
I aint using a staff no more, magic gunslinger is the shit
hot zephyr
Magic bullets are the best bullets
eager mantle
Fellow warp crayon enjoyer
torpid breach
Im not even running scrier, just rawdogging hot lead
hot zephyr
I like to imagine that assail is popping a few rounds out of the mag and throwing them
brave fiber
Put assail crystals in the bullets
hot zephyr
Now that's hot.... Lead?
torpid breach
99% pure crystal lead
brave fiber
tight
hot zephyr
I'm quickly learning that if you have assail in your build that you need to learn some darts terminology so you can make darts jokes in an English accent
torpid breach
taking them down like Mr. Danger™️ himself
fading depot
My veteran buddy hates you
Psykers taking ammo tilts him, especially just normal psykers and not gun builds
glossy ember
staff psykers cant take ammo tho
torpid breach
there are psykers who just decide to pick a gun for the run lmao
eager mantle
Guns are fun. This plasma vet was flaming me for wasting ammo as a gunker. I was literally sustained on ammo from his aura and only picking up small boxes when everyone else was white. Lil shit
hot zephyr
Yeah vets start looking for ammo every time they change a mag
torpid breach
Guns are fun. This plasma vet was flaming me for wasting ammo as a gunker. I was...
brother probably didnt know how to check the ammo level of teammates that way
hexed geyser
He's also probably the kind of player who will use 3 bullets to kill a poxwalker instead of his sword
eager mantle
He damn well should know how to read ammo in an auric
hot zephyr
Like, I literally just had the above conversation eariler about assail purely because my last 3-4 missions I was completely out of ammo for several minutes while veterans screamed at me for taking their bullets while they had white ammo
eager mantle
Lmao
My guns are when things need to die like now and there's a lot. Assail and melee do so much work
torpid breach
i dont do auric and just frolick around in heresy and occasionally damnation lmao
glossy ember
there are psykers who just decide to pick a gun for the run lmao
tbh if the psyker left and was replaced by another ammo using class the result would be the same so
hot zephyr
Damnation is starting to feel easy again for me when running purgatus, so that's why I'm trying to up my gunker play so I have options to move up
glossy ember
people get upset for no reason
hexed geyser
Players choice of main character in darktide:
Vets: wants to be the elite guy, better than everyone and a specialist
Zealots: wants to run it down and destroy everything in their path
Psykers: wants to use funny spells because... yeah
Ogryns: just here for the memes, there's no other options to the big guys
eager mantle
This patch's director makes me run aurics less. Doable but sometimes it's like "really?" You're gonna have 4 bombers, 2 trappers, as I'm killing them a pair of tox flamers are running around the corner while I have to dodge 2 mutants? And a unheard burster?
eager mantle
Players choice of main character in darktide:
Vets: wants to be the *elite* guy,...
Ogryns do be vibin
hexed geyser
Never met an annoying ogryn. Bad ogryn, yes, but never toxic
eager mantle
I do enjoy that it's like a virus. You start playing ogryn, you start typing in chat like an ogryn
torpid breach
the only time i went into auric we got stuck at the beginning because there was a corner that turns into a long hallway, down that hall is a literal wall of guns with what felt like multiple bombers constantly flaming the doorway so we could not even pop out to shoot without both getting burned and beamed down by 3 different flavours of ranged attacks
eager mantle
During a lights out "Hey we're going the wrong way"
Ogryn: this is why you no follow me
torpid breach
ogryns are objectively best people
hexed geyser
Lights out and vent purge are my favorite conditions... Even with snipers. It just makes the game hard without feeling annoying
torpid breach
kill enemies in droves, clutch games, and protect the little ones
mighty cipher
Lights out and vent purge are my favorite conditions... Even with snipers. It ju...
I hate those conditions because they do nothing but make the game feel annoying
hot zephyr
I just wanna move up to maelstrom for the absurdity of the chaos. Like I don't care about going to auric, I just want that poop-meets-fan-and-we-somehow-survived
eager mantle
I like vent purge w/o snipers. Good bonus money for not much annoyance
quaint tide
Question: Which Staff uses Soulburn Fire?
hexed geyser
I hate fire so much as a psyker. You don't even have time to react before getting a bomber grenade thrown and it's so large you take half the health just to get out. And that's if you go into the right direction in the frenzy of the fight, so snipers are my favorite
mighty cipher
Question: Which Staff uses Soulburn Fire?
Yes
hexed geyser
I think the answer you want is purgatus, unless it's a blessing thing then idk
torpid breach
I hate those conditions because they do nothing but make the game feel annoying
i too dislike the conditions because my eyesight is already bad enough and i like seeing things
quaint tide
I think the answer you want is purgatus, unless it's a blessing thing then idk
shit, haven't unlocked that yet
torpid breach
Question: Which Staff uses Soulburn Fire?
is it soulburn fire? that interacts with the talents?
quaint tide
is it soulburn fire? that interacts with the talents?
i mean like literally casting blue flames via staff
mighty cipher
I like vent purge w/o snipers. Good bonus money for not much annoyance
Man I sure do love not being able to see 3 fucking meters out
quaint tide
Soulburn is the DoT Effect
torpid breach
Soulburn is the DoT Effect
ahhhh
torpid breach
I hate fire so much as a psyker. You don't even have time to react before gettin...
lmao when i heard the grenade flying through the air i immediately leg it out of my current vicinity
idle bay
lmao when i heard the grenade flying through the air i immediately leg it out of...
By hopping like a rabbit - to minimize fire damage if any 🙂
mighty cipher
By hopping like a rabbit - to minimize fire damage if any 🙂
Doesn’t work with bomber/flamer fire
idle bay
Used to work.. before they broke it 🙂 Allowed to avoid even 1st tick of damage and get out damage free
You jusy had to jump out before greande explodes
woeful zinc
psyker mains don't exist
Pffft - one right here.. Even my avatar sez lol
half plover
this is chaos propaganda
idle bay
My other chatacters exists solely to feed crafting materials and melk tokens into my Psyker
eager mantle
My other chatacters exists solely to feed crafting materials and melk tokens int...
My ogryn has the least amount of materials invested but he's been a lucky boy getting so many good stuff
glossy ember
I hate fire so much as a psyker. You don't even have time to react before gettin...
the reason why i switched to bubble
idle bay
My ogryn has the least amount of materials invested but he's been a lucky boy ge...
Same. God-rolls without any effort on my Ogryn as well 🙂
glossy ember
i just preemptively place one during melee combat instead of using it for gunners
so we don't get fucked by bombers/flamers
untold niche
I hate fire so much as a psyker. You don't even have time to react before gettin...
thats why i took bomber resist, as meme as it is :p
can't wait till the newest class heals teammates for a small % on elite/specials killed
fading depot
Same. God-rolls without any effort on my Ogryn as well 🙂
I hopped over to my vet determined to spend some of my copious mats to roll some gear and I ended up with phat weapons basically fucking immediately
mighty cipher
Y’all ever seen a 20 death count?
fading depot
My buddy has been trying to get power cycler 4 for like 3 weeks and I got it on my third sword
He hates me cus he's an actual vet main
eager mantle
I hopped over to my vet determined to spend some of my copious mats to roll some...
Got that gacha gamer attitude with the gods favor
fading depot
I honestly have some silly luck because I have like 12 million ords and almost 100k plas but everytime I go to roll shit for a new build I get it asap
I got a good af surge and purg staff too but no pics
torpid breach
can't wait till the newest class heals teammates for a small % on elite/specials...
Oh yeah, health heal is the one missing niche
opaque sky
Would you assess this as worth buying from melk for 2790?
bleak tulip
think the aura is just corruption
or what did you mean
I think the only other time zealot can heal is with holy revenant
glossy ember
Would you assess this as worth buying from melk for 2790?
could swap infested with maniacs and riposte with uncanny and it'd be nice
glossy ember
or what did you mean
idk i just remember being healed by zealot
might just be the aura
opaque sky
could swap infested with maniacs and riposte with uncanny and it'd be nice
Thanks for the feedback
bleak tulip
pretty sure thats just corruption yeah
bleak tulip
thats what I do if I hog the stimm and see another 2 wound chad go down
because V A L U E
glossy ember
will try this today and report back 
bleak tulip
will try this today and report back <:Salute:1007513489536974899>
no perilous 😬
bleak tulip
its literally free damage
glossy ember
10-20k damage on 400+k isn't worth it for me
yes i'm aware that's 5%
but it doesn't help when i need it to help
bleak tulip
its just not clear if it helps but it probably does help eve4ryone
glossy ember
i cannot feel a difference when i run it and when i don't
bleak tulip
considering it might de enough to make people hit BPs and what not
untold niche
found out
80% damage voidstrike, with 5% ranged damage node, can one shot gunner, charging from 80% peril
short lodge
PC goes crazy when you hit the 12 shotgunner packs in Auric
glossy ember
the most damage I did with it was 45k and that was on a 750k damage game 
bleak tulip
thats like 1/4th of the average auric player's damage bro 
bleak tulip
its not even that, it still does something tho
glossy ember
i guess
but i don't feel like it's more useful to me than soulstealer or mind in motion or even KD
bleak tulip
unpopular opinion dont waste points on ass ail
you shouldnt be using it to horde clear anyway
imo
glossy ember
it's my horde clear though
languid osprey
the dmg from pasive bb or the clutch of smite is way better
if you can horde clear with other things like trauma or void
bleak tulip
kinetic flayer is still dogshit
tbh
because it just overkills a poxwalker like 80% of the time
glossy ember
if you can horde clear with other things like trauma or void
i won't play creeping flames
languid osprey
i won't play creeping flames <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
im going to tell grendyl
glossy ember
assail doing a good amount there on the lessers, probably 80% of the damage
(it's the 220k)
fickle swallow
Does upgrading weapons from purple to orange have a higher chance to get rarer/higher tier blessings than from green to blue?
woeful zinc
Does upgrading weapons from purple to orange have a higher chance to get rarer/h...
Nope
glossy ember
I will not share my opinion on that loadout
it's fine everyone cringes when they see my builds 
bleak tulip
okay but why bleed on knife
glossy ember
33% crit rate
languid osprey
im using trauma with the fire crit thing right now but idk if its better go full goblin mode and get surge
i feel like im a better purg most of the time but idk how is trauma right now with surge
glossy ember
so i didn't have a choice
fickle swallow
So if I want to get a specific blessing, just spam upgrading to blue is more cost efficient than to orange?
bleak tulip
well okay
fading depot
you shouldnt be using it to horde clear anyway
Assail is best for elite squads imo but you can use it for Horde clear along with purg
glossy ember
if I could choose i'd have gone Executor, but pygex mathed it out and it's roughly the same damage as crit bleed
bleak tulip
if I run purg I aint using ass ail on hordes man 
idk I just dont think its super efficent to use as horde clear I guess
fading depot
Use both really
bleak tulip
basically all staves but surge do better
glossy ember
it's pretty good
woeful zinc
Assail is better as a faster sniping BB imo
fading depot
Assail will wipe out good chunks of the Horde before it gets in purg range
slate cedar
Worth it from melt?
glossy ember
assail deals with hordes super fast and can be used while your melee weapon is out too so that's very noice in my case
bleak tulip
well yeah just getting an extra talent point and not having a BB would be better
fading depot
But I always try to save like 5 shards for when the squads of ragers or gunners spawn
fading depot
well yeah just getting an extra talent point and not having a BB would be better...
Another BB hater smh
languid osprey
i feel naked without hard cc so assail+purg feels bad imo
bleak tulip
have fun killing a crusher in 3 charges fam
fading depot
Why would I use it on a crusher
bleak tulip
imma just stab the fucker twice
fading depot
I have a dueling sword
bleak tulip
well what the fuck else are you gonna use it on where a staff isnt faster?
fading depot
Shriek and watch every specialist / elite in the area die
languid osprey
this is my purg
fading depot
I don't use trauma or void with any of my builds
bleak tulip
I mean shit even surge prob kills bulwarks faster than BB agani now
fading depot
I use Purg with my assail and BB builds and Surge with my smite build
fading depot
I've had good results with it, but it is my least played active ability
bleak tulip
no shade on your other stuff
fading depot
It's particular
If your team has enough specialist focus and boss damage than there's no need to run BB
languid osprey
I don't use trauma or void with any of my builds
i love my trauma surge shit with duelling mk4 what build do you use with purg i cannot find one that suits me
fading depot
I use an anti elite assail build. Shriek/assail/EP/purgatus
Take the perk that gives you EP on elite kill
untold niche
just a quick one, what buff is this?
fading depot
Purg focus for Horde clearing, assail for elites, distant snipers/specials, duel sword for maulers/crushers/bulwarks
fading depot
I find that I don't always need my assail shards stacked up so I end up using them in hordes along with my purg
languid osprey
Purg focus for Horde clearing, assail for elites, distant snipers/specials, duel...
seems solid
woeful zinc
Purg focus for Horde clearing, assail for elites, distant snipers/specials, duel...
Chuck in bubble and ya set 🙂
fading depot
Chuck in bubble and ya set 🙂
I use shriek with it but I'm thinking of redoing it to take bubble yeah
Purg just really doesn't build up that much peril, I just like the CC and the soul blaze damage
languid osprey
shirek is just so comfy to use
fading depot
^^^
Also if you accidentally start blowing yourself up you can save yourself
Which is a really nice safety net
languid osprey
yeah
umbral helm
I rarely do blow up, but the few times I do I don't end up having vent
slate cedar
geuss it isn't then
languid osprey
for my build shirek is just better for refreshing smite or getting one trauma more
i do like the bubble but i will blow up like crazy just by muscle memory
umbral helm
and usually the only reason I started to was because I got smacked which would have this interaction where I was doing something-> get smacked and make what I was doing do it twice -> push me over the edge somehow and initiate blowup
fading depot
I had a match where I was blowing up with shriek on cd and the chance to quell 10% peril on kill procced and saved me
languid osprey
like when im playing gun psyker i stop shooting thinking about peril
fading depot
Gave me a heart attack
fresh reef
I take back everything I said about Purgatus needing buffs
It's perfectly fine where it is
fresh reef
I hadn't used it in such a long time I forgot that it's good
umbral helm
I love my Wendy's Deepfryer
fading depot
To be honest I think not one psyker staff needs a buff
languid osprey
I take back everything I said about Purgatus needing buffs
void better go to sedition
fading depot
They're all gucci gang
fresh reef
Yeah. They're all good
languid osprey
nah but pass me the build that changed your opinion hahaha
woeful zinc
Love my Voidstrike with Surge on it - slaps hard
fresh reef
What we need is a new staff to either be the new worst or power creep the others out of relevency
fading depot
No new staves imo
fresh reef
coruscation staff
woeful zinc
What we need is a new staff to either be the new worst or power creep the others...
How about a support staff that heals?
fresh reef
How about a support staff that heals?
Hell no
fresh reef
I'd have to run it 24/7 to carry my randoms
west stream
fresh reef
I want inverse trauma
languid osprey
let us akimbo staffs and carry the duelling on our mouth
fresh reef
Something like Orisa's old gravity ball thing, to enable melee builds
umbral helm
a telekinesis staff would be interesting but that'd require them to have some system where enemies could take damage from being flung into a wall, all the obvious balancing problems that'd bring aside
fresh reef
Turn the crusher into a battering ram
languid osprey
some kind of frost staff
umbral helm
it would give psyker a damage type that is completely unique to them, since in a way soulblaze is just recolored fire
languid osprey
like the drg digger cryo cannon but darktided idk if thats lore friendly i suppose not
but i feel just getting the vermintide ones ported would be fine
umbral helm
from what I understand about the warp and powers related to it, a lot of it is imagination-based, so it really depends on the person what's possible with it
languid osprey
this patch was more for other classes than psyker and i DONT like the new lass pistol
languid osprey
from what I understand about the warp and powers related to it, a lot of it is i...
testicular torsion staff
true
fresh reef
We needed nothing
I wouldn't mind a couple new toys, though
Variety, spice of life, yadda yadda
languid osprey
true too
fresh reef
testicular torsion staff
Mend buttcrack staff
fading depot
Calf cramp blitz
umbral helm
if they did add a staff that was purely support, little to no damage, just some sort of utility effect, wouldn't matter how useful or not it was, people would get shit for using it because the concept of team comp and synergy is something people avoid like the plague
languid osprey
Mend buttcrack staff
thats a bit much that will hard counter the nurgle beast and halft the elites
like one shot them
languid osprey
if they did add a staff that was purely support, little to no damage, just some ...
some people still plays surge i think it depends alot
smite*
fresh reef
@fading depot if psyker is so perfect, then justify running Warp Rupture and Unlucky for Some
languid osprey
they need to fix gaze i want to run it with my gun psykers
chilly mantle
they need to fix gaze i want to run it with my gun psykers
what happened to gaze
umbral helm
some people still plays surge i think it depends alot
well yeah, people would still use it, the point was the general opinion would be that it's bad because it doesn't kill everything or let you top leaderboard scores for damage, which would inevitably influence its usage, because more people care about that than people that don't
languid osprey
what happened to gaze
sorry i got mixed with disrupt destiny i think is like a worse warp siphion and it feels buggy as hell
chilly mantle
Ahh oka
plucky flax
I have no problem dealing the most damage with surge+smite
languid osprey
I have no problem dealing the most damage with surge+smite <:whatthefuck_heresy:...
more than full dmg void?
plucky flax
About the same. But easier to play.
vast yew
The trick to dealing more damage with Surge+Smite is yelling "Unlimited Power!!!" every time you attack
languid osprey
About the same. But easier to play.
easier? like with void you dont even have to switch weapons
brave fiber
based + palpatine-pilled
vast yew
easier? like with void you dont even have to switch weapons <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077...
Surge + Smite you don't have to aim
plucky flax
^
glacial socket
Hey so ive been torn between using a dueling sword w/ rending or a Deimos force sword for my fire trauma build, I need my melee to do good single target damage. mostly for crushers and similar mobs. what would yall recommend?
vast yew
it's the most unga bunga combo
vast yew
Hey so ive been torn between using a dueling sword w/ rending or a Deimos force ...
Either one with Uncanny will work
brave fiber
Hey so ive been torn between using a dueling sword w/ rending or a Deimos force ...
For crushers maulers def dueling 4
languid osprey
coming from gun psyker to void i dont consider voit aiming
brave fiber
Imo
vast yew
Dueling kills faster because you can chain heavies faster, deimos is slower but knocks them over and has other benefits
they're both top tier tho
brave fiber
Deimos has better quick burst, dueling 4 has better dps. Which is more applicable for your playstyle up to you
vast yew
also Uncanny 3 and 4 both hit 100% Rending so it doesn't really matter which one you get
languid osprey
the special attack from duelling to poke
vast yew
(4 ramps faster from 1-4 stacks but they are equal at 5)
languid osprey
ah you see I like big number on my weapons rating
another gacha adict
glacial socket
yes
harsh urchin
also Uncanny 3 and 4 both hit 100% Rending so it doesn't really matter which one...
Watch them nerf the range from 12/16/20/24 to 14/16/18/20 next patch
glacial socket
I have spent far to much in brunts
languid osprey
I have spent far to much in brunts
welcome to the crew
vast yew
Watch them nerf the range from 12/16/20/24 to 14/16/18/20 next patch
I will find you and strangle your houseplants
glacial socket
millions of credits down the drain
digital narwhal
(4 ramps faster from 1-4 stacks but they are equal at 5)
Akchually, any amount of Rending or Brittleness that pushes your ADM past 100% still gives you extra damage, but at 1/4 returns.
harsh urchin
They did that to rending backstab
vast yew
Akchually, any amount of Rending or Brittleness that pushes your ADM past 100% s...
Akchually, they both hit Rending 100% at 5 stacks, which is the cap
ADM can go past 100%
Rending cannot
languid osprey
millions of credits down the drain
thinking about playing other classes but like i have to get one good of everything first
vast yew
whether you have 120% Rending or 100% Rending you deal the same damage
digital narwhal
Rending cannot
Oh fr?
Kinda dumb to even have Blessings that go past 100% then
Mb
glacial socket
ive tried to play other classes but I cant
the fantasy of being a psyker appeals to me to much
that may be the thousand son collector in me talking though
brave fiber
Watch them nerf the range from 12/16/20/24 to 14/16/18/20 next patch
I will fucking evaporate if that happens
languid osprey
the fantasy of being a psyker appeals to me to much
old space asshole better than everyone else
vast yew
Oh fr?
Kinda dumb to even have Blessings that go past 100% then
Yeah it's why they changed the knife blessing, because T2-4 were functionally the same.
I'm hoping they don't touch Uncanny, because technically T3 and T4 are different from 1-4 stacks
languid osprey
mood
digital narwhal
Yeah it's why they changed the knife blessing, because T2-4 were functionally th...
They will touch Uncanny
lethal lagoon
Uncanny will be touched whether you like it or not.
bleak tulip
uncanny is just flat the best on all weapons that can get it
glacial socket
the magic system in 40k is by far my favorite out of any fantasy setting
digital narwhal
Uncanny is stupidly strong, so it’s gonna get hit at some point, regardless of the +100% Rending interaction
languid osprey
uncanny is just flat the best on all weapons that can get it <:Kekw:929575628682...
unlike things like warp nexus
glacial socket
it is grounded in some logic, has very clear consequences, and people in lore react in a realistic way to it
bleak tulip
and even then itll still be the best blessing
languid osprey
so max stacks might be like 80% or something
fading depot
the magic system in 40k is by far my favorite out of any fantasy setting
WHAT? But you don't even forget all your magic and have to go to sleep to use it again! Or have to stock up on fucking eagle feathers and squirrel eyeballs to use it or some shit
bleak tulip
https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-jesse-pinkman-crying-jesse-pinkman-screamin...
no more two shotting crushers jesse
but hey at least we can hear em now
so thats nice
vast yew
except maybe on the Illisi, where there's a good argument to be made for Slaughterer + Deflector instead
But if you aren't running Deflector then Uncanny becomes the best again lol.
glacial socket
WHAT? But you don't even forget all your magic and have to go to sleep to use it...
Damn I forgot my bat shit and sulfur guess I cant do the thing
fading depot
Sorry guys I cast fireball three times I can't do it anymore until we take a nap
vast yew
Good old Vancian casting
glacial socket
honestly blame the new mystra
bleak tulip
hey dont diss my bat shit
glacial socket
she put restrictions of magic in Faerun because "the world almost ended" due to it
over reaction honestly
fading depot
Shit happens
glacial socket
Karsus did absolutly nothing wrong
vast yew
I blame Gygax for reading a book with a cool magic system that fit the lore of the setting and then liking it so much he ripped it out and shoved it in his setting where it makes zero sense
fading depot
'no more 10th circle spells>:(' yheah ok virgins
sullen bobcat
except maybe on the Illisi, where there's a good argument to be made for Slaught...
I have one illsi I have with riposte + that crit chance on hit one to make it easier to Regen on a gunker with toughness on crit
vast yew
I have one illsi I have with riposte + that crit chance on hit one to make it ea...
Shred + Blazing Spirit makes for a funny little build if you want to do something similar
sullen bobcat
I tried using bloodthirsty blazing spirit and got sorely disappointed after
It's only applied on the first target 😦
vast yew
oh bloodthirsty is a different beast
glacial socket
I like blood thirsty on Illisi
brave fiber
Shred + Blazing Spirit makes for a funny little build if you want to do somethin...
I really want to try this but I have yet to see a blazing 4
glacial socket
I kinda wish Blazing would make your weapon enflamed
I doubt it will happed but i can hope
vast yew
it's got worse horde clear than just simply running Slaughterer, but it's got better monster damage and can synergize with In Fire Reborn
plus it's a FLAMING MAGIC SWORD
so the cool factor is great
sullen bobcat
Shred + Blazing Spirit makes for a funny little build if you want to do somethin...
Yeah I tried that and found it underwhelming
brave fiber
How cool would it be if a force sword ability enchanted the blade with soulblaze and fanned it out like purg on hit
glacial socket
Psyker weapons have so much potential for cool shit
vast yew
I've been brainstorming ideas and that was one of the things I thought they could do if they ever gave us Daemonblades
glacial socket
I wish catshark would have stuff like that
brave fiber
catshark no way
umbral helm
much like Elder Scrolls, lot of cool potential, but the issue becomes translating cool concepts into real things that exist in the video game
brave fiber
yeahhh
glacial socket
im still gonna pray to big e for it to happen
brave fiber
Still criminal that psyker got nothing this update, despite how good the update is
glacial socket
we got the leftovers of other classes
there was stuff for gun psyker and thats it
brave fiber
Zealot got some sick new weapons, vet got a nice shovel, and ogryn got a shovel to rival the emperor’s power
vast yew
I think part of the problem is that Psyker-specific stuff is going to be a bit more time-intensive to create than "Shovel's #3 and 4"
since you have to do Warp stuff with it, which is vfx/sfx, etc etc
plucky flax
We got surge fix. 
glacial socket
surge was more of a slight nerf
brave fiber
I mean even just updating obscurus so it’s maybe a bit cooler and good would’ve been enough for me
vast yew
Yeah, but it also doesn't randomly drop to dealing like half damage vs. Maulers anymore either
plucky flax
Torso 100% > sometimes tru aim.
vast yew
or miss breakpoints on gunners because "Oops, this attack deals Unarmored damage isntead of Flak, so your 25% vs. Flak doesn't apply"
glacial socket
I wish it got more though
at least in my opinion its one of the more underused staffs
vast yew
underused but not underpowered, IMO
glacial socket
its fine where it is currently
vast yew
all of the staves are well worth running, with Purg being my personal pick for "weakest"
but they all work
brave fiber
I’ve said this before, but if void and trauma are s, surge is currently a, and purg is b
subtle swift
does enfeeble also increase your smite damage? it says all sources but i know better than to trust descriptions at face value :P
brave fiber
All good but clearly different in power level
vast yew
does enfeeble also increase your smite damage? it says all sources but i know be...
IMO enfeeble is only worth picking up if you have literally nothing else to take
umbral helm
clothes don't make the man, is how I've always seen it
glacial socket
yea 10% does not feel like alot
vast yew
and you always have something else to take
glacial socket
if you want damage from smite then EP works well with it
subtle swift
yeah i have just 1 point left.just trying to figure out where to put it
vast yew
like in that screenshot, you're missing both crit talents and PC
plucky flax
I see purga the least by far in my games in eu servers.
glacial socket
I personally enjoy the purg staff
subtle swift
like in that screenshot, you're missing both crit talents and PC
i got rid of PC and wildfire cause peeps here told me last night they were not good with smite lol
glacial socket
its not the greatest but it feels fun
subtle swift
getting alot of contradictions :P
glacial socket
its suppresion value is crazy
umbral helm
I actually haven't seen many psykers the past couple sessions I've done, but I think that's mainly because Vet tree rework, saw a lot of those
vast yew
i got rid of PC and wildfire cause peeps here told me last night they were not g...
Wildfire is pretty meh but PC can be real good
what weapons are you running?
subtle swift
surge and dueling saber IV
vast yew
surge and dueling saber IV
oh then you definitely want crit talents
take out the random toughness talent and Warp Expenditure and I think you have the points to do this:
umbral helm
even I was running my vet for a bit just to see how the changes were, then quickly remembered why, tree being better or not, vet is my least played class
subtle swift
take out the random toughness talent and Warp Expenditure and I think you have t...
thats how i had my build before i took advice last night lul back to it i guess :P
vast yew
lmao
plucky flax
That's so top heavy.
vast yew
Personally I think you could even drop Soulstealer and Battle Meditation if you wanted to take some talents lower down
fading depot
Still criminal that psyker got nothing this update, despite how good the update ...
Like I said above
Can't fix perfect 😏
brave fiber
Yeah but I want more perfect
vast yew
Yeah but I want more perfect
Tzeentch Cultist in the making
brave fiber
lol
fading depot
Tzeentch Cultist in the making
More like Slaanesh
vast yew
personally my wishlist for Psyker is Beam Staff, Nemesis Force Halberd, and Daemonblade
vast yew
More like Slaanesh
actually you right
fading depot
I'd like lightning claws
vast yew
fading depot
or a cool force axe
vast yew
Oh I'd love Lightning Claws but I think they're more Ogryn or Vet
maybe Zealot?
My #1 most wanted weapon for Vet/Zealot though is Powerfist
umbral helm
big warp fist that we blow up like a Looney Tunes character and whack a bunch of people with
vast yew
Let me charge it up and Falcon Punch a Crusher into the next century
vast yew
I also find it a bit weird that we have literally 0 dual-wield weapons in the game
VT2 was full of them
brave fiber
you’d think zealot would have at least 1
vast yew
yeah especially since Death Cult Assassins are commonly depicted wielding two swords
vast yew
Even in the base game
vast yew
Rapier & Pistol, Dual Axes for Bardin, Dual Swords and Dual Daggers for Kerillian
idle aurora
launch zealot as a blade frisbee when
fading depot
i forget bardin has three other classes
brave fiber
I mean shit if the mourning star has access to plasma guns and thunder hammers, I think the ability to hold two weapons at once doesn’t seem too far fetched
fading depot
we'll probably get them eventually
vast yew
oh also Sword and Dagger for Kerillian
she had 3 in the base game
Saltz also had dual Pistols as a ranged option
so that's, what, 6?
umbral helm
two heavy swords on zealot would be pretty fun probably
vast yew
DLC added Dual Hammers (twice!), Sword & Mace, Axe & Falchion...
think that's it unless we count shield weapons as dual-wielding
speaking of which: Power Sword + Storm Shield when
that's the classic Crusader loadout
subtle swift
why does it only increase the crit chance of the stupid melee special attack?
vast yew
why does it only increase the crit chance of the stupid melee special attack?
it doesn't, fatshark is just bad at descriptions
it works on all attacks
subtle swift
ah hahaha
umbral helm
Zealot needs a fucking sword and shield
the loner stealth zealot turtling behind his shield in a corner during a horde
"it ain't meeeee, it ain't meeeeee"
vast yew
Shield bashes with the Impact bonuses Zealot can pick up would be heckin dope
vagrant drum
Hey guys, do you know any good ressources to learn end game mechanics as Psykers please ?
Written or someone that mains it !
I tend to play smite / bunker / voidstrike, but i feel not really usefull when it comes to damage i seem to lack mapawarness
vast yew
mostly for Psyker gameplay you have to practice charging and edging
vagrant drum
you mean keepin a high level of peril ?
vast yew
edging being getting yourself to 100% peril, then practicing what is the minimum amount of quelling you have to do to get another full-charge shot off
with voidstrike it's a bit different becuase of how slowly that weapon charges, but then you need a feel for exactly how long you need to charge it for various situations
and that... is just practice
vast yew
As for Smite/Dome/Voidstrike, that build is what I run, but you need to get enemies to line up for you to be effective at clearing them
Your voidstrike build can also make a massive difference
vagrant drum
ahah, we're not that coordinated
vagrant drum
I feel the difference when i smite the whole screen, but i see must of the others almost OS anything, and with ease
vast yew
What talents you're running and how your voidstrike is setup would be helpful
vagrant drum
i'll post mine
vast yew
Voidstrike staves can one-shot Crushers in ideal circumstances
vagrant drum
lacking a IV rank blessing
vast yew
well good news is that for some blessings Rank 4 only makes a marginal upgrade over Rank 3
always better, of course, but for most stuff it won't matter too too much
vagrant drum
that's how i feel like, i'm not sure 4% crit when 85 peril makes that much diff
vast yew
it's more for consistency when trying to take down single targets
and 4% crit is a T3 perk after all
when firing into hordes your crit chance almost doesn't matter because of True Aim, but you still want it to be nice and high so it's consistent when true aim doesn't/can't apply
vagrant drum
max stacks i goes from 16% to 20% if i recall correctly, hence the 6% i was mentionning
vast yew
correct
vagrant drum
doesnt know about true aime
glossy ember
i might be nuts but it feels like i generate a ton more peril with bubble than with scrier
vast yew
that's just you being nuts
vagrant drum
XD
glossy ember
I dunno man it's crazy i really feel like i reach 100% much faster
vagrant drum
maybe youfell free to spam so you generate more
glossy ember
and i dont bubble that much
vast yew
okay so 10% Crit Damage you want to swap
vagrant drum
to 20 armored ?
vast yew
the way Crit Damage works is that it sucks 
effectively, if a weapon does 10 damage on a hit and 15 damage on a crit, +10% crit damage will make it do 15.5
because it adds 10% of the additional crit damage, which is 5
uhhh I need to check but either Carapace, Flak, or 5% Crit Chance is probably what you want to go for
yeah probably just 5% Crit chance IMO
20% Infested is not ideal but the rest of the staff is great
(upgrade Warp Nexus when you can)
static needle
Are there any blessings that make the illisi do more dmg against single targets?
static needle
like killing muties?
vast yew
for muties you're best off slapping them with an empowered heavy as you dodge them, then finish them off while they're stunned
vagrant drum
damn i f*ed up so bad i read "10 crit chance and it was 10 CritDamage"
vast yew
well good news is that bit is an easy fix
vagrant drum
🙂
vast yew
since it's not locked
vagrant drum
thanks mate
vagrant drum
O7
lyric atlas
what setup are peopleing liking for Psykers these days
vast yew
the Voidstrike should hit multiple targets when aimed at head level, meaning once you proc Surge you're going to proc it over and over and over shooting into a horde
vast yew
what setup are peopleing liking for Psykers these days
I think the top-tier builds are Columnus Gunker, Surge Voidstrike, and Blaze Trauma but Psyker's got a bunch of builds running around
pale crescent
I think the top-tier builds are Columnus Gunker, Surge Voidstrike, and Blaze Tra...
columnus gunker is really funny
vast yew
It always feels really off until you run into a Chaos Spawn and delete it
then you remember why you play it
although full disclosure: I don't really play Gunker
Prefer the level of control that the staves give you
lyric atlas
I think the top-tier builds are Columnus Gunker, Surge Voidstrike, and Blaze Tra...
is there a brain burst one taht works?
vast yew
is there a brain burst one taht works?
Brain Burst can be used to snipe specials on Purgatus builds
and on Blaze Trauma builds
(because you're not going to be using Assail or Smite on those anyways)
lyric atlas
Brain Burst can be used to snipe specials on Purgatus builds
burst/purg what im using right now but it feels a bit weak
vast yew
Purg is probably the weakest overall staff but it should still be performing
(in my opinion; others list Surge as weaker)
What's the stats on that staff?
lyric atlas
What's the stats on that staff?
will link when i can
vast yew
👍
glossy ember
aight i tried without mind in motion i actually hate it so i'll take the L and not run KD
vast yew
Just slide 4head
idle bay
Two Boltpistols please
Just ONE Volkite blaster will do
vast yew
glossy ember
i'll see how no KD goes for knife
vast yew
The bad news is you’re worse at blocking. The good news is you can backdash into a different county to avoid hits.
quartz barn
(in my opinion; others list Surge as weaker)
In general staff utility vs strength goes surge - purgatus - trauma - voidstrike
quartz barn
But tbh all are strong and surge mightve been listed as weak due to old bug
glossy ember
The bad news is you’re worse at blocking. The good news is you can backdash into...
yeah pretty much
vast yew
Yeah all the staves are good, it’s just that Trauma and Voidstrike are a cut above the other two
quartz barn
Dont underestimate soulfire dmg
woeful zinc
Whats the dump stat on a Trauma please?
vast yew
Oh I don’t. I run Blaze Trauma.
quasi junco
purg is great if you have some cracked vets on your team
vast yew
Whats the dump stat on a Trauma please?
Warp Resist, sorta. Can also get away with less than 80 damage on a Blaze Trauma. But you need all stats pretty high.
quasi junco
purg is underestimated for sure
quartz barn
But havent used it too much
woeful zinc
ty
quartz barn
On trauma you want nexus and shriek
quasi junco
On trauma you want nexus and shriek
nexus and blazing spirit
vast yew
Alternatively if you have a worse staff (not a demigod roll) then Rending/Flurry works better
But godroll Traumas are great when built for Nexus/Blazing
woeful zinc
Shit I think I just rolled a decent trauma - Just hope I dont get stiffed on the perks/blessings
brave fiber
Shit I think I just rolled a decent trauma - Just hope I dont get stiffed on the...
emperor have mercy on this man
woeful zinc
lol
brave fiber
might be the cleanest trauma staff ive seen
vast yew
That’s a good trauma, though some will say 71 charge rate and 77 blast radius is a bit too low for Blazing/Nexus
I think it should still work tho
woeful zinc
I'll take it for now 🙂
vast yew
Well good luck on the Plasteel hunting, and may the Emperor favor your rolls
quasi junco
lol imagine not having over 60k plasteel
lethal lagoon
Hadron getting ready to ruin your day
woeful zinc
Anyone got lube?
lethal lagoon
Sorry mate, Hadron's going in dry.
woeful zinc
😮
vast yew
vast yew
Okay so swap Terrifying to Flurry
Aaannnddd uhhhh one of the perks to… Flak?
I think it’s Flak
Personally I’d ditch the stamina because that’s not going to matter while the specialists maybe once in a blue moon will
Could do crit chance instead of Flak too if you wanted but I think you’re good enough without
pale crescent
i have literally only died to fire since the update
this is quite possibly worse than everything hunting grounds with full size dogs
vast yew
Fire do be pretty nuts this patch
idle bay
Just a dream about new Marks of existing staffs:
Alternate Nomanus - more chains, less damage.
Alternate Purgatus - Fire Beam - high single-target damage + fast build-up of stacks of Soulfire
Alternate Truama - with fast auto-snapping to target Circle.
Alternate Void - NO. Void is perfect as is 🙂 no alternate versions needed
crystal river
Full auto void
upper galleon
Alternate void, locks on to enemies and fires a flurry of homing bolts
idle bay
Full auto void
It's already full-auto if you click fast
crystal river
Fuller auto
upper galleon
Overall the fully charged flurry does less damage but hits multiple times
brazen warren
burst mode void, shoots 3 spheres in quick succession
bright mica
void that has less direct impact, way bigger aoe and is affected by gravity
idle bay
Alternate void, locks on to enemies and fires a flurry of homing bolts
Homing bolts.. yes there is something in that 🙂
vast yew
burst mode void, shoots 3 spheres in quick succession
That’s just Surge Void with 1 extra bullet
upper galleon
I would love a gravity affecting void that blackholes enemies but
brazen warren
surge would give it 5 shots in a burst
upper galleon
I dont think the physics engine can handle it
idle bay
give us beam staff vt2
- takes anti-nostalgia pills* Beam staff from EARLY VT2
bleak tulip
kinda glad I never played enough high level VT2 to even get nostalgia for staves they aint adding
bright mica
the darktide staves are mostly cooler
bleak tulip
yeah I played a bit of sienna but mostly elf
bright mica
we're missing the shotgun fire pit staff and beam staff
bleak tulip
and even then mostly pyro because lmao that ult was always dumb
bright mica
elf staff would be really cool in darktide
idle bay
kinda glad I never played enough high level VT2 to even get nostalgia for staves...
I played the living crap from early version of VT2 🙂 Got buned out fast.... but rememebr crazy fun playing with beam staff - it was my favorite... also calling everyone "Darlings"
bright mica
and even then mostly pyro because lmao that ult was always dumb
loved unchained with dagger and fireball staff, shame we can't really play a tanky wizard anymore
well nowhere as tanky as unchained
idle bay
well nowhere as tanky as unchained
Just with barely penetrable block...
bleak tulip
I think I tried unchained a few times but sucked and it didnt feel tanky when I was new
then I just basically never tried again
bright mica
Just with barely penetrable block...
unchained had a better version of this if you don't remember
idle bay
unchained had a better version of this if you don't remember
I have not played unhcained at all 🙂 Did not like it.
bright mica
she could block and vent heat
instead of using stamina
literally reverse of peril block
you could qq cancel the shotgun staff into a boss for massive damage then block one attack losing all your heat only to do it again
idle bay
that is OP and cool as F 🙂
glossy ember
whenever i played her i'd get stabbed in the ass by a rat and explode because my ult was on cd
idle bay
I might want to re-install VT2 to play it, and not a necromancer 🙂
bright mica
skill ish ngl
glossy ember
not wrong
bright mica
necro kinda weak ngl
bright mica
ironbreaker crutch?
glossy ember
nah
idle bay
I leveled and geared up everyone and played equally everyone in early VT2
bright mica
my faves are all weird as fuck
I am cracked on huntsman with m&sw and manbow getting max melee, ranged and boss damage every game because the class is broken to shit if you're good
vast yew
necro kinda weak ngl
Like in general or just in comparison to Battle Wizard? Because Battle Wizard is damn near the best class in the game. And Necro didn't feel very week when I was playing it
bright mica
drakefire engineer was fun as fuck, dual dagger handmaiden was a slayer that could special snipe and go invisible
bright mica
a ranged oriented zealot with 2h hammer and volley
bright mica
... did you mean Shade?
nope
glossy ember
shade was fun
bright mica
get the push attack speed and dodge attack speed talents, aim above the enemy heads and spam M1. insane horde-clear
sullen bobcat
Dual dagger handmaiden lets you dash into horde to get a pick on an elite and then hold block to get with no issue
bright mica
Wait follow up question what difficulty are you playing on
Cata but I did legend CW
sullen bobcat
Plus handmaiden has a ton of melee buffs to help it out
vast yew
aight far enough then
bright mica
you get it
vast yew
Dual Dagger handmaiden works but I feel like it eschews some of the strengths of the class
also DD in general gives me Carpal Tunnel
bright mica
with the attack speed buffs and aim above had strat you get crazy horde-clear
sullen bobcat
autoclick macro goes brrrr
vast yew
I think I'll just stick to S&D or S&S instead
bright mica
too slow
heavy attack weapons don't make the best use out of her attack speed buffs
glaive works good though
vast yew
they do if you aren't full-charging them
and S&S has a perfect rotation for Alacrity as it's horde clear combo is push - heavy light light
bright mica
hard to time when your attack speed constantly fluctuates imho
you wanna push with daggers for cc anyway, I recommend giving it a try but get an autoclicker
also volley zealot is probably the most busted to shit build in that game
vast yew
Battle Wizard is by far the most busted
and it isn't even close
well WHC gets a little close
bright mica
okay true
vast yew
Also your attack speed doesn't fluctuate
bright mica
I'm talking about fun classes here
bright mica
OE with drakefire is genuinely busted but nobody gives it a chance lol
vast yew
It's busted until a rat gently caresses your spine and you explode
hoary leaf
is Warp Nexus good on surge force staff?
vast yew
is Warp Nexus good on surge force staff?
Nexus + Flurry = good to go
bright mica
It's busted until a rat gently caresses your spine and you explode
just dodge, not an issue for me because I can hear the very loud sound cue of a rat trying to bite my ass
vast yew
Just Dodge 4Head
bright mica
I mean yeah ngl
vast yew
OE's problem isn't when youre playing perfectly, it's when you screw up
bright mica
a lot of classes in vt2 were over and underrated because of player skill
vast yew
I love the class to death but boy howdy do you have to sweatlord on the harder difficulties
bright mica
OE's problem isn't when youre playing perfectly, it's when you screw up
usually yes but the drakefire build is far more forgiving due to the mass aoe stagger
vast yew
because you screw up like twice and you die
bright mica
imho the usual dh + trollhammer + fast minigun builds are suboptimal
tiny swallow
(i like coghammer, mwpistol, and perma regen minigun 
)
bright mica
the musket minigun with concoction does fantastic boss DPS, stormvermin patrol deleting and sniping. 1h hammer or ham+shield are good for their defensive nature and drakefire with OE is absolutely busted because of guaranteed crits triggering that one blessing that increases ranged power letting you stagger lock even CW patrols and melt berserkers and stormvermin
try it if you haven't already
sleeper S tier
bright mica
(i like coghammer, mwpistol, and perma regen minigun <:Looking:10370273227605360...
cog with oppertunist on Slayer fucks super hard
opp let's you bounce elites around and Slayers attack speed buff makes it more than adequate horde-clear
combo with daxe for mobility and boss dps and bobs your uncle
vast yew
I like Greataxe/Throwing Axe Slayer
tiny swallow
see i dont play bardin much cuz my boyfriend only plays it
and i can do solo legend stuff on WP and necro
vast yew
Imagine playing only one class
bright mica
I have favs in every character although I'm very biased towards Handmaiden and Unchained if I ever roll those characters
vast yew
Oops gotta drive brb
bright mica
what's yall least fav classes?
atomic forum
ok well i went from never unequipping purgatus before this update to only using this. this gun is so fun, especially with assail for your horde clear
bright mica
mine is BH. I genuinely think Zealot is a better ranged class. Fuckass survivability. Huntsman's better but it seems everyone is scared of the manbow even though its arguably the best ranged wep in VT2
bright mica
I'm tempted to do a gunsyker with Creeping Flames
glossy ember
how would you build peril reliably, smite spam?
bright mica
my new knife with riposte actually doesn't need Gaze
bright mica
how would you build peril reliably, smite spam?
Assail, good timing would be required but I've done this before
glossy ember
i see
neat pecan
This was a fucking random drop
bright mica
I rolled Riposte and Maniac on the new knife and found it to work relatively well with Fleshtearer not actually needing Uncanny or Gaze
tiny swallow
what's yall least fav classes?
kruber: Huntsman. It's good but im fuckin ass at hitting my shots
bardin: Engineer. I feel like if I wanna play a ranged class I'll just do RVet cuz its a lil easier to use
kerillian: Shade. Trying to get into the backline to make use of my kit tends to get my ass clapped
saltzpyre: Bounty Hunter. See Huntsman above
sienna: Pyromancer. It feels like an inferior battle wiz to me
bright mica
kruber: Huntsman. It's good but im fuckin ass at hitting my shots
bardin: Engine...
haha its funny how 2 of these are my fav
tiny swallow
i mean none of em are bad and ill play em now and then i just enjoy other stuff more
last year i did every mission on every class on Champion cuz i figured fuckit why not
bright mica
least fav for each class... hmm
- GK: Fun but just less fun than the rest.
- RV: Extremely powerful but Masterwork Pistol and Grudgerakers are kinda boring.
- Shade: I loved her when you could run her as crit Shade with spear. Her playstyle is boring and honestly rather inefficient.
- BH: Genuinely believe this is the worst class in the game. OE with drakefire is insane and Huntsman is objectively better if you have better aim. Fuckass survivability with griffonfoot being the only redeeming quality (works arguably better on WHC lmao)
- BW: Bores me to tears to play. Pyro might be ass but it's fun.
ornate hamlet
tiny swallow
what difficulty do you normally play on? I usually do champ with my friends and legend now and then (I do solo stuff then have friends join as i do the end run 
) and i havent even thought about touching cata
static needle
Is malefic momentum with assail good for hordes or just rager groups?
bright mica
what difficulty do you normally play on? I usually do champ with my friends and ...
Cata/Legend
We could play Legend sometime but I'm busy all weekend
ornate hamlet
Waystalker bores me to death with her aimbotting, but so does sister with her stupid staff spam
bright mica
Waystalker has fun builds like Hagsbane or Swift
ornate hamlet
Bounty Hunter would feel so much better if the THP talents weren't ass, but zealot takes the cake because I think he's ugly and I don't play with ugly people
tiny swallow
Waystalker bores me to death with her aimbotting, but so does sister with her st...
sorry cant hear you over me chain levitating this chaos warrior over here lmao
bright mica
Swift WS is fun, it's better minigun OE
ornate hamlet
I don't play Bardin and Sienna