psyker-class

[shadow onyx]

not a new bless for aggripina?

[idle plover]

Or wait

[lethal lagoon]

Embrace the sweat and level another psyker.

[brave fiber]

desire sensor is real, forget about it and you’ll find it the next day in melks shop

[lethal lagoon]

Double melk rolls for surge

[idle plover]

Does it need to be exactly from same gun

[vast yew]

Tfw you see two Melk staves with Surge
||They're both Trauma staves||

[idle plover]

Not the previous one count

[glacial socket]

I have moved passed the voidstrike

[vast yew]

It can be from either revolver

[glacial socket]

I am now a trauma staff enjoyer

[idle plover]

Then im confused

[vast yew]

As long as the name of the weapon after the "Mark xxx" bit is the same, they share blessings

[lethal lagoon]

I finally got surge blessing after tons of wasted plasteel, and I ended up not really liking void after.

[vast yew]

boot up the game, go to Hadron, look at the T4 blessings for the new revolver and you should see it as a grayed-out option

unless the grayed-out bits are from a mod

[harsh urchin]

mod

[vast yew]

alright well

[idle plover]

Ill check tomorrow

[vast yew]

I could get the picture of my Revolver that has Crucian 2 on it (don't have any higher) but I'm at work

[idle plover]

I have 5.5 boost one i think

[untold widget]

Yeah, all the fun is casting on the same enemy more than once

[vast yew]

that's Crucian 3

[brave fiber]

Make staffs share blessings fatshark I beg of you

[vast yew]

They can't because they all have different options, sadly

[glacial socket]

I just wish we got another staff

[brave fiber]

I know, I can hope though

[lethal lagoon]

I meant void in general haha, I probably should have tested it a bit before trying so hard to get surge blessing.

[brave fiber]

What would another staff be

[vast yew]

I want Sienna's Beam Staff

[glacial socket]

Psyker is the only class that hasnt gotten a True new weapon

[mighty cipher]

God it would be so funny to put 12 stacks of soulblaze on a Purgatus crit.

[glacial socket]

ice magic, beam, etc

[untold widget]

In all seriousness, the audio feedback of the surge proc is all I need

[brave fiber]

Seriously man I really want the soulblaze blessing on purgatus

[untold widget]

Find a sick long sightline and receive dopamine

[vast yew]

technically Vet hasn't gotten one either; all the "new" weapons they've gotten have been new Marks

[brave fiber]

That might push it to be among the rest of the staffs

[mighty cipher]

Are you seriously about to tell me that Purgatus isn’t good?

[untold widget]

Why would you want to lower it?

[brave fiber]

It’s great

My favorite actually

It’s the worst staff

[untold widget]

best

[glacial socket]

It feels like psyker just happens to get some weapons meant for other classes

[brave fiber]

But great

[vast yew]

The Purgatus is technically the worst force staff but it's still good

[radiant sleet]

Give me Siennas necromancer staff but with uhh cherubims or something wild like that

[lethal lagoon]

It's the only staff with no anti-carpace and bulwark 🤷‍♂️

[mighty cipher]

Eh, I guess so

[untold widget]

that's what your melee is for

[lethal lagoon]

It's horde clear is overshadowed by literally just flaming shriek

[blazing echo]

I love the staff arguments. Psykers get so worked up over their personal favourites

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not saying it's not usable, but it's objectively the worst atm.

Of the staves

[mighty cipher]

But it’s like comparing flavors of ice cream. It’s not far behind.

[untold widget]

only voidsurge is good at carapace, lightning and trauma are mid, and purg uses crushers as Empathic Evasion batteries

[glacial socket]

purge i think is one of the better defensive staffs

[radiant sleet]

Voidstrike makes heads go pop with a noise that makes monkey brain go whirr so it is the best

[glacial socket]

it suppreses aton of enemies, with crits you can perma dodge ranged attacks in hordes

[brave fiber]

if purgatus got that soulblaze blessing it might end up being really powerful dot against monstrosities, which would finally give psyker a good option against them

[untold widget]

surge staff is for monstrosities

or gunker

[vast yew]

Voidstrike and Fire Trauma are S-tier, Surge and Rending Truama are A-tier, Purgatus is like an A- or B+

[untold widget]

gunker melts monsters

[mighty cipher]

BB is one of the most consistent Monster damage options in the game.

[vast yew]

it's just a little behind the others

[untold widget]

If you're a psyker and think purg is not S tier, you're not a good psyker

[vast yew]

but still deals good damage

[blazing echo]

I like BB, I can kill any monstrosity by maxing peril with it followed by shriek and then keep going. Normally dead before periling out a second time

[brave fiber]

I refuse to acknowledge gunker because I have an allergy to automatic weapons and rifles

[glacial socket]

true

[untold widget]

If monstrosity damage is important to you, for some reason, then gunker is your best bet.

[mighty cipher]

Fair enough

[glacial socket]

I play psyker to use vile sorcery

[untold widget]

same

[radiant sleet]

Same, magic stick is all I know

[brave fiber]

The closest I’ve gotten to anything other than a staff in this game is revolver on zealot

[glacial socket]

my thousand son models will stab me to death if I grab a gun

[untold widget]

I also leave monstrosities to stealth zealots and vets

because thats their job

[mighty cipher]

I cast power, word:torque!
Every male enemy screams in unison

[untold widget]

my job is bulk enemy removal, and purgatus does that better than anything

[glacial socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055669830176485418/1176325417653772348/CHAOSKID_20231120_3.gif?ex=656e756a&is=655c006a&hm=fb88fd2de5015a5a4152d12f4749ad3b17ded30405dfb843092d350a48904a2c&

[brave fiber]

I think every class should have at least one powerful option against monstrosities

[untold widget]

we do

gunker

[lethal lagoon]

Don't they?

[brave fiber]

Not just decent

[untold widget]

if you dont like it

then thats on you

[mighty cipher]

We do, Brain rupture.

[untold widget]

brain rupture is mid on bosses

gunker deletes them

[brave fiber]

^

[lethal lagoon]

BB is high mid, but still mid.

[brave fiber]

BB is eh

Wish it was better

Still usable tho

[mighty cipher]

It’s not the fastest but they die for being in your line of sight.

[lethal lagoon]

BB just doesn't really have a place in the current game

[radiant sleet]

Voidstrike is good enough against monsters considering how good it is elsewhere. The surge shots still do a nice chunk

[mighty cipher]

I love it

[vast yew]

BB's place is sniping snipers and specialists while giving you access to Psykinetic's Aura

[untold widget]

void is good because full charges stagger most of them

[brave fiber]

It does, literally just make it charge faster and do more dmg

[vast yew]

and it does that job quite well

[untold widget]

plogryns and chaos spawns

[lethal lagoon]

Well yes, that's my point. Needs improvement.

[brave fiber]

Or: just make emp bb default

[untold widget]

it has an option to charge faster, but you just wont use it lol

[lethal lagoon]

Also stop punishing EP BB for not one-shoting elites, it ruins BB.

[radiant sleet]

Yes the stagger is awesome too

[untold widget]

but the damage is mid

[mighty cipher]

I use BB to assblast elites from safety and begin the Perilous combustion critical mass.

[untold widget]

and by mid, I mean that it takes a while to drop one

instead of a stealth hammer zealot one shotting them

or a fan the hammer vet one clipping

[glacial socket]

Ive been of the mind that BB should always kill (exept for monst) but the charge time scales with target health

[brave fiber]

I take BB with purgatus to have a ranged option against carapace

[untold widget]

or a gaze gunker one clipping them

Y'all need to get better at DIV'ing crushers

H1 special on head, rinse repeat

they have no counter

[vast yew]

The counter is the other 4 Crushers

[brave fiber]

I’d rather not get close to a crusher horde or a crusher in the middle of a mixed horde

[glacial socket]

I think crushers arent to bad

[radiant sleet]

True, but I can live with that. I got 1 of each class in the premade group to dunk on the boss while I zoom around killing nurgle Special-ist soldiers

[vast yew]

[mighty cipher]

Use warp syphon. Looping kinetic resonance is typically better anyways since everything that isn’t an ogryn dies in two blasts anyways. And since the health cut Dragers took its possible to oneshot them with KR.

[glacial socket]

side dodging is effective against them, if your in a horde though they are painful

[brave fiber]

Crushers are easy, the issue is dealing with crushers while also dealing with the things around them

[untold widget]

I'm a psyker, there is no horde

[mighty cipher]

Absolutely the fuck not

[lethal lagoon]

I don't really plan on using BB till they buff it, but might give it a whorl. Especially with the 2 shield build to get back to back bonuses.

[vast yew]

It's Maelstrom; the horde is Ragers, Maulers, and more Crushers

[brave fiber]

You can’t clear hordes and kill crushers at the same time

[static needle]

are any of the big damage axes better at killing hordes compared to duelling sword?

[untold widget]

Can't I?

[harsh urchin]

brutal momentum is pretty insane yeah

[untold widget]

no

[harsh urchin]

ds isn't really a horde weapon

it's actually relatively slow at clearing hordes

comparatively

[untold widget]

D4 lights deals with hordes fine, if you're allergic to staffing the horde like a respectable psyker

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma can, but if we're talking a Purgatus build then you're just kinda hosed

Purgatus left-click not working on Crushers is a bit sadge

[untold widget]

I don't feel hosed

[mighty cipher]

The number of times I’ve “killed” a crusher/mauler/Rager in one shot because my team was also dealing damage to it is insane. Then that activates perilous thus making it consistently one shot other things causes a horny eagle death spiral and badda Bing badda boom the horde is gone.

[glacial socket]

BB at least 2 shots crushers with EP

[static needle]

not even antax V push attack? ive seen that one is pretty dang good

[brave fiber]

Trauma is the oddball out, but a lot of people don’t really use trauma unfortunately

[vast yew]

Good; the more people don't use Trauma the more Fatshark won't look at it

[untold widget]

If you build it for ignoring hit mass it might be servicable

[glacial socket]

Trauma is slept on

[untold widget]

but again, meleeing hordes is not really efficient for psykers

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma is an utterly insane staff

[glacial socket]

annoying to get a good roll on one though

[static needle]

you mean brutal momentum?

[untold widget]

yeah

[static needle]

i just need it to be more effective than DS 4 so I can actually get malefic momentum going

the talent

[fallow gale]

hello sparkheads I have a question again, should I spend more on new staff or old is ok?

[sullen bobcat]

Voidstrike is also very good for mixed horde. Staggers the shit out of everything

[untold widget]

I just don't use that

lol

[vast yew]

I mean if you want a better weapon for horde clear than the DS4 just run an Illisi

[untold widget]

old is great

[harsh urchin]

old is good. but your purg staff needs work.

[fallow gale]

thx

[fallow gale]

you still remember it haha

ill work on it later dont worry :3

[harsh urchin]

yes the 50% burn is burned into my brain

and it makes me suffer at night

[fallow gale]

im using the 79% one

[brave fiber]

dude is slow cooking his enemies

[radiant sleet]

Over 1 mil dockets rolled on a trauma, guess I'm still maining voidstrike 🌝

[untold widget]

I just don't use that half of the tree unless I'm running assail, and even then I'm heading for Seer's aura and shriek

so

[harsh urchin]

play some other classes lol

rolling staves is more demanding on your dockets

[untold widget]

this might end up alright tbh

[harsh urchin]

than on plasteel

so you can balance that out by rolling some weapons that are more plasteel intensive

[radiant sleet]

I dont want to play the others but I could make 2 more Psykers so I have one of each voice!

[mighty cipher]

Play the others. You’ll grow to like them.

[vast yew]

I'd recommend being at least familiar with the others so you know strengths/weaknesses

[mighty cipher]

That too

It’s helps a TON

[vast yew]

like for example if you are a Surge staff Psyker and you roll into a lobby with 2 Plasma vets... one of you should probably change

[untold widget]

I always end up wishing I was psyker when I play the others

[mighty cipher]

Do you still like them?

[untold widget]

not really

slapping things as ogryn is fun, but not effective

[radiant sleet]

I play in a group where we each picked one of the 4 classes so I'm basically locked to psyker. But I do play more than the others so I suppose I could try the other classes when I'm solo just for practice

[bold maple]

I like vet and zealot, ogryn is meh

[untold widget]

I just really don't have the patience for single target damage in these games

[harsh urchin]

you can have more than 1 of a class in this game

build diversity is quite good

[vast yew]

Shield Ogryn is almost as good at controlling enemies as a Psyker; just heavy attack everything while the bleed kills them

[static needle]

If you want to get malefic momentum going easily while using DS mk 4, is that effective?

[untold widget]

that's warp damage buff on non-warp attack kill? so yes

5 h1's and you're golden

[radiant sleet]

Maybe I'll try knife Zealot or gunlugger that's the only thing I could see myself enjoying other than Psyker

[static needle]

h1?

[untold widget]

heavy 1

[vast yew]

~~If you want to get ~~malefic momentum going easily while using DS mk 4, is that effective?
Malefic Momentum has some problems in general, but DS4 should activate it fine

[untold widget]

the first stab

or both stabs really

[static needle]

ok

[untold widget]

I don't build it, but I don't see why it wouldn't be fine.

[mighty cipher]

Build diversity in this game is crazy. They went fucking sicko mode designing the skill trees. It says a lot that Vet is the only one that they had trouble figuring out.

[vast yew]

spam lights and push attacks into a horde, then switch to assail to continue killing horde, switch back

[untold widget]

my uncanny precog lights deal with hordes as well after a dodge

[vast yew]

important note for DS4: if you want to activate rampage, you have to use the push attack at least once. after that follow-up lights can re-activate it

[static needle]

assail for stagger?

[static needle]

but can u reliably hit the head tho with DS4?

[untold widget]

I can reliably hit the head with anything

but yeah

[vast yew]

with both lights and heavies it's pretty easy

[mighty cipher]

And Scalding hot take. Vet didn’t even need keystones. I always thought of it as the gun itself being the keystone.

[queen fog]

Valid considering the volleyfire builds that were around before they added keystones

[vast yew]

this is like saying the Psyker's staff choice is the keystone :/

[bold maple]

Vet keystone is dog and I run vet wo keystones anyway so

[vast yew]

no build needs keystones, but they offer a unique build path to go towards

[untold widget]

lots of breakpoints die without Warp Siphon charges on Psyker

[vast yew]

you don't have breakpoints you use Purgatus

[untold widget]

for my D4 one shotting muties, I do

I don't want to stab twice

[vast yew]

then just crit 4head

[untold widget]

that's not the point of a breakpoint

[vast yew]

no it was a joke

[untold widget]

I could tell by the tone in your voice

[queen fog]

U hear voices?

Same

[bold maple]

joking is verboten when these nerds talk about breakpoints

[untold widget]

don't we all,s ibling?

[vast yew]

I don't hear any voices; if I did my Beloved would tell them to shut up

[queen fog]

I have met a sibling who didnt go with “the voices” background

[untold widget]

Joke all you want, but I want to know that I'm gonna one shot something regardless of crits when I'm doing A5HISTG

[queen fog]

I was malding the 1st time he told me

[mighty cipher]

Psyker’s keystones change how you play on a nearly fundamental level. Crazy buffs into 60% cooldown reduction, giga buffing your blitz, and schizo god telling you ”That motherfucker, kill him and I’ll give you buffs” all change your gameplan like doing crack for the first time.

[untold widget]

I made a Male Savant last week, been playing him lots lately

[mighty cipher]

Sibling!

[queen fog]

Ngl that was an amazing description of distrupt destiny

[vast yew]

Male Loner is the funniest voice just for when he yells at the subtitles

I wish Female Loner did it too 😦

[mighty cipher]

She does

[queen fog]

They do

[untold widget]

I can't stand the german accent lol

its so grating

[vast yew]

I swear I've never heard her do the "Look at me not them!" line

[mighty cipher]

It’s just a rare as shit voiceline

[radiant sleet]

START RUNNING AHAHHAHAHA

[untold widget]

Maybe I'll delete my vet and make another psyker for the loner voicelines

[radiant sleet]

I love psycho German with all my heart, he has a secret voiceline about the Garden of Nurgle

[mighty cipher]

The loner needs a very specific body type to make sense. I use the randomly generated characters and his face looks like Thor and his voice is literally Richthofen.

[untold widget]

I need name ideas though

[ripe remnant]

Well, that's the best I've managed yet. Why did they have to make it so hard? At least if they made it 3/4 stacks, I would've already completed it.

[untold widget]

What's your WS tree look like?

[radiant sleet]

True I spent some time making my character based around the loner voice. Pale ass mofo with tattoos and a sad backstory

[vast yew]

play a Scab Melee Maelstrom and don't use your ult for 5 minutes

easiest achievement of your life

[mighty cipher]

I was thinking more of the ”Cannot legally be within 50 yards of a school zone” look.

[untold widget]

I prefer writhing tbh

evokes a better mental image

[ripe remnant]

I can't pull it on damnation

[mighty cipher]

Holy shit it really is that easy isn’t it

[mighty cipher]

Wait for a heresy or malice version

[radiant sleet]

I mean, once I shaved my hair to fit my helmet I think I fall into that category. I look like a bald pale freak with face tats

[mint pivot]

STOP TROLLING ME YOU WRECH OF A SHOPKEEP

[untold widget]

that's fine?

doesn't first target only count if you hit more than one at a time?

[vast yew]

42 first target is a bit oof

[mighty cipher]

Dogshit first target hurts BAD

[olive ember]

Is there a way to make discord mobile not trash

[mint pivot]

Ye...

[mighty cipher]

Your heavies won’t do shit

[vast yew]

... No, that is not how that works

[radiant sleet]

The new update ruined everything

[vast yew]

It's a damage multiplier to the first target hit

how many you hit doesn't matter

[untold widget]

the description is wrong then

[mighty cipher]

Y i k e s

[vast yew]

the text at the bottom is often wrong

[untold widget]

sad

[vast yew]

or sometimes the description entirely!

for example: did you know that the term "Cleave Damage" on the DS4 is a complete and utter lie

[mighty cipher]

Yeah no the ingame text is unreliable at best, genuinely fucking wrong at worst.

[vast yew]

it affects all damage, not just 2nd target and onwards

because reasons

[untold widget]

source?

[mighty cipher]

I made it up

[vast yew]

source is look at the in-game damage numbers

[harsh urchin]

that's how it works.

[mighty cipher]

Also Fatshark is a Swedish company

[vast yew]

if you have two DS4's with identical damage, but one has higher cleave damage, you can go into the weapon stat breakdown and see it does more damage to Unarmoured

when that number shouldn't change

does it matter? No not really it's still the dump stat

but it's annoying

[untold widget]

then those numbers are probably wrong

[harsh urchin]

if your weapon does 100, 80, 50, 20, 20 damage distribution; if you have a 1.1 first target multiplier; that entire distribution changes afaik.

[mint pivot]

Welp... atleast the shopkeep redeemed himself by allowing me to try this piece of shit for the first time

[untold widget]

dang

nice

[mighty cipher]

Imma bust just looking at it

[mint pivot]

whats the best way to "focus farm" curios?

[mighty cipher]

Tf you mean by focus farm?

[untold widget]

what's the next perk and blessing though, don't get psyk'd until hardon hasn't bricked it

[mint pivot]

stuck using shit like and i feel like its holding me back so hard

[untold widget]

it's not

[mighty cipher]

Cause the ONLY farm is Sour Milk

[radiant sleet]

Milkbucks

[untold widget]

curios are icing on the cake

[mint pivot]

So we just stuck hoping one even remotely usable happens to appear on the shop?

[untold widget]

they won't make or break you

Play the 55/60 game

[mighty cipher]

They do help a ton though

[untold widget]

log in at 55 and check and then again in 5 minutes

repeat every 2 hours

[vast yew]

I mean I'd switch two of those substats to Toughness Regen Speed and 5% hp/toughness, that'd help

substat switching is pretty cheap

[untold widget]

they help a little, idk about a ton

[mighty cipher]

Buy them from Melk.

[mint pivot]

I feel like my shit curios are starting to hold me back since i play pretty much solely damnation/auric damnation

Too squishy or something

[untold widget]

I tend to watch the shop and wait for a perfect blessing curio to come around, and buy it

[glossy ember]

corruption res is decent at least

[vast yew]

90% Toughness Regen Speed definitely helps a lot, though less on Psyker because we have so much toughness regen at the top of the tree

[mighty cipher]

I have 82% block efficiency, 11% cooldown, and 50/51 extra toughness. Having the right stats on them is super nice.

[glossy ember]

just gamble curios on milk

[untold widget]

all I'm saying is I can carry a bunch of mouth breathing idiots through damnation without any curios, so whether they make or break a build is subjective

[glossy ember]

yea idk i definitely want bomber res curios rn

cuz that shit is nuts

[vast yew]

Yeah and there's people out there who true solo DWONS3 in Vermintide, but that doesn't mean shit for when you give advice to regular mortals

Curios help, and they can help a lot

[untold widget]

I must quote the ancient gaming proverb: "Git gud"

[mighty cipher]

Damage resistance curios aren’t really that great. It’s definitely a tertiary thing you want.

[mint pivot]

maaaan... fuck hadron

[vast yew]

the biggest thing isn't to get perfect curios though, it's to get decent curios

[vast yew]

wtf are you talking about that's fixable

Transfer Peril -> Warp nexus, 1.5 Stamina -> Flak

[untold widget]

ez

[vast yew]

it's not a Surge Voidstrike but it'll work

[mint pivot]

Ye, hadron just wants to throw that fucking stamina or sprint efficiency on EVERYTHING i have

[untold widget]

you could do flurry/surge if you run true aim and chain headshots

[mint pivot]

Ye... not with my aim... I cant even make assail hit a target

[vast yew]

honestly with Flurry/Nexus you can drop the True Aim if you want those 2 points elsewhere, like for PC

[untold widget]

oh

well

[mighty cipher]

Yeah that’s sick. You literally have two throw away pips and two keep like your life depends on them pips. Mostly cause it does but whatever

[harsh urchin]

flurry surge is kinda trash from my testing

[vast yew]

Meant Flurry/Nexus

oops

[harsh urchin]

you have crits when you dont need them, and you dont have crit balls when you need them

[mighty cipher]

Yeah I wouldn’t take Flurry AND surge but both of them are Awesome blessings.

[vast yew]

You could also keep Flurry and Transfer Peril and do the funny Scrier's Gaze build

[harsh urchin]

I would just go non-crit voidstrike with transfer/flurry

with that staff

[mint pivot]

Ye turns out, i have exactly 1x tier1 things for that staff... And its peril = crit

jesus i need to learn the game at some point

[untold widget]

oof

[mint pivot]

ah well... Get to test this staff for the first time

[untold widget]

its a painful process

make 365+ base rating weapon, rank up to orange and nuke for T4 blessings

you can stop at blue if you get a T3 or T4 that you don't have to save plasteel

[olive ember]

But what about transfer peril surge kekw

[untold widget]

you need a way to force crits with surge without nexus

or else you wont surge enough

[vast yew]

completely broken with True Aim on Sedition

[olive ember]

[untold widget]

RIP True Aim Smite

I miss oyu

[olive ember]

I don’t

[radiant sleet]

True aim + surge + nexus void is peak gaming

[olive ember]

I miss EP surge tho

When surge staff was good

[vast yew]

Surge staff is fine

[untold widget]

EP surge was actually broken

[olive ember]

It’s fine but it’s not good smh

[willow hazel]

Surge is the best staff atm

[vast yew]

it's better than Purg

[olive ember]

Lmao that’s cap

[untold widget]

surge suffers with hordes

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-why-the-fuck-you-lyin-dancing-why-the-fuck-why-are-you-lying-gif-7431053

[willow hazel]

Imagine caring about hordes with PC and Creeping Flames

[radiant sleet]

I tried broken EP surgestaff for a day and I felt dirty because I was also using assail (as always) so I swapped to warp charges when using surge staff

[olive ember]

Surge best staff is like when zealots said bleed knife was good

[vast yew]

EP Surge was disgusting

[willow hazel]

Yeah EP surge was dumb

[vast yew]

Needed to take a shower after trying it

[olive ember]

EP surge was fine, it just didn’t need the 3 target cap

[plucky flax]

Oh look it's surge doing work.

[olive ember]

Mfw 1/3 your damage comes from fire

Surge is doin work alright

[plucky flax]

It's the same when I play gun psyker.

Xd

[olive ember]

[untold widget]

hmm

[olive ember]

i speak the truth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty cipher]

EP surge was not fucking fine. It was OBJECTIVELY better than brainburst.

[vast yew]

oh god no the Charge Rate

[untold widget]

yeah

[vast yew]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

that's so sad

[olive ember]

That’s cuz BB was/is meh

[untold widget]

My beloved believes I require training my patience, siblings.

it'll work for now

anyways

[willow hazel]

It's almost like the best single target staff works well with on kill triggers

[olive ember]

The only problem is every other staff does the same thing but better lol

[mighty cipher]

I will not accept any BB slander, that shit slaps like a drunk uncle.

[olive ember]

Besides maybe purge

[willow hazel]

Not single target

[olive ember]

Who gives a shit about single target when the game goes oops 20 maulers

Oops 20 ragers with 6 mutants

Have fun with surge staff

[willow hazel]

Kill 2 maulers + Vent, then everything dies.

[vast yew]

Surge does fine vs. a bunch of Maulers because it stuns a few of them at a time and can fire super fast

[willow hazel]

same with ragers

[untold widget]

Ooops 20 ragers is what True Aim Voidsurge was born for

even better if you can funnel them into a hallway

[olive ember]

Trauma and voidstrike both outperform surge, purge has many situations where it’s better than surge

[willow hazel]

only if you have the 1.7 seconds to charge up

[olive ember]

Surge is a single target staff that doesn’t do damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast yew]

gonna steal Chaos' video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLyCvk-Dom4

[willow hazel]

When you use surge do you ever press Q?

[untold widget]

My current best is 9 ragers, 2 gunners, and a dog with a single fully charged voidstrike

[plucky flax]

[vast yew]

You don't need to do quickswap cheese to make Surge work tbh

[plucky flax]

That's bugged surge. Now it's so much easier.

[olive ember]

[vast yew]

MY EYES SIBLING

[olive ember]

I bet you use midnight in discord smh

[mighty cipher]

Correct

[olive ember]

As it turns out I’m outside so light mode like a well adjusted person who goes outside

[willow hazel]

The thing is with the animation canceling, it's clearly the best staff

[olive ember]

Not that I’m well adjusted or go outside by choice

[glossy ember]

surge seem to reliably 2 hits maulers since this patch hit it's kinda nice

[olive ember]

Time to fucking run surge again with QQ canceling now

It’s gonna feel like shit but

Gotta try it out ig

[glossy ember]

no i press G

[vast yew]

still under Blaze Trauma and Surge True Aim Voidstrike IMO

[glossy ember]

qq cancelling surge

[vast yew]

but above Purg either way

[glossy ember]

blitz cancel instead

[mighty cipher]

The hell is QQ canceling?

[willow hazel]

How is blitz canceling better?

[olive ember]

Purge needs buffs

[glass forge]

what can psyker do when 3 Dreg Ragers chase you and u have half stamina, half health to run away..

[olive ember]

Give me all the purge buffs

[mighty cipher]

I know it’s swapping the weapon hella fast but what does it do?

[vast yew]

if you swap away from the Surge staff during the channel animation it skips the animation and deals damage instantly

[plucky flax]

Blitz cancel in this game is faster than qq cancel.

[mighty cipher]

OH

[vast yew]

but I think it breaks Warp Flurry

[untold widget]

how would you buff purg?

[glossy ember]

it does?

[vast yew]

soooo it's a funny tech but only kinda helpful

I think it does

[glossy ember]

huh

[willow hazel]

not since they reworked it in patch 13

[glossy ember]

might be why warp flurry feels so inconsistant to me

[mighty cipher]

Purgatus doesn’t really need buffs. You can literally pick a direction and enemies can’t come from it anymore.

[vast yew]

either way the dps increase isn't worth the extra carpal tunnel

[willow hazel]

if only it actually did damage

[plucky flax]

Most melee kills most ranged kills I am getting even better with illisi smite surge now.

[mighty cipher]

What?

[untold widget]

the enemies don't die from hurt feeligns

[willow hazel]

it takes like 15 seconds to kill a rager

[vast yew]

Purg can struggle a bit on higher difficulties where armor is everywhere

[untold widget]

no

[frigid zenith]

Heretic, there is only mk4ds.

[vast yew]

But the only thing it really, actually struggles with are Crushers, which can't be staggered by the left click

[plucky flax]

Me when I use mk4 ds and try to block bullets.

[untold widget]

Left click might take 15 seconds to kill a rager

[mighty cipher]

It take one charge? And you can kill any number in front of you at the same time.

[frigid zenith]

lol, I know them feels.

[untold widget]

which is what D4 is for

or uncanny deimos

[vast yew]

Yes, but unfotunately you cannot both channel the right click and stab heads at the same time

[plucky flax]

Surge is okay against crushers if you have space to run back.

[vast yew]

which means whichever role you're filling, your teammates have to do the other

[untold widget]

channel right click until everything but crushers is dead, then stab

ez

[willow hazel]

and then they die 15 seconds later, if your team doesn't get impatient decide to kill them

[frigid zenith]

I think the issue with purg staff in AMs is people using them don't do nearly as well as they think they are. They're probably getting credit for others warpfire damage becasue they might be in a closed in map and are getting soulblaze stacks on first.

[untold widget]

they die during the channel my guy

[plucky flax]

I've played purga less than 10 times since patch 13 and every time I played it I wished I was using another staff.

[mighty cipher]

No? They die before you’re even done channeling.

[untold widget]

I run purg on the carnival maps

[frigid zenith]

Purg is kinda like the bolter, when using it I feel like something else would just do the same job but better.

[olive ember]

More fire

Kekw

[mighty cipher]

Now once they’re on top of you you’re kind fucked but until they get there they’ll either end up suppressed long enough to cause a stagger or staggered outright.

[olive ember]

Probably more maniac damage in all seriousness

Since it takes two purge blasts to kill a maniac smh

[vast yew]

Yeah Purgatus use cycle tends to be channel right click -> something gets in your face -> swap to melee -> stay in melee rest of fight

unless teammates help you out

[frigid zenith]

I'd change the purge staff to have a built in wildfire that actually works fully like the tooltip says.

[untold widget]

channel right click > somethin in your face, swap to melee and stab it once, swap back to purg and channel more right lcick

[bold maple]

Skill issue, just look at them with the channel for a split second and they’re staggered

[mighty cipher]

Y’all don’t got enough faith in the stagger that it has. I find myself forgetting that I have a melee while running it.

[vast yew]

this does not work on Ragers or stronger

[untold widget]

it does though

[bold maple]

It stagger ragers in 2 seconds bud

[frigid zenith]

Shit you catch on fire with the staff transfers to everything around as things die.

[vast yew]

I have tried it on ragers and eaten axe to face

[willow hazel]

Also worth noting that PC doesn't proc from soulfire damage, which really sucks for purgatus

[mighty cipher]

It’s does, but you have to have at least some distance between you and them.

[bold maple]

If there’s like 20 rager then ok, reposition

But if there’s 1 or 2 in a horde not an issue

[vast yew]

If PC proc'd from soulfire damage it would be obscenely broken

[untold widget]

ragers by them selves, but ragers in a horde stagger when the walkres die around them

[vast yew]

kill 2 elites and the rest cascade

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, because once they start their combo you need a fucking train to stagger them.

[untold widget]

if its ragers by them selves then just left click stagger and then right click channel

they die before they recover

[vast yew]

Surge, Purgatus Left click, Voidstrike, and Trauma can stagger them IIRC

[bold maple]

All purg need is an aoe and maybe range buff, dmg is fine

[mighty cipher]

What’s PC again?

[vast yew]

Perilous Combustion

[untold widget]

perilous combustion

[mighty cipher]

Oh yeah

[mighty cipher]

I can tell you right fucking now the Purgatus M1 won’t take them out of their combo.

[knotty canopy]

why does EP smite feel like it does nothing?

[olive ember]

Oh if they made a blessing that give purge rending on crit I’d take that too kekw

[mighty cipher]

It takes a few

[vast yew]

aight well it's just the other 3 staves then

[vast yew]

because EP Smite is kind of a meme

[untold widget]

wondering about a gaze purg build...

[vast yew]

it's not bad... but it's not exactly good either

[bold maple]

I miss the unlimited smite channeling

[mighty cipher]

Make EP smite have the final hitbox do like 250 damage or something.

[bold maple]

It was easy mode when that bug was around

[vast yew]

I mean it'll probably work but I don't think you need the extra Gaze buffs honestly

[frigid zenith]

What are you talking about, EP smite slaps if you can keep your EP up with a revolver all the time.

[vast yew]

and Gaze doesn't work with WS

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, hence why it needed to go.

[vast yew]

orrrr you could go EP assail and kill the horde twice as fast

[mighty cipher]

Lmao. I found that out myself in the psykharnium one day.

[frigid zenith]

Yeah but like... my Palpatine dreams...

[vast yew]

oh I know, I enjoy the full Palaptine build

[untold widget]

crit just gives 2 stacks of soulfire

[mighty cipher]

I honestly think EP need a rework. It’s got a nice niche for BB but otherwise it’s mid as hell.

[untold widget]

just gonna test it rq

[vast yew]

Yeah but you have 40% crit anyways so you're gonna hit max stacks in like 1.5 seconds

[willow hazel]

the damage buff should also affect soulfire

[frigid zenith]

I was just fucking around with smite and a revolver, dropped the smite upgrade becsasue they don't seem to do shit and rolled a 800k damage game with it. Color me surprised.

[willow hazel]

but it can't be worth as much damage as just creeping flames

[plucky flax]

Illisi smite surge my 2nd favourite psyker build

[bold maple]

EP need a buff fs, it sacrifices a keystone for strong bliz basically

[vast yew]

this is literally Sith Lord.build

[bold maple]

but the blitz are mid

[mighty cipher]

The fuck you mean by the Blitzes are mid?

[willow hazel]

Is your favorite mk4 surge?

[plucky flax]

I am the senate.

[vast yew]

I think his favorite is the Blaze Trauma build

[willow hazel]

shame

[bold maple]

I mean it’s fucking mid can you read

[frigid zenith]

We need to organize a 4 man smite game.

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma in my hand is too good so I limit my play time with it.

[vast yew]

My graphics card would burn

[plucky flax]

I don't want to ruin others games.

[bold maple]

compared to the other keystones aside from EP BB the other 2 is meh

[vast yew]

literally just explode

[plucky flax]

Sure I can be the smite only guy.

[mighty cipher]

BR is a Can’t miss LOS two tap machine. Smite is CC incarnate. Assail.

[frigid zenith]

smitexsmitexsmitexsmite who will win the DPS war?!?!?

[ornate hamlet]

Assail's only problem right now is the sound

[plucky flax]

Smite only but then a monster spawn.

[vast yew]

EP Assail works better than DD IMO for Gaze builds but Gaze builds are kinda weird anyways

[frigid zenith]

It's ok, we all brought mk4ds and a revolver.

[mighty cipher]

Oh, and BR can OHKO Dragers now since the health cut.

[untold widget]

the ramp up is fast enough to make my pulse quicken irl

turns out

idk how well it'd do in game though, due to complications

[mighty cipher]

Gaze is the resident ”I can’t tell if this is a joke or genuinely effective” ability.

[olive ember]

[vast yew]

4x EP Smite w/ Upgrades is the "which dies first: the enemy or the server" build

[mighty cipher]

If you think the sever survives that you’re optimistic to a fault

[plucky flax]

[frigid zenith]

I literally cannot tell if the smite upgrades actually work.

[mighty cipher]

You can notice them.

[frigid zenith]

Fucking I couldn't

[mighty cipher]

I’d say they’re worth it if you have some spare points.

[vast yew]

extra chain works but it's only worth it for the extra damage from EP Smite; regular smite stuns Ragers well enough
the 10% damage works but it's really not worth it

There's a lot of other spare points I'd spend first

like changing EP to WS, Warp Rider, Kinetic Deflection, PC...

[olive ember]

smite
EP
damage

[summer prairie]

you can see the +jump working here, but questionable whether it actually helps when there are enemies and they aren't positioned like this https://streamable.com/a2bn18

[olive ember]

[summer prairie]

it also, for whatever reason, gives +1m range

[frigid zenith]

Well that's good then.

[untold widget]

well gaze purg is noticably faster than WS purg

[vast yew]

is it faster than WS Purg + Creeping Flames?

[untold widget]

especially on ragers

[frigid zenith]

Who am I kidding, I'm still just gonna be a melee wizard.

poke poke poke.

[mighty cipher]

Tf you mean poke? I’m boutta cleave through 7 enemies with the Illisi

[untold widget]

yeah

it is

[untold widget]

7 enemies? wow. Watch out, we got a badass here.

[olive ember]

If the illisi only hit 7 enemies I would cry

[mighty cipher]

What is the cap? Cause whatever it is I’m hitting it.

[frigid zenith]

Everything but the crushers and maulers died to assail so it's poke poke.

[olive ember]

@spice veldt

[mighty cipher]

Ah, fair enough.

[olive ember]

It’s based on what enemies you are hitting tbh because every enemy has different hitmass

[mighty cipher]

Ah, fair enough

[olive ember]

It’s why voidstrike pre rework was shit

Cuz they had a cleave of like 6

For reference a gunner has like 4 hitmass iirc

[frigid zenith]

Ion Cannons unleashed!

[patent wing]

whats ur fav bb build guys?

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire Feedback loop

It’s my main build I I built mine from the ground up.

[frigid zenith]

Assail.

[untold widget]

purg, bb, creeping flames, WS

[vast yew]

Wildfire is terrible though

[mighty cipher]

Shut

[frigid zenith]

Wildfire > all

[patent wing]

combined with DS mk4?

[frigid zenith]

I will never not wildfire.

[vast yew]

(It splits the stacks between nearby enemies, and can't go over 4 total)

(It's terrible)

[mighty cipher]

I know

[untold widget]

nothing like taking a guy with 21 stacks of wildfire out, and getting one more stack on 4 mobs around them

[frigid zenith]

Hell yeah

super DPS.

[mighty cipher]

Still works well for the name though

[vast yew]

Better is getting a PC proc, putting 3 stacks on all the enemies, then you kill one of those enemies and get... 0 more on everyone, because it can't go higher than 3 😦 )

Why is this talent so bad Fatshark

[patent wing]

does BB count as crit=

[untold widget]

no

[vast yew]

it does not

[patent wing]

sad

[mighty cipher]

BB can’t crit

It does weakpoint though

[frigid zenith]

Animation cancel BB still does work on bosses though.

[plucky flax]

Wildfire me beloved.

[vast yew]

I challenge you to take off Wildfire and run a Scab Melee Maelstrom, then see what your damage is at the end

[untold widget]

I feel like Wildfire is just a visual effect for confirmation bias

[vast yew]

I bet it doesn't even move

[plucky flax]

Won't hit 1 Mil.

[vast yew]

Because Wildfire literally does nothing on a Blaze Trauma build

[plucky flax]

[vast yew]

everything either has 3 or 6 stacks so it literally cannot spread

[untold widget]

literally

[frigid zenith]

lies

[untold widget]

not figuratively

[frigid zenith]

post the vidja

[vast yew]

at least with Purgatus maybe one thing has 6 stacks and the thing next to it only has 4, so it puts an extra stack there

[mighty cipher]

I’m very biased and I regret to tell you that they aren’t lying.

[vast yew]

but even then...

[frigid zenith]

I'm still using it!

[untold widget]

who needs talent points anyways

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire is absolutely dogshit but it leads to a cool name

[frigid zenith]

T'is my forever and always.

[olive ember]

Wildfire is alright on trauma wat it’s purge that doesn’t need it

[vast yew]

If it did what the description says it does it'd be good but it's just so bad

[olive ember]

Tho tbh I just take it on both because brain off

More fire more happy

[vast yew]

If you crit with Trauma everything gets 3 stacks. Something with 3 stacks dies, everything nearby has 3 stacks, no stacks are spread

that's why it's literally a dead talent on Blaze Trauma

like it does literally nothing

[untold widget]

my purg build is so sparse I'd have to give up 2 stacks of WS to get wildfire, or give up empathic evasion

otherwise I'd test it

[vast yew]

it's a completely dead talent

[radiant sleet]

I remember when I first started leveling being sad that I was forever locked out of Wildfire but I guess I ain't missing out on much

[untold widget]

also gave a thought to DD purg build

[vast yew]

you can't weakspot with DD so the damage boost is strictly worse than WS giving 24%

[untold widget]

yeah true

but gaze though

[vast yew]

just use EP like a normal Gaze build

you should have Assail or BB anyways so it'll work out

[mighty cipher]

Normal gaze build?

[vast yew]

as in not a Gunker Gaze build

because gunkers are weird

[mighty cipher]

You’re weird

[vast yew]

thanks

😊

[mighty cipher]

You’re welcome

[untold widget]

gunkers are just disillusioned vets who are salty at the capstones

[olive ember]

That’s… not how wildfire works

[plucky flax]

I'm sad I can't take wildfire when running assail.

[olive ember]

Or am I losing it

[vast yew]

Pretty sure it is, because any target can't go over the initial number of stacks the dead enemy had

[mighty cipher]

Gunkers are wizards who’s favorite spell is ”5.56 to the dome”

[fresh reef]

does finesse damage apply to critical non-ws hits?

theory-crafting a scrier's surge build

[mighty cipher]

Critical damage buff.

[olive ember]

I am losing it* I mean the idea is that the fire spreads to targets not on fire

[vast yew]

The way it works, technically, is if something that is Soulblaze'd dies, it takes the stacks on it (up to 4) and tries to spread them nearby.
It splits the 1-4 stacks between targets so normally 4 targets near the dead enemy get 1 stack each
But it also has the stipulation that no target can get more stacks than the enemy that died, which means if everything has the same number of stacks, no spreading occurs

[untold widget]

I just want to run crit aura with purg without losing creeping flames 😭

[vast yew]

You have a Blaze Trauma, everything in the zip code is on fire

[radiant sleet]

Same, at least we get perilous and shriek flame though

[olive ember]

Yes but what about enemies outside my zip code

There’s always enemies

The enemy is everywhere

[mighty cipher]

Devs said fuck you and for good*(?)* reasons.

[vast yew]

If you could take Crit Aura + Creeping Flames everyone would always take Crit Aura

[radiant sleet]

I meant to ask you something. You know the true aim + assail + void + shriek build we were talking about the other day with that person asking alot of questions and you posted a video for them?

Have you tried that exact build with flame trauma? I'm curious if it works, since the trauma doesnt really work with true aim stack building, but assail still keeps the stacks flowing

[olive ember]

Devs hate me or they would buff surge and purge staff

And give me my shotgun back on psyker

[vast yew]

Shotgun Psyker would be cool

[late yew]

I am not sure about blaze trauma at all tbh

Why not take flurry instead

[vast yew]

take Kantrael and a Dagger, apply all 3 DoTs

[vast yew]

oh ho ho ho ho

[late yew]

How often blaze even matters

[vast yew]

because Blaze Trauma is arguably the strongest staff in the game

[plucky flax]

No it'll become a conflict of interest. When I play assail that's my main weapon. When I play trauma that's my main weapon. I won't know how to play both of them together.

[fresh reef]

1300 damage on crit
absolutely beautiful

[late yew]

in 90% of situations everything will die long before soulfire does anything

[late yew]

just spam assail until you run out of charges, then use trauma

[mint pivot]

BUT IT LOOKS PRETTY

[plucky flax]

Or I use my trauma for 95% of the round when I play trauma normally.

[vast yew]

A trauma staff's radius is 8.4 meters. It only deals 30 damage outside the epicenter, but everything still gets set on fire on a crit

[olive ember]

Blaze trauma is better against hordes due to how big the blast radius is tbh

[vast yew]

2 crits = 6 stacks = every groaner and poxwalker in your zip code is DEAD

it's an utterly absurd thing to watch in action

the range is mindboggling

[radiant sleet]

Makes sense ty for the input

[vast yew]

you can also just spam it at your feet to stagger anything trying to hit you while lighting it all on fire

[mighty cipher]

I CAST game crashes due to particle effects

[late yew]

please, i used it a plenty

And i also have extended scoreboard

and soulfire never had more than 20% of ranged damage

While with Flurry you get to do 30% faster attacks

Which ALSO improves your CC agaisnt big targets

[vast yew]

You are doing it wrong

that's not "20% of damage"

[plucky flax]

Imo it's counter productive to use those 2 pairing. They both excel at very similar things.

[vast yew]

that's nearly half

and yes Chaos I stole a screenshot from your vid

[plucky flax]

That's not me I'm not that good.

[late yew]

Well, i only have t3 nexus and blaze...

could be that

[plucky flax]

My sedition game does 50k damage top.

[vast yew]

you also need a godroll or the Blaze Trauma doesn't work

[willow hazel]

Is this also with Creeping flames?

[late yew]

i think mine is decent?

[vast yew]

an ideal staff will be used almost 100% of the map

you barely need to flip to melee or blitz

[olive ember]

Blaze only goes up to 3, nexus 4 is like 5% more crit from nexus 3 which is decent ish

[radiant sleet]

I can see that. Plus the void just helps so much for those far away crushers that assail cant deal with

[untold widget]

as if assail can deal with crushers

[vast yew]

nexus 4 is only a 0.5%-2.0% increase lol

[olive ember]

Wat

Nvrm

[mint pivot]

Sure it can, only need to launch like 30 assails

[vast yew]

Nexus 3 is 4.5 - 18%, Nexus 4 is 5-20%

[untold widget]

or stab it in the face 3 times with a dueling 4

[olive ember]

Assail with rending buffs can kill crushers

[mighty cipher]

And where the hell am I supposed to get those?

[late yew]

Fastest thing to kill crushers with is dueling sword

[olive ember]

Dueling sword with uncanny strike or revolver with hand cannon psure

[plucky flax]

Yep assail works best with ds4 and void/revolver for me. Other guns are good too but you gotta get in melee against crushers. Void and revolver can just shoot from far away.

[vast yew]

I think Flurry/Rending Shockwave works better than Flurry/Nexus

[olive ember]

I forget the exact interactions between em

[late yew]

I mean, try it

if you can do blesing reroll of course

[untold widget]

uncanny deimos can 2 shot them

[vast yew]

both Deimos and DS4 delete crushers pretty fast, the real challenge is dodging the other 4 while you do it

[olive ember]

2 heavies or light -> heavies

[late yew]

You are stuck in place if you do special

With DS you are more mobile

[mint pivot]

Imagine needing to dodge or block something instead of just holding down smite

[mighty cipher]

2 H2s

[open pike]

You are not using special on Deimos lmao

the H2 also knocks them over which is funny

[olive ember]

Ah so probably slower than just 3 heavies from ds4

[untold widget]

yeah no special, except at the beginning to stack uncanny

[late yew]

WTF IS THIS SHIT

[olive ember]

Tho deimos has better horde clear iirc

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

[olive ember]

Deimos doesn’t use heavies

[late yew]

GUYS , I THINK MELK GOT KILLED AND REPLACED BY IMPOSTOR

[radiant sleet]

Multiple crushers I just knock em down with charged void. If you get a good wrist flick you can knock down two at the same time with a surge crit. I follow up with deimos H2 for even more knockdown

[willow hazel]

Also the mk4's special can stagger a crusher

[fading depot]

soulfire is insane damage

[mighty cipher]

That’s Illisi

[vast yew]

[radiant sleet]

Deimos def uses H2

[vast yew]

Swap terrifying to Flurry and party

[mighty cipher]

Deimos is the 1k BASE DAMAGE H2

[olive ember]

I meant soecials*

[fading depot]

what the fuck Melk gave you a moderately decent item ?

[olive ember]

Deimos doesn’t use specials

[mighty cipher]

Ah

[olive ember]

I’m scatter braining

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That is NOT melk

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Hi brother

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I forgot did they change illisi?

Because illisi used to always use heavies

[vast yew]

Deimos can use special to turbo-charge Uncanny or do stupid amounts of damage to a Scab Captain but yeah otherwise it's risky

[mighty cipher]

?

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You're Vulkan

I'm Lion

[radiant sleet]

Once in a blue moon I use the deimos special to stun a rager for fun but yeah it's kinda wacky using it normally or frequently

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We're Primarchs

[mint pivot]

You are both useless

[mighty cipher]

Oh right

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😄

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[mighty cipher]

I’m actually a Lizard from FF3

[open pike]

The Deimos special is a really bad way to open Bulwarks I guess, but your staff, blitz, or ability would usually take care of that for you

[mighty cipher]

Common misconception

[late yew]

the fuck you mean moderately decent

it is almost a god roll

[mint pivot]

Dont you have some happy tree friends you have a tree hugging date? You fucking fossil 😄

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368 aint THAT crazy

Though nexus 4 is fat

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you lads wanna see the stupidest fucking death i had yet that was my own fault

[mighty cipher]

I have a 547 Illisi with Deflector 4 and Executor 4 that I got from Melk

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Yes

[late yew]

Barter mod is great

[olive ember]

As a white mage player in FFXIV I am a tree hugger

[vast yew]

Executor 4

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Damn you know maybe I should start checking Melk

[vast yew]

how the heck did you navigate your inventory my dude

[radiant sleet]

Deflector 4 still does not exist for me 😦 I want it so bad for my Deimos I cry every night looking at my def 3

[open pike]

I DON'T WAKE UP FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 375 ON MY STAFF SOLDIERS

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fuckin tokens aint gonna spend themselves

[late yew]

By scrolling, duh

[late yew]

Eh, it is not important

[mint pivot]

They would if you bribed your way in to shops with shit like this

[mighty cipher]

Deflector 3 is good enough. It’s only 2.5 less BE.

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He has a 376 devil's claw but the perks and blessings are both ass

[radiant sleet]

True, but number go up make brain go buzz

[olive ember]

Deflector tiers don’t do much because it’s just reduced peril/stamina gain from blocking attacks

[vast yew]

Deflector 4, Uncanny 4, and Warp Nexus 4 are thankfully not a huge upgrade over their T3 versions

[mint pivot]

Deflector is god tier due to being able to go gigachad and walk your zealot to the enemy gunline without giving a single fuck 😄

[late yew]

also not as bad as my hunt for surge blessing on Void

It took me 120+ levels

[vast yew]

makes it less likely for Hadron to brick things

[mighty cipher]

Executor is honestly great. Slaughter is definitely still better but exe still slaps since the attack pattern I use is completely horizontal.

[radiant sleet]

Yeah def 3 is most certainly working fine for now but I'm still going to be a whiner about it

[olive ember]

That’s a lie because as a zealot player you don’t stand behind your team you just run it down

[late yew]

... and then i was dissapointed with it

[olive ember]

I can confirm since zealot is my secondary character

I run it down all the time

[vast yew]

Thy Wrath Be Swift my beloved

[mint pivot]

Ah the sitting afk waiting to be rescued tactic of zealot mains 😄

[olive ember]

And then turn around to watch the surge smite psyker blow themselves up

True story

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It's almost impossible to blow yourself up as a smite psyker

You have to literally force it hard

[late yew]

Hmmm, again decent Milky item

[olive ember]

Well I watched someone do it

So uh

[mighty cipher]

I reserve the rights to viciously insult you for blowing yourself up with smite.

[mint pivot]

Fucking watch me 😄

[radiant sleet]

Emperor Bless that is pain. Pretty sure I 2 shot surge or something silly like that. But now I'm paying for it with bricked traumas and no def 4

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To be fair I guess not all smite psykers run shriek (though they should)

[mighty cipher]

The keyword there is almost

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I always push my perils up because I just ult it back down

[vast yew]

I mean Smite auto-quells

[olive ember]

Rando psykers min maxing their time on the ground

[mint pivot]

stun shield goes BZZZT

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Shriek just adds like 300k damage to every match

[mighty cipher]

The cowards at fatshark need to make the Perils of the warp explosion do 4000 base damage.

[mint pivot]

Why would i care about dmg when i am playing passive support 😄

[fading depot]

That's reasonable, that's not even a quarter of a boss's HP

[mighty cipher]

I WILL make a poxburster cosplay build.

[brave fiber]

Let it crit

[mint pivot]

ngl i want a boss nuker psyker build that just goes "AAAAAAAAH" before leaving the area in a crater

[vast yew]

so to blow yourself up as Surge/Smite you either have to really try with Smite, or mess up at edging your peril with Surge (and/or not have a staff capable of doing a one-tick Quell from 100%)

[open pike]

The whole room when the Psyker with 3 wound curios join

[radiant sleet]

Auric Mael perils only

[mighty cipher]

God I love that Edging is an important term to know in this game.

[vast yew]

The Psyker who never found his "R" key be like

[mint pivot]

Getting surrounded in a horde and paniccing -> blocking to gain peril -> staffing to finish off guys -> smiting to help team mates -> blowing yourself up because why the fuck not 😄

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Passive support.. right 😉

[late yew]

Psyker dying to perils should become demonhost

[olive ember]

They nerfed it early on to discourage the playstyle

[open pike]

Imaging the worst keystone ever where it's all just Perils of the Warp stuff

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10+ wound build

[ripe yacht]

Hell yeah.

[olive ember]

It’s why out with a bang is actually easier to get via a plasma gun vet than on psyker

[mighty cipher]

THEY DID? COWARDS

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Suicide psyker

[vast yew]

Martyrdom Psyker build when

[mighty cipher]

Suipsyker

[radiant sleet]

The REAL glass cannon

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Would actually be hilarious

[open pike]

Keystone that makes you lose a wound instead of going down along with multiple buffs for the explosion before getting vote kicked from the lobby

[ripe yacht]

Yes.

[mint pivot]

also needs to do friendly fire

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Tbh I'm being sold

[upbeat parcel]

is this change worth the plasteel

[vast yew]

the day they add friendly fire is the day all Psyker staves drop to F-tier

well maybe Voidstrike survives

[mint pivot]

Fuck it, i would smite the shit out of every zealot

[vast yew]

but Blaze Trauma would be so awful with FF lmao

[mint pivot]

oh god

[mighty cipher]

”Gtf outta here you Rager wannabe”

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This game would be awful with friendly fire

[vast yew]

entire team just constantly on fire

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Every match would take 30 minutes longer

[mint pivot]

😄

[radiant sleet]

Assail with friendly fire

[vast yew]

BB with Friendly Fire, auto-locking onto the Zealot instead of the Crusher:

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Ogryns when friendly fire is enabled

[mighty cipher]

New maelstrom modifier. Friendly fire. That’s it. No extra specials, no nothing else. Just friendly fire.

[mint pivot]

"Ok guys, im rocking fire build. You have exactly until you burn to death to finish this mission. May the odds be forever in your favor!"

[fading depot]

GENIUS

MAKE IT HAPPEN

[upbeat parcel]

maybe with friendly fire it will make ogryns get the fuck out of my los

[mint pivot]

All enemies replaced with dogs aswell

[vast yew]

Honestly not a bad idea, but would be utter chaos to try and play

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I'm all for that honestly

That'd be hilarious

[mint pivot]

How the fuck would melee work in CQC with friendly fire?

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It would probably be ranged only friendly fire like V2

[vast yew]

Assuming it's like Vermintide, which has FF but not on melee

[mint pivot]

awwww

Would love to get thunder hammered to the next match

[fading depot]

Melee friendly fire too would just be unplayable

[brave fiber]

4 stealth zealots turns every match into a social deduction game

[mighty cipher]

”PSYKER! WHY THE FUCK IS MY SCREEN BL- CRUNCH

[vast yew]

"And nothing of value was lost" - Psyker, probably

[open pike]

My entire team burning to death when I Shriek at 90% peril in their direction

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WHAT IF THE FREAK IS A DANGER TO US ?

[mint pivot]

It would be just absolutely maniac laughter over VOIP

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Funnier if it knocks them over too

[mighty cipher]

TF2 logic of ”At least the ragdoll was funny”

[mint pivot]

The real question here is: Would the fire debuff work like this patches fire or last patches fire?

[mighty cipher]

This patch

[open pike]

Just thinking about the friendly fire for Bounty Hunter's ult in V2 with double shot

It legit just deletes someone

[fading depot]

I remember when you could just one shot a boss b4 they nerfed it

[mighty cipher]

Okay, so funnily enough, a max power venting shriek with NO CHANGES to the damage actually does less than the new bomber fire.

[fading depot]

Sounds right

[mighty cipher]

Like I’m not kidding or anything this is a factual statement

[brave fiber]

Remember when chorus staggered bosses every pulse? Remember what they took from us

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They added that back I thought

[brave fiber]

It’s every other pulse now

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I thought they reverted that I mean

[mighty cipher]

Now it does it every other pulse. It’s actually better now since it doesn’t give the boss a seizure

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I never use SoC anyways

[brave fiber]

It went from every pulse to only first and last to every other

[fading depot]

I use shroudfield + TH and just one shot the mothafucka

[mighty cipher]

The bugged fire does 150~ dps by the way.

[brave fiber]

Yeah but you could also easily just politely walk the boss off a cliff side with old chorus

[mighty cipher]

If the player doesn’t have any health modifications they literally die before they even become actionable if you rez them in fire.

[olive ember]

Bugged fire is gonna get tuned so ima wait until after it’s fixed to see what it does

Tho rn I just treat it as crusher overheads but aoe

[fresh reef]

first game with Scrier Surge, don't think I did too terribly

[mighty cipher]

I think the new design is better. It’s supposed to not CC you and deal flat damage rather than instabreak your toughness

But…….

[olive ember]

Myeh personally I preferred the instant toughness break

It justified me running all health curios and play with 90 toughness

Now there’s like literally no reason not to run toughness

Besides one shot protection

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Remember when peril auto vented when not running force weapons?

[olive ember]

It still does that no?

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nope

it still vents, but after a second or so

so you can't KD tank indefinitely

[olive ember]

Oh right yeah

Oh that it got changed early on I remember now

Shit was broken before

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before that was nerfed I took a DH throughout the entire map

and then got a 2nd

and tanked 2 DH's

[olive ember]

I still remember being able to block ranged fire while you revived if you had a deflector FS

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with no problem

[olive ember]

And then they nerfed it

[radiant sleet]

Still works well with melee at least. I love reviving someone in a group of poxies just to hear "tink tink tink" when they try to hit me

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oh I still won't run without it

and I can still tank a single DH

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360 plasteel off an auric damnation

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but not a DH and 9 ragers

auric damnation gives exactly as much plasteel as regular fyi

but generally less as you have less time to forage

[radiant sleet]

Same I can't live without deflector tanking, it's just fun.

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yaeh maybe i should do normal damnation for plasteel farming

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auric is for dockets, regular is for mats

[glossy ember]

need mats to brick my new mkvi knife

rolled unyielding, sprint efficiency and the finesse on dodge blessing so far