psyker-class

[obtuse moth]

its so boring already without smite.....

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, for sure.

[obtuse moth]

just camp at the entrance far back enough you don't get back spawns

and fall asleep

[wheat quartz]

pretty much, so you get to stat pad hilariously

it's funny

[frigid zenith]

In carnival it's way more entertaining to hold in the container in the middle.

[severe folio]

ah the new chainsword feels

strange

i dont feel a lot of difference between these 2

[obtuse moth]

the heavies do a lot more damage

[severe folio]

it does but

im not sure if its reaching any new breakpoint

[frigid zenith]

Did they break the math on the old revolver? I FEEL like I'm getting higher crits than before.

[severe folio]

im still doing 4 slap on crusher like the old one

[frigid zenith]

I was pretty consistently 3 shotting them. I've two shot some now.

[severe folio]

i 3 shot sometime too

[gray jetty]

New chainsword sawing sucks

[severe folio]

and 2 shot whenever a crit happen

[gray jetty]

Like, I swear it takes sway longer to finish

[severe folio]

it take the same amount

[frigid zenith]

The old chain axe slaps now.

[wheat quartz]

how about the new knife

[frigid zenith]

Haven't tried that.

[severe folio]

new knife seem kind of crazy

the block attack stab so fast

[wheat quartz]

competitive with DS4, you reckon?

[severe folio]

still quick access the heavy stab with special attack

and now the heay combo can cleave horde kinda

if it dont get block by bruisers lol

havent test hitmass

uhh im not sure if its better than mk4, or competing with it

but its certain seem bright

[frigid zenith]

Mk4 2 shots crushers. I don't see that happening with a knife.

[idle bay]

Question: does new Twins mini-bosses always just escape like little scared b.? Or it's possible to kill the, like with Thunderhammer BONK?

[severe folio]

maybe

[severe folio]

it does something like this instead

[smoky linden]

psyker is back to bein' as good as it was in beta, nic

nice

[brave plinth]

Warp flame go brrrr

[obtuse moth]

what is that combo?

[severe folio]

its push attacks lol

just push attack

[obtuse moth]

lmao

and it procs haymaker? this is silly

[smoky linden]

ha ha burning knife

[potent echo]

its just uncanny and flesh tearer right

[wheat quartz]

I just got one with uncanny 3 flesh tearer 4 on my zealot, I'm gonna give it a spin

[severe folio]

yeah its just uncanny flesh tearer

[potent echo]

zealot cant really afford to spam push attack

because no KD

but in the same vein they can get 20% extra damage from 0 stamina

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge makes me feel at ease when playing non-Trauma pub Psyker

[potent echo]

the other psyker a smite main?

[vestal fulcrum]

Uh, I think so, they were definitely using Smite

I just didn’t notice them making a lot of impact that run

[potent echo]

1% crit rate gave it away mainly, also nonexistant damage

[static needle]

Is the new revolver good for scrier's builds?

[severe folio]

uhhh

[potent echo]

uhh

[severe folio]

its certainly fast

[static needle]

lol

[potent echo]

is there any reason to use it over laspistol

[severe folio]

and feels good to go fast

[potent echo]

isnt laspistol just better

lol

[static needle]

idk cool factor?

[severe folio]

oh im not really sure

uhhh

it has less ammo

[static needle]

this is my fear

[potent echo]

other than personal perference

[severe folio]

deals more damage

[potent echo]

but the heavy laspistol also does damage

[severe folio]

faster than laspistol ?? lol

[potent echo]

it can one shot trash

[static needle]

okay well is the new one good?

[severe folio]

its def faster than both the laspistol

the new one

[potent echo]

good if you like to aim your shots

[severe folio]

i think the new one kinda slow

[static needle]

yes ofc

[potent echo]

if you just spam just take the old one

[potent echo]

new one can kill shooters from 15m away in 1 headshot

pretty good

[severe folio]

my chainsword

[potent echo]

how do you even horde clear with this weapon

all the combos dont make sense

i think spamming lmb is the most effective but it has the stinky strikedown

[obtuse moth]

i cant even seem to get the third heavy into a light chain

[gray jetty]

Spam lights

Rampage savage sweep

Actually starts turning hordes into lumps of flesh

[severe folio]

push attacks too

if you want the 3rd heavy you have to do light 3 tme

[potent echo]

push attack is like 45 degree

poo

and the follow up after push attack is them drawing an X

like why

[brave plinth]

For The Bloodgod thats why!

[severe folio]

push, light, heavy

seem to be the widest strikes

[brave plinth]

Also what are some good traits/perks for the purge staff?

[potent echo]

flak , maniac/crit

nexus/flurry

run and gun is extremely meme

but if you apply max stacks of burn on the enemy and start sprinting you just do more damage

[brave plinth]

My dyslexia made this into something very different

[potent echo]

but rarely do you have time to just sprint around

[idle bay]

Does anyoine tested muttiple stimm injections on same character (with different effects) - dies every stimm works at once ? 🙂

[potent echo]

easy to try in the psyk, i didnt try it though

[severe folio]

i tried

(im not addicted)

it doesnt stack, it replace each other

[brave plinth]

Sus

[severe folio]

and you cant use health stimm if you full health, youll do a twirl instead

[potent echo]

twirl

i like healing the team

just feels nice

[clear heath]

heal the martyrdom zealots to make them suffer

[potent echo]

f

[severe folio]

hm

i think the new chainsword can 1 shot mutant with a rev'ed light

[potent echo]

on headshot?

[severe folio]

on headshot

[gray jetty]

Doesn't old chainsword do the same

[severe folio]

no

cant 1 shot on rev light

[sour hollow]

I WANT TO SCREAM. PAST TWENTY HOURS OF BECOMING A SWEATY PSYKER AND ALL I HAD TO DO WAS INCREASE THE STUPID WARPCAP TO SIX AND I DID THE STUPID WARP PENANCE AAAAAAAAAA

I'm not a bad psyker, I'm not doing something wrong, THIS WAS JUST STUPID

So, for the record, anyone chasing that penance. For the love of god max it out to six, because other sources saying it works at four are lying. A.

[severe folio]

we know that

[sour hollow]

I had been told it works at four, so I was trying harder, and harder, maximizing my every lil movement for the past twenty hours until I became comfortable rushing ahead of zealots into maulers and more and...it was just. Maxing it to six. ;w;

I'm somewhere between laughing and mad as hell. lmao

[severe folio]

well you should kill whoever told you its 4

[rigid rune]

This is false I completed this penace with 4 lol

[summer prairie]

It could definitely be completed with 4 before the class overhaul at least

[clear heath]

i did it with 4 before skill tree update

[sour hollow]

It is not false. I literally just went through hell doing it with four, and the one time I did six, no other changes, not even high-intensity

I did it.

[rigid rune]

I got the game Oct 11 so def after class overhaul

[summer prairie]

was it tracking your attempts when you had only 4, as in the achievement was showing your best attempts

[sour hollow]

It was stuck at 221, ever since I dropped to 4. Since I started with six, when I was told it'd be easier to do at 4.

So I dropped to 4.

Then I went up to six, just to relax and have a nice game

and bingo, there it was.

[summer prairie]

the achievement code looks correct, it checks for your max_charges value that changes based on whether you have the talent or not, but the bug could be subtle

[sour hollow]

Like, it could be some super magical RNG fluke of the gods, but all I changed was going from 4 to 6 charges.

Just 5% less res def, 4 to 6 charges. No other change in my build.

Went from hi-intensity shock-troopers to regular intensity, so even less dense enemy batches.

[dim parrot]

hello there siblings, just got back from work, did I miss any interesting topics so far?

[sour hollow]

Just me descending into madness over the warpcharge penance and finally finishing it

[potent echo]

Not until we get a psyker patch

[dim parrot]

lmao

[untold niche]

GUYS

AFTER 10 STAFFS

MY SURGE BLESSING

[potent echo]

Haven't tried the new revolver yet though

[untold niche]

LETS GOO

[dim parrot]

still need uncanny 4 on my illisi

[viscid pecan]

Oh...you need to grind blessings on EACH weapon?

Ewwww

I was wondering why I didn't have anything to put on stuff even though I'd been giving extra stuff to Hadron

[severe folio]

depend on the eapon youre talkingabout

all force sword share bless pool

all infantry gun share bless pool

all laspistol share bless pool

all revolver

[left mirage]

so

how are the new weps

[severe folio]

but the staffs each their own individual pool

[left mirage]

and i heard fire damage got buffed to cook psykers alive

[untold niche]

warp flurry to surge, then perk is infested to flak? @severe folio

[formal hill]

With as many emperors blessings you get, and how much money you make, it's pretty easy and fast to get all the blessings

[severe folio]

maniac or unyielding

[quartz barn]

Id personally change infested to crit

[sour hollow]

Personally enjoy the new revolver. It's really great for that quick dispatch of strays that sneak up behind you, or a rapid dog killer.

[dim parrot]

wait is it worth spending to melk?

[quartz barn]

For blessings sure

Weapons are usually garbo

[untold niche]

your opinion on crit?

[quartz barn]

On rare occasions you can find a decent curio that has 70+ base with one t4 perk

[untold niche]

with mixed horde its hard to proc true aim regularly

[viscid pecan]

So why is Assail generally frowned upon?

[untold niche]

is +3 stamina available at armoury? or only melk

[wind halo]

So with Surge Staff never targeting weak spots now, I guess Warp Siphon is the way to go instead of DD?

[eager mantle]

You can get them through the armory

[dim parrot]

because its strong and easy to use

[quartz barn]

^ this plus heavily outclassed on higher diff

[plucky flax]

3 and 4 is the same at 5 stacks.

[untold niche]

tenk u

[dim parrot]

but I want 4

[eager mantle]

Malice and below it's auto aim room clearing easy peezy. Above it works but also doesn't stunlock a elite party like smite

[sour hollow]

Yeah, heresy and above it doesn't feel too good. It's okay, but rather have smite or bb

[plucky flax]

[eager mantle]

I only run assail on gun psyker. Otherwise I'd prefer smite or bb

[mint pivot]

You can either assail causing equal dmg to a psyker in melee, or stunlock the entire map

Choice is yours 😄

[plucky flax]

I always top damage with assail.

[dim parrot]

so buff assail, its definitely too weak

[quartz barn]

Or kill everything with voidstrike

[sour hollow]

I forget to use assail because duellist sword exists

[eager mantle]

I just want aimed assail to do...something to monstrosities. Idk brittleness on rmb

[severe folio]

i always top your mom in bed

[dim parrot]

I often forget my staff cause melee is just way to fun

[quartz barn]

I ran assail for a bit so id have a ranged option with trauma, but it just harms trauma uptime

So bb it is

[mint pivot]

resets the number of bounces upon hitting a monstrosity/miniboss = "hey thats pretty good"

[dim parrot]

incest because your sibling

[eager mantle]

I mean doesn't trauma have the normal pew pew lmb?

[sour hollow]

Like, don't get me wrong. In low rank assail is kinda silly good. It's just in a really weird spot.

[quartz barn]

Yes but warp nexus gaming

[untold niche]

how much HP does uh ragers have again?

[quartz barn]

Canr really use assail when you want to be at 80% all the time

[sour hollow]

Yet if you increase the damage and lower the recharge rate, it just becomes better BB

[quartz barn]

1000

[mint pivot]

thats kinda my experience with it, absolutely loved it while lvling my psyker, but once i reached auric difficulties, it just feels like absolute dead weight

[quartz barn]

Nerfed from 1200

[untold niche]

wait no way

[plucky flax]

Dead weight?

[untold niche]

i hit them three times 648 damage

[mint pivot]

compared to smite in auric damnation

[spice veldt]

2k on damn it should be

elites have 200% HP scaling on damnation iirc

[eager mantle]

On my gun psyker it's still useful. Supplements my ammo, I can throw out all the shards in the horde for peril, swap to sword while they are bouncing around. Swap back and forth

[mint pivot]

....gun...psyker?... What fucking heresy is this?

[severe folio]

you have a problem ?

[plucky flax]

Assail revolver. Most enemies killed. Most smol shooters killed.

[eager mantle]

You need enlightenment

[dim parrot]

guns.. how uncivilized

[mint pivot]

Aint gun psyker kinda troll towards your team tho?

[plucky flax]

Assail bad. Xd

[severe folio]

no its not

whoever said gun psyker is a meme, or a troll is anti gunpsyke propaganda

or too fukin dumb to aim

[eager mantle]

Jesus turn off some of those stats so it actually fits the page

[untold niche]

thanks mr arco

[eager mantle]

No

[viscid pecan]

I often forget to melee as Psyker. I see a Space Mage and actually want to...you know, Mage.

[plucky flax]

Nein.

[sour hollow]

I mean, I ain't saying assail is bad. Just kinda there.

[mint pivot]

why the fuck would you otherwise play psyker? 😄

[severe folio]

to

kill shit

in every conceivably allowed way

[plucky flax]

I got more ranged kills than the trauma psyker with assail. 😮

[mint pivot]

Fuck that, i play psyker because my aim is on equal level with adhd monkey on meth

[severe folio]

wellthen fuk you

and fuk your mom

[mint pivot]

Cant... i keep missing

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-fuckyou-so-what-shrug-gif-13443592

[eager mantle]

I had a game where yes, I was playing like absolute ass at surviving. Died like twice. Still doubled my highest teammates damage.

[viscid pecan]

That being said...I felt most in my element either as Zealot swinging a Chainsword like a baseball bat at anything vaguely human shaped, or as Ogryn ignoring game mechanics

So far

[mint pivot]

grats on being matched with bots? 😄

[untold niche]

why not have an actual bnaseball bat with crusher.

[viscid pecan]

But...Eviscerator

[sour hollow]

Evicerator go brr.

[viscid pecan]

ANd Crit

[eager mantle]

They weren't bots, they were decent players. I was just killing.

[untold niche]

BEAUTIFUL

SUGOI

MEI LI

[sour hollow]

Ooooh. That is a good roll.

[untold niche]

i'd wish the charge rate was faster though ngl

[sour hollow]

Omnissiah be praised.

[viscid pecan]

@untold niche Just 1% higher

[untold niche]

quick question is 16 toughness highest? or 17.
curios wise

[viscid pecan]

Because haha funny sex number

[dim parrot]

well

anyways

how's the weather on your end siblings?

[severe folio]

17

[untold niche]

thanks
what perks for curios?

also surge is insane, zero DD stacks and one shot headshot man sized stuffs

[sour hollow]

Curio perks tend to be 'whats your worst enemy'

personally I have all three with -20% to flamers and gunners.

[sinful peak]

I run tough regen, 5% hp and 5% tough

[left mirage]

you wanna be using your blitz a lot more for ammo conservation (assail) or cc (smite) or long range targets (bb)

and its the only setup atm that gets really good boss damage on psyk

although idk how badly they nerfed the laspistol, if ever

kinda wish they'd implement an update chat so i could get some input on the new weapon marks

people are just talking about the same old same old

[untold niche]

why toughness regen speed and not outright toughness

[nocturne mural]

do we have any idea regarding the interaction between Assail and the Ranged weapon? Cause I am under the impression that Assail as the very minimum, gets influenced by which Blessing you have on your ranged weap. Am I delusional? do I need help?

[left mirage]

i believe assail used to get buffed by the rending revolver blessing

but that was an unintentional bug

[untold niche]

rending revolvo buffed everything

[left mirage]

yeah, but it also buffed assail

[summer prairie]

the curio section is just suggestions, not some optimal setup

[untold niche]

what do you run?

[untold niche]

also it does claim to be meta tho :v

[left mirage]

toughness regen speed affects all sources of toughness regen, not just your coherency

[plucky flax]

His meta not my meta.

I don't run stamina curio.

[left mirage]

its also just really nice to have coherency regen faster

than to have the max increase

[untold niche]

but psyker doesnt have delayed/staggered toughness regen nodes right

[summer prairie]

I run +dockets, combat ability regen and gunner

[untold niche]

so effectively its just coherency toughness regen

[left mirage]

hm, im not sure actually

[spice veldt]

shards benefit from the perks and blessings of your held out weapon

[untold niche]

+dockets because you are a elite gamer or because by chance

[left mirage]

i remember noticing it ticking faster on the peril generation toughness one

[untold niche]

also combat ability regen, good choice i think

tahnks dood

[left mirage]

but ill have to check

[untold niche]

@spice veldt what curio perk u run

[left mirage]

oh, the warp charge +toughness over time one does exist

[untold niche]

i see. eh irrelevant since im not using ws

[summer prairie]

+dockets because it is the most impactful one

[left mirage]

i want to cry seeing +dockets

[summer prairie]

not like the others are likely going to impact whether I finish a run or not

[spice veldt]

I run +tough, +gun res, +snip res, and whatever I'm feeling like between combat ability Regen or hp

[ionic needle]

I usually run this as a default setup for my curios

[untold niche]

wait you can only have three how do you have four

[spice veldt]

just a mix of them

2x gun res and 1x snip res

3x tough,

[severe folio]

without DD it should still 1 shot headshot lol

[untold niche]

ideally i would want +tough +gun res and +cdr

[spice veldt]

the other 3 slots are whatevs

[ionic needle]

I read somewhere that damage resistance calculation is multiplicative with itself so having 3x of the same makes the last one only increase by 12% which is why 2x gunner + 1x sniper makes sense

[plucky flax]

No deflector

[untold niche]

ya i said without DD (zero stacks)
surge is insane

[nocturne mural]

held out as in last held?

[spice veldt]

you must be actively holding the weapon

[severe folio]

oh i mean, without surge it should still 1 shot headshot

[spice veldt]

as the shards hit the target

[left mirage]

oh ew what the fuck did they do to the accatran las

the rof is sluggish

[severe folio]

they reduce the fire rate

[spice veldt]

e.g., swap off to your staff/melee

[left mirage]

fuck's sake

[untold niche]

oh you mean with crit?

[gray jetty]

Laspistol is still good

[left mirage]

guess im grabbing the new laspistol

[untold niche]

crit, no dd. no surge/

[gray jetty]

That shit was hella overturned last patch

[left mirage]

kinda hit gunpsyker the hardest though

and vet

[severe folio]

throw the shard, while they flying swap a different weapon, all the shard thats flyingand havent hit target how receive all the buff from the held weapon

[untold niche]

no wonder josho says he does quick swap assail, now i know what he means

[left mirage]

hoping the new laspistol is at least comparable to pre-nerf acca laspis

[nocturne mural]

so I guess bugged/unwanted interaction...sounds clunky AF

[severe folio]

i still want blitz to be non-swap

that way i can one hand sword and other hand blitz

or one hand gun and other hand blitz

[left mirage]

that's kinda sick

[severe folio]

use a force sword and BB an enemy to be a sith

[left mirage]

i would like that actually

[severe folio]

but the problem is

all blitz have a secondary fire

so still need a button to completely swap over to it

[quartz barn]

5 buttons

[dim parrot]

would be lovely

[quartz barn]

Melee, block, special, blitz, blitz alt

[dusty girder]

since yesterday I'm joining from time to time the same lobby with the same 2 ogryns loading infinitely, until I alt f4 as I'm stuck there. Wtf is that? xd

[left mirage]

already running out of mouse buttons

[quartz barn]

Just need a mouse with 2 extra buttons

Maybe 3 if you want ping on there as well

[late sphinx]

21% curio's on ogryn. I will find you. I will get you.

[severe folio]

i like the stimm

stab myself or stab my ally

or throw it to them

preferrably stab them

too bad no dialogs on stim use

[untold niche]

hey is the toughness perk fropm curios multiplicative or additive

[severe folio]

i thnik add

[untold niche]

also very sad.
my toughness is 123
zombie 1 hit deal 71 damage
assume i take 3x toughness, 123 * 112% is 137.x
not even enough to tank 2 hits

this is sad.

[summer prairie]

haymaker seems good now

[severe folio]

youre suppose to only tank 1

[untold niche]

i got spoiled on ogryn :v
at least my zeaot can tank 2 :p

zealot

[severe folio]

loose weight

[quartz barn]

Max toughness regen so you fully regen before you get hit a second time

[left mirage]

oggy is a fuckin brick wall with the middle keystone

[untold niche]

oi shut the fuk up i like my food

[left mirage]

im surprised it hasnt gotten hit with nerfs tbh

[untold niche]

i mean i doubt its that fast right :v

[severe folio]

im very surprise we got a new techpriest in the new mission

[quartz barn]

No it actually can be

[severe folio]

well enginseer

and rannick join the vox comm

[untold niche]

im assuming i have to make changes to my skill tree

[quartz barn]

Takes 2 seconds usually

[untold niche]

he sounds weird

[left mirage]

only comparable tank is a marty zeal with until death up

[severe folio]

hes def an orthodox

[untold niche]

he sounds like

internet guy

you know.

[quartz barn]

Even less if you use the talent that gives toughness on warp attack kill

[dim parrot]

nah hes actually chill once u get to know him (I have no idea what we talking about)

[severe folio]

heres how to gain a lot of toughness

take Unlucky for Some

kill your teammate

profit

[quartz barn]

Actually doa talent lmao

Then again very psyker like

Cuz team is always garbo

I am god

[sour hollow]

I just take the talents that restore toughness gaining and losing peril, and the 7.5% on warp kills

Rarely have issue with toughness

[severe folio]

well i am happy that i got the new chainsword to perfection

even though it may be a deceptively mediocre weapon lol

[digital narwhal]

I need opinions:

Should I keep this?

Orrrr-

Rip Infernus off of it to put on this?

[sudden trellis]

You gotta go fast.

but the extra +5% crit might be a game changer

[severe folio]

i would keepthe one with unyielding

[digital narwhal]

Thought so, ye

[gray jetty]

Actually, funnily enough the new laspistol chunks carapace with crits

I think I was hitting 811 with no perks

[severe folio]

sounds great

[digital narwhal]

I'm a Scrier's Main anyway, so

the extra Crit Chance probably wasn't gonna be a game changer

[gray jetty]

Gunkers rise up

[west stream]

Low stability would worry me

Tbh

You want headshots

[gray jetty]

It shoots slow enough it's not that big an issue

[digital narwhal]

One mag brought a Plogryn to 2/5th HP

Spicy

[west stream]

But guess you can just be closer

[manic halo]

My fellow gunkers after much testing I can confirm

New rev ain’t it

Use old rev

Or Columnus 5

[digital narwhal]

Yeah

It fails to mean BPs on Psyker

[left mirage]

ayo

im about to fucking

nut

[manic halo]

Warp*

I’m warrrrrpiiinnggg

[left mirage]

and then i warped all over them

[manic halo]

New rev has too many downsides and it’s ups aren’t substantial enough

[midnight cove]

is it just me or does voidstrike kinda fall off in damnation

[manic halo]

What u using on it

[midnight cove]

sec

I have been swapping between these two with slightly different builds

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/that-shit-good-stoned-high-af-high-weed-gif-24064877

[manic halo]

Use just use the second one and abuse the crit build

[gray jetty]

That second one is good

True aim

Congrats, you win

[midnight cove]

prob my aim just being shit

[gray jetty]

Personally, I'd take flurry over blazing

[midnight cove]

flurry does feel amazing

[gray jetty]

Voidstrike has such a dumb high stagger value it should be illegal

You can stunlock everyboss in the game

It's so stupid

[midnight cove]

also prob skill issue but I feel like the soulblaze thingy doesn't help all that much

[gray jetty]

Can't chime in cause I haven't touched blazing spirit on my voidstrike

[midnight cove]

what does a crit build ideally look like?

been running this so far https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ac8d0a0-5860-4531-8c51-9491c217a380

[marsh prism]

Gunker here too

[bleak tulip]

your crit build is missing mettle

the thing explicitly buffing you for critting

[marsh prism]

is the new pistol worth it for a psygun build then?

[gray jetty]

That heavy laspistol fucks

I love the new revolver

[midnight cove]

whats mettle 💀

[bleak tulip]

also unless this is a gunker build youre missing soulstealer and perfect timing

[midnight cove]

psyker is my least played class

ah

[bleak tulip]

warp expenditure is kinda bad, 25% toughness for 100% peril

and wildfire isnt super good in general, at least on void

especially if you dont use vent

[midnight cove]

kk

[near wyvern]

The improved staggers on the knife specials is really nice. Alone it's nothing, but combine it with the push attack from any of the knives and you have something you can really work with.

Push into push attack into special for maximum staggers!

Mauler:
https://streamable.com/xjyp8a

Rager:
https://streamable.com/lg7dm5

[glossy ember]

@near wyvern What about Haymaker for knife MKVI? If we use h1h2 for hordes... might be worth it. Stacks never go away so long as you hit with heavy so permanant 20% instantkil chance

[near wyvern]

yeah I checked it out but it's still not really worth it

you loose so much dps against monstrosities and ogryn sized enemies

it might be worth it for a zealot

but for psykers we lack the attack speed to make the heavy spam worth it

against horde

[untold niche]

i swear its the surge blessing
Normal damnation

[midnight cove]

should I just drop blazing spirit for flurry or warp nexus then?

doesnt seem all that useful

[quartz barn]

Missed the entire convo, but for a crit build get nexus

[midnight cove]

I feel like flurry just sounds like better value on paper

even if you're on high peril permanently

more shots also equals more crits

[untold niche]

@near wyvern mr pygex, why did you take toughness regen over flat toughness

[glossy ember]

damn...

[quartz barn]

Not really

I assume this is about voidstrike?

[midnight cove]

yeah

[quartz barn]

Because you want surge and warp nexus

Higher critchange = more surge procs

[untold niche]

are you fucking kiddin me :v

[quartz barn]

And surge works for both the projectile and explosion

[midnight cove]

you already have up to 20% crit without it + the guaranteed ones from true aim though

[wind halo]

Now just need Melk to sell me Surge 💀

[untold niche]

where this 20% come from

[wind halo]

Still a Warp Flurry Transfer Peril Voidstrike pleb

[quartz barn]

Afaik tree gives 15 and perk gives 5

[midnight cove]

well depends on your talents I guess, but doesn't everything have at least 5% base, then 5% perk, up to 10% from talents

[gray jetty]

True aim should be enough for guaranteed crits

[untold niche]

tree give 15 base crit chance?

[quartz barn]

Cant check tho cuz at work xd

[midnight cove]

I think tree is 10 if you take the aura

[quartz barn]

If they say 10 its prob 10

[midnight cove]

unless im blind

which I may be

[near wyvern]

For curios? Cause +5% flat toughness is not as impatcful as the +30% to coherency regen AND faster delay

[midnight cove]

anyway I think I'll play around with flurry for a bit, maybe I'll go for nexus later

[quartz barn]

One thing

I dont know if true aim works with surge

So guaranteed double shots

Because i dont think so

[midnight cove]

why wouldn't it?

[quartz barn]

Depends on coding

[midnight cove]

genuinely curious I just have no idea why it wouldn't

[steel solstice]

What should I take for perk? Maniac instead of elites?

[wind halo]

What to give up for True Aim Voidstrike Surge?

[gray jetty]

It does

True aim works for surge

[quartz barn]

Nice

[gray jetty]

I'd lose the soul blaze on elite kill and movement+toughness on crit

Or lose soul blaze and toughness on peril

[wind halo]

If I get rid of Mettle I will have two points actually lol

[wind halo]

I rather get rid of Soulstealer than Quietude tbh

[eager mantle]

You're getting toughness on warp kill and crits already. Eh. Can live w/o on quell

[untold niche]

plus WS gives toughness if he take the one i chose

mr pygex here :o

now hes gone

:v

[summer prairie]

on quell is probably better with that build

[wind halo]

Does Perfect Timing actually help you meet any breakpoints

[summer prairie]

technically it always does with void because it allows you to charge less

[untold niche]

but lets be real everyone charge either 50% or 100%

[ionic needle]

Does the cdr on charges work with scriers?

[untold niche]

no apparently

very sad.

[ionic needle]

Hmm, too bad

What about psykinetic aura and cdr aura?

[plain sundial]

hmm anyone noticed that Exorcist blessing doesnt work?

or i dont understand how to trigger it

could someone explain?

[mental rock]

It reduces peril when you hit the weak point of the SAME enemy repeatedly without missing

[near wyvern]

Didn't used to be like that, did they change it?

[late yew]

What blitz would go well with scrier gaze disrupt destiny laspistol psyker?

[near wyvern]

None. Drop DD, take EP and go BR.

Full stacked Gaze + EP BR is funny

[severe folio]

huh

[coarse bane]

If you're using dome, you most likely don't need 6 warp charges. I mean it's extra dps, but you'll most likely be using the shield often enough that 6 might not be common.

[west stream]

I enjoy assail well enough for ammo management

[mental rock]

Hm I could be wrong but I can't confirm it as I'm at work

[near wyvern]

Assail is nice but at that point might toss Gaze out

[late yew]

It crits?

[west stream]

Disrupt destiny feels nicer if you rely on empathic evasion and mele more

[near wyvern]

No but hits like a truck on ogryn sized enemies

And with EP it's free

[late yew]

oh, right, also no peril on EP BR

[west stream]

Hmm thats a good point

Doesnt break flow

I do like speed and precision but warp speed does already give you movement

Empowered assail is free too which I didn't consider

But i imagine thatll be less impactful

[near wyvern]

Assail covers same targets as Laspistol

BR can be used against beefier enemies that laspistol has trouble dealing with

So better overall kit

[west stream]

Ye

[compact cargo]

Siblings, our next dlc career has been revealed https://youtu.be/-Z-VbUZ0Zj0

[wind halo]

Hmm Surge Staff with Warp Siphon reduced Peril Gen node feels really good

[west stream]

Veteran should have a voiceline for "he's in the walls! He is in the Emperor-damned walls!"

[compact cargo]

Flying psyker ult

[late yew]

assail good against hordes though

[frigid zenith]

Gunpsyker is a meme.

[orchid nest]

I'm a fan of assail with laspistol, although I haven't got a good version of the new variant to test yet. It's nice quickswapping back and forth for the blessing procs and all that. pretty damn active playstyle though.

[compact cargo]

Smite and hh is meta

[frigid zenith]

Keep your thumbs to yourself sir.

[near wyvern]

With BR, Warp Rider at 100% peril, EP stack and Gaze at 30 stacks you get:

• +50% from BR
• +50% from EP
• +20% from Warp Rider
• +30% from Gaze

For a total of +150% of BB damage, so one BB cast is the same as 2.5 BB casts. In terms of BR damage, one beefed up BR cast will be as effective as 1.6 regular BR casts.

[compact cargo]

Conclusion, 3.4k damage to crusher

[late yew]

and for beefier enemies DS with scrier is enough

[patent wing]

scriers gaze and kinetic deflection are not good to pair i guess? i ever see KD working my peril higher despite it beeing below threshold

[frigid zenith]

Melee psyker is the future.

Live out your Gandalf dreams.

[compact cargo]

I mean

[frigid zenith]

poke poke poke.

[compact cargo]

scrier also works on melee

[frigid zenith]

meh

[compact cargo]

Speed maniac psyker IS the future

[frigid zenith]

scrier is lame for anything but shooty things.

[orchid nest]

I feel like I use up too much ammo going that route, especially with laspistol.

[patent wing]

guys fr kinetic deflection is always "ON" not only when peril is high

[compact cargo]

Whicks, with the scrier during, a crit will 1 shot everything but a crusher (2htk)
with the after effect at 16%, you are still doing the same, it makes dueling sword go past the limit

[thin finch]

DS Psyker high on stim pushing the drugs to higher level with their psychic power

[near wyvern]

It's a matter of taste. All in all KD is just so freaking powerful that I still run it. Cause it makes it trivial to survive. Just learn to use push and dodges during gaze.

[thin finch]

KD is also situational as when you are getting gunned down I guess, so might not be that often that it will blew your brains off

[near wyvern]

Not really true, funnily enough surge and void staff can utilise scrier's better than most guns but it's just a bit clunky

[compact cargo]

KD is useful to regen toughness for free when gunner/reaper nearby

also adds damage

[patent wing]

i just think its not good with scriers as it generates peril

[compact cargo]

helps keep a 100% uptime on high peril

[thin finch]

Altough I am happy that KD is not mandatory as I felt it was a while ago, I'm running a blaze sword full damage and don't feel like I need it, thanks to the shield mostly

[compact cargo]

for melee psyker*

[frigid zenith]

eh

[thin finch]

BTW Helloy, have not dwelled here for a while ,mostly watching from the dark

[frigid zenith]

I guess in the sense that you CAN use it with a staff technically and technically it might be better than "most" guns becasue a lot of guns are poop on psyker but the guns that gaze works best with wayyyyy outpace a staff.

[near wyvern]

If you take mind in motion you can just quell a bit while moving and it's fine. Just run one stamina curio (which you should anyways) and it generates a laughable amount of peril for blocking.

[frigid zenith]

With gaze that is.

[thin finch]

Did you mathematically tried it ? On paper there is no differnece between gun and staff aside from the Brain go sploosh risk (in term of damage buff for scrier * )

[near wyvern]

It's so much easier to stack gaze fully with a staff

1. Because quelling speed
2. Because transfer peril on void

[thin finch]

and void staff can pop many head in one go

[frigid zenith]

I didn't apply the scientific method but yeah, the amount of damage I was able to output with a good gun verses a void or surge staff was a lot higher.

It's not even that it's wasn't decent or good damage.

It just feels like gaze was designed around a gun anyways.

[thin finch]

At the end of the day I do prefere gun with Scrier's gaze too personally ,so I did not try either or checked what truly worked best, but I guess if you can handle the risk , it's okay.
for quell I use a force sword which also have a buff on quelling speed if need be

[frigid zenith]

Gotta have our space wizard memes.

[thin finch]

The whole right tree was made with gun in minds, that's why the psyker on top have a gun

[quasi grotto]

hi guys, trying to do the shoot fast, power up and pick n'mix penances, but my teammates are killing specials way too fast, can't get the brain bursts off before they're dead... any tips? brain burst feels so slow to go off 😐

[frigid zenith]

I use a revolver a lot, but I almost never use gaze.

[thin finch]

Pick the node that accelerate BB on ability use + The middle Keynode and fast BB is up

[plain sundial]

but still BB is kinda weak when you have good team

[near wyvern]

I would love gaze if you could actually turn it on and off

[thin finch]

Too bad, but with the movement speed and shit, Gaze feel a lot better with a melee weapon

[near wyvern]

Currently it's just way too clunky to use even with guns

[frigid zenith]

assail, shield, DD, revolver, mk4DS has been my jam as of late.

[plain sundial]

well it doesnt work like this

[patent wing]

which combat blade is good on scrier psyker guys

[near wyvern]

Creeping flames just scales so much better with assails and a gun

[frigid zenith]

I should say, the gun is there, but I melee a lot.

[patent wing]

i have a very good mk3

[quasi grotto]

telekine shield, yea? not venting shriek for the peril clearing?

[thin finch]

not the ability, the keynode at the bottom, I forgot the name but it allows you to cast BB faster and for free

[near wyvern]

The new one is basically a direct upgrade to psyker knife regardless of what you are running

[frigid zenith]

A lot of builds don't want to clear peril, they want it as high as possible all the time.

[patent wing]

goddamn i just wasted 1,3k plasteel then

[quasi grotto]

ooh empowered psionics

[near wyvern]

Yes? 2-3 LMB into 1 RMB assail and you are at 80% after ulting at 90-100%

Malefic Momentum into the mix and weave in gun / melee every now and then

That plus war rider and your assails and flames are always doing around +30% damage

[quasi grotto]

ohhh guaranteed on elite kills. okay i see it now

[frigid zenith]

assail to 100, poke poke poke poke poke, repeat. Everything is dead.

[near wyvern]

Yeah see here is the ting. I press a button (ult) and fight some other direction because everything will be dead.

[frigid zenith]

But I brought a shield becasue the timmies need help.

creeping flames is awesome though.

I use that in just about eveything else.

So much damage.

[orchid nest]

I swap between all 3 combat abilities for variety in that set up. I do take bio-lodestone ep assail if I have dome to supplement horde clear

[frigid zenith]

I don't think I've been out damaged on my assail/shield/melee build yet though.

Friend came close once with fire nades and a flamer though.

[near wyvern]

@frigid zenith now I remember you, so you too have fallen to using guns

You have become the very thing you swore to destroy

[frigid zenith]

MFer, I've always used guns.

It's still a meme though.

[patent wing]

assail is mostly trash on auric damnation at least imho

[frigid zenith]

I never said they were bad.

[frigid zenith]

Just using it to fast charge peril.

[near wyvern]

Yeah no

[thorn cedar]

Assail is still busted strong.

[patent wing]

it needs 3 shards to kill a basic mob

[frigid zenith]

You just kinda lob it in the direction of things, it will do an assload of damage.

[patent wing]

u need emp psionics

[near wyvern]

Assail is perfectly usable up to Auric Maelstroms

The only thing that really hurts it is the enhanced blitz

[frigid zenith]

I use assail in AMs.

It slaps.

[near wyvern]

Cause it's painful to try to get your peril up

[frigid zenith]

Hello horde.. Goodbye horde.

Without EP.

[patent wing]

assail forces u into emp psionics and needs 3 fking shards for the basic mobs with helmet

[near wyvern]

No it doesn't

Just use a columnus and weave

[frigid zenith]

I don't think we play the same game sir.

[orchid nest]

assail gets pretty massively buffed used correctly

[fluid knot]

Assail is one of the most powerful blitz abilities, period.

Its also deadbrain easy to use

[patent wing]

in heresy maybe

[near wyvern]

Throw 2-3 LMB (quell cancelled) into 1 RMB, switch to columnus and a pack of Shotgunners will die within a second

[fluid knot]

No... in all settings

[patent wing]

10 ragers laughing at u

[fluid knot]

[frigid zenith]

They already died to assail though.

[patent wing]

while they ignore assail

[orchid nest]

even if it did like 10 damage it would still be extremely powerful from the stagger and helping to proc blessings

[fluid knot]

Someone has severe skill issues

[orchid nest]

but yeah you can get its headshot hit damage pretty damn high

[patent wing]

• the rng is terrible

[near wyvern]

Assail + perilous combustion yes but I like to make it faster and make sure no loners are left standing up

[frigid zenith]

On an unrelated note. Sometimes, when I'm playing. I wonder. What has happened in someones life to lead them to the decision that they thought it was ok to bring they're kitchen sink build into AM missions.

[late yew]

i tried BB with scrier

not good at all

[frigid zenith]

That's what the poke poke poke is for sir.

[near wyvern]

You threw them too early

[late yew]

it hink you should be taking assail or smite to deal with hordes

[near wyvern]

It staggers when they stop running

[late yew]

with crushers you can just as well deal with them by using DS

[patent wing]

ah nice

[late yew]

with scrier and rending on weak spot hits they go down so fast

[near wyvern]

Can't poke from 20m

[orchid nest]

assail makes ragers extemely safe, it's like probably one of the best things about it

[frigid zenith]

fucking damn near lol.

[patent wing]

yeah but what against a squad of em

[frigid zenith]

Ragers just want to be your friend.

[late yew]

same thing

just be precise with movement

[patent wing]

personally i have aproblem if i play scriers and i want access to the left keystone and its toughness regen, but if i take assail i need psionics

[frigid zenith]

assail and a revolver, or really any decent gun make quick work of ragers.

[near wyvern]

You weave. Throw 1-2 LMB for staggers, slap with melee or gun a couple down, dodge back, repeat.

[patent wing]

that was vs crushers (ds)

[near wyvern]

Versus crushers you just melee them

[frigid zenith]

the bonus is it you take a revolver and they all line up.

[orchid nest]

I usually take deimos with that setup so crushers are a joke to be honest

[frigid zenith]

Crushers die so fast to mk4ds.

[patent wing]

4 headshots if u are lucky

[frigid zenith]

4??

No sir.

With my build and setup at least.

[patent wing]

i just came from testing ground and its 4-6

[near wyvern]

Yeah 2 with full stacked uncanny strike seems correct

[patent wing]

ah yeah i dont have uncanny

[frigid zenith]

Gotta have that rending.

[near wyvern]

Against a crusher pack once you get the first one down the rest will fall

[patent wing]

omnissiah didnt gave it to me yet

[near wyvern]

And special heavy spam is so funny

[frigid zenith]

lol

[near wyvern]

Can even occasionally special special two different ones to make space and stack that uncanny

[frigid zenith]

POKEpoke POKEpoke POKEpoke.

SO fun.

[patent wing]

i like to cancel the animation with mb3

heavy into special repeat

[frigid zenith]

The REAL fun heavy special spam is with the dagger though.

[patent wing]

ah no it has no range

[frigid zenith]

Take that with a puuuuurrreeeee crit zealot. oh my.

[orchid nest]

I just fell in love with deimos h2 knocking them down tbh. and being able to bowl them over from 10m out. makes packs safe not just for me who I am not really worried about but my group as well

[frigid zenith]

deimos is super awesome, love that thing.

[patent wing]

overhit head feels a bit awkward tho

and its h2 are not as fast

[near wyvern]

Buffed up special on knifes is nice

https://streamable.com/xjyp8a

[frigid zenith]

mmmmm nice

[orchid nest]

you don't really need to use the overhead heavy, just light poke into heavy 2 or push/push attack into heavy 2

[near wyvern]

Mauler one

https://streamable.com/lg7dm5

[patent wing]

lol wat is this

[near wyvern]

It's psyker knife gameplay

[patent wing]

cant replicate it without spawner i guess

[frigid zenith]

no no, what's REALLY entertaining is haymaker on the 3b basher and just swinging for the fences in masses of things.

[near wyvern]

Kinetic deflection so you don't need to care about your stamina bar

[orchid nest]

whats the word on the new chainsword btw, still haven't tried it. it's better vs crushers or something?

[patent wing]

what are you spamming there, block into special?

[orchid nest]

push attacks

into special yeah

[patent wing]

ah with the new knife?

[near wyvern]

Haven't tried a good candidate in an actual game but compared to original it's more single target focused. Takes 2 special heavies to kill a crusher, can be potentially pushed to one with bonuses and perks but haven't tried yet

[frigid zenith]

So the chainaxe doesn't slow you down when you rev it up anymore, I bet spamming rev it up on that is kinda derp now.

[near wyvern]

For ragers it's push, push attack, special into push attack spam.

The push, push attack special deals just enough stagger to knock them out of the attack string but the special must hit the head. The push attack spam is fast enough to prevent them from going back to the attack string so you finish it up with that.

For maulers it's push, push attack, special repeat.

[orchid nest]

that's pretty interesting, maybe a good alternative to deimos/ds4 in a build that doesn't have horde clear problems but you still want more monstrosity damage with your crusher killing. especially now that you can cancel the latches

[near wyvern]

It will never beat Deimos and DS4

[patent wing]

cant replicate it that fast idk
but maybe thats on me because i also have trouble placing down the shield when using a weapon or switching to blitz

[near wyvern]

You have to learn the timing

Once you spam enough push attacks with knife you don't even need to think about them

[orchid nest]

I wasn't expecting it would, not quite what I meant. I mean it could be a good alternative to them if you still want to bring more monstrosity damage at the same time (bloodletter) since in such a build you won't worry as much about the blessings being cleave focused, while still maintaining some crusher control and all that

[summer prairie]

you lose quite a bit of attack speed if you do that push attack special combo and it's a bit finicky

[near wyvern]

@patent wing it helps if you empty your stamina. The moment you gain some stamina, hold RMB then immediately follow with holding LMB and once the attack goes out release and repeat the moment you gain stamina back.

[orchid nest]

assuming its latch damage is still somewhat on par with the other one against unyielding or more at least at the same time

[patent wing]

the special wont come off fast enough hm
also the blitz stuff is on me i guess? or does it really need a pause of casting to lay down shield or swap to blitz

[near wyvern]

Still it can be useful to knock a rager from attack string if you absolutely need to.

[near wyvern]

If you are not doing push attack the special will not come out fast. The push is missing animation string to special so you can't chain push into special.

[frigid zenith]

The best advice for MOST people is "Don't melee ragers".

[near wyvern]

Unless you have a duelling sword cause that makes it a brain dead fight

[orchid nest]

does the light after the punch on that one trigger a quicker heavy stab like the old one?

[patent wing]

yeah im doing the push attack but theres a window after it idk

also i just noticed it has two stances wtf

he takes it backhanded

[near wyvern]

Not really quicker but a less damaging one that counts as a heavy yes

[orchid nest]

deimos makes 'em really easy too. although, psyker makes them easy in general usually from their kit to be honest

[near wyvern]

Funnily enough the push attacks are heavies

[patent wing]

what really grinds me gears is that soulblaze does lesser dmg against carapace. like YOUR SOUL IS BURNING

[near wyvern]

And due to the changes to how haymaker doesn't require you to chain heavies (even tho the description says so) you can trigger insta gibs on push attacks.

[summer prairie]

they ruined the special lmb combo in this patch, you used to be able to chain them very fast but can't really now

[near wyvern]

Swap to a weapon with uncanny strike and they will start to burn.

[orchid nest]

yeah, I use the push attacks all the time on the old one. still gotta get all these new weapons but I'm patient instead of blowing a lot of dockets and mats. not really in a rush

[near wyvern]

Yeah after special you should always just push attack ATM

[orchid nest]

oh ok, that is a shame

[summer prairie]

but you can now, again, chain the special attacks faster if you hold down block. Though not much use for it

[near wyvern]

But at least there is a use case for push attack specials now

Or two

[patent wing]

how does the second block stance work?

when he uses his right fist

[orchid nest]

and the new laspistol? I know you guys were on that a little bit when I came in here. worth using over the older one? can actually damage crushers alright someone said?

[near wyvern]

It's just the same, depends what attack you use to flow into it

Different animation, same thing

The person who made the knife animations decided they can do what everything else does but just better

Cause the animations are so good.

[patent wing]

:D

[wind halo]

So is Wildfire working properly? Each nearby enemy near the killed enemy gets 4 stacks of Soulblaze?

[untold niche]

reminds me of those london jokes

[vocal iron]

any groups for malleus monstronum RN? also does kinetic flayer effect this?

[midnight cove]

I still need mine too 😔

the only class penance im missing

[wind halo]

Huh so tested in psykhanium, wildfire doesnt work

Everything around it just gets 1 stack of Soulblaze

[west galleon]

why did they take the dodges, I feel so vulnerable

[glossy ember]

howd the executor tests go pygex

[near wyvern]

It's still meh. It's similar DPS to Flesh Tearer on Monstrosities and Ogryns but you have to keep hitting heads and it has a ramp up time. So it will become one tier lower to Flesh Tearer.

[woeful zinc]

Hey folks, summat just occurred to me - am I getting any benefit on primary and secondary attacks with these perks? I'm thinking they would only buff the crap special as they dont reference "rang3d"

[summer prairie]

you can ran executor on illisi I guess

[near wyvern]

@glossy ember with lights against trash the third light tends to hit body resetting all stacks as well

[summer prairie]

but probably still worse than unstable power

[near wyvern]

But why would you do that over slaughter and uncanny strike

[summer prairie]

if you don't want uncanny for whatever reason

[near wyvern]

It can be decent with Deimos

[glossy ember]

yeah all the lights miss heads

shame

[glossy ember]

flak good, carapace is ok

[woeful zinc]

Yes but am I getting +25 on my staffs attacks? The persk are not "ranged" damage

[glossy ember]

you mean special attack?

[near wyvern]

I wish we would get a third mark for the combat blade, having the faster lights of mk 3 and push attack stab from mk 6, and heavies from mk 6. That would be like the dream blade for Psykers.

[plain sundial]

executor works?

[near wyvern]

It's usable now yes

[plain sundial]

i dont know how to trigger him

[near wyvern]

You don't drop stacks on dots and cleaving additional targets anymore

[glossy ember]

oh, yes you are

[near wyvern]

And you can get multiple stacks per swing

[vestal fulcrum]

Are the ideal perks Flak + UA, or has UA shifted to sth else given that Surge secondary again hits centre of mass?

[plain sundial]

but how? i was trying to make it work by chaining attacks on rager and mauler heads but it doesnt reduce perill

[summer prairie]

executor not exorcist

[plain sundial]

oh

[steel flame]

i gotta say it

[glossy ember]

unarmoured not needed anymore. So you just need flak then maniacs/carapace/unyielding/crit rate/elite damage, whichever you roll

[near wyvern]

@woeful zinc the perks on the currently active weapon (as in you have the weapon in hand) are always on and affect all the damage you deal, including DOT effects.

The specific armour perks (flak maniac etc...) are even more valuable because they stack multiplicatively with everything else.

[steel flame]

haymaker is really really really good on the new knife

[glossy ember]

flak is essential

the others are nice

imo

[near wyvern]

For zealots maybe. For Psykers we lack the attack speed outside of funny push attack insta gibs.

[mortal breach]

I wish the staff melee was more like a combo-able martial arts style quarterstaff series of swings

[summer prairie]

I think haymaker dropping stacks one by one is a bug

[steel flame]

its great on melee vet too

[woeful zinc]

Ah good ty... So why would anyone choose +10 ranged Damage [insert summat here] over the +25?

[glossy ember]

because they didn't get a choice

[vestal fulcrum]

It works like that on Ogryn clubs, and also doesn’t drop stacks on miss

[steel flame]

i hope not

[summer prairie]

did it work like that before the patch?

[steel flame]

its actually nice now

[potent echo]

either that or you really want to double up on an enemy

10% elites and 25% carapace is 35% mauler and crushers

[summer prairie]

on ogryn weapons that is

[vestal fulcrum]

It did, I reckon, ever since Patch 13

[glossy ember]

having elite 8/10% as your locked perk is a lesser evil than having terrifying barrage as your blessing

[glossy ember]

i dont think thats how the maths work, pygex had somethin written about that

[near wyvern]

Even more importantly, why would anyone take +10 crit damage or +10 weakspot damage....

[steel flame]

because the heavies can hit a whole bunch of shit in a single swing that 20% insta kill gets alot more value now

[potent echo]

since its multiplicative its actually 1.375

[woeful zinc]

Yeah that as well

[potent echo]

uh so how do they work

[glossy ember]

[near wyvern]

I still find Flesh Tearer far more valuable

[summer prairie]

the blessing doesn't have a stacks_to_remove setting and most blessings do

[near wyvern]

For Psykers at least

[glossy ember]

it was written in the aethenum i think lemme check

[orchid nest]

I saw a gunker youtube video the other day and his columnus perks were crit damage and carapace

[glossy ember]

base_damage * armour_mod * rending_bonus * power * vs_armour_perk * (all + other + buffs)

[near wyvern]

10% elites and 25% carapace is 37.5% against crushers and mauler heads

[glossy ember]

other includes elite damage

isnt it

[potent echo]

yea

[near wyvern]

Yes

[glossy ember]

ok ye you were right sorry

[potent echo]

no worries

[quasi grotto]

is assail true fire and forget? once you lob it it just does its thing by itself?

[near wyvern]

Yes and no

[glossy ember]

time to try flak 25% elite 10% when i get home on my staff..

[gray jetty]

Follows your cursor

[near wyvern]

You have to look at things to tag it for the shard and the shard needs to be around 10m from the target to accept the "tag"

Except RMB which tags in the moment you glance at someone (the blue head thingy) so you can throw it and it will curve around the corner even if you don't see the enemy anymore

[untold niche]

how does blocking when reviving work?
sometime my stamina haven't depleted yet but somehow i get staggered

[quasi grotto]

this explains a lot tbh

[quasi grotto]

so as long as you're looking at something that counts as tagged, dont need to click rmb

is that right

[gray jetty]

You automatically block when you start the res, if a gunner shoots you while you have 0 toughness you also get staggered

[near wyvern]

Possibly your toughness was gone due to shooters? Taking ranged damage without toughness interrupts unless you are an ogryn

[untold niche]

but if its only melee, it will be untiul your stamina runs out right

[near wyvern]

Correct

[quasi grotto]

thanks

[gray jetty]

Or an overhead instakills you

[near wyvern]

@quasi grotto RMB only affects the first target of the RMB throw, for anything else you have to "tag" then by having them close to your crosshairs.

[untold niche]

pygex, why uncanny strike on illisi?
context of voidstaff crit build (DD vent)
isn't illisi mainly for horde clear
why would you need rending

[near wyvern]

Also you can quell cancel the LMB after cast but not RMB one. The best way to use Assail right now is to throw 1-3 quell cancelled LMB into RMB into weapon swap unless you are trying to hit gunners and snipers very far away.

Throwing at least one LMB will stagger targets giving you time to cast the RMB.

[thorn cedar]

You can RMB and swap right on the throw to at least quell

[near wyvern]

Makes dealing with elites and bruisers a lot easier. Special will hit then like a truck.

[quasi grotto]

what is quell cancelling?

[near wyvern]

When mixed in a horde

[untold niche]

don

you usuyally use a staff for that

because if they are mixed in a horde

the cleave damage isn't that good right

and might as well just shoot them with staff

for stagger

and just

damage

[near wyvern]

@quasi grotto this is an outdated video but the technique is still the same

https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY

[untold niche]

wait is it recommended to use melee vs ragers?
or can i still shoot them with my void staff

[near wyvern]

@untold niche if you have stuff in your face you may not cast safely but push into special heavy on illisi works wonders

[gray jetty]

Void staggers them

[near wyvern]

You should always range if you can

[gray jetty]

Void staggers is obscene

[untold niche]

do you have a takedown vid?
i usually spam half charged void into ragers and then when all of them are down i full charge one

[gray jetty]

You can also practice stunlocking bosses

[untold niche]

wait you can stagger boss with void???

[gray jetty]

Yes

It's dumb

[summer prairie]

only on a ~full charge crit with surge

[gray jetty]

You don't need crit

Just a headshot

[untold niche]

im thinking of going either slauighterer + deflector or slaughterer + unstable power

ony my illisi

[summer prairie]

i definitely wasn't staggering without a crit when testing, weird

[near wyvern]

If you are new start with deflector

[gray jetty]

You can't chain stagger plague ogryn instantly

[untold niche]

which bosses are staggerable? @gray jetty

[summer prairie]

is there some impact ally buff

[gray jetty]

Haven't tried daemonhost but everyone

[near wyvern]

If this was in psych they never stagger properly there

[untold niche]

i want unstable because im assuming without it i can't one tap mutie

[near wyvern]

If you have illisi you can't one tap a mutant

[gray jetty]

I think with a couple warp charges you can

That or slaughterer

Cause my illisi can

[near wyvern]

For Deimos the one tap without additional buffs outside of perks are documented in Atheneum

[gray jetty]

But I've actually been using the deimos a lot

[untold niche]

even with like the + damage depending on peril node, and DD, and unstable i cannot?

[gray jetty]

Thing is basically a dueling sword

[near wyvern]

Well yes with enough buffs you can but you can't rely on it

[celest cave]

Which perk I should to run on Surge? Carapace?

[gray jetty]

I run maniac carapace

[untold niche]

because im always at 80% peril anyway @near wyvern

you know what im just going to test it xDF

forgot i have loadout mod :v

[near wyvern]

You can't rely on always being on 80% for one shots

[quasi grotto]

thank you! TIL

[near wyvern]

You have to assume it's a two shot and then get a nice suprise if it is a one shot

[untold niche]

im never at below 70 anyway :v

and with the special

it goes over 80

[near wyvern]

That's a false statement. Walking out of the valk... SMH

[gray jetty]

Illisi mutant one shot or deimos?

[untold niche]

emperor bless me that once i load into the game he sends me some encouragement leading my peril to start from 70

[plucky flax]

Illisi can with slaughterer stacks.

[near wyvern]

Yes but don't rely on it

With Deimos you can build a one shot that is 100% reliable

[gray jetty]

Become a warp charge enjoyer

[plucky flax]

Illisi can easily 2 shots mutie with 2 specials attack.

It's quite fast too.

[near wyvern]

Can't it just heavy heavy for two shot?

[plucky flax]

1 heavy 1 light.

Special light is super fast.

Special heavy is a bit slow.

[unborn flicker]

We need warp cycler

I want to slash moreeee

[near wyvern]

At one point Illisi was able to heavy heavy (no specials) a mutant

But haven't tracked that lately

[west fjord]

Shame it's such a hard roll though. For example, the left can't 1 shot, but the right can

[near wyvern]

When do we get DD stacks to drop one by one

It is yeah because they removed the +10% flat bonus from warp rider

[summer prairie]

I'm also only getting boss stagger on crits when testing with the solo mod

[west fjord]

Unless you run specialist dmg on perks

[near wyvern]

Yeah maniac special is the easiest for one shots

Another testament to how the crafting system sucks ass

Get a good enough roll and you free up a whole perk slot

[west fjord]

Should just unfix warp rider, would make my life easier

[north cradle]

I found out that if you're at full health when you try to use a health stimm, you do lil tricks with it

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/it9j8g

[untold niche]

FAK
only 1x slaughterer stack,
peril damage node,
and ofc unstable power

[near wyvern]

Not reliable

[untold niche]

the guy not even dead

[near wyvern]

But if you blast it once with staff then it should be in range

Just can't do the glorious conga line

https://youtu.be/6v6uUZI6T5c

[untold niche]

yeah.

[summer prairie]

So unless there's some node that increases ally impact, not seeing how you stagger without a crit

[untold niche]

can deimos horde clear as good tho :v

[near wyvern]

Good enough, especially if you are carrying a void or a trauma

[untold niche]

when i tried deimos it felt sucky to horde clear

less sucky than ds4 but sucky nontheless

[near wyvern]

Slaughter on it makes it a lot better, if you can funnel them to a narrow choke switching from light spam to the L1H2 spam makes things butter smooth no matter what tries to walk on you

Rager? One shot. Mauler, Crusher? On the floor.

[thorn cedar]

Deimos is bae

[untold niche]

r u sure :v
then what does illisi do better,
because even with illisi horde clearing is kinda scary

i'd honestly rather have a better horde clear but need to two tap the mutie

[glossy ember]

switch to mkvi knife