psyker-class

[vast yew]

... also wow does that make BS Voidstrike just awful

like it was pretty memey but I don't think it'd work even as a meme at only 6

[harsh urchin]

bs voidstrike doesn't really have the same attributes as trauma

it doesn't really work because it's basically a gun

[vast yew]

no but it still caps at 6, and you need a crit which is pretty likely to obliterate whatever you hit anyways

[willow hazel]

It's fine, but sometimes you already have 6 stacks and BS does absolutely nothing

[silk hawk]

Who would go bs on void when u have surge....

[vast yew]

There was a guy here earlier asking about tips for his

[red jacinth]

ik, would flak or manic be more useful?

[lyric burrow]

Id take flak

[vast yew]

Flak, works on a lot of targets

and you ain't blowing up Muties with it anyways

I will note that you really, really want very very very high stats if you're going to go Fire Trauma

like, high 70's-80 in both Charge Rate and Blast Radius

and high everything else

[lyric burrow]

Also just in case you arent aware blazing spirit only goes up to t3 on staves

So dont chase t4

[vast yew]

Does it even exist at T1-2 on staves?

I think it's T3 only

[lyric burrow]

Im not sure actually

[spice veldt]

t3 only yeag

[lyric burrow]

Theres arco to bestow wisdom

[red jacinth]

ye

still confused how surge works

[vast yew]

Can you imagine if Surge actually worked on Trauma staff right clicks

[lyric burrow]

It doesnt on trauma

[vast yew]

yeah it only works on Trauma staff left clicks

which is sadge

[lyric burrow]

Its just a void blessing

Really

[brave fiber]

It would be the best staff in the game prob

[vast yew]

on Voidstrike it lets you occasionally one-shot Crushers

[brave fiber]

If not already

[vast yew]

And paired with True Aim lets you delete everything in a straight line

[silk hawk]

It won't oneshot even with a proc

[lyric burrow]

I think that was the old breakpoint

[brave fiber]

it does

[vast yew]

I remember doing it; not sure if the 2nd shot needs to crit (can it crit?)

[silk hawk]

Idk maybe with warp charges, but otherwise, naah

[vast yew]

I know I had 6 warp charges and max Mettle though

[brave fiber]

I literally have a clip, driving home rn tho

[vast yew]

remote into your PC with your phone and post it

[half turtle]

does soulblaze add up between players? like if 2 guys on my team are running purgatus, will they both have separate stack caps for it? or will they just lock each other out of damage

[brave fiber]

I use medal

[vast yew]

(do not do this pls drive safe)

[brave fiber]

no

[vast yew]

they share stacks

[silk hawk]

In ep build double tap at crusher head chomps like 80% at best

[vast yew]

do you run 25% Carapace?

[brave fiber]

That might be the issue

[silk hawk]

No

I find cara mod too... Narrow too use

[vast yew]

I think my Voidstrike, being a bit cursed, has Carapace as one of the locked Perks

[brave fiber]

Crit surge void already wrecks most things in the game, feels fine to take Cara for me

[vast yew]

but I'd have to find a screenshot

oh no wait I found a screenshot from before I swapped stuff and the perks are open

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165437263119929355/1173804144738435082/image.png?ex=6577be4c&is=6565494c&hm=5588d16957c3575a5d198b4931cbce77bb1c92de975d9a741f3c58e8fdfee836&

So I think I slapped Crit Chance and Carapace on it because none of the other breakpoints seemed to really matter

it was either that or Unyielding

[silk hawk]

I swapped my nexus for flurry, and it legit feels much better, crits from true aim and passive chance are sufficient

[brave fiber]

Nexus has a lot higher potential but flurry true aim is MUCH more consistent

[vast yew]

Flurry/Surge works but is a bit weird vs. Crusher packs

which I have a seething hatred for

really any 2 of Flurry/Surge/Nexus work well together

[silk hawk]

At crusher packs i spam smite anyways, most of the time xD

[brave fiber]

Flurry nexus feels bad to me, I just can’t live without surge

It’s spoiled me

[vast yew]

Smite is great but unfortunately only delays the problem if your team has gone silly

like the last time I played voidstrike and watched 3/4 of them go off a ledge thanks to a barrel

.>

[silk hawk]

In most cases in auric runs, there is at least one person in team who can properly dps

[vast yew]

The biggest advantage of Flurry/Nexus is you can drop True Aim and spend those 2 points elsewhere

but yeah Surge is a drug

the first time you double-shot into a pack of ragers and watch them evaporate

you're hooked

[silk hawk]

I am more hooked in wiping packs of 8+ shot guns xD

[vast yew]

that too

[brave fiber]

One shotting a crusher with a crit is better than heroin

[vast yew]

Voidstrike do be super fun to play

[brave fiber]

Fr I didn’t have a good staff when it was op so I didn’t play with it

[vast yew]

plus I get to use my Illisi with it, which is great because I love my Illisi but it feels like too many eggs in the horde-clear basket on my Trauma build

[vocal swift]

Man coming back after the talent change is a tad overwhelming now I have a lot to learn I think lol

[brave fiber]

It’s not bad at all, build making is super simple

[vast yew]

have fun constantly second guessing which aura you want as well as whether you want dome or shriek like the rest of us

But yeah builds kinda just build themselves to a degree

[brave fiber]

Dome for if you have a defensive play style, shriek if you are aggressive

[vast yew]

Pick a ranged weapon, take a blitz and melee to compliment, take the key talents and then sprinkle in the rest

[vocal swift]

I was reading a little into the talents man Idk i've always used shriek as a get of jail free card so I don't look like the guy who can't controll his warp touching

[vast yew]

Just quell 4head

[vocal swift]

Yeah I saw mind in motion and the quell speed reduction is pretty doable

[silk hawk]

Spam shriek all day

[vast yew]

Mind in Motion is strictly if you're going Assail

otherwise it's... not great

[brave fiber]

A good practice is to actually read the skills instead of just taking what a build guide tells you

[vast yew]

do you find the Smite upgrade gives you good use? I'd rather have the Quell toughness talent or drop it + PC to go WS instead of EP honestly

[vocal swift]

Yeah I agree I always try to kind of tweak things to my personal quirks

I won't call it a playstyle because that would imply I know what I'm doing

[silk hawk]

With update smite hits at least 6 more targets

It's alot

[vocal swift]

I'd say its more a quirk because it's like involuntary things I tend to in game, its easier to plan for those than try to force myself into a cookie cutter meta that may change

[vast yew]

Right, but I've never taken un-upgraded Smite and felt like it needed more targets

though I guess in a full-Palpatine EP build that's a bit different

since it's your horde clear dps

(sorta)

[vocal swift]

Is smite and a surge staff stupid? or is the surge staff nerfed?

[vast yew]

Smite/Surge works, though Surge is still a bit bugged

[vocal swift]

I see alot of people with void strike

[silk hawk]

U only need it if u run ep build thou, since with ep buff u can use smite as actual horde clear tool

[vast yew]

Yeah that's what I figured

👍

[vocal swift]

I liked surge staff because I figured it helped with CC

[brave fiber]

Surge isn’t bugged anymore I think?

[vast yew]

Old Surge Staff is now the Smite ability

[vocal swift]

The stagger helps hold things in place for everyone

Oh okay

[vast yew]

new Surge Staff kills things

[silk hawk]

Thing, one at a time xD

[vast yew]

it's still bugged; while it always deals torso damage, it takes the damage type from random body parts

[vocal swift]

My old old talent build was like a soul blaze build

[vast yew]

So if you hit a Mauler, most of the time you deal Flak damage, but SOMETIMES you deal Carapace instead

which messes with you

and if you're running +25% flak to one-shot, say, Gunners and hit the Unarmored head instead you can miss the one-shot

which is somewhat frustrating

[brave fiber]

Well that’s interesting, regardless of that tho surge is still very good, and extremely easy to god roll

[vast yew]

yeah it's still good just sometimes I get conniptions

once they fix it it'll be perfectly fine

[brave fiber]

Honestly I’m really hoping for purgatus buffs

They’re prob coming next patch if the trailer is showcasing changes

[vast yew]

uh to sum up new Surge for Myzory: it only chains to like 1-2 targets now, and they take OK damage, but the main target takes a LOT of damage and the range got buffed to a whopping 24 meters

so you can spam it into packs of Ragers and melt them pretty quickly, from a pretty decent range

[silk hawk]

Not that quickly as literally any other staff, but still quickly

[vast yew]

it beats Purgatus

but Purgatus has it's own niche to fill

[brave fiber]

The main draw of surge is that it does nearly the single target damage of things like void, but also ccs really well

[vast yew]

I think it'd probably beat Trauma for pure speed, but Trauma is braindead easy cuz it staggers everything

Oh yeah forgot to mention that it also staggers whatever doesn't die

[silk hawk]

Yay surge beats horde clear weapon in a single target dmg, hell yeah xD

But i stilllike surge anyways xD

[vast yew]

Hey now you said literally any other staff don't put this evil on me

Surge is a bunch of fun

and really easy to get a good one because as long as the total stat number is high you're good

[brave fiber]

If void and trauma are S tier, surge is A and purg is B

[plucky flax]

Just finished that was tough actually.

1 vet was sus the other was good.

[brave fiber]

All great staffs overall

[vast yew]

yeah Purg despite being the weakest is 100% usable, still has right click for damage and left-click to chain stagger stuff

[silk hawk]

U forget guns... Which are at s tier now xD

[vast yew]

some guns

Recon Lasgun not so much

🎻

[brave fiber]

Well I just said staffs

[vast yew]

pls buff Fatshark

[brave fiber]

Am very stupid when it comes to gunker

[plucky flax]

1.5m damage with the default scoreboard 💀

[vast yew]

Chaos using Scab Melee to inflate how good Fire Trauma is to make Fatshark nerf it

shame

[glossy ember]

i love surge staff

[plucky flax]

It's only good for 1 mode.

[vast yew]

(this is not a counter psi-op to downplay how good Fire Trauma is)

[glossy ember]

ok time to try out DD

never tested before

[vast yew]

let us know how it goes

it's a bit special

[glossy ember]

shit i loaded in a low intensity damnation mission

well, whatever, worth it to test

[vast yew]

Ez Plasteel

[brave fiber]

I’m still holding on to my surge nexus trauma staff in hopes fatshark one day makes it work on m2s

[plucky flax]

I think surge traum if worked on right click would only be good against crushers and maulers. So scab only. But then you lose out on blazing spirits.

Since you would kill most stuff with 1 full charge blast already.

[vast yew]

Also Ragers

still, one-shoting 4 crushers at once would be an incredible feeling

[plucky flax]

What they need to do is give me blazing spirits t4.

[vast yew]

That wouldn't do much; as I recently learned, Blazing Spirits on staves caps out at 6 stacks

[brave fiber]

I am the type of person that likes to see big numbers and evaporated enemies over consistency

[sly charm]

I know that empowering guns with the warp exists in 40k at the very least the ammo, would love to see FS do something that more directly . I realize gunker could be considered that but I also wouldn't mind a warp empowered autopistol or revolver

[plucky flax]

Yeah 3 per crit cap at 6. They can make t4 4 per crit and cap at 8.

That'd be really really good.

[vast yew]

that would indeed be really good

[plucky flax]

So with a shriek I can apply 14 stacks.

That's just 1 short of purga.

But FS are racist against blaze trauma.

[vast yew]

Give Purg Blazing spirits so it can give 5 stacks per crit

[plucky flax]

Force swords have blazing spirits t4.

[vast yew]

burn the world

[brave fiber]

Nothing stops you from using revolver with gunker

[plucky flax]

But no force staves don't.

[vast yew]

Force Sword Blazing goes up to 10-12 stacks too

[plucky flax]

Literally discrimination.

[vast yew]

it's nutty

[plucky flax]

I know!

Stop blazing spirits on staff hate.

[vast yew]

Fatshark not letting Psykers apply a 100 damage DoT to the entire Zip Code

😡

[late yew]

wtf, my game suddenly has no sounds

[brave fiber]

Literally 1984

[willow hazel]

Purgatus should have blazing spirt too

[vast yew]

did you unplug your headphones

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[brave fiber]

YES

[plucky flax]

Me in melee maelstrom.

[willow hazel]

it could do with a buff

[brave fiber]

IVE BEEN NEEDING THIS FOR MONTHS

[vast yew]

oddly enough BS on Purg would only help until it hit 6 stacks, then the BS procs wouldn't do anything

but it would make it ramp faster

[late yew]

i switch between headphones and speakers

but i alreadyt played today

and it w as fine

[vast yew]

restart game?

or PC?

[late yew]

Restarting game helped

weird

[vast yew]

Fatshark seal of quality

Also I think Surge would be better than BS on Purgatus

assuming it works on right click

[plucky flax]

Yeah wouldn't be too bad.

It charges already fairly fast.

Flurry can be swapped out indeed.

[vast yew]

wait

give it Rending Shockwave

[late yew]

But that is how it already works basically

you get double soulfire stacks on crits with purgatus

[vast yew]

yeah but it'd go to 3-4 if the second attack crits (can the extra attack from Surge crit?) + add in extra bits of damage, and it could go to the full stack cap of 15 instead of just 6

[sly charm]

Well aware of that lol, but they could go further with it

guns with psyker blessings would be interesting

[vast yew]

I think the only Psyker-specific gun interaction is the Laspistol push gets Psyker effects

[sly charm]

pretty much

and that could go further

for sure

[vast yew]

let me throw the bullets with my mind instead of shooting them Fatshark

wait that's basically Assail

[sly charm]

arrow bullet knife

there is still pysker throwing knives in the files

just not sure we ever get them given assail exists

[vast yew]

Yeah I think that code went into Assail

[idle bay]

Specail-anti-nurgle-cult bleach watergun 🙂

[vast yew]

theoretically we could get some of the special Psyker-only guns from 40k

like a Condemnor Boltgun

There's also the smaller version of a Psycannon that I can't remember the name of

oh there's the Psilencer, which is a Psyker-powered Minigun, though possibly a bit too unwieldy outside power armor

[plucky flax]

Is there the assail ability in the lore? I guess it's just a psyker dude using telekinesis but what's up with the colourful rocks?

[vast yew]

magic warp rocks

if you crush them up you can teleport like Kaldor Draigo

also afaik, no, Assail is Fatshark homebrew

[brave fiber]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1HtxOkyaoDeKhu/d1337Pw5lwfh?invite=cr-MSxieUssNzE1NTk5Mjgs anyways here was that crusher 1 shot i was talking about earlier

[sinful peak]

any specific breakpoints I should hit for a blaze trauma? or is 70+ good enough

[vast yew]

but a lot of the lore powers wouldn't work because they're either A: way too big, B: chaos-aligned, or C: buffs/debuffs

[brave fiber]

only need 1 warp charge, tho it could be zero if i had 80% dmg instead of 79, idk

[vast yew]

what's your main stats look like

you really really want Charge and Blast Radius as high as you can get

[sinful peak]

low 70s in everything pretty much

[plucky flax]

[brave fiber]

i hate that i only have 4% dude

[vast yew]

that'll work but you'll need some help with peril management; also switch Carapace to Flak

[brave fiber]

well i use it all the time, its a good staff

[sand pumice]

There are plenty of psykinetics in the lore, though they usually tend to use needles or specialised tiny knives they can hide in their clothing and whatnot. I suppose Assail just counts as really sharp pocket sand

[vast yew]

The absolutely ideal Fire Trauma has 80's in Damage, Charge Rate, Blast Radius, and Quell Speed with a 60 in WR

Quell Speed is also annoying in that it scales non-linearly and gets better the higher it goes

[brave fiber]

peril is almost always a non-issue for void builds, because most go down the warp charge tree anyways, taking solidity on the way

[vast yew]

(note: I do not have an absolutely ideal fire trauma, and in fact have one with 70 in both damage and Warp Resistance. This still works, because it one-shots Dreg Bruisers with 1 Warp charge or Mettle stack)

wait that's a Void strike build

FUDGE

I need sleep

Yeah that Voidstrike will work fine, though I think Blast Radius is technically the dump stat

god dammit I don't know why I saw Surge and though "mmm yes this is a Fire Trauma build"

[brave fiber]

honestly the only things I want to be better is 5% crit instead of 4%, and nexus 4, even though the peril stats look bad they are not at all

but at this point this staff is already doing great so eh

[vast yew]

Yeah Peril is less of an issue because you can take Battle Meditation and laugh

and you're sniping things from downtown so you have all the Quell time you need

[echo turtle]

There are witchfire abilities in the tabletop that function kind of like assail, Space wolves had a spell for a while that made a ton of shooting attacks at a unit

[obsidian elm]

Uff...I am looking for someone helping me with that Penace called Maleus Monstronum ... Does it sound fun to you kiting around a monstrosity while a idiot psyker brain bursting it in 50 attempts to kill it? Then I am looking for you!

[echo turtle]

I can't say in the books there was any description of a warp attack like assail, but it's not overly fare off some of a abilities in the game

[vast yew]

yeah it's similar but never actually existed as it does in Darktide

same with Brain Burst

Smite is the only one that's straight from tabletop

[brave fiber]

i dont take battle because i always try to stay in the 70s-80s range of peril bc of nexus, it kidna messes with that

[plucky flax]

Would fs make another psyker class? I want some other warp shizzle

[vast yew]

(and it works pretty differently there)

[echo turtle]

Brain burst is just "smite"

[vast yew]

well Smite always has giant white lightning bolts whenever it's depicted

[echo turtle]

Does it?

Makes sense actually yeah

[glossy ember]

feels mad awkward

[echo turtle]

There's a lot of art with the lightning

[vast yew]

The lightning is Smite

[glossy ember]

and there's a lot of moments where if I had warp stacks i woulda one shot specific enemies meanwhile I dropped my 15 stacks of DD becasue uhhh game didn't wanna make an enemy glow blue

[vast yew]

Yeah welcome to the DD special

great when it works!

(it doesn't work)

[rocky wraith]

the psykic minigun is called a psilencer? absolutely impeccable

i love psy puns

[vast yew]

it's got some other tangential stuff like letting you know of enemies through walls, and it mostly functions on a Gunker build even if you basically ignore it

but DD be quirky

[glossy ember]

the wall hack is nice

but it did feel mad inconsistant

sometimes I'd get chain of enemies glowing blue

which was nice

sometimes i'd just get nothing at all for a while

[vast yew]

Sometimes it's actually highlighting enemies, you just don't see it

because reasons

[brave fiber]

kinda wish dd stacks gave crit chance, then id consider it over warp siphon

[vast yew]

If DD gave crit it'd be a bit absurd

[glossy ember]

also not having warp siphon's pergil generation

screwed me over

[brave fiber]

but rn its just kinda outclassed by warp siphon imo

[glossy ember]

it's nice to be able to use scrier on cooldown though instead of having to wait for the right mob pack

[spice veldt]

DD is more niche but not particularly outclassed

[vast yew]

I mean usually on a DD build the only things you can generate Peril with are your Blitz and Scrier's Gaze, since DD build is usually a Gunker build

(or a force sword)

[glossy ember]

i went surge staff dd bro

[spice veldt]

more point efficient and better talent nodes along the path to DD

[glossy ember]

[vast yew]

oh

but Surge Staff is antisynergy with True Aim

(or will be once they fix it)

[glossy ember]

i just did a low intensity so

might not be real good showcase of DD

[vast yew]

it's a good showcase of how DD can sometimes just... drop

especially during elevators

[glossy ember]

yeah

[vast yew]

but I wouldn't go DD Surge becuase you waste True Aim

[glossy ember]

ok imma try an auric damnation with DD

yeah but i don't wanna play something else than surge staff

[vast yew]

and you can't get the Weakspot damage from DD, or trigger the "Weakspot kills give extra stacks" talent

[olive ember]

Playing surge staff

[glossy ember]

yeah

[olive ember]

[glossy ember]

i get uh

15% damage and crit damage

so it's way worse than just... warp siphons

[frail sand]

[olive ember]

Next you are going to tell me you use shriek

[glossy ember]

yeah it's terrible actually

[sand pumice]

That feeling when you only have Malleus Monstronum left but the only time you managed to find someone to help the two bots did too much damage for it to count...

[vast yew]

yeah that's just worse than WS lmao

[glossy ember]

why am i even playing this

[vast yew]

[glossy ember]

ok back to WS

[olive ember]

WS is mostly for the CDR at this point

For shriek spamming

[brave fiber]

im resigned to the fact that ill never get it tbh

[vast yew]

I mean WS is just kinda absurd in general

[sand pumice]

Sadge

[glossy ember]

i use scrier derpy

i don't get the cdr

[vast yew]

36% Peril reduction, 24% damage, and the cooldown reduction nonsense

[olive ember]

Disgusting

Fucking Scriers

Shriek forever

[glossy ember]

love scrier

[vast yew]

honestly Booden I'd just go EP to buff whatever your Blitz is

[late yew]

warp battery feels so essential to surge staff

[glossy ember]

but why

my blitz is for hordes

it's already overpowered

assail i mean

[late yew]

It reaches some breakpoints and allows you to spam it for so mufch longer

[vast yew]

the big thing with assail is the free shots

[brave fiber]

i do think assail is in a perfect spot rn, feels decent to use against mixed hordes without being basically a primary weapon

[vast yew]

which is nice

but honestly with Surge Scrier's you're already cooking in a completely different kitchen from the rest of us

so you do you my guy

👍

anyways I gotta go drive brb

[echo turtle]

It's not

I've been running without warp battery and my damage is just as good

It is great though

[olive ember]

I just think surge staff is garbage regardless kekw

[willow hazel]

thats a hot take

[olive ember]

It really isn’t

[echo turtle]

Eh, if you can't see what's good about it. I think there's a skill issue at play

[olive ember]

[spice veldt]

max ammo count of assail still needs to be shot in the knees

[willow hazel]

With EP, Assail is still really spamable, but feels tame compared to some of the other OP stuff in the game

[late yew]

Try it with battery

[spice veldt]

yes yes ogryn and other stuff is strong as hell

[olive ember]

I know a decent amount of people who think surge staff is mid but tbh none of them cares enough to argue

And I’ve tried it with warp battery before

[spice veldt]

anyways, I quite like assail so I want it to force people to have a brain to make good use of it

[late yew]

I don't seem to get it, it feels so ass against elites now

[willow hazel]

Idk, I do more damage with Surge than any other staff, so I don't think I can be convinced it's mid

[olive ember]

@spice veldt here refuses to even touch the surge staff out of principle kekw

[spice veldt]

and EP rework because I dislike how EP works

[late yew]

would prefer BB

[olive ember]

Like even if it was broke as shit he wouldn’t use it

SMH

[spice veldt]

as a single-target option or what?

[late yew]

Against groupes of them

and too slow as single target as well

[willow hazel]

3 Assails usually kills 3 elites

[late yew]

BB is faster surprisingly

[spice veldt]

assail has a 3-target limit which is nice, has good quickswap properties that allow you to swap to other weapons while the other shards are out, etc.

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I'm not sure I have played a single game this week running surge where I wasn't #1 in damage

Pretty good results for a garbage weapon

[spice veldt]

like if you're just using a blitz as your primary weapon, just go for BB

[willow hazel]

Maybe to kill one, but for groups Assail is great

[olive ember]

You playing with randos?

[spice veldt]

if you're not going to learn to swap weapons, don't bother having opinions on assail

[echo turtle]

Mostly solo q, often with a friend who has 1k+ hours in this and about double that in Vermintide

[olive ember]

Explains a lot if you solo queue tbh

Most people have no clue what they are doing in darktide

Like auric damn games where my 3 teammates don’t even know how to dodge a plogryn

[echo turtle]

If I soloQ and deal 1-200k more than the next highest guy, good results for a garbage weapon

[olive ember]

/shrug I’ve gotten 2nd highest damage when I was double queue and running a literal meme loadout

[echo turtle]

That's not impressive

[willow hazel]

It also goes to 6 targets with EP

[olive ember]

I mean dogshit like revolver knife psyker pre class rework

And 2nd highest damage

Exactly

[echo turtle]

Getting 2nd highest one time isn't really impressive though

[olive ember]

It’s not impressive when you play with ransoms

Cuz you can run wte the fuck and still be close to top

Or too

[echo turtle]

Being head and shoulders above everyone in every game for dozens of games shows something

[willow hazel]

Why did you not get #1?

[echo turtle]

Which is the damage I get with surge. Hence my stance of it not being garbage

[olive ember]

Because I was memeing with knife and revolver kekw and the guy I queued with who had the scoreboard mod was running some meta comp

So it was like 50k 100k 200k and then 400k iirc

[quasi junco]

Can this game fuck off loading me into missions with two people downed and myself with no HP?

[olive ember]

This is a while back anyways

[echo turtle]

I ran knife all the time pre rework it was a very strong weapon

[olive ember]

But it’s not like randoms habe improved from then to now

[quasi junco]

I just sit there and drink my beer when this happens

[echo turtle]

And still is

[olive ember]

Bro

You can’t be serious

[patent wing]

<@&735928989146939404> it came to my attention that some fatshark emps are in the mod community;
is there a confirmation that the executable in the mod loader is the same as in https://github.com/ManShanko/dtkit-patch ?
cuz theres no source code for it or a hash to compare

[near bluff]

uhhh wrong people to ask

[viral inlet]

This would be a way more suitable question for the modding server, hold on

[near bluff]

better asking in the mod discord

[echo turtle]

Seems like you have a hard time with weapons that require a bit more practice to utilize well

[patent wing]

i am in the mod discord but they are busy bullying me for asking for code

[olive ember]

Lmao

[echo turtle]

Knife bad surge bad

Ok man

[olive ember]

The surge staff and needing practice

That’s amazing

[echo turtle]

I mean, let's see you crush with it

[olive ember]

And talking to a surge staff main pre rework

[willow hazel]

Surge has a lot of different breakpoints and it takes some practice to swap cancel

[thorn cedar]

lmao

i just spent 300k dockets

[patent wing]

(not that im offended, im actually lmao)

[thorn cedar]

telling myself yknow what, im finally gonna grind out surge, fuck it

and right after i buy them, as i start, i click a random green that was already in my inventory, upgrade it, and voila

instant surge

the trick is to just burn all your fucking money

in a giant sacrifice to the gods

[echo turtle]

Damn

[thorn cedar]

i am befuddled

[idle bay]

Well you already rolled 1 out 4 on it. With one fail out 4 possible fails. So chances are good for god-roll

[echo turtle]

Still has the blessing

[thorn cedar]

Oh the end result was dogshit

Already scooped the blessing

Its w/e im rich as shit

[lunar hollow]

i got surge from melk

after spending 20k plasteel

[olive ember]

I got surge while trying to farm for flurry

It was not fun

[idle bay]

I get surge t4 on each 3-rd or 4th Void staff i craft...

[thorn cedar]

Melk got me too but with power cycler

[echo turtle]

I've spent 100k on swords and bloodthirsty still eludes me

[thorn cedar]

I had just spent an hour grinding some out, the hour flipped, I checked his shop, and there it was. Crafty fucker.

[lunar hollow]

lmao

i got pc right before the nerf

and then melk sold me it again

and then my first ever psword i consecrated to gold also had cycler

[thorn cedar]

i hated power sword for so long

now i almost love the 6

[olive ember]

I hate psword

[echo turtle]

Mk3 is under rated imo

[lunar hollow]

i like the 6

its p cool

[idle bay]

Obscuros have an identity crisis

[echo turtle]

Though if rampage is fixed, I would probs just use the mk6 all the time

[olive ember]

Obscures needs a rework

[lunar hollow]

the shitty dodges and dodge cd forcing you to play a bit more smartly with ur movement is nice

i enjoy it

[ornate hamlet]

Mk3 used to be overrated as fuck

I'm glad mk6 got into the light

[patent wing]

btw hows the bleed dmg vs monsters?

[echo turtle]

Not that great

[olive ember]

Not enough to build around bleed ever

[patent wing]

it feels like it does nothing despite the web telling me that its good

[olive ember]

Who?

[patent wing]

redditoooors

[echo turtle]

Oh

[olive ember]

Redditors have no clue what they are talking about

[echo turtle]

You can usually ignore redditors

[olive ember]

Their meta is either complete nonsense or like 3 months behind discord

[iron goblet]

Hi There. New to the game. was just wondering. What I should do for smooth leveling as a Psyker? I've litterally just started, 1 mission under my belt (Died a lot) After some youtube research it seemed like assail > then down the shield tree in the middle is decent? Potentially with a mk4 dueling sword and voidstrike staff (I'm assuming having my pick of weapons comes quite later though)

[echo turtle]

just take assail and you'll do fine as you learn the game

[patent wing]

are here some pros that can tell a 2 week old player if thats good

[olive ember]

Voidstrike and trauma need decent blessings and stats, for leveling go for purge or surge until 30 imo

[echo turtle]

Guns are better until you get staves with some higher stats

Ye purge too

Everything else ends you to max peril way too quickly

[violet oak]

just had an auric maelstrom where my team all stood "still" in the middle of a circle of snipers... and then died one by one

[plucky flax]

2 toughness 1 stam xd

[late yew]

Actually may be assail for leveling mostly

[plucky flax]

Ballsy choice

[olive ember]

I mean It works

[echo turtle]

Assail leveling is absurdly good

[iron goblet]

It's been nerfed recently right?

still stronk?

[echo turtle]

My buddy just leveled a psyker and was deleting everything in sight with assail on the lower difficulties

[olive ember]

The average player is trash

If you play the game a lot and hang around the discord you are probably already top 50% just by being here

Which is fine tbh, but it gets annoying when the team is dead by the 2nd hallway

[violet oak]

Was adding onto this

[iron goblet]

So before i get assail. Should i be blasting most of the time? In my game I found i was resorting to my melee weapon a lot

[olive ember]

Depends on the staff

And the melee

[iron goblet]

just starter equipment so far

[olive ember]

Tbh I swap back and forth depending on situation

[idle bay]

at last pixels of HP of their wound after 1st encouter...

[olive ember]

One thing about darktide is that it’s supposed to be hybrid ranged + melee combat

[idle bay]

Though at sometimes it just be relaxing to much at the start. Them those slackers toghen up and steam-roll through missions without dropping once 🙂

[olive ember]

So it’s something you kinda just have to get experienced with

[iron goblet]

that's where it veers off from vermintide huh?

[echo turtle]

You would be surprised by the skill of a lot of people even here. Being on disc does give a lot of info and feedback, but there's reddit level takes and mindsets here too

I had a true level 500 ogryn join a game, I recognized them as a regular in the ogryn channel, and I was playing my true level 50 ogryn with my buddy.

The dude had the second lowest damage and kills on the team.

Even many long time players are average at best

[violet oak]

Im usually on my second team by the end of the first encounter

Original team got knocked and leaves

[olive ember]

I cycled through 3 teams in a normal Damnation once

It was an experience

[rocky wraith]

i heard a rumor that the handcannon blessing is applied to melee and is always on

is this bug true?

[olive ember]

Just down leave I clutch down Leave I clutch again

[iron goblet]

oh, btw is it bad manners for psykers to take ammo?

[echo turtle]

It was a bug and it was fixed

No

If you use a gun, you are entitled to ammos same as everyone else

[rocky wraith]

i missed the bus on it then

[iron goblet]

excellent

[echo turtle]

If someone talks shit, block them and don't revive or save them from nets

[iron goblet]

nah no one said anything. Just checking

[echo turtle]

Oh people might

[iron goblet]

playing with randos so don't wanna be a turd player

[echo turtle]

Just don't take ammo if you have tons and your team is near empty, that's a bad manner in any situation

[olive ember]

Psykers can take ammo

[idle bay]

When i play Surge-smite-combustion build aggresively - i end up high on offensive score (kills, elites, special, crits, weakspots, damage . e.t.c) - when i start slacking and use smite often - i'm lowest on offensive score, but team having an easy time in each engagement.,

[olive ember]

There’s some weird ass take by some people that gun psyker has zero merits but

Gun Psyker is fine, especially if leveling, and you need ammo for your gun so

[echo turtle]

Smite damage is pretty trash, there really shouldn't be much of a need to spam it even into specials unless your team is just completely dogshit and needs the CC

[idle bay]

And to piss of culeless vets that have no idea how good gin psyker is

[echo turtle]

I had a psyker player mocking me in game for using a gun

He said how much the gun and assail sucks, then I told him to look and see how I did 450k damage and he did 300k and suddenly even though. I was stealing his kills, scoreboard bad

[idle bay]

Spam is no nesseceary at all. Just hold the crowd at tough moment, Shriek -combust to clear air, them pick off elites while everything on it's ass. And ususaly it's enough.

[echo turtle]

I do that , hold a pack to ramp.quickly and vent

Great use of the ability

[idle bay]

And team usualy capitalises on held crowd - quickly picking it if off without need to worry about defense

[echo turtle]

Yeah, it can be pretty helpful

I tend to go for the kills unless it's really hectic and the team needs a breather

[idle bay]

Smite psyker holding crowd for Purgatus psyker to grill - is another dream team combo

[echo turtle]

I suppose, if you had that set up you could grind down most encounters pretty consistently

I dont have the patience for that though lol

All those people running around spamming smite though would love it

[idle bay]

Though such tactics impose slower movement through level But it's generaly fine - brcause you are virtually untouchable

[brave fiber]

fuck

[willow hazel]

I would change: -Wildfire, -Battle Meditation, +Kinetic Deflection

but what you have is going to work too

[echo turtle]

I wouldn't change anything

Unless you are finding you are getting gaurd broken frequently

Wildfire and battle meditation will give you a lot of uptime and damage

[patent wing]

little explanation: i use shriek with sb for dmg, then hold them in line with smite

[late yew]

wildfire sucks

[patent wing]

BM sometimes doubles my smite time

often saw reduction from 90 to 10 peril

[echo turtle]

Have you used a scoreboard plug in to actually see how much damage you deal with soul blaze?

[glossy ember]

kinetic deflection ends up being much more useful than the 20% TDR from scrier

[late yew]

Wildfire sucks

[patent wing]

no im to paranoid to use non open source software

[late yew]

It does not even do what it claims it does

[echo turtle]

So no

I know what it does

[brave fiber]

what do yall take blessing wise on deimos

[echo turtle]

Have you actually tested it and looked at your damage numbers or not?

Slaught, uncanny deflector

Depending on your desired set up

Uncanny with DD/scriers can two tap crushers

[patent wing]

actually i think u might be right

[echo turtle]

Maybe even one shot on a crit with the right buffs up

[late yew]

i doubt it

for example, it does not spread stacks if it is just 1

[echo turtle]

Ah, an armchair expert

I'm aware of how it spreads

[late yew]

[echo turtle]

Have you actually tested it and looked at the data

Or not?

[patent wing]

are u asking me? i dont use mods

[willow hazel]

yeah Battle Mediation makes it harder to get 85% peril for shriek. Wildfire does a little, but it's mostly bad

[echo turtle]

Naw salty

Him and purgatus just constantly say how it's bad

But they don't run the scoreboard plug in to see their damage with and without

[patent wing]

i would swap it maybe with the 5% crit perk but idk

[echo turtle]

So, they just go on about the "meat grinder meta" while some of us are actually playing missions and trying stuff out

Going for 5% and KD is good

[patent wing]

yeah in theory it sounds good but mostly they just die with smite shriek smite duration

[echo turtle]

KD is great, especially if you don't stack stam and block efficiency

Well, I would recommend using smite less

Once you ramp the peril up and vent there's no reason to keep smiting

[orchid nest]

KD is good with a stam curio too since it reduces peril generated. but yeah you can compensate one way or the other with it

[quasi junco]

how hard is it to setup overproof?

[echo turtle]

It's not hard at all

Just turn off a bunch of stats you don't want otherwise it won't fit

[woeful patio]

I consider kinetic deflection mandatory for any of my builds

Pair it with deflector and existence is so much easier

[quasi junco]

yea just dl it, going to set it up now

vanilla scoreboard lackluster

[echo turtle]

Fwiw you can get 80% block efficiency and tank just about anything directly to stam if you were inclined

[patent wing]

i can hold a giant horde including crusher squad under control until all are dead but the biggies, then i bring up the surge xx

[quasi junco]

deimos with deflector, block eff, and stam curios is badass

[woeful patio]

Not untrue but I can quell the peril built from KD and turn it into toughness

[quasi junco]

you can tank until 85 peril then use CF, then tank some more

[echo turtle]

I was running that and it did feel good

There is something to be said for a slaugh/uncanny to obliterate enemies but there is also something to be said for the defensive deimos

[quasi junco]

can even tank an overhead from a crusher

[echo turtle]

You can't tank an overhead

It bypasses the block and downs you

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-death-goodbye-gif-23845288

DaemonHosts when the Psyker is running KD + Deflector w/ Stam Curio and Block Efficiency

[quasi junco]

Sometimes I find myself (skill issue) not positioning the best, this helps me get to safety lol

[vapid lichen]

if you have KD, venting shriek, a stam curio, and a nice open area to run around in, you can even kite a demon host until it's dead without any block efficiency

[echo turtle]

Yeah it's good for sure

Staying alive is really important

[half iron]

i must run to a bad position raaaaagh!

[woeful patio]

Or just dodge the final hit in the chain and vent any peril generated for toughness tank

Managed to kite one for 3m on a Heresy with noobs until they whittled it down

[quasi junco]

LOL thought there would be more options than this

[vapid lichen]

i had to kite a demonhost for like a solid 2-3 minutes or something a few days ago because i accidentally blasted her through the darkness on a lights-out mission

[woeful patio]

Unfortunately it’s more trial and error to find what you like

You can also ask other gamers for the settings they run

[vapid lichen]

i only use defense and offense tiers 0/1

[woeful patio]

I turned off all offense tiers and just keep the vanilla stats outside of revives and downs

Maybe a few others I can’t remember

Damn if only there was a vanilla scoreboard that was streamlined

Maybe one written on the same engine

With important stats we’re familiar with

[tame venture]

Man, how bad of an idea would it be to have a gun psyker build, and use an infantry lasgun

[olive ember]

It would work

Wouldn’t be optimal but it would work

[true badger]

Any advice? Using it on my purgatus/shield/bb build, don't know what my second craft should be or if I should try a diff blessing
https://i.imgur.com/frJ7EH2.png

[tame venture]

I feel like automatic weapons work best with gunker
Revolver, laspiss, IAG, autopisser, etc

[olive ember]

Revolver is meh

[true badger]

I love revolver

[tame venture]

Revolver is basically voidstrike but better reaction and burst with worse sustain,no?

[olive ember]

Laspistol and infantry/hesdhunter autoguns are your best bet

Revolver is good by itself but not enough uptime under Scriers

But revolver is just a better surge stsff tho

[tame venture]

I wish I could get internus on laspiss

Though I have a pretty good Columbus IAG to work with

[olive ember]

You can just simply get luckier

[tame venture]

I swear melk never carries it either

[spice veldt]

autopistol isn't particularly great

it has crit strings but no crit weakspot dmg to remark of

[tame venture]

It's not great but it's fun

[olive ember]

Look at how they RUINED my boy

[tame venture]

How do the different HHs all rank? One is basically just a bullet flavored lasgun

The 2rnd burst one I think is preferable, nom

?

[olive ember]

Uh vraks 7 and vraks 3 are the meta ones

I forgot the rest

They have a higher crit/weakspot damage iirc than lasguns

[tame venture]

Ah I c

[olive ember]

So you can do funny like 1k damage per shot crit strings

[strong gulch]

Replace crit chance with maniac.

[olive ember]

Wait am I being stupid

Can the head hunters crit string

They are semi auto right

@spice veldt help ;-;

[bleak tulip]

VII is

[tame venture]

Are recon lasguns just bad

They're kinda fun to play ngl

[bleak tulip]

3 is the burst I think that one's got crit stings

[vapid lichen]

vraks 3 is 3-burst
agripinaa 9 is 2-burst
vraks 7 is semi

[obtuse river]

Should I not be using wildfire with purg staff and shriek?

[true badger]

Thank 🙏

[patent wing]

bulwark says no

[olive ember]

They are only good on vet cuz rending but then they got nerfed and are bad across the board now

[bleak tulip]

wild fire makes a pretty minor difference, I don't use it

[brave fiber]

Yknow now that I think about it I think I have yet to use an automatic weapon at a high level in this game across all of my characters

[quasi junco]

wild fire is great on blaze trauma.... and sucks on everything else

[patent wing]

would a mk8 axe be better at boss killing than the mk4 ds?

[olive ember]

Mk8?

[patent wing]

achlys

[iron goblet]

Is this actually legit or some meme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVNdwQOk2w&t=221s&ab_channel=Tetuous Seems to be a melee orientated psyker with a dash of assail?

[olive ember]

If it’s YouTube it’s 99% a meme

[vapid lichen]

build a columnus iag best one

[compact bluff]

the headhunters are less 'crit string' and more 'crit burst'
they roll a crit chance on the first shot, if that shot crits then every shot in the burst crits. otherwise, no crits
the vraks 8 is semi auto and cant crit burst

[quasi junco]

'Dominate every difficulty' - doesnt take into account other players

[tame venture]

Achylis, gorg, collumnus,

[olive ember]

Achyls probably not? Granted I haven’t tested it

[violet oak]

[vapid lichen]

the only thing that can dominate every difficulty is sheer overwhelming skill that allows you to never die and always clutch and carry everyone

[brave fiber]

I’m just too busy trying to get a good Deimos, the last one I rolled had god stats but rolled like shit

[patent wing]

i need a boss killing weapon (no bb, i use smite) thats why im askin

[tame venture]

The achylis is a laser beam if you brace and crouch

[patent wing]

staff and melee open

[patent wing]

wdym

[olive ember]

He takes a worthless skill that gives +1 dodge which tells me he doesn’t know what he’s doin

[iron goblet]

tbh the way he was explaining it gave me the gist it was a bit of a joke ;P

[tame venture]

Roll a decent enough one, and try it out. 320+ stats and one "eh" perk or bless

[patent wing]

also DD is kinda a joke imo.

[olive ember]

DD is

meh

but yeah looking at the comments it looks like a joke video

[patent wing]

cant get it to work

[vapid lichen]

this guy sounds like an ign game reviewer with every line

[tame venture]

On stubbers, bracing gives accuracy. And weapons are more accurate when crouching.

The way that gun's stats are calced it goes from an acceptable SMG to a 20m accurate laser beam

[patent wing]

i meant the achlys axe tho :D

[tame venture]

When hipfired vs braced+crouched

[patent wing]

i want the ogryn burn or hammer zeal experience as a psyker too

[iron goblet]

EP better?

[tame venture]

There's an achylis heavy stubber

[patent wing]

in terms of killing bosses

[vapid lichen]

I really like DD but only on void staff or gunker

[patent wing]

yeah ik i use it with burn to one mag a Demon host

[vapid lichen]

dd is super weapon-dependent in my experience

[patent wing]

but seems like the psyker cant kill bosses

(in under 2min )

[bleak tulip]

well he is right about ds4 being the best melee at least

[patent wing]

deimos h2 can send crushers to earth tho

[bleak tulip]

sure, but so can ds4, and faster

[vocal iron]

so like, is there a real reason to ever use smite LMB instead of charging RMB unless its really an oh shit moment and you need to stun like 1 thing. i cant tell id the damage is really any different and peril gains seem similar. charging RMG seems always better bc is spreads faster.

[patent wing]

how tho

[steel flame]

You can with scrier and a dumdum infernus laspistol

[vapid lichen]

laspistol scrier's gunker does a pretty good job at bossing

[bleak tulip]

uncanny

[patent wing]

ah thats why the deimos of mine does it

[iron goblet]

Does assail not do anything to bosses?

[patent wing]

good to know that fkin rending gives stagger

[bleak tulip]

ds4 just stabs faster is mostly why I think it's better

Deimos is fine

[vapid lichen]

use it on things that are highly dangerous and need to be cc'd or killed quickly

like dog

mainly dog

[echo turtle]

I've been using it with surge and it works well

[vapid lichen]

mostly dog actually
sometimes mauler or crusher

[vocal iron]

but why not jsut rmb them i dont feel like im ever in a situation that i need lmb over rmb or its very few times

thats all im saying

[patent wing]

i have an accatran with dumdumand burn and it does nothing compareable since the stacks are capped at 12

[echo turtle]

On my gunker build tho, there is a bugged interaction somewhere in the talent tree and it causes DD not to work

Might be malefic momentum or something

[vocal iron]

except as an oh shit moment

[silk hawk]

When ragers are sitting on ya face

[vapid lichen]

rager too yeah

[steel flame]

Recon is not comparable to laspistol. Las has disgusting amounts of finesse damage

[echo turtle]

Pushing bursters away quickly is also a good use

[patent wing]

good 2 know ty

[vapid lichen]

yeah it has to be laspistol

recon sucks

[patent wing]

but then its the crit dmg not the burn

?

[steel flame]

It's all of it

Crit damage, weak point damage dumdum and burn

[patent wing]

smite, las pistol souinds good, but i have to use melee against those crusher gangs

[olive ember]

dum dum is the important thing

burn is only really used to maximize damage against bosses

[patent wing]

ty guys will try it out

[steel flame]

I just use ds4 for carapace

[orchid nest]

deimos cc against crushers is def better. the ds4 special is really good obviously. they are both great, I feel like people here discount deimos too much. giving up a little dps for the utility it gives is a legitimate choice

[vapid lichen]

sometimes it's just not your job to be fair

[silk hawk]

Just smite them and let your tem be useful once

[patent wing]

often im the only one left alive xx

[vapid lichen]

if you want to run a specific build, you'll have a weakness somewhere no matter what

[digital narwhal]

Burn also helps to stack DumDum faster, which is a minor benefit to be mentioned

[silk hawk]

If u are smite in a party and your team is dead near you it's your fault....

[patent wing]

https://tenor.com/view/no-angry-never-bad-sad-gif-18662796

[steel flame]

If you stick uncanny on ds4 is kills crushers in 3 headshots 2 with a crit

Laspistol will kill maulers faster

[patent wing]

instructions unclear, they already surrounded me and giving me overheads while bodyblockign

[late yew]

then you fucked up long before that

[patent wing]

sometimes map is not big enough 🤷‍♂️

[steel flame]

Just turn invisible bro

[orchid nest]

that is when deimos is good, yeah. easier to manage a larger amount of crushers with the complete knockdown and the 10m push also staggering them

[coarse tartan]

this thing good?

[violet oak]

what

[coarse tartan]

you dont really care about crit as surge right?

[violet oak]

[olive ember]

its a surge staff so no

[echo turtle]

Crit bonus is low, otherwise incredible

Absolutely worth using

[olive ember]

for a surge staff its pretty nice

[coarse tartan]

haha is surge that bad

[steel flame]

I mean it's not like the surge is the crit staff or anything

[coarse tartan]

i saw someone pop off with it

[olive ember]

its not that bad

i'd say its the worst of the staves but

a bunch of people disagree

and the people who do agree don't argue in psyker chat in circles

[silk hawk]

It's not that bad, but not a meta choice either

[patent wing]

issa a better revolver

[shrewd flare]

What do yall put on your Curios, Siblings?

[olive ember]

but I'm not smart enough so I just sit here talking about how bad surge staff is and getting shit on by the surge copers

[violet oak]

blood and ash

[patent wing]

ult regen, toughness regen, sniper res

[late yew]

you know, i surprisingly find vet pretty fun to play after last rework

[coarse tartan]

akdsmfglkamdsgdfg

[echo turtle]

"Lots of the best players think it's bad, but they don't post here"

😏

[coarse tartan]

fatshark is laughing at me

[olive ember]

I mean

they don't

well some of them do

they just never talk about surge

[steel flame]

None of the staves are actually bad it's just that surge is towards the bottom of the staves right now. Still think purgatus performs worse overall but that's just me

[late yew]

Sounds like such a terminal skissue of someone who failed to make auto-aim weapon working

[olive ember]

i mean

if you think a staff that can't even one shot a dreg gunner without crit or buffs is good

more power to ya

[echo turtle]

Where is the upper echelon of psykers at?

Is this the claystetics gang you're talking about?

[silk hawk]

Surge gang!

[patent wing]

dumpstat for las pistol?

[shrewd flare]

Purgatus seems to be my best Staff atm

[echo turtle]

But it does oneshot them cuz you have lots of buffs

[coarse tartan]

HAAHHAHAAHAH

[steel flame]

Mobility

[coarse tartan]

WHY GOD

[patent wing]

i like it too, but it makes me legally blind after 1 game

[echo turtle]

That's like saying void is bad cuz it only one shots crushers with buffs

[olive ember]

purge does its job well, which is clears hordes and everything in between

[vestal fulcrum]

At least it's not Sprint efficiency

[olive ember]

mfw when you compare one shotting crushers to one shotting a dreg gunner

[shrewd flare]

I have been running Purgatus, Soulflame build with Brain Rupture and it's just nice.

[echo turtle]

Play the staff right and it can near one shot a rager

[tame venture]

I wish BB was better though

[echo turtle]

Dunno why you struggle against bruisers

[steel flame]

I put purgatus in the same place I put the flame staff in vermintide. It's job is done better by the other staves with blazing spirit

[vapid lichen]

unlucky

[olive ember]

play a voidstrike staff wrong and it will still one shot two ragers, from twice the range of a surge staff, while also CC'ing everything aroung them

play a purge and delete literally an entire pack of ragers

play a trauma and ragers are a non threat in general

but i'm sure killing one rager at a time is good

[echo turtle]

Learn melee ragers are also a non threat

[vapid lichen]

only trauma tbf
rather than the other staves with blazing too

[tame venture]

Try running a combat blade, i have with that exact build, and being able to reposition easily is great, even outside of the high movement.
And it's a decent single target weapon too

[late yew]

Considering it can do 3 full charge shots with same speed as other staves do 1...

[olive ember]

probably, but purge is easy as shit to use, literally brain off and mouse +right

[shrewd flare]

I have Force Sword. I like

[echo turtle]

Voids good, I'm not saying it isn't.

But I haven't had a void player out damage me on my surge yet in pubs

[steel flame]

Fire void is fantastic again now that the damage has been reined in so it actually lights stuff up like it used too

[olive ember]

2, 2 shots, without flurry, and consdiering you need 2 shots to kill a rager while a voidstrike can do 1 charge to kill 2

[spice veldt]

purg does ~6 stacks every 2 seconds assuming no crits, which is a fair bit better than blazing spirit stuff

[olive ember]

or 2 charges of purge to kill every rager in site

[spice veldt]

and has 15 stack limit

[olive ember]

whats 6 charges of surge do? 6 ragers?

at best?

lets say 6 charges of surge to 2 charges of purge

purge kills every rager and trash

surge kills 6

[tame venture]

The force sword is a very similar role and use, but the knife also gives spectacular mobility.
Give it a try sometime

[olive ember]

and i'm being generous as shit

[steel flame]

And thata all it do Zzzzzzzz

[olive ember]

because its not 3 charges of surge per one charge of purge, and its not 1 charge of surge to kill 1 rager

but

even under the most generous of fucking circumstances

surge kills 6 ragers

[echo turtle]

And yet in spite of that, I get more soul fire damage on my surge than every purgatus player has with their staff I have matched with

[late yew]

Purge does not stun on right click though

?

[olive ember]

my guy, when 20 ragers run at you, stunning two won't mean much

[late yew]

or does it

i don't remember

[olive ember]

you can also dodge backwards

or use shriek

etc. etc.

[spice veldt]

purg stuns ragers on LMB

but not the RMB

[orchid nest]

inheriting is a thing for soulfire like the other dots for the scoreboard right?

[olive ember]

it does after a while iirc

but it takes a bit and isn't that reliable

[spice veldt]

pub players tho

[late yew]

Surge definitely kills sub 7 amount of ragers faster thna purge

[olive ember]

I suppose so, tho we are also comparing the two bottom barrel staves

[late yew]

also those are weapons with opposite purposes

[echo turtle]

I've had level 300+ psykers way under my damage, I don't buy into the "oh it's just pubs bad" arguement

[late yew]

good luck killing crusher patrol wtih purge

Or bulwarks

Surge makes a joke of both of them

esepcailly bulwarks

Just opens them up for team to insstantly headshot

[spice veldt]

i've also had two lvl 1k patch 12 surge psykers spamming surge into hordes

[late yew]

btw, i am also starting to consider switching blaze on trauma to flurry

[silk hawk]

Smite is just better surge? XD

[spice veldt]

i'm sure that levels are an accurate metric to rank players by

[echo turtle]

Every weapon works in it's build, People like to say "this is better than that" but that's usually just meat grinder meta or air chair scenerios

[spice veldt]

yeah and I'm remarking on the purg because it's the one other weapon that I use regularly

[silk hawk]

If we speak about game exp, i would say yes

[late yew]

Purg really sucks if you have good team

[brittle crest]

i think most are sleeping on bleed knife tbh

[spice veldt]

you should be jailed

[late yew]

Because they basically kill all targets before soul fire gets to damage anything

[late yew]

shut the fuck up

[patent wing]

voidstrike can miss if u aim for head, and only oneshots with surg crit and headshots (at least crushers, idk for ragers), also 11 cleave
trauma clunky to use and limited range, also trauma and void have long charging times

[spice veldt]

with food cooked by stan

[echo turtle]

In games, surge is reliable quick damage and CC, and excellent for remove specialists that come from every direction, it works very well with creeping flames and has great crits synergy

It's solid, I'm not saying it's better than this or that, all the staves are good. It's just not garbage or even mid imo, it's stands shoulder to shoulder with the rest

[patent wing]

surge gives mobility

while you aim at a rager i already killed 3

[clear heath]

Does anyone know if there's a difference between auric and non auric if the conditions are the same?

[echo turtle]

If you see people spamming it mindlessly and not being efficient, that's a skill issue

You can quick fire into a horde of you want, but realistically you should swap to melee unless there is some reason you are doing that

[spice veldt]

and I'm saying that you're certainly not going to have more soulblaze output than a purg player that's reasonably skilled and aggressive if you're using surg

[echo turtle]

One thing folks don't know is surge has a super high crit rate, and you trigger mettle whether or not you hit anythinf

[orchid nest]

soulblaze probably works like bleeds for the scoreboard where the first player to apply it is the owner of the stack and all the damage is attributed to that person. so if that is true and you run up and creeping flames and are more aggressive than a purg player in general it's pretty hard to judge what they are doing vs you

[spice veldt]

perfect timing gets triggered no matter what

mettle is per-hit

[clear heath]

yeah mettle actually needs to hit

[echo turtle]

I have had higher soul fire damage than every one I have matched with

That is the dot damage only, not the staff damage itself from the fire, which isn't nothing

[spice veldt]

yes

I'm specifically talking about soulblaze output

[spice veldt]

soulblaze output

in case you couldn't fucking read

[patent wing]

well you can kill elites faster than purg

[echo turtle]

Yeah, mine has been consistently higher

[patent wing]

means faster stacks

[clear heath]

you're likely taking the soulblaze credit if you play more up front and you run creeping flames

[echo turtle]

Ah you're moody today, let's not chat then if you can't be civil

[spice veldt]

yeah, let's not chat if you're somehow arguing that you're dishing out more soulblaze with a non-purg build than a purg build

i don't ever see how this is arguable

[orchid nest]

yeah I said that twice now too. if you apply your soulblaze first you are inheriting all the purg players damage and they are literally boosting you over themselves on the scoreboard

[spice veldt]

I have no reason to be civil if you can't reason this shit out easily

[true vault]

Just made this, what should I equip ?

[tame venture]

Surge is an instant delete button, purge is a "may the room quiet down" gun

[echo turtle]

I have scoreboard and look at the damage from soul blaze, mine is higher than them consistently what about that confuses you

Also, no need to be an asshole about it

[patent wing]

i spent 200k for my laspistol im trying out ur dumdum and infernus build rn if i cant kill nurgle with 1 mag im sad

[spice veldt]

I'm going to be an asshole if I need to repeat a basic fact more than once

[clear heath]

a lot of it isn't your damage. it's just the limitations of scoreboard giving credit to whoever burned first.
If you apply 1 stack of soulblaze first and they apply 14, it counts as yours

[olive ember]

auric has a +50% intensity modifier apparently which basically means more spawns

[echo turtle]

Ok well you can go fuck yourself then arco

[spice veldt]

sure, you can go keep on believing that you're dishing out more soulblaze than a purg build

[silver portal]

Can psykers one shot monstrosutues?

[clear heath]

alright good to know

[silver portal]

Also what u guys fighting about?

[orchid nest]

I'll try tagging you this time but it's very hard to tell from the scoreboard what is going on there because the first person to apply a dot inherits all following stacks for the scoreboard. if you creeping flames something and a purg user follows up behind you, you "steal" all that damage from them as far as the scoreboard is concerned. so it's very hard to judge how well they are doing at that point other than you are the more aggressive initial applicator

[echo turtle]

Anyways, like I said, I've played well lots of purgatus psykers who clocked in less dot damage from this staves than I got with creeping flames venting

[clear heath]

yeah cause those purg psykers are cowards

[silver portal]

~>

[spice veldt]

like I said, pub players

[silver portal]

What you running(

[spice veldt]

you've remarked on >300 lvl purg players who've done jack shit

[silver portal]

?

[spice veldt]

and I can also remark on high level surge players who do jack shit

[echo turtle]

I'm venting like, every 20 seconds, and apply from perilous

If they can't get the kills and damage first it goes to show how effective their application method is compared to incidental damage from a surge build

[clear heath]

all they would have to do to do more is walk forward and hit them first to get the soulblaze credit

a lot of pub psykers play back

[silver portal]

Purge == Surge stop fighting

[echo turtle]

Both are fine

[silver portal]

Tis just game

[spice veldt]

it's not about which staff is better

this is purely about build is dishing out more soulblaze

like is this a meme that purg is bad at dishing out soulblaze

[silver portal]

Oh what beats a purge staff then lmao?

[echo turtle]

I doubt the argument that I am getting credit from them.

It's not as if I jump from like 150k to 300k soulblaze damage when a purgatus player joins

[spice veldt]

a couple of staffs

I'd pick trauma and voidstrike over purg in terms of optimality personally

[silver portal]

What sorcery is this lmao

[silk hawk]

Going wildfire to steal score board dmg, kekw

[orchid nest]

@echo turtle There is a lot of ways you can reason through it but it does make the scoreboard for this purpose inherently unreliable. You have no way of knowing what their damage was. Of course their damage looks low if you inherited a lot of it. It's still likely you are the better player yes if you consistently take their stacks, but it's still also not a good measure to see how they were performing.

[silver portal]

What’s fun is fun my frens

• gun psyker stealing all the ammo

[spice veldt]

I have no problem with fun

[silver portal]

😉

[spice veldt]

but I think it's a clear fact that purg is dealing more soulblaze than a non-purg build

[silver portal]

Well yea its a purg staff

[orchid nest]

yeah, absolutely

[silver portal]

I mean anything works in this game with right build/team comp

[echo turtle]

Comparing soul blaze and total damage, usually I have significantly higher total than they do, and am pretty on par with soul fire.

Seeing the damage output from the purge I'm not overly impressed by the weapon, pub players probably aren't playing an optimal build but it's a consistent trend

[spice veldt]

yeah I agree that you can just use whatever if you know how to use it at least decently and whatnot

but I'm talking about soulblaze output

I'm not talking about viability/optimality/what is better than what

I'm talking purely about soulblae output

nothing else

only soulblaze output

[echo turtle]

You would think that the fire staff would apply significantly more DOT damage than another staff that applies it from venting and elite kills, but from what I have seen, it doesn't

[spice veldt]

the amount of stacks that you output per unit of time

[orchid nest]

Yeah but if you inherit their stacks it doesn't show the damage on their side for the soulblaze. They doubly lose out on the scoreboard for this purpose - their damage was lower while yours was higher because of their damage being shown on your total instead of theirs.

the scoreboard is far from perfect

[spice veldt]

i can't believe i have to defend a staff that I do not mechanically like

[silver portal]

You’re all wrong, best soulblaze build is the fire in yours souls arguing about staves :3

[true badger]

I like my fire stick :(

[echo turtle]

Oh it definitely is, but while they lose our on some I would too, it's not perfect but it does shed some light on the effectiveness

[true badger]

I go WOOOOOSH and they all on fire

[silver portal]

All sticks are equal

[echo turtle]

They are all good

[silver portal]

Except my stick, my stick extra strong

[true badger]

Me like

[feral verge]

You dislike purga because it takes talent, skill, good looks, charm and wit to use it effectively

[orchid nest]

definitely in theory, that is why I just assumed you were likely the more aggressive and better player if you consistently steal their stacks. it does make it impossible to judge how much damage they did though at the same time

[true badger]

If it wasn't for being perpetually out of plasteel I might actually make a surge or trauma staff

[silk hawk]

Bcuz fart sharks are pussies to make a proper official scoreboard....

[silver portal]

Run damnation runs

[true badger]

I do

[silver portal]

Oh lol

[true badger]

But I'm trying to fund 4 characters