psyker-class

[spice veldt]

yeah p much just spam it on enemies that don't get suppressed or aren't going to move it much if I do use the LMB for damage

[rare storm]

I'm not sure about blast radius affecting lmb tho

[spice veldt]

but the raw DPS, aside from usability concerns, is appreciable even as a meme build

(except unyielding damage)

[rare storm]

If only surge has surge blessing

[spice veldt]

can't spam LMBs to kill reapers in a timely manner 😦

[rare storm]

Big brain lmb spam

[long wharf]

if only surge had blazing spirit

[feral verge]

it's legit slept on

[long wharf]

sigh oh what could have been

pre-13, anyways

[willow hazel]

Not only does the the lmb do reduced damage to reapers, but they also immediately tuck in their heads

[spice veldt]

i cri

[dark swift]

I've been thinking about trying a Gun Psyker and saw this blessing on the infantry Autogun on another character and was wondering if it's worth taking for the blessing?

[long wharf]

you absolutely want Dum-Dum

[dark swift]

ah ty!

[feral verge]

@dark swift

you want these blessings/perks

afaik

oh wait diff wep family

[long wharf]

uh, you're really missing the boat by not having DumDum

and that's braced, psyker doesn't get braced guns

[dark swift]

Just picked it up for the blessing lmao

When it comes to blessings are they shared across the weapon type? For example IV Dumdum across all autoguns?

[long wharf]

infantry autoguns, yes

[feral verge]

no, not across all auto guns

but they will be shared accross the family

[dark swift]

ah kk

[long wharf]

all variants of the archtype

[feral verge]

there are infantry auto guns, braced auto guns

[long wharf]

IAG != Braced Auto guns

[soft notch]

need to free 2 talent points, any suggestions?

[willow hazel]

and headhunter autoguns

[long wharf]

frankly, all of the *autoguns should be variants of the same archtype

just like the force staves should be variants of a single archtype

[rare storm]

What are you running

[soft notch]

illsi and las pistol, gun psyker basically

I want 2 more points for solitdity

[willow hazel]

It's not great on gun Psyker

[vapid lichen]

you could drop the DD quell%chance node and the scrier's TDR node

[soft notch]

thankie

[vapid lichen]

although i'd also switch the -peril gen on scrier's to finesse

[rare storm]

You can take out lightning storm (smite branch node) and wildfire if you want to play with solidity

[gray jetty]

Laspistol is amazing on gunker

[willow hazel]

The two worse talents you have are Puppet master and the -5% peril. But obviously needed if you want Solidity

[vapid lichen]

yeah you could also drop those two

a lot of options, really

[rare storm]

i'd keep purloin, it helps to keep scrier up longer

not OFTEN

But it does help

especially since DD works properly now

[willow hazel]

Purloin is a really bad version of Battle Meditation

[rare storm]

But you can run both

and they're seperate instances

[gray jetty]

I dont really like purloin

Very inconsistent

When you could spend that point on something else

[rare storm]

it's a playstyle thing

You can don't run it and that's fine

I personally like it

[feral verge]

i'd never run purloin

[soft notch]

yeah I don't need it

doesn't help for what I need

[rare storm]

again playstyle thing

[soft notch]

which is boss and elite killing

[rare storm]

Okay then yes you definitely don't need it

[willow hazel]

If every 1 in 10 enemies you kill is marked, then Purloin is only 30% as good as Battle Meditaion. But 1 in 10 is pretty generous.

[rare storm]

I use it on melee d4 to run and poke everything

so if it procs, good for me

If not, eh

[soft notch]

I like solitidty for smite for the 80% of time I'm not shooting

[rare storm]

The chances are still not 0

Huge

[quasi junco]

i thought only 30s could do auric

a lvl 27 vet with a blue helbore was just in a lobby

[willow hazel]

You can queue up with lower levels

[quasi junco]

i noped the fuck out of there

[willow hazel]

The lowest level I won an Auric Maelstrom with a lv8

[quasi junco]

a smite bot?

[willow hazel]

It was an Ogryn. He didn't do much damage but he picked up the other two idiots a bunch

If they know how to play and don't wander off alone it's not too bad

[strong gulch]

Wow. Repair has actually been up on the board today. Like repeatedly.

[willow hazel]

it says 14 but pretty sure he was 8 or something when we queued up

[vapid lichen]

okay i just tested it again and nah this is way faster
https://youtu.be/cBKZxuXOEoM

[willow hazel]

Is that manual or a macro

[vapid lichen]

manual

the first one is me clicking as fast as i can with normal and the second one is me alternating with a rhythm

[gray jetty]

Mans mashing r dumb fast

[vapid lichen]

i can't do any fancy movement during it

but i am both a zoomer and a piano player, it's manageable

[gray jetty]

Piano, makes sense

[vapid lichen]

unfortunately it also hurts my fingers

[long wharf]

young, makes sense

no fear of arthritis, yet

or carpal tunnel

[vapid lichen]

it also took me multiple tries to get one good cut lmfao
definitely not worth doing regularly

but if you need to burst shots and can do it, it's kinda worth

[quasi junco]

never seen this many RQers in a lobby, is there some loser streamer convincing people only a certain team comp can win games?

[steel flame]

I keep.telling people this and they never believe me

[willow hazel]

I had a zealot leave because the vet wasn't running Survilaist... in a 2 psyker party

[quasi junco]

LOL

[steel flame]

I've had a psyker leave because I was a vet using a knife

[long wharf]

damage-wise, it's not worth quell canceling void

peril-wise, it's incredibly inefficient

[rare storm]

ooo cool

still, my only quelm with quell cancelling is I don't get to use togglequell

[long wharf]

psykers have so many options for dealing with different kinds of threats now

[rare storm]

[long wharf]

trying to use void for everything isn't necessary

[olive ember]

imagine using voidstrike

disgust

this is why I use trauma

[lethal helm]

what’s peoples favourite melee weapon for dealing with hoard with mixed ragers/maulers?

[olive ember]

mixed hordes are for ranged

[lethal helm]

been trying a bunch and not happy with anything

yeah. I get ranged is better but sometimes I get stuck

just block and run to space can’t be the only option right?

[bleak tulip]

[long wharf]

illisi is best for horde

[lethal helm]

it can’t kill ragers fast though

[willow hazel]

I like poking ragers with a dueling sword

then Perilous Combustion kills the horde

[olive ember]

that works yeah

[lethal helm]

ohh

[tired knoll]

trauma enjoyers explode their feet

[lethal helm]

didn’t think of that

[willow hazel]

Make sure to use the special after heavies. It breaks the combo and is almost 0 time

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi's special staggers ragers

The dueling sword's as well

when it comes to the surge staff what am i looking for base stat wise?

[lethal helm]

I tried illisi a lot and it left me dead occasionally

[long wharf]

sounds like you weren't prioritizing targets well enough

[willow hazel]

Damage, crit, and charge speed are all important on Surge. Most mixes of Warp Resist and Quell Speed are fine

[vestal fulcrum]

each stat is somewhat important, so you don't want any of them being low

[long wharf]

Illisi isn't a kill-everything-sword

it's a horde deleter, but you have to deal with the larger targets separately

[quasi junco]

yea

take deimos to delete elites and above

[lethal helm]

that’s what I came too

[ornate hamlet]

is quell speed important?

[vestal fulcrum]

It depends on how comfortable you are with quelling X amount of peril (the higher quell speed, the more peril you vent per tick)

[proven stirrup]

God I have an ogryn to level and I don't want to because of how slow they are

[lethal helm]

demios seems like a worse chainsword to me. what’s the advantages over that?

[ornate hamlet]

is 64 ok?

[gray jetty]

Illisi really only struggles with crushers

[quasi junco]

deimos has goated push attack into H2

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't know, again, that depends on how you are comfortable with it

[quasi junco]

and l1h2 combo

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn't want Quell Speed below 50 personally

[gray jetty]

H2 sending things straight to the floor will always be funny to me

[spice veldt]

the h2 deals 2x damage

and l1 deals 2.5x damage

[willow hazel]

The h2 one shots Ragers, it gets Uncanny, and it is more mobile

[gray jetty]

H2 also does stupid stagger

[lethal helm]

do you still charge it?

[spice veldt]

basically no

[lethal helm]

maybe that’s what I was doing wrong

[gray jetty]

H2 a crusher in the head and watch him slip on a banana peel

[lethal helm]

I’ll try it again

[quasi junco]

i only charge deimos for fast moving targets for the lock

[gray jetty]

Yeah it does so much damage that charging it aint worth it

Maybe for crushers

[lethal helm]

it’s a shame a lot of cool weapons have these empower effects but they are never that useful

[tired knoll]

h2 already knocks em on their asses

[lethal helm]

thanks for the help guys

[gray jetty]

Yeah but if you're looking to kill them

[junior needle]

Anyone keen to help get Malleus Monstronum? Happy to help with other redacted penances too

[vale vortex]

yes

i have a party of 3/4 for it right noiw

wanna help us?

my fs friend code is 7427504048

[junior needle]

keen

gotta work out how to use the code. I am not great with discord

[vale vortex]

i think we just filled

[junior needle]

all g

[vale vortex]

i can help you in a bit tho

[ornate hamlet]

The Fatshark code is used from the social menu in the game

[junior needle]

thanks

[patent wing]

hey guys im pretty new but im already lvl30 on psyker
how do you deal with bosses?
we cant kill them in 10 sec like ogryn or zeal i guess?

[ornate hamlet]

DS and knife pokes, gun headshots, brain burst, scrier's gaze

[patent wing]

ds?

[fresh reef]

feel like I dodged a bullet here tbh

[ornate hamlet]

Dueling sword

[fresh reef]

normal damnation and bro was shittalking stat bars

[ornate hamlet]

Me when the

[tame venture]

how important is gunner resist on psyker anyway?
they aren't usually the most common threat, but sometimes they just pin me down unreasonably

[vapid lichen]

what a team

[ornate hamlet]

SHOUTTE

The fucking elite aura tho

Why

[vapid lichen]

fuck i shouldve switched to gunker for crit

[ornate hamlet]

Why are people

[vapid lichen]

i saw the second psyker first and changed to elite to avoid stacking and then saw the other two with elite too lmfao

[quasi junco]

why did you leave? the bot?

[ornate hamlet]

YOU'RE ON THE LEFT

ELITE USER

ELITE USER

[wise pecan]

I usually just take gunner, sniper, and mutant resistance on every class

[thin nacelle]

https://imgur.com/a/1JxzkMh hmh wich of these 2 staves is the better one?

[ornate hamlet]

@spice veldt were you the one against gunner resist?

[orchid shadow]

Why Mutant? They're easy to avoid.

[spice veldt]

nah i'm for it

[ornate hamlet]

I think it was Pygex then

I vaguely remember someone being very adamant about not using it because of it not being good or something

[icy wyvern]

who needs damage resistance when you can just dodge

but if i was going to take damage resistance, flamer, bomber, and gunners would be it

Mostly because if I get snared by a trapper theres a 3/4 chance that a bomber or flamer is standing right next to me

[clear heath]

yeah i think it was pygex

personally i like gunner res

[icy wyvern]

mutant res would be for very specific maelstrom

Even then, they usually get whacked before doing any damage

[clear heath]

mutants don't even deal damage like 90% of the time

[icy wyvern]

their chief danger is launching your ass off the map

[clear heath]

they won't even slam you if your back is to a wall

[umbral helm]

the danger of mutants is less from themselves and more them combined with other things. mutant dragging you into fire, or mutant throwing you into a sniper shot you can't avoid. until recently, you'd still get melee'd while grabbed by them so often even just the couple seconds of being grabbed by one in a horde meant death via blender

they're a lot more forgiving now in general, though

[sonic summit]

why does block pushing with Psyker increase Peril?

[clear heath]

Or mutants clipping you out of the map like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1093035917628936222/mutant_stun.mp4?ex=65793906&is=6566c406&hm=78a9e898568ccc9d9416db9c58403c525fd8948d20d706f0decd90cc4b54a01a&

Actualy haven't had many mutant bugs lately

maybe they've gotten better

I have a bunch of old footage of people just phasing through walls from them

[full bane]

That’s only with the force sword

[sonic summit]

and it only does 1 damage with the force sword, but it's programmed to kill you

[fresh reef]

guy was complaining about an Ogryn's mobility stat, on a kickback

on standard damnation quickplay

gave off toxic vibes

[spice veldt]

just how they designed i suppose

a strong single-target stagger with a 10m range in exchange for peril

[sonic summit]

can it stagger ragers out of their combo attack?

[spice veldt]

ye

[clear heath]

it feels a little jank cause it's single target

[tired knoll]

it can knock a lot of stuff on their ass

[full bane]

mfs complaining about a stat that doesn’t matter on another persons weapon? That’s dumb, like really dumb

[spice veldt]

don't talk to me if you aren't running an 80% mobility weapon on both slots including your blitz

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[gusty furnace]

I've seen some fucked weapons thanks to this loadout mod that lets me inspect people's weapons in the pre-mission lobby.(Is that a vanilla function now?)

At no point have I thought to point it out to someone.

[clear heath]

it's vanilla now

[sonic summit]

my zealot's dagger is only 79% ;_;

[gusty furnace]

RNG loot acquisition sucks ass

there's zero explanation in game of what crits do

[tame venture]

It feels like mutants don't really much actual damage personally. If they kill me its because they ledged me or disrupted me from doing anything

[gusty furnace]

blessings are hidden until you earn them

[lethal lagoon]

That's what happens when there's no scoreboard. Toxic bad players can't fathom that they aren't carrying and get too big for their britches when in reality they are usually in last place.

[full bane]

Yeah that’s just a dick move

[gusty furnace]

I can't be bothered to complain to people when its fatshark's fault for this shitty loot situation

Fine, you want a revolver with trickshooter, crucian roulette, crit chance and crit damage?

Fuckin whatever

Not like Fatshark is gonna teach you any differently

[sonic summit]

i love trying to force unlock energizer IV on my vet with 12 different blessing slots

[fresh reef]

scoreboards should be for fun first, checking your own performance with different loadouts second, and being openly toxic towards your team never

[sonic summit]

can't even use a catagory of weapons because it's balanced behind a single blessing

[gusty furnace]

I love scoreboard

I get to see how consistent I am in real time

As in, after every match.

[lethal lagoon]

That's my point. They check their performance, realize they are actually shit, and then don't trash talk their team's gear choices. That said, they'd probably just quit after realizing they are shit, works either way.

[gusty furnace]

And basically, I'm as consistent as you could reasonably expect a human to be in a game like this

[fresh reef]

bro was complaining about a kickback's mobility stat while having a purgatus with 54% cloud radius
just felt the need to point that out

[gusty furnace]

Regular damnation fwiw doesn't do a great job of filtering. Which is fine, people need plasteel.

[lethal lagoon]

Fat shark what have you done to us by removeing the scoreboard, holy crap 😆

[gusty furnace]

Most teams are gonna be on fairly even spread of kills

[lethal lagoon]

That's some nuclear level lack of self-awareness.

[gusty furnace]

No, them removing the scoreboard is fine.

[quasi junco]

LOL

[gusty furnace]

People really did use it in VT2 to sow salt

Also, it promoted not playing as a team

[lethal lagoon]

vt2 was a different game 🤷‍♂️

[gusty furnace]

due to funny green circle chasing

[lethal lagoon]

I've never been beaten on the scoreboard by someone who also wasn't a better team player

In darktide

[fresh reef]

how is bro gonna be toxic while looking like this

[full bane]

I started playing a lot better when I stopped treating my scoreboard stuff like a race and just play the game

[fresh reef]

fuckin lmao

[clear heath]

idk, i didn't really get the impression that the dude was complaining about the ogryn in the clip.
Feels more like him going "damn that sucks bro"

[fresh reef]

he's got the 'I'm better than everyone' 'fit

[gusty furnace]

Oh, I don't look at the scoreboard at all in mission

I play the matches like it doesn't exist unless I notice someone else who is really good

Then it becomes a race

But mostly its just there for me to see my build's efficacy after the match

[full bane]

I could also benefit from not checking it during the mission so much

[fresh reef]

I wish there was a way to turn off the scoreboard in the post-match screen, or toggling it

I like seeing the team lineup of drip

[lethal lagoon]

That would be nice, I also liked seeing the team after a win.

[clear heath]

could try asking the mod maker about it

[fresh reef]

🙏

[wise pecan]

what else am i gonna put on there? pox hounds are even easier to avoid (and deal barely any actual damage anyways), corruption gain from bursters is nullified by vet's shout, toughness regen is useless, and last i checked grimoire corruption literally does nothing

sometimes i'm caught out of position by muties

[rigid rune]

Sniper or gunner resist would be more helpful yeah?

[wise pecan]

as a third i mean

i already have those two

[rigid rune]

Third is for ordo dockets

gotta get that mony

[strong gulch]

Just saw a psyker brain bursting a horde. They had purg but decided that BBing the horde in melee distance was the call. Like for most of the map.

[bleak tulip]

havent tried it but maybe hit F2

just turn the fuckin UI off

[wise pecan]

i wonder if they were going for the brain burst while on max warp charges penance and didn't realize that brain burst and warp charges interact differently now

[strong gulch]

No clue.

[orchid shadow]

Could do +toughness or combat ability cooldown. With enough toughness, a mutant grab won't even eat into your health if you get caught.

[lethal lagoon]

They could just be one of the older warhammer 40k fans who don't really understand what's going on.

Or a kid on gamepass.

[strong gulch]

They never said anything and were grossly incompetent in other ways.

[bleak tulip]

homie let his lil bro play

dont be toxic

[strong gulch]

OH good point

[lethal lagoon]

You know, kind of a good move. You seem like a good big brother, meanwhile you get free plasteel.

[wise pecan]

four additional toughness is even worse than mutie resist

[bleak tulip]

its not child labor if the child has fun

[lethal lagoon]

I wish I had a lil brother to farm dailies back in the day, I was jealous of my buddy who did.

He also farmed battlegrounds for him

[violet oak]

Did you politely offer them advice at any point?

Sometimes people are brainlets and a friendly nudge (and loan of a brain cell) goes a long way

[lethal lagoon]

They could google shit if they really wanted to

[strong gulch]

This is true. I didn't mention anything. There was no time tbh. There was someone being awful, and that took focus.

edit: by awful I mean the player was being controlling and toxic.

Not the spyker

[orchid shadow]

You can go several games without a mutant even touching you, and even then if you have good positioning, it'll just throw without a ground pound. +mutant is like +wound. It's not really needed.

[vale vortex]

@junior needle I'm down to help you get malleus monstronum. if you see me online in darktide just invite me

[quasi junco]

? Having at least 3 wounds is mandatory imo

[wise pecan]

same, if only to avoid the "you have one wound left" filter (yes i know about the mod)

[solar sand]

hmmm

oh look, more decent trauma staffs

[orchid shadow]

That's debatable. I stopped having +wound when when I left Heresy. And I'm a "meh" player and get by without it.

[quasi junco]

I like the safety net, especially cuz 2 of my 3 builds require edging peril. I blow up maybe once a mission

[topaz willow]

Is crucian roulette better for revolvers or is surgical the way to go? Both look pretty good

[lethal lagoon]

Surgical is much better.

[tame venture]

Have you tried not exploding?

Just, don't cast at 100%

[violet oak]

[willow hazel]

I feel like I never just aim for that long.

[lethal lagoon]

You don't really have to aim for that long to beat crucian most of the time.

[violet oak]

Just don't blow up

"i keep breaking my finger"
"how"
"I hit it with a hammer once a week"

[tame venture]

If you cast below 100% and it goes over you won't explode

[lethal lagoon]

Plus, you are going to be shooting shot 1,2,3, waaaay more than 4,5 which have the higher crit.

[topaz willow]

YEah now that I think about it .3 per second 10% crit chance looks obscenely good compared to crucian

[tame venture]

Like if I charge up a purge burst and let it go at 98% I'm good to finish it

[lethal lagoon]

You also don't wanna be in a situation where you are leaving your revolver half empty and suddenly need to reload in a bad time.

[tame venture]

Unless I cast a lmb or a Rmb at 100% I won't explode

[topaz willow]

Like you just get 10%-20% off the go

[tame venture]

Though sometimes I do throw out a full charged flamethrower if I know I have shriek ready to save my as

Because then I can use that to apply max fire dots on it too

[quasi junco]

Too hard, I’ll just explode and REEEEE until I get revived

[mighty cipher]

Too hard? Who wants to beat a sedition mission explosion only?

[quasi junco]

Sounds fun

[tame venture]

Psykers 🤝 plasma gunners
"Whoops I exploded"

[mighty cipher]

Or staff melee only

[zinc tartan]

I really like playing Smite.

[quasi junco]

At least my purg build has shriek if I go too crazy

[tame venture]

How make smite good

[mighty cipher]

Have good teammates

[tame venture]

EP bug is gone, but is it still preferable, or use charges?

[quasi junco]

Smite is great, for the one maybe two times it gets used on my Critstrike build

[violet oak]

Don't do what that guy is doing in the video

[mighty cipher]

Smite is the strongest CC effect in the game. Spam it. Literally don’t stop. Learn to swap to your staff to quell, and to quell hop.

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is for high density moments to set up a flaming shriek and set off a perilous combustion reaciton. If you overspam it, it doesn't do much. Your team is basically playing with 3 instead of 4 at that point.

The worst part about smite spam is it makes you feel like you are doing a lot(you aren't).

You also ruin high cleave weapons if you smite at the wrong time.

Now, if you are running with 3 dagger zealots or 3 melee vets with power swords, maybe smite spam is optimal? But it's largely not.

[quasi junco]

lol does smite even do anything to a monstrosity?

[proven stirrup]

Probably not

[violet oak]

it most definitely does not slow them down

But aside from that, the guy was smite spamming yet not supporting his team

[mighty cipher]

10% damage debuff, if you have a hammer zealot it might be useful if your own boss damage is garbage.

[quasi junco]

FS should buff smite let us perma stun monstrosities.

This would be our Billy club slap

[violet oak]

Smite is there to give you time and space to do something better. Smite is for keeping your team safe when they are getting overwhelmed. Not stunning and throwing a lone moebian trooper

[quasi junco]

I’d honestly rather blast the gonks than smite. But it’s useful on revives or people using data interrogators

[violet oak]

Everyone has their preferences, this was a response to the guy who asked about how to make smite good

[strong gulch]

I like it and I still knew it was your thumbnail without lookin gat the channel name.

[mighty cipher]

Smite is a supportive ability.

[fading iris]

Everything can be used as attack or support if you try hard enough including

[mighty cipher]

Wait, plasteel is a curio effect?

[proven stirrup]

Wait, what...?

[spice veldt]

nah it's just a gameslantern thing

[proven stirrup]

That means it should be there. Even if it's not implemented yet,

We should be able to put that shit on curios

Come on, fatshark

[quasi junco]

Maybe when we get red weapons

[proven stirrup]

I'd like to not look that far ahead of what's in front of us

[mighty cipher]

If they add another teir before they fix the economy I’m shooting every poxburster I see until they fix it.

[proven stirrup]

I don't even know what they could do anymore

But their turnaround is so slow they could do anything we've already suggested. But there's no way to know if they will

[spice veldt]

rebalancing the ratios if nothing else

[proven stirrup]

They tried that like 3 times

Clearly that's not going to work coming from them

[spice veldt]

consecration uses more plasteel-to-diamantine, and reblessing/refining uses more diamantine-to-plasteel

but the problem is that consecration costs more than reblessing/refining in flat values anyways

it's just a numerical tweak so at least that's easy(?) to do

[proven stirrup]

It really just should be the other way around

Like literally

that's all they need to do is invert that pattern

[spice veldt]

the pro move is to play uprising

[tame venture]

...how exactly does transfer peril work on trauma force?

does it only work on the LMB fire?

[spice veldt]

it works by not working

yeah only LMB

[tame venture]

😂

[spice veldt]

or if you proc kinetic flayer on the RMB

[mighty cipher]

Kinetic flayer is an amazing talent and I refuse to hear otherwise.

[quasi junco]

It’s garbage

Lower the CD to 5

[mighty cipher]

Okay that would be busted

[viscid matrix]

until it activates every 15s and only hits the trash mobs

[tame venture]

10 then?

[quasi junco]

It’s like that zealot talent that knocks back attackers

[spice veldt]

it was terrible back in patch 12 for damage and it's still terrible nowadays

but it's 1/30th of your build nowadays so live your life i suppose

[mighty cipher]

10 would be nice. But when it comes in clutch it really comes in clutch. It’s also really funny to supercrit with the staff melee.

[spice veldt]

and the fact that it's probablistic doesn't help it with regards to synergy with slow-fire rate weapons

[quasi junco]

They should just make flayer only trigger on elites/specials

Boom greatness

[mighty cipher]

That unironically would be a fantastic change.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it was fineish that it triggered on mobs before because it gave a warp stack, but without that utility, that's just a huge negative.

[grand shoal]

what stats for a surge staff, crit i guess?

[zinc tartan]

I was sharing the fun I had doing it. Seeing all those enemies locked down then shrieking on them was fun.

[potent echo]

Damage crit charge

[echo turtle]

If you already take brain burst, it's a solid extra point.

I would estimate it adds 20+30k.of elite damage per game for me.

However, for most builds, brain burst doesn't offer you very much and you can get more mileage from a single point into smite so long as you use the ability where appropriate

[fair rover]

dunno why my audio cuts out but this is what i usually run

[spiral mist]

Are the best perks for laspistol crit chance and unyielding?

[proven stirrup]

I like the laspistol but the only thing I dont like is the weird lasgun ammo readout nonsense

I get that it's meant to enact battery vibes but fuck that, proper number of shots per "mag" please.

[kind jay]

sounds like it'd be a neat mod idea

[coarse tartan]

uhh can i do anything with this

[potent echo]

3/4 blaze trauma is still fine

[patent hatch]

You can run crit/blaze on it easily

[coarse tartan]

does surge even work with trauma?

[strong gulch]

Replace surge with warp nexus.

[potent echo]

Only lmb

[coarse tartan]

aha

[potent echo]

So no

[coarse tartan]

nice

imma try blaze then

[strong gulch]

Put flak on as one of the perks

[potent echo]

Surge > nexus
10% > flak

Infested is kinda okay since it affects burn damage poxwalkers

[strong gulch]

Also maybe kill dogs faster

[potent echo]

Kills pox bursters dead-er

I still don't know why barrels don't trigger bursters

Devs trolling us

[past brook]

I've just noticed something funky about the mk4 dueling sword stab attacks
if I may use chiv parlance here, the alt stab coming from the left not only comes out faster, but seems to have a much longer active damage window where you can drag the attack to hit the enemy if you don't hit them on the first tick
heavy 1 coming from the right doesn't have nearly as long a window, you have to be right on the money the moment it lands

[south gull]

I honestly dont even know what to use with psyker'

[potent echo]

Staff goes pewpew

Generally I would say
Trauma/voidstrike : slow but impactful powerhouses, take shield dome
Surge/purg : stormtrooper and reactive, take venting creep

[harsh urchin]

Take whatever you want lol

Vent and shield are generically good enough that you can use them with any weapon

[severe folio]

i had an odd dream

i was reading a manga about a girl who was followed around by a prince of the country

[south gull]

especially on melee\

[severe folio]

she doesnt like it, but one day the prince was wounded by something, and she triedto save him

he turn into a big fish, she rode the fish as it escape the country

[ashen schooner]

sounds like a pretty standard manga so far

[long wharf]

after a little thought - a psyker fanning a revolver doesn't make much sense

maybe for the zealot or veteran

[jagged crane]

is "pick n' mix" supposed to be broken or something? i get 4 head pops but dont get the penance, or is it supposed to be 4 different elites so i cannot just pop 4 shotgunners or w/e?

[ashen schooner]

wouldn't surprise me if it still had to be done with old non-upgraded brain burst

[mighty cipher]

When in doubt, Illisi MKV. It’s intrinsically synergistic with the class and really easy to use. For defensive purposes make sure you have deflector.

[jagged crane]

@ashen schooner that would suck if that was the case.. casue i built for pops with faster popping when useing scream and the keystones for faster/more powerful pops too

[ornate hamlet]

Indeed

One of the stabs you can drag to the enemy

Though I think it only hits once anyway

Makes me guess that each attack starts with a cleave counter that is decremented in that window

[coarse tartan]

is there a wayh to see how much dmg my soulblaze did? in scoreboard mod

[ornate hamlet]

So you get 6 cleave, hit an enemy with 2 mass and your remaining cleave during the attack window is 4

Methinks

[sour bison]

lol melk

[tall mango]

please my beloved give me good rolls

[untold niche]

is it bad i never smite on my voidstaff build?

[ashen schooner]

maybe? if you find you never need it kind of a waste of points

[digital narwhal]

Never

[coarse tartan]

what blessings do we want on illisi

for horde clear

[severe folio]

Uncanny

Slaughterer ?

[crude zodiac]

psyker still has toughness taletns that don't work...

[worn canopy]

Seems so.

[severe folio]

which one

which talent ?

[severe folio]

uncanny slaughterer

[severe folio]

which one ?

[crude zodiac]

I know the one directly below "solidity" doesn't for sure

[severe folio]

interesting

[lethal lagoon]

What?

[severe folio]

it works for me

i receive the toughness addition

[crude zodiac]

I still have 105(meant 90) even after using it

[lethal lagoon]

Are you testing in the psych? Sometmes it updates slow.

But it absolutely works

[tall mango]

[severe folio]

i test it in the psych and it gave me additional

it could be lag on your end

[tall mango]

praying my last blessing is good

[lethal lagoon]

If your last blessing isn't flurry, you can try running a carpace, unyielding surge staff. I've been enjoying it.

Covers bosses, crushers, most of bulwark and reaper.

[tall mango]

Ive got an illisi sword forthe rest

[crude zodiac]

In a mission

[severe folio]

wellthen maybe you have your max total toughness inaccurately

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe math is wrong, you are wearing different curios than you think, but it definitely works.

[crude zodiac]

Don't have any toughness curios

[severe folio]

not even toughness perks on your curios ?

[crude zodiac]

Nope

[severe folio]

hm

can you ss the build

have you try removing that node and see how much toughness you have

[crude zodiac]

Huh, after restarting the game I have more than 90(sorry meant 90 not 105) again

[severe folio]

i see

[silk hawk]

i tested that shit and i can confirm that without that train your RMB smite affects at least 6 targets less

[crude zodiac]

What does it mean by "jumps"?

[silk hawk]

i have no clue what FS meant by that, but

i just used skill with and without and checking how many targets in psyk it affects

[tall mango]

the jumps are when they go from enemy 1 to enemy 2

[silk hawk]

just during day time someone said to me that the trait almost do not affect RMB of smite

[tall mango]

I miss infinite smite

[coarse tartan]

ty

[silk hawk]

which was not true at all

[tall mango]

Im the only one who truly knows smite

[rustic oak]

Are we allowed to discuss psyker penances in this channel?

[lunar hollow]

go for it

[rustic oak]

Any tips for the cliffhanger penance

For psyker

[severe folio]

yeah lightning storm does seem to affect RMB

[lethal lagoon]

I have literally never used smite and not hit everything on the map. And I only use smite on Auric mael when it's basically maximum density. 🤷‍♂️

[rustic oak]

Alright

I’ll try that

[severe folio]

It does seem to affect RMB

it does affect RMB

[lethal lagoon]

I've tested it quite a bit on psych and did not see a difference

And in-game, I've never "run out" of smite rmb chains

[long wharf]

well? don't leave us hanging

[severe folio]

i set up a long hula line of enemy with each of them quite distance

[long wharf]

show us the brick

[severe folio]

and see how far does smite jump

well, how much more enemies it jump to

without lightning storm the charge hit about 6 and with lightning storm it link up to 8

the catch is that if i line the enemy horizon for me

the jump dont happen and i smite 3 enemies straight from my hand

the smite jump is weird

[tall mango]

i’m getting plasteel shutit

[long wharf]

you incur Hadron's wrath when you don't upgrade all at once

praise the Omnissiah

[lethal lagoon]

Hadron's actually secretly a heretic and quite lazy. She hate's people who bulk upgrade.

[severe folio]

heretek

[long wharf]

calling her lazy is grounds enough for being turned into a servo-skull

calling her a heretek on top of that, well, seriously unwise

[untold niche]

but uh i also wont use BB or assail anyway :v

[half iron]

hadron stole all my plasteel

[subtle tulip]

forever plasteel starved

[untold niche]

time 2 farm plasteel

[surreal eagle]

I just use smite when some one gets downed or when sh*t hits the fan

[subtle tulip]

I use Smite when someone just finish popping their aoe stun, like zealot flash or their relic thingy

[wild sage]

Trauma staff knockback can also award you the penance, that's how I got it despite never trying for it, on chasm station the big dropdown in the third to last room where they spawn on top of the big car.

[coarse tartan]

im blasting hard with my new blaze trauma staff

hell yeah

[half iron]

illisi is a cute sword

[mighty fractal]

I swear every time I play Purg

I just want to go back to Trauma

Not having on-demand CC hurts on Auric

[half iron]

i will not take any purg hate in this channel

[mighty fractal]

I don't hate it

[spice veldt]

purg lmb not good nuff?

[mighty fractal]

I just don't like it as much as Trauma

[terse saffron]

more like poopgatus

[ripe yacht]

Did docket gain get nerfed? Feels like I'm earning less…

[half iron]

doesn’t matter go to the corpse starch favtory and become corpse starch

[mighty fractal]

I DON'T EVEN HATE IT YA DOLT!!!

But yeah it's fun in a mindless way

Trauma assblasting everything onto its face > purg puff

[subtle tulip]

Trauma does have a charm to it, knocking things around is fun

[half iron]

trauma could be cool but it’s not blue fire. fire that is blue. blue fire

[mighty fractal]

It sets things on blue fire with Blazing!

that's why blaze trauma is the only way to play trauma

[subtle tulip]

never tried that

I'll give it a spin, share the build pls?

[mighty fractal]

You just build it as a regular Trauma (Perks: Crit/Flak) and then your blessings are Blazing Spirit and Warp Nexus

Shriek or Shield are both good for ults

[urban sandal]

you kinda need a pretty good roll on a trauma for it, crit chance/flak, blazing spirit and warp nexus, high damage/radius/charge speed

[subtle tulip]

what would be a good blitz for it?

[mighty fractal]

BB

Smite can work for reasons I'll list after this game

[urban sandal]

bb is probably best since you'll have no way to kill things like snipers and gunners otherwise

[spice veldt]

lmb

[urban sandal]

then you knock them around and make them hide

sure it stops them from killing you right then and there but they're still around

[subtle tulip]

fair enough, I'll give the build a run

[mighty fractal]

If you take True Aim and Smite, you can quickly build up a guaranteed hit for your Trauma soulblaze

[raw idol]

I'm a beginner to Purgatus. Do you full-charge RMB, or do partial charged attacks? And do I concentrate the flame in one direction, or wave it around to give everyone a bit of fire?

[subtle tulip]

huh... interesting

[mighty fractal]

but generally, you want to take BB so you can handle gunners who hide behind cover

and trappers/dogs who run away

[waxen abyss]

“Quickly” can involve like 3+ RMB smites

Not a fan of smite true strike for trauma staff

But maybe I just haven’t given it a fair shake.

[lethal lagoon]

Smite should generate a crit basically using it once?

I don't get what you mean.

[subtle tulip]

I only got 30 on psyker recently, so I'm still trying out stuff

[lethal lagoon]

Unless like you use it on like 3 enemies

[waxen abyss]

When I tried it out once in paykanium felt like it was really rng getting 5 true strike stacks

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure you properly represented the enemy density of a normal smite usage in an auric?

Anyways, smite trauma has too much crossover so meh

[waxen abyss]

No

[lethal lagoon]

those extra points into true aim isn't worth it.

But for surge staff, which also multihits a single target, definitely noice.

[waxen abyss]

I just kinda estimated how it would feel hitting a few and felt like there was a big variation on procs

I must be wrong

[spice veldt]

snipers are easily dinked and trauma has a 20m maximum flat range which adequate for gunners

[severe folio]

half charge will be fine, but when you can fully charge in a very short time with warp flurry then sure, but generally we dont full charge. we just dont make too short charge

[spice veldt]

unless you're running something like 90 tough and w/o gunner res and you're not spamming dodges, you should have no problems engaging with gunners with the trauma

[urban sandal]

yeah I run all sniper res over gunner on my psyker so gunners and reapers are pre scary when out of trauma range

[lethal lagoon]

left click nukes gunners

[untold widget]

I generally stick to melee weak spots to clear random trash to generate my true aim, and then I can whip out the void and quickcharge a guaranteed crit against a gunner or shotgunner patrol. Smite is most reliable at stack generation with a horde, does it in about a second and a half

or trauma

[mighty fractal]

Yeah I hate to be that guy

but after swapping back and forth between purg and trauma

I just can't see many reasons to bring a purg over a trauma other than if you really like the purg

[ripe yacht]

…I don't like Trauma. 😄

[subtle tulip]

I'm going to use both, so I don't really care

[half iron]

i’m more of a stub guy myself. the coolest staff.

[mighty fractal]

Blaze Trauma spreads fire almost as well and has way more CC for armor elites

[ripe yacht]

What are the desired perks on a dueling sword?

Maniac & …?

Crit chance? Flak? Carapace?

[urban sandal]

unyielding or flak depending on what you normally use it for

[ripe yacht]

Singleton damage. Monstrosities, muties, ragers, crushers, maulers…

[analog agate]

Maniac for that sweet mutie one shot

[urban sandal]

probably unyielding

the high mobility makes dueling sword great for bosses so reducing the time to kill on them helps a shit load

[ripe yacht]

Thank you kindly 🙂

[calm violet]

I had a friend mention you can animation cancel assail to throw faster using quell? How do this?

[ripe yacht]

Vibe check. Reroll precog or swap both perks?

[ornate hamlet]

Precog to uncanny strike and groaners to uhhhh idk

[coarse tartan]

trauma feels so good

my favorite staff so far

[severe folio]

groaner to maniac or unyielding

[chrome dust]

What would you say the best overall force sword is?

[mighty fractal]

Depends on what you need

Horde Clear = Illisi with heavy chains
Single Target = Deimos

[mighty fractal]

It does just about everything you'd want it to do: horde clear (especially with Blaze), rending (if you build for it), mass CC, decent LMB for low damage but accurate midrange sniping

[crude cape]

question, bc ive always assumed it works, it feels like it does, but ive never tested it.
couple shots knocking down a crusher with rending shockwave Trauma staff-> swap to melee to finish them off works and makes it easier to dmg them with your melee, right?
Or does the brittleness debuff on the mob cancel when you swap off the staff?

[mighty fractal]

The learning curve is managing its steep Peril cost

And the intricacies of the AoE

If you haven't played Sienna's Conflagration staff in Vermintide, it's going to feel awkward

[crude cape]

the goat. with a warp siphon build on the melee only, scab only maelstrom modifier with the HUGE elite packs, its so fucking fun lol

pew pew time

you can just solo carry that mode

[sterile grove]

The staff blessings is bugging me

[mighty fractal]

Oh yeah you want to run Trauma with Warp Siphon

[sterile grove]

You're telling me if I want to switch a blessing on a staff it has to be the same type of staff

I cant transfer my purg blessing on my void blessing despite both literally use the same blessings as well as both being staffs

[crude cape]

ya staffs get cucked kinda compared to other weapon types on blessing sharing lol

[sterile grove]

It's

So

DUMB

Why did they make that intentional

Are staffs that op

[wind halo]

Player engagement goes up

[sterile grove]

Fair enough

Still annoys me

Now I gotta hope that melk sells a void staff with a good t4 blessing

[wind halo]

Thats why I made two Psykers

To farm Melk T4s

[wind halo]

Definitely Deimos, since you can horde clear and single target with it, decent on the first strong on the latter

[sterile grove]

Blessings transfers ?

Or am I wrong

[wind halo]

Not for Staff

[sterile grove]

Okay

[wind halo]

But you can earn blessing on one character and it will unlock for whole account

Just that each staff has its own set of Blessings

[crude cape]

Whats your guys favorite talent build right now to make surge staff work

what blitz, ult, keystone?

[wind halo]

Smite + Crit Chance + Warp Charge is my build

Surge + Illsi

[crude cape]

venting shriek?

for the flame + smite combo?

[wind halo]

I have Bubble

Crit Chance you can't get Shriek

[crude cape]

ah right

why crit chance

instead of seers

[sterile grove]

That's what I'm asking, so you're telling me if you earn a blessing from one psyker, you can use that blessing to rebless a weapon on the other psyker slot?

[crude cape]

and are you using true aim

not sure true aim makes sense i guess, nothing really hits weakspots but illisi with smite + bubble and surge

[untold widget]

knife, Assail, Seers aura, Vent flames, and Warp siphon. Assail for long distance RMB sniping specials, vent flames for horde clear, Warp siphon for damage breakpoints and knife for material collection

[tiny saffron]

if i buy a surge staff with the surge blessing can i take it off and put it on a voidstrike staff?

[untold widget]

surge staff doesnt get surge blessing

only voidstrike

[tiny saffron]

trauma force staff i meant

[untold widget]

we don't talk about trauma

[sterile grove]

If you scroll up you'll get your answer

[untold widget]

staff blessings don't transfer and surge was a mistake to put on Trauma

[spice veldt]

all of the staffs belong to different families so no

[sterile grove]

If you're not gonna do that

No

You can only use that blessing on the same type of Staff

[crude cape]

trauma is goated 😛

[tiny saffron]

OOF

Damn i was hoping to finally land surge on my voidstaff, i guess now

not*

[sterile grove]

It's dumb I know

Having to grind damnations for money and plasteel

[untold widget]

I got mine with crafting, and I only needed to make 46 staves to get enough at 365+ to consecrate to orange

what else would you grind?

[crude cape]

is flak maniac preferred on laspistol.
or is a +5% crit perk good (crit build w/ scriers)

[sterile grove]

Always gonna be broke on the plasteel

💪

[half iron]

only real convicts are low on plasteel

[echo turtle]

I've been using some variations of creeping flame shriek, scriers etc

Right now I am using vent with disrupt Destiny, when the stacks are up the crits are really deadly

DD gives you huge crit and weakspot bonus, which the surge benefits from a lot.

The trick is actually keeping the stacks up, so now I am trying it with shriek on with the cooldown skill and aura with wildfire to try and assist in keeping the DD stacks up as much as possible

As a bonus, the skills also make your melee weapon real strong

[crude cape]

skriers + a staff doesnt make a lot of sense to me

but ive never paired DD with a staff

[echo turtle]

It's awkward but it works

[crude cape]

that actually sounds pretty sweet

[echo turtle]

Scriers and surge is like a 70% crit chance

But, I found it awkward, so I have gone back to vent

[spice veldt]

i run assail so i'm fine with always taking DD

[crude cape]

you cant really cast the staff with skriers lol

[spice veldt]

i basically just end scrier's as early as I can when using a staff

[echo turtle]

You keep the bonus for 10s after, you you cast a few, quell cast quell

[crude cape]

sorry sitting akwardly cant type lol

[echo turtle]

Let it hit 100 and quell then spam

[spice veldt]

death

[echo turtle]

It's really strong, but awkward

It's viable tho, but I would recommend shrieking flames and DD or warp siphon

[unkempt light]

I should try that. I paired my DD Psyker with a Voidstrike Staff and Assail.

[echo turtle]

I take smite, as it helps you get away from a sudden spawn that you cant otherwise deal with

It is a very large damage bonus for the surge, as it gives a large crit modifier, and your surge should be around 40% crit chance most of the time

It would also significantly increase the power of a bloodthirsty illisi

[unkempt light]

So Surge is in a good place again? I remember something about it not aiming for Weakspots prior to the current hotfix.

[echo turtle]

It's always been strong if you build it right

I just finished a game and had 250k damage more than the next highest pkayer

[plucky flax]

Surge is usable but still has a bug.

[crude cape]

mid laspistol i know lol....out of resources been wanting to try one and its what i got.
should i change carapace -> flak, manaic or 5% crit?

[unkempt light]

I think I paired my Surge up with Smite + Wall Shield, so

[echo turtle]

You want to go vent

Surge and shield is like peanut butter and maynaise

It pairs poorly

[crude cape]

unless you're rocking it with assail maybe

[unkempt light]

I use Vent for my Purgatus, IIRC.

[crude cape]

if you're using smite and surge than i also like vent i feel

[lethal lagoon]

Surge, Flaming Shriek, Smite, True aim, 🙂

Absolutely solid

There is some variability, but I mean if you are only running aurics, then what does it matter if you one shot a shotgunner, just hit the one next to it and the offshoot will kill it eventually 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt light]

I've got True Aim on my Voidstrike since it has the Surge Blessing, but gotcha.

[lethal lagoon]

Ohhh surge blessing

Get's me everytime lmao

[unkempt light]

No, no, you got it right the first time. I was talking about Surge Staff initially lol

[lethal lagoon]

So got me twice now

[unkempt light]

Mb 😔

[lethal lagoon]

I had a whole convo with someone thinking he was talking about surge staff when he meant void with surge

Got so confused

[crude cape]

why true aim if surge hitting weakpoint is very random (can it even?)

[lethal lagoon]

Surge does multiple hits per shot

Little minis followed by the big one

Watch the damage counter.

[unkempt light]

And because True Aim procs on Melee Attacks too

So just charge up your Illisi and aim for the head with a Heavy

[lethal lagoon]

Smite on a group will grant true aim instantly too, but no crits, so it's ready for your surge

Or void

[subtle tulip]

thoughts about the dome?

[lethal lagoon]

And yes, it both weakspots and give extra damage.

[subtle tulip]

I feel like its only good on certain maps and terrible in everything else

[lethal lagoon]

OP, but it's ultimately a horde game. The answer to any problem is more dps.

[unkempt light]

I like it a lot and it's still great.

But I need to taze Mutants and Hounds more than I need extra Toughness regen and comprehensive protection against shooters.

[crude cape]

how you guys building illisi these days. been a dueling sword stan since patch 13.
is slaughterer + unstable still the play? been seeing more people go for uncanny or other things too

[unkempt light]

I'm a lunatic so I have Deflector on mine, I can't remember the other Blessing I had on it.

[subtle tulip]

Yeah I was thinking of shifting to venting shriek

[crude cape]

ya deflector always been solid

[lethal lagoon]

I like slaughter uncanny

That way I can put it on any build pretty much.

[unkempt light]

Ye. It's no Slab Shield, but sometimes you just need a second or two of blocking shots to get to cover or within stabbing distance of the shooters.

[lethal lagoon]

I remember when the Illy came out, there was a bug where deflector was innate.

Man that was so nice.

It felt like the sword was meant to be this way

Especially since it's literally a force shield.

deflector should just reduce cost.

[wind halo]

Yes

[lethal lagoon]

Blessings are class wide and weapon type wide, it's nice for getting some of the unique tier 2 blessings if you wanna play around.

Also nice if you wanna level with your friends

[crude cape]

no one used to use uncanny on illy, but ya ive been seeing more and more. When is it good? is it noticeable vs crushers etc?

[unkempt light]

It really does, yeah. You're a Space Wizard, blocking gunfire ala Neo should be your schtick

[wind halo]

Seers does nothing for Surge, I took Crit Chance to maximise chance to crit which makes Surge good

I hardly take Seers on any build now that I think about it

[lethal lagoon]

Crit chance is more mathematically impactful on weapons with lower crit chance actually. Otherwise, it's questionable.

That said, more crit never hurt anybody, except heretics.

[wind halo]

I'm not taking Scrier's Gaze so Crit is useful to me

[lethal lagoon]

Makes illy more of a viable alternative to mk4 in facing crushers and stuff yeah

I mean mk4 is still the clear meta for psyker honestly.

But illy has it's place.

Not to mention the horde clear of course.

[crude cape]

BIG mk4 stan

[wind halo]

Need Warp Cycler for Illsi

Fatshark when

[crude cape]

but when not using a hordeclear staff, it struggles vs lots of zombies

[lethal lagoon]

Shred 🙂

[tame venture]

honestly, i'm addicted to using the combat blade on psyker

[wind halo]

5 Stacks of Shred, then you hit empty air it turns to 0 stacks

[crude cape]

i have a really nice mk4 with blessings setup i can swap precog to w/e i want and leave uncanny. I could try shred, i was using reposte for a while and idk precog felt better dueling big boys. Maybe its hurting me vs hordes but im not sure crit would help THAT much, it just cant hit many targets. rampage feels awful too bc it hardly procs on the mk4

[tame venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1179946598403424376/image.png?ex=657ba1e7&is=65692ce7&hm=210f39d185d58823be529cd6f9a41ea763dd6d36c40b0db2f580e8c8a0134600&=&format=webp&width=1295&height=542

[crude cape]

i am on zealot, but not other classes

[tame venture]

i feel so lucky that i got this guy on my first attempt

[lethal lagoon]

Dagger zoomies are fun, but I leave dagger for my zealot since that's the only weapon I like on it.

[crude cape]

uncanny + precog for me on zealot knife, thing shreds

[lethal lagoon]

I've tried everything and it all felt meh.

Unless you are running a martyr build and playing at low health the whole game, but dagger is still great on that.

[tame venture]

that said, aside from heavy spam for movement, any tips or suggestions on using the knife?

[lethal lagoon]

For psyker? Block attk

We have basically infinite block atks

[tame venture]

i mean

any melee you push enemies

[lethal lagoon]

Huh? No I mean block atk is effective damage

Nice little quick head slash

[tame venture]

?

aside from pushing things it doesn't really do damage

[lethal lagoon]

Bro I'm so confused, you understand you can do a block atk right?

[tame venture]

the push yeah

[lethal lagoon]

No, the atk

Like an actual atk

[sterile grove]

Damn

[tame venture]

wait, that jank as hell push->light melee thing?

[sterile grove]

Time to make a sienna slot

[tame venture]

trying that just screws up momentum or doesn't register that that's what i wanted to do

[lethal lagoon]

It's very strong on dagger and it's like 50% of the reason pyskers use daggers, cause they get endless block atks.

[tame venture]

pretty much no weapon does anything useful with it

and it feels a good bit slower than just heavy attacks

[glossy ember]

dagger's push attack is strong af

[lethal lagoon]

I would almost say don't use dagger on psyker if you aren't going to push attack.

I mean of course, do whatever you want, it's a fairly casual game

But you get my point.

[tame venture]

the few times i tried using the push attack it really didn't do much that clicking heads and normal movement

the dagger being such a good movement tool is handy for me, as i have it on a purge build that needs good positioning

[echo turtle]

Yo, if you haven't tried shriek with disrupt destiny, I feel like the damage is pretty wild and you may like it with how you run your surge

[half iron]

i’ve been using the illisi more since a skin magically appeared on hallowette’s hoard. it’s a cute skin

[glossy ember]

can't make use of finesse though for surge staff right

[echo turtle]

I dunno, it does hit weakspot

But you can make use of the crit damage

[glossy ember]

ive never tried DD tho

[glossy ember]

only if you dont crit

[echo turtle]

At 15 stacks, that is 15% damage and 30% crit

[glossy ember]

not sure if that would help with breakpoints will try thi

[echo turtle]

You crit like 40% when at high peril

It also makes your melee real srtong

[mighty cipher]

Don’t forget the finesse

[echo turtle]

Dunno how often that comes into play with surge

[wind halo]

How does Warp Nexus scale with Peril? Do you get max Crit Chance at 80% Peril?

[echo turtle]

But it helps the illisi a lot

[mighty cipher]

It doesn’t help with surge but if you want to OHKO a line of reapers with the void strike staff you can

And Assail

Jesus Christ it makes assail potent

[severe folio]

the moebian parade ?

[half iron]

yes🥺

[severe folio]

very nice choice

it feels like a dueling sword to me

closest look to a force dueling sword

[half iron]

i like the handle. makes me feel like a pirate

[severe folio]

and the red color is vibrant

[eager sluice]

YARR!!

[severe folio]

i wish i could change my psyker outfit colors

into that red

[half iron]

i also like the moebian knife jane hallowette had in her store earlier, or still does

[severe folio]

i believe the knife is still there

[half iron]

i want not-slaanesh pink

[severe folio]

and that oddly looking, duelist gun

with a duelist grip for gun

[half iron]

duellist gun is very cute

[tame venture]

that duelist gun is unironicly ugly though

[severe folio]

i cant quite puta gripe on it

literally

[half iron]

you. corpse-starch factory.

[severe folio]

but its definitely looks like something that only noble would own

so its perfect as a rogue trader loot

[half iron]

my psyker is the most noblest noble psyker ever

[severe folio]

do people keep a meme profile on their phone to send out at any given time

[eager sluice]

I'm on my PC sorry lol

[severe folio]

i assume you have that rogue trader golden coat

[tame venture]

mine is an angry crackhead

[half iron]

which one? i can’t check rn sowwy

[tame venture]

which is why i love the dagger for zoomies

[crude cape]

stop i feel attacked

[half iron]

hey i love the skin too

[wind halo]

Wait where did the hilt guard go

[half iron]

all i need is the blade to be big and curved

[plucky flax]

You're using weapon customisation mod?

[wind halo]

yeap

[plucky flax]

Have to put it on yourself.

[crude cape]

i see it

when equipped ya

[surreal eagle]

That's a pretty big sword you got there

[severe folio]

doesnt look different from my psyker

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-girl-eyebrows-gif-25755293

[severe folio]

the krieg coat really have the best neutral form after all

[half iron]

i like the krieg coat

[severe folio]

it doesnt feel thick and the length seem right

[half iron]

though i prefer that one brown/red leather coat. would prefer it even more if the coattail physics started higher up

[severe folio]

are you using that yellow legging from killing pox with BB

[half iron]

i’m using one of the pants with the leg brace. i switch between the black leather or the black/white splinter pattern

the black/white splinter pattern pants, i believe, came from the first bundle. it came with the dome collar too. i love the dome collar

[severe folio]

nice

im trying to find a different headpiece to wear

[wind halo]

lol some of the blade types in the weapon cust mod are huge

[severe folio]

prob gonna try to get power-up and grab the headpiece with the metal blindfold

[wind halo]

like 1.5x the length of default

[half iron]

i switch between the dome collar or the brass-ish collar

[severe folio]

that is their default length

Do you know why Vero

they're orgyn pieces lol

[half iron]

i like collars. psyker collars to be specific

[wind halo]

longer reach = gameplay advantage ez

[severe folio]

i have the first cosmetic piece when darktide just came out

from the commodore

the one with the white top

[wind halo]

[severe folio]

yeah, those gigantic blades are orgyn's cleavers

[half iron]

yesss that bundle

i like it except for the oversized oven mitts on the top

[severe folio]

its a nice bundle

the head piece pair with heavier look give off an astronaut vibe

[half iron]

among us

[severe folio]

maybe one day they'll make an actual big helmet

but i dont have to worry about no collar psykers

every top piece has collar

[half iron]

i need more collars. big collars

[severe folio]

i wish we had a better looking gas mask than the one we got

the first bundle has a good top, but i had hope it didnt have exposed arms

feels like an armored up prison shirt

[half iron]

i would use scrier’s gaze to rip off my sleeves.

[severe folio]

dont do that

krieg coat is valuable

[lethal lagoon]

DD is super fun on surge, but it's still a buggy ability.

I had a game recently where the stacks just vanished and never came back, I couldn't build them anymore.

I still got the DD buff, but no stack

[glossy ember]

wtf

[severe folio]

hm

[lethal lagoon]

The DD buff as in the quick few second one that gives you movement spd and stuff

[severe folio]

interesting

[lethal lagoon]

There is a pretty huge advantage though, given that true aim on surge leaves you a bit hungry for points.

[severe folio]

very unfortunately

[lethal lagoon]

If you just go into DD, you save a lot

I wish it wasn't such an awkward ability.

[severe folio]

since its only comparable to warp siphon, which only gain up to 6 stacks, and can be gain in so many way

it can be seen to be rather awkward

[compact bluff]

this happens to me occasionally too. i get this bug with scrier's stacks as well, but its been happening less and less since patch 13

[severe folio]

not to mention 6 stacks of warp charges decay so slow while DD goes off all at once

[fluid knot]

Can keep DD up relatively easy with Surge by using the LMB attack an your average trash highlight

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it's definitely rare, but having a good portion of your build invalidated for a game is just a bit silly.

[fluid knot]

Do wanna be taking the the 30s duration node tho

[lethal lagoon]

Absolutely.

Getting 30 stacks and more importantly, keeping them might as well be a penance.

It's just not happening unless you are in a pre-made speedrunning.

[compact bluff]

ive noticed it doesnt stop working for the entire game, just randomly breaks and takes a bit to fix itself

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. its exceptionally difficult to do consistently

[compact bluff]

anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes from when its happened to me at least

[lethal lagoon]

I've hit 30, but it's usually followed by an elevator, a lul in enemies, etc.

I had it go on for half a match

[fluid knot]

30s should have been the center node imo, because there is pretty much no reason to take the increased stacks node most of the time

[severe folio]

you say that they might actually make it a penance

[lethal lagoon]

Keep 30 DD stacks for 5 minutes

[fluid knot]

It would be less bogus than suiciding for kills

Fuckin Out with a Bang used to be so toxic

[lethal lagoon]

They don't even have to put up a real reward for it because literally no one will get it.

[severe folio]

keep 30 DD stacks for 30 seconds while killing 5 elite unit with BB

[wind halo]

Does anyone use Voidstrike with DD?

[lethal lagoon]

I tried

[severe folio]

I use voidstrike with DD

[wind halo]

Logic is since it pierces you can hit your marked target easier

[severe folio]

well

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike is too slow, it only works well if your team is ass.

For DD

[severe folio]

the logic is that it can hit the weakspots

which means it takes full benefits of DD

unlike the rest of the staff

[wind halo]

What's the logic of Surge with DD though?

[fluid knot]

Yeah sadly due to the projectile having to charge and having travel time its not ideal

[severe folio]

Surge can hit weakspot

[wind halo]

Isnt it random

[fluid knot]

The LMB attack is instant too

[lethal lagoon]

Half the surge's benefit is that it instantly one-shots bruisers and ranged mobs.

Voidstrike is for setting up bowling alleys, which is the opposite of DD.

[fluid knot]

It doesnt need to be charged, so you still have range, and instant accuracy, even if you do have to deal with travel time

[lethal lagoon]

DD hurts your DPS way too much on void simply because of getting those kills wastes so much time

[severe folio]

would be nice to have the thorn staff

another type of staff with aiming mechanic

like voidstrike

[unkempt light]

I will have to put out my Psyker Builds later and ask y'all for ideas.

[fluid knot]

Void is so good anyway you dont need a damage keystone an can use those points to improve your blitz instead

[lethal lagoon]

You get damage and crit damage(I think).

[wind halo]

This feat is useless right

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty much

[lethal lagoon]

20% is so dumb

[severe folio]

its useless