psyker-class

[orchid nest]

@clear heath I sent you a pm about it when you have a moment

[wind halo]

I guess Horde Smite Psyker is the equivalent of speedrunner Knife Zealot, gotta have one for each class

[shell maple]

I take Horde Smite Psyker any day

[plucky flax]

wth big bg3 patch

[orchid nest]

I basically have to be creeping flames with smite or I will never use smite. every situation I just think "alright I'm better off doing dps right now.." and then I will end the mission having used it like 2 times plus poxbursters.

[plucky flax]

BG3 released this summer and already has more patches than dt in 1 year.

[idle bay]

SIblings i just dreamed this ... THING into existence . I though about rolling another laspistol for bossmelting shinenigans and then checked Melk's and witnessed it. Between the eyes into DumDum, Specialists into Unyelding,,,

[orchid nest]

I legit think we are going into darktide 2 here in a couple years and that it will be the long lasting version similar to vt2. except it will be the same engine and they will port any cosmetics you bought like poe2 is doing

[idle bay]

I still tempted to buy highest supporter pack for PoE... even if 2nd Game is soon-ish.

Though i already have THIS

[orchid nest]

I bought a couple big ones over the years. still got a t-shirt from one somewhere around here

[idle bay]

I weared t-shirt from Space Marine game package for years 🙂

[plush jacinth]

is this good stats or will i notice those dump stats too much?

[idle bay]

It will do nicely. Low stats are dump stats. Though it might bit a tab bit annoying, but you will get used to it 🙂

I still scared to Consecrate this ... It's on Psyker though.

[plush jacinth]

haha i get it

balancing %'s is so nuts in this game

[idle bay]

You essetialy have god-roll candidate on your hands. When lower than 360 does not matter , because all lows in dump stats 🙂

[orchid nest]

i'm still afraid to consecrate that 7% warp resist deimos I have too. I want it to hit uncanny on the last one so bad

[plush jacinth]

someone should make an app where you plug in stats then it compares against breakpoints n stuff and recommends stuff. like all the nerd stuff automated

[idle bay]

Wait for 3 re-rolls instad of 2 re-rolls. If it's happening anytime before... Unification Wars

[orchid nest]

that would be cool

[plush jacinth]

wanna see it consecrated?

[idle bay]

Let the Omnissia smile upon you.

[orchid nest]

finding the perfect base is hard enough tbh they should at least let you scrub it clean for mats and start over if they are completely opposed to doing away with 2 locks

[plush jacinth]

not terrible ig

[kindred sand]

WHat is the name of this mod?

[orchid nest]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22 but he is also using the plugin one for more detailed info

[runic siren]

Best Psyker blaze sword?

[orchid nest]

illisi for horde clear, deimos for single target/hard targets

depends on needs of the build

[runic siren]

Obscurus any good?

[orchid nest]

it's pretty average for now unfortunately. kind of just like a worse deimos

[glossy ember]

big fan of ur memes

[willow hazel]

the overhead heavy on it is pretty strong

[plush jacinth]

@idle bay lol my next attempt

goated

[plush jacinth]

finally, a god roll rend trauma

my ordo dockets and plasteel can rest

for a second

[orchid nest]

congrats. always awesome to have a weapon you can freely change perks on

[glossy ember]

does that mean they got Ikea in 40k

[digital narwhal]

Let's ping a dev to find out if there's an Ikea on the Mourningstar

[glossy ember]

housing

[plush jacinth]

uhh, my rending staff is applying soulblaze and idk why

oh nvm im buggin

also yall recommend any changes to this staff? dunno if the perks should be maniac + flak or cara...

[woeful patio]

Maniac always

[shell maple]

@hearty oak hey just wanna say ur tip literally saved my run, i was downed and the 4% kicked in just as it was running out and someone helped me up and i continued killing elites

[woeful patio]

Fuck maniacs

My homies HATE manics

[plush jacinth]

might just run the true and trusted maniac+flak

it already does rend good enough

[fresh reef]

got this thing, no idea how good this setup is

[orchid nest]

mostly relying on true aim works well enough in my experience and I know a few people here like that setup with either flurry or transfer with surge

the old flurry/transfer setup still works well too

[coarse bane]

I like flurry better than Nexus. May not be as wild for crits, but you still crit enough with the faster charge speed.

[woeful patio]

Swap Flurry for Nexus and you’re gold

[orchid nest]

it's locked in so he has to go the true aim reliance route or the old flurry/transfer route

[woeful patio]

Shame

[orchid nest]

to be fair, I have a nearly identical nexus/surge one and transfer/surge one and I think I prefer the transfer one

[woeful patio]

Tbh if you can’t get Surge/Nexus I feel Flurry/Nexus is good too

[harsh urchin]

no point going nexus without surge

just do flurry transfer if you dont have surge

[inland crescent]

what is this???? 💀

[woeful patio]

Recolored Helmet?

Recolored Pants?

[orchid nest]

I like the chest piece for the set at least

[woeful patio]

What do you want us to say

Chest is okay yeah

But there’s a gold variant in the files

Which I prefer imo

Black/Gold sorry

[orchid nest]

yeah gold version would be pretty cool

[inland crescent]

bro got that tf2 teleporter helmet

[woeful patio]

It’s not full gold, the shoulder plates and some of the Armor is gold too

(Arm armor)

[orchid nest]

oh alright

[woeful patio]

Wish we could recolor armor ourselves tbh

I love the Black/Gold/Red that the high penance armor has

[inland crescent]

i just want that leather hat back

[orchid nest]

I usually prefer the gold on its own but then end up going steel colored stuff because it's easier to match with everything

[inland crescent]

come on fatshark

[woeful patio]

The Trader Hat?

[inland crescent]

yeah

[woeful patio]

It’s goooood

I have it

Mint

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[wind halo]

bruh that backhair on the helm

[inland crescent]

why does veteran get the best skins?

i love that gasmask/steel helmet look

[wind halo]

false statement

[ripe yacht]

Does anticipation still do jack?

[mellow gorge]

https://youtu.be/3UiKFNlaqsU?si=MhoDYVH0WPq4zxgh

[orchid nest]

the helmet apparently has the crazy modulation that one zealot helm has but I dunno if that is enough to make me want to use it

[inland crescent]

i only wanted that trader outfit

[woeful patio]

Oh boy! The rest of the update they cut in half for no reason!

About time

[inland crescent]

but alas i was too late

[orchid nest]

new revolver?

[wind halo]

even spelled the description wrongly

[fading iris]

"We need to go deeper"

[mellow gorge]

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-traitor-curse-part-2-coming-december-2023/88309

And we will go deeper high AF on stimms

[mellow gorge]

Legalize stimm use

[fading iris]

there is one thing that they are keeping a secret

[woeful patio]

Time limited combat encounter?

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-death-goodbye-gif-23845288

[mellow gorge]

I'm excited for the invaders

[woeful patio]

And redacted news about Zola

Yawn

[mellow gorge]

Can't wait to get dick flattened thanks to pubs

[woeful patio]

Stims are cool though

And a fanning revolver?

Sounds cool

No “new” weapons though which is a shame

Was hoping for the Ogryn Hammer or 2H force sword

[plush jacinth]

zealots hold that title

[fading iris]

A new shovel because Krieg never forgets

[woeful patio]

Isn’t that Cadia?

Cadia never forgets?

[wind halo]

Cadia is about standing

Kreig is about shovels

[fading iris]

Cadia never forgets, Krieg never forget, never forgive(including themselves)

[woeful patio]

Not that it exists anymore

[plush jacinth]

oh sorry, wrong @. zealots have the best drip

[idle bay]

Cadian favorite med is in blue pills originaly designed for heart issues, right?

[wind halo]

Their favorite med is space dust right now

[orchid nest]

my guess is the secret one is that unreleased monstrosity. forget the name

[idle bay]

That Failbaddon keeps snorting in his private moments

[woeful patio]

By the by did we ever find out what was chasing OG Wyrmwood?

Karnak Twin?

Or was it just abandoned

[plush jacinth]

me

[woeful patio]

I remember there was a lot of Lichter speculation

Or even Plague Toad

[drowsy scaffold]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[idle bay]

Nah it's a Karen from HR

[drowsy scaffold]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wind halo]

guess it works with the voxcaster

got a hose leading into it

vox while inhailing copium

[idle bay]

Can we saw-off those horn -things?

[idle bay]

I preffer Frenzon mixed with Slaught

[wind halo]

thats heresy

[orchid nest]

definitely sounds like you are inhaling something for sure talking with that helmet on

[idle bay]

We all breath dust from minced and crushed bricks we receive from our Bricked weapons....

[wind halo]

voxcaster + inhaler

[orchid nest]

someone elses clip but here is the voice modulation on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJd1IshBcY

[idle aurora]

There are 2 recolours of this chest that look much better, imo

[orchid nest]

unreleased recolors or is this the first version to come out?

[idle aurora]

shiny Gold - silver, and red - black matte metal

[idle aurora]

What's funny, recolours are older then this set

[wind halo]

blacks fine, goes well with many things

[idle aurora]

They where in the files for months, and this black variant appeared recently

[orchid nest]

alright. this is the first version of that model they officially released though, yeah?

[idle aurora]

This is what i honestly don't understand, they have so many sets in the game already, unreleased, and proceed to add new ones

[idle aurora]

correct

[orchid nest]

yeah it's weird

alright, thank you

[woeful patio]

They’ve had months worth of premium cosmetics saved since launch

[wind halo]

Release the Guard Regiment sets whenever the game is gonna fail or for big updates, classic strats

[idle aurora]

@orchid nest other 2

[orchid nest]

Oh, awesome

[wind halo]

Coming in 2025/2027

[orchid nest]

the gold is a lot brighter than I was expecting

[idle aurora]

Imo red - black is the best, gold looks too shiny, would be better if it was dimmer

[wind halo]

How else are you going to show your devotion to the Throne? MOAR GOLD

[woeful patio]

The gold doesn’t match the same gold as other cosmetics

They need to standardize this shit

[idle aurora]

That's why i love this mod, literally just check what's in the files, mark what you want, save money

[orchid nest]

yeah the red one is cool. I do like the current one too though for how easy it is to match with things, especially weapons

[idle aurora]

100% there is like 3 variations of gold texture

All slightly different

[woeful patio]

NGL it’s only a matter of time until they start banning mods because it enables us to call them out on bullshit and see what cosmetics we actually want to buy, which circumvents the whole FOMO store

Enjoy it while you can

[orchid nest]

yeah when you first said the gold one catter my first thought was oh cool, it will match the golden skull I already have. but yeah lol

[woeful patio]

Yeah 😦

It’s my favorite of that particular armor pattern

Really hoping they go back and change it

More recolors are bound to happen with how easy they are to produce

[orchid nest]

I think they will definitely go back to sanctioned mods at some point and the only reason we have the current version is because they wanted to retain as many players as they could during those troubled times for the game but they didn't have a proper system ready yet

[idle aurora]

Fomo has the opposite effect on me, i see a cosmetic, and i am like, oh, it's cool, but maybe something better will arrive and don't buy it

I would literally dump hundreds if fat fish would show the entire selection

[wind halo]

For one of you, there are a hundred that think the opposite sadly

[woeful patio]

I’m really hoping that once the game has more actual content (weapons mission types missions crafting etc.) they reevaluate the premium cosmetic system

[idle aurora]

Idk maybe because they are digital items, and i just don't get the same urge i would for something irl

[wind halo]

Danger, too much inhalation of copium

[idle bay]

I honestly have hope that a Vostroyan themed drip will be added to the game.

[idle aurora]

New revolver variant will have a fanning move, psyker cowboy hat is now accurate

ITS HIGH WARP

[woeful patio]

FatShart MO is release game in dogshit state and fix over time, V2 was doodoo at launch but 6 years later it’s absolutely stellar

[solar sand]

“New” weapons confirmed?

[woeful patio]

No

New marks

Not new weapons

Same shit different moves

[solar sand]

Hence “new”

[idle bay]

I did enjoyed early VT2

[warm dust]

WHY IS THIS ON MY PSYKER GODDAMNIT

[woeful patio]

Get fuuuucked

[strong gulch]

omg

[woeful patio]

Shared Inventory will NEVER HAPPEN

[idle bay]

Knife can be used on Psyker as well

[woeful patio]

You are now a Psyker

Enjoy

[solar sand]

My first 380 was a really well rolled knife, on my pysker

[radiant sleet]

How do I get the voice change helmet on Psyker? Wait for the whale buffet to rotate I'm guessing? And is it just the one helmet or are there several types that change voice

[orchid nest]

hopefully that includes something new specifically for psykers. which would have to be a force sword I guess. but I dunno what they would even add there. they should just buff/change obscurus first. duelling sword too I suppose but same thing. probably just nothing psyker specific tbh

[idle aurora]

currently only 3 helmets in game give that optimus prime effect to your voice

[woeful patio]

2H Force Sword exists in the files

[remote flower]

long lasguns too, right? how I hope we get a ratling..

[orchid nest]

yeah I'm excited for that but that wouldn't fit in for the new mark stuff for this update, right?

[woeful patio]

No

Likely next year

[orchid nest]

neither would a staff since they are all different

[woeful patio]

Yeah

[orchid nest]

so it's probably just likely nothing psyker specific and we get a couple gun marks

[warm dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[mellow gorge]

Aight but what do we want it to do?

[radiant sleet]

I would kill for a small buckler shield paired with a 1h mace, lean into the battle mage aesthetic

[orchid nest]

no idea. I think obscurus should be changed to be a defensive special though and the light attack chain fixed. mainly the upper slash removed

[patent hatch]

Precognition or Riposte for dueling sword

[woeful patio]

Bro a BUCKLER and Force Rapier

[woeful patio]

Ngl it could be a carbon copy of the eviscerator and I would be happy

I just want more force shit

I’m playing space wizard

I’m not using guns

Or normal basic bitch swords

I want WARP WEAPONRY

Force Staff

Anything

[orchid nest]

some dual wield thing with a laspistol like victors rapier would be pretty cool. and lore appropriate

[kind jay]

technically there was also another surge variant in the files but who knows if that'll ever be a thing

[mellow gorge]

I was sad we didn't get warpfire grenades as a blitz option ngl

[orchid nest]

oh interesting. that would be a nice surprise for sure

[woeful patio]

Ogryn is slotted to receive a 2H Hammer and some sort of artillery cannon

I’m really hoping we get another staff soon

Ideally early next year

Even in the skin department, staves are sorely lacking

[orchid nest]

bolt pistol looks cool

[woeful patio]

Outside the default I believe there’s 2 variants

Also yes Bolt Pistol is in the files

No doubt for Vet

Got that Commisar loadout

[orchid nest]

[eager mantle]

They giving my gunker a revolver I can fan. I'm happy

[orchid nest]

the coruscation staff would be cool

might just straight up replace purg though if there was one

[kind jay]

we could use something like drakefire

dual warpfire pistols

[mellow gorge]

It would be cool if we had guns that were tied to warp heat

[orchid nest]

bolt pistol with psybolt ammo would be cool but psybolts are probably not something likely for rejects lol

[kind jay]

neither is killing monsters but we do it anyways

[orchid nest]

true

[woeful patio]

Warp Enhanced Strikes are canon

We could in theory forgo melee weapons entirely and just duke shit out

[mellow gorge]

Our rejects are hero class already, let us have fun

[woeful patio]

Warp Charge our muscles

[eager mantle]

Now which class is gonna be shooting up every stim the second they see it?

[kind jay]

let me buff ogryn fists with warp

[plush jacinth]

you already know its zealots

[woeful patio]

Zealot as they already run ahead

[orchid nest]

loner zealot for sure. first to arrive and popping them nonstop

[plush jacinth]

no question

[woeful patio]

Absolutely 0 doubt Stims will have a penance tied to them

And will be impossible for others

Crack Addicts

[mellow gorge]

Make it so the pen is to use them on teammtes

[echo turtle]

Penance would be for every party member to return to the Morningstar with stims in inventory to turn in as contraband

[kind jay]

"Take 15 stimms and survive for 60 seconds without shitting your organs out"

[eager mantle]

Rewarding the addicts to share

[mellow gorge]

My bet is that it hits team and is to use then on allies.

Falls in line with the other consumable one

[solar sand]

Playing pysker has made me want to give vt2 another shot, I assume the mage class or whatever is fleshed out similarly or better than pysker in dark tide?

[kind jay]

imagine having to stab your ally in the face mid horde with a used needle

here's your buff boi

[static needle]

Invest or bricked?

[solar sand]

Enjoy your nurgle rot ™

[eager mantle]

Ogryn with like 20 needles in their back they haven't noticed

[harsh urchin]

Mate, i really recommend you start learning how to evaluate shit yourself

[kind jay]

i would absolutely code it to keep the needles displayed

[harsh urchin]

There's nothing wrong if you're not sure about how a blessing works, or if a talent is worth keeping

But you literally post every single weapon you buy and ask that same question loo

[static needle]

hahah well this is my source to investigate. Once I know what is good for a certian weapon, I wont need to ask again. Just sometimes you cant decide if something is good or not, so i go here to check

[static needle]

not at all, i post the ones im on the fence about

[harsh urchin]

Tldr the answer is it depends

You can probably swap out both blessings and end up with a decent axe

[static needle]

Im guessing all or nothing is not good?

[orchid nest]

the t3 maniac makes it ok. you're going to be 1 off on either blessing or perk basically

[static needle]

Seems to me like it's too situational

[woeful patio]

Stims seem like a single use individual item as opposed to a share item like ammo or medkits

Would love to see them able to be used on other teammates though

[orchid nest]

they seem like health and combat pots from v2 combined tbh. probably have their own slot. maybe right click use on someone else or pass to someone else

[woeful patio]

Already tough enough to entice some players to use medicae or ammo for THE TEAM

[plush jacinth]

someone show me a really good surge staff. i wanna aim for one

[woeful patio]

If they have their own slot I’d be down

[quasi junco]

Great with new update we get more cowboy gunkers fanning their revolvers

[woeful patio]

Wannabe Veterans smh

Get off my space wizard

[quasi junco]

Maybe we get a new MK of a staff. Maybe a quick fire void strike

More Columnus, less bolter

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't mind a staff in between Trauma and Void that's basically a Lob like Grenade Launcher

[plush jacinth]

dont think we need inferior versions of a voidstrike

[woeful patio]

You mean Fireball Staff from V2

Fuck it just bring all of Siennas staves over

Don’t even change the skins

They’d fit right in

[harsh urchin]

sienna's staves are way better imo lol

[woeful patio]

Gold and skulls

[harsh urchin]

i wish they differentiated the left click

in dt staves

like they did with beam and bolt

[woeful patio]

I like the warp bolts as it gives me a pretty reliable long range suppression option

As I don’t use voidstrike on principle

[plush jacinth]

u mean to remove the lame ass peashooter M1?

[quasi junco]

Or a new surge staff that has a wider AE but less damage

[glossy ember]

perilous combustion...

[quasi junco]

Y? I love void

[glossy ember]

at this point i'm wondering if I'm not better off without PC

idk

this talent is so inconsistant

[plush jacinth]

it would be more consistent depending on the weapon no?

what did u use?

[glossy ember]

surge staff

so it should deal a lot of damage since i kill a lot of elites

all the elites and specials of that game

[lethal lagoon]

Was your team good or bad?

[harsh urchin]

tldr;
in dt, left click is always pea shooter, right click is the staff specialty

[glossy ember]

good

[lethal lagoon]

PC falls off hard the easier the game.

[glossy ember]

so the worse your team the better PC?

[lethal lagoon]

I would never run PC in a solid premade.

[glossy ember]

that wasn't a premade, i almost always pug

[lethal lagoon]

I know, I'm just saying.

[plush jacinth]

makes sense to me. the more they kill, the less you do

[glossy ember]

yeah i can see it aight

[harsh urchin]

in vt, left click is always there to complement the right click-
bolt staff has the machine-gun left click
beam staff has the beam that complements the shotgun
coruscation staff has the blast that complements the dot zone

it adds a lot more personality to the staves

[sterile lake]

Guys, there was a way to decrease the load by holding q right? Any other way right now?

[harsh urchin]

because they have 2 dimensions of use instead of one

[lethal lagoon]

No beam makes me qkind of miffed

I wanna fire my lasers

We are in space lmao

And no beams?

[quasi junco]

Three of the staves here having the same LMB is lazy imo

[glossy ember]

agreed

[lethal lagoon]

I imagine it was a placeholder that they never got around to changing.

[spice veldt]

quelling your peril? hold your reload button with a staff, blitz, or force sword

[clear heath]

okay trying to solo high shock is driving me insane

[sterile lake]

Ah alright thanks lol
My mate an me both thought it used to be q for some reason

[clear heath]

Do you guys think it would be more impressive to solo high int without bots or hi shock with bots?

[spice veldt]

true solo grindset?

maybe without bots, regardless of whether that affects spawns or not

oh wait hi int vs hishock

[lethal lagoon]

Without bots. Having bots just makes you look lonely.

[clear heath]

yeah

[spice veldt]

hishock has double the special cap so there's that

[clear heath]

cause hi shock is kinda cancer solo

[spice veldt]

yeah might as well take it slow into hi int first

[clear heath]

i've been trying hi shock with bots and the bots are literally baiting bursters into me

i think i'll go insane

they don't push them

[spice veldt]

owned

[clear heath]

they just walk just close enough to me so the burster gets me, but far enough that i can't push them

[lavish glade]

Thoughts

[clear heath]

literally trolling

[lethal lagoon]

Is there a hi int psyker solo out there?

Non bug

[clear heath]

idk

[lethal lagoon]

I don't see it with a quick search

[clear heath]

I'm sure people have done it before

[lethal lagoon]

So might as well start there

Well I'm sure they've done it, but no video and potentially bug abuse 🤷‍♂️ , if anyone has one, linkie plz.

[lavish glade]

Is it bricked

[plush jacinth]

anyone got a god roll surge to flex real quick?

[harsh urchin]

Not really because the weapon is buggy as fuck so nobody has a godroll for more than 2 weeks at a time

[lethal lagoon]

Not a god roll, but just reminding you that all Inperium Approved Surge Staffs must have a thunder hammer attachment.

[plush jacinth]

fair i guess

[orchid nest]

yeah force sword is good solo cause of this. push attack has like 10m range, can save the bots and yourself at the same time

[glossy ember]

time to try this one out

[lethal lagoon]

For the gays?

I've always wanted to run an exorcist melee build with SG

[plush jacinth]

SG?

[glossy ember]

yea

for the

[pale crescent]

got the meme gun. Only tier 4s thats good is fire frenzy. have almost all the tier 3s. I think i want to keep crit chance

[vapid lichen]

not entirely, you can do crit chance to unyielding and executor to uncanny

[orchid nest]

yeah I would be tempted to keep the crit on that columnus too to get rid of stripped down

[pale crescent]

Im guessing switch specialists for flak?

[strong gulch]

exorcist + blazing spirit + SG

[orchid nest]

yeah

[tame venture]

hey quick question:
i was told that this particular head gives your character a new voice filter, by someone wearing this zealot head. is that true? are there examples of how it effects the voices?

[quasi junco]

How many light attacks have the charge on Illisi? Just 1?

[orchid nest]

yeah hold on I posted a vid earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJd1IshBcY

[tame venture]

ty

[orchid nest]

well someone elses video, but yeah

np

[vapid lichen]

illisi special only applies to one attack yeah
just like power sword without power cycler

[echo turtle]

You find quell on weakspot procs much?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. New bug head changes your voice.

[lethal lagoon]

I think it's really quiet for the other people right?

[tame venture]

i have 1100 aquis left, is it worth wasting it on this head?

[echo turtle]

I am running scriers rn, and if it can keep scriers up, I could see using that over slaughterer

[orchid nest]

i'm not sure. the zealot one comes across pretty clear for me but I haven't played with someone with the helmet yet

[echo turtle]

So the different helms modulate the voice in different ways?

[strong gulch]

Can't answer that. I got it and like but I have been wearing the old bug head since it came out months ago.

[tame venture]

well most gas mask heads give one kind of voice

[strong gulch]

There's a few that do.

[plush jacinth]

makes it deeper and distorted, both of them do

moreso than other mask/filters

[echo turtle]

I know they modulate the voice, I am wondering if they all do it the same way, or if there is variance in the modulation

[strong gulch]

oh gotcha

[echo turtle]

Ah cool

Yeah, the deep zealot voice sounds almost exactly like wolfer with the rebreather on

[plush jacinth]

whereas regular ones are just kinda muffled without distortion (to elaborate)

[plush jacinth]

sounds like theyre the same (i have both)

would just be the personalities that are different

[plucky flax]

This mask on ogryn also gives the demonic voice.

[orchid nest]

oh awesome

[pale pilot]

yeah from what i can tell there's two voice modulations. you've got the regular sorta muffled deeper from wearing a mask, and then some head accessories have the MONSTROUS SPEAKER VOICE

[foggy breach]

oggies watching as psykers get a knuckleduster before they do

[strong gulch]

I only have psyker hats, but...

old bug head is like regular voice.
rebreather is muffled voice.
new bug head is modulated and filtered deeper. (idk exactly how it compares to zealot, but kinda like that)

[quasi junco]

So why do ppl say to spam Illisi charged on hordes?

[spice veldt]

because it has a better damage distribution and cleave

and if you're not spamming the special, just use the deimos

[lethal lagoon]

New bug head is why free psyker mask didn't get glowing eyes like Ogryn 😦

[woeful patio]

Or just light spam

[idle aurora]

I like old tv head colours more, but it doesn't have voice filter

[quasi junco]

Seems dangerous in a horde to constantly reapply the charge

[spice veldt]

light spam is roughly equivalent to heavy spam

enemy and breakpoint dependent, but just think of them as basically the same

[strong gulch]

Old colors before recent lighting changes? Or current colors of old bug head?

[spice veldt]

I don't get why people want to mostly use normals on the force sword where it is distinguished by its special

legitimately, just use the obscurus at that point

[vapid lichen]

illisi should have power cycler tbh

not biased at all

[idle aurora]

before the change, i actually will report that as a bug, because wtf, i paid for old one and hate darker one

[quasi junco]

Spamming lights on Illisi does ok, but constantly trying to reapply the special seems like asking to eat dirt

[lethal lagoon]

Unless the enemies are really clumped together, Illy normal is great sword clear without any charge. So balances with power sword that's completely useless without charging.

[glossy ember]

procs every time you hit a weak point except the first time

so procs enough

[strong gulch]

Illisi light spam is pretty safe in a horde, so I can see why people do it.

[lethal lagoon]

Illy crits will also shred a mutant, even without special.

[spice veldt]

if you're dodging backwards from a horde, try not to do it

just dodge sideways

[glossy ember]

by itself it won't keep scrier up

[spice veldt]

like just play illisi like the psword

[strong gulch]

I feel you because same. 🥲

[glossy ember]

but it'll help with it

[quasi junco]

I’ll try this

[spice veldt]

it's really not that hard

if you e ever used psword on vet

spam sideways dodges

[olive ember]

What about dodging forwards

[vapid lichen]

why is dodging backwards so weird

[spice veldt]

even with the dogshit dodges that psword had

[olive ember]

The answer is to always dodge forward

[lethal lagoon]

Because first person isn't reality.

[vapid lichen]

like you still get hit half the time when you dodge backwards

[spice veldt]

cuz running attacks

[vapid lichen]

the enemy just lunges forwards

[orchid nest]

they don't lose tracking on the running attacks when dodging backwards

[vapid lichen]

i always feel like it should work the same way as sideways but ig not yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Try playing 3rd person for a bit if backward dodges mess ya up.

[spice veldt]

if you're a certain distance from enemies, they'll initiate running attacks which have a longer dodge catch

[olive ember]

Use kinetic deflection and just hold block and become shield ogryn

[spice veldt]

and against a horde that's in front of you and not surrounding you, enemies will body block each other more easily if you dodge sideways

[strong gulch]

If you can't dodge, force swords push (not push attack) will push so much in front of you. You can push, charge special, push, then swing.

[wanton sandal]

pretty aight

there's also this one but hadron bricked the shit out of the blessings and perks

[glossy ember]

ouch yeah

[strong gulch]

Congrats on warp flurry 4

[wanton sandal]

ty ty

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

still gotta roll for wn 4

[strong gulch]

If you want to LMB main, the bricked one is good for that. 🥲

Hadron did the same to me, so I committed.

[lethal lagoon]

Excuse me, "bricked"?

God staff

[strong gulch]

My bad. U right.

[blazing echo]

Just watched a friend stunlock a CS with voidstrike lol

[strong gulch]

noice

[tame venture]

any pointers for doing the warp battery pennance?

[olive ember]

Don’t take 6 charges, play as high a difficulty/intensity as possible

[glossy ember]

@rare storm @plucky flax see, it works totally didn't luck out on those instant 3 warp charges at the start

[sacred crane]

seer sounds way more intimiating with the new cosmetic that alters his voice

[vapid lichen]

you might need the 6 charges to get the penance

[lyric burrow]

p sure you do

[vapid lichen]

that's what i usually hear at least yeah

and besides

[lyric burrow]

you needed 6 pre patch

13

[vapid lichen]

there's no difference gameplay wise between 6 and 4 because all you need is to get the stacks and not lose any

[olive ember]

I could be wrong Idr needing 6 but I also haven’t done it since like January

[lyric burrow]

yeah its been a since it got released

but i think it was 6

or i was just running WB cause it was BIS back then

[olive ember]

The way I did it was just purge staff with RNG procs btw

Just lots of fire = lots of chances to get warp charges

[vapid lichen]

i got mine with void on histg just sniping elites and specials over and over

[olive ember]

Tbh any of the staves work, tho surge is arguably the hardest

Lack of range and lack of fire/crowd clearing

[lyric burrow]

derpy surge hate never stops

[copper sky]

which stats in modifiers is not that important ?

[vapid lichen]

they're all good on a surge staff because of how much peril the right click generates lol

quell speed is probably the least good though... i think
especially with slide quell tech

[ornate hamlet]

Methinks warp resist

[echo turtle]

Yeah, there isn't really a dump stat

[vapid lichen]

the real problem with that staff is that it's already blue

[olive ember]

Quell speed warp res

[hearty oak]

They actuallly sell that mask?

[olive ember]

I forget if crit is super important or not

[plucky flax]

It's not on sale now but it was part of a set.

[hearty oak]

thats what i meant.
But ok. Please dont tell me the ogryn gets a bane voice too like the zealot

Nobody cared who i was until i...

[glossy ember]

that's a good stat spread tbh

i'd upgrade that staff if I were you

and see what I get

perk and blessing aren't unworkable with

if you luck out and get flak/crit rate/unarmoured as second perk and flurry/nexus as second blessing u gucci

and even if you get stamina+terrifying barrage, can still go unyielding+flak and focused channeling+nexus

[copper sky]

wow

[strong gulch]

What @glossy ember said.

[orchid nest]

charge rate is def a dump stat on new surge. it barely does anything within a reasonable range at least. the difference between a 60 and 80 will be like what 50 ms or something

[copper sky]

charge rate for surge, kk, lemme make notes

[olive ember]

Tbh the real answer is that surge staff itself is a dump stat

[echo turtle]

Pffft

Surge slaps

[olive ember]

That’s a take

One which I haven’t agreed with even before the jank

[viscid matrix]

surge is back to mid tier staff at best

but its not terrible

[glossy ember]

to me warp res is dump stat

but might be preference overall

[viscid matrix]

warp res or quell speed can be dump stat 😄

just edge your peril

[glossy ember]

i prefer warp res to be the dump stat

[olive ember]

Tbh not terrible is a low bar along with “it’s viable”

[glossy ember]

quell speed is useful to me since I play scrier

[olive ember]

But yes surge staff works

I guess

[olive ember]

It’s just the worst of the 4 kekw

[olive ember]

Focused channeling to nexus

[glossy ember]

Nice, you can swap elites to flak, and focused to nexus IV

[olive ember]

Surge lives or dies on whether it crits or not

[orchid nest]

yeah they both are also to a reasonable rate on surge too. but so is charge rate tbh as long as its not super low. I think the difference between my high end ones was like .93 vs .98 charge rate. it's not like trauma or anything

[viscid matrix]

reasons to get the 9% crit on talents, 5% crit for perk, warp nexus blessing and crit damage modifier

[strong gulch]

Surge could slap harder 😭

[olive ember]

I missed when surge was actually aight with EP bug

[vapid lichen]

disrupt destiny surge...? 💀

[olive ember]

And then they took that away

[viscid matrix]

it did double damage, and matched void for a few weeks

[olive ember]

Literally just should’ve tuned surge to 100% damage as opposed to the 125% + 10% + 1 target via EP + smite bug

And surge would’ve been fine

[strong gulch]

I know. But even without EP bug, it didn't constantly leave things alive with with 1 hp left.

[olive ember]

I mean it did it was just more consistent at not doing that

[copper sky]

seems i still got a long way to go , brothers

[olive ember]

Like if you didn’t take flak surge staff actually needed two hits to kill a gunner which is hilarious

[olive ember]

Welcome to the gacha hell

You thought you were playing a horde shooter? WRONG

[glossy ember]

I know.

[copper sky]

stats collect simulator I guess

[olive ember]

Now it needs two to kill a gunner unless you take unarmoured and flak which is just

[copper sky]

XD

[olive ember]

Yikes

[glossy ember]

to be fair it'd need two regardless without crit, but idr if without unarmoured, a crit on an unarmoured part wouldn't one shot a dreg gunner

[strong gulch]

Could consistently get shotgunners tho

[static needle]

Do you want brittleness blessing on rashad axe if youre building it for single target?

[glossy ember]

yeah that's the most important part of unarmoured now

[strong gulch]

and tarappers

[glossy ember]

shotgunners

[olive ember]

Gunners used to be two without flak, but would consistently be 1 with flak

[glossy ember]

dregs? I couldn't ever get a consistant 1 without a crit

[olive ember]

The bug made it so that you can hit their arms and legs which are “unarmoured”

Which means you need both flak and unarmoured to hit one shot

[strong gulch]

I remember the scab gunner consistently getting one shot. Not the dreg tho.

[olive ember]

My surge staff didn’t even have flak tbh so if you say so I’ll believe you

But I def knew it was a two hit without flak kekw

[glossy ember]

i have flexible perks

[olive ember]

Damn it can’t kill dregs even with flak

[strong gulch]

We thought gib was a buff (for coolness), but lol

[glossy ember]

scab gunner is always a 1 hit with flak, crit or not

[olive ember]

One more reason to use voidstrike and not surge ig

[glossy ember]

dreg gunners with 6 ws 5pt it leaves them at like 7-50 hp

[strong gulch]

Actual god roll.

[glossy ember]

if you don't crit

my staff

so yeah dregs you gotta crit regardless to 1 hit them

[olive ember]

Ah remind me to not touch surge staff for a while

[glossy ember]

or have them have a lil damage done to them beforehand, potentially from Perilous Combustion

[olive ember]

Maybe by next year it’ll be good

[glossy ember]

run scrier, get to 80% crit rate

[olive ember]

Scrier with surge yikes

A whole two charges before you hit 100 peril kekw

[strong gulch]

Or you do 98% of the target's damage and a teammate sneezes on them

[glossy ember]

it's not that bad

[olive ember]

I mean you’d be surprised at how not often teammates do damage to targets

It’s why breakpoints are a huge deal

[glossy ember]

ye big thing with surge staff is that it's instant 0 aim too so you're usually the first one to hit things

[olive ember]

Like thammer one shot mutants pre patch was a big deal over whether you needed +maniac or thrust 4 etc etc

[olive ember]

That’s assuming they are within 25 m tho

[glossy ember]

well yeah

[olive ember]

And atleast with people I’ve played with they run it down

Hard

[glossy ember]

but that's something where you gotta move

and you know what helps you move

[echo turtle]

I am pretty sure you can one hit the gunners, maybe only on a crit, but crit rate is real high

[glossy ember]

scrier's movement speed node

[olive ember]

@lunar hollow loves running it down kekw

[glossy ember]

[olive ember]

I mean the biggest problem is that surge damages one target

[echo turtle]

I run it in games and the damage is consistently high, as well as the control and specials deletion

[olive ember]

So either make it do super big damage to that target

Or make it hit more

It doesn’t do either

Instead we get “oh yeah you need a crit to kill that dreg gunner”

[glossy ember]

it'd be fine if they tuned the damage a bit so that it was consistant and not a random roll on the final hit

[echo turtle]

Using it, I am usually top damage in the Aurics I Que into, how much damage does that thing need to do?

You can stack so many buffs into it if you build for that

[olive ember]

Should just give it double damage

[echo turtle]

Warp rider, warp charges, perfect timing

[olive ember]

I honestly think the whole EP bug OP was overblown

[echo turtle]

I dunno, feels good to me

It was absurd

[glossy ember]

yes a crit constantly one hits dreg gunners

[echo turtle]

Getting 1 mill damage while people would sweat for 600k was ridic

[strong gulch]

I feel the similar on surge either doing more damage or having more CC, but on the CC front we now have smite.

[olive ember]

600k was baseline no?

Any decent staff build could prob reach 600k

[glossy ember]

embrace the

[echo turtle]

Crit rate is like 35-45% from 30% peril and up roughly

I dunno, while the damage bonus on the right is good, the reduced uptime and lack of creeping flames exacerbates the weaknesses of the staff

[glossy ember]

i mean creeping flames is the go to surge staff build

[echo turtle]

Going left gets you the horde deletion and gives way more value for perlious

[olive ember]

Surge needs literally +100% damage to let it one shot man sized enemies and 2 shot crushers without needing to jump through 5 hoops and double crit

[glossy ember]

but you're not exactly playing the staff, you're playing the fire

the staff acts as a big battery that's easy to fill to dump your creeping flames stack over and over

[echo turtle]

Fire ends up being an average of 25% of my danage

[glossy ember]

which is great

[olive ember]

Especially in a game of special spam where guns like the revolver and plasma gun exist

[echo turtle]

It just is mostly into stuff I don't want to fire my staff into

[olive ember]

I don’t think spending one charge to kill one medium special is that big of a ask honestly

[strong gulch]

Surge LMB is surprisingly not the worst at hordes. You can thin it out a lot before it gets to you.

[glossy ember]

just crit

[olive ember]

Fire will pad your damage

[glossy ember]

you wanna one shot flamers?

crit it

[olive ember]

This is why I just run revolver and win

No crits needed

[echo turtle]

Yeah, but it also kills tons of stuff, and gives you more uptime to keep firing the staff

[olive ember]

Maybe crit to one shot a crusher kekw

One of the easiest ways to hit 1 mil+ damage rn on psyker is just blaze trauma

Lots of fire everywhere

[echo turtle]

Which is good, the staff crits 40% of the time. If it had the damage levels you are asking for it would be the most broken weapon in the gane

[strong gulch]

My revolver lives off crits more than my surge staff does.

[glossy ember]

doesnt handcanon wants to crit...

[olive ember]

It really wouldn’t be

[olive ember]

It crits to one shot a crusher

Which is a different thing from criting to one shot a dreg gunner

[echo turtle]

Well, I take that sucker and get really really good damage. I would like the single target to be better, but it's not bad at all

[glossy ember]

fair enough

[olive ember]

well in all honestly one shot crusher revolver is also jumping through hoops

[glossy ember]

sounds like revolver is kinda overtuned though

[short lodge]

Surge working with True Aim now is unreal

[glossy ember]

[strong gulch]

I can 2 shot depending on my revolver build.

[short lodge]

why bother with Scriers when you can already practically guarantee crits

[echo turtle]

Not really, you have to have a crit and aim at the face, for the level of opportunity and skill required it is alright

[olive ember]

Revolver is actually good now, which is better than what it was for 90% of the games lifespan which was a complete meme

[glossy ember]

how do you guarentee crits, do you just lmb for weak points until you get the proc ready

[olive ember]

Surge is basically the old revolver except auto aim and with a stun

[echo turtle]

If revolver was so busted, you would see people crushing Aurics with it all the time, but what you actually see is everyone rolling in with a columnus

[short lodge]

no, the rng hitzone thing means you have a very good chance of ticking 5x on a head

[olive ember]

That’s cuz Columnus is even more broken kekw

Revolver is 5 shots so it’s like 5 enemies more or less

[echo turtle]

Crits strings are going to get nerfed for sure

On that gun

[open pike]

And now we're even getting a fanning revolver which means you can unload your entire gun in seconds and look really cool (before reloading for an hour)

[olive ember]

But crit string Columnus can just delete everything

[echo turtle]

Sure can, I have been running it and it's fun

[short lodge]

bc you hit 3 targets with rng ticking

[olive ember]

Revolver also is a bit skill based you gotta hit heads, you gotta use penetration to be ammo efficient, crits to hit funny breakpoints on crusher etc

Meanwhile Columnus is just

Spray em down

[spice veldt]

bullet magnetism

[olive ember]

Meme

[echo turtle]

Runnings surge and creeping flames, if you build it well you can be #1 in damage in high int stgs consistently and not even need to pull out your melee weapon or even aim

It's not bad

[olive ember]

Eh you still gotta be in the general vicinity of the head

[olive ember]

I mean…. You can do that with every staff besides maybe purge

[echo turtle]

Maybe, I wish more psykers would

[olive ember]

Purge typically ends up around like 600k? I’m not sure tbh cuz I don’t use mods but I’ve seen scoreboards tossed around

[glossy ember]

could've been higher but scrier is nice too

[echo turtle]

It depends on game length and what is tossed at you, and how good your team mates are

[olive ember]

I still need more people to test and tell me how good rending shock blazing spirit trauma is with Scriers

[glossy ember]

idk i only play surge staff

[olive ember]

Missing out on the glory that is blaze trauma

[glossy ember]

scrier surge staff too fun

and my only good other staff is purg but i have nothing to replace the shit blessing on it for now

[echo turtle]

You just building to max out crit chance ot what?

[glossy ember]

so it's shelved

yes

[hearty oak]

I play the scrier colum staff. Too fun

[plush jacinth]

good synergy?

[echo turtle]

Well you can get crit chance to like 80%

[glossy ember]

in a way yes, in practice creeping flames surge is easier and more efficient

[idle aurora]

that smug

[echo turtle]

But, scriers ramps peril which affects uptime

[plush jacinth]

what is creeping flames?

[glossy ember]

shriek

[olive ember]

When you press push ability and every enemy near you gets lit on fire

[echo turtle]

Scriers also makes your melee better so there is a trade off, and since you have no ranged horde clear without shriek, you will need to clear hordes the old fashioned way

[glossy ember]

It's also perma 20% even when you quell to 0, it just ramps back up faster every time.

[olive ember]

Ascendant blaze was what it was called before

[plush jacinth]

ah, forgot its name

ty

[glossy ember]

but you didn't exactly like the ubild last time rhinoxerous

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I would be more inclined towards it if warp charges weren't bugged with it

[glossy ember]

it doesn't matter

you just build the warp charges back

immediately

You start with 10% damage and 20% crit rate

that's arguably as good as 4 warp charges

[strong gulch]

super smug wtf

[echo turtle]

Lol yeah

[glossy ember]

I can send five scoreboards you can laugh at if you want :^)

[echo turtle]

That crit rate with empathic though, it's a real thing

I believe you if you say you're topping damage in Aurics with it

[glossy ember]

i could be a liar

who knows

either way

it's a meme build

nobody should play it

[short lodge]

try this

[glossy ember]

unless it's for fun

[echo turtle]

Yeah, maybe. I can always try for myself before I blather on from an armchair about it though

[minor verge]

Yo, i currently have this surge Staff, i got +20 maniacs and +20 unarmored, should i switch unarmored to flak or carapace? or any other suggestions

[hearty oak]

Hows precog on mk 5 force sword? worth using?

[strong gulch]

EE + crit sometimes feels like it's cheating. 😂

Untouchable lol

[echo turtle]

I haven't given it a fair shake with scriers recently, maybe I'll come arounf

[glossy ember]

im not ur mom so do whatever u want

[olive ember]

It’s useable

[short lodge]

swap Terrifying Barrage to Warp Nexus and just keep your perks

[echo turtle]

You could be tho, after all you might be a liar

[glossy ember]

much like i'll just keep playing scrier surge staff even if the build gets mocked

@short lodge big fan of the miasma pfp

[echo turtle]

I'll give it a try, got any advice?

[minor verge]

aight thanks

[glossy ember]

blitz cancel everything

[echo turtle]

What do you mean blitz cancel?

[short lodge]

it's like that sometimes

[echo turtle]

Like, just poke with smite?

[olive ember]

So many surge psykers these days

[glossy ember]

you can see here I could edge during it for a short bit because of blitz cancelling

[strong gulch]

Right now I'd keep unarmored. Switch maniac to flak. Terrible barrage to warp nexus.

[olive ember]

And I’m always underwhelmed

[glossy ember]

but you shouldn't try edging during scrier though that's me experimenting, just quell to 50-60% or even 0 if there's no enemies

[olive ember]

I’ve seen like 2 surge psykers post rework where I went “huh not bad not bad” in game

Maybe I should play more auric bleh

[echo turtle]

Gotcha

[olive ember]

But that requires brain power

[echo turtle]

Auric is a different game

[short lodge]

don't cancel Surge if you're going True Aim btw

[echo turtle]

Honestly

[short lodge]

you want the ticks

[olive ember]

I just can’t be assed

[glossy ember]

-25% def on some days..

[olive ember]

Most aurics I join the teams dead by the 2nd hallway

And it’s like

Not worth the tilt

[strong gulch]

I can't blitz cancel. I want to tho.

[echo turtle]

I'm seeing you quell to get one shot while gaze is still up, the idea is to keep scriers going to ramp the damage bonus and keep the crit chance yeah?

[glossy ember]

if you blitz cancel with it a lot it becomes a diff weapon

[olive ember]

Like these are people who don’t know how to fight against plogryns and it’s like

[plush jacinth]

why is unarmoured good on surge? arent you targetting specials? or does the offshoot elec hit a breakpoint

[echo turtle]

Get the most from the damage bonus and crit? Have I got it right?

[glossy ember]

yes

well the stacks you build only affect you after scrier is over

so once you reach 30 stacks you can stop quelling

you only get 10% damage and 20% crit rate during scrier

[echo turtle]

Nice, I can see that definitely being slick especially with charges and perfect timing up

[glossy ember]

and then after it's over, [stacks]% damage

[echo turtle]

Just casually two tapping crushers with it

[glossy ember]

ofc build PT stacks before going into scrier since those are free

[echo turtle]

PT stacks? My brain isn't working

Oh

Yeah

[glossy ember]

perfect timing

[echo turtle]

I mean, those are always up

[short lodge]

doesn't really matter, that guy's staff just had Terrifying Barrage and 1 change left

gotta go Nexus and keep perks

[ocean cipher]

any ideas what the "redacted" part of the patch is\

[glossy ember]

gotta keep an eye on those during downtime

[echo turtle]

Some like it cuz it may apply to parts of an elite randomly

[strong gulch]

Mostly for shotgunner break point because surge LMB still hits random armor including unarmored.

Carapace is another perk option for the same reasons but on maulers and ogryns.

[echo turtle]

I take maniac and flak, cuz I want to ensure I kill specialists

[glossy ember]

to consistantly one shot shotgunners

it's only until they fix the bug though

[echo turtle]

What perks you run

Crit flak? Flakiak? Flacapace?

[glossy ember]

and we don't have the armor type roulette anymore

currently unarmoured/flak

once it's fixed I'll run crit rate/flak

[echo turtle]

Unarmored for shooters?

Gotcha

[glossy ember]

no it's just to one shot shotgunners

[short lodge]

crit RMB always hits center mass iirc

[candid crest]

How bad is 55% warp resist on an otherwise great Surge?

[glossy ember]

because they're easy warp stacks when you pop scrier

so it's important to be able to one shot them

[echo turtle]

Ok, I'll test it out and see how that works, maybe I have been short changing myself

[glossy ember]

it's fine

[echo turtle]

Cool, I am looking forward to a fresh take on surge, running illisi for horde clear or what?

[glossy ember]

yes but careful not exploding with push attack during scrier

can also just run devil claw 4

[candid crest]

Yes, illisi works tho is still run DS4 with Surge mostly

[minor verge]

Im not sure to swith off terrifying barrage since i really like it on my purgatus, but i havent played the surge in quite a while so

[echo turtle]

I've been considering Dclaw, but deflector just saves my ass when the director wants me dead it's hard to pass up

I'll have to try the claw out again

[candid crest]

For my Illisi I use a particular combo of Unstable Power and Slaughterer. Slaughterer + Deflector is probably more optimal

[echo turtle]

Blood, you mind tossing your build up?

I assuming it's the usual top perks, smite, right hand side for scriers, then across into warp siphon?

Crit aura and EA

You grabbing malefic?

[glossy ember]

unsure if that was a crit since i can't see yellow numbers, but that was 2k on main target and 1k on second bulwark from the followup beam

[glossy ember]

it's a toss up, you have 2 points you can throw around

[idle aurora]

There is a bunch of unreleased poses for mission complete screen, this is one of the best

[echo turtle]

Yeah that checks out, I think I crit them around 1300ish depending on stacks, and you would have an additional 40% damage

[olive ember]

Pygex says surge staff runs flak unarmoured but honestly I’m not particularly sure why

[echo turtle]

Blood says unarmored gets you a shotgunner breakpoint

[echo turtle]

Which is definitely good

[olive ember]

Well shotgunner is only if you don’t hit chest no?

[echo turtle]

I run maniac but I don't know it changes any breakpoints meaningfullu

[glossy ember]

your options are more points into scrier (movement speed/toughness dr), PC, kinetic deflection, malefic momentum, psykinetic aura

[olive ember]

Thought shotgunner chest was flak

[glossy ember]

that's the problem

[glossy ember]

happens more often than you'd like

[echo turtle]

Solid thabns

[short lodge]

crits don't roll hitzones

[echo turtle]

That's LEAN to get into charges from scriers

[somber dew]

Is it better to have a higher toughness value or toughness damage reduction?

[echo turtle]

Depends

[glossy ember]

yes but if you don't crit you might need two shot instead of one for a shotgunner without unarmoured

it's a double unlucky thing

[ocean cipher]

do any of the psykana hoods change your voice?

[somber dew]

So far my build has been around regeneration from vent and warp kills

[short lodge]

yeah, just had to make sure i was remembering right

[somber dew]

On toughness recovery I mean

[glossy ember]

can switch to assail but you lose -5% peril generation on the left so, idk how harsh it makes it to manage, never tried

[echo turtle]

You gotta look at your actual toughness and do math if you want to optimize

Though, I can say from experience you don't really need to run much toughness at all on the class. Our toughness sucks no matter what you do and you make up for it by being hard to hit and utilizing the regen

I run 90 toughness most of the time

[somber dew]

I think to have it change the voice it needs to be a sort of metallic mask

[olive ember]

I just don’t get why surge was made this jank tbh

[ocean cipher]

damn

[olive ember]

Just make every man sized enemy besides maulers and maybe ragers one shot

Make maulers 2 shot default, make ogryns 2 shot except for crusher which needs one crit

[echo turtle]

Yeah I would probably stick with smite on surge, assail without EP is not nearly as good

The peril generation reductions really impact the surge uptime especially with scriers in the mix

[glossy ember]

ya it's pretty crucial

[olive ember]

That puts surge more or less on par with revolver

[somber dew]

I'm 28/30 and have like 92, but I planned on grabbing regen from warpfire kills and then I'm torn on the last point

Still learning the ins and outs for sure but enjoying the class

[glossy ember]

it's a weaker revolver but you don't have to aim and it's instant if you bliutz cancel

[echo turtle]

Soul stealer and inner tranq will have your toughness perpetually rising

[olive ember]

Smite surge has this problem with range that is semi pronounced when the game spans gunners on the other side of the map

[nocturne badge]

only took fatshark 1 year to implement the potions from VT2 lmao this update

[glossy ember]

ahem you meant very original stims

right

[olive ember]

🤔

[echo turtle]

Eh, it's pretty rare the gunners are out of surge range

[olive ember]

I just realized they literally are potions from VT lmao

I didn’t even fucking make the connection

[glossy ember]

LMB for supression until you're close enough, pretty much

or you ignore them and crit on nearby targets to get empathic evasion

[nocturne badge]

i have like 5 hours in VT2 and immediately saw it

[olive ember]

Ew imagine using staff lmb

Might as well use laspistol smh

[glossy ember]

gotta use all the tools u got...

[echo turtle]

Exactly

[nocturne badge]

useful on surge staff for killing snipers

[glossy ember]

well maybe not special attack

[echo turtle]

Haha

[olive ember]

I only use staff lmb on singular poxwalkers

For fun

[echo turtle]

That's not really a tool, as it doesn't do anything

[olive ember]

[nocturne badge]

whoever designed the staff special attack was the same guy who layed out the vet talent tree

[olive ember]

Staff lmb is actually pretty decent now I heard

[echo turtle]

It shoots insanely fast

[glossy ember]

it one shots snipers so it's nice

and has good suppression

[nocturne badge]

if you headshot crit, else it's two to the body which is easy enough to spam out

[olive ember]

@spice veldt did they ever get rid of the jank with staff lmb

[glossy ember]

many ticks also mean easy stacking of mettle/perfect timing/empathic evasion

cuz many crits

[somber dew]

I think I have both of those but I'd need to double check whenever I jump on again

@glossy ember your cursed Midna pfp is cool lol

[glossy ember]

i love my gremlin

[quasi junco]

crit strike wins again

[somber dew]

Sassy goblin woman energy

[minor verge]

@short lodge I had a similar staff with a pretty good base stat roll and went for the skill combo you advised, what do you think

(Unyielding/Unrelenting +25 / Unarmored +20) sorry for german game

[spice oar]

You guys think we are getting new staff MKS?

We have to, right?

[nocturne badge]

it's ok, ideally you want crit higher but that's still good enough for the hardest missions

i was using worse for a long time

[glossy ember]

shame no flak damage

still fine tho

[short lodge]

yeah, looks fine

[nocturne badge]

best perks are flak/maniac/crit chance imo

[short lodge]

crit bonus is one of the worst stats to dump, but can't fix that

[minor verge]

had to swith out run and gun and terrifying barrage level 2 sadly

[glossy ember]

ouch

[nocturne badge]

you can always come back to it later and roll some new ones

[glossy ember]

you'll be fine tbh esp right now with the armor roulette

you won't hit flak as much as before so unyielding/unarmoured is fine

[idle aurora]

Update info only says about new marks, not brand new weapons, but we'll see

[spice oar]

That's what I mean by staff MKS

[idle aurora]

Ah, you said marks

Let's just cross fingers that's all i can say

[echo turtle]

What do you think of this?

I'm thinking to maximize scier uptime with the CDR? And squeeze out tons of toughness DR at the same time

[lunar hollow]

warp charges doesn't give the cooldown reduction for scriers unless you start it at 100% peril

[glossy ember]

yeah my big issue with CDR for scrier is that cooldown doesn't tick while scrier is active, so lots of CDR is wasted 😦 it'd be good otherwise

[echo turtle]

Yeah it's bugged rn

Doesn't the CDR take 3 seconds off the score cooldown?

[minor verge]

thing is i main purg staff and surge is just for fun helping my lower level buddys to get some change sometimes, this is my current purg, 25 unarmored & infested, ive been told the cloud radius could be bigger

[glossy ember]

psykinetic aura especially, it'd be op if it ticked during scrier

[echo turtle]

OH the CDR on spelites

Damn

[glossy ember]

yes the base

yeah i meant psykinetic

[echo turtle]

That is a problem shoot

[glossy ember]

also if cdr aura is bugged it's still 17.5% cdr

rather than 10

so more than 3s

[echo turtle]

Ok, that's at least something

[glossy ember]

you'll also hate playing without mind in motion, but you'll notice that yourself

[nocturne badge]

cloud radius is oof cause that affects how far it shoots, and the lack of warp nexus also hurts

[echo turtle]

5 seconds off is good, as that's 15 seconds without the buff instead of 20

[wheat quartz]

damage :(

[echo turtle]

I don't use it now, but I do like it when it's on

[glossy ember]

you'll be quelling a lot more than usual

[echo turtle]

Yeah, Ok cool thanks for the tip

[glossy ember]

in any cases

the build should work

[nocturne badge]

1 damage point is only ~2 damage on the right click, or 3 on a crit, so that staff is just fine. the worst part i'd say is the carapace line

[glossy ember]

shame about the crit aura since my goal is to make the gambling aspect go away as much as possible, but CDR might be in truth as much damage gained off being able to cast scrier a few more times per mission

also you're super tanky

[echo turtle]

So you get much mileage out of perilous combustion on that build?

[glossy ember]

it's like 2.5% to 10% of your ranged damage, it varies too much per mission that I legit can't tell you

[olive ember]

Perilous combustion in general is broke as shit

[short lodge]

PC is too fucked up not to take on every psyker build tbh

unless you think it's too broken

[glossy ember]

damage is damage so it's always nice

but my issue is how inconsistant it performs for me

[echo turtle]

Does scriers gaze and warp rider affect soul blaze damage?

[short lodge]

yeah, but it's Uncanny that really cranks it

[echo turtle]

Yeah, it's hit or miss

I'll try with and without and see how much it changes

[olive ember]

Perilous on voidstrike just lets you kill everything tbh

[glossy ember]

my last match today, look at the 15k, that's from pc lol

[echo turtle]

Void reach's out to specials a bit differently

[static needle]

Should I go unarmored dmg on voidstrike with surge and warp nexus?

[glossy ember]

that's basically nothing compared to my total or just ranged damage

[echo turtle]

Is that 15k from prrilous

[glossy ember]

yes

[echo turtle]

Ah that's not a lot

[cloud heron]

i'm a level 130 psyker and only just now learned that you can convert a BB right click into a left click if you momentarily hold both buttons

[glossy ember]

But it can also go up to 40k, like in my other scoreboard

so wide gap in perfs

[olive ember]

It’s basically how many elites n specials you kill and how grouped together they are

[glossy ember]

the thing is in both scoreboards I was top elite killer