psyker-class

[proven stirrup]

You're standing on the floor next to the rug and being pissy that they didn't put it where you wanted to stand

[spice veldt]

depends on the enemy that you're hitting with the vstrike

[solar sand]

i was hitting maulers up front and it was hitting 3 tops

[severe folio]

If the state of the game is equivelant to us complain that the rug isnt where it is on the floor for you then I can see why you think the game is very fine as it is right now

[spice veldt]

maulers and scab ragers have something along the lines of 10 hitmass

[woeful patio]

The game only became remotely marketable after patch 13 because we had what was intended player power

[spice veldt]

so you're only going to hit two maulers at best with the epicentre

[wanton sandal]

i think it depends on mass as well

[spice veldt]

dreg ragers have 5 hitmass, so you'll hit 3 of them

and so on

[wanton sandal]

yea what acrotash said

[severe folio]

keep that attitude up i can't wait to see where the game goes from here on

[tall mango]

i wish vet wasnt as mid as he was rn

keystones and tree still need work

cause FUCK its bad

[severe folio]

Im sure that it will go just fine

[solar sand]

vets fine

[tall mango]

everyone else has so much comfort weaving around the tree and spending their points as they want

[solar sand]

but the keystones/tree needs work

[tall mango]

vet doesnt get that luxury

Vet still has the most nodes out of anyone

and a lot of those nodes are REALLY good

[proven stirrup]

The game will go where ever they want it to go

[spice veldt]

it's a fairly simple fix for vet at least, and it's at least something that seems to be worked on

[woeful patio]

Dont worry bro, in the arbitrary second part of the Carnival update that they split to drip feed content Im sure Veteran will get yet another keystone overhaul

[proven stirrup]

If that happens to be into the ground, oops, oh well.

Life goes on

it's a god damn game

[severe folio]

you sound like you dont care about the money you spent

[tall mango]

thats an awful mentality ngl

[woeful patio]

Average Consoomer

[severe folio]

this isnt the food you ate or the restaurant you visit

its a product that sit in your house for as long as you want it

[tall mango]

ah man this burger has dog shit in it, oh well i already paid and its what they wanted to do

[proven stirrup]

I spend my money how I please

[severe folio]

its literally permanent by your choice

[tall mango]

guess ill just accept it

[light latch]

Technically you dont own it

[severe folio]

yeah thats the problem isnt it

[proven stirrup]

I don't lurch because of FOMO tactics and perfectionist standards.

[severe folio]

you paid for it but you dont own it

[light latch]

You just upset over a video game

Lifes rough

[proven stirrup]

Yeah, game is pretty scuffed and feedback is valid and merited. I give it all the time.

[severe folio]

Im upset over the money I SPENT

[tall mango]

perfectionist stanards
asking for what was advertised

[light latch]

Nah dog

[tall mango]

shut the fuck up lmao

[proven stirrup]

But I'm under no illusions it will make any difference

[light latch]

You just malding like a child lmao

[wanton sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[woeful patio]

Bro this isn't even perfectionism FatShart literally developed better systems than this in V2

[severe folio]

This is not just game this is on anything that you make money, paid for

[tall mango]

V2 crafting was, something

[proven stirrup]

Yeah and they wanted to do something different

[woeful patio]

3 steps backward then 2 forward to save face

[severe folio]

Maybe if you start making money you'll appreciate where you spent it more

[tall mango]

neither are better than the other

[light latch]

Game is fine, dont treat it as an addiction and move on in life not hard

[proven stirrup]

We both know Fatshark is only so good at this

[severe folio]

fukin

[proven stirrup]

Look at VT2 at launch

[severe folio]

I cant talk with you Ringer

you talk like you dont care where your money is put

[light latch]

Addicts have a hard time admitting things

[proven stirrup]

I sure do care. Which is why I buy what I wont and don't what I dont

[woeful patio]

Wow it's almost like having experienced mistake in the past IN THEORY should prevent those same mistakes from occuring in the future

[severe folio]

Very odd that you are projecting that image to us

[tall mango]

Bro i didnt play this game for months because of how bad it was to play at times

[severe folio]

because we aren't the one still playing the game

[proven stirrup]

I bought this game. I've bought exactly one cosmetic cuz I liked it

[severe folio]

or defending it

[tall mango]

why are you calling us addicts for wanting a better game?

[proven stirrup]

I've spent nothing since

Don't care to

[severe folio]

Im pretty sure only addicts defend the shit they are stuck into

[radiant sleet]

I have a friend who spent 6k on a game he quit a month later and he is not that rich. Whales be wilding

[tall mango]

what kind of backwards logic is that?

[severe folio]

And your defense is, calling us addict ?

[light latch]

You think you control the direction of the game

Holy cope

[tall mango]

??????????????????????

Bros got chaos demons whispering in his ear the way hes speweing nonsense

[severe folio]

I dont think I am controllign the direction of the game, I am complaining about the direction of the game

Which I can, because I Paid for It

I didnt receive it for free

I didnt receive my money to buy it for free

[light latch]

You should be more upset with yourself sepnding the money

Than the product

Bad choices

I bet you pre order games

[vapid lichen]

i did

[severe folio]

Your mentality is the kind where if you are robbed you would blame yourself for letting yourself robbed

before prosecuting the robber

[light latch]

Why would I put myself in a situation to get robbed

[potent echo]

Game is fun though ngl

[severe folio]

See, just as i said

[light latch]

Why would you put yourself in a situatiuon to get this upset

over 40 bucks

[severe folio]

Yeah, not gonna discuss with you buddy

[vapid lichen]

i got the game for free and im having fun rn but ill just quit if i get bored

[severe folio]

we are on an entire different spectrum

[light latch]

You just really upset over 40 bucks and I bet you eat fastfood atleast once a week

[vapid lichen]

u already spent the money and the game'll stay in ur library for the forseeable future
if it's bad just play another game, it's not like this is an mmo with a sub fee

[severe folio]

Very creative

[woeful patio]

"You don't agree with me so I'll attack you personally"

headass

Yeah dude I'm literally a Skaven, I eat corncobs vertically because I don't like the current state of the game

[light latch]

Have you purchased a soda before? Did you complain that the soda provides nothing?

[proven stirrup]

Welcome to internet gaming debates

[severe folio]

If the game I paid for, or invested into, is just going to be bad, or stay bad

[proven stirrup]

They never go well

[severe folio]

Then why am I paying for it

[cyan notch]

is it that time of year again i didnt know it was december already where everyone was in doomer mode

[light latch]

Invested what

[clear heath]

true, just stop paying for it

go refund

bad game

[proven stirrup]

You're not paying for it

You paid for it

The money's gone

[light latch]

You didnt invest anything into the game

[proven stirrup]

Bad buys are a part of life, sistren

[vapid lichen]

if you ever get bored, just play an "overwhelmingly positive"-rated indie game instead

hasn't failed me yet

[severe folio]

And I guess we are in the time where bad buys remain a bad buys anyway

It's not like the dev dont have control over how they can improve their game

or listen to feedbacks and change things out

[proven stirrup]

Yes

yes they do

they always have

[light latch]

Have changes been made to the game for the better?

[vapid lichen]

i think purg is being sarcastic

[proven stirrup]

The item you bought doesn't magically change to suit your whims, scarlet witch

[severe folio]

We are talking about a fukin game and you already have the abandon mentality

[fluid knot]

What gibberish is going on in here?

[proven stirrup]

Yes, and that applies to many games even now

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[severe folio]

So what if it's something even more significant than a game

for example a house for say

[vapid lichen]

holy

[severe folio]

oh fuk, i paid for this house but its fukin suck

[proven stirrup]

the game you paid for is the game you get when you paid for it. It CAN change, for better or worse, but what you get is what you gwt

[severe folio]

i guess ill just find another one instead of IMPROVING IT

[woeful patio]

Why listen to feedback when you can recolor cosmetics to sell full-price

[spiral mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[fluid knot]

Oh its a cosmetics discussion, how dull, goodbye

[light latch]

brother what did u do with your entire summer that you have 3500 hrs

[woeful patio]

Begone

Leave while you can

[severe folio]

I should do that

[cosmic sigil]

omens from crab?

[spiral mist]

I wasted it harder than Russia's winter wasted Napoleon

[severe folio]

before I become an addict and stuck in an abusive relationship with this game while still think it's barely sunshine and rainbow enough

like some people here

[proven stirrup]

You can leave now

[spiral mist]

No

[proven stirrup]

That's be cute if I were talking to you

[severe folio]

If I leave how am I going to see the moment when you realize you want your money back

[spice veldt]

nah, just the general pattern of vet's stuff being worked on

[severe folio]

No I can just, stay away from the game instead

[light latch]

The money is gone

[clear heath]

idk who you're even talking about. This server is like complaining 99% of the time

[spiral mist]

If Darktide has a million players , then I'm one of them.
If Darktide has one player, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Darktide has no players, that means I'm dead.

[spice veldt]

and given how many people really do not like vet's tree bloat, I expect it to be fixed

[proven stirrup]

But this is not going anywhere. You just want to be vindicated for just not being pandered to in the tightest of margins

[clear heath]

no one here is constantly praising the game

[fluid knot]

Almost certainly yeah

[cosmic sigil]

you mean the multiple fixes we have seen recently?

[clear heath]

what are you even arguing against?

[proven stirrup]

So it's fine for us to move on to actually interesting, productive conversation now

[clear heath]

game bad

[spice veldt]

ye

[clear heath]

we've all just gotten used to it

[fluid knot]

All doom an gloom for no reason, its a fuckin game dudes, if you're not having fun, walk away for a bit

Like damn

[proven stirrup]

Apparently it's not that easy

[woeful patio]

Criticism can be productive, as generally its by people that WANT to see the game succeed

[light latch]

Need that vidya game fix into the veins

[severe folio]

idk about you but yes a very simple point, some people just say game good so I said no

[proven stirrup]

We get that, but there's a fucking limit

[fluid knot]

It literally is. You play something else, or god forbid.. You go outside

[proven stirrup]

Annoying the rest of the chat with your petulant bitching is well past that

[cosmic sigil]

just change character or loadout if you are bored

who cares about cosmetics?

[proven stirrup]

It was sarcasm, fam lol

[untold niche]

whats the point of creeping flames?
full stack (6) and i can't even kill the dreg

[fluid knot]

I know, i just wanted to use the outside line

[light latch]

Complaining about 40 for tide when you have 400 dollars of steam game sales you will never play kinda based

[woeful patio]

Petchulant Bitching isn't Criticism

[severe folio]

Yes i dont want to touch grass, I just want to talk about how bad the game is, ooo boogy me, so much beneath you because you dont care

[spice veldt]

wide area, and being able to stack on top of existing soulblaze

[cosmic sigil]

even crafting is not the end of all, you can do damn with suboptimal weapons

[spiral mist]

Now that I think about it, If i worked minimum wage, id get $15 USD an hour. So for the 3.5k hours ive wasted on Darktide i could have gotten 52500 USD instead.

[spice veldt]

your ult goes up to a 30m-long cone

[untold niche]

oh it increases the area?

goddam :o

[spice veldt]

nah

the ult is that big by default

[fluid knot]

Game has its issues, but its not end of life, just let em cook. Its in way better a state than it was 4 months ago

[spice veldt]

just that the stagger decreases with distance so you don't notice it being 30m in practice

[severe folio]

Still not enough, still not $40

[untold niche]

but thats assuming whatver you going to VS have stacks already right :v

[proven stirrup]

By your standards.

[light latch]

Whats your paypall

I will send you 40 usd right now

[fluid knot]

How many hours you put into it?

[lunar hollow]

didnt the range used to be longer or am i stupid

[severe folio]

Well its def enough by your standard

[vapid lichen]

6 stacks of soulblaze to everything in a massive 30m cone is pretty good

[proven stirrup]

You're not convincing anyone else here, least of all with your condescending stance.

[spice veldt]

yeah, it certainly requires building around it or running certain weapons

[untold niche]

i usually VS if i accidentally over 100 or too much mobs too close to me @spice veldt

[spiral mist]

can u send me $40

[severe folio]

abour 300

[spice veldt]

nah it was always 30m back in the days (ur stupid)

[light latch]

You got your moneys worth

[fluid knot]

I would say you got your money's worth then tbh, not a lot of games have a 300 hours lifespan

[lunar hollow]

wow rude how could u call me stupid i would never do this to myself

[spiral mist]

cant deny that

[severe folio]

I played warframe for 2k and that game is free

[proven stirrup]

But apparently wipes powder from nose we're addicts

[spice veldt]

i know that @plucky flax and others run it and will remark on it better
Blazing Spirit trauma + venting shriek is the one popular combination I've seen

[severe folio]

I expect if i have to paid 40 then it should at least be more than 4k

[fluid knot]

Oooh can i have some? Been years now

[severe folio]

but that's to each individual

[light latch]

Warframe free biggest cope around

[untold niche]

so basically must take blazing spirit as well?

[vapid lichen]

4k hours out of a $40 game? r u crazy

[spice veldt]

yeah a blazing spirit trauma

[woeful patio]

Bro I got 6k out of a free game

[spice veldt]

since blazing spirit on staffs has a cap of 6 stacks

and Creeping Flames has a cap of 31 stacks

[fluid knot]

I've only ever played one game where i got more than 2K hours out of it, in 30 years

[severe folio]

to each of themselves, I mean I dont think game hours even matter since different person does thing differently

[spice veldt]

so the flow is to apply 6 stacks with trauma -> venting shriek to put 6 more stacks

[vapid lichen]

the only kind of game that can sustain 4k+ hours is usually live service

[clear heath]

honestly i don't really like equating hours spent to value out of a game.
If anything, hours can be considered an extra cost

[untold niche]

so sorry. so if im taklinga voidstrike staff with this build
i should just change green nodes to red nodes? @spice veldt

[severe folio]

do i have a news for you about what Darktide want to be

[clear heath]

I've had 100 hour games that have left a better impression than 1000 hour games

[severe folio]

agree

[vapid lichen]

but there are a ton of games that are like $20 that can get you maybe like 20-100h or gameplay and are fucking fantastic

[woeful patio]

Time YOU spent on it or the time it takes to "complete"?

[spice veldt]

as in shifting points from your blitz upgrades to your ult upgrades?

[untold niche]

sorry the image took some time to upload

[clear heath]

Time i've spent on it

[spiral mist]

not that crazy

[severe folio]

56 hours on Hyperlight Drifter was better than 2k hours on Warframe

[wanton sandal]

you're taking fire talents without wildfire?

[woeful patio]

Gotcha

[untold niche]

@spice veldt sorry the image took some time to upload

[vapid lichen]

hey u got like 450-ish hours to go

[fluid knot]

If you want a game you can sink thousands of hours into, might i recommend DayZ?

[clear heath]

I've only spent about a hundred hours on hollow knight.
Still my favourite game of all time.
Darktide doesn't beat it for me even though i have 900 on darktide

[spiral mist]

ye, ill be there by the end of this year

[severe folio]

200 hours

[spice veldt]

I don't have much familiarity past this point so you'll have to wait on somebody who does run a soulblaze vstrike build

[vapid lichen]

in a month? damn

[fluid knot]

Thats it? Disappointing

[severe folio]

thats all it worth for me

[untold niche]

i've been told wildfire sucks because its spread evenly

[severe folio]

But like i said, dont value it by hours

[wanton sandal]

oh does it? daMN THAT sucks

[severe folio]

different person play a game with different hour

you cant quantify it with it

[vapid lichen]

dont u need both wildfire and combustion to run a proper soulblaze build

[spice veldt]

if it's getting to the scale of a thousand hours, i think you can say that you got a good amount of value from it though

[severe folio]

yeah well darktide isnt 1k for me

[light latch]

Maybe he just left his PC on in game for 500 hrs

🙂

[lunar hollow]

i have hated every moment of my darktide experience. i have ran out of content after 2000 hours. i would enjoy a refund

[severe folio]

maybe you eat french fries through your nose Ringer

[solar sand]

i have 250h into it, had it since launch, about 60h before 13, im happy with my $40

[fluid knot]

Then no point complaining about it to players which do see that value, you're wasting your own time

[severe folio]

this time wasted is better than wasting on darktide

[wanton sandal]

waiter, waiter! i finished my 2000 hours, i'd like my money back!

[lunar hollow]

TRUE

[woeful patio]

Game was definitely mishandled 100%

[fluid knot]

Oh c'mon, thats infantile as fuck If you wanna whine about something fine, but dont make childish excuses like that 😂

[solar sand]

i can put 5 thousand hours into league, or i can put 5 thousand hours into putting my thumb up my ass, both are equally productive, whats it matter what game the hours go to

[severe folio]

hahahaha

[vapid lichen]

plate is empty and still complaining to the chef about the meal

[untold niche]

MISTAH JOSHO

[wanton sandal]

def but it's shaping to be a great game

[woeful patio]

Only took a year

[untold niche]

josho josho josho

:(

[spice veldt]

i ate josho

[clear heath]

I think most people here are tired of seeing people come in just to complain about the game at this point

[severe folio]

So why are you guys comparing a game, which has a much longer lifespan than a meal, to a meal

[proven stirrup]

Yeah

Yeah we are

[woeful patio]

Then block them and move on

[untold niche]

spit him out i need to grill him for build advice

:v

[proven stirrup]

It's tiresome

[clear heath]

Like pretty much everyone was complaining about the game for the first 10 months of the game being out

[spice veldt]

no

[woeful patio]

And it was warranted

[proven stirrup]

We're not all bitter to such a degree

[wanton sandal]

i thought we filtered out everyone who didn't like it months ago

[untold niche]

how could this happen to me.mp4

[proven stirrup]

LOL

[clear heath]

Perception got more positive after talent tree update

[severe folio]

WEll I guess the amount of people who dislike it grow everyday

[wanton sandal]

that thanksgiving sale musta hit hard

[woeful patio]

And it was due for sure

[proven stirrup]

Yeah the talent tree update is a big deal

[woeful patio]

Talent Update saved the game imo

[light latch]

The ratings go up everyday

[wanton sandal]

real

[woeful patio]

Actual build variety adds so much

[proven stirrup]

Yep

Which I'm glad they opted to do this this way

[echo turtle]

I just had a smite psyker talking shit about me using a gun and assail saying I was stealing his kills 😂

[solar sand]

i played both betas, i thought the game had a wonderful base and amazing gameplay, the rest was uh, not perfect

[wanton sandal]

how do we break it to him 😭

[lunar hollow]

ur points are stretched fairly thin here, i would be inclined to drop the 6 warp charges and maybe the upgrade before it to grab those two

[fluid knot]

It helped, but still a ways to go with balancing

[lunar hollow]

but it depends how much ur valuing soulblaze

[light latch]

assail users are not welcomes here anymore

[woeful patio]

I agree

[lunar hollow]

because if u dont really care for it the venting shriek upgrades are meh

[woeful patio]

Zealots shouldnt have access to Loner

remove it from the game

[proven stirrup]

They were initially gonna try and shoehorn in the VT2 profession system but given how the classes were built, I didn't see that working very well

[fluid knot]

Nah, Loner is fine

[woeful patio]

Naw

[spice veldt]

i can't believe loner would make zealots run off

[woeful patio]

Terrible

[proven stirrup]

So they bit the bullet and made something different

[clear heath]

The game was just bad for the first 10 months.
Peak player count was like 5k for several months in a row. Game being bad is just old news that's just recently fading away

[spice veldt]

surely this has never happened before the skill tree update

[fluid knot]

Its outliers that Psyker an Ogg have with damage output that need to be dailed in a bit

[wanton sandal]

tbh is emphatic evasion worth it?

[proven stirrup]

Which took too damn long but as we all know, Fatshark isn't the best at this

[spice veldt]

surely zealots running off has never been noticed to the point of being a community meme

surely not

[wanton sandal]

i would switch out the damage aura for cooldown aura in any case

[lunar hollow]

with a gun like laspistol or iag its big value

but voidstrike

ehhhh

[vapid lichen]

smite
kills
tell them to pick one

[untold niche]

wait, drop 6 warp charges and upgrade before it just so that i can keep soul blaze on VS?

[severe folio]

I hope they make more decision like the talent tree update then, sine its clearly improving their rating over the month

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. its almost like its always been a thing regardless of Loner's existence

[lunar hollow]

it's 8% damage and an insignificant amount of cooldown reduction

[woeful patio]

They made an entire system to encourage players to stick together so they don't get a repeat of V2 Zealots/handmaidens running ahead and soloing the map or dying alone

Then make a perk that negates the entire system

[lunar hollow]

you're getting terrible value out of the 10% chance on soulblaze kill if you're not running purg staff too

[woeful patio]

why

[echo turtle]

Straight up,

I said to him, hey you know smite deals like no damage right

[wanton sandal]

im sure they will, vermintide 2 worked out well

[severe folio]

after 2 years

[echo turtle]

His response was, how do you have true level 300 and not know how the class works

[fluid knot]

You're still meant to stick together even with Loner, its there to support clutches vs ranged heavy maps

[lunar hollow]

nobody EVER complained about knife zealots already trying to do this

[spice veldt]

the coherency system is pretty whatever ultimately anyways regardless of loner

[echo turtle]

Weirdly aggressive for a player who clocked 300k total damage

[spice veldt]

like unless you're vet and you're running survivalist, basically no one cares about auras

[woeful patio]

Gun 😔

[light latch]

Surely those 2 years are not spent waiting for darktide updates

[woeful patio]

Zealot regains so much toughness with fighting that loner isn't neccesary for survival

[fluid knot]

Lemmie show you a scoreboard where i had to clutch hard, it only worked out because of Loner

[woeful patio]

Your scoreboard is meaningless to me

[clear heath]

zealots are gonna be able to run solo regardless of whether they have loner

[severe folio]

It might be 2 years spend waiting for darktide to finish updating

[wanton sandal]

bro u know they can kill trash right? it ONLY takes nearly a full peril gauge to do so. smh, learn the class, learn 2 play, learn 2 breathe, uhh, ratio

[vapid lichen]

the ogryn heavy attack aura staring me in the face while i trauma at my own feet for the entire match

[light latch]

People who want to show off scoreboards are why it was removed

Thanks guys

[untold niche]

so sorry, i thought +4% damage per stack for an extra 4 stacks?
so its not 16%?

[woeful patio]

Scoreboard should be vanilla tho

[wanton sandal]

it pains me to see smite psykers try to kill w/ smite instead of just thrwing around the trash and CCing the big bads 😭

[lunar hollow]

6 stacks is an extra 8% additive damage

vs 4 stacks

[light latch]

It should, but chuds ruined it for everyone

[fluid knot]

It helps a fuckin lot, I suggest you readjust your veiwpoint on it, it makes no odds to if players are gonna run off or not, a shit player is a shit player no matter what skills they take

[woeful patio]

Smite CAN kill chaff but it definitely isn't ideal by any measure

[untold niche]

i misread it as 8 stacks, my bad :v

[lunar hollow]

16% vs 24%, which has no bearing on the game unless u can math out a specific BP it hits

[solar sand]

people who spam to knock down are the worst

[lunar hollow]

ah lol

[fluid knot]

If it wasnt in the game, you'd have the same people doing exactly the same thing

[severe folio]

thats not wrong sadly

tehy never needed loner to encourage what they already doing

[vapid lichen]

i have a knife loner zealot build and i really like it
i start regenning toughness like at most half a second after taking damage thanks to it

[echo turtle]

Yeeeeah, except trash wasn't getting cleared by it, I'm not going to sit and wait and hope he's gonna get it all killed to move up

[wanton sandal]

spam maybe, but there's a lot of value in knocking down a horde of chaff to get breathing space

[severe folio]

loner in some part may reinforce it after it exist, but at part it also remedy them

[woeful patio]

OFC it helps with survival as it allows them to constantly regenerate toughness with no mechanical input, my qualm is that it FURTHER ENABLES a class thats already incredibly mobile and durable to roam farther from the group

[untold niche]

basically, if it hits BP, i keep that one, and exchange the VS nodes for the top right nodes?
else, do waht you said.

[echo turtle]

Funny though, he was crying about me stealing his kills, then mocked me when I said, are you looking at our damage?

[fluid knot]

but again, good players wont run off and try to solo, thats bad players, and again, they would be doing it anyway. the skill has basically no bearing on it

you cant fix stupid

[lunar hollow]

basically i wouldn't ever take the 6 charges node, and there's enough elites/specials that i don't think u really need the node that increases charge gain

so i would dump those two to grab the nodes u wanted

[echo turtle]

So odd to cry about kill steals then berate me for saying scoreboard

He was also throwing shade immediately because I brought a gun, actually pretty pathetic lol

[spice veldt]

being far from the team is inherently dangerous anyways for reasons besides coherency

[untold niche]

okeh tenks bos

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. dogs, trappers...

[untold niche]

love u

[lunar hollow]

np

[echo turtle]

They tried to invite me to their party to keep talking shit after 😂

[untold niche]

[lunar hollow]

ai director moment

[solar sand]

i dont like knocking things down in any situation, especially a support role, the knockdown is overkill imo, speaking as someone that uses smite often

especially when smite is the best horde clear in the game anyway

[woeful patio]

If a bad player sees a skill that says "You don't need to stay near your team" they're going to not stay near the team and feel justified, rather than making the subconcious or concious decision and being punished for it

[lunar hollow]

i will take trauma staff pub psykers flinging shit around over smite idiots stunning shit in place pointlessly any day

[spice veldt]

🙂

[lunar hollow]

because i can quickly adjust to enemies entering a stagger state

i cannot adjust to some jackass holding guys still and randomly deciding to let go

[untold niche]

wait,
so in your opinion does wilfire actualyl suck,
or more like a "idk what else to get so i take this one" node

[fluid knot]

Let them feel justified, then the game will dickpunch them back into reality a few hundred meters down the line, it doesnt change how they'd play if they're gonna do it anyway

[lunar hollow]

because i have no idea when that is going to happen, and what the enemies will do after

[severe folio]

on the other hand if they dont see a skill that reinforce their playstyle, they may or may not adjust themselves accordingly

[lunar hollow]

if you have a point, it's cool

it's not super high value but it does spread soulblaze and gives u a bit extra horde damage

[severe folio]

did someone mention wildfire

[bleak tulip]

oh no

[lunar hollow]

it was much worse back when it had a higher opportunity cost associated with it in the 3x6 talent system

[echo turtle]

Wildfire is decent with your only source of soul blaze is vent and perolous, I noticed an uptick in total soulblaZe damage when I take the talent vs not taking it

[solar sand]

if you're not building into fire you can pass it up, but its a good take more often than not

[severe folio]

if you have a point and dont what else to take, you do better than not using it on wildfire

even when you are using fire build

[lunar hollow]

the problem is wildfire requires using a blitz that isnt assail and that life really just aint for me

[fluid knot]

I would say it was actually better then because of WnR not having a stack cap

[lunar hollow]

i like using assail as god intended as a quickswap tool

[severe folio]

well

thats a whole different problem with it

not the problem of wildfire to itself

[echo turtle]

It's easy to verify, play some games with and without it and see what % of total fire damage you do
If you do a higher % of fire damage when you take it, that average amount is likely close to what it contributes

[severe folio]

thats a talent tree problem

[echo turtle]

If you aren't seeing a difference, you know it's not working for you

[severe folio]

Rhino please for god sake

[lunar hollow]

talents are in part balanced around opportunity cost and availability so i would definitely call it a wildfire problem

[severe folio]

Spreading 141 damage to 100 pox walker to createw 1k extra damage may make your scoreboard looks better

but those 100 poxwalkers are not going to die

[echo turtle]

Running a creeping flames build, you are already going left, the opportunity cost is a single talent

[light latch]

Well they do die

[severe folio]

you are under the illusion the same way the smite pysker though

[light latch]

Or else how do you finish the mission

[lunar hollow]

i simply hate having to use brainburst so i am biased

[clear heath]

well, not actually that easy to verify if you play with other psykers.
wildfire would just take soulblaze credit from them by applying 1 stack and then taking all the credit for all the soulblaze applied after by the other psyker

[woeful patio]

To be fair, even when Im spreading fire through chaff, it isn't the flames that kill them 99% of the time, its my light attacks\

Im spending a talent point on visuals

[echo turtle]

Yeah other psykers using soul blaze would muddy the result, but get some games in without other psykers running soul blaze and you'll get an idea

[severe folio]

Your wildfire may be increasing your overall damage

[fluid knot]

Thats fair, but back then, you could stack massive numbers on stuff local to what you bursted, thusly when Wildfire did proc, you were guaranteed the full stacks on anything it procced on

[woeful patio]

But it isnt meaningful damage

[severe folio]

but in reality it doesnt increase your killcount

or your usefulness

[light latch]

Damn team game ruining my solo stats

[solar sand]

when i accidentally leave wildfire off (with a soulfire build) i absolutly notice it, it might not be making or breaking me, but i can tell and it does without question make a difference

[lunar hollow]

my favorite thing to do on ogryn with bleed knife shitters is to spam bleed heavies to steal credit for any DoT damage

[severe folio]

unless you consider lighting the enemy up is part of it

[spice veldt]

141 damage could potentially help you reach a breakpoint, though that's assuming it's ticking for the entire duration
I don't think it's negligible, but I don't see it as high impact

[echo turtle]

Like I said, look at the damage done in the scoreboard and see if you have an uptick

I found it increased my fire damage a lot

[spice veldt]

it's 1/30th of your tree nowadays so it's whatever

as long as you understand what wildfire properly does

[echo turtle]

But that's just me, with my kit in my buuld

[severe folio]

of course it increase your fire damage Rhino

Because its spreading 1 stack to more enemies

but the main problem is thats all it does

its not killing them faster

you are just tickling more enemies

[potent echo]

I think this is the 3rd time the same people are having this argument

[light latch]

What if the scoreboard mod is just a conspiracy and you are all wrong

[lunar hollow]

its happened many times

[light latch]

Nice math

[bleak tulip]

I think the problem is that wildfire is very misleading and most people dont know what it does

[severe folio]

you are tickling so much more enemies that it make your overall damage number goes higher

[woeful patio]

Yes but is this fire damage actually killing enemies, or just setting them ablaze

[ocean cipher]

can i get a build for Smite/CF/Warp Charges?

[severe folio]

well the scoreboard mod does have a problem with when it start counting your number

[ocean cipher]

also kinetic deflector is vital

[severe folio]

it only start counting when yo uget in the game, if you get into a middle game, or if you dc

[woeful patio]

Kinetic Deflector is mandatory I refuse to exist without it

[severe folio]

your scoreboard wont count accurately

[echo turtle]

I did a few games with and without, and my total damage dealt from fire was close to 20% of my total without, and in the 25-30% range with it

[severe folio]

and how much is your total kill rhino

[echo turtle]

1 talent point to deal 30-50k extra damage is fine with me

[severe folio]

do they change

your fire damage is lower, but what about your kill count

[woeful patio]

If you already know what you're going for build-wise I'd argue you should make your own, the system isn't so complex someone should need outside help generally

[solar sand]

i use this in auric

[lunar hollow]

part of the problem with measuring stat changes like this is that the ai director does not behave the same even on repeated missions of the same map

so u get higher/lower total enemy count games

[severe folio]

does anyone know how much health a poxwalker has, 500 ?

[spice veldt]

375

[severe folio]

375

4 stacks of soulblaze is 141

[spice veldt]

soulblaze deals 1.5x damage to unarmoured and 1x to infested

[severe folio]

right

[echo turtle]

One thing I see is when there is an engagement and some fire is procced, as new stuff runs into the fight fire spreads to them, so they end up at a higher total when perilous bursts and I vent again

[light latch]

This is more than 40 dollars of math

[solar sand]

i doubt anyone is concerned with wildfire for dealing damage to elites, but it helps in a horde no question

thats a lot of stacks being spread

[echo turtle]

With the way soulblaze scales, if I fave just a few more stacks on elites, it ends up being a decent damage boost

[solar sand]

even if its not gonna chain react kill everything, it will increase your horde damage notably

[severe folio]

yeah but is it killing the horde faster

[echo turtle]

It does, which makes everything die faster

[solar sand]

yes

literally yes

a horde has a health pool

[severe folio]

Im not sure if 141 damage to each enemy is going to kill them faster

[solar sand]

you deal damage

[light latch]

Do damage kill horde slower

[severe folio]

shut up Ringer

[light latch]

Can I have my 40 bucks back

Your math was wrong

[echo turtle]

People forget damage drop off from attack spillover, when that damage goes into a low health enemy, that enemy dies instead of continuing to be a nuisance

[spice veldt]

well the idea with 141 damage would be breakpoints

if it helps another weapon one-shot them, then that's nice

[solar sand]

with a horde

[severe folio]

if it helps another weapon one shot them

[light latch]

It also lights up the horde and helps everyone see better 🙂

[solar sand]

that might take things from a 2 to a 1 hit

[solar sand]

something killing in 1 instead of 2 does in fact count as faster dying

[severe folio]

141 is if they receive 4 soulblaze

how often would tha happen

[echo turtle]

Like I said though, just try it with and without and see if you find there is a difference in the ratio of blaze to all other damage. If you consistently deal a higher % of your total damage as blaze, you can see in the data that it's working for you.

[solar sand]

on a horde spreading to a bunch of enemies, often

[light latch]

Does 1 stack not do damage? Or does it only damage at 4 stacks?

[severe folio]

before you just switch to a different weapon

[echo turtle]

It does very little

[severe folio]

it only start killing at 6 stacks

at 1 stack you might as well 2 shot them with a sword

[light latch]

Well very little seems above 0

[solar sand]

im not expecting it to do anything to a crusher or a mutant, but saying it doesnt have a significant effect on hordes is just silly

[light latch]

So infact it would kill faster

[severe folio]

Im speaking this on the perspective of wildfire on a horde

[solar sand]

and you're saying that doing more damage to the horde, which it does do, is not killing the horde faster

[clear heath]

For it to kill faster, it actually has to reduce the amount of hits it takes for enemies to die.
Doing a little bit of damage is actually still 0 difference if you still need to swing twice to kill

[echo turtle]

Not really, you aren't considering damage spill over and cleave

[severe folio]

Yes because it is dealing more damage to the horde by touching more enemies, not increasing the damage to each individual enemy

[echo turtle]

Not every hit kills on contact

[light latch]

The only solution is to remove all AoE From the game and refund 5 dollars

[severe folio]

Look I have this video on how wildfire spread and how it affect a horde

This is done on a purgatus

so it will be redundant since purgatus already have such massive soulblaze

but imagine that on a weapon like blazing trauma

where you have to rely on the crit to apply 3 stacks instead

[light latch]

The man spent 40 dollars let him play what he wants

[severe folio]

keep in mind with purgatus every enemy will get 4 wildfire sb almost immediately

[light latch]

Or send him 40 dollars

[severe folio]

so with a blaze trauma, i dont think its gonna be as fast

especially since enemy are constantly being pushed apart from each other

and wildfire has a 5m range

[solar sand]

4 stacks is ~1.3 seconds on target, usually in a big horde you're spreading it around, so i suspect most targets actually dont have 4+ stacks on them

[severe folio]

yes it would have between 1-3

but look at this, you will see how quick these 4 sb stack goes to another enemy

[clear heath]

I think purgatus is ironically the worst build to take wildfire on.
You will never care about something that caps at 4 stacks

[light latch]

Can you show the horde chasing you

atleast

[severe folio]

im just gonna

ignore whatever you say from now on Ringer

for your own benefit

[light latch]

I mean

I want some action in my footage

You standing afk like a bot after spending 40 dollars doing damage does nothing for me

[severe folio]

yeah but you need sb gurantee proc to demonstrate wildfire

[sacred crane]

tried using scriers....never again

[solar sand]

actually creeping is the worst use case for it id say, as its cone is insanely big, and youll reliably hit the entire horde with 6 stacks

[digital narwhal]

Weak

[severe folio]

No creeping is very good with purgatus

[solar sand]

purgatus im not gonna have 4+ on the whole horde from just rmb

[severe folio]

purgatus cap at 16

[solar sand]

no i mean

wildfire

[severe folio]

Why are you rmb a horde with purgatus

[sacred crane]

i am literally crying, but at least seer has good voicelines for it

[solar sand]

casue rmb applies stacks at 2-3x the rate?

[severe folio]

oh wait

[light latch]

He spent 40 dollars he cant do as he pleases

[severe folio]

rmb not lmb

[severe folio]

yes you will

[clear heath]

I actually think creeping flames spam is one of the better uses of wildfire.
The cone is actually pretty narrow and pretty long, so you end up creating the stream of burning enemies far away, which then die and spreads to the enemies that you missed as they approach you.

[light latch]

NOW THATS A CLIP

[solar sand]

im not spending over a second on each target

[severe folio]

then

thats not a good use of purgatus

you want to spend at least 2 seconds on each of them

if the horde is as close as your toe then I can see you want to wave your staff around to hit them all

but after that you should not continue to do so

[tulip trench]

did they fix wildfire? last i heard it was only apply max 4 stacks and potentially all to 1 enemy

[clear heath]

a purgatus user in comparison would just be burning stuff close to them
which then spreads to other enemies close to them
which are already past 4 stacks anyways because they're near a fucking purg user

[solar sand]

its not broken, the tooltip just doesnt list the conditions

[bleak tulip]

yknow I think if in fire reborn still works the way it used to wildfire could be good to give you free stacks instantly because you set a bunch more shit just about on fire

well

"good"

better is probably the word

[tulip trench]

conditions?

[solar sand]

up to 4 stacks of soulfire, spread evenly to targets in range, as long as those targets dont have 4+ stacks already

[clear heath]

Splits 4 stacks evenly, does not bring stacks past 4, does not spread if dying enemy has only 1 stack

[severe folio]

if you dont have a massive fire generating tool like purgatus then maybe wildfire would help you get warp siph

[woeful patio]

Realistically in a mission I'm not going to be ensuring each enemy has X amount of stacks

[severe folio]

you dont have to ensure so

[woeful patio]

I'm gunna be swinging and kill them before the spread flames do

[severe folio]

youll just remember it

[woeful patio]

fair

[tulip trench]

but only applies 4 stacks max. if theres 5 enemies, 1 wont receive 1 correct?
or if theres 1 enemy it will receive all 4?

[severe folio]

youll know this horde you are blowing to will die at around 4-5 stacks

[spice veldt]

you'd also wave around purg because the cooldown of soulblaze application is per target

[fluid knot]

Ya'll still discussing Wildfire? Damn

[severe folio]

and youll know whatever got hit by creeping flame at 85 is gonna die

while they are laying down o nthe ground

[light latch]

40 dollar discussions go hard

[clear heath]

yeah it only ever applies 4 total

[untold niche]

Is soul blaze a base damage or it scales with weapon stats ? ( I k it benefits from warp damage buffs but am asking for base damage)

[spice veldt]

it has its own base damage

perks and blessings of your actively held weapon do affect it (and DoTs in general)

[untold niche]

Then if I'm not running blazing staff, is it even worth it for me to take the soulblaze on specialist kill?

[spice veldt]

it's pretty worth if especially if your build can snipe single targets well

[untold niche]

I.e. is it even worth it for me to take soul blaze

[spice veldt]

because perilous combustion scales with elite density

[tulip trench]

on higher diff ya. so many elites dying so often

[clear heath]

it's pretty strong on high difficulties yeah

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/ia4606

[clear heath]

kill 2 elites nearby each other and nearby bruisers and below will die

3 elites and gunners start dying

[untold niche]

Bruiser is the body armoured zombie?

[clear heath]

yeah

[untold niche]

2 elites is 10 stacks rigjt

[clear heath]

6

each elite kill will apply 3 stacks

[untold niche]

No way. I tried VS at full peril. The bruiser didn't even die after the soul blaze expired

Maybe it's level issue

[willow hazel]

Does your weapon have +Flak?

[clear heath]

well you can see the bruisers dying here

[untold niche]

Vs at 80+% peril. Should be 6 stacks as well.

[clear heath]

from 6 stacks

[potent echo]

83.333%

[willow hazel]

I just do 85

[solar sand]

perilous basically doesnt have a cap, so if you kill multiple elites in quick succession, the fire stacks and damage can get insane, hound packs for example will get you silly burn stacks

[untold niche]

Goddam took like 7 seconds

[clear heath]

auric damnation has a lot of big elite packs

[solar sand]

if you have enough elite density it will quickly spread insane burn damage

[potent echo]

You need some warp rider and perfect timing to kill bruisers

[clear heath]

it's not uncommon for there to just be 12 gunners standing near each other

[potent echo]

Or some perks

[willow hazel]

But they are knocked over or pathing the whole time

[clear heath]

oh yeah i guess the flak perk i had on my sword was helping

[viscid matrix]

if you want the best out of burn builds, you need to use a melee weapon with Uncanny Strike, and swap to the staff between getting 5 stacks

[clear heath]

i think i also had unstable power too

[bleak tulip]

install spinbot

[spice veldt]

if you spin too fast, there are "gaps" it seems

[bleak tulip]

at which point that makes me wonder, is purg just a collection of clouds

[spice veldt]

so not too fast and not too slow

this is the real SKILL that psyker demands

get to it

[bleak tulip]

no

[potent echo]

What is this goldilocks shit

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[bleak tulip]

I remain clicking on heads

barely

[solar sand]

like near any stream of water if you slow it down enough, there is no stream

[bleak tulip]

loudly singing along to this https://open.spotify.com/track/1jDJFeK9x3OZboIAHsY9k2?si=59d3b9f0493d481b

[potent echo]

Peee

[bleak tulip]

true skill is when you go void bowling

most skill dependent staff

[bleak tulip]

actually gotta line up the enemies

[solar sand]

only*

[bleak tulip]

I mean trauma needs apm skills to keep sliding

and shit

[untold niche]

Wouldn't that get nerfed soon

[bleak tulip]

my pinky is the size of a thumb from playing psyker

[untold niche]

Fixed *

[bleak tulip]

💪

[willow hazel]

Canceling surge right requires timing at least

[spice veldt]

possibly, but it's been in the game for a hot while so who knows

[lyric burrow]

tf you using your pinky for

[bleak tulip]

sliding

[lyric burrow]

oh do you have it on ctrl

[viscid matrix]

its been in the game since launch, its also in vermintide games

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[lyric burrow]

nvm

i see

[untold niche]

I see. Cause they fixed hand cannon I yjoogjt they might fix this too

Thought

[severe folio]

they might

[bleak tulip]

I think most players dont know about it so its not high on the priority list?

[viscid matrix]

X to doubt

[bleak tulip]

idk

[spice veldt]

they fixed the aspect of hand cannon applying even if you didn't have the revolver out

[willow hazel]

Its fun though. Every class has ways to benefit from mechanics like this.

[severe folio]

so they def might

because more players will know about it

we got different people come in knowing things everyday

[spice veldt]

the future of perks and blessings applying benefits to damage besides their attached weapon remains to be seen

[viscid matrix]

People don’t know about it, cause they take the game at face value and don’t look into it

[lyric burrow]

yeah a lot of people just

do whatever

[severe folio]

a lot of people is like that

[lyric burrow]

esp now with the increased playerbase

[untold niche]

Tbh it's more like this game is very buggy with very bad tooltips

[severe folio]

but we have new people come in everyday

more will know

and more will tell their friends what they know

[viscid matrix]

Majority think tooltips are correct

[lyric burrow]

majority probably dont understand tooltips lol

[untold niche]

There's not much tech beyond dodge sliding and for psyker, knowing that you can quell on slide

[fluid knot]

To be fair, Fatshark has issues with tooltips

[lyric burrow]

yeah its not a dig at players

[viscid matrix]

Fatshark are lazy

[untold niche]

I mean I don't think it's their fault.

[fluid knot]

A good portion of Vet mains still dont understand how Marksman's works for example

[lyric burrow]

thats probably just vet mains

[viscid matrix]

They don’t know any better and don’t bother to look into it either

[fluid knot]

dont know if its laziness, more a communication issue between the combat team and localization team

[bleak tulip]

I mean you cant judge how many people know about something from the discord, we're already the 1% no lifers here in a way

at least if you compare this shithole to reddit

[untold niche]

Yeah. I mean this is just a game :v and a coop one at that.

[lyric burrow]

reddit is the shithole wym

[bleak tulip]

and even reddit is a minority of players in any game

[fluid knot]

Now Reddit really is a shithole

[viscid matrix]

Discord and reddit are a minority

[bleak tulip]

have you been to zealot chat

[lyric burrow]

p sure reddit players only play this game out of hate

do not diss zealot chat

thats where the fun is

[bleak tulip]

degen general chat

[viscid matrix]

Nah it’s lazyness or incompetence

[untold niche]

I only engage in zealot chat if pardo or the other jum cantrope guy is online

[proven stirrup]

You can't know that

But

I opt to believe it's the latter

[untold niche]

I think there's 2 Jum right. One zoe and the other r guy called yassanito or something

[lyric burrow]

there is 2 jum

yes

[untold niche]

Yeah the yassanito guy quite edgy like pardo

[severe folio]

jum ?

[viscid matrix]

Incompetence implies the communication in the office is dogshite or the team leads are not doing their jobs
Laziness implies they know about the problems but don’t care

[proven stirrup]

And neither are confirmable by the unwashed masses

[untold niche]

Yeah.
Not the jum that is known as zoe.

[severe folio]

what is Jum

[proven stirrup]

But again, the blatant missteps they've made in the past itself are enough to know they don't run the tightest of ships

[untold niche]

There's a guy called Jum Cantrope in this discord . Two :v one is known as zoe the other yassabito or something like that

[viscid matrix]

I see tooltips that have changed slightly in the last year, but are still wrong
Like wildfire

[proven stirrup]

Hanlon's razor and all that

Honestly tooltips?

I don't think I've ever played a game that made them accurate

Like literally ever

[untold niche]

I think dota had pretty accurate tooltips

[proven stirrup]

There's just something about those kinds of readouts that are inherently inaccurate

[untold niche]

Has

[proven stirrup]

The more complex a game is, the worse it gets

[urban sandal]

poe would like a word

[proven stirrup]

Exactly

[urban sandal]

poe is sick wdym

[proven stirrup]

Their toolip numbers are have been dogshit since before launch

That's the context here

[viscid matrix]

What’s the range of nearby then?

[urban sandal]

don't need to know when the whole screen is cleared

[viscid matrix]

There is a reason poe2 is being made

Shit like that should be fixed

[proven stirrup]

And I promise the tooltips there will be just as unreliable

[severe folio]

darktide 2 in 3 years

[viscid matrix]

I wouldn’t be surprised if majority of the Darktide team have been moved away from Darktide and it has less than 10 people working on it now

[proven stirrup]

There's just too many things that factor into damage dealt to an entity in these games for them to be properly computed in one clean formula

[potent echo]

Yet another new weapon bugged
Premium cosmetic clipping
Loadouts being deleted

[severe folio]

right now ?

[severe folio]

gotta get excuse for thosr addict to think the game will get better

[potent echo]

If it's a live service they shouldn't have let anyone go

[proven stirrup]

That's not how that works, fam

[viscid matrix]

Is it really a live service at this point?

[potent echo]

Jesper probably getting regular contracts for new songs here and there

[proven stirrup]

Once the game is built, it doesn't take nearly the same amount of dedicated workers to maintain and develop for it

[potent echo]

If they know what they are doing they will rotate to a cheaper workforce doing the cosmetic pipeline

[severe folio]

ah thats where the problem comes in

[potent echo]

But this is fatshark

[severe folio]

because they ship the game out UNFINISHED

[viscid matrix]

They don’t know what they are doing

[potent echo]

European company, probably family business who knows

[severe folio]

so even after publish, they still need the same amount of workers over it

[potent echo]

I don't think they have any kind of cosmetic pipeline

Everything is done from scratch

[viscid matrix]

[potent echo]

That's why everything takes so long

[severe folio]

do you guys know of the recently made Lethal Company

[potent echo]

Meanwhile halo and destiny shits out premium stuff on a weekly basis

[severe folio]

that game shipped out with as much bug as darktide

why is it more positive

[potent echo]

Uh reviews aren't objective

And they can't be

[viscid matrix]

Halo is just relcolours and helmets, with armour in different layouts on top of standard MasterChief

[potent echo]

Yea the cheap labour just plays with sliders and materials and Wala, new recolour

New helmet with extra spiky bits, no modelling required

[viscid matrix]

Which is all of Darktide cosmetics besides paid ones

[potent echo]

And the recolour isn't even a shader that you can apply

You have to BUY the entire recolour set

Stupid

[viscid matrix]

The free set is still the worst yet, they just pinched the Illisi helmet, and the veteran rebreather and combined them
The pants are Krieg with different boots and slightly different shade
And the chest looks like bits and pieces from everything released so far

[potent echo]

The artist manually kitbashing all the assets

[fresh reef]

loving the nintendo power gloves

[severe folio]

it has expose fingers

you dont want expose fingers in the Torrent

[viscid matrix]

I kinda hate that almost everything has that stupid gold skull belt

[severe folio]

its imperium trade mark

[viscid matrix]

But why does it have to always be gold

[severe folio]

its not gold

its fake gold

hah

you think imperium gonna give you gold

what are you a captain ?

[silk hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-baumgartner-badumtss-the-office-kevin-joke-gif-15818642

[untold niche]

i want my psyker to get diamond earrings

like the true wizard he is

swag wizard

[silk hawk]

to be honest gold is probably one of the most useless metals in the wh40k universe XD

[viscid matrix]

It’s still got value to the rich, cause it’s pretty

[tulip trench]

diamonds

[ocean cipher]

whats the easiest way to get Cliffhanger

[distant quartz]

What keystone should Assail be paired with?

[severe folio]

nah if its only value is pretty

then its obsolete to 40k nobles

hell its probably already obsolete since 30k

[radiant sleet]

I have tried all three extensively with assail and personal preference is empowered psionics for sure. Warp charges were fun while I did it. Can't get into DD but maybe that's a me thing.

[urban sandal]

probably the final area in vigil station oblivium by push spamming hordes or trauma staff armour, since there are 4 narrow bridges with a bottomless pit below

[radiant sleet]

If you want to play aggro and chain kill elites with shards empsci is the way

But I have heard good things about DD especially with guns, just not my style.

[severe folio]

alright

my hatred for the game has been

exhausted

now i can suffer it again

[radiant sleet]

Well yknow what they say

Suffer not the heretic to live

[echo turtle]

Are folks finding they can keep DD up? I tried it early on and found it just fell off a lot, like old school warp charges

[viscid matrix]

Best sticking with 30s instead of 30 stacks

At least until they change it to fall off 1 at a time

Otherwise reaching 30 stacks happens once a mission

[echo turtle]

I feel like EP near doubles the effectiveness of assail, hard to pass up when that's the blitz

I'll give DD a try again though

[spice veldt]

I like DD since it also affects your other weapons

[radiant sleet]

I tried DD with assail but it just didnt feel as good to play as empsci

Maybe I did it wrong I'm uncertain

[spice veldt]

the benefit from DD is going to be pretty probabilistic and hard to measure cuz of the +weakspot and +crit damage yeah

but for playstyles that involve more weapon swapping, I'm definitely running DD

[bleak tulip]

I like DD because its way more interesting to maintain than WS and I get to have an extra talent point free c:

[spice veldt]

I've had my fair share of fun spamming assail, so I'm back onto less degenerate playstyles

[bleak tulip]

mfer youre playing crit string anal beads

how is that less degenerate

[spice veldt]

0.99 < 1

[bleak tulip]

[spice veldt]

bleh

[radiant sleet]

I'm addicted to assail/empowered psionics, it just seems to work extremely well in my IRL friend team comp and chain killing elites is fun

I did feel like mega degen in patch 13 though

[spice veldt]

i'm currently running a columnus IAG + assail + illisi build with DD for the moment, and DD is pretty sweet for finesse guns

and plays really well into my insanely greedy playstyle for elite/special kills esp with perilous combustion

[severe folio]

DD is quite hard to keep up

[spice veldt]

i have a pretty good amount of uptime when I'm not looting

[bleak tulip]

eh just stab dudes in melee

[severe folio]

well

[spice veldt]

with guns, I do have to make a more conscious decision to actually aim for heads

[severe folio]

yeah it stay up well when in combat

[bleak tulip]

there is a solid chance you get roamer melee marked and they chain

[severe folio]

but when you are walking around

[bleak tulip]

no thats what I mean

[severe folio]

hmm

[bleak tulip]

even in downtime you can sometimes keep it with roamers

[severe folio]

would say its harder to keep up than the other 2

well, than the other 1

EP dont talk

[bleak tulip]

like yeah youll lose it in elevators but whatever

[severe folio]

in that case

[spice veldt]

a more precarious economy, but it's a fairly cheap branch to enter as well and has better talents in its path

[severe folio]

is it faster to build up than WS

[bleak tulip]

not really but meh

its more damage

once its built

[severe folio]

thats true

[bleak tulip]

becasue of the weakspots and shit

[severe folio]

and the speed

speed feels good

[spice veldt]

the toughness regen is also pretty appreciable

not much but it is nice to get it

[viscid matrix]

how you get columnus iag on psyker, since i only see the mk V

[severe folio]

its just there

you mean it has never shown in shop for you ?

[viscid matrix]

nope, i see only comlumnus V

[spice veldt]

ye the columnus mk5 Infantry AutoGun (IAG)

[severe folio]

yeah

[viscid matrix]

so why dont yall call it Columnus, since its the only columnus we have

[severe folio]

huh

thats true

[spice veldt]

out of habit, cuz I also talk in other class chats

[severe folio]

actually I do call it the Columnus

I dont even know the names of the other headhunters

beside vrak and agripina

[viscid matrix]

[severe folio]

bad stability

awful perks

its joever

[viscid matrix]

i know, it bricked

[smoky fractal]

is this finesse to low?

[rare storm]

What is up siblings

How goes the heretic purging

[bleak tulip]

clumbumbus

[viscid matrix]

yes, it means you wont hit as hard when criting and weakspot hitting, also lower attackspeed

[bleak tulip]

cumlumpass

[rare storm]

Low stability = more immersion

[lethal lagoon]

Lord of the Mysteries, should be able to find the whole translation online if that's your stickh.

[spiral mist]

thanks

[lethal lagoon]

The lower stability the better.

Gun should be as crazy as the psyker.

[spiral mist]

Oh ive already read this one a while back lol

[light latch]

Id pay $40 for it though

[spiral mist]

found it on novelupdates

[lethal lagoon]

Not surprised, if you read anything translated, you've at least tried to read this.

[spiral mist]

yeah ive read pretty much everything on novelupdates haha

[lethal lagoon]

Best I can do is a free reskin of base cosmetics.

[crimson zealot]

@severe folio is psykenetic aura (CDR talent) worth it on the purg staff? Problem is you have to take BB

[severe folio]

its worth it

very good DR

you could also opt for Smite

[light latch]

It'll cost you 40 dollars to respec though

[severe folio]

if you are using other staff

[crimson zealot]

Asking for purg staff specifically

Cuz i really like the assail + purg combo

[lethal lagoon]

CDR for what ability?

[crimson zealot]

But if u take assail you can't get Psykinetic aura

[severe folio]

well

you can use BB

[viscid matrix]

its always worth taking, as long as you get elite and specialist kills

[severe folio]

if you are using assail for what I think you are planning to do

then

BB could also do the job

and no

dont take kinetic presence lol

[crimson zealot]

To kill ranged enemies mainly

[viscid matrix]

we tlaking about psyk aura not kinetic presence

[severe folio]

i know

[severe folio]

yeah bb can do it too

[crimson zealot]

Well it can kill ranged elites but not ranged normal enemies

I mean you can but it'll be slow af

[severe folio]

hmmm

then you will have to

forgo psykinetic aura

[crimson zealot]

I cri

What'd u do in an open room with a bunch of ranged normals as a purg staff main without assail? @severe folio

[light latch]

He pays 40 dollars

[severe folio]

well

in an open room

haha

I charge in and purgate them

if my purg can reach them

[crimson zealot]

Purg needs a range buff fr fr T-T

15m aint far enough

[severe folio]

but yeah

usually i use empathic evasion to charge into gunners

[lethal lagoon]

Where's my Purg bug where they accidentally let it rend armor 😡

Zealots got one 😦

[bold maple]

purg kill a pack of gunner and shotgun pretty nicely in damnation

just spray em for 2s with purge pop a bubble and wait it out

[severe folio]

purg rend armor ?

[untold niche]

is DD still bugged?

[severe folio]

thats a nasty named bug lol

[severe folio]

no

[untold niche]

i see, mr apprentice,
does it make sense to run voidstrike + DD and gaze?

[severe folio]

it actually does yes

because voidstrike can receive the benefit of both DD and gaze

because voidstrike is closest to a gun than other staff

[untold niche]

but no one does it because you will run it with a gun intead right, since guns are hit scan

thtas the only

bad thing

or is it cause hard to manage gaze and staff together

[severe folio]

its hard to manage staff and gaze

if guns are hitscan and therefore everyone will run it over voidstrike, voidstrike wouldnt be the meta staff

[untold niche]

oh

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think all guns are hitscan, at least revolver isn't.

[untold niche]

i think also with gaze, at some point you cant keep the 80% peril for the different buffs up

[untold niche]

wait wat. revolvo feels like it is

[viscid matrix]

it is, but also pierces everything

[severe folio]

with gaze you def do not want to do the 80 peril

[lethal lagoon]

I thought you couldn't get "no regs" on a hit scan weapon?

I get those all the time.

Or is it the reverse?

[untold niche]

uh, hit scan you can get no reg yes
just browse any reddit thread of any competitve FPS game

[severe folio]

what is no regs

[fresh reef]

DD and surge feels so fun to use

really taking "I'm just doing what my beloved tells me" to another level

[untold niche]

hit didnt register

[lethal lagoon]

When you clearly hit the target but nothing happens

[untold niche]

mr purg, does this scale linearly from 0-100 peril?
looking at athemghghne

[viscid matrix]

wtf is the dogshite i see running into pugs damnation today
280 white chainsword, and a 300 blue bolter

[untold niche]

a5 or just normal 5?

[viscid matrix]

normal 5