psyker-class

[untold niche]

someone showed that in zealot chat

[unborn flicker]

Damn

[untold niche]

makes it even more amusing

[fading iris]

calm down there, we need to meme into reality one curio at the time

[inland ginkgo]

lol a friend of mine told me he doesn't have it so i was wondering if you gotta be trust 30 or smth

[azure bridge]

yes 1

[north pike]

You have to play before the 17th, then log in now

[untold niche]

i read from someone in this discord you ojnly get it if you logged in before 18th

and i think that is before p13

i came in after p13

sadly :v

no mouben for me

[inland ginkgo]

oooh that makes sense

[north pike]

made my vet a smurfette

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-vanguard-pc-bundle/86360

[gloomy magnet]

ye i got trust 30, but i dont think fatshark will set this restriction

[fading iris]

it was log before nov 17

[frigid zenith]

thats hilarious becasue earlier they said the vanguard pack WASNT the compensation for that debacle.

[gloomy magnet]

Their friends may have missed the date

[inland ginkgo]

thank you, i couldn't find this

[untold niche]

you look like a classic rainbow six operator

r6 vegas

the older titles

[inland ginkgo]

yeah, he didn't have the game at that point

[frigid zenith]

Veteran Ugg boots looks stupid as fuck.

[untold niche]

what debacle. wjat ja[[ened

[frigid zenith]

They gave console players a lump sum of aquillas

and all the PC players got was a stupid beta helmet.

[digital narwhal]

Remember how the Seer Psyker said "There's a part of Zola's mind that is hidden, but I don't think Zola knows that this part of her mind is hidden, which is very strange.", how the Savant Psyker said "Last night I dreamed of two Explicator Zolas", and how the Loner Psyker says "She seems even more on-edge than normal" and that she's "fighting with another Zola"?

https://youtu.be/2mBMv2K2arc

[iron flame]

zola traitor ?

[untold niche]

i still don't have my aqualais, evne as a post p13 guy :(

[plucky flax]

Zola is a messenger of tzeentch

Let's eat her.

(For more warp power)

[azure bridge]

dude why is it always the ultra aggressive people that down the whole party

[viscid matrix]

because they usualy have stealth so agro everything then drop agro on everyone else

[azure bridge]

this time it was a group of psykers

[gloomy magnet]

this game has ...

space
survive
imposter (traitor
so this game is amogus

[azure bridge]

i think one of them msut have had a macro for their left click because they never ceased spamming it lol

[viscid matrix]

also makes sense, they were godlike for about a month, and got used to being able to play agressivly without skill

[azure bridge]

unfortunate

within the first five minutes, half the team was down, we did manage to recover and complete but still,

[quartz barn]

Mission type?

[azure bridge]

just a regular damnation

no specia modifiers

[quartz barn]

Hmm weird

[azure bridge]

no reason really

all level 30s, party was 3 psykers (myself included) and a vet

[quartz barn]

Would make sense if theyre used to regular dam and got a reality check by loading into AM with nurgle mutant horde xd

[glossy ember]

"i dreamt of two zolas..."

[azure bridge]

starting to think I might need to move into AM

[glossy ember]

also doctor said it aint carpal tunnel for my wrists so cool beans

but i need better posture

[azure bridge]

speed running players annoy me as its a very simple way to get everyone else killed, yeah don't go through at a crawl but seriously your personal score at the end isn't gonna matter if we dont reach the end

[quartz barn]

Speedrunning isnt always bad tho

[azure bridge]

if you got a premade sure, but in a pug?

[quartz barn]

Its just that most people that speedrun are bad

[plucky flax]

Eat both.

[azure bridge]

its like that zealot yesterday who insisted our psyker never use smite during a hi intensity game, where we were struggling, so they could get their penance completed

get a premade for that don't bring it into a pug an expect everyone else to shoulder your burden

[plucky flax]

[viscid matrix]

one of the things that was a good thing was putting the harder penances that require heresy or higher behind private games

[quartz barn]

Mfw i decide to run stealth vet with knife and i get complaints about not protecting the stealth zealot from gunners

[azure bridge]

I agree

I got my storm wtich chest piece from that yesterday with a group of friends

[quartz barn]

The 90 accuracy one for vet could be a private one i guess

But lets be honest heresy is easy, its only a problem if the person doing the penance barely contributed before as well

[viscid matrix]

it should be, but FS like to baby the veterans and allow them to do the hard penances in pubs

[quartz barn]

Also add solo private with bot customization pls

To avoid all this bs

[frozen fiber]

The 90 accuracy is easy, fire shotgun a run and done

[viscid matrix]

kinda hate that the free set has the same pants as Krieg set, except the boots are slightly different

[fresh reef]

"I had a dream about you, sibling. Someone shot you and you died"
https://tenor.com/bKIdx.gif

[fresh reef]

And don't forget the slightly different color

[viscid matrix]

at least the Beta Helmet matches

[fresh reef]

Got them power gloves

[marsh briar]

If you're using Assail with Empowered Psionics, is Overpowering Souls still the best ?

[viscid matrix]

yes, its always better

[summer prairie]

if you just randomly use it vs horde/shooters, you can get the other one

[viscid matrix]

even then, its still better, cause 12% is not as good as killing any elite\spec and getting a stack while still having 6% anyway

[summer prairie]

it's only elites and assail is only good against some elites

[viscid matrix]

wait did they nerf it? i swear that was elites and specialists

[plucky flax]

Only elites.

[viscid matrix]

fine ill stick with my answer earlier 😄

[plucky flax]

But it's still better than the other one.

Nah elites better for sure.

[summer prairie]

it's not

[plucky flax]

Mixed horde situation. Dreg ragers, both shotgunners, both elite gunners.

Its okay against scab rager and kinda bad against mauler.

[summer prairie]

you get nearly 2x more stacks vs horde/shooters/with creeping flames. Sure, if you primarily use assail vs elite shooter packs, it's definitely better

but it's less obvious otherwise

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, we got the new cosmetics?

[summer prairie]

I also tend to just throw all my knives out immediately and then switch back, kind of whatever if I then get my stacks back immediately due to elite kills

[untold niche]

I GOT THE MOEBIAN ARMOUR TOO

YEYE

[sand path]

Hey, how is psyker overall? I don’t understand his role on a team, does not deal as much damage in ranged as veterans, nor in melee as zealots, nor as tanks as ogryns. What is the psyker expertise?

[digital narwhal]

Funny, if anything, Psykers should be dealing more damage at range than a Veteran.
Might need some build touch ups or better weapons if you're getting outperformed by Vets at range.

[untold widget]

Bulk enemy removal

For when that entire room just has to die as soon as possible

[ornate hamlet]

Versatility

[sand path]

I need to git gut basically

[digital narwhal]

Anyway, Psyker doesn't have any specific expertise outside of raw DPS, but they have multiple ways they can be played:

• AOE is the first and easiest example to give; Blazing Spirit Trauma Staff with Creeping Flames and Perilous Combustion is the best example of this, as you can delete enemies in bulk.
• Psykers also have strong area denial with Telekine Shield, specifically the wall variant for denying space from Specialists, Smite, Trauma Staff, and Purgatus Staff to a degree.
• Versatility is another point, as you should be able to bring a tool for almost every situation needed; Psykers can do everything and anything really.
• Also, Gun Psykers have very high raw DPS, high movement speed, and immunity to ranged attacks on crit - this with Psyker's strong Toughness economy makes them strong roamers who can move in and out of coherency as needed and whenever they want.

[sand path]

How?

[untold widget]

Venting Shriek with creeping flames at max peril melts most things, combine that with Perilous combustion so that any elite or special that dies applies more flames around it, combined with your staff of choice

like Voidstrike deletes anything in a line until it hits a wall

trauma deletes a wide circle of enemies

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, Perilous Combustion doesn't trigger if Soulblaze kills the Elite/Specialist

[untold widget]

purgatus can delete anything within a cone in front that's continuous

[digital narwhal]

But luckily you can just wack them with direct damage while they burn

[untold widget]

plus with Kinetic deflection, you become a tank that uses peril instead of stamina

can block all melee except a downward overhead from crusher/mauler/boss

[sand path]

Thanks for the breakdown, i have so much to learn

[digital narwhal]

I didn't even cover all of it anyway, since there's just a lot Psyker can do.

They can be very strong in melee with crit talents, or Soulstealer if you use an Illisi Force Sword, too.

[quasi junco]

Great write up

[digital narwhal]

The main thing holding Psyker back from being bat shit absurd with a sprinkling of pixie dust is the fact that they're made of paper.

Gun Psyker is the best example of this.

[quasi junco]

My advice is don’t bring Voidstrike if you have a solid plasma/bolter vet

[digital narwhal]

You've gotta play quite precisely with such a build or you implode on hit.

[untold widget]

yeah, getting hit by anything is a mistake you don't want to make for sure

[proper raven]

So Disrupt Destiny is ass?

[quasi junco]

It’s good for gunkers

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker can be built to do a lot, including taking a fair amount of damage

[proper raven]

It's all recolors. It's insane how low effort they are.

[digital narwhal]

No, it's not ass.
The buff is good, but the targeting system is annoying.

Could use a rework on the marking mechanic.

[ornate hamlet]

Playing exclusively with a gun can be wack because you're depending on one out of four toughness talents

And on your gun to crit

[proper raven]

I'll do some field testing then. Doesn't really work in the Meat Grinder

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, Psyker can get a pretty absurd crit chance

and you have True Aim

[untold widget]

my only problem with gun psyker is, unless you have another aoe psyker on the team, you lose out on the "mass enemy removal" part

[digital narwhal]

Plus, Assail is always something a Gun Psyker should take, so Soulstealer is still an option

[quasi junco]

Take bolter

[digital narwhal]

The AI has to be on for it to target enemies

[proper raven]

Got it. Tank you

[digital narwhal]

[ornate hamlet]

Assail is still situational, specially using weapons for closer ranges

[untold widget]

Cant?

[digital narwhal]

No?

[quasi junco]

Oh we can’t use bolter? Lol wtf

[digital narwhal]

You weave Assail in and out of your gunplay and melee

Gun Psyker is best played by weaving between your resources to maintain buff stacks and upkeep consistently high DPS

[fringe sapphire]

Staff > Gun

[eager mantle]

Its...not ass but definitely fickle in getting sometimes.

[digital narwhal]

For longevity and AOE, sure.
But guns get their damage out faster and have significantly higher DPS.

[quasi junco]

Gunker is best played not on the floor. Which is where I see many of them

[eager mantle]

I love watching the monstrosities melt from scriers/laspistol

[digital narwhal]

You've gotta play pretty precisely to be a good Gun Psyker, yeah.
The issue is that the common/casual player doesn't, and so they're gonna struggle.

[fringe sapphire]

Even single target. Voidstrike is king. For some aoe too. Insane horde clear with 0% peril generated (horde)

[digital narwhal]

Guns literally have higher single target DPS than Voidstrike.

[eager mantle]

Only time I really have ammo issues as gunker is when it's monstrous specials and the director has been handing them out like candy

[azure bridge]

I'd like to think that psykers do well against everything excluding monstrosities, even on their monstrisity build other classes do it better

[fringe sapphire]

I just don't see point in gun psyker, unless you got a real spesific premade team

[quasi junco]

Yea but can a gunker kill 5 dreg shotgunners with one shot? I did that twice yesterday. Since they like to form lines

[viscid matrix]

Laspistol has amazing monstrocity kill damage

[untold widget]

Not sure much out strips a charged voidsurge weakspot crit. 1 shots crushers

[digital narwhal]

I know this is in the meatgrinder, but here's also an example of guns making you immune to ranged attacks on crit with Empathic Evasion.

[eager mantle]

It's fun and can be used with most teams

[azure bridge]

sure, but vet or zealot has better with less set up

[digital narwhal]

The benefits of guns:
Crit Rate.
DPS.
Immediate damage, as opposed to charging a Staff.

[viscid matrix]

litterely just fire and scriers and you can kill monstrocities really fast

[eager mantle]

Bruh we pop scriers and we mag dump. What setup are you talking about?

[azure bridge]

requires you to have the buff ready, and unless i've been unfortunate and played with cheaters, vets and zealots dumpster monstrosities regardless of buffs

[quasi junco]

Cheaters?

[azure bridge]

i corrected it

[clear heath]

if they're not using buffs, it's like nearly the same as us

[quasi junco]

Wasn’t calling out your typo. I didn’t know there were cheaters here lol

[azure bridge]

i mean every game has em, but thats regardless

with certain vets and zealots i see the monster hp bar, then its gone

[quasi junco]

Weakspot crit on crucius with shroud field

[clear heath]

if we're using the same gun and no one has any buffs, it's just the same

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, Zealot literally has a one shot build

[eager mantle]

Gunkers w/o scriers still compete with vets and zealots. Like whoever is being focused and other variables each class is gonna be slowed in handling a monstrosity.

[azure bridge]

yeah I've read about it, point being if you can kill a boss in one hit, and still be good at the rest of the level, does gunker boss dps matter?

not trying to sound defeatest just an honset question

[clear heath]

yeah cause there isn't always gonna be a zealot with thunder hammer on the team

[digital narwhal]

Plus, if they're all using Laspistol, Psyker should come out on top.
But why are we even comparing to other classes? You look at the class itself; Psyker has notably lower Boss damage when using a Staff, and so the option to use a Laspistol so the Psyker can contribute more meaningfully to Monstrosity DPS is pretty awesome.
This is all while still having access to Psyker Blitz Abilities, Force Swords, and your Crit Talents.

[viscid matrix]

the 1 hit kill on boss only applies to demonhost that is avoided all the time anyway

[eager mantle]

Things are fun and things are arent always going to go optimally

[digital narwhal]

CS too

[azure bridge]

fair point, but even should the boss die in two hits instead of one, and I've seen vet builds that dumpster nearly as fast

I've yet to see a psyker dumpster a boss hp bar

[eager mantle]

Yea with staves it's either brain burst or deimos to even meaningfully contribute to the boss or its handling the horde

[digital narwhal]

Exactly.

You look at the Class itself.

Comparing to other Classes is meaningless.

They don't have access to Assail or Smite, or the Illisi Force Sword, or Psyker's Talents.

You examine what the Laspistol does for the Psyker.

[eager mantle]

Even outside of monstrosity encounters, the laspistol will do work at range for a generous ammo economy and ttk for many situations all while having probably assail to mix in to deal with range.

[fringe sapphire]

Assail is my least used blitz too, so I guess I'm special

[eager mantle]

It was my least used blitz until I mixed it up a bit playing gunker. If I'm not playing gunker I'm probably not using assail

[fringe sapphire]

I just find all 4 staves so much fun compared to any gun. Not to mention the fact you dont need any ammo 😄

[static needle]

What should I change here?

[ornate hamlet]

If you pick a close-range weapon you don't want assail to just be more of that, and melee should cover the needs of the player for hordes decently if they know how to push and dodge

[digital narwhal]

Yes you do.

You still want Assail.

[ornate hamlet]

I don't and I play like that

[eager mantle]

Oh it's still fun for me. I've got good staves, just played so much that way, past few weeks has been gunker

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psykers ideally use Assail so you can clear trash enemies, such as shooters, bruisers, and stalkers, without using ammunition.

It's for the sake of extending your ammo economy.

Plus, Assail has the benefits of range still, as RMB goes out to a range of 50m

[ornate hamlet]

Headshots and trigger discipline extend ammo economy

[gloomy magnet]

[digital narwhal]

Let's not forget that it's also a quick stagger.
I use it to save teammates from Trappers, Flamers, Dogs, etc.

I have this benefit whilst still having a damaging Blitz.

(Looking at Smite here)

[ornate hamlet]

But the biggest ammo economy I have is pressing F on ammo tins

[eager mantle]

Assail is just so easy. Throw out, swap to melee on CD. Enemies at range? Quick RMB throws while being able to dodge back into cover. Setup is Scrier's/Assail/Dueling Sword/Laspistol

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, E

Ah, keybinds

[flat magnet]

Quit screaming at the ammo and pick it up

[ornate hamlet]

I'm gazing at the ammo in a manner befitting a scrier

[flat magnet]

Then quit just gazing at the ammo
The warp isnt gonna put it in your gun

[static needle]

Switch infernus to deadly accurate or switch a perk?

[ornate hamlet]

Deadly accurate, I'd say

Flak is unfortunate, but it's still flak

[static needle]

is unyielding not BiS for the gun tho?

[ornate hamlet]

Unyielding is great

[inland crescent]

do skins get back in rotation? i really wanted that leather cowboy hat 😦

[static needle]

doesnt it already do insane dmg to maniacs as is?

[ornate hamlet]

It does have a good modifier, if my MG12 is to be trusted

[obtuse walrus]

hold on

i'm cooking

Not the best per say

But still pretty cool

[inland crescent]

bro got that lvl 4 nexus shiiii

[obtuse walrus]

Imma get Surge and +25 Maniacs

and it'll be better than the one i currently have

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[flat magnet]

Lvl 4 Nexus
You Do be cooking

[obtuse walrus]

Get the funny 2 attacks on crit

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/vinsmoke-sanji-cooking-fire-one-piece-chef-gif-14488926

[flat magnet]

Psyker moment

[obtuse walrus]

and even with the low Warp Resistance

it still cooks

(I like edging my brain anyways)

[flat magnet]

Means you get more crits faster I guess

[obtuse walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kk-ok-gif-24693994

[inland crescent]

little question: do you guys really use the left click shots of staffs? those little pew pews?

[obtuse walrus]

You can fire it pretty quick

which is useful sometimes

[flat magnet]

Only for suppression most of the time

Or single gunners

[obtuse walrus]

barrel shots mostly

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[eager mantle]

Useful for when you just wanna tap fire some ranged lil shits at range or see a lone sniper or bomber. Actually can kill maniacs decently when you see them at range

[torpid whale]

B for Beati

[inland crescent]

ay i use that cape too. they need to add more of those

[torpid whale]

this is literally the only situation i could think the Beta helmet could be used for

is if your characters name starts with a B and they're canonically an idiot

[eager mantle]

I need more color options with the cape. The docket cosmetics have been severely neglected. We know you want money Fatshark but it's some goodwill to give us some more variety for dockets

[hybrid glade]

I have rock solid proof that my Psyker is just better than yours

Dont even need to hold my gun anymore

[inland crescent]

MAN, i wanted that skin, will it ever come back???

[hybrid glade]

I hope so, I dont like the rotation thing

Just lemme buy what I wanna buy, stop creating false scarcity

[flat magnet]

The warp guides your aim

Also I want that hat

[hybrid glade]

The beloved wields my laspisto

[inland crescent]

I NEED THAT HAT

[eager mantle]

Wasn't playing when this was out. Kinda hate how Fatshark has a rotating store. Be nice if the rotation just affected like whatever was on a slight discount

[hybrid glade]

Ya I agree

Dont limit what we can select, just change prices like PoE

[hybrid glade]

Hat is mandatory with dueling sword

[eager mantle]

Fatshark I'd buy more and more late to the party players would buy more if everything was a available with rotating discounts

[inland crescent]

true true

i think the current rotation is doo doo

[hybrid glade]

Same

Like there is an ogryn hat I want, but i cant buy it because rotation

Let me throw money at you fatshark

Here is the full drip

[flat magnet]

I rate it 100 peril out of 100

Is good

[eager mantle]

I need that chest piece. I love my dueling sword but the current drip I have sucks with it

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[viscid matrix]

all that says is i have money i can throw at FS 😄

[hybrid glade]

@uncut cradle Hi Mr CM. This is an entire conversation about us WANTING TO SPEND MONEY ON YOUR GAME BUT WE CANT BECAUSE ROTATION CASH SHOP

[eager mantle]

Lmao

[untold niche]

honestly psyker is exactly what i wanted
beign able to laugh at any crusher or rager
except now i get scared when people want to give me a hug

[flat magnet]

Can't even throw money to fatshark smh

[viscid matrix]

rotation cash shop is a scummy way to get people to buy cosmetics

[hybrid glade]

Oh I know

But if you want to push corporate change you have to show that demand is there

And conversations like this being seen and reported by CM is key to influencing that change, if change is possible

[viscid matrix]

heres an idea, stop buying the cosmetics in protest, and they will change, oh wait, no point, cause thousands will buy them reguardless

[untold widget]

but in their eyes, the false scarcity just incentivises you to buy every cosmetic while it's out just in case

[hybrid glade]

Ya I know the viewpoint

I jsut think its bs

[untold widget]

sure, because it's scummy

but that's business now

[hybrid glade]

If you need to create false scarcity to encourage cash shop engagement than you are fundamentally doing something wrong imho

Sure you can do that

[viscid matrix]

tbh its probably not even FS who decided the model
could believe its GW who decides it

[hybrid glade]

Entirely possible

Imagine it boys, a cash shop with more than 3 pages per class

[untold widget]

would crash the game probably

[hybrid glade]

Woah woah, its not Diablo 4

[flat magnet]

I wanna put a flashlight on my staff

[quasi junco]

lol I wanted to buy Aquillas before Tgiving but nothing interested me

[viscid matrix]

still find it wild that D4 loads everyones entire inventory and storage when you see them in the same town

[quasi junco]

They need more weapon skins and effects

[hybrid glade]

Its super wild

Ok im not losing my mind here am I, this is blurry?

[quasi junco]

Give me a bolter that shoots like a railgun.

[untold widget]

I want a warp-whip on my staff special instead of bonk. Tether to an enemy and then wiggle the aim around to cause the tether to damage

[hybrid glade]

Give me a bolter that uwus every time I fire it

[viscid matrix]

they need to stop doing so many recolours, anything not paid with real money, is just a recolour

[viscid matrix]

there is a mod for that

[hybrid glade]

I know lol

[flat magnet]

No.

Columnus mark 5 that UwU's every shot

[hybrid glade]

Just like the mod that plays the squeaky toy sound whenever you club someone

Fucking hilarious

Im doing a duelist psyker, trying to figure out what gun I want to use. So far laspistol is p good. Gonna try autogun

[untold widget]

purgatus staff that does Owen Wilson's "Wow!" every time you left click

[viscid matrix]

vraks 3 or columnus IAG

[hybrid glade]

Haha look at this

Cant even melt the pos for a blessing

[untold widget]

this is the only vraks 3 I have, dunno what to do with it tbh

[flat magnet]

I think I'm gonna be sick...

[hybrid glade]

Ok so, this I think is the blessing combo I will go for. On a gun that isnt doodoo

These are just the ones I have sitting around

Honestly, if the stats on this were better id be very happy wtih it

[pine shore]

Which do you use, shriek or shield for smite

[untold widget]

shriek

[hybrid glade]

Shriek

[flat magnet]

Depending on my build

If I want a CC / Support build
Shield

If I'm going for survivability, Shriek

[hybrid glade]

If youre spamming smite a ton nothing is swinging or shooting at you anyways

Its just raving

https://tenor.com/view/cybergoth-dance-party-deutschland-goth-rave-gif-19376446

[untold widget]

This thing might even be bricked tbh

[hybrid glade]

Loner psyker just thinks he is traveling DJ, change my mind

[flat magnet]

24 gunners on a roof would like to say hello

[hybrid glade]

Thats what you have walls for

[untold widget]

could maybe swap specialist damage for flak and one of the blessings for something else?

[hybrid glade]

And the voidstrike staff

[tame venture]

man, i need to play more brain burst to get pennances, but for the life of me i can't think up a build that justifies using it.

[untold widget]

EP brain burst is good

[hybrid glade]

BB is great

[untold widget]

especially for the dog one

[hybrid glade]

Combine with purgatus

[untold widget]

you can hold a charged EP burst until the dog jumps and then nuke it

[viscid matrix]

swap out stagger and specialists, take anything else 😄
Flak and probably Crucian Roulette

[quasi junco]

I love that the heretics take friendly fire stagger damage.

Got saved by a mutant who slammed into a crusher doing the overhead.

[ornate hamlet]

Mutants saving the player from dogs

[untold widget]

so like this

[digital narwhal]

I first test where the bullets go when ADSing at nothing with controller, and then mouse.
They both follow the sights.

I then test on an enemy when ADSing with mouse, and then controller.
It's perfectly fine on mouse, but on controller, the bullets seem to follow a different path. They don't follow the sights.

[tame venture]

usually it's flamers getting dogs off me that saves my skin

[digital narwhal]

Tfw Autogun ADS is literally broken on controller.

[viscid matrix]

yeh thats great, go try it out

[tame venture]

what's EP again?

[viscid matrix]

empower keystone

[flat magnet]

Empowered psionics

[untold widget]

gives free and faster brain bursts, take overpowered souls for chain elite dropping

[fading iris]

warp powers

[viscid matrix]

the faster isnt much, like half a second at most

[untold widget]

its faster, that's all that matters

[flat magnet]

This

[viscid matrix]

50% cast time reduction, only 1/6th at most KEKW

[untold widget]

adds 300dps

and is faster

so my statement was correct

as was yours

we're both right

woo

[viscid matrix]

gotta love FS being useless

[untold widget]

although it's .6 seconds, which is more than half

by .1 second

[viscid matrix]

3s down to 2.4 is 1/6th

[untold widget]

and it might mean you're faster than the vet who's definitely going to shoot the glowy head and steal the kill

[viscid matrix]

they gonna shoot it anyway

[untold widget]

but the main point is that the cast is free for peril

so for the penance

you can hold a charged brain burst until the dog is visible and jumping without being in danger of blowing up

which is the point of the conversation

[viscid matrix]

tbh i think BB should be thrown away, and turned into Crush, and have a 1k damage per second channel that will pulp the enemy when they die

[untold widget]

but that might be good

unacceptable

[viscid matrix]

it would make sense, and would be fun to use, unlike BB which feels way too slow and shit to use

[untold widget]

idk, chaining shotgunner nests with PC is pretty fun

[topaz dust]

i finally got cliffhanger, no idea what i did that was different

[viscid matrix]

eh i think ive just gotten used to it being dogshite for a year, i haven't actually touched it since Smite and Assail came in except for day 1 of patch when it felt meh so swapped away

[eager mantle]

BB just feels so lackluster when it's only real shine is nabbing a sniper or bomber from a long distance or its the psyker's safety weapon against monstrosities but even then it's slow and the dmg isn't fantastic. Also when the cast time is the same for a poxwalker to a gunner is the same for the same result, always gonna feel like ass

[ornate hamlet]

Assail making an effort to have the weakest sound ever

[eager mantle]

I still like the feeling of BB. Assail is still the least satisfying feeling of blitz for me

[unborn flicker]

BB is not as good as I wish

It takes too long

So all allies shoot the bb target

And then you get no bb

[ornate hamlet]

BB forces kinetic barrage and EP to me

[unborn flicker]

Yeah just to make it usable

[ornate hamlet]

Or if you're really into abilities, warp siphon

[unborn flicker]

I wish abilities and weapons could all be viable before you even get into tree stuff

[ornate hamlet]

BB shriek EP is probably the best combo to me tho

[unborn flicker]

It’s good but limited and means bb is almost not worth using unless you have those two things

[unkempt light]

mfw I only now realize how far the reach on the Force Sword's push has

[unborn flicker]

It’s longggg

You can push anything too

[unkempt light]

More than a good 5m, I just realized I can slap Trappers about to fire their net with it

[unborn flicker]

Except mutants

Yep

It’s got a nice range

[tough obsidian]

when did this outfit drop?

i didnt see it in the patch notes

[ornate hamlet]

Well, BB is a bit finnicky, but it also has really good synergy with the things that do work

[unkempt light]

I can live with that, few things can stun a Mutie mid-charge

[viscid matrix]

unannounced but today or yesterday

[untold niche]

@viscid matrix thanks for the suggestion for the build

along with the other guy

:v

[viscid matrix]

did it go well ?

[ornate hamlet]

Damn, that outfit looks basic

[untold niche]

im enjoying psyker alot now
the 30% quell speed really matters, just got it after i leveled up

[tough obsidian]

did every class get a new outfit or is it just psyker?

[ornate hamlet]

Is this what they're giving us to compensate for the mass of aquilas console players got?

[eager mantle]

All

[tough obsidian]

i see i see

[viscid matrix]

yep

[granite mauve]

best blessing for dueling sword 4 go

[eager mantle]

Yea the vanguard bundle

[untold niche]

its exactly what i want, but also is bad in the sense that if zombies close to me i panic, can't really do much
but handles ragers and crushers from range relative well
fun to manage peril and all
if rager get too clsoe stab and they die.

[viscid matrix]

at least it matches with the Beta Helmet

[untold niche]

the shirt is really nice, its a thick coat.

[ornate hamlet]

Jesus, Fatshark likes gravitating between hitting the nail in the head and slamming the hammer on the thumb

[granite mauve]

yo

best blessing for mk4 dueling swors plz

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny shred

[untold niche]

@viscid matrix but yeah, any tips for close range? :v

[granite mauve]

ok thx

[viscid matrix]

Atheneum has all

[untold widget]

uncanny strike and your choice of shred/precog/rampage

[granite mauve]

i already have rampage 4 so i'll go with that and uncanny

seems good to me

[untold niche]

i cant find the meaning of Atheneum online :v

[untold widget]

that's what I use

works for everything

[viscid matrix]

this beast of a sword can 2 tap crushers and maulers, and 1 taps most everything else

[spice oar]

is the vanguard pack out?

[untold niche]

so sorry, i meant any tips for horde close range
the ds4 i have for my current difficulty kills ragers quite well yeah, crushers is about 4-6 hit threshold i think

[tough obsidian]

probably wont use the whole new fit but i do love the mask

[untold niche]

you look like aquaman here

[tough obsidian]

[granite mauve]

whole fit is p cool

[spice oar]

thats the item shop bro

[granite mauve]

i like the white stripe on the pauldron

[viscid matrix]

dodge often, stab heads, slowly back away

[granite mauve]

pants nice too

[untold niche]

sometimes i get surrounded :v

on zealot its easy, shove, whack, make your path out

With ds4, im more of delaying my death rather than making a path out :v

[bronze hound]

Can anyone link me a good build for venting shriek, please?

[granite mauve]

and it's in uniform with other classes so i'll count that set as a win

[eager mantle]

Vanguard just gets added to your inventory

[viscid matrix]

#1158835513789272126

[bronze hound]

True. Ty

[viscid matrix]

ohh you mean the one we are posting images of atm ?
scroll up

[untold niche]

i cant wait to hit level 30 so i can play a5histg and spread soulblaze much much more

[flat magnet]

THE FLAMES SPREAD TO ALL!

[quasi junco]

So Wildfire or no Wildfire on Blaze/trauma ?

[azure bridge]

Does RMB brain burst do anything special or am I play to just use LMB?

[viscid matrix]

wildfire only useful on Blaze Trauma build

[azure bridge]

Core talent

[viscid matrix]

you can just charge it up while behind cover to insta pop somthing, in otherwords meh

[azure bridge]

I had thought about removing it to get a different talent but it's really important for spreading fire

[viscid matrix]

if you are not a Blaze trauma build, its almost useless for you and a wasted point

[azure bridge]

But... they were asking about its importance to blaze trauma..?

[fading iris]

[haughty schooner]

is this item bricked cuz of the blessings?

[flat magnet]

I'd say so

That's just...
Painful

[untold merlin]

кто хочет пати7

?

[haughty schooner]

😔

[fading iris]

I mean... could be worse

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-average-gif-14312851

What you don't one shot, takes more damage, the tier one blessing is pure pain but still usable

[untold merlin]

кто хочет на золотой уровень ?

[unborn flicker]

Speaking heretic

[tame venture]

pick&mix saying "four different elites/specials" means that they have to be different types, right?
can't do something like 4 shotgunners?

[fading iris]

Item 2 on #📕server-rules

[idle bay]

we all speaking underhive low gothic here.. under-under hive dialect of Necromunda

[idle bay]

Anyway. Check https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042833778931929109 and say that you want auric missions

[spice oar]

Is there any chance anyone knows a mod that reverts the surge and smite gore effects back to the original versions?

[idle bay]

Nothing like that poped up on nexusmods lately

But there is this thing
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/189?tab=description

[spice oar]

ahh tried that allready, but honestly its jank

[iron flame]

Want to ask about gunker since surge staff build seems to be meh now. How do gunkers well ... eh ... regen their toughness ? Like since a lot of build go with quelling peril to give toughness

[digital narwhal]

Mettle

also by weaving in Assail with Soulstealer

also

I just had a stressful game

[flat magnet]

Oh by the emperor

Oh LAWD

[iron flame]

Ahh gunker play with assail? Shame. I want a smite build

[eager mantle]

I mean...you can. It's just assail is the supplement of dmg to keep your ammo use in check.

[flat magnet]

Smite still builds a decent amount of peril
2 of my gun psyker builds use it

Although I don't normally have that many issues with toughness

[flat magnet]

And yea assail helps with ammo as they say here

[idle aurora]

New recolour for that TV helmet that was added in a while back

[iron flame]

Hmm it is that or I gamble with more voidstrike staff I guess

[digital narwhal]

Assail is how you manage shooters, bruisers, and other trash mobs without using ammo.
You can use either your gun or your Assail for Elites and Specials, depending on what you need at the time.
Melee is usually for single target damage, so a Duelling Sword, Deimos, Combat Axe, or Combat Knife

[iron flame]

I want to like voidstrike but I feels like I am just not feeling it. The projectile not being instant makes me miss a lot if enemies are moving sideways

[flat magnet]

Voidstrike takes a bit to get used too
But it's good from what I see

Aiming it at targets walking towards you or just hordes aggroed on someone else tends to give me the best results

and the still ones... Gunners.

[eager mantle]

Yea once you get used to voids pace it's great.

[iron flame]

Hmm yea I guess. Also it feels like voidstrike need the right blessing to kill dangerous things? Feels like even weaker specials. I need 2 hits to kill something like trapper or something

[flat magnet]

If you'd like my suggestion

Voidstrike with Surge
And then the...
Talent that gives you guaranteed ranged crits every 5 weakpoint hits

Smite does weakpoint damage technically
So combine them
It's pretty good

[flat magnet]

You do still need to aim a good amount, mainly for the head
It takes a while to get used to but I have been able to kill trappers in one hit
Or I'm just crazy

Either way the trappers get staggered

[iron flame]

Hmm I am just semi spoiled with guns like plasma and revolver that let me one-shot a lot of things without needing headshots

Wish there is a revolver style staff lol

[flat magnet]

Voidstrike is the closest you'll get to a revolver as a staff tbh

[river dawn]

Does crit chance from talent tree affect smite?

And is it good to take?

[digital narwhal]

Smite can’t Crit

Crit Chance is great for certain builds though

[iron flame]

The playstyle I want to go for is differently just voidstrike on most things and smite for those mauler/crusher party

Guess I should just slowly get used to it

[idle aurora]

Aquilas, now

[idle bay]

With slow store rotation - barely anything to spend them on anyway

[shell remnant]

I am quite new. Got my voidstrike with surge. Do I charge my secondary RMB up or spam for surge proc? Or is that depending on circumstance?

[waxen abyss]

I thought the voidstrike surge procs on rmb too

You can spam lmb sometimes, it has good stagger so it can come in handy, but the damage is meh

[idle bay]

It procs on RMB

[shell remnant]

My bad. I mean RMB.

[waxen abyss]

Anyway lmb for voidstrike is like panic button

[shell remnant]

I see.

[waxen abyss]

Iirc it can even stagger zerker

Test it out

[idle bay]

Spray and Pray button 🙂

[shell remnant]

Okay that is good to know.

[waxen abyss]

I know it doesn’t make rager stop running at you but I think it interrupts their combo

[shell remnant]

Many thanks! Charging RMB up or not, depends on the situation? I am just curious if there is a definitively better way to use it.

[waxen abyss]

That I don’t know hopefully@someone else can give thoughts there

[idle bay]

If situation allows - fully charged RMB is normally better choice.

[shell remnant]

Got it. I am just a bit spoiled by my surge staff. I think I need to get used to the voidstrike charge-up time.

[idle bay]

Imagine it as SLOW Reverse-Plasma gun 🙂

[shell remnant]

Hmmm. Okay I think that weirdly makes me feel better.

Thank you all for the input!

[iron flame]

Hmm ... I guess I am using the voidstrike wrong

I only like charge it for a tiny bit and spam

[bleak tulip]

you dont have to full charge it but you dont wanna spam either

its a thing you develop a feel for

if you full charge for just hordeclear youre wasting a lot of time

if you spam all you do is knock shit over and do no damage

[quasi junco]

knowing how long/short to charging trauma/void comes down to feel and experience

[hardy tulip]

Malleus Monstronum can be unlocked or its still bugged?

[bleak tulip]

hasnt been bugged at least since 13?

[spice oar]

i swear they toned down psykers blitz visual effects

wtf

[flat magnet]

Can unlock it using brain burst upgrade

[near wyvern]

Voidstrike does more damage (and DPS actually) the longer you charge it. However, if you overcharge it on a couple trash mobs you obviously waste your time.

You have to learn when to charge and how much. All charge levels have their uses, Warp Flurry is a really strong blessing on it.

[radiant sleet]

Quell cancelling on voidstaff is super fun

[rustic oak]

I may be blind but can someone show me what the hell this is?

[tulip trench]

when do the cosmetics land again?

[rustic oak]

Like new items in commissary?

[tulip trench]

the vanguard free stuff

[rustic oak]

I’ve already seen people wearing them

[tulip trench]

use venting shriek while at 100% peril

psykinetics wrath is the starting venting shriek

[kind jay]

specifically, you need to be mid explosion before using it

[analog agate]

I haven’t been paying much attention on void strike. Is surge + nexus still the go to or if you use true aim (which I assume everyone does) surge + flurry is the way to go?

[tulip trench]

oh ya

just found it

psyker vanguard bundle is mid

at best

rip

[near crow]

it's probably the lowest effort of the bunch, but it's still nice

[rustic oak]

Thx

[analog agate]

Ogryn vanguard skin is chef’s kiss

[near crow]

The lack of a backpack and the boots being so small kinda ruin it for me

[brave fiber]

to me, free is free

Saves me from buying ogryn or vet skins in the future

[near crow]

It's free with actual armor

Which is nice

But why he boots have no ankle support

[radiant sleet]

We were discussing it yesterday around 8:30 mountain time if you wanna read the full discussion.

The consensus was that nexus + surge is better even if you use true aim simply because you want those double shots for crushers/maulers/bulwarks etc. Warp flurry is higher DPS over a long period of time but Nexus is what you generally want to deal with big bois. But I suppose this can vary based on build/playstyle

[wind halo]

They just slapped Vet's rebreather on all the outfits I see

[quasi junco]

Reusing assets, so good even game devs use it

Good can be interchanged with lazy here too lol

[near crow]

I'm just glad we have a decent head cosmetic on Zealot finally

Also, good looking gas masks for every class isn't something I'm gonna complain about

[wind halo]

Doesn't change voice filter though

[glossy ember]

alright fellas, i got a scoreboard to flex: boss damage.
Except i play illisi/surge staff.

[ornate hamlet]

where is it 😄

[glossy ember]

how the fuck 81k damage

we had two plague ogryns two daemonhosts

by the way

Can perilous combustion trigger daemonhosts?

[fresh reef]

No

They're immune to soulblaze while dormant, actually

[vapid lichen]

i'm not sure what it is, but it seems like dhs have reduced targeting priority before being aggro'd

i've never hit a demonhost with assail before despite throwing the shards near them multiple times

[glossy ember]

ok okay cool, was wondering if I was the one triggering them

[vapid lichen]

nor does brain blast seem to be able to target them while they're asleep? not sure

[glossy ember]

because they'd oddly get up even though we were pretty far

[vapid lichen]

i have yet to smite near a demonhost though

[glossy ember]

yeah i haven't tried that either

[fallen zodiac]

smite hits DH

[glossy ember]

ouch

[vapid lichen]

figures

[glossy ember]

so by that logic the rmb from surge staff should too right

okay maybe i was the one triggering them

[fresh reef]

Though bear in mind, this rule really only applies to Wildfire and PC

Anything else, because of the impact, will aggro her

[fallen zodiac]

my friend hit her yesterday w it :/ but it didn't aggro, just got her up a lil

jus dont tickle her too much

[sonic coral]

Trust me it is possible lol

[vapid lichen]

maybe i just got really lucky then

lmfao

better to be safe than sorry anyways

it must be because i'm not real just like she says

[ornate hamlet]

You're a figment of ligma

[vapid lichen]

ligmagination

[glossy ember]

man i wish PC wasn't so inconsistant in its performances

i'm not sure what makes it do more damage or not lol

[vapid lichen]

the accident wasn't her fault, she has to let me go

[fresh reef]

Melee Maelstrom says hello

[spice veldt]

nonlinear scaling of Soulblaze

[glossy ember]

ive never done a melee mael as psyker

well i almost never do malestroms because i constantly quickplay

[fresh reef]

They're fun

Especially with rending trauma or surge/smite, so the large amounts of crushers are practically a nonissue

[glossy ember]

hm

imma give it a go

gonna replace uncanny with slaughterer and weakpoint with maniacs and test this sword out

[fallen zodiac]

not exorcist? :0

[glossy ember]

my current sword is this

and i'm wondering if exorcist wouldn't be better to keep scrier longer

although if I could choose i'd go shred/slaughterer with maniacs and w/e as my perk

[harsh urchin]

i stopped using quickplay

cuz it kept putting me into hi-int

instead of histg

[fresh reef]

I heard they fixed Disrupt Destiny. Is it worth using as a fun pick now?

[harsh urchin]

and it never picks maelstrom

so the games end up super boring

[olive ember]

What is non linear tho

Exponential?

Logarithmic?

[spice veldt]

it's some sigmoid-looking function

[olive ember]

Constant kekw?

[quasi junco]

how do you check your ping? DIed 3 times cuz I couldnt pull out melee weapon

[olive ember]

🤔

[glossy ember]

there's a mod to check ping i think

[quasi junco]

im literally bashing my fucking keyboard and im trying to brain burst a horde

[jaunty schooner]

You're a sigmoid

[spice veldt]

🥺

[olive ember]

He’s bounded at the bottom and top

Very sigmoid like (short)

Idk wtf I’m saying btw

[olive ember]

Idk how good it is but it’s funny

Zoom zoom

[vapid lichen]

stacking dd and scrier movespeed with knife/rapier is amazing

[harsh urchin]

It's exponential from 1-8 stacks, constant from 9-15 stacks and logarithmic from 16 stacks onwards

or something like that

[lyric burrow]

i like DD a lot but its still worse than at least EP \

but its good for gunker/melee builds and point efficient since your probs taking scriers for those

[olive ember]

It’s LINEAR not CONSTANT REEEEEE

[olive ember]

DD is good if you don’t use any of warp based thing ever

Which is uh

[vapid lichen]

dd's pretty good with assail

[olive ember]

Eh is it better than EP tho

I hate EP tbh

It’s just so

Boring

All it does is buff your blitz or wte it’s called

Barely any interaction

[vapid lichen]

i really wish dd stacks either decayed or it highlighted multiple enemies though

[olive ember]

If it decayed they would need to rework the abilities tbh

[vapid lichen]

sometimes for me, it doesn't highlight any enemies even though there are multiple nearby and my stacks just fall off because of it
kind of annoying

[olive ember]

No one would ever take 30s over 30 stacks

Tho they need to rework the abilities for a variety of things

Like the EP percentage vs elite kill

Or the venting shriek damage vs burn stacks

[spice veldt]

the description should also remark on the specific enemies that it highlights

[olive ember]

Or even warp charges warp res bs toughness regen

[spice veldt]

since it basically only marks human-sized patrol enemies

[olive ember]

There’s a lot of “trade offs” which are just like

“Why the fuck would I ever take the other option”

[echo turtle]

@digital narwhal Would you post your gunker build? I'm setting one up but I am not familiar with how to optimize it

[olive ember]

Uh

Las pistol

All crit

Infernus

Pew pew pew

[olive ember]

I’d personally suggest building for finesse for gun psyker over the scrier peril resist

[digital narwhal]

Yeah I was thinkin' about it

[ripe yacht]

Thoughts, y'all?

[olive ember]

I’d also swap some toughness nodes for some other stuff but

I also run 90 toughness psyker and everyone looks at me like a reject or something smh

[echo turtle]

Thanks, what blessings would you slap on an autogun?

[digital narwhal]

DumDum + Fire Frenzy

Flak + Maniac for ideal perks

[olive ember]

If you want boss damage I’d suggest dum dum with infernus

Tho dum dum is the important one

[olive ember]

🤔 not bad, not sure if replacing shred or special damage is better

[ripe yacht]

I figured drop rampage lol.

[olive ember]

Rampage is kinda bugged where

You can get some silly shit going on

I’m not particularly knowledgeable on it tho so

[vapid lichen]

shred for crit builds, rampage for horde, uncanny paired with either one

[olive ember]

@spice veldt wake up reee

Oh right you don’t have uncanny

Prob swap one of the blessings for uncanny

[spice veldt]

if you're not running melee/monstrosity maelstrom, I'd keep rampage, though it might potentially get bug-fixed soon

[haughty schooner]

mfw you get a lvl 19 in a maelstrom damnation

[ripe yacht]

Going for single target.

Considering Deimos replacements.

[ripe yacht]

Assume I am. I have Purg for hordes.

[quasi junco]

damn this ogyrn was great

[rose dagger]

Why does melk like loner psyker

Loner is a borderline heretic

[halcyon creek]

To the Inquisition, everyone is a borderline heretic.

[stable silo]

i ahte my psyker lines

always trash talking the imperium

[lyric burrow]

@spice veldt what do you use for your input viewer in your clips

[next fable]

What perk do I put on this staff?

[fresh reef]

Swap Groaner to Flak

[proven stirrup]

Hey what are the ideal perks on a purge staff?

I finally have a good one

[ripe yacht]

I think it changes lol.

I have maniac/carapace, but I couldn't tell you if that's ideal or not.

I also have carapace/flak. Couldn't tell you which feels better.

[next fable]

So flak > crit chance?

[fresh reef]

They're about equal, I think

Better to swap the other perk to crit if you've already got Flak

[untold widget]

Also if you can get Nexus/Flurry and Flak/Maniac, that'd be better than carapace. Purg just doesn't do anything to Crushers

flak crit would work as well

[next fable]

already swapped on the nexus, so I only got one more change left, as far as I understand

This is the first time I modify a weapon :>

[untold widget]

yeah, pretty rough choice

probably had to get rid of terrifying garbage

[quasi junco]

should I try and reroll this thing? Discount the lvl 1 flurry, I can farm higher

[ripe yacht]

I was going to run a crit surge but I was gone when that would've been really good. 😦

[proven stirrup]

Given my intent to hoard clear with the staff predominantly I'd say flak + crit seems wise

[vapid willow]

I love purgatus staff

Rounded a corner with 8 ragers and downed them all at the same time

Feelsgoodman

Only downside is feeling forced into BB otherwise I can’t kill crushers

[quasi junco]

Deimos says hi

[stable silo]

dont u generally run BB with the purge and surge anyway

[quasi junco]

purge yes

surge not really

[stable silo]

i dislike smite/surge

feels to similar im already chain stunning every elite what does the fodder matter

[tired knoll]

just poke em in the face with ds4

[fresh halo]

Greetings, Siblings

Is the Deimos Force Sword any good ?

I found this at the Armoury and wanted to know if I should pick it up

[olive ember]

Pretty good yeah

Idk if maniac is the perk you want but based on stats alone it’s worth picking up

Gl at hadron tho

[fallen zodiac]

yiss, maniac is a good perk cuz it can help u one shot mutants w H2

[tulip trench]

what was the good t-axe again?

[eager mantle]

Bring a dueling sword and have a dance with the crushers

[delicate stratus]

Is the blaze sword useful? I want a decent horde weapon for melee

[spice veldt]

ye, the illisi in particular

[untold widget]

theres a good taxe?

[tulip trench]

illisi is best horde weapon

[spice veldt]

spam the special on it

use the illisi like the psword but with better normals

[tulip trench]

even just light spam is nuts

[patent hatch]

Pop a deflector on there for fun and enjoy

[spice veldt]

I will strangle people who mainly use normals on the illisi

[delicate stratus]

I've been using the Deimos variant for a little bit now

haven't tried illisi

[spice veldt]

illisi has the same special as the patch 12 power sword, for reference

[fallen zodiac]

is that a promise

[quasi junco]

this game director can fuck off, might as well play auric 100% cuz vanilla damn makes no sense

they really overtuned it cuz noobs were stomping damnation and the devs got butthurt, only explanation

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897990245658787881.webp?size=80&quality=lossless

[fallen zodiac]

[olive ember]

Illisi doesn’t have power cycler

Needs buffs

[delicate stratus]

Well I bought one and modded it a bit

let's see iif it's worth

[spice veldt]

the variance in difficulty does need to be toned down

on average the difficulty seems to be fine

but you'll hear people saying that it's too easy or too hard at times, and Id just attribute it to the fact that the difficulty can occasionally have insane difficulty spikes no matter what

horde + elite patrol + special wave + boss spawn is a real banger

[long wharf]

as expected, the Vanguard cosmetics are all ass

least they could have done is place the beta symbol somewhere on there to let us know what they really think

[olive ember]

I thought the ogryn one was actually pretty decent

[long wharf]

the ogryn mask is the only cosmetic of the entire collection that I'd use

[quasi junco]

it can also have insane lows, I

I've done events that spawned very little, it was like lo int

need to up the lows, and lower the his

highs*

[hollow jolt]

speak for yourself, I've literally never lost

[quasi junco]

lol

[hollow jolt]

I genuinely wonder if people have lost Sedition runs

[quasi junco]

lvl 1 teams maybe

[spice veldt]

barrel accidents mayhaps

[steady vector]

You've probably heard this before: I want to play Psyker, but I want to use guns only, never staves. Am I going to regret choosing Psyker?

[coral cave]

i actually like the free cosmetics they gave us

[delicate stratus]

Alright, Illisi is pretty fun

Might scout out a godroll for it

[coral cave]

unfortunately the psyker one is the worst out of the 4

[tulip trench]

God bless you Hadron
melee -> carapace or flak?
precog -> Uncanny?

[hollow jolt]

you will early on

once you get actually good gear, it'll suck less

Vet still better though

"imagine dying lmao" build is still my favorite vet build for gun only

[kind knot]

is this thingy any good?

[long wharf]

I'd go melee -> flak

precog -> uncanny

[echo turtle]

Naw, gun psyker is good.

Grond posted a build above for me, you can take a look at it if you want to see what it's all about

[hollow jolt]

indeed

its mostly just the leveling that's ass

[long wharf]

Vet may be better in general with guns, but a gun psyker with columnus IAG is a downright beast

[echo turtle]

I'm helping a bro power level his psyker rn, it's rough early on, but you can lean on assail and do fine

[hollow jolt]

yeah that's what I did too

[long wharf]

as much as I dislike using a gun with psyker, Scrier's Gaze was made for it

[hollow jolt]

didn't feel very "gun" though but I suppose that's why there's the "psyker" part

[echo turtle]

The guns feel good after you get scriers and true aim

[hollow jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1176028031744221265/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2023-11-20_16-13-59.mp4?ex=656d6074&is=655aeb74&hm=68fb9fe752cc96606a1941604dcf22e9a3e46bfe35aa6527dc8da8e9dfb392af&

scier's gaze is for purg UwU

[long wharf]

and Warp Rider

[echo turtle]

But you may as well use them leveling, since the staves early game are awful

[long wharf]

with gun psyker, you literally don't care at all about quelling

you can go and never use your blitz at all

just take perilous combusion, scrier's gaze, and go to town on everything

it's a tad silly

[hollow jolt]

I actually quell occasionally as gun psyker

[echo turtle]

Yeah I can see it being decent with purge as the staff generated so little peril

[hollow jolt]

on command toughness regen UwU

tbh I mostly only do that because it lets me regen toughness while hunting for plasteel

[long wharf]

you can use SG with purge, but SG was designed for gun usage

[hollow jolt]

because SOMEONE has to

[long wharf]

it's very clear

[hollow jolt]

"very clear" "psyker" smh 0/10 lore accuracy

[long wharf]

hell, the pysker depicted over the right side of the talent tree is holding a gun

[vapid lichen]

ive been playing gunker with ciag the last couple days and it's insanely fun

[echo turtle]

I just gave it a go, it's pretty fun

Not sure if I want rampage or shred on the dueling sword that I am pairing with it

[vapid lichen]

i had to put uncanny on so i'm stuck with shred lol

[long wharf]

I prefer shred on my dueling sword

uncanny+shred

[tulip trench]

does +1 stamina give you a whole additional bar?

[echo turtle]

You feel like the procs on shred make much of a difference?

Rampage being bugged makes the damage absurd, but only into hordes really

[vapid lichen]

each +1 is an extra brick if that's what you mean

[long wharf]

you really don't need the damage on hordes

but at the same time, I don't spend a lot of time dancing around the bigger enemies, either

[echo turtle]

Aeya, what perks you taking on the duelie? Flakiak or some carapace on there?

[long wharf]

I only pull out the DS to stab mutants/crushers

I put maniac on mine

[tulip trench]

the amount of rolls Brunt has like this are infuriating

[vapid lichen]

i took maniac and unyielding

it's mainly for muties and crushers yeah

well, ragers, maulers, and bulwarks too

[proven beacon]

Love Psyker, can accidentally blow myself up and take an elite with me and get a penance I didn't know existed.

[quasi junco]

dem weakspots hit on a critstrike build

[static needle]

Should i invest or is max blast radius really that important?

[ionic sorrel]

72% is enough to party imo.

[zinc tartan]

I didn't have Gun Psyker on my radar but I just saw this in Melks. Do you all think its worth picking up?

[untold widget]

worth for dumdum 4 if anything

if you don't have it

[zinc tartan]

That is what I saw and was thinking. I vaguely remember someone mentioning it for Laspistol.

[untold widget]

yeah. dumdum infernus is what I run

shreds

most things

[potent echo]

Yes it's the bis blessing

[zinc tartan]

Thanks for the responses! I picked it up!

[untold widget]

grats, i've only got dumdum 3 and now I hate you a bit

but only a little

[zinc tartan]

I did some testing with a 65% Blast Radius staff vs my 80% one and I really couldn't discern a difference.

[zinc tartan]

I usually just check melks for blessings now. Its nice getting IV's on the cheap.

[untold widget]

yeah that's how I landed deflector 4. I had to pay RNGsus for Surge for voidstrike though

worth it, tbh

wish I could play rn

but my internet is wildin out

dropping packets like FedEx

[proven stirrup]

Wild. This baby's gonna be good to me

Freshly consecrated too

I know I'm at least gonna reroll the unyielding to crit

[potent echo]

You want at least 76% burn

To get up to 15 stacks

[proven stirrup]

That sounds like minutia I don't bother with

This will get me to where I need to go

[potent echo]

It won't matter in most situations

[proven stirrup]

In all fairness. I'm just fucking tired of worrying so much about the base stats

That's where all my fucking resources go. There's a point where I just can't care anymore

[potent echo]

If you are upgrading greys you should just get 76 or more first

[cosmic sigil]

thanks

[proven stirrup]

yes, normally

But this wasn't a grey item

I got it blue I think

[pale wasp]

warp nexus or the soulblaze thing?

[proven stirrup]

Still, the point is, none of this shit is properly codified anywhere anyway

[floral kayak]

which is better?

[proven stirrup]

These magical breakpoints for minmaxing aren't documented in one spot so I don't intend to ask about every weapon in the game and ewhat needs to be where on the bars

Shit's exhausting lmao

[potent echo]

Atheneum is a pretty good resource for all the psyker arcane info in this fatshark game

[proven stirrup]

I'm not familiar

[potent echo]

It's on steamcommunity, but it should show up if you search it

[proven stirrup]

Sure doesn't. Google is pointing to a market research firm lmao

I'll go to steam though

[bleak tulip]

check the pins

[spark fractal]

I have the opposite problem, I’ve spent 40,000 plasteel looking for that one voidstrike blessing which does 2 hits on a crit, I have like 4 otherwise perfect 370+ rating staffs waiting

[severe folio]

youll never find it

[proven stirrup]

Yeah it's pretty miserable but there's literally nothing they can do to make it better without undermining their retention

So I don't expect it to change

Either way this staff isn't going anywhere.

That one stack of soulblaze is not going to be the end of the world

[spiral mist]

Is Executor or Shred any good on Force swords?

[proven stirrup]

Shred is very good

[severe folio]

executor dont seem to be good on deimos

[spark fractal]

I’d say anything that’s just repeated hit without requiring weak spot hits is super good

[spiral mist]

Hmm

[potent echo]

Executor has so many caveats that make it unusable

[spiral mist]

I thought the best combo was still slaughterer + deflector?

[potent echo]

"Executor: on a timer and drops stacks whenever you hit something else than a weakspot or timer running out but not if you miss an attack. If you cleave through a weakspot and hit another unit to something else than the weakspot, the stacks are dropped as well. All stacks are dropped on DOT ticks as well (bleed, burn and Soulblaze)."

It's so bad

[spiral mist]

i feel like the devs dont really test the blessings properly

there are so many blessings that should be decent but are just utter trash

Like wrath, which dosent reset the timer for stacks when u get a new one

they all just expire anyways

[severe folio]

it seem to be, salvageable on illisi ?

increasing power means being able to push your blade through horde easier right ?

[spark fractal]

Personally not a big fan of deflector (don’t need to block bullets, and don’t need to block that much when you can dodge so well), I prefer slaughterer and the one that does guaranteed crits on special kills

[bitter escarp]

Bloodthirsty?

man, there was a time it didn't work for just one attack

[spiral mist]

Oh yeah what about unstable power

[potent echo]

Or you can just take slaughterer

[spiral mist]

does no one use unstable power anymore?

[digital narwhal]

Imagine if Illisi had a Power Cycler esque Blessing

[potent echo]

I use unstable on my deimos

[spiral mist]

I think Slaughterer + Bloodthirsty is the ultimate combo on illisi

[potent echo]

Mainly to hit mutant BP

[spiral mist]

illisi is the only meta force sword atm anyways

[potent echo]

Horrifying

[spiral mist]

I like deimos too

but it dosent feel very good by today's standards anymore

before the talents were reworked

there werent many ways to kill crushers

deimos was one of the only good ways

but now every vet and zealot can kill crushers

so deimos is outdated

[spark fractal]

That’s what I’ve been running, and it’s very fun, walk in, scythe down a group with a charged heavy, dodge back, recharge the special, walk in and repeat until everything is dead

[spiral mist]

spending 4 seconds being locked in an animation to kill one crusher from a pack of 8 just isnt worth it

[spiral mist]

yes

it sounds nuts

[untold widget]

Then why fucking don't they smh

[spiral mist]

i didnt realize how op it would be until i realized that the 100% crit would apply the special empowered attack too

[digital narwhal]

Could call it Perpetuality

[spiral mist]

clears hordes like no tomorrow

[potent echo]

This isnt true

[digital narwhal]

(I want Illisi to be completely overtuned)

[spiral mist]

low level players using random legendary gear

[potent echo]

Illisi is

[spiral mist]

a lot of vets and zealots i see are below level 50 and playing auric damnation

[potent echo]

Such a ||crutch||

[spark fractal]

Why are crushers a problem when we have the best crusher killing weapon: the voidstrike?

[spiral mist]

i check their gear in lobby and none of their blessings or perks are right

theyre just using random weapons they found from missions

[untold widget]

I like Illisi, but I don't use melee to clear hordes, so it's functionally not as good as a deimos or D4 form e

[potent echo]

Sure it does brainless hordeclear but is it really worth giving up dealing with elites

[spiral mist]

what kind of elites?

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus better 🗣️ 💯

[potent echo]

6 crushers

[spiral mist]

its ok against everything against maulers and crushers

[spiral mist]

voidstrike had its buffs reverted and plasma was buffed

the difference between the two is like day and night

plasma is many times better than void

if i wanted to fulfill the role of a voidstrike psyker id just switch to vet

[echo turtle]

Deimos doesn't necessarily need to be charged to pluck away at crushers the H2 deals around 800 before uncanny is active

[spice veldt]

voidstrike had a relatively minor nerf

[potent echo]

Void is nice but still tougher due to low dodge

[spice veldt]

though melee was still better

[potent echo]

If you are in melee range with multiple crushers could get a little hairy

[short lodge]

Illisi with Uncanny wrecks mixed hordes without even having to charge tbh

[spice veldt]

just that melee requires you to be next to them which can be of questionable safety

[robust sierra]

gotta love seeing 380s that have a worse burn rate than your existing staff

[spark fractal]

Nah, I play vet too, it’s good, but void is also coupled with unlimited ammo, a small but important AoE stagger, a forgiving heat system, and having shards to clear voids with

[spiral mist]

for that specific auric maelstrom mission with only scabs and crushers, void is the emperor's gift

[potent echo]

If you can get the jump on them for sure

[spiral mist]

yes but my vet automatically refills his toughness every 15-20 seconds with shout lol

psyker is so vulnerable when charging up voidstaff

[spice veldt]

psyker also pisses out toughness

[spiral mist]

plasma fires first and then u have to wait a bit to fire against, void has to wait before firing

[spark fractal]

You really shouldn’t have too much problems with toughness since we can get it from doing anything

[spiral mist]

yes but our max toughness is half of a vets

[wanton sandal]

ayo, did we just all get moebian 21st drip?