psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

cause its wack to use

[fallen zodiac]

isn't this just equally as opinionated as the guide? at least the guide gives reasoning

[lyric burrow]

and makes me feel weird

[crude cape]

the guide is good, but this is more community general use imo. The guide is more specific playstyles and he reccomends some things like stamina curios, saying gunner resist is trash etc that alot of good players don't do i know

i dont think anything he says in there is bad, or wrong

but its def both from a specific perspective AND isn't quick/easy to digest like a quick rule of thumb like the one i posted is

[olive ember]

His curio takes are pretty uh

Bad imo ngl

But besides that they are decent

[fallen zodiac]

I'm a 1x stamina curio stan

[harsh urchin]

stamina curio is pretty good lol

[crude cape]

I like it too sometimes. ive gone back and forth on if i notice it makes a difference or not tho.
But he portrays it as no brainer BIS
theres other choices/points he makes there in similar manner besides curio too

[radiant sleet]

I read that guide and thought sniper resist was a weird choice, I generally dont have problem with sniper as I just start dodging as soon as my eye sees the laser

[harsh urchin]

it doesn't really matter on some weapons

but on force sword and knife

[crude cape]

does the guy who made the guide hang out in here?

[harsh urchin]

playing without stam curio

is fucking awful

[crude cape]

i sometimes like it on dueling sword too

[harsh urchin]

you have 3 stamina on illisi and 2 stam on the knife

[lyric burrow]

if you take KD i think it matter a bit less

[crude cape]

having 2 stamina feels sketch even with kinetic deflection sometimes

[harsh urchin]

stamina is for running

kd doesnt matter lol

[crude cape]

more stamina = more KD blocking

[radiant sleet]

That guide also taught me about assail quell cancelling and assail weaving so overall it helped me out

[crude cape]

peril build up is directly related to your max stamina

when using kd

so there is a link

[static needle]

Salvageable or bricked?

[crude cape]

if you're ok missing flak, trade both blessings for headtaker/BM

[lyric burrow]

you could just change the blessings

yeah

you at least got maniacs

[crude cape]

useable, but have to accept you'll be 3/4

and might miss a breakpoint on some flak guys

trade off is you might hit a 1hko breakpoint on elite dreg gunners, unarmoured to the head

could actually help there

would have to go test it with the right blessings

with BM IV headtaker IV might be able to 1 shot elite gunner to head

[static needle]

salvageable?

[lyric burrow]

bricked imo

[static needle]

wait maybe not bricked if i run it with scriers?

[lyric burrow]

elites isnt awful but its all you got

yeah maybe you could make use of shred with scriers

[static needle]

exorcist

[lyric burrow]

but you cant really special

then

might not need it while in scriers with slaught or something though

would need to test

[static needle]

Doesnt shred synergize like hell with scrier's?

does shred only apply to a single target

[harsh urchin]

no

[static needle]

then why not keep shred? i asked earlier and someone told me to replace it

whatchu think

[harsh urchin]

shred is fine lol

it's just that

[static needle]

is there anything better?

[harsh urchin]

crits are rng

[static needle]

yes but i can spam attacks so isnt it better at horde clear then?

[harsh urchin]

yeah riposte or precog or rampage

not really because the dueling sword has like 3 base cleave

[static needle]

dont u want riposte on this?

[harsh urchin]

so crit isn't really gonna help your horde clear too much

[plucky flax]

[scarlet bear]

nice

[harsh urchin]

not really

you just smack shit with h2

[lyric burrow]

It would only really apply to muties yeah

Maybe crushers although you just knock them over

[radiant sleet]

What do people think about the Deimos charge attack? It feels weird to me and I cant figure out when I should be doing it. Pairing it with assail/void/shriek

[lyric burrow]

Just use h2

L1>h2 will is better safer dps

You can use it to build peril by charging and swapping tho

[radiant sleet]

Okay roger that, thanks!

[wheat quartz]

Having one with as low a warp resist as possible is convenient for this

[radiant sleet]

Ohh I didnt even think about that. I haven't rolled for a good deimos yet so I'll keep that in mind

[crude cape]

ya just use the h2 combo as masteryoshi said.
you can sometimes charge it to quickly lock down a single crusher, but its not that good when you can just h2 spam
I think a special to the head -> l1>h2 combo kills a crusher tho in a little 3 hit combo

actually, it used to

i haven't tried it since the unit hp buffs

so dont listen to that

@spice veldt I stole this from reddit, but man pretty good lol

[static needle]

I feel like scrier's really isnt worth running for laspistol gunpsyker. Isnt it way more helpful having more protection?

[feral verge]

lol

scrier's is the number one reason to run las pistol

[static needle]

eh

[feral verge]

scrier's is the number one reason to use any gun

[static needle]

its still amazing without scrier's because of disrupt destiny

[feral verge]

want more protection? get more toughness. dodge more

[crude cape]

OH a use for the deimos special. I thought of one lol
if you have a single rager on you and dont want to risk missing the headshot poke or aren't confident in the 1 shot and take damage. Its safer to just dodge back and hit them with a special, stunning them

[whole oxide]

laspistol wants crit-chance, scriers is crit-chance

[feral verge]

if you dont have atleast 150% toughness on psyker you doing something wrong

[crude cape]

note this doesn't work with 2+ ragers. bc the second just hits you while you locked onto the first. So....this is kinda specific lol. just use the L1>h2 combo most of the time once you master it. But hey, i thought of a good use for it lol

[static needle]

eh crit doesnt really matter all that much when i can one or 2 shot most things at 15 stacks of DD

[feral verge]

crit does matter when psyker has some of the best crit related feats in the game

crit = dodge ranged fire, crit = movement speed

[static needle]

oh wait

yeah... i see

but like

the dodge range fire one is already solved thru running shield

[feral verge]

shield is thoroughly meh

the dodge ranged fire lets you do damage while avoiding ranged fire

whereas shield forces you to stay in one spot, dealing less damage

in higher difficulties, you dont want to sit and camp with shield

i am not saying speed run, but you want to progress forward at a good pace

shield encourages slow, passive play, which encourages special spawns

which encourages you/your team getting preventably damaged and disabled

im not saying shield is overall bad btw. it has it's moments

[fluid knot]

Its good for corralling loose Veterans into a single location

Its like herding cats else

[static needle]

why is that important?

[feral verge]

i said why

[feral verge]

.

[static needle]

ah i see

[feral verge]

the slower you go, the more enemies spawn

more enemies = more damage taken

more damage taken = increased failure possibility

[quasi junco]

But then the more you can pad your stats gif of black man touching his forehead

[static needle]

would u personally pair a deimos or mk 4 DS with a lasgun?

[feral verge]

dueling sword mk4

and i love deimos

[static needle]

watchu run on it?

[fresh reef]

forgot how much fun flurry/shockwave trauma is

[feral verge]

but dueling sword just pairs better

[bleak tulip]

the amount of times Ive seen people just hug the shield instead of moving on is stupid

[feral verge]

uncanny strike is paramount

[bleak tulip]

I hate that this is pretty much correct

[static needle]

isnt mobility actually a good stat on this sword because of the insane sprint speed it nets you with all the bonus talents?

[fresh reef]

Brittleness applies to all damage right? including soulblaze?

[feral verge]

get uncanny strike + shred, or uncanny strike + precognition

[bleak tulip]

yes

[static needle]

or the other one that gives crit chance on dodge for 6s right?

[feral verge]

that's the thing. mobility is still the dump stat(as in it can be low rolled) becasue it is so innately good on the weapon

that even with a low mobility score

it will be more mobile than most weapons in the game

[feral verge]

sure

[lethal sable]

So, what's a good way to maintain maximum warp charges?

[feral verge]

kill elites. use your special F ability sparingly

because that will eat your warp charges

[static needle]

but isnt it insanely more good if you max it? the multiplier for sprint speed bonuses will be way bigger right?

[quasi junco]

or pop ability to quickly kill elites and get those charges back

dont sandbag

[feral verge]

no, they will not be meaningfully bigger

the scaling isn't that amazing

[static needle]

run the one that has a 4% chance to give u a warp charge any time a teammate kills an enemy

[feral verge]

i aint saying shield is bad

[static needle]

does seer's precense stacks?

[feral verge]

but i think it's the least impactful support ultimate in the game

i main psyker, i only play auric/damnation for months. got 1.5k hours

[static needle]

not on only ranged maelstroms xDDDD

[feral verge]

none of my builds use shield

it's either shriek or scrier's

[radiant sleet]

Appreciate the knowledge. I used to be an illisi lover but I have enough horde clear with void/AssAil so made the switch recently

[spice veldt]

❤️

[strong gulch]

This helm is darker now for whatever reason. I was fine 2 days ago. 🤷

[limber silo]

Idk man, shield is pretty great as a support tool. Toughness regen just for existing + negating almost all trouble issues for a few seconds is nice enough for me to wanna run it when able. Bombers, flamers, and trappers are completely screwed by the shield

the fact that even if they are inside the shield, their weapons don't work is spectacular.

[sacred crane]

What is best blessings for rapirr

[sacred crane]

I want this helm so bad

[spice veldt]

karman rancamo

[feral verge]

uncanny strike + precognition/shred

uncanny strike is priority

[onyx sentinel]

Does anyone have the “KARKTIDE” image for the steam library banner

[limber silo]

I run rampage on my sabers and it's ince

nice

uncanny is a must tho

[sacred crane]

What does uncanny do again

[limber silo]

rending on weakspot hit

applies to all damage including burns and bleed

take perilous combustion and killing an elite turns into mega horde clear

[digital narwhal]

This is my meme

I've got a few others, too.

[fading iris]

In the grimdark

[quasi junco]

was there a patch? mods are off

[digital narwhal]

Hotfix

[quasi junco]

o

[sacred crane]

I feel bad for seer psyker all the time, he is either scared, worried or friendly

[ivory wharf]

gun psykers really just pure ass

[sacred crane]

"Were surrounded this isnt fair!"

[digital narwhal]

Nuh uh

[sacred crane]

Gun psyker isnt as useful

The most useful is support psyker

[ivory wharf]

gun psyker in general just sucks

[sacred crane]

Imagine if psyker had an ability to heal allies

[static needle]

Does any other lasgun have infernus blessing?

[sacred crane]

[digital narwhal]

See, that's where you're wrong

[sacred crane]

Gun psyker isnt bad, just not as useful

[cinder crown]

can i get a beginner talent skill tree link build?

[ivory wharf]

ok name some things that gun psyker can do to outclass the other classes in terms of using only their gun

[sacred crane]

Crits

[digital narwhal]

Toughness Economy, DPS, and Damage Avoidance

[quasi junco]

lol I play psyker so I can flip the bird to ammo and grenade pickups

why would i use gun

[ivory wharf]

still waiting

[quasi junco]

let the vets that fire bolters at two bruisers get the ammo

[digital narwhal]

You gonna refute me or you gonna reply with 2 words again?

You have to explain things.

[sacred crane]

He just gave you reasons

[digital narwhal]

That's how a discussion works.

[ivory wharf]

if those were the reasons than they are piss poor reasons 1 psykers are best with CC 2 psykers dont need ammo if using staff

[digital narwhal]

You're moving goalposts.

[sinful peak]

[digital narwhal]

You asked about comparisons to classes.

You've yet to prove me wrong.

Prove me wrong.

Do it.

I invite you.

[left mirage]

I just use gunpsyk because im tired of my team wiping to bosses that take too long to die

Takes too long for boss to die, specialists + horde rolls in

Team does something dumb and we wipe

[ivory wharf]

i gave you my reasons now fuck off

[digital narwhal]

You moved the goalposts.
I answered you with three things after you asked for one.

You never proved me wrong.

[night crater]

I play gunpsyker because going back to staffs feels slow and weak and that range weakness is stupid af

[digital narwhal]

Prove me wrong, Wolf.

[left mirage]

Gunpsyk lets me deal good enough boss dps to kill it while keeping assail for ammo econ

[bleak tulip]

oh boy the staff defender has logged on

[fresh reef]

currently my highest rated staff. guessing I'd want to swap infested to unarmoured?

[static needle]

uhhhh no?

[left mirage]

I think flak is fine, that infested is kinda rough tho

[static needle]

flak is best all round

[fresh reef]

ya flak is great, I meant the other one

[bleak tulip]

youre still hitting flak becaue you cant always get headshots in every occasion and mauler headshots with aoe effects still count as flak

[fresh reef]

(brain go fucky)

[left mirage]

Time to roll the hadron / brunt tag team slot machine

[bleak tulip]

oh you weirdo made it look like a void

its a trauma

[left mirage]

Kek

[spice oar]

run the graia or the vraks, its like im a better vet ong

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psyker's synergy with crits gives them insane Toughness economy and survivability when combined with weapons that have crit strings, burst fire, or just fire fast.
The main examples of these are Columnus IAG, Vraks Mk III Headhunter, and Laspistol; with these weapons you can become virtually immune to ranged attacks using Empathic Evasion, and regenerating 5% Toughness for each critical hit. This is especially potent with the two Autoguns mentioned, since the Columnus has a crit string of 4, meaning you proc it 4 times for 20% Toughness per crit proc, and the Vraks shoots and crits in bursts, meaning you generate 15% Toughness per crit proc.
This with Empathic Evasion makes you the absolute best class at face tanking ranged enemies if you've got the mechanical skill to hit your shots, which is the bare minimum expected of you.
Let's then move on to buff stacking; with the amount of buffs Psyker can stack related to crit chance, crit damage, finesse, and just raw damage, they have almost unmatched DPS with their weapons. The Marskman's Keystone Vet is the only rival to a Gun Psyker, but they sacrifice the ability to move quickly for this buff, meanwhile the Gun Psyker has free rein of movement, on top of one of the highest movement speeds in the game.

@ivory wharf

There you go.

I explained some more for you.

Please go into detail on why I'm wrong.

[fresh reef]

bricked

and it was going so well

(prob should roll this into a blazing staff though)

[spice oar]

i dont get it, did you switch anything yet?

[digital narwhal]

Guys,

I don't think Wolf is going to prove me wrong.

Oh no.

[fresh reef]

I'm hunting a 370+ flurry/rending

[spice oar]

ahh ok

[fresh reef]

to replace this one

[bleak tulip]

who will protect my staffs honor now

[digital narwhal]

Staffs are still good.

They're great tbh.

But saying guns are shit is plain wrong, so I had to do it to 'em.

[spice oar]

....but that one is like, perfect? what do you want from it its essentially a god roll

[bleak tulip]

rate my gunker drip

[night crater]

How does the vraks work? Haven't seen one yet

[bleak tulip]

I have this preset but dont use it lmao

[spice oar]

DMRs

[digital narwhal]

Your chest cosmetic doesn't colour match with the weapon colour, which is minus points from me.
Also, Beta Helm. Minus points.

5/10

[spice oar]

agri is unique cause it shoots in bursts, rest are single fire

[fresh reef]

+infested

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1092269794989969430/1118969588978286733/F5B1BA7E-505F-454E-A54F-C9786D4E2BC2.gif

[quasi junco]

Yea but gun psykers are still icky

[bleak tulip]

[digital narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[spice oar]

cool but like it aint that big of a deal lmao

[fresh reef]

any flurry/nexus trauma enjoyers in chat? is it a good alternative to rending?

[static needle]

your unfailing loyalty is icky

[digital narwhal]

Eh.

[quasi junco]

No loyalty here, the Big E will eat me anyway

[quasi junco]

Get Blaze and nexus

Put crit % and flak for perks

[digital narwhal]

Oh wait

Seems Wolf blocked me before I explained my points

I win

[quasi junco]

lol how do you know if someone blocked you?

[digital narwhal]

If I had a nickel for everytime someone hit me with "Nuh uh" and then blocked me without even arguing against me, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

[digital narwhal]

Try to react to one of their messages

It'll refuse to send it through if you're blocked

[feral verge]

@spice veldt this is a photo of arcotash blowing up like a noob

[quasi junco]

Oh

[feral verge]

arcotash sucks at game

just letting yall know

[lunar hollow]

(dar for scale)

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[digital narwhal]

The shitter is here

Imagine blowing up

[spice veldt]

you shall die

[digital narwhal]

I shall die without blowing up.

[quasi junco]

Why you guys playing with a bot?

[feral verge]

josho is stupid

[spice veldt]

josho forgot to set it back to public

[fresh reef]

gonna try playing with purgatus after god knows how long

[orchid nest]

bot ammo aura

[lunar hollow]

we were doin private so people could join and then i forgot to turn private off when we had no more joiners

[feral verge]

@fresh reef this is my purga build

[quaint burrow]

bit of a fail on Melk's side offering this to my Psyker 🙈

[feral verge]

i get 1 million damage in pub games with it

on carnival

hishock/gauntlet

[fresh reef]

neat

I pretty much run the same build on every staff

[feral verge]

also, i have entered the d arktide rich elite

@spice veldt only has 30k plasteel

[quasi junco]

Why no kinetic resonance?

[feral verge]

which is mad embarassing

[feral verge]

i rarely BB

[quasi junco]

O

[fresh reef]

BB is to deal with things purg cannot

which genuinely isn't much

mainly it consists of 5+ gunners that are 30 meters away

[bleak tulip]

thats what ass ail is for

[past salmon]

4 psyker maelstorm funny ending

[bleak tulip]

holy shit you taught a hyena to play the game

impressive

[clear heath]

yeah monstrous specials with 4 psykers was wild

[orchid nest]

would have been fine with a deimos

[feral verge]

@spice veldt is so shit lmao he ledged himself at start of map what a noob and an idiot

trust NOTHING arco says

bad psyker. bad player. bad person

[quasi junco]

Lights out?

[vapid lichen]

isnt it just dark as fuck in there

[severe folio]

this why i play with extra brightness

[echo turtle]

Alright, I'm gonna stop smack talking smite, I ran it in an auric maelstrom and it saved me a few times

Over using it is horrible but when it's good, damn is it good

[digital narwhal]

Nah, smack talk it

Let’s spark arguments

[echo turtle]

Great at shutting down a huge spawn when your team is getting overwhelmed and disablers are running in, great and slowing down mixed horde mauler back running you down, great at pushing away bursters from the team

Using it in place of a weapon or into chaff smh. Unless ur ramping peril to pop creeping flames, it's just not the thing to do here

[crude cape]

thoughts on this? w/ trauma/dsmkIV? Would it be better with EP? or maybe venting?

[spice veldt]

wow there are only two players on screen

i wonder where the third one (mankar) went

perhaps into the deep abyss

[feral verge]

mankar definitely did not jump into the dark hole at the first opportunity

[fresh reef]

just got called the reason psykers get a bad rap

by a guy who was trying to micro all game

and ended said game with 250k damage

lul

[digital narwhal]

It's always the "team leaders"

[echo turtle]

Did he hit ya with a "StAy ToGeThEr!"

[severe folio]

lmb staff is real

promising first match of the day

[potent echo]

Did you get any plasteel at least

[tawny bane]

What’re the best perks for a surge staff?

[untold widget]

what are you working with currently?

[severe folio]

got 65 plasteel

[woeful patio]

Added a 3rd variant

changed metal texture

[hybrid glade]

Check out what I just yoinked out of the store

[strong gulch]

Thank you very much for the info.

[crude cape]

just played a whole match nearly, struggled the whole time

something was off

i wasnt doding things right

everything felt overwhelming

but i couldn't put my finger on it

realized at the end of the match i had my buddies stream up, with sound on

was listening to double sound from his perspective, so my angles on all my sound queus were fucked up

it was messing with me BAD lol

[lethal lagoon]

atm flak and unarmored is the general consensus. I like carpace though.

[tulip trench]

im ready for hadron to comlpetely screw me over

woah

ok

what perks

[strong gulch]

Good sword vibes

[tulip trench]

hadron blessed me

[strong gulch]

idk about dew claws

[rugged hare]

okay new problem
while can now boot into the game and get past the "processing inquisitorial permission" screen
I keep getting error 3013 when I try to play as my character

[lethal lagoon]

Install a mod to auto-load into a character

[opal pebble]

What's a gameplay thing you think most psyker players don't do that if they did would help their team out alot?

i'm fishing for tips basically

[whole oxide]

use both their weapons, and their blitz, and their ult

[cyan notch]

rp more

[opal pebble]

i should

[echo turtle]

This

Learning when the right time for the blitz, and learning how to melee

That will put you above most psykers you end up getting in pubs

[rare storm]

Most pubs don't switch off of their blitz (assail and smite) then call the team useless because they don't know that just stunning everything (in the direction they're facing) isn't helping

[opal pebble]

i think of all 4 i gotta work on when to use square shield the most, dont use it enough

[harsh urchin]

Biggest issue i see is people not bringing an answer to everything

And then they complain about people not doing their "role"

Bitch this aint world of warcraft

[rare storm]

True

[severe folio]

what if the people they are complaining about are those who dont bring an answer to everything

[tawny pebble]

Yeah, I had to wean off of this, haha.

The best CC is death.

[rare storm]

had so many psyker pubs run surge+deimos+ smite/br and then just die to having more than 3 adds on them

[long wharf]

maybe not, but a good strike team can definitely benefit from people having specialized focuses

but still, everybody needs horde clear (even if it's not the best)

[tawny pebble]

I have grown fond of Trauma to give myself personal space

[harsh urchin]

Disagree

I kinda expect my teammates to die and I'll just have to solo

[rare storm]

or honestly just generally learning how to use the different wep attack patterns

the deimos can horde quite well if you heavy swing properly

even the obscuras

[tawny pebble]

this i genuinely need help with lol

[long wharf]

no force sword handles the horde better than the Illisi

[harsh urchin]

Psyker weapons are pretty braindead

[rare storm]

Just go into the range and try out the h and l swings till you're kinda comfortable

[rare storm]

ye mostly

You can pretty much get away with light spamming

[tawny pebble]

I do have Blazing Spirit on my sword so that does help with clearing lol

[harsh urchin]

It actually doesn't

Sadly

[clear heath]

blazing spirit sword kinda sucks

you won't crit enough
when you do, half the time the enemy is already dead

and the power blessings are just way stronger

[tawny pebble]

Hm, maybe I just have survivorship bias then lol

I haven't gotten good rolls on a new melee weapon for awhile now

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon I took the terrible barrage LMB surge build on a regular T5. Even used RMB some. Top damage again wtf. 😂

Top damage makes this build seem not bad, BUT it is in fact not good.

[static needle]

is infernus good on MG Ia?

for gunpsyker?

[wheat quartz]

siblings, assail or surge (true aim abuse) for voidstrike?

assuming surge+flurry staff for true aim abuse and surge+nexus staff for assail

[static needle]

oh dang i didnt consider assail could build up ur true aim, thats cool

[wheat quartz]

ah sorry I meant to type smite

assail uses up the true aim as well, while if you farm it with smite smite cannot use it

[clear heath]

personally i like smite more, but both are good builds

[strong gulch]

Yeah both are good

[harsh urchin]

I would probably go either WC+BB(kf) and never use BB; or assail+DD if you're willing to use assail

I have never found a need for smite on VS

Cuz 99.9% of the time you're better off using the heat on VS

Rather than smite

[static needle]

if u run smite, do u want the extra lightning chain?

[wheat quartz]

you just flicker it to get true aim stacks iirc

it doesn't use a lot of peril to do that

[clear heath]

which F ability are you planning on running?

[strong gulch]

I like flurry beacuse void charge feels slow. I like smite because CC can be a touch weak when there is thicc horde near you.

[wheat quartz]

not sure yet - creeping flames or bubble

normally I play surge staff/smite/creeping flames/warp charges

[clear heath]

personally i don't care as much for assail cause i mostly run creeping flames and it covers groups so well already

[wheat quartz]

but the beloved Emperor gave me this so I wanted to try it out lol

[clear heath]

idk maybe just do assail/bubble for a change of pace then

might be fun

[royal pumice]

if you're gonna run surge should replace the flak damage buff with crit chance imo

[wheat quartz]

if I'm getting forced crits from true aim I technically don't need any crit

[rare storm]

I feel you get enough true aim charges with void to warrant not using assail to help you build up anyway

the cleave on void is insane

[rare storm]

this ye bascially

it's what I run on my void

but bossing wise, nexus+surge still better ig

[rare storm]

It's not bad

I think opening salvo/headhunter/deadly accurate is better tho

[static needle]

is deadly accurate or headhunter better?

opening salvo is not good

[wheat quartz]

I also have this one for surge/nexus but it rolled infested, kind of annoying

[static needle]

and it doesnt fuction properly on semi auto weapons

[static needle]

beautiful charge rate

[rare storm]

Eh I think it's a preference thing

[static needle]

.

[rare storm]

it's been working out for me

idk might try to change it out

but so far I had no real visible issues

[static needle]

Do you want this for gunpsyker with duelling sword? im running movement speed rather than this, dunno if its the right choice

[severe folio]

no harm in extra defense

[static needle]

would u run movement speed or this?

[rare storm]

I run a zoom zoom madlad magic man with gun

[whole oxide]

the trouble with tough-dam-reduct is that its multiplicative and therefore low numbers are usually pointless

[rare storm]

Again that one's kinda up to preference

[static needle]

yeah i do love the speed

but idk

[whole oxide]

20% isn't gonna be noticeable

[static needle]

eh i beg to differ

[rare storm]

I think it also depends how many dr nodes you have up

[whole oxide]

no, because, its multiplicative, if it was additive then it'd be good with more dr nodes

[severe folio]

this require the expertise of @plucky flax

the DR expert

[rare storm]

I think the thresh hold for diminishing returns would outweigh it

[rare storm]

That's what I'm saying?

If you have 3 dr nodes active then you don't need it

if you're running on empty

Then taking it would be better

[whole oxide]

no, it doesn't make a difference either way

[rare storm]

So you're just saying it's a shit node irregardless

[whole oxide]

yes

[rare storm]

okay

then speed it is

[whole oxide]

how good/bad it is does not depend on what other nodes youv'e taken

[severe folio]

if its multiplicative its kinda does depend on what other node youve taken

because, thats the reason why its not worth taking too much DR right ?

[harsh urchin]

Lolwut

20% is absolutely noticeable

[rare storm]

This is what I thought it was

but idk, I don't dive into dr that much

So I just accept whatever

[severe folio]

i know someone who does

[rare storm]

[severe folio]

the psykinetic aura is a pretty good DR

30% base on perik

if thats only 30% base on peril, imagine scrier giving peril, and another 20%

multiplicative but why wouldnt you want less damage on your toughnes

[harsh urchin]

The DR nodes are def worth taking if you can afford them

[severe folio]

figure so

[harsh urchin]

The problem is that a lot of time you have other shit you need to take

[severe folio]

wel if people dont take wildfire every single fukin time

maybe theyll have enough

[harsh urchin]

Wildfire with their blazing spirit swords

Lololol

[severe folio]

im

honestly st this point

i just want people to know what wildfire does

and if they still want to use its meager little function

then they can expend that point

[radiant sleet]

Mine also rolled infested, sucks but it certainly shreds through poxies even on an instant heavy shot. But I'm not well versed on breakpoints, maybe this happens by default and it's just a trash perk.

[severe folio]

but too many people don’t actually know what wildfire does, or what it doesnt

[rare storm]

is.. is there some hidden info outside of the text for it

[severe folio]

well, i wont just say what you might already know, so tel me what you know about wildfire

[rare storm]

isn't it just the node to spread sb to surrouding enemies in diminishing amounts after killing the initial one with sb

[severe folio]

more details, give example

[rare storm]

enemy 1 with 5 sb dies, spreads 4 sb stacks to enemy 2 3 4 5

enemy 2 3 4 5 dies with 3 sb stacks

gives 3 to other enemies

[severe folio]

okay

heres the thing

enemy 2 3 4 5 only get 1 sb stacks each

[rare storm]

ooo

[severe folio]

and enemy 2 3 4 5, if they die at 1 sb stack

that sb stack wont go anywhere, because they need to have at least 2

[rare storm]

can't remember the node right off back

[severe folio]

and heres another thing

[rare storm]

But I rmb there's some limit

[severe folio]

no enemy will die at 4 sb stacks

[rare storm]

they can't go above x stacks

[severe folio]

mmhm, it can only transfer 4 sb stacks in total

that means if there are only enemy 2 3, each enemy receive 2 sb

if theres only enemy 2, that enemy receive 4

[clear heath]

Idk, people talk about wildfire like it's some confusing buggy mess, but the only unintuitive part about wildfire to me is the fact that it caps ar 4 stacks and doesnt spread if at 1 stack.
The rest of how it works seems pretty straightforward to me

[rare storm]

so regardless of how many sb stacks the initial add has, it only spreads out 1 sb stack?

[severe folio]

It tries to even out the sb stacks towards other enemies

[rare storm]

oo

[severe folio]

so yes the more enemies next to the dead enemy, the less sb each enemy receive

oh heres an even worse one

enemy 1 with 4 sb die, enemy 2 has 3 sb already

[rare storm]

You know what, now I see why my testing from long ago gave me varrying amounts of sb stacks in the psykarium

[severe folio]

enemy 2 goes up to 4 stacks

not even 7 stacks

because it cannot go above 4

if enemy 2 has 4 stacks already, then enemy 1's 4 stacks go to them, but it vanish, just refresh enemy 2 stacks

[rare storm]

iirc from my testing, the stacks seem to prioritise wf stacks first if you have perilous

Which is nice

so you can KINDA break out of that 4 sb cap

up to 7

[severe folio]

you can do that with creeping flame and PC by itself

not thanks to Wildfire

Its thanks to PC have no cap

[rare storm]

i mean yea if you run venting

[severe folio]

What you can use wildfire** for

is to preserve up to 4 stacks to the next enemy

this make it worth when you cannot put a lot of sb stacks on enemies, limited sb generation like staff blessings or sword blessings

blazing spirit cap on staff is 6

so blazing an enemy with 4 stacks make them easy to go to 6 and 6 is when they start to die

4 sb on normal enemies is like 141 damage in total which is not even half their health

[clear heath]

yeah 4 doesn't even kill poxwalkers iirc

bruisers die at 6

[severe folio]

max vent shriek into wildfire enemies put them to 10

which is overkill for poxwalkers but very nice on flak enemies

[clear heath]

yeah i think gunners die at around 9?

[rare storm]

eh this just reinforces my belief that I never thought wf was that good

[severe folio]

you also have to give a lot of enemies a lot soulblaze

so instead of enemy 1 with 5 sb

we make an example of, enemy 1 2 3 4 have 5 sbs

they die, then the enemy 5 6 7 8 will receive a lot more sb from wildfire

[clear heath]

but also not have so much consistent soulblaze that wildfire is redundant cause 4 stack cap is nothing

i don't think it's very good on purg
cause realistically you'll get those 4 stacks on in no time

[severe folio]

realistically on staffs like purg you get 4 stacks in no time

but if you playing with vent shriek

or blaze trauma

vent shriek smite

blaze illisi

[clear heath]

i kinda like wildfire on shriek spam builds

like i run it on shriek spam but it's the first point i'd drop if i needed something else

[severe folio]

the desc of wildfire sound like it really should have been spreading 4 stacks on each enemies

but they not gonna give us a tool that spread 4 sb to each enemies when perilious combustion exist

[clear heath]

i kinda always assumed it was just 4 stacks split evenly because 4 atacks per target would be kinda busted

[severe folio]

4 stacks per target, no caps

instantly better PC

[clear heath]

it would be insane if it did that

but i can see why a new player would read it like that because the wording is really terrible

fatshark descriptions are so ass

just straight up wrong half the time

[radiant sleet]

If I do true aim + assail + void is it even worth it taking Warp Nexus? Because 1/5 shots you get a free crit anyways, but those other 4 have a good chance at being a surge shot.

Is flurry or the peril quell one better if I'm running this kind of setup?

[severe folio]

the wording is exactly as people misconcepted

[severe folio]

flurry sound right

since you will be criting often

[wheat quartz]

with true aim, flurry + surge seems to work out better

the more you can hit heads, the better it gets too

[radiant sleet]

Cheers thanks, flurry is the one I saved for last to test so now I'm excited to try it out

[wheat quartz]

it feels like smite/shriek feels better than assail/bubble though imo

[harsh urchin]

Yes you do need WN

Because true aim only works on trash

[rare storm]

Overall WN would be better still

[harsh urchin]

Against crushers/maulers and stuff the WN surge is going to be what kills them

[rare storm]

For general use aka dealing with monstrosities and high value targets like crushers

[wheat quartz]

I can force true aim with smite, is the thing

[rare storm]

if you want to purely use it as an add clear, then flurry is better

[wheat quartz]

So my thesis is that if you have smite, flurry is better, because you can force it to surge but you can't force it to cast faster on nexus

[rare storm]

I've actually not played since they "fixed" smite

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but then you're wasting time and heat not having your staff out

[rare storm]

What does smite even do now

[wheat quartz]

same thing it always did but it now randomly hits different locations rather than always chest

[rare storm]

There was a period where surge became useless ya

[wheat quartz]

so it can now hit heads = it can stack true aim

and can't consume it, so smite a bit and you're at 5 stacks in a hurry

you don't need to hold it very long

[harsh urchin]

There's just not a single situation

Where using smite

Beats just blasting with the staff

[dawn sphinx]

Now this is promising! Let's hope the blessing is good and I can easily replace the damage against groaners with maniacs and be fine.

[harsh urchin]

If you pull out smite, you couldve done more by not putting away your staff

[radiant sleet]

It's easier to farm true aim properly, but I don't enjoy the support playstyle sadly so I went assail/shriek and it's never let me down

[severe folio]

this is a bit too much hope

the penetration is pretty low

also thats an mk5

[dawn sphinx]

It's Hadron after all.

[radiant sleet]

Makes sense to me, I need the help vs crushers so maybe I'll stick with wn

[dawn sphinx]

I don't mind the MK5 that much. I prefer MK2, but. . . Does it's job, I suppose.

[rare storm]

if it emperor wills it, thy weapon will come

[severe folio]

what is the job you are hoping to do

[rare storm]

Heresy

The only acceptable dueling is the mk4

[dawn sphinx]

Survivability.

[severe folio]

then you wont get it from the mk5

[dawn sphinx]

What makes 4 so special?

[severe folio]

stab heavy attacks

very powerful stabs

penetrate armors

hits hard

hardest of all dueling swords

[harsh urchin]

It does 40% more dmg than the other ones for no reason

🤌

[severe folio]

do not know why mk5 want those strike down

its not an axe

[rare storm]

This is the only proof you need that puts mk4 on top

[dawn sphinx]

You've got me convinced, Sir.

[severe folio]

thats pre-15 isnt it

[rare storm]

I tested your smite true aim theory @wheat quartz

[severe folio]

CHendol

[rare storm]

The time it takes to get the 5 stacks is way too long

[severe folio]

thats not the latest patch is it

[wheat quartz]

depends on how much stuff the smite is hitting

[rare storm]

Was anything changed?

This was like 2 weeks ago

3?

[severe folio]

huh

2 weeks ago

so this is after the warp rider changes

is it ?

i have no concept of time

[dawn sphinx]

Guess I will keep my MK2 and heavy attack into block cancel to get the job done. For now.

[rare storm]

I just had covid so my brain is funky

[severe folio]

well

[rare storm]

What was the changes to warp rider lol

[wheat quartz]

hmmmm, napkin math time

the highest you can get crit chance on a nexus staff is, let's say, 7.5% base, 5% from that one crit node, 5% from crit aura, 5% from a crit perk on the staff, 20% from nexus, so that's 42.5% crit

the flurry version has 22.5% crit since it doesn't have nexus
let's say every fifth shot is an autocrit due to true aim to help normalize this comparison, and we aren't using smite to farm it

flurry helps you cast 25% faster
a surge proc ball is also a crit ball
so out of the time taken for the nexus to fire 100 shots, let's say...

nexus will actually fire 153 shots, of which 106 are crits

• 20 autocrits = +20 surge procs
• 80 normals at 42.5% crit rate = +33 surge procs
  flurry will actually fire 172 shots, of which 94 are crits
• base fire rate 125, since we shoot 25% faster
• 25 autocrits, +25 surge procs
• 22 crits/surge procs out of 100 normal shots

[severe folio]

warp rider at 0 peril give 10% damage

recent change

no free 10%

so

mk4 dont 1 shot mutant anymore unless you have 6 warp siphon or crit weakspot

[wheat quartz]

if that math is accurate, I don't actually think nexus is better, even if you aren't farming true aim with surge

someone doublecheck my assumptions

[rare storm]

Hmm might be before

[severe folio]

sadly

can still do exactly that with deimos though

[rare storm]

but with uncanny and precog* proced I can still 1 hit a nurgle blessed mutant

at 0 peril

[rare storm]

post wr "fix"

[severe folio]

precog you say

[rare storm]

ye

t4

[whole oxide]

your assumption is that you're firing into an endless horde of poxwalkers, but the case for surge is for oh-shit moments with 10 crushers appear, and you don't want to be playing statistics there

[wheat quartz]

nah this is one target (normalized true aim to 1-in-5)
if it was an endless horde of poxwalkers that would be a lot higher

I am assuming the player can always hit headshots, but this is lazy napkin math

[whole oxide]

ehhh, if i'm boxed in by crushers, i want a crit NOW, not statistically more after 100+ casts

[rare storm]

on paper yes, but also the peril you're using to get those 5 charges of true aim is WAYYY more than what you'd spend to cast 3/4 shots with void

[lyric burrow]

gunpsyker is great wym

[rare storm]

Just by testing in the psykarium

to get 5 charges of true aim with smite

[lyric burrow]

myself and multiple people have hit like 1 million damage with them

[rare storm]

I built up to 65% peril

Then shot my void once for that double shot

I have to quell

but if you were to just spam void

you'd be able to blast out 3/4 shots in the time

With much more efficient peril usage

to damage output

[wheat quartz]

right the math comparison isn't taking smite charge farming into account, it's just having true aim and firing at a single target like a plogryn

[rare storm]

WN would be better in every way

[wheat quartz]

the smite charge thing is a freebie if you were already smiting because you need to smite, you pull out the void and it's a free surge proc

[rare storm]

sad to say

Though it would have been a nice change of pace

if you're in a situation where you are using smite to the point where you're only holding true aim for only whenever you want to use void

You're not using void correctly

[wheat quartz]

no, it's got nothing to do with void dps comparison, it's a freebie, like I said

if you're smiting because you need to smite and you have smite
and you have true aim
then your next void shot will be an autocrit, which is convenient

[severe folio]

void also proc true aim

[rare storm]

but in any case if you were to run void, you wouldn't be using smite tbh

the cleave on void compensates for the cc of smite

[wheat quartz]

nah I see them a lot in auric damnation quickplay

[rare storm]

because pubs are generally stupid

Don't learn from pubs

[wheat quartz]

also, I'd say that's an apples vs oranges comparison

void cc is not the same as smite cc

[rare storm]

Yes it is different per se

But ultimately you're running 2 different things that accomplishes the same goal

[wheat quartz]

I'd disagree with "same goal"
smite is for cc'ing with a lot of spread out guys coming from multiple directions
void totally controls whatever you're firing at, but it's not good at doing that specific thing that smite is doing

and this is a tangent from the nexus vs flurry analysis since that was purely firing the staff at a hypothetical single target

[rare storm]

Yes that is the case, but in most cases, you'd smite to "stun" that large group then switch into a melee or your void anyway

But also yes, tangent aside

The one off shot where you build true aim using smite is so situational

[wheat quartz]

yes, which is why it's not part of the comparison

[rare storm]

that using it to replace nexus for flurry doesn't warrant it

[wheat quartz]

I just noted it as a neat free thing that you get

reread the napkin math post please, it does not include smite farming true aim at any point

[gleaming depot]

ok so when is warp battery getting fixed for the new update?

[rare storm]

I've been replying to the whole thing based on this comment

sorry I'm not sure if your stance has changed

[urban sandal]

it is fixed, you just need 6 stacks

I got it recently

[gleaming depot]

wack

sucks cause you cant ult

[wheat quartz]

for clarity - even if you are not using smite to farm true aim
over time it looks like the flurry staff gets roughly the same number of surge procs as the nexus staff, but fires more balls given the same time period

true aim is part of this comparison only in that I am giving both staves every fifth shot as a free crit in the napkin math

[gleaming depot]

voidstrike ftw

[urban sandal]

had it happen naturally playing archivum sycorax with shriek/bb since bb kinda sucks till the later stages of the map

[tawny kernel]

I am going to ask a heretical question

what gun is the best gun for gun psyker?

[wheat quartz]

Columnus 5 infantry autogun has been doing wonderful things

[gleaming depot]

you didnt shriek the whole time?

[rare storm]

ah okay mb, but still in the end

it boils down that what you're using the staff for

if it's in the case of crusher hordes or monstrosities

Having the immediate rng benefit of more crit chances at the moment

[urban sandal]

only if I had to save myself from blowing up

[rare storm]

far outweights the overall crit per 100+ cast

[gleaming depot]

that cracks the stack though

[rare storm]

if you want overall higher dps, I guess, sure, your maths checks out

so on paper it's better

but in an actual game you run, WN would 100% play better

[urban sandal]

5 minutes of a game isnt that long on high difficulties with all the elites everywhere to get stacks

[severe folio]

my wifi is so bad right now

i wish i can play with solo mode

with rewards

😔

[gleaming depot]

whats for monstrosities?

[rare storm]

It's a thing he's saying for voidstrike

Where flurry would be better than nexus for procing surge

[wheat quartz]

more balls per unit time

or so it looks from a lazy calc

[rare storm]

I believe the immediate benefits would put nexus on top of flurry tbh

but I do believe the overall damage output in the whole game, flurry would come on top

but that's not what you'd want surge for on void (I hope at least)

Since it's intended to be a crusher/monstrosity melter

not a stat padder

[wheat quartz]

to be fair, it also massacres everything else, lol

[rare storm]

ehh it does

void is just a bs staff

[iron flame]

Wish I get a good void staff already

[gleaming depot]

feel like im leaning towards nexus

[wheat quartz]

both are great

[iron flame]

The one I am using make me feel so useless

[wheat quartz]

nexus feels better

like a coinflip chance to double shot and totally obliterate whatever you were pointing it at

dopamine hit

[iron flame]

Can't even kill mauler without it taking forever

[rare storm]

I say all this but this is the void I run

fun to shoot down hordes with

[gleaming depot]

now thats a staff

[elder forge]

im relitivly new to this game and i really like this class but im having difficulties just staying alive honestly

[rare storm]

imo the "best" would be surge+wn if you want to use it to immediately melt stuff

but if you want to spam out hordes, surge+flurry OR transfer peril

transfer peril is GREAT

[restive slate]

I use Surge + Soulblaze haha

[rare storm]

what teh hail

heresy

[wheat quartz]

isn't that worse than blazing trauma
it'd definitely still work though

[restive slate]

Meh I like seeing blue flames hahaha

[rare storm]

void kills things too fast for blazing spirit to be of any use

[restive slate]

I use Blazing Rending Trauma too hahahaha

[rare storm]

No this is acceptable

Cause I do too

[wheat quartz]

I don't have a blazing/rending, sadly, I only have blazing/nexus

[rare storm]

Although admittedly kinda meme

[wheat quartz]

It's still great

[rare storm]

Blazing rending is like you can't decide which you wanna be

so you take part of either path

and hope it works out

[restive slate]

It crits enough imo

[rare storm]

but in all seriousness, please sibling, take blazing off of void

[wheat quartz]

blazing/nexus feels like it does purgatus' job on top of being a trauma and thus inherently good cc/damage

[gleaming depot]

feel like nexus and surge could be good together with fast peril gen

[rare storm]

the fire you see is not from the blazing

[restive slate]

I've got 3 voids, meta, meme and experimental

[rare storm]

are you lv30 yet?

if not then ye, psykers are pretty squishy

[elder forge]

no lol

[rare storm]

ye you just gotta ball through with assail

[restive slate]

Avoid melee like the plague

[elder forge]

dang it be like that

[rare storm]

the best survivability is a dead heretic

[rare storm]

I see

[restive slate]

Purgatus is good too to carry you to level30

[rare storm]

may I see the meme one sibling

[restive slate]

Plenty of damage, stagger, easy to use

[elder forge]

not sure what that is tbh

[spice veldt]

spam them dodges

[rare storm]

I've got a meme base I'm waiting to try and build

[spice veldt]

against ranged attacks, you have your usual i-frames

[rare storm]

[restive slate]

At work now, but its soulblaze warp nexus haha

[rare storm]

praying for crit or die

[restive slate]

FIRE

[spice veldt]

against melee attacks, it's similar to i-frames but the game checks for how close you are to the attack, and the distance at which you are safe is on a per-attack basis

you'll notice your dodges getting shorter and having a longer cooldown, where you'll need to wait 0.85s for all of your dodges to refresh

[rare storm]

wdym, psyker melee is strong af

[spice veldt]

spam them dodges

[wheat quartz]

currently I'm using #2 out of these three
wish #3 wasn't infested

[rare storm]

or do you mean getting HIT by melee

[restive slate]

Theyre leveling still, for us its fine

[rare storm]

eh that's true

[restive slate]

Psyker duelling sword can even compete with a Zealot

[rare storm]

You don't seem to like quel speed

[elder forge]

gonna play with the skill tree for a bit but ill send pics for what i come up with if thats cool

[wheat quartz]

vagaries of hadron rng

[rare storm]

hadron do be a bitch

[wheat quartz]

would like higher, but that's what the slot machine gives

[restive slate]

Thats a dirty word

[wheat quartz]

lel

[restive slate]

How dare you call Hadron a slot

[wheat quartz]

she takes all my plasteel, and gives me only suffering

[gleaming depot]

in a race for plasteel, there is only pain

[rare storm]

once I 100% remnant 2 again I will be back for that plasteel grind

[gleaming depot]

i shouldnt have thousands of diamantine and crumbs for plasteel

[rare storm]

[wheat quartz]

really wish they'd let us sink that somehow
like remove a crafting lock or upgrade a blessing or move the stat bars around

like some way to actually use it

[restive slate]

Fatshark convert mats when?

[wheat quartz]

rather than let tens of thousands of it stack up pointlessly

[rare storm]

For the small price of $9.99, you can convert 1000 diamantine to 1 plasteel

[urban sandal]

convert aquilas to plasteel you say?

[gleaming depot]

imagine throwing away the based crafting system vermintide was

[severe folio]

convert plasteel to aquila

[clear heath]

one day they'll let us use diamantine for something

[gleaming depot]

like at least let me break down junk for some mats

[rare storm]

[restive slate]

What about Melkies

[unborn flicker]

So uh, what is best dueling sword?

[restive slate]

4 by popular vote

[wheat quartz]

4

[unborn flicker]

4 it is then

time to spend

[restive slate]

I prefer 2 though but thats just me

[gleaming depot]

i prefer force

[wheat quartz]

4's heavies were uberbuffed over the other two for some inexplicable fatshark reason

[rare storm]

With decent aim and timing, you can actually use the illisi like a better d4 dueling

[unborn flicker]

I was a team of 4 pyskers in a maelstrom and three of us kept dying but one chad with a dueling sword just finnessed the fuck out of all the enemies

[wheat quartz]

here's my 4, for example, compared to...

[rare storm]

sounds about right

[wheat quartz]

here's 5

[restive slate]

It was duelling time

[rare storm]

the alt attack syncs in with the heavy attacks

[wheat quartz]

like why is the difference that huge fatshark

[restive slate]

He duelled all over them

[rare storm]

UNECESSARILY quickly

Almost looks like an attack cancel

[unborn flicker]

No like we got wiped twice but this one person just sprinted non stop with dueling and got entire team up twice

[rare storm]

which is kinda dumb

[gleaming depot]

why did the force swords have to be shite

[restive slate]

Combine that with how fast Psyker shoots bolts, out sparkheads have mad fast hands

[restive slate]

Illisi and Deimos still servicable

[unborn flicker]

its dumb but I need it or ill feel depressed

I was trying this

[restive slate]

Obscurus has no excuse

[unborn flicker]

but its ass

[rare storm]

force swords are anything but shit

unless you're talking about obscurus

But we don't talk about that here

[gleaming depot]

yea i main the deimos. feel like the rapier gets stroked

[unborn flicker]

deimos is a single target rocket launcher

but against hords

[floral kayak]

Being able to vent with melee weapon out and blocking, with kinetic deflection is pretttty good

[rare storm]

get flakiack on it and you're golden lol

[unborn flicker]

I cant get it to work

[floral kayak]

what is 'deimos?'

[gleaming depot]

oh dude it slaps. easily my favorite

[unborn flicker]

thats all?

[rare storm]

or unyielding+maniac

[unborn flicker]

I thought 4 was better?

[rare storm]

I run unyielding maniac on mine

4 is better

but 5 is fine

[vapid lichen]

single-target-oriented force sword

[restive slate]

Deimos force sword. The one that looks like it has a pp head

[mighty plover]

Does Smite's stun count towards the Thunderstrike blessing? (+DMG when enemy is staggered)

[rare storm]

4 is just better because it has an overall better moveset for the insane finesse damage it has to play into

[unborn flicker]

...

man idk why this sword is so meta

[floral kayak]

Cheers guys

[unborn flicker]

it seems meh

not meh

but like

dude that was using it made it seem like excaliber

[rare storm]

he's probably using a mk4

The moveset plays very heavily into the dueling

[rare storm]

or that

[spice veldt]

note the mk5 dealing less than half the damage that the mk4 does to carapace

[rare storm]

the fact that mk4 does almost 2x the dmg damn

[unborn flicker]

thats crazy wtf

[rare storm]

did not know it was that big of a descrepency

[unborn flicker]

why

[floral kayak]

I had been using chainsword for great, safe horde control and cleave by spamming heavies, but I'm missing the venting while blocking. I'm not really sold on any of the swords atm

[rare storm]

cause fs buff

[spice veldt]

i guess they forgot to make the appropriate changes to the duelling swords

[wheat quartz]

fatshark forgot the 2 and 5

[spice veldt]

the mk2 was supposed to be the only variant that received the cleave buffs to its lights

oh well

[rare storm]

Also arcotash do you know anything about this one

I would assume it does....?

[unborn flicker]

bro mk 4 is like a totally different beast from mk 5

im playing with them rn

its crazt

y

[spice veldt]

you should only inflict thunderstrike stacks if your active weapon is the one with that blessing

[rare storm]

oh so it's not a global thing

[spice veldt]

basically, while an enemy is staggered, you inflict stacks of thunderstrike

[floral kayak]

Is there much point in taking a single target sword if you're running surge staff?

[spice veldt]

and then those enemies will take bonus damage proportional to the amount of thunderstrike stacks taht they have

[unborn flicker]

what are best blessings for a mk4 dueling sword?

[rare storm]

not really, you'd want to have a cc option

[mighty plover]

right, so if im using a devil claw with thunderstrike as a Vet, and my psycker teamate is using smite on the enemy, does it count as 'Stagger'

[spice veldt]

but this damage bonus is only active while the enemy is staggered

[rare storm]

you can run a single target sword still, just switch up your blitz to assail

[spice veldt]

that I don't know, but I assume it should?

[glacial socket]

hey siblings I need some help

[spice veldt]

i would test but I'm too lazy to close my 1000 tabs for the moment and start up darktide

[floral kayak]

Yeah, I'm looking in the direction of MKV force sword, but it's a bit weird and the lights have no CC lol

[glacial socket]

I dont use surge much, was wondering about blessings and perks

[rare storm]

Welcome to the life of a d4 user

You will never leave now

[unborn flicker]

fuckkkkk

I always thought force was the way

cuz deflector

and shit

[rare storm]

a dahe awha what

Which is the mkv

[spice veldt]

mkv is the illisi

[rare storm]

ahh

cc boi

[spice veldt]

force swords have their own appeal

i expect the mk4 duellies to get tuned down very slightly

[urban sandal]

I feel like the black sheep over here using devils claw

[gleaming depot]

they feel niche

[floral kayak]

Seems like it would go with surge better than most others

[spice veldt]

i really do not like the deimos personally because of the moveset

[unborn flicker]

I think I just converted to dueling for now

[gleaming depot]

like theyre underapprechiated

[spice veldt]

the illisi is the only force sword that I'd personally run

[rare storm]

Ye the deimos doesn't hit as well for some reason

illisi on top

[severe folio]

i like dclaw too

[rare storm]

dclaw is fun

[floral kayak]

Warp flurry good, need crit on high OC blessing too. Check breakpoints for flak and maniac

[rare storm]

I like the parry

[severe folio]

honestly i been using dueling sword for so long i feel like i want to play other melee

[spice veldt]

yeah, I'm on that illisi grindset currently

[clear heath]

i just use illisi cause it's cool

[spice veldt]

it's a shame that I'm not dunking on crushers and maulers as quickly

but I win in other aspects so that's nice

[gleaming depot]

i chose deimos pretty early cause i thought i didnt like the illisi. ill have to try it out. mustve been low finesse at early level

[rare storm]

I think you can just change specialists to maniac and barrage to nexus and you're good

it's a nice staff

[unborn flicker]

what are best blessings?

[spice veldt]

the illisi is also unique for having a different special than the other two force swords

[rare storm]

uncanny (must) + precog/riposte

[wheat quartz]

uncanny riposte is comfy

[severe folio]

im on the cadia chainsword

[spice veldt]

and the one problem is that the warp resistance scaling is really wide

from 45% peril to 5% peril

[unborn flicker]

hells yeah

[floral kayak]

Devil claw users: What are ideal blessings and perks?

[gleaming depot]

i dont remeber what that was

[spice veldt]

it's the same as the power sword special, if you've played vet

basically your attack cleaves through a bunch of enemies

[rare storm]

I like sweep+rampage