You know who ... there are only one kind of thing to summon in WH40k... "Warp Enteties"
#psyker-class
idle bay
late yew
You know who ... there are only one kind of thing to summon in WH40k... "Warp En...
And you know this si not happening
Especially since PSYKERS can't summon shit
Sorcerers can
reminds me Inquisitor MArtyr game though
There, if you got high peril,. you would summon anomalies and demons
that are hostile of course
late yew
They should do that here. You explode poof a demonhost
that would be funny
idle bay
Sorcerers can
Well .. back in pre-Heresy times... But it does not matter nowdays. But flavory heretically - shiny Ghosts of Gurdsmen fighting alongside rejects ..
late yew
Ghosts are not a thing in 40k
soft hinge
If there will ever be any kind of summoning in darktide then I'd imagine it'd be a tech priest class of some kind summoning servitors
halcyon creek
They should do that here. You explode poof a demonhost
That but simply a weakened Daemonhost. Or a pack of Sassy Nurglings
idle bay
Wrong. There full list of noncorporial warp entities of any kind by any name. But unenlighted simply call everything from the warp - demons 🙂
late yew
cloest thing to summon class could be something like Techpriest, maknig servoskulls with machine guns
soft hinge
cloest thing to summon class could be something like Techpriest, maknig servosku...
Dats what I said 
halcyon creek
now kiss
soft hinge
Dunno how likely it is they'll actually add a 5th class tho
late yew
~~now kiss~~
WHAT IF I KISS YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?!
WHAT IF TAKE YOU TO A NICE DINNER
idle bay
Dunno how likely it is they'll actually add a 5th class tho
As paid DLC - sure
soft hinge
They'd have to make a whole new talent tree, do all the different voices and and dialogue interactions and so on....
soft hinge
or Katachan fighter
Isn't that what the commando vet tree is supposed to be?
halcyon creek
Catachan Guardsmen wouldn’t vibe with the Inquisitorial hierarchy
idle bay
or Katachan fighter
As Ogryn re-skin. Easy to pull for shark 🙂
quasi junco
I bet we get a new human and ogyrn class. Who knows when
soft hinge
Ratling could be 5th class
Also didnt FS already say no to ratlings?
idle bay
Also didnt FS already say no to ratlings?
Ratlings unlikely for same reasons as no scoreboard and body type 1 and 2
slender coyote
do you guys think there will be librarians in space marine II ?
halcyon creek
Imagine a Catachan in the “I AM A WARRIOR” scene
late yew
As Ogryn re-skin. Easy to pull for shark 🙂
well they are about as tall as short ogryns
late yew
Also didnt FS already say no to ratlings?
I don't know, when?
idle bay
well they are about as tall as short ogryns
And much more menacing looking 🙂
quasi junco
Maybe we will get Gurlgyrns too
late yew
What either of tohse have to do with ratlings
idle bay
What either of tohse have to do with ratlings
woke morons will call ratlings offensive.
tender osprey
Oh it’s one of those people
late yew
Wat
granite mauve
i don't think i've ever seen anyone call a ratling offensive in ever
idle bay
ugly smelly with hairy legs - woke activists will for sure suspect that it's caricature of them 🙂
granite mauve
uh
quasi junco
So they are Ewoks?
tender osprey
Ewoks are dope man
idle bay
There were extremely badass ewok in SWTOR
tender osprey
I dont know what kinda solidarity or political point he’s trying to make with his woke screeching. But it’s definitely working on me ngl
quasi junco
lol it’s hard to use that word as everyone has their own definition
tender osprey
It’s a catch all
It has no meaning
Not anymore
It means literally whatever you want it to
karmic delta
Is the woke morons in the room with us right now
granite mauve
it's the soyjack of words
next berry
ugly smelly with hairy legs - woke activists will for sure suspect that it's car...
yo look at this tasty cup of orange juice I got
its nice n cold
quasi junco
Add vodka
karmic delta
Ted wtf is that
spice oar
This person is thinking
tender osprey
he would say that
next berry
i like drinking cold orange juice
granite mauve
worthy of public execution
tender osprey
i like drinking cold orange juice
how criminal
next berry
yall act like its a creation of stan
fallen zodiac
is that a bowl
quasi junco
Vodka is good by itself no need to mix it.
Vodka needs help. I like tonic water
idle bay
Why not other kind of juice? Do you hate apple juice ?
karmic delta
are you sure thats juice
next berry
im gonna fuckin add alcohol to it
karmic delta
and not not-juice
next berry
so i can deal with u weirdos
quasi junco
Contains less than 2% juice
idle bay
Vodka needs help. I like tonic water
In form of snacks to accompany it. Though some find variant of mixture of vodka with other beverfges to their likng.
tender osprey
guys tbh i think the ogryn is offensive and we should remove it
and psykers
vets and zealots should only eggsits
next berry
can u stop detracting the conversation from my orange juice
tender osprey
noh
next berry
smh
granite mauve
you put orange juice in a bowl with ice cubes stfu
granite mauve
that's a a bowl
next berry
its a cup
granite mauve
wakcy ass cup
tender osprey
WDYM
granite mauve
what kind of goofy cup is that
idle bay
@quasi junco also there are few brands of vodka that so smooth .. thay you can barely feel it, until it hits the stomach. That kind does not need help, only snack after to not get wasted too fast 🙂
next berry
its a normal cup
did ur perspective of reality get shifted just cuz i took the pic on the rim of the cup
granite mauve
nuh uh
tender osprey
: )
next berry
its literally orange juice
granite mauve
corn syrup
quasi junco
<@993847045343420426> also there are few brands of vodka that so smooth .. thay...
I’m partial to Buckeye vodka. Bottled very close to me
tender osprey
woke - insert weird derogatory -
quasi junco
Imagine not drinking out of stainless steel
late yew
Fuckn qlcoholics
quasi junco
Jokes on you, I only drink on days ending in Y
tender osprey
im fucked up on four lokos 24/7
quasi junco
I remember those, weren’t they banned?
tender osprey
noh they were remade thoguh
bcuz ppl were getting uber uber fucked up on the og ones, so they dialed it back a bit
strong gulch
left hare
soft hinge
Does block efficiency work on kinetic deflection?
idle bay
Does block efficiency work on kinetic deflection?
It worked before. And should be working still. I say more - Stamina affects it to - higher the stamina - lower the Peril gain from KD
soft hinge
More stamina makes you gain less preril from KD?
idle bay
More stamina makes you gain less preril from KD?
Yup 🙂 It goes into denominator of peril formula for KD and have a very significant impact on peril gain.
idle bay
Just one +3 Stamina curio makes wonders with it
orchid nest
yeah just make sure its a stamina curio with at least 76 base rating for the stamina part. a 75 one will only give you 2 stamina in mission due to rounding shenanigans.
idle bay
Imagine peril gain on KD from +9 Stamina (Curios) +2 Stamina (weapon perk) (though we might hit stamina cap if it exists for psyker), and then on top of that get block cost reduction 36% from Curios , 20% weapon perk , and if Deflector blessing cost reduction part will finally actually work (was reported as bugged multiple times) - you will be getting fractions of Peril from blocking
At this point your are tankier than ogryn when blocking.
Though this build is just for memes 🙂
Please don't do that at home!
whole oxide
but then, surprise crusher overhead
soft hinge
Imagine peril gain on KD from +9 Stamina (Curios) +2 Stamina (weapon perk) (tho...
It was my plan to make that build actually...
idle bay
but then, surprise crusher overhead
Yup 🙂 Build still requires to have good situational awareness and eyes on the back of the head (0ne extra mutation one less.. who cares)
icy veldt
what is psykers flamethrower ability that i see with smite?
orchid nest
venting shriek with creeping flames is probably what you're thinking of
neon bobcat
I've been wanting to try a gunpysker build, but I'm not sure what I should use. Any suggested changes?
Right now I'm just using Illisi and Laspistol, but I might try the Columnus
icy veldt
venting shriek with creeping flames is probably what you're thinking of
yupp thank you
orchid nest
I've been wanting to try a gunpysker build, but I'm not sure what I should use. ...
you don't really need toughness on peril gain, it's our weakest one even with scriers. I would personally lose that and battle meditation. while the aura radius increase is nice too I don't think it's worth the -5% peril gain node in a scriers build. I would use those 4 points between the choices of - quietude if you use assail a lot, more toughness, more points in scriers.
idle bay
Also that dodge upgrade node next to Empathic Dodge- will make you feel like Neo in Matrix
orchid nest
yeah that is good as well
neon bobcat
Anticipation? I've read it was bugged and doesn't provide the +50% Dodge Duration it describes
that's the only reason I had Empathic Evasion specced instead
orchid nest
I think that is correct, you should still get the extra dodge though
idle bay
That 1 extra dodge may be difference between getting head smashed and staying alive
silk hawk
idle bay
17
neon bobcat
17% iirc
idle bay
But super rare and bricked usualy
neon bobcat
So something like this
severe folio
small little hotfix
orchid nest
So something like this
if you only have one empathic evasion is definitely better than the dodge count one. I would personally be too tempted to not have that last toughness node below warp rider too but I like a lot of toughness
neon bobcat
I'll probably just swap the scrier's stuff for those then. Not sure I'd feel the 20% MS and TDR anyway
neon bobcat
Anticipation? I've read it was bugged and doesn't provide the +50% Dodge Duratio...
That's what I said, but they said the extra dodge is worth so 🤷♂️
orchid nest
it's worth considering I don't think it's a must have though
summer prairie
It may work but it's melee only and increases dodge linger from 0.2s to 0.3s
orchid nest
sorry if I wasn't clear on that
soft hinge
I wonder if stacking dodge bonuses is worth a build
severe folio
i personally would not take a bugged talent
wouldnt
who fukin said Anticipation make you feel like Neo lol
Empathic Evasion IS the neo talent
late yew
Yup 🙂 It goes into denominator of peril formula for KD and have a very signific...
WHAT
Where is this info from
orchid nest
true
the stamina for KD thing is real. I assume he was pulling the formula from the atheneum but it's been that way forever
idle bay
Where is this info from
Pygex did some intense research
severe folio
3 max stamina curio deflector gameplay moment
orchid nest
to be fair I recall the initial research into how the formula was working was a pretty large collaboration in this channel but he did document it, yeah
idle bay
It was (and probably still is) in his Atheneum guide
severe folio
i dont see anything related to stamina in the codex in the kinetic deflection section
orchid nest
I remember it being in there before. not sure why it would be gone
severe folio
maybe its no longer the case ?
fading iris
Just one +3 Stamina curio makes wonders with it
severe folio
run and gun would have been a good blessing on force sword
let you sprint while blocking
orchid nest
it's definitely still the case, very easy to see equipping one stamina curio and trying it out with the creature spawner mod
steel flame
Fixed an issue where the amount of bonus Ordo Dockets and Experience gained from Curios would be incorrectly calculated if a player died and was later rescued during the mission.
huh
i guess that one guy a while back wasnt bullshitting
orchid nest
yeah it would get multiplied every time I guess
steel flame
go figure
severe folio
huh
steel flame
#justfatsharkthings
severe folio
why would that
bug the ordos
lol
what is their code fortress
such a weird interaction
soft hinge
The code must be beyond spaghetti
summer prairie
something about metabuffs not being reapplied to player ids properly in-game
idle bay
The code must be beyond spaghetti
Wibbly-wobly-timey-whimey-spghetting-infnitely-looping-code
With elements like Pinaple picture in TF2. That can't be removed or game will not run
late yew
Pygex did some intense research
So what stamina exactly does?
coarse bane
orchid nest
So what stamina exactly does?
this was the old version with the formula for it. not sure why he removed it
idle bay
this was the old version with the formula for it. not sure why he removed it
I was looking for it. Thanks!
orchid nest
the old wisdom regarding it as I recall was adding stamina first was much more effective than block efficiency and then it eventually switched
idle bay
i miss good old days of AFK tanking Demonhost as Psyker....
orchid nest
lol yeah, with the passive quelling not being interrupted/set back
idle bay
When that thing was on - i was testing how much reapers/gunners and coomon shooters can you passively tank with KD when passive quelling balances it out
orchid nest
it should be 97% peril I think and not 90% but I imagine that formula is still the same. for the image.
orchid nest
in general it's still popular but it is a lesser picked one on psyker for sure compared to sniper
idle bay
Or did you all switch to sniper?
Sniper resists on Psyker and vet. Gunner + Sniper resists on Ogryn.
quartz barn
I pref gunner resist cuz you can atleast dodge snipers
digital narwhal
Do you people still use gunner resist?
I use both
quartz barn
With gunners you can just get instabeamed if youre not careful
digital narwhal
Gunner Resist + Sniper Resist + Toughness Regeneration
clear heath
1x sniper 2x gunner
idle bay
And i use sniper res only beacuse of shit-netcode that tells you "nope you did not dodged sniper - kark you lol"
quartz barn
You always get hit before the smoke effect though?
idle bay
More like after shot sound and animation. While being in cover a moment before the shot
clear heath
i run just enough to not die at half hp to a sniper so I dont get destroyed when rezzed on a sniper shot
idle bay
Though it's very unstable. Sometimes you can mess-up dodge timing and not get shot....
They are only stably dodgable in Meat grinder. In Missions - it depends on postion o stars more likely 🙂
quartz barn
Seems more like a personal thing tho, prob tied to region because i dont have that experience at all
potent echo
UPDATE?????
quartz barn
Snipers do be wallhacking tho
idle bay
Seems more like a personal thing tho, prob tied to region because i dont have th...
latency + servers sometimes acting up
severe folio
smite psyker are something else
proven belfry
How useful is emphatic evasion node?
severe folio
if you crit a lot you can practically stand in firing line out in the open
proven belfry
I tried testing it in psykhanium. It decays really quickly
orchid nest
one of the best nodes in the tree if you crit a lot
severe folio
yes well
its only 1 second
its suppose to happen as long as you have something to hit
proven belfry
So its best with fast crit weps I see
potent echo
no update 
quartz barn
Voidstrike my beloved
orchid nest
like if you're using say a purg staff or columnus or something like that it's incredible
hearty oak
If you run crit gunker with the mk 5 colum, you are practically invincible to gunners
proven belfry
Ok guess imma consider using my points on it. Could be really useful for my gunker
Speaking of gunker, is it better I use laspistol or the semi auto Lasgun one?
hearty oak
laspistol
proven belfry
Is it cause of crits?
orchid nest
laspistol, columnus, and revolver are generally the popular ones but the others are definitely still viable/good now too
hearty oak
that and cause his psyker's mobility is already bad enough
proven belfry
Aight. Makes sense. Lasgun feels slow. But what about the rapid fire one?
orchid nest
the recon lasguns are ok I would definitely prefer the current laspistol over them though
but I use columnus for now on my gunker
hearty oak
Not worth it. Pistol will just feel better. I dont know if it has higher crit chance (Dont quote me)
proven belfry
Damn. Laspistol kind of hurts to use. My pointy finger goes clickin alot
hearty oak
carpal tunnel incarnate
potent echo
you can consider getting the full auto mod on nexus
orchid nest
there is a mod for that if you don't mind that sort of thing
proven belfry
you can consider getting the full auto mod on nexus
HMMMM
potent echo
i dont like it though
proven belfry
Imma see thanks!
orchid nest
I like the pure close range power of columnus I can't deny that laspistol is super strong and fun to zoom around with though. also style points for being the most lore appropriate gun for a psyker
and yeah the push can actually be useful
orchid nest
not sure offhand but the top range is 131 according to gameslantern. that should be for 100 I think
so probably something like 125
digital narwhal
Whats the differnece between an 80 and 66 damage laspistol?
Should be fine tbh
potent echo
it might affect other armor modifier too, not just raw damage
digital narwhal
Crits hit like a truck anyway, so I doubt you'll miss major BPs
orchid nest
true, it does
digital narwhal
it might affect other armor modifier too, not just raw damage
That's Stopping Power (iirc)
orchid nest
but only for unarmored and infested
hearty oak
orchid nest
I would say it's a very good base, the difference will be tiny
digital narwhal
Bricked
potent echo
thats like a 0/4
hearty oak
Ill use it as a 100% off coupon at hadrons for the next time
late yew
orchid nest
cmon fatshark, let us dual wield a staff and laspistol like the models 
proven belfry
When using scriers gaze do you guys try quelling it too? Or nah?
opal pebble
I tried when I used it but eventually there’s too much to quell without getting kills
potent echo
When using scriers gaze do you guys try quelling it too? Or nah?
depends on the situation, but sometimes*
usually you just go ham and wait for the next scrier
hearty oak
When using scriers gaze do you guys try quelling it too? Or nah?
Use it more for when you are getting in the thick of things and try to minimize the amount of peril you could use
Like using assail or charging your force sword
late yew
When using scriers gaze do you guys try quelling it too? Or nah?
Well normally you want to use it with melee or guns, not staves or blitz
no, assail is bad idea to use with scrier
whole oxide
worth quelling if you're near peril-cap in the first 2-3 seconds, but i wouldn't keep doing it to try and maintain scriers, time spent quelling is a dps reduction that scriers won't offset
late yew
Laspistol + scrier is highest boss damage Psyker can acquire btw
hearty oak
as apposed to using smite, it's the better option to seeing lots of everything die
neon bobcat
Should I change anything on this?
I was just thinking of using it as is until I can find Warp Nexus 4 fodder to eat and re-bless onto it
orchid nest
columnus isn't too far behind on the boss dps if you're hitting headshots. laspistol will beat it easily on a monstrosity in ammo efficiency though because of the burn and missing headshots
vraks 3 used to be better too I think but not sure if that caught a nerf
hearty oak
I'm just gonna keep using the revolver till I get a good laspistol that isn't immediately shitcanned
devout flume
Is surge staff still bugged?
orchid nest
try out a columnus too, even a crappy one. they are both worth trying if that appeals to you
see which one you like more
willow hazel
Is surge staff still bugged?
a little but it's manageable
devout flume
a little but it's manageable
Can you elaborate
hearty oak
I do have one. Just the dps on the revolver for landing shots is too great
proven belfry
vraks 3 used to be better too I think but not sure if that caught a nerf
Yeah is that the headhunter with triple burst fire? Whats a good blessing on it for gunker?
orchid nest
Is surge staff still bugged?
if by bugged you mean still not really benefitting all the time from your surges perks because of the armor types then yeah that still seems to be the case post hotfix
hearty oak
Although, I am thinking I'm not getting as much value out of raking fire as much as a psyker
devout flume
if by bugged you mean still not really benefitting all the time from your surges...
Fair, thanks
willow hazel
Can you elaborate
It still targets random body parts. So hitting the arms on a gunner can miss one shot breakpoints without +unarmored
orchid nest
Yeah is that the headhunter with triple burst fire? Whats a good blessing on it ...
deadly accurate and between the eyes I believe
proven belfry
Gotcha gotcha. Thanks!
devout flume
It still targets random body parts. So hitting the arms on a gunner can miss one...
Interesting, wasn't that supposed to be fixed?
willow hazel
Interesting, wasn't that supposed to be fixed?
It also used to do 50% damage when it hit mosst limbs, they fixed that
devout flume
Ah so it still hits them but just does full damage, is how they fixed it
willow hazel
a weird side effect is the Surge does 2.5x damage to beast of nurgles
orchid nest
Gotcha gotcha. Thanks!
could also do headhunter for more dps but it kind of fights against true aim a bit. it still adds more crits but the crit strings devalue it a bit. ghost is probably an option too instead of between the eyes
devout flume
So now the issue is that even though it does full damage to limbs it can potentially hit different armour types and thus get sub optimal damage based on what your perks might be
am i understanding it correctly?
orchid nest
yes
more accurately it ignores hit zone modifiers completely now. so like it doesn't get a damage penalty against monstrosities anymore
devout flume
so it doesn't do bonus when it hits the head either?
orchid nest
it does do bonus damage to the head because that is determined by the weapons weak spot damage and not a hit zone modifier on the head
willow hazel
more accurately it ignores hit zone modifiers completely now. so like it doesn't...
It also does full damage to scab captain's shield
orchid nest
not completely anyways, monstrosities for example do have a 0.8 modifier to ranged damage to head normally
orchid nest
It also does full damage to scab captain's shield
that is funny, yeah makes sense.
we'll see what they do I guess. if their fix for the perk thing is to simply roll back the changes for now that'll be gone
indigo maple
Wait, what’s wrong with Surge? Why does it need fixing?
orchid nest
I forgot to test if fire frenzy is still 8m too. I'll check later I guess. Probably still is.
sinful olive
Wait, what’s wrong with Surge? Why does it need fixing?
iirc it's still targeting random bodyparts, which is a problem because armor types will differ based on which body part ends up being targeted even though they fixed the previous issue with limb damage being random. so they fixed one part of it, but not the other.
plucky flax
I forgot to test if fire frenzy is still 8m too. I'll check later I guess. Proba...
Yeah still 8m. I just tested it shooting something at 14m and didn't get firefrenzy.
summer prairie
there are no undocumented changes
indigo maple
iirc it's still targeting random bodyparts, which is a problem because armor typ...
Damn, I never noticed. I can see how that makes a big damage difference, hopefully FatShark figures it out
plucky flax
Damn, I never noticed. I can see how that makes a big damage difference, hopeful...
Basically with a nice rolled surge and +25% flak you could always 1 shot shotgunner.
Now it's up to RNG if you 1 shot it or not.
And you know shotgunners are kinda strong.
sinful olive
btw would any of you be interested if I posted some napkin math regarding surge + flurry vs surge + nexus and why I think the former is superior
on the void staff that is
orchid nest
relying on true aim for the crits is definitely good too, yeah. flurry is really nice. I was using a transfer + surge one for a bit there but haven't used void in a while now
sinful olive
I personally don't rely only on true aim
I fit 15% crit into what I'm using as well
anyway I'll type the shit up
orchid nest
I guess I would have had 10%
so likely missing the crit perk you have
well, 10% extra
sinful olive
I take the 5% crit node, the 5% crit aura, and have 5% crit on the staff for the numbers I'm about to list
orchid nest
I stopped using void for now purely because my buddy I play with most often is a plasma vet and shooting balls at empty air outside of chaff started to get tiresome
sinful olive
I stopped using void for now purely because my buddy I play with most often is a...
completely understandable, if my dedicated group is running another void or a plasma I generally end up bringing the surge.
orchid nest
yeah I love the staff, but we really were just doubling up at that point as you say
at least one of us was wasting their time a majority of the time and it was most often me outside of a horde
queen fog
I like trama force’s stagger potential so I rock that if my homies got decent special clearing
Takes a while to line up good shockwaves tho considering to maximize damage they need to be in the middle of the circle
But there’s windup after u press the button so you’ll need to lead on some enemies
sinful olive
I rolled up a pretty good fire trauma staff the other day nearly by accident
build's p fun honestly
orchid nest
trauma is just one of those staves where you build up an instinctual range sense over time and can eventually accurately flick the circle without even really paying attention to it
plucky flax
Trauma is really bad and need buff. Especially blaze trauma.
untold widget
Takes a while to line up good shockwaves tho considering to maximize damage they...
Not if you master the F L I C K
quasi junco
Trauma is really bad and need buff. Especially blaze trauma.
lol hope this is satire
plucky flax
quasi junco
Dunno why I have a giraffe
azure bridge
so we got a hotfix, did surge staff break?
fathom adder
My understanding is Surge Staff still targets random limbs, now always does Body shot damage, but still targets the armor type of the randomly selected limb
echo turtle
Yeah surge is fine
potent echo
purg needs big buffs, its UNUSABLE
plucky flax
Purg is worst staff currently imo (no meme)
orchid nest
now I'm just imagining it pushes you back instead and people using it as a movement tech to go fast through a level
sacred crane
"Dange. Dangle. Dangle. HELP!!"
-Some poor seer psyker
digital narwhal
Purg is worst staff currently imo (no meme)
Fresh 30 Psykers reading this:
plucky flax
sacred crane
Fresh 30 Psykers reading this:
i can read the uwu and owo on that screen
digital narwhal
i can read the uwu and owo on that screen
I really just caught people in gen chat lackin' with this
sacred crane
Surge is probably my fav staff, its a mini brain burst
idle bay
there are no undocumented changes
I'm pleasnatly surprised and diasspointed at same time. I was expecting them breaking something else by accident.
quasi junco
Surge is most boring to play
Critstrike is fun
But I don’t take with a plasma or bolter vet in group
plucky flax
I have veri low skills so I need auto aim like surge and smite. 
idle bay
I have veri low skills so I need auto aim like surge and smite. <:whatthefuck_he...
Being Lazy is best excuse 🙂
I'm using it all the time!
plucky flax
quasi junco
Smite is great. Maybe I have skill issue but it’s hard to aim surge in a mixed horde.
unborn flicker
Apparently you need Your char to be a certain height
idle bay
Smite is great. Maybe I have skill issue but it’s hard to aim surge in a mixed...
In such cases i just spay&pray with SUrge's LMB until sitaition beacomes more targetable.
quasi junco
Trauma doesn’t have these issues 😛
patent hatch
How similar is smite to surge staff?
They look and feel pretty much the same stagger
And DPS
late yew
And DPS
are you high
Surge is highest single target dps
smite is lowest
and they serve opposite purposes
smite is mass stun
surge is single target damage
woeful patio
FE seems to think Smite needs more damage as that’s what EP grants it
digital narwhal
Surge is single target damage with some CC against your target as a bonus
woeful patio
Rather than reduced peril gen
digital narwhal
Smite is mass CC against many enemies with low damage
digital narwhal
Rather than reduced peril gen
Replace the faster chaining with reduced Peril gen
-30% Peril Generated would be neat instead of +30% Faster Chaining
queen fog
Not if you master the F L I C K
Valid the flick is pretty fun
sacred crane
tried assail...i miss smite now
woeful patio
On the topic of smite, remove LMB
Had to have a very heated conversation with baby sibling on the utility of RMB
burnt mulch
i didnt know smite had a right click for the longest time :3
woeful patio
that’s my issue with it
sacred crane
LMB is just stronger RMB
tawdry pasture
Don’t ever use it
woeful patio
I’ll exclusively use LMB if there’s a single rager or crusher without a horde
waxen abyss
Smite rmb is actually good to use
woeful patio
Otherwise 99% of the time it’s RMB
tawdry pasture
Psyker is gunning with added circuit maintenance
sacred crane
What is the difference between rmb vs lmb smite
tawdry pasture
Don’t you love cooling yourself down
waxen abyss
What is the difference between rmb vs lmb smite
Rmb can stun a large group of specials/elites much faster than holding lmb
burnt mulch
a friend told me that you couldn't blow yourself up with Smite
queen fog
What is the difference between rmb vs lmb smite
“Single target” lmb smite vs crowd rmb smite
waxen abyss
But lmb can keep going until you run out of peril
burnt mulch
i proved him wrong >:)
sacred crane
Lemme try this stuff out
tawdry pasture
Psykers blowing up is all fun and games til everyone does it at the same time
Then it’s really awkward
late yew
-30% Peril Generated would be neat instead of +30% Faster Chaining
That literally what warp battery does
sacred crane
Also I realized that seer calls his assail crystals "little ones"
waxen abyss
It’s basically instant gratification vs. stunlocking.
queen fog
Then it’s really awkward
I cant blow up with smite so jokes on my other siblings 
burnt mulch
I cant blow up with smite so jokes on my other siblings <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452...
i can
waxen abyss
Do you want to stunlock a group of crushers or quickly stun 6 ragers
Lmb for the former rmb for latter
late yew
But lmb can keep going until you run out of peril
... so can rmb
digital narwhal
That literally what warp battery does
So?
echo turtle
“Single target” lmb smite vs crowd rmb smite
There is never a need to single target a stun outside of pushing a pox burster
digital narwhal
So it is stupid to have exactly same talent
EP Smite needs reduced Peril Gen though tbh
waxen abyss
... so can rmb
Yeah but I feel like lmb is a bit more peril efficient
late yew
i want infinite smite back
tawdry pasture
Do you want to stunlock a group of crushers or quickly stun 6 ragers
I want to believe™️
digital narwhal
Plus, Warp Siphon applies to all Peril, not just the Blitz
EP also gives the +125% Damage.
echo turtle
They should make is deal 0 damage to stop people from trying to use it as a weapon
sacred crane
eh i say lmb and rmb smite are useful
digital narwhal
But maybe -50% Peril Gen for EP Smite then
queen fog
There is never a need to single target a stun outside of pushing a pox burster
Stray bombers n such but yea nothin rmb emote couldn’t handle
echo turtle
125% of almost nothing is still almost mothing
digital narwhal
They should make is deal 0 damage to stop people from trying to use it as a weap...
Removing the damage would be a bad move tbh
queen fog
They should make is deal 0 damage to stop people from trying to use it as a weap...
You fool I’d try to make it work via kinetic flayer
woeful patio
They should make is deal 0 damage to stop people from trying to use it as a weap...
I agree
And remove LMB
echo turtle
Removing the damage would be a bad move tbh
Less peril, 0 damage. Better skill
digital narwhal
CC with no damage is bad.
echo turtle
It's already bad
woeful patio
It’s the best CC in the game
digital narwhal
So just reduce Peril Gen
woeful patio
It doesn’t need damage
tawdry pasture
CC with no damage is bad.
It’s to put the bonerus on others
woeful patio
You have 3 people to deal damage
tawdry pasture
That’s why I purg
gloomy magnet
rate my banner, siblings
echo turtle
It’s the best CC in the game
And the worst damage In the game, but people still spam it cuz they think it hurts enemies
gloomy magnet
😭
burnt mulch
rate my banner, siblings
which one is each reject
digital narwhal
rate my banner, siblings
My genuine reaction:
woeful patio
And the worst damage In the game, but people still spam it cuz they think it hur...
Healthbars not being default actively hurts new players tbh
quasi junco
And the worst damage In the game, but people still spam it cuz they think it hur...
People who spam it on 10 walkers = bad
10 ragers = good
echo turtle
I couldn't agree more
gloomy magnet
which one is each reject
no corresponding lol
echo turtle
With the health bar comment
burnt mulch
no corresponding lol
i want to think the veteran is the one in the back (head on hand) the ogryn is the one glaring at their desk, the zealot is the one writing, and the psyker is staring at the veteran like "are you signing my EXECUTION WARRANT"
tawdry pasture
rate my banner, siblings
I think I have one of their skulls on my belt
echo turtle
People who spam it on 10 walkers = bad
10 ragers = good
Naw, kill the ragers
Only use it on ragers to make space to DPD
DPS*
tawdry pasture
Still a nice banner
burnt mulch
if you gave me a couple hours with photoshop i could make that into (shitty) reality 🤔
gloomy magnet
woeful patio
Smite is meant to CC a horde with specials and elites inside, as it allows your teammates to focus them
What Smite isn’t meant for, but capable of, is stunning entire hordes that would otherwise simply be chopped up with no issue
Having a hard time targeting a mauler because he’s wearing horde armor? Stun the entire group and pop his head open
But for the love of god stop stunning basic chaff hordes unless you’re being overrun
AND USE RMB
LMB DOESNT EXIST STOP USING IT
quasi junco
Smite is meant to CC a horde with specials and elites inside, as it allows your ...
I agree with this entire post
sacred crane
i will keep using lmb
woeful patio
Perish
woeful patio
Acceptable
sacred crane
MOUTH BUTTONS
quasi junco
The only time I smite trash is if someone is being revived
woeful patio
Smiting a horde so your team can focus a monster is also based
But please stop smiting hordes simply to be doing something
Just kill them
It’s not rocket science
wise sundial
So... still no fix for psyker's surge staff and smite hitting weakspots?
orchid shadow
Wrong, LMB is a great tool for for suppression and while moving up to new positions quickly while firing.
woeful patio
Nuh uh
wise sundial
I kinda think they should just leave it... it has enabled some builds
woeful patio
LMB and RMB both slow, but RMB spreads faster
quasi junco
Smite is great on all staff builds but trauma imo
woeful patio
The charge is negligible
LMB is nice to have when there’s a single crusher bulwark or rager
late yew
But please stop smiting hordes simply to be doing something
are you stoopid
woeful patio
But too many greenhorns use exclusively LMB
late yew
SMite kills hordes just fine
unique sand
do i swap specialist to maniac
quasi junco
SMite kills hordes just fine
Illisi does too
late yew
duh
late yew
do i swap specialist to maniac
why the fuck it is a hammer
quasi junco
do i swap specialist to maniac
Get crit chance
sinful olive
btw would any of you be interested if I posted some napkin math regarding surge ...
apologies in advance, gonna dump my wall of text about this
unique sand
Get crit chance
specialist to crit?
woeful patio
Crit is very nice imo
As you get a crit bonus with surge
And you FEEL it
It’s glorious
I take Maniac + Crit Chance whenever I can
sinful olive
Why use Flurry + Surge on Voidstrike?
In this target dummy simulation I'm working with, I'm using the following rules:
-
We're ignoring "quell time" for the sake of simplicity, we're only talking about actual uptime here where we're charging/firing. Quelling all the way to zero still gives us enough time to fire off another shot with Warp Flurry, so it's not like we're losing that cast speed buff.
-
We're always hitting the weakspot. (In an alternate case where we're hitting the body or anything other than the weakspot, nexus is more valuable damage wise considering the difference between a bodyshot and a crit is much greater than the difference between a weakspot hit and a weakspot crit.)
-
We are ignoring True aim for the sake of simplicity, but this works out in the favor of Warp Nexus numerically in the simulation. (More on that later)
-
We're using the same tree for each staff which will give us 10% crit chance, and each staff has 5% crit on it. (This could be seen as an advantage for Warp Nexus outside of this test, since it's otherwise feasible to maintain a 30% crit chance without having to use a perk slot for crit while also getting bonus damage to another armor/enemy type.)
-
We're using the damage values for unarmoured, both staffs have 80% damage and 80% charge rate rolls.
-
We're assuming Warp Flurry is constantly at 3 stacks, and Warp Nexus is constantly giving the full crit chance benefit.
So. First we start off by figuring out how to calculate damage over time. I chose an arbitrary length of "uptime" to test the staffs with, which is 100 seconds. Next, we figure out how many fully charged casts we can get off in that period of time. I'm pretty sure a Voidstrike staff with a charge rate roll of 80% takes 1.65 seconds to charge, and with fully stacked tier 4 Warp Flurry it's cut down to about 1.23 seconds. By dividing uptime by cast time, we get the total number of fully charged shots over 100 seconds. With fully stacked Warp Flurry, we get 81 shots per 100 seconds of uptime rounding down. With no Warp Flurry, we get 61 shots per 100 seconds of uptime rounding up.
Next, we throw crit into the mix and figure out damage. The staff I'm using for these numbers deals 1165 damage to an unarmoured target on a weakspot hit, and 1487 damage on a weakspot crit. We also get two hits when we crit. So total damage during uptime is calculated as follows: # hits * (1 - crit chance) * weakspot damage + # hits * crit chance * crit weakspot damage * 2. Crunching all this out puts Warp Nexus + Surge at 109,054 damage and Warp Flurry + Surge at 116,519 damage over 100 seconds of uptime. (I went ahead and calculated Warp Flurry + Warp Nexus this way as well and it came out to 103,381 damage)
So let's talk about how any of this can actually apply to field conditions. Firstly, It's obvious that the Flurry + Surge numbers are highly dependent on an individual player's ability to hit headshots. If you don't think you can do this somewhat consistently, especially under pressure, obviously it would be advantageous to run Warp Nexus instead of Flurry because the damage increase is from crits is much greater on non-weakspot hits. However, if you do feel comfortable with being able to hit weakspots consistently, Surge + Flurry is the superior choice (especially when we factor in True Aim) in my opinion.
True Aim is oviously great for any flavor of Void Staff you may choose to run, but I think it's important to note that the more you trigger True Aim crits, the less valuable crit chance as a stat becomes for your build since these crits are guaranteed. Hell, if circumstances were constantly ideal and you were always shooting down a level hallway at tons of enemies, you could forgo crit chance as a stat altogether. Alas, missions are not like that, and that's why I personally still invest into crit chance outside of Warp Nexus so it's still easy to maintain stacks of Mettle/Perfect timing when I don't have a multitude of heads to pop.
Lastly, I should also mention the inherent advantages of having a lower cast time. With Warp Flurry, your ability to react to threats quickly is increased, the likelihood of an attack interrupting your cast is decreased, and because you spend less time charging you actually build less peril per fully charged shot. Taking surge along with it means you also retain the ability to do wonky shit like oneshotting crushers.
TL,DR: Flurry + Surge is p fuckin good and fun imo.
there
insomnia go brrrrr
woeful patio
Flurry and Nexus is the meta as far as I’m aware
late yew
dude
already we all the starting assumptions...
it makles whole discussion pointless
too many assumptions that are simply not true
And biggest thing
woeful patio
Why is the first point weakspot damage and weakspot crit on surge
late yew
That you can keep Nexus up all the time if you just quell to 70%
woeful patio
Which normally can’t deal weakspot
native plover
They should buff or take another look at brain rupture
late yew
Catter
sinful olive
I'm aware. It was simply for the sake of simplifying the math
late yew
it is about Void staff
late yew
I'm aware. It was simply for the sake of simplifying the math
it simplifies it to the point of being wrong
not wrong
to the point of being IRRELEVANT
because with these assumptions you talk about different weapons basically
So nothing concluded from this math can be applied to actual Void
woeful patio
it is about Void staff
I’m so sorry
woeful patio
They should buff or take another look at brain rupture
I agree but also disagree because I feel like BB could easily become overtuned
woeful patio
If nothing else, make it prioritize specialists and elites and ignore chaff
BB is my favorite ability
+150 hours with it
Admittedly not a lot but I like to think I understand it’s complexities
And where it belongs balance-wise
And after having just leveled a new Psyker for a new voice
Holy shit
New players do NOT understand BB
native plover
The problem is that why should i use it? If it's supposed to be vs carapace then Veteran for instance can already do it but better with krak nades. Krak nades are just BB's but actually kills what you use it on
unlike BB
woeful patio
BB has more range than Krak Nades
And stuns briefly
🤷♂️
Not limited by grenade amount either
But I do find myself racing against Krak Nades with BB, it’s an apt comparison
It happens ALOT
native plover
If it's dead it's irrelevant and nades aren't a problem for veteran anyway if you spec into regen nades and getting them from ammo
woeful patio
I exclusively play Psyker and I’m not familiar with Veteran Tree so I can’t comment
I just hear the Krak Beep and stop casting BB because I know it’ll be dead
Immediately swap targets if applicable
tawdry pasture
I fee like BB is more useful on average than assail now
in terms of pure damage bb is the winner but obviously it needs a pal
late yew
If nothing else, make it prioritize specialists and elites and ignore chaff
It does already i am pretty sure
tawdry pasture
Or an aggressive weapon switch
late yew
New players do NOT understand BB
how so?
tawdry pasture
Which Psyker wants to do that
sinful olive
to the point of being IRRELEVANT
True enough. I do go into how this would apply in actual missions, and why I think the way I do about flurry + surge. I think doing an actual raw damage output test would require much more complexity/effort, more than I'm willing to put in. I just know that both meta versions of the staff straight up feel worse than running those two blessings together. Main reason I qualify it all with "imo".
woeful patio
It does already i am pretty sure
Doesn’t unfortunately, if a chaff is standing in front of a specialist or elite( like in a horde) it’ll target the chaff
late yew
The problem is that why should i use it? If it's supposed to be vs carapace then...
BB can chian kill infinite amount of ragers and shotgunners/gunners like nothing else can
i would say BB only good on auric
ornate hamlet
Really?
late yew
below auric simply not enough elite density
woeful patio
Thankfully most specials and elites are taller, but some animations make them hunch over so it’s difficult to target them
late yew
look at the amount of elites killed
woeful patio
Also the amount of props you can see through but can’t BB through is annoying!!!
I run BB on Auric Damnation
It’s good
ornate hamlet
brain burst is cool, but i love the Assail Shards
woeful patio
brain burst is cool, but i love the Assail Shards
You are TAINTED
ornate hamlet
lol
late yew
Doesn’t unfortunately, if a chaff is standing in front of a specialist or elite(...
Only if you directly click on them, it is pretty easy overall to weave cursor along chaff to target elites/speciasl
native plover
BB can chian kill infinite amount of ragers and shotgunners/gunners like nothing...
But those die pretty easily anyway assuming the team is paying attention. My point is i think BB should do more damage, i don't think it's worth using presently
tawdry pasture
It rewards engaging from far away with advantage and hunkered but dedicated bb is slightly traumatic
ornate hamlet
You are TAINTED
it's similar to an ability of a character of mine that predates my knowledge of 40k so
woeful patio
Only if you directly click on them, it is pretty easy overall to weave cursor al...
RMB or LMB?
late yew
RMB or LMB?
... wtf is that question
native plover
Not when we got other options that work more effectively
late yew
why would RMB in mixed horde situation
late yew
SHAME
actually
If you have troubles clicking in mixed hordes. rmb might be the way
keep charging it and jumping until you are certain you stick it to chosen target
woeful patio
All I’m saying is that I’ve had too many situations where I’m actively trying to target a big boy and BB says it would rather target a chaff, and I think that’s cringe and heretical
late yew
Well i did not
woeful patio
I cannot think of a single situation where you would WANT to use BB on a chaff
late yew
And when that does happen
late yew
it takes 0.25 of a second to change to the right target
late yew
I cannot think of a single situation where you would WANT to use BB on a chaff
before talents rework i did that all the time against shooters
woeful patio
Same
But I’m also permanently attached to a staff for suppression
So I don’t do it as much anymore
And 90% of the time I run BB I use EP and I can’t waste those stacks
tawdry pasture
I tested it on a Daemonhost today in public IV and got about 15 seconds of spinning
easily enough for a team to do it
willow hazel
It would be nice if flayer only procced on elites/specialists
woeful patio
Yeah
I forgo it because I waste it on chaff
Plus if you leave it, you can get Kinetic Deflection
Which is 👌
woeful patio
Oh for sure
woeful patio
What Blitz?
late yew
.........
woeful patio
BB Vent EP can’t reach Kinetic Deflection if you take flayer
late yew
I am not your baby, darling
late yew
There is blitz, aura and ult
woeful patio
Ult
late yew
mostly shield
quasi junco
Flurry and Nexus is the meta as far as I’m aware
For void? I prefer nexus and surge
late yew
Both modifiers?
of coruse
woeful patio
I agree, Shield is clutch
native plover
But i prefer shield overall
Just so useful
woeful patio
Sisters of Battle become moist in the nethers when there’s a Smite Bubble Psyker in the vicinity
Truly the heroes Atoma deserves
quasi junco
But i prefer shield overall
Hopefully the straight chad shield, not the noob bubble
woeful patio
I’m also addicted to the 30% faster Quell
No Flayer for me
Might reconsider if it’s changed though
late yew
Hopefully the straight chad shield, not the noob bubble
stfu
woeful patio
Bubble fucks dude
late yew
rectangular shield is bad
woeful patio
Toughness Regen is baller
And it absolutely destroys beasts of nurgle
Can’t vomit while inside it
So can’t eat players
late yew
Yes
woeful patio
(They need to be covered in vomit to be swallowed for those unaware)
woeful patio
Bubble is definitely S+ tier
glossy ember
ye bubble op
quasi junco
rectangular shield is bad
It is not. You get two and they block pounces and muties
plucky flax
What would you rank creeping flames shriek?
woeful patio
Solid A
woeful patio
I’m a Creeper Flames Shriek enjoyer myself
late yew
Same
glossy ember
I rank it d tier.
deez nuts
glossy ember
plucky flax
So tru mame
woeful patio
True shield is better
plucky flax
Only noobs use creeping flames pls uninstall.
outer stone
I like it but I also prefer shield
woeful patio
I’ve clutched revives with it though
plucky flax
(I only use creeping flame)
glossy ember
scrier op
woeful patio
Scrier LAME
plucky flax
Gazer
woeful patio
STINKY ASSAIL USER
quasi junco
I laugh at psykers using bubble on the waves of muties maelstrom.
Chad shield blocks them all
glossy ember
imagine using assail
amber nest
Which of these staves would you use and which would you rip the blessing from (to put on the other)?
plucky flax
imagine using assail
Only really bad paykers use it.
woeful patio
Assail has done irreparable damage to the community
outer stone
But assail is fun
glossy ember
Which of these staves would you use and which would you rip the blessing from (t...
being stuck with 25% infested not great when u got the other staff tbh
late yew
I laugh at psykers using bubble on the waves of muties maelstrom.
Chad shiel...
Pff, i one shot them all with deimos
Don't need stinky verison of shield for that
amber nest
being stuck with 25% infested not great when u got the other staff tbh
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I just got the left one
outer stone
If assail is stinky, then I’m a huge stinker and I’m ok with that
glossy ember
i'd grab nexus off the right one and put it over run n gun on the left one
amber nest
Yeah, and then add crit perk, right?
echo turtle
<@143038730880548864> surge staff not fixed.
It doesn't deal half damage to limbs now tho
glossy ember
its ok u can still do ten gazillion barillion gorillion damage with a meme surge staff build
patent hatch
surge is single target damage
Used to be stun lmao haven’t played since beta
woeful patio
more than playable
The minor inconsistency tears at my soul
echo turtle
Surge is great
plucky flax
It doesn't deal half damage to limbs now tho
Yeah but it does less damage on multi armour enemies.
When it hits arms.
echo turtle
Yeah but it does less damage on multi armour enemies.
Only if you have flak, and it hits the unarmored part
glossy ember
if i can hit 700k with scrier surge you can hit 1.5m with creeping flames surge, trust
woeful patio
I used to be able to 1 shot Dreg gunners
Now they’re left with a bit of health
At least trappers still get mulched
That’s good
amber nest
Just not sure if I want to keep unyielding or the 10% elites damage
woeful patio
Elites
glossy ember
Yeah but it does less damage on multi armour enemies.
embrace the flak unarmoured meta....
plucky flax
Only if you have flak, and it hits the unarmored part
Yeah and all of this is because of 'cosmetic change'. It used to always hit body
echo turtle
if i can hit 700k with scrier surge you can hit 1.5m with creeping flames surge,...
Depends on game length, I haven't hit a million yet and I play pretty efficiently
amber nest
Cheers
echo turtle
Yeah and all of this is because of 'cosmetic change'. It used to always hit body
It was better before no question
But it still slaps hard
quasi junco
Yeah and all of this is because of 'cosmetic change'. It used to always hit body
lol FS letting the receptionist code their games
glossy ember
Depends on game length, I haven't hit a million yet and I play pretty efficientl...
yeah but scoreboards dont matter so it's okay even if you don't hit 2 gorillion damage
woeful patio
I still use Surge because I’m nothing if not stubborn but please fix my child
He is sick
plucky flax
I've never gotten more than 100k damage I'm not that good and only play in sedition.
woeful patio
Only 100k damage?
echo turtle
Damage matters, but I have played games with people that were pretty weak on damage but they had excellent team play and game sense and it felt good
glossy ember
I've never gotten more than 100k damage I'm not that good and only play in sedit...
gotta embrace the scrier surge staff meta
woeful patio
Bro make the jump to Damnation
glossy ember
gaze it
woeful patio
It’s not hard
glossy ember
plucky flax
Sorry I prefer to chill and game.
echo turtle
I've never gotten more than 100k damage I'm not that good and only play in sedit...
It's true, selfish in war only spams smite to give the team CC
plucky flax
echo turtle
They play sedition to help noobs level
amber nest
Heresy pubs are the true difficulty now
echo turtle
Legend has it they are actually John Warhammer, and they roll into sedition to hold all the enemies in place for noobs while gathering all the plasteel
amber nest
I just got out of a match where we triggered a DH, had a zealot die (as in DIE) 4 times and we still made it
echo turtle
I've heard if selfish in war joins your sedition game, you always get a transcendent god roll from big E
True facts
echo turtle
Happened to a friend of a friend
glossy ember
hacker
hearty oak
I've never gotten more than 100k damage I'm not that good and only play in sedit...
Barrels are the worst enemies in sedition
Insta kill you
quasi junco
I’ve found Auric damn can be easier than standard due to the quality of player that queues for them
echo turtle
I was messing around with a deimos last night, and it's shameful I only found out recently they buffed the force push distance
Deimos force push into the heavy lunge is outrageously good at dealing with crushers and ragers
quasi junco
Illisi still makes sense on all staves but purg tho
echo turtle
It's a fine weapon, but it's not as if deimos can't slay horde just fine
unborn flicker
It's a fine weapon, but it's not as if deimos can't slay horde just fine
I’d like to see a comparison
echo turtle
Illisi H1 into L1 horizontal chain is excellent, no argument there
But it is hard to discount being able to dominate rager and crusher packs
unborn flicker
But how do you kill them when you get stuck in the suck
woeful patio
I’ve found Auric damn can be easier than standard due to the quality of player t...
This though
echo turtle
I’d like to see a comparison
The light chains are almost the same, except diemos gets a high damage stab too. With slaughterer you are killing 1-2 per swing, same as illisi
woeful patio
Leveling my new Psyker, I firmly believe the hardest difficulty in the game is Heresy
echo turtle
But how do you kill them when you get stuck in the suck
Block, swing swing, block
Same as always. When you are pushed in like that, you cant be charging heavies
echo turtle
Block push dodge, same old same old, it's not mechanically different thete
echo turtle
I think dueling sword may be higher now
woeful patio
Hmmmm
echo turtle
You can go directly into H2 from a block push
woeful patio
I just L1
echo turtle
Try block pushing a crusher into H2
echo turtle
You can juggle crusher and rager packs as the H2 floors both on a weakspot
woeful patio
The heavy stab btw not the light
echo turtle
Yes
woeful patio
Oooooo
echo turtle
Block, push, H2
woeful patio
I need to try that then
woeful patio
I’m so used to L1 H2 that any change will be good
woeful patio
Same tempo for Illisi
digital narwhal
plucky flax
Lul me latest meme clutch got 1k views.
quasi junco
lol why would I want to melee a rager. (Blitzes and ranged weapons) go brrrrrr
echo turtle
lol why would I want to melee a rager. (Blitzes and ranged weapons) go brrrrrr
Sometimes you got no choice, it's an important skill to have up your sleeve
If you can solo rager and crusher packs, you will survive more
unborn flicker
Sometimes you got no choice, it's an important skill to have up your sleeve
Could you post video showing how
woeful patio
Ragers scare me so I avoid them on principle
BrainBlast from a distance
They smell
Like assail users
echo turtle
Could you post video showing how
I suppose I could, fine if I just quickly stream it on twitch?
unborn flicker
I suppose I could, fine if I just quickly stream it on twitch?
Uhhh I’m at work
I was just hoping for a 10 second clip
echo turtle
K why don't I link you my twitch account and you can check the clip there at your leisure
unborn flicker
❤️
echo turtle
I'll do a small clip
unborn flicker
Thank you for Your service
echo turtle
Rhinoxerous - Twitch https://m.twitch.tv/rhinoxerous
unborn flicker
Let’s take a look
echo turtle
One sec about to record it
unborn flicker
No rush
woeful patio
You can push crushers?
woeful patio
Deimos is incredible
unborn flicker
Made it look easy
woeful patio
It’s my go to for crushers
Each damage tick from the warp imbue adds a stack of uncanny strike
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woeful patio
So if you hit it on the head you can almost OHK
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woeful patio
I am a Psyker I will use the warp weapons
That’s not meta that’s skill
A rare commodity
unborn flicker
k its up
Now… how’s it against hoards 💀
Because hoards just surround me
And it’s death by a thousand cuts
glossy ember
(hordes)
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echo turtle
Hordes are ez pz
Block to stun them, light light light repeat
unborn flicker
I’m brain dead
echo turtle
You can also block and dodge to slip through like a fishy
woeful patio
I’m still trying to get over not having infinite dodges
unborn flicker
Not hoards
woeful patio
My muscle memory lingers
unborn flicker
Unless you consider them hoards of xp
echo turtle
You use it exactly as you would an illisi, just light spam
woeful patio
XP is mission based
echo turtle
With slaughterer it reks hoards
amber nest
Wait, people light spam the Illisi?
woeful patio
It works
echo turtle
Often
unborn flicker
Wait, people light spam the Illisi?
Yes
amber nest
I do Heavy -> Light for awesome horizontals
echo turtle
Though H1L1 is the way to horde clear
unborn flicker
We need power cycler
echo turtle
Not even, H1L1 turns it into a Dclaw style chain
woeful patio
L1 H2 is just horizontal sweeps
echo turtle
So is H1L1
glossy ember
but empowered h1 feels very satisfying so
echo turtle
or wouldn't be L3
Whatever it is
Heavy, light repeat
It's horizontal and great
But if you are surrounded and can't wind the heavy it's light spam, or if it's just a few guys in reach
Diemos light spam is one shots with damage spill over, so it kills horde pretty quickly
Not as fast, but it gets the job done
inland ginkgo
i'm suffering rn
woeful patio
I don’t know what it is about the Illisi but it just feels better than Deimos for me, even if it doesn’t have the fatass stab damage
Maybe because it’s got the crit = weakspot going for it
Poor Obscuris left in the dust
unique sand
fire staff i should change terrifying to warp nexus right?
woeful patio
It walked so the other two could run
Yes
Also what the hell is that staff
Jamie can we get a zoom in
unique sand
shovel
woeful patio
Enhance
echo turtle
Just dodge and light spam into horde and you are ok
amber nest
The damage is nice
echo turtle
If you aren't dodging, you're dying
echo turtle
It's better now
amber nest
Yes, but it's nice
amber nest
It is
quasi junco
I thought purg was best on crit builds?
amber nest
It has nice damage
woeful patio
T4 Perks and Ble-
unique sand
unique sand
krieg psyker needs a force shovel staff that shoots fire
woeful patio
I agree
spice veldt
I cri every time I see the main way people using the illisi being normal attacks
unique sand
I cri every time I see the main way people using the illisi being normal attacks
no idea how to use it
unique sand
special and light or special and heavy
echo turtle
There are a lot of times there isn't opportunity to charge the special and charge a heavy swinf
spice veldt
I need to make a new test to get numbers to once again convince people to use the special
I mean just dodge
you don't have infinite dodges anymore but it's dodges
woeful patio
Sometimes I don’t have time to charge the special sweetie
spice veldt
dodge sideways and you won't have any problem while they're efficient
woeful patio
I must kill
spice veldt
the special activation isn't that slow
quasi junco
just spam the special
Special attack has an animation
woeful patio
It’s not slow, and it’s the only sword that doesn’t slow youre movement while doing it
unique sand
is this a decent illisi
echo turtle
Depending on the density, uncharged heavy light will drop stuff faster than taking the time to charge
spice veldt
if you're dodging backwards, try not to do that against hordes of trash mobs
just dodge sideways if possible
woeful patio
is this a decent illisi
I’d argue Deflector + Uncanny would be better
I don’t like slaughterer myself
spice veldt
spam that, and spam specials