psyker-class

[bleak tulip]

its extremely top heavy, also get true aim (botom right)

[calm violet]

With Scrier I am constantly generating peril while fighting.

[plucky flax]

Knife has big dodge so it's far from least defensive melee weapon.

[calm violet]

Yeah, but what to drop for true aim?

[untold widget]

for evasion yeah

but the block angle is narrow

[echo turtle]

Unless you roll with a deflector sword and stack block efficiency and stam, KD is an autotake

[bleak tulip]

one superfluous toughness node at the top, warp expenditure and probably pychic leech in the keystone

warp exp is like 25% toughness for 100% peril

its very mid especially since you have literally every toughness talent

[untold widget]

how often are you assailing is what I want to know

since that's the only way you're gonna get any use out of Soulstealer

as a gunker

[strong gulch]

If you don't want to build peril KD is a skip, BUT it's a great defensive option if you find your block getting broken a lot.

[bleak tulip]

cant really skip KD considering its required for the best gunker talent in the entire tree

[untold widget]

I run pubs mostly, so I run block efficiency and ally revive speed on my curios, I can revive someone during literal armageddon if needed

[strong gulch]

For sure. Almost all gun builds def prefer DD.

[fluid knot]

At least when DD isnt misbehaving and refusing to highlight targets

[bleak tulip]

I meant true aim

[strong gulch]

I like KD and use it a lot, but I do wish it was in a different spot. Something more opt in.

[digital narwhal]

'Boutta post this

to ruffle even more jimmies

[bleak tulip]

I havent vibe checked vet chat in a while, are they giga mad that psyker gets a better gun build than they do too

[half iron]

one time i played zealot i had a pub vet complain about class update vet. ran into them in another game straight after and let a dh kill them

[quasi junco]

Or mad the upcoming vanguard pack gives sniper hood to zealot.

[bleak tulip]

mfers really be like "this would be perfect for snipers" as if we had snipers in the game

[willow hazel]

It mostly depends on the ammo situation.

[thorn cedar]

Assail is goofy. You're getting Toughness from casting it, quelling the peril, from its crits, and from its kills.

God Assail, you are just ridiculous.

[calm violet]

This makes sense

Sorry, I got some toddler aggro, and had to step away. Lol

[quasi junco]

It’s mid on auric damn tho. I only see smite and bb

[bleak tulip]

understandable lmao

eh if you dont overuse it it has its uses

depending on staff

no idea why you'd use it on gunker but i also dont play gunker

[quasi junco]

Lul my 2yo smashed his toy on my kb the other day during an auric damn mission

[thorn cedar]

saves ammo. stacks with everything gunker is already doing. fetches DD stacks ezpz

[calm violet]

I'd say 50/50. Mostly gun on trash, then frequent swapping.in actual fights.

[calm violet]

It gives a consistent range option to save ammo. It is also amazing for charging up scrier.

[spice veldt]

I like assail for toughness regen

and for a brain off option

[feral verge]

your brain is always off

[bleak tulip]

thats how I used it while I did

[quasi junco]

Wish they would have separate models for trauma vs void

[calm violet]

Throw 2 to 3 shards, quell for a secon, then repeat. Once you are out of shards, or at critical peril you swap to gun.

[quasi junco]

Lazy that they don’t

[spice veldt]

you will be shut off

[bleak tulip]

I played witha person changing their trauma to the void color the other day

absolute psycho mode

[quasi junco]

I thought those mods were client side only?

[bleak tulip]

no the weapon skins are universal

[calm violet]

Wait, what? You see other custom weapon skin mods?

[bleak tulip]

no I mean the ones you can buy with dockets

I dont use the weapon mod... mod

[plucky flax]

85% assail 10% gun 5% melee

[calm violet]

How does that change look?

[bleak tulip]

dont get rid of perfect timing imo

[plucky flax]

No perfect timing

[bleak tulip]

this sucks dont use this

[plucky flax]

If you use gaze don't take cdr aura.

[quasi junco]

Probably took it to get those 2 nodes underneath

[short lodge]

What sucks about Psychic Leeching?

[bleak tulip]

how much toughness regen do you need

[calm violet]

I did

[bleak tulip]

you already get toughness from soulstealer, mettle and quietude

[calm violet]

I would prefer crit. But that toughness dr is good.

... I'm greedy. xD

[harsh urchin]

if you're not taking DD

i would just make it an assail build

rather than a gunker

lol

[calm violet]

I like my gun!

[bleak tulip]

thats the low key real answer

[harsh urchin]

then take DD

[short lodge]

I figure being able to dump 45% toughness on teammates isn't bad

[bleak tulip]

but I didnt wanna be my usual "your entire build sucks" self

[harsh urchin]

i'll be the person who comes in here and tells ppl that

LOL

giga bully

[bleak tulip]

[calm violet]

Lol

[bleak tulip]

but yeah if youre gunker you dont wanna just use the thing that only buffs blitzes

[calm violet]

I take criticism well. I'm not easily bothered. ^_^

[bleak tulip]

DD also buffs your assail after all

[harsh urchin]

tldr, DD buffs both gun + assail

EP only buffs assail

[bleak tulip]

this is why I generally dont respect EP at all but thats maybe just me

[plucky flax]

I take all top nodes. 🙂

[bleak tulip]

ah its that time of the day

[plucky flax]

[harsh urchin]

hands up

on ur knees

open ur mouth

[bleak tulip]

[plucky flax]

Sry I go back to crying about how bad my blaze trauma is.

[bleak tulip]

buff trauma pls

FS pls

no really tho make it better than gunker because that would support my anti gunker crusade

[plucky flax]

I hate how netflix and amazon prime now release their shows week by week.

Like bish I subscribe to binge watch the whole series at once.

Not wait like a regular tv watcher

[glacial socket]

hey siblings! Ive been wanting to make a good trauma staff, what should I look for?

[bleak tulip]

they finally figured out how to counter my "buy a month of netflix to watch the one show I want and cancel" strat

[harsh urchin]

there's 2 versions; the casual blaster or the sweaty fire trauma build

the latter does more dmg but will give you carpal tunnel

which one do u want

[glacial socket]

ngl im kinda a psyker otp, what is the sweaty one?

[bleak tulip]

the latter

[harsh urchin]

search fire trauma in this channel

for the build

[bleak tulip]

dont be a limp wrist

[glacial socket]

gotcha

[bleak tulip]

RSI gives you power

[quasi junco]

Nexus/blazing on your staff, with crit chance and flak for perks

[glacial socket]

how do you search in this channel?

[quasi junco]

Mettle perk is mandatory

Talent *

[glacial socket]

so the build has a big crit focus?

[quasi junco]

Yes for blazing

[calm violet]

I have gone back and forth. I don't like how all DD stacks fall off at once. Can make it a pain to maintain. It also sucks if someone else murders your mark.

Maybe I should try it again

[quasi junco]

Mettle is great as critting on AE will heal you up in one blast

[bleak tulip]

you just have to accept that you will not be able to maintain the stacks every time

[glacial socket]

will a 376 base trauma be fine for the build?

[bleak tulip]

just focus on weakspot kills like melee stabbing and you get 15 before you know it

[harsh urchin]

just dont think too hard about the stacks and play it lol

[bleak tulip]

especially since I think DD mark bias is in view and proximity

[calm violet]

Being able to focus less on defense, due to being harder to kill, turns into destructive power. Imo

[harsh urchin]

check the psyker atheneum in the pins for how to build it and which stats are needed

it's kinda specific

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

so stabbing like 5 roamers gets you to 15

[glacial socket]

is that the community build page?

[harsh urchin]

ya

[glacial socket]

gotcha

[harsh urchin]

pygex is a giga psyker simp but he does know what he's talking about

[calm violet]

Oh, I was think ws kills gave 2. They give 2 extra... that's different.

[echo turtle]

@plucky flax your illisi damage is pretty solid, what are you running on it?

[bleak tulip]

sedition

[calm violet]

I have been a main tank in most games for faarrr too long. xD

[half iron]

with the low intensity😳😳

[plucky flax]

This

[plucky flax]

Double this

[bleak tulip]

best sedition player worldwide

[calm violet]

I have been using deimos. How is illisi?

[quasi junco]

I challenge the fire trauma build on the Atheneum. Why EP over kinetic resonance and warp charges?

[echo turtle]

Gotcha

[bleak tulip]

illisi is kind of like the power sword

but uncharged it doesnt suck shit

.. as much

[plucky flax]

It has big cleave.

You can just spam light against horde tbh.

[calm violet]

Pros/cons over deimos?

[plucky flax]

But specials will speed it up + give you peril for more damage.

[echo turtle]

Con less dodge

[bleak tulip]

cant one shot muties

[echo turtle]

Pro good special

[calm violet]

Is it better against specials?

[plucky flax]

You can 1 shot with slaughterer stacks.

Just get lucky.

[bleak tulip]

okay sure

[calm violet]

I do like the dodge of my deimos though...

[bleak tulip]

just have all the stacks and +maniac

[echo turtle]

I am fishing for bloodthirsty for an illisi

I'm just using a diemos with stam/block efficiency

But, I want to try illisi some more

[glacial socket]

this is what hadron gave me after upgrades, how should i mod it

[quasi junco]

Why does the obscures get no love?

[calm violet]

Oh, the heavy attack on illisi looks siiiick

[echo turtle]

Because it was the worst of everything

[harsh urchin]

crit -> crit chance, transfer peril -> blazing spirit

[bleak tulip]

transfer peril for blaze and crit damage to crit chance prob, or flak

[glacial socket]

thank you

[quasi junco]

lol

[echo turtle]

Deimos does everything the obscurus does, but better

[rotund dagger]

Illisi better

[quasi junco]

Yea I like the Illisi for trash clear

[echo turtle]

Illisi is solid too

[calm violet]

Which is better at flak/carapace kills?

[glacial socket]

I also made this one awhile back, could it work or is blazing required

[rotund dagger]

Switch crit to flak/maniac

[vast yew]

swap Nexus to Warp Flurry

[echo turtle]

Probs illisi, deimos activation is suicide much of the time

[plucky flax]

Illisi no warp charge no slaughterer stack no peril. You can kill muties very fast.

[echo frigate]

Depends on how you use it

[vast yew]

If you activate Deimos against anything other than a Boss you are doing it wrong

[strong gulch]

SAME

[vast yew]

Heavy2 is stupidly strong

[echo frigate]

Anything unyielding

[untold widget]

I do it on my first hit on crushers to get 4 stacks of uncanny but after that its just l1 H2 chains for ogryns

[rotund dagger]

"No peril"
looks inside
"37% Peril"

[echo frigate]

Or that's solo

[calm violet]

Oh, so the illisi has a faster Special animation?

[plucky flax]

No peril when starting

[vast yew]

The Illisi has a Power Sword style Special

doesn't animation-lock you

[untold widget]

it doesn't lock you into an animation when you hit

[echo frigate]

It does not stick but does way less damage

[strong gulch]

YOu don't get animation locked too on illisi.

[vast yew]

and fighting a single Crusher (or any Elite) is an acceptable time to Deimos Special and giggle

[untold widget]

just means I don't have to spend time stacking up uncanny

just right into 2 shotting crushers

[vast yew]

yeah I'm just too scared to animation-lock myself on Damnation pretty much ever

except bosses, because boss

[bleak tulip]

its a blessed week

[strong gulch]

You can do 3 illisi activations to kill a mutant after it stopped, but deimos takes long enough to get grabbed.

[untold widget]

yay no grims

[echo frigate]

3 games or less let's go

[half iron]

now that is epic (like the game launcher)

[bleak tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/money-abba-gif-10928936

[strong gulch]

stacked

[untold widget]

deimos 1 shots muties on H2

[vast yew]

Deimos can one-tap it in the head with Heavy 2

no special required

[untold widget]

its quite funny too

[strong gulch]

True.

But we are talking about the special.

[untold widget]

don't use it for muties

simple as

[strong gulch]

yip

[plucky flax]

If you can hit head it's 2. (I can't)

[strong gulch]

The heavy 2 is why you take deimos.

[strong gulch]

I am too sloppy to hit things in the head.

[untold widget]

L1 H2 is a beast combo that's super easy to chain for ogryn packs

[vast yew]

L1 H2 is a beast combo that's super easy to chain for ogryn packs everything

[plucky flax]

That's why I like auto aim weapons like assail, smite, and surge.

Aiming too hard.

[half iron]

i like hitting things in the head because i like fishing for more voice lines

[untold widget]

even just L1 fucks so hard for deimos

[vast yew]

yeah the cleave isn't the greatest but it's fast

[untold widget]

for when those trappers just pop around the corner

[strong gulch]

💯

Then I started liking revolver for some reason. Brains make no sense.

[untold widget]

just quick stab to head and its done

[plucky flax]

I think it has some sort of bullet magnet to stick to elites/specials. You can hit shots so easy with revolver.

[vast yew]

The Revolver does indeed have a bigger headshot hitbox

it's quite generous

[half iron]

i love the revolver. the head disappears if you shoot someone there. it’s like i have magic powers or something

[orchid shadow]

I find it's almost hard to even miss a headshot if you do a charged special heavy horizontal swipe on the mutie drive by. And this is coming from someone who has absolutely terrible aim.

[vast yew]

"Beloved, this sibling's Brain Burst seems a bit... off"

[plucky flax]

Illisi my beloved. I suck so bad with deimos for some reason even though I'm like super good on mk4 duelling.

[vast yew]

Deimos is not great vs. Hordes, which is why I usually pair it with the Trauma or Purgatus

(it's not bad, but you can get a bit overwhelmed easier)

[plucky flax]

I play illisi with trauma.

[vast yew]

Illisi just cleaves hordes like butter while Dueling is super fast and mobile

[half iron]

duelling sword is cute

[plucky flax]

Yeah I have 2 identical loadouts just with melee weapon swap between illisi and mk4 sword.

[vast yew]

I mean to be fair, on a Trauma build the Trauma staff is your melee weapon most of the time
I just take a Duelilng sword to run faster.

[plucky flax]

Bless the more loadout mod.

[calm violet]

The whaaaaat?

[plucky flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

Here u go frens.

Enjoy more than 5 loadouts.

[calm violet]

Nice!

[strong gulch]

@plucky flax OH RIGHT. I was heckin meme-ing last night. Hadron fecked up a surge staff, so I committed to LMB only (plus creeping flames 😂 ). Did a T4 and was doing top damage with little surge balls until we all got punked off a bridge. 🙃

Wait that was not the upgrade

[vast yew]

bout to say that Surge looked fixable if you swapped the blessings lol

[plucky flax]

Only real top 1% psyker can have this many builds.

[strong gulch]

Here it is.

Do not do this. Is meme

[half iron]

do this

[plucky flax]

If you go full meme I'd go trauma or void and put warp nexus + blazing spirits.
Or run and gun + blazing spirits.

[vast yew]

do it with a Purgatus

just full drive-by stagger+burn

[strong gulch]

I still have the build, Maybe I should take it into T5.

[strong gulch]

Fire illisi with exorcist and scrier's gaze.

[vast yew]

Warp Nexus + Blazing Spirits Trauma means no Run & Gun

Makes for a very effective "meme" build though

[plucky flax]

But you can meme like this.

[strong gulch]

If only surge has blazing spirit. 😭

[vast yew]

Blazing Surge would be disgusting against big bois

[plucky flax]

Damn I'm downloading a movie on amazon prime and for some reason the upload speed is also gimped.

[strong gulch]

Give us nodes that apply soulblaze on crits like zealots and bleeds.

[vast yew]

I mean that's, what, 7.5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 20 + 21 = 63.5% crit chance?

[fluid knot]

Nah, its got a gargantuan projectile hitbox

No magnetisim, just a giant boolet

[vast yew]

yeah and it prioritizes weakspot hurtboxes so if you're in the general area kapow

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-world-banzai-bill-duck-gif-24358835

[silk hawk]

i just find its crosshair ez use, thats why.

[vast yew]

wait 1 minute I've seen your Youtube channel

[fluid knot]

Thats bullying

[plucky flax]

I can't even hit his head.

He too scared.

[fluid knot]

[strong gulch]

"Stop hitting me."

NO

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

good content there

[plucky flax]

If you enjoy spicy space wizard memes.

[vast yew]

I was looking up Blazing Spirit Trauma videos

trying to get a feel for how to play it after finally rolling one

[ripe yacht]

Goddamn this is an awful Melk roll.

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah my most popular video is melee maelstrom meme with blaze trauma.

Boom boom everything die.

[vast yew]

Damage roll is a little low but uhhh it still melts everything: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/263471844290461698/1178220192829034557/image.png?ex=65755a10&is=6562e510&hm=e04c4aeafe912787eaecefbea08faafd5ab2a51c3e86ff1b75fdca57d5fc50f0&

[plucky flax]

Damage is ouch but 80% charge rate and blast radius.

[vast yew]

Yeah and from what I could tell the Damage is kind of the dump stat anyways because Soulblaze stacks don't care about it

[plucky flax]

I am blessed with probably the bestest blaze trauma so it was meant to be.

[vast yew]

so it's missing 14% damage, which is like... 36 on an Epicenter hit?

meh

[plucky flax]

Hrm not quite because your full charge blast does a lot of damage.

At 80% damage it does 660.

Remember we have so many stuff to boost damage. Perfect timing, warp charges, warp rider.

That difference becomes much higher than just the flate value between low and high damage roll.

[vast yew]

Yeah base damage gets multiplied a lot

[strong gulch]

Trauma scaling is bonkers iirc. The disparity in lower vs higher stats.

[vast yew]

Oh yeah the Charge Rate and Blast Radius stats make such a crazy difference

[plucky flax]

I'd pay $10 for a red trauma with 100% all modifiers.

[strong gulch]

I prefer high damge on fire trauma, but lower damage isn't a complete loss.

[spice veldt]

psykers will rule the world once we get access to 100% quell speed

[vast yew]

If I ever find a Trauma with 80 damage/80 blast/80 charge I'll see if I can upgrade it

[spice veldt]

it is one of the stat modifiers that has a nonlinear scaling

[plucky flax]

It's dangerous. Take mine.

[vast yew]

4% crit chance
Damn, ruined, better sell it for Ordos

[vestal fulcrum]

But wouldn’t quick 2-tick quelling become awkward with that high a quell speed?

[plucky flax]

With that high speed you'd probably only need 1 tick to quell.

[vestal fulcrum]

Or, would it just require a different timing?

[plucky flax]

Also with high warp resist 1 tick from 100% should let you do full charge blast.

[vast yew]

can confirm only takes 1 tick with 80 Quell Speed + 30% talent

[spice veldt]

the interval between each quell tick is the same

quell speed only affects the amount of peril quelled per tick

[vast yew]

but not quite from 100%

[plucky flax]

So you blast, quell for 1 tick, full charge blat again.

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah, I see

[vast yew]

at 100% I always do 2 to be safe

[plucky flax]

And the charge rate at 100% is what? 1.05s?

[spice veldt]

1 second

[vast yew]

I think it's 1 flat

[spice veldt]

the perfect 1

[plucky flax]

Bruh that's so broken.

[spice veldt]

we must have it

[plucky flax]

Warp flurry who?

[vast yew]

the blast radius also goes from 8.4 to 10

[plucky flax]

10

[spice veldt]

trauma staff is actually eating so good with 100% stats

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[vast yew]

which means the total area goes from 70.56 meters to 100 meters

100% Blast Radius would be a 41% increase over 80%

The staff would ascend to godhood

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-looking-gif-7810625

[spice veldt]

we shall become gods

[vast yew]

5th Chaos God

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-intrigued-gif-27408103

Wait what is this scaling? At 80% I think mine is like 1.25s.

But at 100% is 1s?

[spice veldt]

1.3s at 80%

it's from 2.5 to 1

[vast yew]

it goes from 2.5 seconds to 1

[plucky flax]

Oh wow a low charge rate sucks massive D then.

[spice veldt]

linearly

yeah peepee poopoo

[vast yew]

Oh yeah base-line Trauma is terrible

[plucky flax]

Bruh no wonder people give up on trauma when levelling.

[vast yew]

roll a new Psyker and try that doodoo out when you unlock it at level 4

[plucky flax]

"This is shit!"

[vast yew]

it's disgusting

actually unusable

[spice veldt]

why is it the first staff unlockkedddddhdhdiejenyeidd

[vast yew]

the devs secretly have a gun Psyker agenda

trying to trick new Psykers into thinking the staves are bad

... also Chaos I just saw your Youtube URL name

On a completely different subject: is there a reason I have extra Stamina on my Dueling Sword in the Meat Grinder

for some reason I get an extra Stamina bar in there

[plucky flax]

Do you run stamina curio?

[vast yew]

I have a +3 yeah

does it do something funky with the math in the Psykanium

[plucky flax]

Yeah what level is that curio?

Is it sub 77?

[vast yew]

uhhh I can't check atm but probably

[plucky flax]

FartShart stamp of quality.

It's actually fake news.

[vast yew]

[plucky flax]

Your curio level need to be at least 77+ for the highest posible modifier (21%hp, 17% toughness, 3 stam.)

Stam curios in particular can say +3 even though it's 75.

It'll show +3 in meatgrinder but won't in actual game.

[vast yew]

Well time to redo that Curio I guess

goody

or hopefully they fix it?

[plucky flax]

I doubt it.

I think it's rounding error in their coding.

Since hp and toughness seem to consistently only have highest modifier at 77+.

[vast yew]

if only there was a way to spam grey curios like you can with weapons

[plucky flax]

If you have spare melk coins

[spare talon]

cursed option

[vast yew]

Still, if it's working in the Pyskanium it stands to reason that they can fix it for regular missions

whether or not they do before the heat death of the universe, however... well

This is Fatshark after all

[spare talon]

how are you guys building non blaze trauma?

[vast yew]

I don't have one but I'm pretty sure it's Warp Flurry + Rending Shockwave

[spare talon]

prolly skill problem on my part but I feel like I am doing kinda shit damage

mostly curious about the talents

[vast yew]

Flak/Maniacs feels right

Although with Warp Nexus being locked you could consider switching that one to Blaze

no Warp Flurry is feelsbadman

[spare talon]

Ye, I still need to fish for Blaze

[vast yew]

Blaze is T3 so you can use even bad rolls to fish

only take them to blue though

was a pain for me to find

[spare talon]

that doesn't sound that bad

but we will see

[hazy cedar]

Blaze trauma is incredible, that's a perfect staff for it

[spare talon]

First staff I use for fishing gets IV Terrifying Barrage

F off game

[hazy cedar]

I got about 20 of those and transfer perils before I got blazing spirit:(

[spare talon]

atleast low lvl items don't take much plasteel

[spare talon]

that is rough

[hazy cedar]

It wasn't great lol

[feral seal]

I've been playing void smite and stub smite back and forth for a while and I think I'm generally having better success with stub..

True aim is just really nice

[slow raven]

stub smite?

whats that

[feral seal]

Not having that crazy trash clear and elite control while dpsing with void is a bit of a loss but the special and elite sniping on revolver is just godly

[slow raven]

oh revolver

[feral seal]

Revolver with smite

[spare talon]

Revolver is kinda stupid ye

[feral seal]

Smite and ds4 can kinda do everything void can and can pick up the slack if you drop void, the only thing you really need is long range nuke so revolver fills in the niche perfectly

Ds4 and smite are just that op

[spare talon]

brains everything easily

[feral seal]

It really does

[spare talon]

the quick pullout and the damage is super handy in a game where taking out specials can be forgotten by some players

Zealot knives or Assail with Revolver is also wew

[strong gulch]

I support revolver + smite + DS.

[hybrid glade]

Hey does our Destiny highlight an enemy perk reliably work yet? Or is still just not highlighting stuff for half the mission sometimes

[echo turtle]

@plucky flax do you charge your illisi a lot? I just was playing a game with it and didn't feel like there were a lot of times I was getting use out of the charges heavies, I ended up spamming lights a lot more

Force sword 58 concentrated, still no bloodthirsty 😦

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you don't have time for heavy do special light.

It's quite a lot faster and can still easily kill 3 enemies.

Laspistol meme with solo clutch during mid event Xd

Only 10 deaths

[digital narwhal]

I have once again broken 1 million damage with Gun Psyker.

This is my 6th time.

[lyric burrow]

gunker also gives me the most damage consistently

900k is my most tho

i would have broken 1 million twice with blazing trauma on melee maelstrom cause i had to hit really long clutches to id be at like 500k before the mid event but we always end up dying

im banned from 1 million

[echo turtle]

I forgot how effective the H1L2 of the illisi was into hordes

[lyric burrow]

yeah if you cant charge that works fine

[plucky flax]

I find just light spam is easier than trying to do fancy combos.

Light spam with slaughterer stacks is very good.

[echo turtle]

I'm considering trying to set up a sword with Unarmored and infested to just be a dedicated horde clear

[plucky flax]

Nah they all die in 1 hit.

[lyric burrow]

you just need flak maniac

[plucky flax]

Better to get flak maniac for dreg bruisers and maniac for muties.

[lyric burrow]

it just one shots everything else with special or slaught

[echo turtle]

Yeah it does get the one shot on first target

[lyric burrow]

ive heard the headshot blessing is good now too

executor i think

havent used it myself yet

[echo turtle]

I believe it drops as soon as you hit anything else

So slaughterer brings more to the tablw

[lyric burrow]

slaught is def better

think some people are running both

been a while since i heard about it though

[echo turtle]

Hmmm my illisi uncharged light doesn't 1 hit a poxwalker

[lyric burrow]

it might not anymore without a little help

although you will usually have help through slaught/unstable power

or warp rider

[quasi junco]

Get a combat axe

[echo turtle]

Naw

I want deflector

[plucky flax]

It won't kill in first hit. But will with slaughterer stacks.

[echo turtle]

It gets the one shot once slaughterer gets rolling on the lihhta

Ye

I wish Brumo was a thing on force sword

[sinful peak]

what;s the trauma dump stat

[plucky flax]

30 poxwalkers light attacks only

[quasi junco]

i saw a block

[plucky flax]

It's also sedition.

I am found.

[echo turtle]

Videos from discord hate loading on my phone

[plucky flax]

Anyway see how I use illisi here. At the start of the clutch I used it for a bit. The rest is mostly just surge staff. I intertwine in a lot of special lights because it's fast and it gives instantly around 2 or 3 kills for slaughterer stacks.
I only do special heavy when I've backed myself against a corner or in safer situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4_cXz19XM&lc=UgzK-fhNvnTkSQ7mrT94AaABAg

[echo turtle]

Ha! I have the same cosmetic on my staff

[plucky flax]

I know deimos is good but for my playstyle I'd pick illisi over deimos to pair with any range weapon.

Even with purga.

[echo turtle]

Great clutch

[harsh urchin]

22 seconds

[thorn cedar]

what about when ur staff is a laspistol

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's slow with light spam. Put in some specials and it's a lot faster.

[echo turtle]

Yeah I see how tossing a charged light in for some extra damage works, Though Aside from the mutie sideswipe you're mostly tossing out lights and also mostly into unarmored or infested (not sure would have to watch again)

[rotund dagger]

i could clear that in rougly 3 seconds

with a nuke grenade

[plucky flax]

[harsh urchin]

[rotund dagger]

but

still counts

[plucky flax]

I bow down to superior horde clear of nuka grenada.

[echo turtle]

I'll have to play with it some more, I have an illisi with 25% flaniac and slaught4

I'll give it a go

[plucky flax]

Although I actually prefer the good old box over nuke.

[echo turtle]

Damn

[rotund dagger]

cant stop the box

[echo turtle]

Nuke is pure dopamine

[harsh urchin]

I've been thinking

[rotund dagger]

ulterior motive: Frag needs to explode sooner

[harsh urchin]

I dont think flak/maniac makes sense for everything anymore

[rotund dagger]

afraid of using the damn thing all the time because my team would kill the crowd before it even explodes

[harsh urchin]

flak is really good because non-finesse weapons automatically hit flak; and for bodyshot non-crit weapons, flak is the most common armor type

but for finesse weapons, a lot of elites don't have flak head

[plucky flax]

Frag? From vet or the box from ogryn?

[rotund dagger]

from vet

[harsh urchin]

IE: half the shotgunners dont have flak head

[echo turtle]

I'll give smite a go too, pinning everything with the fire burning is decent, and if I drop flayer for battle meditation there's a lot less reason to keep BB

[harsh urchin]

half the gunners dont have flak head

[rotund dagger]

nuke explodes in a very good time

[harsh urchin]

maulers dont have flak head

[rotund dagger]

but frag takes 2 years to blow

[harsh urchin]

in which case, I actually think crit/maniac is probably better than flak/maniac

for a lot of finesse weapons

[quasi junco]

What is that UI mod? I like it

[plucky flax]

Which ui elements? I use all the UI mods.

[fresh reef]

gee thanks emp

[quasi junco]

The one that puts your info at bottom, and buffs like warp charges more centered

me likey

[plucky flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10

You can use this one to move elements around.

Also hide stuff you don't want.

[fresh reef]

is terrifying barrage worth using with Surge?

on any other staff I'd think not, but it doesn't seem to suppress much and can safely swap flurry

[digital narwhal]

Not really, no

[fresh reef]

update: I have committed to putting it on anyway

[digital narwhal]

You need all the DPS you can scrape up with that thing, so

Flurry + Nexus

[fresh reef]

(the rest of the staff is BiS so whatever)

[rotund dagger]

terrifying barrage isnt really worth it on any weapon

[neat sand]

hazzar hadron did not brick it XD

[echo turtle]

Crit damage would be decent with a blood thirsty illisi

I seldom use the sword for anything but hordes tho myself

[strong gulch]

The way crit damage is calculated in this game makes it not really worth taking if can take something else.

[strong gulch]

There used to be a niche build for it when surge stunned 6+ targets (was 8 or 7 then nerfed to 6) as a even more CC heavy tool.

But let me know how you get on with terrifying barrage.

[vestal fulcrum]

Blursed godroll Obscurus appearance @ Brunt's

[strong gulch]

👀

[echo turtle]

Grab ut

One day, they may be good

[harsh urchin]

yeah

they'll give it deimos l1->h2; while having illisi special and illisi h1

[woeful patio]

Yeah PSA save all your 380’s

Hoping FS unfucks the crafting system eventually so you aren’t fucking forced to spend +200 hours on RNG to get a weapon the way you want it

Mad!!1!1!1!!

[vestal fulcrum]

Technically I already have a godrolled Obscurus, but no one's going to stop me from maybe having another one, with a different set of blessings

I pray for the OG Force sword having its redemption one day

[untold widget]

another mission, another carry with my trash builds and shit damage lol

[echo turtle]

They probably won't.

Weapons only going to 80% show that there will be ways to upgrade further at some point, but I see no reason not to expect another layer or bullshit rng

[quasi junco]

why you using trash builds?

[untold widget]

I'm not

[quasi junco]

oh you were being facetious

🤣

[fresh reef]

feels, about the exact same?

just a hi int game

only difference I noticed was my muscle memory was a little off for when I was charged all the way to kill flamers

[woeful patio]

Bro I’m fine with 80% being the cap

But let me take my 360 to 380

[spice veldt]

not me

i want my 100% quell speed

[woeful patio]

FAIR

[spice veldt]

you get +33% quell at 80% quell speed and 100% quell at 100% quell speed

that god damn nonlinear scaling

[woeful patio]

Wtf is that scaling

[fresh reef]

gonna try out maelstrom for more mauler spawns (iirc they're affected by suppression)

[woeful patio]

Jesus

[quasi junco]

is true aim on surge staff bad?

[spice veldt]

ikr?

[woeful patio]

Also Auric Damnation broke for me

Can’t play it anymore

Always crash mid mission

[spice veldt]

the range is from -50% to 100% tbf

[woeful patio]

But normal Damnation is fine

[spice veldt]

but I still want that shit

[untold widget]

probably a mod

[woeful patio]

But what on earth could it be

[untold widget]

literally anything

its why I don't use mods lmao

[woeful patio]

Again, standard Damnation is fine

But Auric isn’t

I’ll load into the mission just fine, be okay for 5 minutes, then completely at random crash

[spice veldt]

the ceo of fatshark has blacklisted you

[woeful patio]

Wouldn’t be surprising with how critical of their anti consumer practices I am

[untold widget]

disable mods until crash stops

then update

as needed I guess

[woeful patio]

😔

I can’t live without numeric UI

Should be vanilla

[untold widget]

if you still crash with no mods then idk

validate game assets maybe

[woeful patio]

Maybe I’ll just piss and moan in the discord

Like a real gamer

[untold widget]

I clear auric missions with no mods, it's 100% doable

[spice veldt]

owo

[woeful patio]

Maybe I’ll even ask fatshark to finish their game

[spice veldt]

i am too obsessive over my UI mods to play darktide without mods now

[woeful patio]

Ofc mods aren’t needed but I like being able to see exactly how much ammo or ult my teammates have

90% of mods are just QoL

And should be vanilla

Like being able to see weeklies in mission

[spice veldt]

without my UI elements in the center, I will just completely forget to manage them

[woeful patio]

Or ping monitor

[spice veldt]

health and ammo management is for POSERS

[woeful patio]

1 year post release and we’re still in Open Beta let’s fucking GOOOOOO

[strong gulch]

Interesting.

I was playing around in the meat grinder with terrifying barrage, and I there is a noticeable difference with the LMB but it's either negligible or nonexistent with RMB.

[fresh reef]

gonna try running flurry again to see how different it feels as a control

reminder for the staff I'm running lol

[woeful patio]

Flurry on surge is great

Tbh I don’t have the data to back it up but I feel like you’re getting more RMB’s out as they charge faster so less peril overall

[fathom adder]

Maximum Warp, Minimum Resistance, as the God-Emperor definitely intended

[fading iris]

how much peril do you get?

[strong gulch]

LMB surges I'm working on. 😂

[fading iris]

Because on my headcanon, with that staff, you send one RMB and lights up like an warp christmas tree

[fresh reef]

~20.6% per rmb

[fading iris]

the true warp edging

[fresh reef]

aight so, terrifying barrage does literally nothing for Surge it seems

cool, no wonder it didn't feel different

[strong gulch]

Right? RMB doesn't feel different.

LMB does, but that's... yeah

[fresh reef]

it did give me a weird sense of confidence, I guess

like I was dodge sliding into shooters to suppress them lul

it didn't work, I know that now

but I also didn't get shot

[strong gulch]

TB instills false confidence

[fading iris]

terrifying barrage sucks on everything, because the things that don't supress by default, you get better stuff than that

[strong gulch]

LMB has really good suppression on its own. TB does its thing at close range, but its silly.

[fresh reef]

suppress/kill the shooter across the room, suppress the shooter 2 feet behind you

stonks

[strong gulch]

😂

yee

[harsh urchin]

run and gun they added 10% close range dmg to it

but nobody uses it still

😢

[strong gulch]

oh really?

[harsh urchin]

ye in patch13 or 14

[fresh reef]

and it's just not listed on the description as usual?

or to rephrase, does it apply to staves?

[harsh urchin]

they added 40% reduced spread and 10% close range damage

[harsh urchin]

as per fatshark tradition

I dont see why it wouldn't work on staves lol

probably need to test

[fresh reef]

idk, spaghetti code or something

might as well try it since I have the spare slot

[fading iris]

watch it give +40% spread and -10% close range damage

less spread and more close damage sounds hella nice

[untold widget]

landed a blue 17% toughness curio with rank 4 ordo on it

pretty sick Brunt, thanks

[wheat quartz]

Hey siblings, does anyone know if the surge staff's individual damage ticks proc mettle and perfect timing independently?

Or empathic evasion

[orchid shadow]

Yes

[willow hazel]

I don't think so. They can't crit

[orchid shadow]

Surge? It can crit.

[slow raven]

spread doesnt do anything on staves does it?

[willow hazel]

Yes but the tickle damage can't

so it cannot proc mettle

[orchid shadow]

Oh, I miss read it.

[willow hazel]

but surge still procs mettle twice on crit

becuase it hits two targets

[wheat quartz]

Ah so only the final, high damage tick can crit

[orchid shadow]

Too bad they fixed the Lightning Storm bug for that extra jump for Mettle

[wheat quartz]

I was wondering why the buffs stacked up so slowly relative to how many damage ticks are happening but the tickle ticks being unable to crit makes perfect sense

Do the tickle ticks also hit random hit locations for true aim purposes?

[strong gulch]

yes

[wheat quartz]

Interesting

Wonder if it's worth dropping warp charges for empower/true aim on a surge staff/shriek/smite setup

[willow hazel]

No

The CDR is too good

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, It just crits on jumps.

[willow hazel]

the surge tickle doesn't stack True Aim

[strong gulch]

Yes it does. Head a weakspot hit from only tickle and proc true aim

[orchid shadow]

Warp charges will give you less initial damage than EP, but you'll get way more up-time (so more damage in the long run while you CC) while cycling Shriek. With EP, you'll babysit your charges as it's easy to waste them if you get knocked out of smite.

[willow hazel]

Oh I see. It's not very common still.

[strong gulch]

True

[wheat quartz]

Is it a 1/6 chance for a weakspot hit per smite tick/surge tickle?

[strong gulch]

No clue.

[wheat quartz]

Yeah, I'm currently using warp charges, just thinking if this'd be a workable alternative

[willow hazel]

There are 11 body types. So probably 1/11

Then it's 3 chances per surge

[echo turtle]

Probably the same reason flayer procs so much

[willow hazel]

so ~1/4 per surge. It doesn't seem worth it. It already has a 50% crit rate.

[strong gulch]

I wouldn't opt of EP just for true aim if your main damage is surge RMB. Warp Siphon mods provide both damage boost and comfort.

If you really want true aim on surge and getting the warp siphon nodes are too point expensive, you could try DD. That still is at least a damage boost.

[orchid shadow]

You'll get better mileage out of Warp charges. The only thing I hate about it is if you have to emergency Shriek for any reason without mobs around for rebuilding your stacks.

[wheat quartz]

On that topic, in fire reborn v vampire?

[echo turtle]

Warp siphon slaps

[woeful patio]

Warp Siphon fucks but EP BB 🤤

[strong gulch]

Smite hits a lot more targets and doesn't crit. You can farm for crit set ups with that more easily.

[wheat quartz]

Yeah I tried a weird build with smite + surge blessing voidstrike which was funny

[willow hazel]

But surge just isn't the best staff to take advantage of 1 free range crit

[strong gulch]

Sure isn't.

[long wharf]

but Assail is

as is Void

[echo turtle]

Yeah, surge already crits near 1/3 of the time

[strong gulch]

Smite + void with true aim isn't meta, but it's still a strong build.

[wheat quartz]

I'm assuming fire reborn means "killed while soulblaze is active on this target", rather than "killed by soulblaze tick"

[echo turtle]

Assuming is a dangerous game

[limber silo]

What's the point of taking Empowered Psionics if you have decently powerful weapons?

[wheat quartz]

that's how it worked before the talent rework, right

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[echo turtle]

It's ok for assail

[limber silo]

EP just doesn't benefit the rest of my kit, only blitz

[strong gulch]

mostly assail

[willow hazel]

yeah. So you can just kill the horde and get warp charges back.

[limber silo]

seems a little low value imo

[willow hazel]

if you start at low stacks

[echo turtle]

Warp siphon is way better, but also has 2 more points of tax and costs 5 to go all the way down

[strong gulch]

If you are heavy on assail use, it's worth it. Otherwise meh

[limber silo]

DD and WS are just better in general

[valid bone]

My guess would be to try empower your brainbursts to be used against tougher enemies, perhaps Bosses.

[wheat quartz]

well, that's the thing, do you statistically get more stacks over time with 10% per soulblazed target death or 4% per any target death for any reason

since those are mutually exclusive now when they weren't in the previous talent setup

[limber silo]

I just get better damage by doing the BB ult perk

[willow hazel]

With Scrier's, DD is way better

[bleak tulip]

😢

[limber silo]

kinetic resonance, that's the one

[strong gulch]

Depends on the amount of soulblaze consistently up for in fire reborn vs vampire.

[bleak tulip]

I am not a meta bitch?

;;

[limber silo]

tbh, meta is useless rn

most everything is viable, if not good

[strong gulch]

You've been on the void love pre void meta.

OG void lover

ummm

[bleak tulip]

[strong gulch]

what did I just say 😂

[bleak tulip]

I dont know lmao

[willow hazel]

Surge staff is best staff

[limber silo]

Why tho?

Doesn't seem to do good enough damage, not good at clear, so whats good about it?

[strong gulch]

Surge staff is my favorite staff. It is strong, but I would not call it best.

[willow hazel]

The soulblaze CDR build. It just so much better in it.

[bleak tulip]

maybe once they unbug it

[wheat quartz]

I use it for that purpose

[limber silo]

I honestly think Surge is the weakest staff atm

[wheat quartz]

It's good at sniping kills for you to get more shriek with

[willow hazel]

Are you canceleing it's right clicks?

[limber silo]

wdym?

idk how to do that

[digital narwhal]

I make a meme about liking Guns over Staves.
Meanwhile, Reddit: "So you think Guns are better than Staves?"

The people there are hilarious.

[willow hazel]

If you press Q after releasing, it does damage immediately...

[limber silo]

hmmm

[limber silo]

I prefer gunker over surge still

My laspistol does better damage than my 377 surge

[bleak tulip]

I mean you have to switch cancel it to make it do enough damage is a pretty clear indicator its not great

[willow hazel]

It kills instantly. It still one shots most things, and the 2 tap is super quick.

[thorn cedar]

give psyker shotgun for shotgunning pls

[limber silo]

Yeah, if you have to do silly tech to make surge good, it's not good

[digital narwhal]

Kill the switch cancel with Surge, but fix it's targeting and give it the damage buff it deserves.

[bleak tulip]

unless it hits the wrong hitzone

and you fuck the BP up

[willow hazel]

I agree guns are better in isolation. But they don't create peril for Creeping Flames.

[digital narwhal]

Assail and Smite do.

Also, Scrier's Gaze > Shriek for Gun Psyker

Don't @ Me

[willow hazel]

It goes on an 11s cooldown. It's actually difficult to create enough peril.

[limber silo]

If FS wants me to take Surge, I believe it needs to either generalize into aoe more, or specialize in single target hard enough to compete with guns/BB spam

[thorn cedar]

Laspistol force push

[strong gulch]

Assail + gun because "ammo economy" + creeping flames

[bold maple]

people love creeping flame but dislike purge staff

[digital narwhal]

Stronk

[bold maple]

rope

[echo turtle]

Wouldn't autoguns be the way to go due to the crit strings?

[fresh reef]

first 1m damage game! 🎊

[willow hazel]

They can't create enough peril

[limber silo]

Funny, I use creeping flames w/ purge so I can get almost all my stacks up on enemies immediately

[digital narwhal]

Ye

[fresh reef]

also styled on a sniper that same game

[digital narwhal]

Autogun crit strings go hard on Gun Psyker

[bleak tulip]

scriers can

[limber silo]

You can't use creeping flames and scriers at the same time

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's and Assail is perfectly fine for maintaining high Peril when used in conjunction.

[digital narwhal]

Then use Smite.

[thorn cedar]

not with that shit ass attitude you cant

[willow hazel]

1.2m with surge.

[bleak tulip]

and yeah technically running some shit like columnus 5 is "meta" right now because you just get infinite crits

[thorn cedar]

you just gotta stare into the warp

[strong gulch]

Barrel move tech

[thorn cedar]

and tell that fucked up eldritch asshole

gimme my Soulblaze

[limber silo]

what are you talking about?

[fresh reef]

surge stays winning

[digital narwhal]

For Creeping Flames.

Use Smite's Peril gen for Creeping Flames.

[willow hazel]

Not gonna deny it. He wasn't running Shriek though, but I am sure a bunch of his PC procs went to me.

[limber silo]

I think you have a concept error

[digital narwhal]

Lay it out for me, then.

[limber silo]

Who is running gunker w/o Scrier's Gaze? I'm sure it's viable, but the changes to how psyker works make the old build not work well

[strong gulch]

fire theft

[limber silo]

So yeah, you could run creeping flames with smite, but you wouldn't get much synergy with guns

[strong gulch]

me

[limber silo]

you're basically asking to build a non-gunker build with a gun

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psyker is perfectly fine with SG, even if slightly weaker.
You just exchange pure DPS for AOE with Venting Shriek, or safety with Shield.

[limber silo]

I just can't see much build potential using anything outside of the left treee

right

[digital narwhal]

Using Malefic Momentum and Perfect Timing, building up stacks with your gun quickly, and then going into Smite + Creeping Flames for extra damage on Smite and the Soulblaze seems fine on paper to me.

[strong gulch]

Revolver is slow plus I am slow to aim. I get very little value out of scrier's gaze. So I opt for smite or assail + creeping flames.

[echo turtle]

Beast

[bleak tulip]

inb4 thats from 13

[digital narwhal]

Is it?

[limber silo]

Malefic Momentum on smite is an absolute joke

[digital narwhal]

Yeah but Soulblaze

I just had to mention "on Smite" otherwise someone might've hit me with an "akchually, Smite too"

[echo turtle]

10% !!!! Edit:wrong skill

[bleak tulip]

idk, either the mission was quite long or it has something to do with the 200 special kills that the damage is that inflated

[limber silo]

Okay, so 20% on 6ish stacks of soulblaze

you can get that elsewhere and easier

[echo turtle]

The damage is high from 1400 lesser enemies And 200 specials

He did almost half the total damage of the party

[bleak tulip]

yeah I do too on void

thats not special

[digital narwhal]

+20% for 8 seconds from Malefic Momentum
+15% for 8 seconds from Perfect Timing
Up to +20% from Warp Rider
Up to +24% with Warp Siphon (if you go that route, with stacks on Soulblaze kills)

[bleak tulip]

do that on ogryn too

sometimes on zealot even though im not very good at zealot I think

[digital narwhal]

I know Warp Siphon stacks are consumed on cast, but it's possible to get stacks back fast enough for it to still affect the Soulblaze

[echo turtle]

It looks like a long game, 3k total enemies.

But still solid output

[echo turtle]

Sometimes I get back to 6 within a few seconds

[digital narwhal]

Exactly

[limber silo]

You probably aren't gonna have all your stacks of Perfect Timing unless your using a high rof gun
your Warp Rider is less than that because your shriek vents
you don't have warp charges at all because you just got rid of them

[digital narwhal]

Then use a high RoF gun

then use Smite to get up higher after cast

and I just explained Warp Siphon

[bleak tulip]

getting perfect timing stacked is trivial if you run anything that hits weakspots

[limber silo]

You are basing your argument on a set of variables that are never going to line up like that

[vapid lichen]

in my req shop
could be cracked

[limber silo]

Your idealism is nice, but just that

[vapid lichen]

😭 not like this

[limber silo]

good luck to you buddy

[digital narwhal]

I've done it perfectly fine, so

[vapid lichen]

well i dont have enough plasteel anyways
will need a couple missions

[limber silo]

Sure, in the psykanium probably

[digital narwhal]

Everything I'm mentioning, I've done myself successfully

[digital narwhal]

[bleak tulip]

getting all those stacks isnt very hard what do you mean lol

[digital narwhal]

Fuck off with that lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Erm, you already have two bad rolls, that's quite a stretch for "could be"

Good luck to ya

[limber silo]

Well good for you, I'm glad your good enough to make up for your build

[digital narwhal]

It's a fine build.

[vapid lichen]

i already have a decent ds4 but it's worth a shot lol

[digital narwhal]

But go off, kiddo.

Whatever floats your boat, champ.

[willow hazel]

It was Chasm Station, so it was probably on the long side.

[limber silo]

You are very fun person

[digital narwhal]

And you said it wouldn't work despite me having done it, so you moved the goalpost.

I can imagine how that might not be fun for you.

[limber silo]

My statements have not been proven wrong. Your only proof is "well I can do it"

[digital narwhal]

Your only proof is "Well I can't do it"

But here we are

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[limber silo]

No, my argument is "Not likely, and very tedious"

Never even said it was bad, just funky and backwards

[digital narwhal]

I've done it several times through many runs.

It's not hard.

[limber silo]

chill Grond, you're getting mad about a bideo game

[digital narwhal]

What about how I was typing made you think I'm not relaxed?

I know it's hard to convey tone through text, so I forgive you, schnookums.

But you shouldn't make assumptions.

[limber silo]

If your the kinda guy to make a build that requires a lot of upkeep to be good, then feel free and enjoy yourself

[lethal lagoon]

He got ya with the "calm down" it's gg. The OG internet Karen move.

[digital narwhal]

*you're

[limber silo]

Guess I lost the argument now

[bleak tulip]

bro is going through every cope argument

I have never met a chiller guy than grond

[digital narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

I used to be a fuckin' nightmare during the "FartShart bad" era of the Discord though

[lethal lagoon]

Speaking of smite damage(kind of), EP smite get's a shotgunner down to 20% health, that's pretty pog.

[digital narwhal]

I've since mellowed out

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[digital narwhal]

I'm glad it shows

[digital narwhal]

Ah shit, my bad

[bleak tulip]

thats fine I probably tuned you out back then

[digital narwhal]

I was mostly in Ogryn Chat tbf

[limber silo]

Is that something to be glad about?

[fresh reef]

the containment zone

[bleak tulip]

yeah that checks out then I wasnt really there early

[digital narwhal]

When Choco was still around.

[limber silo]

Idk, I don't use smite to kill things

[lethal lagoon]

Chain reaction potential is always something to be glad about.

[limber silo]

I do use smite on my gunker build simply because I hate large groups of maulers and ragers

[digital narwhal]

It's more so about EP charge looping

[limber silo]

It lacks stagger, so smite fills it out nicely

[digital narwhal]

EP Smite with Creeping Flames means guaranteed charges against Shotgunners

[limber silo]

hmmm

[digital narwhal]

It's just nice to know is all

[lethal lagoon]

Might not even need fire, given it get's em to 20%, they just have to had some basic damage done agaisnt a few of them from teammates and it'll set off a perilous combustion cascade

[digital narwhal]

Fair tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Point is, that's more than I expected, given EP smite runs a lot quicker than Warp charge smite.

[limber silo]

I never used smite w/ fire, It's just seems to double down on the same role in a kit, so that's interesting to think about

[digital narwhal]

I think EP Smite should have the faster chaining swapped out for reduced Peril generation tbh

[lethal lagoon]

^

[digital narwhal]

Someone post the video for this man

(I'll do it)

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[fresh reef]

can we start referring to it as Royalty Free Smite?

[bleak tulip]

qq

[limber silo]

I just go mostly down left for fire and take BB because it's slightly more fun than staring at a horde until it dies

[bleak tulip]

[digital narwhal]

[bleak tulip]

but yeah creeping with smite is goated for pub runs

[potent echo]

Smite creeping is actually just creeping

[digital narwhal]

It is currently one of the top pub stomping builds

ye

[potent echo]

Smite is just there to generate peril

[bleak tulip]

you can save a lot of people from getting the shit kicked out of them by a pile of ragers

[digital narwhal]

Keeping enemies still is just gravy

[lethal lagoon]

Flaming smite can be kind of mid on anything but Auric Mael though. Need that high enemy densitity.

[potent echo]

As a gunker you really lack aoe control

[limber silo]

Every build benefits from high density tho

[bleak tulip]

smites there to generate peril and save your teams asses and give em a breather because they overextended again or tunnel visioned

can you tell I play almost 98% auric pubs

[lethal lagoon]

Not really? What's "every build" going to do when that high density includes 3 bulwarks, 4 crushers, 7 maulers, and 3 flak ragers?

[fresh reef]

nothing better than throwing some purple behind a teammate only to watch them immediately press S after realizing what's 1 meter behind them

[digital narwhal]

A Crusher blocking another Crusher overhead anim when you're trying to DSword them while a friendly Ogryn stands in the way of your view says hello

(I am jumping through many hoops)

[limber silo]

Get your cooldowns back faster

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[limber silo]

Basically every perk on the tree that relies on elites/specials is WAY better because of high density

[digital narwhal]

It's not always a benefit though in terms of real gameplay, is all.

Think of Purgatus Psykers

Bulwarks bully them.

[limber silo]

Wrong, I get to kill more things, that's better gameplay

[fresh reef]

5% doesn't sound like a lot until you start killing 10 elites at once

[digital narwhal]

Elite spawns go crazy tbh

[quasi junco]

But pointing and laughing is also fun

[bleak tulip]

thats why my theory of optimal purg blitz is assail and you just stagger em righ that

not that I actually tried that

[limber silo]

Just take BB, BB is great

[digital narwhal]

RMB and flicking upwards so the shard hits them in the head is peak Assail usage

[bleak tulip]

yeee

[potent echo]

Taking assail means no CDR, poopoo

[fresh reef]

the group of crushers will descend on you now that you have no CC against them

perish

[lethal lagoon]

Or, you can accidentally start charging smite at 80% peril, they rush in to melee the ragers, the smite instantly ends and they get instantly gibbed. 🙂
(I've seen this happen so many times lmao)

[bleak tulip]

I mean thats why I dont run it, an BB isnt gonna do that for you either

[limber silo]

Just take Shriek, Shriek is great

[bleak tulip]

and using smite on purg feels bad

[potent echo]

Force sword push

Or shriek

[digital narwhal]

While true, and genuine answer to the problem, I've seen a greater number of PurgSmite Psykers than PurgeBB Psykers.
I know it's personal bias, but it's a genuine consideration.

[fresh reef]

shriek is good but it's on a cooldown

[digital narwhal]

Some weapons have genuine weakness vs enemy density

[bleak tulip]

yeah I guess with purg you might just wanna run deimos instead

[fresh reef]

Smite and Trauma are, arguably, not

[limber silo]

Not if you kill elites

[potent echo]

Smite trauma makes zero sense

[digital narwhal]

Or Deimos H2

[potent echo]

Donk

[limber silo]

Trauma kinda invalidates the blitzes to me

[digital narwhal]

Get knocked down, idiot

[limber silo]

It has cc, it does damage, it's great for crowds and single targets, Trauma is just great

[digital narwhal]

It doesn't have good range though

[potent echo]

Trauma BB

[digital narwhal]

So Brain Burst

[potent echo]

Just to kill that annoying sniper in the fog

[digital narwhal]

^

[orchid nest]

I always run deimos instead of ds4 for that reason if the melees purpose in the build is to kill crushers. ds4 dps is great but the long range push and throwing crushers or maulers on their ass makes it so much easier than the ds4 stagger

[bleak tulip]

void sure as shit invalidates blitzes for me thats why I run smite basically exclusively to save pubbies

[limber silo]

fr, OG psyker build is still great

[digital narwhal]

TRUE

[long wharf]

well, I wouldn't say "great"

[limber silo]

Left tree is great and always was

[bleak tulip]

if BB wasnt a part of it I would agree

[limber silo]

BB + Shriek + WS is always a good time

[long wharf]

BB is very niche

[quasi junco]

I feel the same way imo

[potent echo]

BB always had good utility, just don't take resonance and use it as a main DPS tool

[fresh reef]

for me it's an ease of use thing, and the fact that Surge has better boss dps over Trauma and BB

I love Trauma but sometimes I don't want to deal with the funny circle

also Surge has the unique benefit of being able to look away from your target during its cast

[limber silo]

Idk about the boss damage part

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma aiming starts hurting my eyes after a game or two 😦

[potent echo]

Surge has boss damage?

[limber silo]

lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah its good utility up to a point, but it takes like 6 seconds to kill a crusher, I can deal with long range with void and now all its there for would be bulwarks if surge void didnt also open them up lol

[potent echo]

You mean like lmb spam?

I guess that's fine going into bonbon pimple

[digital narwhal]

What if... they replaced Enfeeble, and then gave us Cerebral Lacerations back for Brain Burst?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah they fixed it.

[quasi junco]

Surge is kinda boring tho. It’s odd aiming and anti-visceral gameplay is a turn off

[digital narwhal]

And what if they buffed Kinetic Flayer?

[lethal lagoon]

It's Not Bad

[bleak tulip]

🙏

[potent echo]

I still wouldn't call it boss damage though