psyker-class

[strong gulch]

Depends on the trauma build. The Atheneum in the pinned messages has recommendations.

Trauma is a butt to build.

[hot zephyr]

Oh.... That explains it. I thought it said "LUNCH mission". I wondered why there wasn't anywhere to get a burger!

[plucky flax]

Giga ogryn in the strike team

[late yew]

There are rations

if you are ogryn

[late yew]

I expect him to be one of the stupidest creatures you ever seen

Probably a new lifeform

That is how it goes with people with such huge amount of hours on 1 character

[waxen abyss]

When will Ogryn get a weapon with a special that has (corpsestarch-flavored) sandvich?

[strong gulch]

Terrifying to nexus and ranged elites to flak. Flak is what you are going to hit most often that still does decent damage but still really benefits from +25% damage.

go to perks are crit chance / flak / maniac. If you have to lock a perk, unyielding isn't the bad but it's not ideal.

[plucky flax]

He actually has other characters at fairly high levels too. I think his second highest is like 400 or 500.

[strong gulch]

Holy feck. Give that one all of the snacks.

[orchid shadow]

I'd be curious to know if there was a stat in our profile somewhere that tracked wins and losses. Surprised there isn't a mod for that.

[quasi junco]

why do people like to run up and shove bursters on that maelstrom modifier that spawns them like crazy? Let psykers kill them all and keep back

I just single handedly wiped our team cuz they all ran up on like 4 of them and I poofed em

was funny tho, would do it again

[sweet veldt]

Because shoving is a much SAFER way to deal with bursters during a horde

[strong gulch]

Either the scoreboard or a scoreboard plugin has a log of wins and loss if you choose to save the scoreboards.

[quasi grotto]

...wait shriek is a cone and not omnidirectional?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Very narrow by you where it starts.

[quasi grotto]

Oh man.

[dense ivy]

What's the ideal force sword looking like right now

[harsh urchin]

He came here seeking validation but turns out he was the scrub all along. 😹

[dense ivy]

I'm really enjoying Riposte with a crit tree build

[mortal marsh]

Crit or Unyielding on my Mk 4 Dueling Sword?

[dense ivy]

But I want to take Deflector so it's either give up Slaughterer or Riposte and I don't wanna lose either

[mortal marsh]

With Maniac of course

[harsh urchin]

Prob cara

[deep whale]

Does anyone else notice Exorcist doesnt quell peril if the weakspot hit kills the target?

same for scriers gaze not gaining weakspot kill stacks, or benefiting from warp charge cdr/kinetic prescience cdr

[harsh urchin]

Scriers gaze does benefit from cdr

[plucky flax]

When the whole squad are no lifers

[harsh urchin]

It just is terrible because the cdr only starts after the skill ends

[mortal marsh]

Grass not found

[harsh urchin]

It's super terrible because of that

[frozen osprey]

holy fuck 1960

what the hell

[harsh urchin]

They reverted executioners stance doing that in patch13

[plucky flax]

He's built different.

[harsh urchin]

But SG stil gets to be shit

[mortal marsh]

What's Psykers best staff for single target? Surge right?

Want something to pair with Assail

[deep whale]

I just had 6 warp charges and waited out the timer, it isnt giving any benefit in pyskhanium

before

after

[harsh urchin]

Sucks lol

It does work with the 10% aura

[deep whale]

yeah

I hope it is at least known to them, i would hate for it to be passed over to be fixed by part 2

[stable silo]

ginger with assail u pair with voidstrike

to deal with armor

[mortal marsh]

Ah ok, what I use already then

I thought Surge would've been better for armor

[stable silo]

ya but with surge

you dont use assail

u just spam more surge

assail now is all about the weapon swappings

[plucky flax]

Surge smite best

[stable silo]

i tend to run surge /bb just to deal with annoying long ranged guys like snipers/gunner from 10 miles away

i dont talent BB its just kinda there

[plucky flax]

I use bb with trauma.

Surge has surprisingly long range.

And it 1 shot sniper.

[harsh urchin]

Shame the only way to make assail work now

Is to bug abuse lol

[stable silo]

well it actually works really good with the malefic momentum

[plucky flax]

What assail bug?

[stable silo]

usually u just assail into the unarmored elite packs i absouletly shred gunners

[deep whale]

Huh what seems to be happening with Exorcist is you dont get any of the quell until AFTER your natural quelling starts

really sucks then when trying to use it with an illsi

[stable silo]

why would u run it with illsi?

[deep whale]

scriers gaze

[stable silo]

OH YA

i keep forgetting about that talent

im so focused on vent and dome

[deep whale]

the quell lets you keep your combo longer

[peak carbon]

I run smite and surge. Works really well for all situations

[stable silo]

what about that snipers

[deep whale]

you still have the magic missles from the lmb

[peak carbon]

Tag em and let someone else deal with them

[hearty oak]

Do they know there are other classes?

[plucky flax]

Shame surge is still bugged right now.

[stable silo]

i suppose

[peak carbon]

What’s bugged about it?

[stable silo]

i love my surge staff it shreds

[plucky flax]

I think his zealot is also level like 400 or 500. But he just enjoys ogryn a lot.

[peak carbon]

I only play heresy though

[stable silo]

oh u should up it man

i only play auric dam

[plucky flax]

Do less damage than intended on multi armour typed enemies.

[stable silo]

the biggest jump is from malic eto heresyt

heresy to damnation is easier

and all auric is is high int damnation

[peak carbon]

Oh nice. Maybe I’ll go try it out later today

[stable silo]

enemy stats are 50% increased from malic eto heresy and 25% from heresy to damnation

[glossy ember]

behold, the power of scrier surge staff (my whole team DC'd in the middle and was replaced bit by bit)

[peak carbon]

I didn’t know that

[stable silo]

scier surge staff??? thats sounds insane

[glossy ember]

im sorry dalyn

didn't mean to ping you

LMAO

[plucky flax]

I only play sedition dw

[stable silo]

its ok

im liking what ur puitting down

kinda

[plucky flax]

5 material pickups

[stable silo]

how the hell do u keep your peril down with sciers surge

and how do u beat hte addiction that is surge staff peril max vent surge staff peril max vent cause CDR rocks

[hearty oak]

I bet they beg for an equivalent to chaos wastes. I would have left long before 500

[peak carbon]

I tried scorers with assail when it first came out. I might have to try that with surge

[stable silo]

EP assail IMO is the big win there

for unlimited elite chains

since EP gives free shard on elite kill

but sciers scares me so maybe its amazing

[deep whale]

Exorcist on illsi helps during a horde

[glossy ember]

you quell

[glossy ember]

you blitz cancel

[stable silo]

i tried a fun build with fire sword illsi scriers it was kinda funny

[glossy ember]

im a failure as a reject...

[stable silo]

my team mates didnt laugh though my damage sky rocketed in the ending unlimited horde

i think it was on the archives level

or the elevator

never again though

[glossy ember]

this was prett fun

[glossy ember]

oh no no it's clearly inferior to creeping flames surge staff

[half iron]

low intensity sedition gamers rise up‼️💯🗣️🗣️

[glossy ember]

the build i'm using is a bad build

[plucky flax]

No creeping flames worse. Clearly need buffs.

[glossy ember]

i'm about to screenshot you saying it's a bad build and send it to fatshark HQ so they can buff my build

100iq strats

[stable silo]

waht the build u runnin

[glossy ember]

this but it's a meme build so take care using it

[stable silo]

oh very close to what i had picked except i went DD instead of the warp charges

[glossy ember]

yeah gunker goes dd

they get to hit weakpoints

[near wyvern]

@lethal folio @soft notch Before you take a word of someone over the Atheneum (where the information that is in it has either been tested by me or I have verified the proof aka video for it), you should at least check it out by yourself, or even better, record a clip and ping me so I can verify something has changed.

Tagging @fresh reef here since you might be appreciated about the subject and I do appreciate if I am informed about changes. Unfortunately in this case it has not changed, still bugged.

Proof which was recorded today so still the case:
https://youtu.be/_mwavfvjARE

TLDW Anticipation gives you 1 extra dodge nothing else

[stable silo]

i thought something like this might be fun for surge scrier but ur right maybe not enough weakpoint hits

i just assumed u would be running the execorist illisi

hits all the peril reduction and since nice dmg/utility misses out a bit on the toughness reduction

[glossy ember]

i use illisi only if i'm overwhelmed or got trash to clean up

[stable silo]

one with warp covers it nicely though

[glossy ember]

this is what I was using, but riposte isn't that good/affects staff so back to Shred

[glossy ember]

one with the warp is nice but i went for as much crit as possible

so crit aura

[late yew]

both b ad

Rending on illi is stupid

[glossy ember]

[late yew]

It is anti-horde weapon

You should have slaughterer and shield on it

[glossy ember]

shield is meh

slaughterer sure

i'd like slaughterer + shred

but we ain't all that lucky

[glossy ember]

woops, i didn't take mettle, wrong node

[glossy ember]

something like that if you want middle aura for w/e reason

[azure bridge]

man I am having a rough time of it trying to get this blaze trauma staff to work

[late yew]

You are meh

[plucky flax]

It's cos it's really bad and need buffs.

[late yew]

Shield is great

[late yew]

??? people been saying it is literally meta

@near wyvern

[plucky flax]

[late yew]

although i personally don't get it

I've been using it a lot

And unless it is particulary large group of elites, blaze just does not do anything

[frigid zenith]

Blaze is like 50% of my damage unless there is another person eating up dot ticks.

Trauma is a different playstyle for sure.

[near wyvern]

"being shelfis in war" is trolling and wants it to be buffed for no reason

[frigid zenith]

Gotta capitalize on the right situations.

Use your shriek offensively to spread blaze.

[fierce yoke]

I’m new to the game and I just started messing around on Psyker, using the lightning blitz is quite fun and is great for stunlocking crowds of enemies, but I feel like I’m not getting many outright kills. Am I using the ability right or is there something I should be doing differently?

[glossy ember]

I know.

[pallid spindle]

It just doesn't do a lot of damage on its own

[glossy ember]

oh wait

were you talking about shield the ability

and not the deflector blessing?

[lethal folio]

Anticipation increases your dodge linger time, which only applies to melee enemies.

[glossy ember]

thought you were talking about the blessing lol

[frigid zenith]

You have to combine smite with soulblaze to get consistent kills.

Smite with shriek, use venting at like 80% peril while smiting.

[late yew]

How do you know?

and also yeah, this is the problem

Most enemies will die waaay before any ticks

[frigid zenith]

Don't ever let your smite hit 100%

If you do you don't get the knockdown effect.

[summer prairie]

have you looked at the code CommissarTyr, the linger time modifier barely seemed to matter for the calculation when I looked into it

[late yew]

Using shriek with blaze trauma is throwing

[frigid zenith]

Scoreboard mod.

[late yew]

Should take shield

[late yew]

... how the fuck do you know it is specifically blaze

and not trauma itself

[frigid zenith]

Lol, why on earth would you think that?

[glossy ember]

warpfire damage?

[ornate hamlet]

To avoid losing the knockdown on smite at high peril, use a staff

[frigid zenith]

Soulblaze is warpfire damage on the modified scoreboard.

[ornate hamlet]

[late yew]

The fuck you want, an ability to have BOTH huge stunlock and killing everything?

[late yew]

No, i was talknkijg about deflector

[glossy ember]

oh

[plucky flax]

Check warpfire damage and ranged damage. Ranged is my trauma, warpfire is obviously from blazing spirits, combustion, creeping flames.

[bitter veldt]

Don't you just use Purgatus staff to stunlock and kill everything?

[glossy ember]

Shred ends up being a better deflector with empathic evasion though

[fierce yoke]

I am new, just wanted to be clear if I am using a utility based ability or if there was a “raw offense” part of the ability that I was missing

[late yew]

which is the additional mod b tw

[late yew]

WEll no shit i don't have such detailed scoreboard

which mods gives it?

submod

[glossy ember]

oven proof scoreboard

[plucky flax]

It's bad guys pls buff.

[summer prairie]

base dodge_linger_time is only 0.2s

even increasing that by 50% would still be nothing

[late yew]

is this name of the mod?

[frigid zenith]

Yes

[bitter veldt]

if you take Venting Shriek + Creeping Flames it gives you synergy to vent your peril and lock down burning targets until they die

but otherwise, Smite is mostly utility

[frigid zenith]

I kill the absolute fuck outta everything with my smite build.

[hearty oak]

YES

[summer prairie]

ogryn base dodge_linger_time is 0s btw

[spice veldt]

f

[fierce yoke]

I see. So should I focus on just using it to stun enemies for my teammates to kill or should I be focusing more on a mix of melee and smite to get more kills?

[late yew]

then take trauma

[late yew]

what is this characteristic even

[hearty oak]

||They dont know the secret to the perils of the warp||

[lethal folio]

Its the time you count as dodging where melee doesn't track you

[glossy ember]

what so ogryn can't dodge attacks?

[visual adder]

PSYKERS

BEWARNED

IM ABOUT TO SHARE

[lethal folio]

Increasing that means you cut the time you aren't dodging while chaining dodges

[visual adder]

CURSED INFORMATION

FROM THE BOWELS OF THE WARP

[bitter veldt]

that really depends on your team. the "problem" with smite is that it locks enemies pretty spread out which makes them harder to clean up sometimes.

[late yew]

also, does Vortex now officialy work with darktide?

[hearty oak]

I cant do staffs. No damage to bosses without some sort of empowerment

[spice veldt]

so, there's no linger time for dodging against ranged?

[summer prairie]

Going from 0.2s to 0.3s doesn't seem very meaningful (assuming that's the math). When you are chaining dodges against melee you are usaully blocking as well anyway

[lethal folio]

simple if is_melee and t < dodge_linger_end_time then
return true, dodge_types.linger

[fierce yoke]

Makes sense. Although, they’re still locked in place while being softened up by continuous lightning damage so I feel like that is more of a mild inconvenience than a real problem.

[spice veldt]

damn

[summer prairie]

the code has linger_time vs ranged too but at least here it isn't used

[late yew]

Psyker in general does not have good boss damage

[bitter veldt]

Generally yeah, until you fail to kill a straggler, max out your peril and people don't realize theres a not-dead thing right behind them 😄

[ornate hamlet]

Soften them up by killing them

Smite spam is cancerous

[frigid zenith]

Take all -peril shit. Take all warpfire spread shits. Take smite, vent, and EP. Take a force sword with deflector and a fucking revolver. Shoot shit in the head for EP stacks. Smite large groups of anything. Vent at 80% during smite. Shits gonna die.

[spice veldt]

well that kills my dreams of anticipation

[late yew]

Actually, this is exactly why i failed that investigation mission where you have to do 5 investigations in a room, and then 5 more... Psyker was smiting everyone, and we could not kill mob s in time becasuie they were so spread out

[spice veldt]

i thought that even if it worked properly, it would at least help a little against spamming dodges against ranged enemies

[hearty oak]

His crit chance with guns says otherwise

[late yew]

counter argument

[lethal folio]

It makes you much more effective side dodging through mixed melee while attacking.

[late yew]

gunker is poopy and cringe

[ornate hamlet]

Umgak

[late yew]

If you play gunker, you are dissapointment to your parents

exactly

[hearty oak]

I play gunker

to spite you

[late yew]

You are dissapointment to your parents

[frigid zenith]

Gunpsyker is for sure a meme. But fun and effective if they get enough ammo.

[late yew]

i would not call effective, really

staves still better

[hearty oak]

They are berry effective

with sciers and DD

[frigid zenith]

Meme as in, not the normal thing a space wizard does. Not meme as in bad.

[late yew]

no

[hearty oak]

things die fast

[late yew]

Never seen gun psyker outdamaging proper psyker

[glossy ember]

people posted plenty of scoreboards of gunker here though doing good damage

[lethal folio]

What proper psyker outperforms gun?

[soft notch]

"proper" 😂

[hearty oak]

You damaged a lot of lesser enemies?

[ornate hamlet]

Well, I bet I have some scoreboards to prove it

[lethal folio]

It's bait but I want to hear the thought-process.

[idle bay]

I love how melee psykers never mentioned 🙂

[late yew]

Any

[frigid zenith]

How well a psyker does on Any build depends on several factors.

[digital narwhal]

Hi, I'm a Gun Psyker main.

[ornate hamlet]

Everyone knows they're good anyway

[late yew]

You are main dissapointment of humanity, that's what you are

[hearty oak]

He isnt wrong though

[idle bay]

Shhh.. "melee psykers don't exit" ™

[hearty oak]

Gun psykers make the bigger problems die

[late yew]

What gun though

[lethal folio]

Laspistol/columnus

[digital narwhal]

Columnus IAG

Flak + Maniac
DumDum + Fire Frenzy

[lethal folio]

What staff though?

[hearty oak]

mk 5/ revolver/headhunter.

you name it

[frigid zenith]

1a lasgun as well.

[late yew]

Pretty sure trauma would outperform it

[frigid zenith]

They do about the same.

[late yew]

nto even mentioning leeching of ammo from other classes

[glossy ember]

damn, all of these doing more damage than my scrier staff

[summer prairie]

trauma definitely wouldn't outperform that in terms of ranged damage, not even close

[glossy ember]

[ornate hamlet]

"Leeching"

[late yew]

Yes, leeching

[idle bay]

There used to be Vraks MK III may it rest in peace now. Boss melter...

[lethal folio]

Bolt trauma is fine for run'n'gunning but doesn't have burst dps for ogryns or mutants.

[late yew]

because you don't have to use ammo

But they do

[hearty oak]

[late yew]

Scrier is bad for staves, it is better for melee and guns

[glossy ember]

surely i'll manage to get a 800+k game

one day

[ornate hamlet]

I missed the part where they made the game so that there's always a staff psyker

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psyker has higher DPS in exchange for submitting to the ammo economy.
Staves maintain high damage, but it takes longer to get that damage out than just shooting bullets.

[plucky flax]

It's okay just don't use the addon.

[glossy ember]

yeah it is.
I'll still play it tho

[frigid zenith]

With a trauma blaze and gunpsyker in the same game. If the gunpsyker gets ammo they'll do around the same damage.

[plucky flax]

Play default scoreboard for inflated damage number. 🙂

[glossy ember]

no

i want real perfs

[hearty oak]

The one chad veteran with survivalist just there

[idle bay]

I remember when team Vets start pointing and saving ammo for you after they see how proper gunker with Vraks MK III leaves them jobless. Good old times

[plucky flax]

[glossy ember]

i will show that it can be as good as warpfire

(it won't)

[plucky flax]

Maybe if I play it.

But I can't I am not strong enough.

[digital narwhal]

As soon as a Gun Psyker encounters a Survivalist Vet, then they can maintain some nutty DPS

[glossy ember]

embrace trauma scrier

[plucky flax]

[glossy ember]

surge is a meme itself anyway

[plucky flax]

[frigid zenith]

Smite with revolver is my new super high damage jam.

[plucky flax]

Surge will be good again when it's fixed nextweek™.

[idle bay]

i do noticable boss damage with surge.

[hearty oak]

I would know. I was just doing exactly that today with other "staff" psykers only really getting to horde clear

[idle bay]

But i have Unyelding on my Surge....

[plucky flax]

Yeah it always does full damage on unyielding now.

But not on reaper when it hits the carapace arms.

Xd

[idle bay]

Also i'm using LBM like a LOT on Surge

[strong gulch]

It's a tasty combo.

[idle bay]

When RMB did not finish something off - it's LBM finisher then

[frigid zenith]

I haven't seen anyone else run it.

[ornate hamlet]

I used to run it before switching to assail

[plucky flax]

I still run assail revolver reminiscing about the good old day of handcannon 2s assail.

[azure bridge]

alright i give, this staff is going into the locker for now

[frigid zenith]

I came back after patch 13 came out.

[ornate hamlet]

Got a bit miffed with the game eating my inputs

[hearty oak]

Its still really strong

[plucky flax]

I know hence why I still use revolver assail.

[idle bay]

I have this... thing on my Zealot and i was using it for last few weeks and got satisfactory performance from it.. and boss damage.
I wonder how it will perform on Gunker?

[plucky flax]

0 damage taken revolver gaming

[royal granite]

what is up with people running off on their own in auric D5 and maelstrom?

[ornate hamlet]

I don't feel special running revolver anymore because everyone and their dog runs revolver now

[glossy ember]

wtf

[ornate hamlet]

Confidence or bravado

[idle bay]

Brain freeze

[ornate hamlet]

Or plastic steel

[idle bay]

Squirel!

[royal granite]

you can't do that shit in aurics, you just die

[ornate hamlet]

I run off a lot, damnation and aurics aren't consistently hard to that level

Bad players die to that

[royal granite]

had so many runs sabotaged today by the entire team going ALRIGHT GANG LETS SPLIT UP

[hearty oak]

I feel a nerf coming soon

[royal granite]

yep, they made a really hard to balance weapon

[ornate hamlet]

A cleave nerf would not be unreasonable

[spice veldt]

maybe they'll finally give cleave damage falloff to ranged weapons

[hearty oak]

I dont think that would do it. Its so good in every department, they would have to either nerf it till they figure out what to do with it, or they make a bunch of other weapons better to somewhat match its capabilities

With ammo being somewhat of a weakness on it

[quasi junco]

I saw a loot goblin

They will have to rebalance revolver if they ever want to introduce bolt pistol

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not opposed to other weapons getting more cleave

I talked a bit about it in the help chat one day

Plasma and revolver are goated

Specialists can ruin your day and your solo clutch

Elites you sprint away in a straight line

You can take some damage from ragers, maulers, gunners, whatever

Disabler specials are walking one-shots that plasma and revolver one-shot back through crowds

Not every gun needs to be able to kill specials the same way not every melee needs to kill hordes

[lunar hollow]

no pls

[hearty oak]

These are the problems of having a high critical capable hand cannon

[ornate hamlet]

But we all know it sucks ass and the match gets several times worse when that doesn't happen

[bleak tulip]

maybe theyll finally remove crit strings

[ornate hamlet]

Having one revolver is a world of difference

[hearty oak]

Sadly

[ornate hamlet]

Having one melee capable of blending hordes too

[lunar hollow]

they kneecapped them on recons

it will happen. eventually...

[bleak tulip]

maybe theyll do it on IAGs too

[ornate hamlet]

When the psyker is deleting maulers left and right with poke heavies, it's heavenly

[lunar hollow]

crits in this game are so fkin weird lol

[ornate hamlet]

Then you got Mr. Devil Claw Agri Brauto over there

[clear heath]

i wish they'd at least explain crit strings somewhere in game if they want this to be a thing.
like put in the length of crit strings as a stat you could see

[hearty oak]

Just bring day 1 bolter back. Easy

[ornate hamlet]

Carapace shows up, dude won't do shit

Range difference fucks him

At least he's really good at walking poxes tho

[hearty oak]

Wait. Was revolvers bad before traitors curse?

[ornate hamlet]

No

It has been buffed a couple patches ago

[clear heath]

was it patch 13?

[hearty oak]

I'd say this is in response to the vet getting the skill tree fucked up. The only class that should have that level of crit should be the veteran

[ornate hamlet]

People just slowly caught up to it because it's the only fucking weapon I use and they want to hog half the specials too

No

[lunar hollow]

krak grenades my beloved

[ornate hamlet]

Crit shouldn't be neutered outside of vet or better inside of it

[lunar hollow]

i have grown to enjoy shovel/lawbringer/grenade spam kraks

[ornate hamlet]

Shovel at least has uncanny

[hearty oak]

That's the problem with the revolver though. It's good in anyone's hands

[ornate hamlet]

Base damage is low for carapace, but it's something

[hearty oak]

Emperor forgive they should give the ogryn a revolver

[ornate hamlet]

I'm glad revolver is good for everyone

[clear heath]

I don't think revolver being good for every class is a "problem"

[ornate hamlet]

Means everyone can pop specials like there's no tomorrow

[clear heath]

if the class can have the weapon, they should be allowed to be good with it

or else why would it even be an option?

[hearty oak]

But wouldn't that just make class specific weapons look terrible in comparison then?

[ornate hamlet]

Class weapons aren't meant to be better

[clear heath]

why even have generic weapons in the game if you want everyone to use class specific weapons?

[lunar hollow]

the revolver is just doing too much elite killing

[clear heath]

ideally there should be pros and cons for every weapon

and different situations to use each

[lunar hollow]

part of the problem is that shotgunners are a fkin joke

[hearty oak]

They are meant to be good at something. So by having a universal weapon be better than everything in a classes kit would just make it redundant

[lunar hollow]

but u really shouldnt be nukin 2400 hp ragers with it

[ornate hamlet]

Tru

[lunar hollow]

the only buff it needed in p14 was the finesse mod, maybe, it didn't need the base damage bump and it defo didn't need the cara ADM increase considering it has hand cannon

[ornate hamlet]

Well, revolver isn't bettet at everything

It's really good at what matters most, true, but magdump is something it falls flat on real quick

[hearty oak]

The only thing it doesn't have is horde clearing

[clear heath]

"being good in every class" does not mean "better than every weapon for every class"
no one asked for it to be like that

it's fine for it to be a good weapon for everyone

[late yew]

Come one, revolver is not better than every weapon...

[ornate hamlet]

Even ragers it can struggle with because unless you one-hit them, you're changing your number of ragers killed from 5 to 2 real quick and 3 ragers are already a problem

[late yew]

It is only good for elites and some specials

that's it

[clear heath]

yeah

[hearty oak]

Yes yes, it can't shoot through walls

[clear heath]

it doesn't even really compete much with class specific weapons

[vapid lichen]

i think it's fine for a single shot gun with a slow reload to pop heads effectively

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, that's for plasma to do

[vapid lichen]

revolver would feel fucking terrible if it didn't oneshot things

[hearty oak]

fuck it, give it plasma rounds in the next patch

[clear heath]

like all our class specific weapons are very different from revolver
so i don't see where this idea that it makes class specific stuff redundant is coming from

[vapid lichen]

imagine headshotting a gunner and it lives

[late yew]

Sounds like Synthetik

[spice veldt]

remove the bullet magnetism if nothing else

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver plasma charge

Also that

The magnetism is ridiculous

Make people earn the damage

[royal granite]

the problem with the revolver is that if it doesn't do enough damage it's trash, since the ammo economy is horrible and they locked themselves into a 5 round mag with the elaborate reload animation

[vapid lichen]

what is bullet magnetism

[ornate hamlet]

The Wanted

[late yew]

I did not notice any bullet magnetism

[vapid lichen]

im assuming it is what it sounds like but still

[clear heath]

how would you guys feel if they just nerfed hand cannon?

[late yew]

at least not more than for any other weapon

[hearty oak]

Controller players would be fucked

[clear heath]

maybe it's a little silly that it kills crushers alongside all the specials and stuff it's meant to kill

[late yew]

It has only 1 use pretty much, to kill crushers... So no

[lethal folio]

The hitscan on revolver is fatter than normal

[ornate hamlet]

Give it to them specifically idk

[royal granite]

making revolver good means putting it on the knife edge of viable but not too bad to use

[vapid lichen]

this is giving me apex controller arguments trauma

[late yew]

No, it is the only gun aside from plasma that can do damage to crushers

[soft notch]

Revolver just feels like a better version of void strike to me

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not a PvP player and headshots are piss easy

[late yew]

[royal granite]

headshots in pvp and headshots in pve are very different animals

[late yew]

[ornate hamlet]

They are

[late yew]

Void is absolutely universal

[soft notch]

And void strike is just a better version of BB 😆

[late yew]

Good against everything

[royal granite]

BB really needs another buff

[late yew]

Revolver ONLY good against elites and SOME specials

[hearty oak]

Never see it enough though

[vapid lichen]

quell cancelling a void

[ornate hamlet]

But flicking is something that translates to both

[late yew]

i see you never tried EP with it

[royal granite]

they gotta get it through their heads that it's not the damage on BB that's the problem, it's the fact that it's too slow to be useful

i have

i've run it with both EP and warp charges

[lunar hollow]

i tried it again with a competent assail user

and fuck me

[late yew]

I don't know what are you talking about, it is plenty useful

[lunar hollow]

it's SO SLOW

[ornate hamlet]

You're slow

[late yew]

Assail use won't be able to kill 5 ragers

BB can easily

[lethal folio]

Yeah, assail will kill 50 of them

[late yew]

No, it won't

[lunar hollow]

assail's killcount gets a lot higher than 5, that's true

lmao

[late yew]

you need like 5 shards to kill 1

[royal granite]

anything you can do with BB you can do five times with a gun in the time it takes to charge BB

BB is a shitty gun

[ornate hamlet]

Me using my true aim EP assail on the rager crowd to flex my name on the killfeed

[lunar hollow]

all my assail builds have DD

[vapid lichen]

i like that you can jigglepeek with bb against snipers and gunners but that's kind of about it

[plain rune]

why are ppl allergic to using rmb on bb

[ornate hamlet]

Well, BB doesn't share a slot with guns

[lunar hollow]

im sendin the fuckin DRONES after these random bruisers

to get my stacks

[hearty oak]

Calling my mind a shitty gun

[lethal folio]

Historically bb right click cost more peril, and it is slower to channel and doesn't get charge speed boosts.

[spice veldt]

is it still slower nowadays?

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly playing with BB recently had me appreciating what it could do for me

[long wharf]

The funny thing is it can take 5 assail shards to kill one rager, but those same 5 shards can kill 5 ragers as well

[spice veldt]

or was it just the peril cost that was reduced

[clear heath]

does BB right click still cost more peril?

[vapid lichen]

https://youtu.be/oOGJQD0WXkk?si=ImYpWI-6ZEFl6c2v

[clear heath]

oh it got reduced?

[long wharf]

BB is still super niche

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think BB is in a bad spot

[spice veldt]

yeah it was reduced to be the same as the LMB cost

[soft notch]

Even then you get the same result with shield and it helps your entire team

[spice veldt]

but I haven't used it at all since so I don't know if they reduced the charging time on it

[royal granite]

i sometimes use BB when i want to run purge

[ornate hamlet]

I wouldn't oppose a higher base charge rate tho

[long wharf]

Trying to use it for anything other than hard to reach specials or elites is a waste of time

[spice veldt]

because if it's still 3 seconds on the RMB compared to the 2 seconds on the LMB, then rip

[late yew]

No, 3 tops

[spice veldt]

the other thing about assail is that the damage/stagger is frontloaded

[ornate hamlet]

But with EP and kinetic barrage you basically always have a faster charge

[spice veldt]

and the stagger is very respectable

[clear heath]

bb exists to cover for range and armor weaknesses of purg staff

[royal granite]

the problem is that while you can use BB just fine under optimal conditions with nothing hitting you, if something is shooting you and it's too far away to hit with purge, brain burst isn't going to help you either

[long wharf]

This is, I think, vastly underrated with assail

[spice veldt]

and you can use your other weapons while the shards are in the air, whereas you're just stuck holding out BB while it's charging

[ornate hamlet]

And if you use it more than that, at that point honestly start meleeinf

[stone yoke]

purg still feels way underwhelming, even on higher difficulties

[hearty oak]

Fatshark should be taking notes

[late yew]

Actually bad combo, assail is better with purgatus, since your main weakness is ranged enemies, and assail does that job well. I pair BB with Trauma

[spice veldt]

yeah it's pretty neat to be able to pop it into a rager patrol and shank them with your melee

[long wharf]

It staggering what it hits is fantastic for keeping a gunner line from mowing down the group

The stagger is what makes assail seem OP

[late yew]

lack of dome issue

[long wharf]

Enemies not attacking you = easy to kill, regardless of their health pool

[ornate hamlet]

If it's too far away to hit with purge, that's EXACTLY where BB will help you tho

[royal granite]

yeah let me just stand there and charge bb while i'm getting shot in the head

[vapid lichen]

i have a revolver/knife/assail/DD build and i really like it but assail does most of the work 💀

[ornate hamlet]

If it's shooting, take cover

Jesus

[late yew]

No, better take assail

[spice veldt]

if nothing else, BB is especially range-invariant

[clear heath]

you are aware you can dodge while charging right?

[late yew]

you know you don't ha ve to keep eye contact, right

You can start charging it and hide

[clear heath]

by that logic everything sucks cause you can get shot while using it

[royal granite]

if i have a gun i can simply shoot back immediately

[ornate hamlet]

I semi-pefected the art of point blank BB on crusher crowds long ago

[royal granite]

and you can't always get into cover

[late yew]

you can not just dodge, you can run away on different fuckn server and still kill your target, you only need to spot it for 0.1 second to start charging

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, the gun is faster if you can fire it fast

[royal granite]

and you don't always have the dome available

[late yew]

skissue

[royal granite]

if you're running BB with EP then you won't have 100% uptime on the dome will you

[ornate hamlet]

Try shooting a gunner at long distance with a revolver when it's suppressing you

[vapid lichen]

me when i dont have dome because i took fire shriek

[hearty oak]

I came to this chat to get advice on which sword to use and i never asked

[late yew]

Dome is borderline mandatory on auric

[ornate hamlet]

BB has good uses and it works at what it sets out to do

[glossy ember]

nah

[late yew]

unless everyone in your team is really good

[ornate hamlet]

Fuck dome

[late yew]

Fuck you

[soft notch]

Dome is too good

[royal granite]

i like changing up my build sometimes

[clear heath]

dome is lame

[royal granite]

dome all the time gets boring

[hearty oak]

Just dodge bullets

[clear heath]

just dodge smh

[late yew]

You are lame

[lunar hollow]

da hell

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker taught people so many shitty habits the recent updates

[lunar hollow]

most domes i see are put in stupid spots

and aint even doing anything

[soft notch]

I feel like I’m gimping my team by not taking it

[vapid lichen]

dome is so fucking poggers on darkness or fog

[ornate hamlet]

Turtling, smiting

[hearty oak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mask-dodge-gif-22809594

[spice veldt]

and aiming a gun as you spam dodges is not the easiest

[royal granite]

although i will say, twitch doming to save a teammate from a sniper shot feels better than sex

[glossy ember]

how do you win auric games without a psyker on your team then

[clear heath]

i run outside the domes just to send a message

domes are for the weak

[late yew]

Unlock skill point "Reading comprehension"

I said BORDERLINE

[spice veldt]

i run outside domes cuz psykers don't put them forward enough

[late yew]

Not "mandatory"

"borderline mandatory"

big diff

[vapid lichen]

ive been a support main for years and the number of bad domes i see is ridiculous

[ornate hamlet]

I have the best solution to people to spam dome and smite in my matches

[glossy ember]

that sounds very close to mandatory

[late yew]

it is

very close that is

But is not

[ornate hamlet]

I hold W, tap sprint and kill the enemy that made them go drama queen

[vapid lichen]

a lot of people just put it wherever they want and never use it to take or hold space

[glossy ember]

right so no dome is cool

[late yew]

... and die from 5 reapers and 12 gunners

[lethal folio]

Can't do interesting things with bubble since the range is so short.

[vapid lichen]

tbf that many gunners would break the dome too

[clear heath]

i wish more people would just put the domes in front of the team to get people moving

[royal granite]

that's what i like to do

[ornate hamlet]

Provided I'm an idiot that doesn't know where to go

[late yew]

This is why you sprint forward to put it on enemy faces

[glossy ember]

can still do pretty cool stuff with height

[clear heath]

i hate when people put down a dome on the spot and it just ends up making the team sit still for like the entire duration

[royal granite]

although sometimes you have to fall back, in which case it's better to have the dome on top of the team so enemy shooters advance into it and still can't shoot you

[lunar hollow]

i like the shield with special stun way more than dome

[hearty oak]

But have you tried putting the shield ON the enemy?

[late yew]

Yes

Why

[ornate hamlet]

People are so passive in matches and get in trouble because they keep shitting their pants expecting someone to save them

[late yew]

non-auric issue

I see way more competent people on average on auric

[hearty oak]

Instead of in front of them. Just on top of them. Capture them like pokemon

[late yew]

in fact, i am so used to it, i expect way too much teamwork from people when i want to relax in non-auric mission...

[ornate hamlet]

Aaaa the gunner is shooting me, I need to put 2 domes and plink them with my columnus from across the map

[royal granite]

my main problems right now is people falling back when they shouldn't and idiots running off on their own to get killed

[vapid lichen]

teams that dont push and then the match takes 40 minutes lmfao

[late yew]

gunker

cringe

[ornate hamlet]

Like, I'm the first to admit I play aggressively to a fault

[royal granite]

a bunch of games today i have found the team split in half because two people ran BACKWARDS to melee or shoot the poxwalker horde

[azure bridge]

hi intensity is no joke

[hearty oak]

chad gunkers

[azure bridge]

i cannot beileve we finished that

[ornate hamlet]

But my success rate with my rush bullshit is so much higher than people with their thumbs up their asses

[royal granite]

i like a slow and steady advance

[ornate hamlet]

I take action and pray it works, they don't take any

[tawdry pasture]

rushing sucks if a teammember isn't built to sprint

you are a problem if you rush alone

end of

[ornate hamlet]

Everyone is built to sprint

They have a shift key

[clear heath]

if you have sprint key bound, you are built to sprint

[tawdry pasture]

sprint efficiency exists

kick rocks

[late yew]

I don't run backwards, but i wait for horde to come to me. Push forward in such situation is stupidity - you may trigger patrol, or even boss

never push during horde

[ornate hamlet]

The more people jump into the gunner pack, the better

[royal granite]

the only time i fall back is to help a teammate or in the type of situation where you can either move back or die, like when monsters target you in tight quarters

[ornate hamlet]

Spread chaos, give the enemy no time to breathe

[lunar hollow]

i p much always play aggressively until something forces me to stop like an elite wave

cuz a horde aint doing shit to you

[ornate hamlet]

Start fast and end faster

[lunar hollow]

poxwalkers are fodder for scoreboard and toughness regen

[royal granite]

you can kill a horde and a monster at the same time, but you can't do that if the party is split up

[ornate hamlet]

Exactly

[tawdry pasture]

If i didn't purge the level of every non spawned heretic the level was a throw

[lunar hollow]

theyre not hard to fight, theyre space restrictors

[ornate hamlet]

Keep the momentum until you hit a bulwark wall or something

[lunar hollow]

and with the ai director on auric theres like 30 secs between hordes it feels like

so u just keep moving until it throws some sort of tar pit in the form of 30k+ hp

[vapid lichen]

ye the only real purpose poxes serve is to restrict ur movement

[lunar hollow]

cuz obvs once u find an elite pack u sit there and fight it

[royal granite]

monsters are the most dangerous with the shock gauntlet modifier where you can have like 3 snipers and 50 gunners backing it up

[lunar hollow]

but people have way too much downtime thinkin theyre a hero

[clear heath]

the real purpose of poxwalkers is to feed you toughness

[lunar hollow]

fighting specials in the back

that are spawning because theyre 30m out of coherency

fighting said specials

[ornate hamlet]

Me when the tactical lone poxwalker placement to block my dodge slide

[lunar hollow]

ive just accepted that

it happens

[late yew]

You can, but you should not, too risky on auric

[lunar hollow]

it has lead me to being much more at peace with staggering trappers instead of dodging (depending on weapon)

[ornate hamlet]

Fucking guy was an SAS operative before infection

[tawdry pasture]

yes i love chasing an ogryn that slips and falls every two seconds but built to survive

[royal granite]

if the entire group is moving cohesively then it's not a risk

[tawdry pasture]

youre so helping the team bud

whatever headcanon works

[ornate hamlet]

Also that

[royal granite]

poxwalkers are a real-ass threat when you're alone for that exact reason

[late yew]

I remember one good advice from some VT2 guide

[ornate hamlet]

With my dueling build, poxwalkers became my assail toughness regen

[royal granite]

"hah, a trapper? i will simply dodg- WHAT?"

[late yew]

4 team members doing 1 wrong thing together is better, than 4 team members each doing correct thing separately

[late yew]

I keep getting caught by trappers hiding in hordes and especially behind flames since i enabled bloom

But game is so much prettier with it

[ornate hamlet]

I go with my homies and when I split I do whatever I need as fast as possible

[royal granite]

i will never turn off bloom

[lunar hollow]

someone has to get plasteel

[ornate hamlet]

Knife vet with movement aura

I'm a fucking menace

[royal granite]

to be clear, when i complain about people running off alone, i don't mean someone splitting off briefly to check side rooms for plasteel, i do that shit myself all the time

i mean when someone fully runs a room or two ahead of the rest of the group

[lunar hollow]

i run movespeed aura now for the 10% melee damage node and agile engagement lol

[ornate hamlet]

Pussy, I run the aura for the aura

[lunar hollow]

i wish damage aura had those nodes

but alas

[tawdry pasture]

the ogryn i'm bitching about was soloing with their bulwark, but also pulling every horde and ditching without finishing leaving 2 pyskers and a vet to clean up or follow their pulls and get instachipped

[ornate hamlet]

How about I engage you displaying agility

[vapid lichen]

holy

[royal granite]

one of the worst things i see is ogryns who just do a heavy melee attack and assume whatever they hit just died, then move on

[tawdry pasture]

he slipped and fell near the end of the level, and me hunkering at the start with purgatus (the other 2 humans died because of his pulls) kept me alive on dif 5 and i clutch saved the round from thanos the ogryn killing himself after going too fast

what a story

[vapid lichen]

i need agile engagement with weapons specialist, it's too good

[ornate hamlet]

Knife revolver stealth vet is like the most goated build i have rn

[lunar hollow]

weapon specialist is fucking CRACK dude

i cant stop using it on vet

[royal granite]

shouts out to stealth vets

[tawdry pasture]

the moral of the story is: coherency, you fat idiot

[royal granite]

revive saints

[vapid lichen]

revolver with weapons specialist has my fucking heart

[lunar hollow]

revolver/lawbringer

[vapid lichen]

so much fun

[lunar hollow]

u get up to some funny stuff with flechette+manstopper w/ guaranteed crit

[ornate hamlet]

Using a shot on a single poxwalker to get free melee attack speed

Wepspec marriage

[royal granite]

i don't know why more people don't run stealth, it has so much potential to save a run from dying

[lunar hollow]

don't forget dodge speed/dist

which is p helpful for psword

[ornate hamlet]

Because dodge is "hnnnng selfish vet!!!!!!!"

[soft notch]

How’s laspistol on elites and specials?

[lunar hollow]

good on anything that isn't a crusher

one of the best weapons in the game rn

[vapid lichen]

some people get so mad at anyone that runs stealth

[lunar hollow]

right side psyker with scriers/DD has huge synergy with laspistol

[royal granite]

what why

[ornate hamlet]

Click heads and laspistol giveth

[soft notch]

Ty josho

[hearty oak]

If revolver wasnt so good, i would be using it more

[royal granite]

why this, i mean

[ornate hamlet]

Some people can't fight without the shout toughness

[soft notch]

Revolver is getting a little boring for me so I wanted to switch xD

[ornate hamlet]

I don't even use iron will and frontline crushers with a knife

[royal granite]

isn't the shout kinda broken right now? i heard something about vets being able to spam it

[lunar hollow]

ive wanted a shout since it was datamined

it just makes me feel cool

[vapid lichen]

i kinda get it
some people think it's selfish and dropping aggro with stealth can endanger ur teammates
it can save situations but if u ran shout then maybe they wouldnt have gone down in the first place
it kinda makes sense

[ornate hamlet]

Same

I loved merc in VT2

[hearty oak]

I use it to get me the weapons i want

[ornate hamlet]

It's why I call it the Kruber shout here

[royal granite]

shouting is fun enough

[lunar hollow]

the shout just enables u to play more aggressively

[clear heath]

shout is just so strong

[royal granite]

i really hope they give vet a minion subclass or something

[ornate hamlet]

Shouting is equally goated

[royal granite]

they pulled it off with sienna

[clear heath]

it's like half the reason i play vet when i do

[ornate hamlet]

It's just easier to capitalize on

[hearty oak]

When the fighting is intense and you hear WE AINT DONE YET

[ornate hamlet]

Stealth needs a player with the Rainbow Six mindset

[lunar hollow]

i dont have enough runs enter the "such catastrophic failure only stealth can save it" zone

[ornate hamlet]

TEAR THE KARKERS TO PIECES

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/4bjztf

[lunar hollow]

GRIND THEM DOWN

i love the male lc shout lines

he sounds so fucking mad

[royal granite]

stealth lets you reposition to obliterate something that needs oblitering, which is very good, and it lets you simply walk up and revive someone which is even better

[clear heath]

stealth has some nice utility sometimes. it's not bad

[lunar hollow]

i would let him do bad things to me

[ornate hamlet]

Stealth also suppresses

[tawdry pasture]

vet with crouch snipe gameplay
2x psyker diff bubbles
??

this team has potential

[ornate hamlet]

It's something people forget

[royal granite]

and it gives you a way out if you fuck up and put yourself in a really bad position

[ornate hamlet]

Vet doing the KF2 sharpshooter build

[royal granite]

KF2? kingdom farts?

killing floor?

[late yew]

average ogryn main

as i keep saying

Ogryn players are irl ogryns

[late yew]

i fuckn hate KF2 headshot mechanics

[tawdry pasture]

its true

[vernal rock]

hadron did good to me today

[late yew]

basically makes half classes playing AGAINST another half

[royal granite]

i don't understand terrifying barrage on purgatus

[vernal rock]

make them all stop so you can keep lighting them on fire

[royal granite]

terrifying barrage is already bad since melee enemies are immune to suppression and ranged enemies switch to melee when you get close enough

[vapid lichen]

wait does terrifying barrage have to be a kill from direct damage from the staff to work lmfao

[late yew]

Actually i think suppresion does work?

[royal granite]

but purgatus already suppresses anything that can be suppressed by it

[vernal rock]

It does

[late yew]

They just kinda stand still for afew seconds

but yeah, it is useless for the most part

probably

don't think i ever actually tried running it lmao

[lunar hollow]

suppression works on groaners

[royal granite]

i think the suppression mechanic needs some kind of overhaul in general, i literally never see anyone use it intentionally

[lunar hollow]

beyond that melee enemies don't really get suppressed

[azure bridge]

anyone have some thoughts on Kinetic Resoneace?

[lunar hollow]

suppression should probs make melee enemies slow down a lil or something

[vapid lichen]

i think gun ogryns use suppression

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, things stealth does:

• Drops aggro from you
• Replenishes ALL your toughness
• Increases movement speed
• Lasts almost 3x more than base zealot stealth
• Suppresses enemies around you on reveal forcing them to stop doing everything and cower even after you exposed yourself

What you can make it do:

• TWO fucking charges
• 30% damage for 5s and 15%(10?) for 10s
• Toughness damage reduction, because a full regen is not enough
• Minus 90% aggro to farm backstabs and raking fire

[late yew]

I do sometimes, to reduce amount of fire from shooters

[ornate hamlet]

Stealth is a swiss army knife

Fuck whoever disses it

[orchid shadow]

It could use some tweaks, but I use suppression quite often. Especailly on teams comps with limited range

[ornate hamlet]

It has so much utility

[vapid lichen]

yeah but imagine having the talent points for all that

[mortal marsh]

Need opinions. Current Voidstrike I have atm is Carapace (refined), Flak, 3 Warp Flurry and 3 Transfer Peril. Should I swap the Flak to Maniac or should I put Nexus instead of Transfer Peril?

[bright mica]

It's fine as is. You can suppress enemies if you miss and killing enemies will suppress those nearby.

[ornate hamlet]

Tbh all you need is 2

Base and 2 charges

[vapid lichen]

charges is the best one yeah

[orchid shadow]

It's very easy to send a few well placed LMB bolts into nest of shooters to send them behind cover.

[royal granite]

i'd like it if less things were immune to it

[vapid lichen]

i really like -90% aggro too

[ornate hamlet]

I'm tempted to see how left tree goes with it

I think the weakspot on ability thing works for melee?

I'm at the hospital now, so I can't check

[bright mica]

I like to just use the 90% aggro one, with enough elite kills you can remain "semi invisible" permanently

[ornate hamlet]

But like

[royal granite]

you ok?

[ornate hamlet]

Nah, it's my sister

Gotta take turns watching her

[royal granite]

ah

[ornate hamlet]

24h requirement

[royal granite]

damn

hopefully she gets better

soon*

[ornate hamlet]

I'm stuck here for idfk at least 3 more hours

Same tbh

She has these random episodes and breaks down crying

Tried to hit her head on the wall a couple times too

[tawdry pasture]

psykers

[ornate hamlet]

Amirite

[royal granite]

hate it when the human brain tries to be funny like that

[ornate hamlet]

Anyway uh

New goal for the night

[royal granite]

videogames huh

how about those

[ornate hamlet]

Left tree bottom knife revolver

I'll take melee crit and finesse at least

From the right

I remember trying deadshot with the melee stamina mod for the keystone

@lunar hollow which is good advice

[royal granite]

well, back to the auric mines

[ornate hamlet]

It works great

[royal granite]

i wish you all good runs and sane teammates

[ornate hamlet]

I wil be the unhinged teammate

I will be the glue that holds them together and sniff myself

[strong gulch]

Regular damnation and I barely used creeping flames. Revolver is like cheating for specials.

[ornate hamlet]

It is

It's disgusting

[tawdry pasture]

im so mean i said to the teammate on drg "nice throw" when they didnt check for supplies before starting obj

[ornate hamlet]

Vro

[tawdry pasture]

they were like"we tried thats whats important" my neutral ass like "ok"

[ornate hamlet]

I just do a quickchat thanks if they blow up a barrel

[strong gulch]

Revolver is the only gun I've ever vibed with. So it was my one gun build pre talent and rending changes. Now it's silly.

[ornate hamlet]

I remember being very vocal about revolver bodyshot breakpoints

And how much I hated arm multipliers

[strong gulch]

🥲

[solar sand]

pick up for slaughter 4?

[smoky turtle]

Yeah why not

What else you gonna spend melkbux on

[solar sand]

power cycler 4 (i fucking wish)

[smoky turtle]

If only

[ornate hamlet]

Blaze away 4

Forever elusive

[cerulean pollen]

What is soulblaze? is that the grenade or the ultimate?

[ornate hamlet]

Blue fire

[waxen abyss]

Curio farming I guess

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker-only

[smoky turtle]

Honestly though that roll is usable in itself too
First target isn't great but both blessings are good and everything else is good
So you can swap the perks and whammo

[sacred crane]

I feel bad for seer voice, the guy seems like he doesnt even wanna kill people, especially dogs

[smoky turtle]

Seers are so nice

[cerulean pollen]

So only the flamethrower staff?

[ornate hamlet]

Let's be glad it's not real

Purgatus, blazing spirit blessing (trauma, void, force swords) and certain talent nodes

[cerulean pollen]

Im thinking this skill, what activate soulblaze?

[smoky turtle]

Anything with blue fire

[ornate hamlet]

Check the bottom right mod for shriek too

[hearty oak]

One above for killing elites

[sacred crane]

Seers who know
Seers who dont know

[smoky turtle]

Why does a dream hurt

[stone yoke]

purgatus, smite can i think, and some blessings

[sacred crane]

"Poor dog"

[hearty oak]

OH splendid day! The trapper is dead!

[sacred crane]

"I'm covered in blood and I don't like it!"

[smoky turtle]

ngl the voice interaction where the seer is like "beloved I can't hear you speak up :(((" and immediately the Zealot chimes in "LMAO EVEN THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD ABANDON YOU"
like damn dude really wtf, that's brutal

[ornate hamlet]

My Beloved would be very cross with you

[sacred crane]

I wish i could change my psyker voice to seer, but now I resorted to leveling up a new psyker

[waxen abyss]

I like the one where the loner asks the seer to tell his beloved to speak loud enough so everyone can hear

[heavy wigeon]

And is your beloved in the room with us right now?

[waxen abyss]

[hearty oak]

Which force sword would be better to use?

[ornate hamlet]

Changing voice without giving up 30 levels and an arsenal of weapons would be lovely

[sacred crane]

Never heard that one despite using loner

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi

[waxen abyss]

Everyone be talking about illisi

[cerulean pollen]

Is this not just use the ability when at 100% peril? or am I missing something?

[sacred crane]

100k ordo to change voice

[waxen abyss]

That’s vent.

[spice veldt]

use it when you're in the suicide animation

[ornate hamlet]

It's when you're about to blow up

[smoky turtle]

you have to use your peril like a gorilla until you explode then vent to stop death

[ornate hamlet]

Animation included

[waxen abyss]

And yeah use it when you’re about to blow up

[smoky turtle]

Stupid penance

[hearty oak]

Use vent when you are overloading and you will survive

[waxen abyss]

At least you don’t have to do it more than 50 times lol

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine 51 EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[smoky turtle]

"what if we made a penance that required you to be in a situation that every sane player with good peril management will never see?"
"Yes, excellent"

• Fatshark, probably

[sacred crane]

Has anyone ever used scrier's gaze?

[spice veldt]

I farmer the penance in a sedition game and ended up not even liking the helmets

[ornate hamlet]

No

[waxen abyss]

Yeah I love scriers gaze with columnus gun

[cedar wren]

If I swap out the block efficiency could I also change a blessing?

[smoky turtle]

astigmatism simulator

[cerulean pollen]

Is it impossible to blow myself up from the smite? When I reach 100% it just auto vents?

[sacred crane]

Nope

Yes

I MEAN YES

[smoky turtle]

Also no, you can't
That would be two changes which is the max

[sacred crane]

YOU CANT BLOW UP FROM UR GRENADE SLOT OR WHATEVER

[waxen abyss]

Better to just roll a new blade imo

[sacred crane]

You can only do it with force swords and staffs

[smoky turtle]

that's a lie

[spice veldt]

you can

[cedar wren]

Thanks

[spice veldt]

only smite has this

[cerulean pollen]

Which one of the staffs was it that charge a ball of lightning?

[sacred crane]

wait wah-

[smoky turtle]

Pretty sure you can still die with smite too

But absolutely with BB

[spice veldt]

they added it specifically for smite's LMB, probably because play testers constantly died from it

[sacred crane]

Whenever I reach 100% smite, my guy refuses to use it

[spice veldt]

you can die with smite's rmb

[smoky turtle]

Interesting that they disabled the LMB at max peril
Like training wheels lmao

[sacred crane]

Because it builds so fast

[ornate hamlet]

And it's the part nobody uses

Everyone's too busy charging it

[smoky turtle]

It would be more consistent to just disable it at 100%
And then if you use it again, you die
That's how everything else works more or less
It functions, if it goes over 100% during the use fine, next use kills

[sacred crane]

Charged smite is when its really useful, the lmb is just for emergency

[smoky turtle]

Alternatively you could just disable all peril generating actions when at max and make suicide impossible
ngl I'm surprised nobody has made a mod for that

[spice veldt]

I'm pretty sure that assail also has a mild leniency mechanic in the form that a queued shard will be cancelled if it would kill you

[smoky turtle]

Would be neat if true

[sacred crane]

Bleh, assail users

[smoky turtle]

BB for life fite me

[native plover]

Hey siblings, emperor gave me this, What'd you guys change?

[rigid rune]

if only BB had some AOE or way to chain it to other specials it would be really fun

[spice veldt]

I've had more than a lifetime with BB and I don't want become zealot's stun nade

[spice veldt]

too bad they removed this in patch 13

[smoky turtle]

Swap run and gun and I'd use that all the way into auric

[sacred crane]

Run n gun to warp flury, unyeilding to caparce or maniac

[smoky turtle]

Nah unyielding is good for boss damage

[sacred crane]

Unyield deez nuts

[rigid rune]

a sacrifice worthy of smite/assasil tbh

[smoky turtle]

Don't mind if I do

[native plover]

True and honestly boss damage is what i personally feel i miss when using staffs

[spice veldt]

we still have it in the form of perilous combustion, so I'd just remove perilous combustion and turn it back into wrack & ruin

I'm fine with AoE DoTs, and it needs some extra oomph

[rigid rune]

why not just add it back as a third choice?

[spice veldt]

esp if they're going to keep BB as slow as it is

[spice veldt]

because flayer is boring and perilous combustion is a hard-to-balance feat

[fresh reef]

imagine if we got WR back and they made it work on bosses

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion is a talent that needs to be killed

what better way to do it than to just revert it back to W&R

and to finally kill off kinetic flayer at the same time

[rigid rune]

maybe make is supress/stun ranged in a a large area around the target?

[spice veldt]

no one cares about suppression, because it only affects a certain group of melee enemies and ranged enemies are a non issue

[sacred crane]

Mind in motion my beloved

[rigid rune]

to make up for large charge time against many specials?

would make it good against sniper waves

[spice veldt]

Soulblaze is also good against them

BB is already fine for that anyways

no need to make it even nicher

[sacred crane]

Me using surge as a faster BB

[static needle]

keep flak dmg or change to crit chance?

[rigid rune]

is the surge blessing new?

[harsh urchin]

Your staff is better as a noncrit transfer peril one

[spice veldt]

it's been in the game but it's rare because it's t4-only

[harsh urchin]

Since you dont have nexus

[smoky turtle]

honestly in that scenario I'd change surge rather than the perk
But if you want to lean whole hog into crit then yeah try it out and compare

[harsh urchin]

And thus its ass

[static needle]

huh

[harsh urchin]

Surge without nexus pretty much has half the crit

[static needle]

My friend says he prefers warp flurry cause of the fact that you can shoot more charged shots per volley and more pressure. You dont need to instantly get the crit chance. This is also better for killing gunners since it charges more quickly

[harsh urchin]

If you want to spam shots more youre better off with transfer peril

Especially if you just want to "pressure"

Surge really wants you to go all in on the crit

[static needle]

does it tho? the crit doesnt have to hit as often as a normal crit damage

as long as it hits in an engagement once or twice its still veeery useful

[harsh urchin]

Cuz having a 40% chance to instakill anything is significantly better than having like a 20% chance

I mean do what you want

Listen to ur friend then lol

[static needle]

yes but being able to pressure enemies in a tense situation is more useful overall since u can keep the big guys away while also dealing with lesser enemies

dontcha think?

[harsh urchin]

Uh no because you can do the same with nexus lol

[static needle]

how so?

dont u always wanna charge ur shots for dealing with gunners?