psyker-class

[sonic coral]

Or yea, PC

[glossy ember]

i personally don't use PC

[sonic coral]

I always confuse it with wildfire

[glossy ember]

not enough points

[thorn cedar]

imo you have to take it lmao

i consider it that good

[sonic coral]

PC isn't as good as it used to be but it's still incredible

[thorn cedar]

my trees all have two permanent fixtures

[sonic coral]

on hi shock dam it's indispensable

[thorn cedar]

Perilous Combustion
One With The Warp

[sonic coral]

You don't NEED it but, man

it's wicked

[thorn cedar]

Everything I build gets those two nodes.

[eager mantle]

Like fatshark has to know having the same charge for the same result for a poxwalker vs gunner feels like ass.

[thorn cedar]

I consider them mandatory.

[sonic coral]

While I agree with the general sentiment, I honestly do not want fatshark to touch it because it's functional and they WILL fuck it up if they try to do something clever with it

[thorn cedar]

Leaning into what it does now, and being considerate of the current tree

[sonic coral]

I know that's just paranoia but yea

[thorn cedar]

Fuck hold on I'm super stoned. Let me word this right.

[eager mantle]

"Addressing unintended bug of BB giving enemy carapace armor"

[untold niche]

wait if you need 6 stacks to insta kill trash
is that really useful :v

a5histg, its not like you can kill the crusher /rager horde SOLO everytime

[glossy ember]

can't

legit no point

[thorn cedar]

EP only triggers on Elites, and Brainburst is something that is only good against Elites AND Specials. And I think it's kind of painful in that regard that you 'lose' EP stacks when killing specials with it, and that sort of means you 'need' (not really but it super helps) the 3 stacks mod for EP

[sonic coral]

you have to consider that all your abilities effect sb as well, and because you're killing packs of elites (ideally multiples in under a second, at times), all that stuff stacks, especially if you take vent

[thorn cedar]

So I'd love a super weird conditional node attached to BB that activates with EP selected that lets you gain EP on Special kills

[glossy ember]

only thing i could sacrifice is warp speed from scrier but that's a no no because I'd be butt naked during scrier since i don't even have toughness damage reduction

[thorn cedar]

thats kinda why u gotta

[untold niche]

what is sb what is vent :P

[thorn cedar]

also i personally ditched the scriers move speed cause DD gives you the same amount

[sonic coral]

soulblaze, vent is an ult with a subnode that lets you apply up to 6 stacks of soulblaze to enemies in a ridiculous aoe attack

[thorn cedar]

but if you arent using DD, ye keep using it

that level of zoom is awesome

[glossy ember]

I don't use DD

[thorn cedar]

you really are one with the wARPspeed

haaaaa

ha

[eager mantle]

DD only reason I was able to keep up in a match with 3 knife zealots

[glossy ember]

ok i TECHNICALLY could but there's better options

[sonic coral]

and what I mean by "other stuff affects soulblaze" is things like the blessing uncanny on say, a mk 4 dueling sword applies to your soul blaze ticks when you attack enemies. Stack up that rending and peril, both will buff your damage if you have connected abilities

[glossy ember]

such as 5% cdr on elite kill, kinetic deflection, or toughness on scrier

or malefic momentum

[sonic coral]

Then the compounding soul blaze of just killing more elites in combat, and auto +6 stacks from a vent, or +3 stacks from fire trauma...

[untold niche]

wait i cant find vent :v

[glossy ember]

i default to malefic momentum

but i'm experimenting with CDR these days

[glossy ember]

oops wrong scrier node

I'm supposed to take -20% peril generation

[sonic coral]

and the creeping flames subnode

[thorn cedar]

i would do pc over battle med

[glossy ember]

nah i need any quelling i can get my hands on

this is a surge staff build

[thorn cedar]

no transfer peril yet eh

[fresh reef]

updated the build for this thing

[glossy ember]

there is no transfer peril on surge staff.

[static needle]

What perk is good on laspistol besides flak? i already got it on the roll. Maybe crit chance?

[thorn cedar]

oh whoops surge

well y dont u make one

code it

[fresh reef]

opted for more consistent replenishment over having 200 toughness

[thorn cedar]

insert it into the game

[glossy ember]

ok brb lemme do that

see u in uh

6 months ?

[thorn cedar]

thats pretty realistic

[glossy ember]

[long wharf]

if FartShack were to do it, it'd take about a day

[glossy ember]

based

i'd replace carapace with unarmoured for now

[long wharf]

just add to the blessing list/array for the surge staff

[fresh reef]

why unarmoured?

[glossy ember]

to reliably one shot shotgunners

[fresh reef]

ehh, I dunno

[thorn cedar]

yea unarmored is actually still pretty ideal

[glossy ember]

it's a big diff in consistancy

until they fix the staff

[fresh reef]

I can already tank a shotgun shot before my toughness breaks, and having a lot more damage on crushers is nice

[glossy ember]

currently it's also more damage on bulwark reaper and mauler to take carapace

cuz armor roulette

[thorn cedar]

two charge to one charge is a big ol diff and it applies to a lot of stuff

[fresh reef]

bulwarks have carapace on their limbs?

whar?

[thorn cedar]

none of them feel big or threatening like a Crusher but still

[glossy ember]

yea

arm

[fresh reef]

arm (singular)

please don't tell me surge is targeting the shield for damage

[sonic coral]

here are two sample builds, neither of which you'd use with an actual purg staff, but which abuse enemies with the soulblaze economy. Bring a melee weapon with uncanny on it, for the first build in particular you would benefit from a voidstrike stave with surge and warp nexus. Play loop for #1 would be build peril until horde shows up or shit otherwise hits the fan, vent, use reduced cooldown BB to pop all the important looking fellas as quick as possible, swap to rending melee (presumably they've reached you by now) and stab heads or alternatively whip out voidstrike to start bumping peril again (especially since build #1 has CDR on elite kills, you can have another vent ready to go by the time they get there)

Second one I was using with dual non-warp weapons laspistol and saber, using assail as a lever for peril, but post-patch knives don't regen fast enough so it's probably beneficial to bring an illisi or deimos to crank peril in a pinch (which you'll presumably have out already if you've run out of knives)

Scrier is once again the best ult if you want dual non-warp weapons, but with #2 above you get that tasty tasty creeping flames on top of your assail / dumdum abuse / bottom right crit and finesse bonuses

[ornate hamlet]

Make yourself a psyker called Dogg and only make fire builds

Blaze every soul you see

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-morph-dog-gif-10281808

[sonic coral]

I haven't used purg in a while tbh, seems to complement shields nicely though

[untold niche]

i jsut want to be able to 1vX crushers and ragers, and 1 tap crushers
I don't mind having shit boss clear or not super strong horde clear

[glossy ember]

the first few ticks always do

and push the shield away

if you blitz cancel tho you do 0 damage

[sonic coral]

mk 4 will chew crushers and ragers. Soulblaze alone will chew through crushers especially if you get them on fire, and then stab heads - either theirs, or anyone's. Like I said, uncanny strike affects soulblaze stacks/ticks/damage

[untold niche]

but with ds mk4 its hard to 1v6 ragers no :v

[sonic coral]

With a sword and a can-do attitude you will melt a double horde and have room left to eat a monstrosity that's been chasing your teammates

[sonic coral]

not really no, dodge+circle. Your builds should include the "block using peril" node too in case you get in deep or are caught with your pants not only down but all the way off.

[untold niche]

but they have more range than you, so you gonna get hit either way

[sonic coral]

If it's a full patrol it's still doable, but the better option at that point is to block and build peril and vent - or lacking that, use an AOE to stagger them and reposition

[languid tusk]

rager pack = back off and shoot them

no point trying to outmelee 6 melee specialist enemies

[untold niche]

and tbh in that case it sounds very similar to my current zealot build of crusher + revolvo anyway

[sonic coral]

you have to either move in close for ragers, where their shorter range attacks are dodgeable, OR you time your dodges in and out to be between their attacks (so they slice you move back, then back in and stab, then back out before they swing)

In reality it's more of a side to side slightly convex curve to the dodge pattern you'd want to use - imagine the surface of a contact lens, with the focal point being where you'd stab the rager in between dodges

Anyway, practice makes perfect

the range on the dueling sabers are p good though

[sonic coral]

this is really the most straightforward answer though

[untold niche]

how do you stagger crushers 1v6 then?

[sonic coral]

especially if you run trauma or voidstrike

[untold niche]

or just dodge all the way :v

[languid tusk]

trauma staff

[sonic coral]

stab them in the head

literally

[untold niche]

then yeah gamepaly loop just sounds so much like my current zealot lol

Shoot ragers if more than 3
Stagger crusher, hit 2 times, move back.

[sonic coral]

uncanny strike with riposte on mk 4 dueling sword is absolutely disgusting, especially when the entire crowd of enemies has been doused in soulblaze

[untold niche]

i swapped to psyker so i could absolutely destroy crushers and ragers

[sonic coral]

in that case use voidstrike with surge and warp nexus with the first build I put up above

your enhanced BB + EP will melt crowds and spread soulblaze, your staff will absolutely wreck clusters of maniacs and crushers, and the nodes to the bottom right guarantee you will be getting crazy crit damage AND guarantee proccing surge on your voidstrike if you get into melee or just keep shooting hordes at eye level.

Mixed horde or not, it will vanish before your very eyes

And of course, vent to buy yourself space and spread more glorious flame

If you mean specifically in melee, you can do that too - like I said, mk 4

[untold niche]

can you make a new image so sorry :p

[untold niche]

can staff 1 tap crusher?

[sonic coral]

it "can," yes, depending on if you proc surge and what your peril looks like, etc.

[languid tusk]

hey while we are on the subject of dodge patterns, did you know chaos spawn can be baited into easy mode if you move close and to the right ? https://streamable.com/6e5wsq

[sonic coral]

I'm not sure what this obsession with "1 tap" is but it seems very silly

[sonic coral]

I did but I actually only found this out completely by accident in a situation I should have actually died in lol

[untold niche]

sorry what is surge again

[sonic coral]

I thought it was a bug at first

[sonic coral]

a blessing on voidstrike

[languid tusk]

when you are close enough to touch the spawn, the spawn gets uncomfortable and starts spamming single slam attack

very easy to dodge Xd

[sonic coral]

ew dont touch me dont touch me

[untold niche]

lower ttk :v
sometimes with everything i just need to delete some stuff fast

[fluid knot]

Oh thats interesting Gonna have to learn this

[sonic coral]

Well, TTK is definitely different than 1-tap. Not everything is a hammer, and once again I direct back to the dueling saber for a crusher or rager or whatever. Hordes you will melt like ice cream at an arizona fair, but that's not really a TTK consideration but one of volume

You're taking several seconds to charge and potentially build up an auto crit, but then you kill like 10 ragers and 3 crushers with one blast

Again, assuming voidstrike

In any case, I'd suggest attempting the build and playstyle I've detailed above and see if it works for you. It's incredibly effective, don't count out mechanics for a class until you gain sufficient understanding of them

(and again, the build I listed gives you enhanced BB + EP, which will essentially insta-pop 3/4's of the elites/specials you run into in a fraction of the time after you ult at high peril to begin softening the horde up - you may not even need to take out your weapon in many cases)

[languid tusk]

when the conditions are right, surge voidstrike is the most powerful psyker weapon

personally I prefer trauma, it's easier to use it in suboptimal conditions

[sonic coral]

THe skill comes in knowing what those conditions are and how to engineer them when possible, and when to cut your voidstrike and use other options. I definitely prefer trauma for its flexibility (plus lmb on it tears ass, so) in hordes, but if I think mixed hordes are going to be an issue once I see I've been paired with two knife zealots and a knife vet, I will bring void

[untold niche]

wait so sorry what does surge ( the blessing) do :v

[sonic coral]

surge shoots twice on a crit. Warp nexus raises crit chance based on peril

[languid tusk]

it shoots extra voidstrike bullets when you crit

[sonic coral]

And the node in the build above, third one down in the bottom right, gives you an automatic/guaranteed ranged crit after 5 weakspot hits (either melee or ranged).

At high peril, the middle-bottom node will also give you 20% more damage

[languid tusk]

this node makes it so when all enemies are lined up, your voidstrike will turn into an orbital strike

[sonic coral]

Now look at voidstrike details: look at crit damage. Now multiply by 1.2. Then multiply that by 2

It becomes an actual nuke

and you can GUARANTEE and engineer that crit, and plan around it, and line it up specifically

plus all the incidental crits you'll get just through normal play

(you can also just click lmb over and over and shoot like a machine gun)

[untold niche]

yeah i know about the 4x weakspot crit thingy

[sonic coral]

alright. well hopefully the information detailed in the last several pages is helpful to you, bon voyage

[untold niche]

tensk gud sir\

[kindred delta]

only took me a year of intermittent grinding (since pre-order beta, my first character was this psyker)

[sonic coral]

v nice

[kindred delta]

(the heresy penances took the longest)

now i have to do all the other penances that arent redacted

[sonic coral]

I basically just straight up refuse to do any penances that got moved to redacted before I got around to finishing them

for any class

[kindred delta]

the psyker ones are actually doable with how good BB is now

[sonic coral]

vet was my first char and I got all of them prior so it's fine

[kindred delta]

i still have to do the heresy penances on vet redacted but those seem doable if I go all in on left side tree

[sonic coral]

I'll have to think about trying this at some point. My only issue is the hoods kind of look not super great

[kindred delta]

at least they dont make you bald anymore

t3 hood looks best

still miffed about t3 vet helmet not having goggles

[sonic coral]

yea that's bullshit

[kindred delta]

at least I have the vet krieger stuff so

im not complaining

[long zodiac]

john darktide?

[kindred delta]

I also personally do like these other psyker headgears

looks better than mortis bandana

[sonic coral]

I have a vet build with the vet helmet, leather jacket, tree designed to shout and tag almost exclusively. trying to replicate the middle management/union rep feel for my fellow players, yelling at them and micromanaging them

[kindred delta]

my BB build makes my force sword especially potent

(i use the bootleg power sword variant)

[violet yoke]

Psyker life in aurc damn maelstrom as of late....
last 2 alive psyker and some one on a stealth build of some sort.
stealth build guy says "hay go here ill meet your there "
you run there
stealth build says "i cant make it(stealths away)"
all the agro is now on u in a really bad spot....

https://imgur.com/a/Wo87ho7

[sonic coral]

He fell for it!

[fluid wren]

why do i need warp charges of all things for the Power Up pennance -_-

[sonic coral]

Imagine how surprised he'll be with the two monstrosities I brought back for him

[lofty temple]

Scrier's Gaze... can it work without gun psyker?

[toxic blade]

is Enfeeble still bugged?

[fluid wren]

like warp siphon is straight up bad for a brain burst psyker because it doesnt do anything to speed up your casting time, and the only perk you can use with this that does also forces you to use all of your warp charges

so i need to run a mission without using my ability and try to kill 100 elites or specials with my unmodded brain burst, while competing for those kills with teammates

[hazy locust]

anyone else notice force push only works like 50% of the time on poxbursters? Oo other times it shows the skill as used and bro is just barrelling at you full speed?

only poxbursters tho...

[spice veldt]

as in venting shriek?

[fluid wren]

its literally easier to get the Shoot Fast pennance, which is supposed to be a more advanced pennance than Power Up that also involves brain burst

[lofty temple]

This penance was made when warp charge dumping on ability use was optional

[echo turtle]

surge staff is good

[toxic blade]

idk i am trying this exact build, and this video seems cherry picked as hell (with probably incompetent teammates with matchmaking?)

[violet yoke]

NO WAY no one would ever do that.... thats just crazy

[glossy ember]

13k melee, shriek op

[idle aurora]

I despise stealth vets/zealots with passion

[echo turtle]

creeingflame shirek is amazing

[glossy ember]

i don't really like creeping flame gameplay

but yeah it's s trong

[echo turtle]

i only used my sword to reposition

[glossy ember]

at this point just use a combat knife lol

[echo turtle]

you dont like killing hordes and keeping perils down to continue firing your staff"?

[echo turtle]

naw, the block efficiency and buullet blocking from deflector is clutch

[glossy ember]

the fire itself doesn't feel impactful for me

and by that i don't mean number wise

i mean animation wise

satisfaction wise

it doesn't feel good

it's okay

[echo turtle]

mean, just from vent i did near 300k damage, feels good to me

[hasty pier]

It reduces ability downtime and when combined with CD on specialist/elite kill you can use the mod that makes BB faster and reduced peril after ability use to combo with shriek for some pretty great BB uptime, especially with increased quell speed.

[violet yoke]

there are some situations were creapping fire and PC just save the F'N day

https://imgur.com/a/ajPJ6tS

[sonic whale]

Question, which one is better base stats wise?

[hasty pier]

Well 506 is bigger than 438 so there ya go

Oh base stats

[sonic whale]

You're looking at the wrong part

[fluid wren]

the pennance wants you to be at max warp charges for your BB kills

[sonic whale]

Total rating is worthless if the base stats are shit

[hasty pier]

373 is bigger than 361 so there ya go

[sonic whale]

Again in the break down it isn't that simple

[echo turtle]

Quell speed doesn't matter so much on purgatus

[sonic whale]

As You want burn and cloud radius high on the staff

From what I remember

As to me currently I think my current staff is better base stat wise as 80% quell speed is as someone mentioned relatively unimportant and the damage is low on it which makes me doubtful

[fluid wren]

also empowered psionics is just a better choice for brain blast overall, 100% cost reduction, faster cast speed, significantly more damage

[hasty pier]

The real answer is that both are likely perfectly fine to use.

I'd go left personally because cloud size has a more meaningful impact than damage or quell

[eager mantle]

Well stats are 373 vs 361 with dmg being the dump stat on the 373, the blue is better. You aren't losing a lot but gaining more in other areas for that 14% dmg discrepancy

[hasty pier]

Damage doesn't affect soulburn damage either. So most of the damage is really coming from burn

[fluid wren]

also using my brain blast with a psionics charge restores toughness to everyone in coherency with EP

[hasty pier]

The only reason I don't use empowered is because Siphon has a node to gain on soulblaze

And I abuse soulblaze

The free damage is great

[fluid wren]

taking warp charges on soulblazed enemy kills isnt great imo since the alternative is a lower chance to gain a charge but with kills made by anyone in coherency

[hasty pier]

I also find that empowered suffers from overcapping a lot

[sonic whale]

Blue Staff
Primary Action Damage: 31.50
Secondary Action Damage vx First Target: 18.90
Secondary Action burn intensity: 0.34
Gold Staff
Primary Action Damage: 32.90
Secondary Action Damage vx First Target: 19.74
Secondary Action burn intensity: 0.32
on the damage but the Burn stat will influence it better
80% Burn
Max Damage Over Time Stacks: 15.00
Damage over time Application Rate: 0.34
-oh yeah it's the same for the 78% staff

[fluid wren]

overcapping?

[sonic whale]

Yeah sorry for my dumbness, I'll take out the blue

If only that Warp Resistance was 80% 😭

[hasty pier]

Normally a term used in MMOs with charge abilities

Basically, when you hit three stacks of empower, you are put in an odd state where NOT using empower is wasting potential uses

And you're not always going to be in a spot to use it effectively

Compare to vent and Warp charges.

I press button and dump charges for instant benefit. You get more milage out of the node in that regard

Because empowered provides ZERO benefits if you don't use your blitz

[sonic whale]

I think it sadly only applies to some haircuts as mine is bald

[fluid wren]

im hardly ever put in that position due to the sheer number of gunners the game spawns now lol

[hasty pier]

Charges give benefits even if you sit on them

[sonic whale]

Yeah I forgot what the benefits are but I normally use the warp charges

Recently been trying out EP and been liking it

[steel flame]

What should I replace the perks with?

[hasty pier]

It's a nitpick tbh on my side.

I think Empowerd could benefit a lot from having a similar setup to siphon with extended choices that give some benefit to sitting on a charge.

But it's still solid and I enjoy it. I enjoy soulblaze spam a ton though

Still need my dang blaze sword

[sonic whale]

I'd recomend changing the Blessings as Run'n'Gun is relatively useless in my opinion for a psyker staff, and transfer peril is not useful enough

[glossy ember]

big horde clear yeah

[brave fiber]

honestly I like maniac and flak, blessings need work

[sonic whale]

Yeah the Perks are fine, but the blessings are no boon

[glossy ember]

transfer peril IV tho...

[fluid wren]

im running a Venting / psionics / BB build with points put into all of the soulblaze perks (save for WS) and running a good purg staff and duelling sword.

the loop for it is basically using purg for CC, BB to pick distant targets, and DS to handle anything that closes the distance

[glossy ember]

he doesn't have it in the library

[fluid wren]

and venting shriek as a panic button

[glossy ember]

[brave fiber]

dont let any of the voidstrike mains hear me but i kinda dont like transfer peril over nexus + flurry

[sonic whale]

Yeah that's how I use it or a "Fuck off Gunners" as it goes for 30m or 40m? I forgot

[glossy ember]

I'd keep transfer peril until you get another staff with transfer peril IV

or until you get a better staff

just so you don't miss out on the max level blessing for the collection

[fluid wren]

transfer peril on a VS staff is good for hordes since you can spam half-charges into mobs and get a ton of headshots

lets you chain VS endlessly

[sonic whale]

This is my current Voidstrike, I need to change the Soulblaze staff at somepoint

Also I found this insane Trauma staff in the shop and upgraded it, haven't changed the Level 1 Warp flurry from it yet

[hasty pier]

I run blaze trauma, cleave force sword, BB and Vent with Siphon.

BB is for anything not in trauma range because hot damn does it cut through everything.

Vent is for extreme horde control. Whenever I think I can get my stacks back quickly I burn it for damage and try to get some more milage out of BB. I don't rely on BB, so it is mainly a tool that I use whenever it's needed.

[sonic whale]

I just wish that the area for viewing where it will hit was via where you aim your dot rather then looking up to make it go further and that the radius was larger

[hasty pier]

Blaze Trauma is a fucking drug

[fluid wren]

i havent used trauma staff much tbh, felt a bit clunky in the test room

[hasty pier]

Quell cancel

[fluid wren]

that sounds like a glitch that would get patched out

[hasty pier]

Once you get the hang of it, charged blaze blasts are a thing of art

HA

[sonic whale]

Yeah I feel like the way the 2nd attack is done need to be re-worked on how to aim, as it should move to wherever you place the dot to be more useful rather then gliding on the vertical axis as if you are aiming a mortar or aty piece

[hasty pier]

It's a side effect of quell animation priority queuing

[fluid wren]

i gotchu

[hasty pier]

Which was smart on their side. Quelling overrides everything because if you need to quell YOU NEED TO QUELL

[fluid wren]

i do love that we can have such different builds and still both be effective psykers

[hasty pier]

That's a high opinion you got there of yourself

[fluid wren]

hey man im winning matches so as far as im concerned its a good build

[hasty pier]

I'm just poking fun.

There's a good amount of diversity in Psyker. It's good.

[fluid wren]

:)

[grand abyss]

what blessings for a duelling sword?

or, more specifically, is this worth paying melk for?

[languid tusk]

I am extremely irritated. Only had enough time for 1 match before melee maelstrom is gone, I get into a match with 3 knife buffoons who rush off into the distance and die within the first minute. iseewherethisisgoing.jpg so I immediatly leave and narrowly have time to queue for another maelstrom

and its the same fucking match

ok, guess no melee only maelstrom for me today

[glossy ember]

next time u see 3 combat knives user

equip one too

scrier gunker with knife

faster than the zealots

[languid tusk]

I like this idea assert knife dominance

[open pike]

I did this once but it wasn't Maelstrom just regular damnation

Fun little times

[glossy ember]

based

[open pike]

I have the Combat Blade/Purg and Combat Blade/Columnus sitting in my back pocket when the team comp allows it

[toxic blade]

which perk is the best for this gun? instead of infested

[open pike]

It's Flak or Maniac usually I think, but I'd like a better player to confirm

[compact spindle]

idk if I count for a better player at all but I wanted to put in my opinion I think flak is better because most of the annoying/difficult enemies are wearing a combo of flak and carapace though most of it is flak

You won't be taking on crushers any time soon with that but it helps with the moebian units

[ruby meadow]

Flak/Maniac are the two you want

[dense prism]

for revolver, is it worth it to run crit damage perk for true aim smite build?

or just run flak/maniac

[hard solstice]

Anyone know if smite / surge still being able to hit weakspots is intended, or if it has been confirmed as a bug to be fixed in a future patch? Fatshark recently claimed they fixed it but all that functionally happened is damage to the random limbs that were being targeted was buffed to be the same as torso.

Looking to invest in a build that kinda relies on on the weakspot hits to quickly stack true aim without consuming the guaranteed crit hit, and would hate to have the build made useless later because fatshark changes their mind from how it currently works.

[brazen warren]

the considerations are between flak, maniac, unyielding, and unarmored. flak/unarmored for maximum anti shooter, flak maniac for when you know ragers are your bane, and flak unyielding for when you want boss dps and some anti shooter/mixed horde

[glossy ember]

someone on reddit did a test and it seems they had 8% weakpoint hit with surge staff over the course of a match

unsure if that includes lmb or not

or melee

if you wanna hit lots of weakpoints, void staff manages that better afaik

[subtle bane]

So can anyone help me level up I would greatly appreciate it

[lethal lagoon]

Check the LFG channels, easy enough to find people lvling alts

[subtle bane]

ok do i go into VOX what even is VOX

[twilit comet]

I feel like I've been blessed by the Omnisiaah - anything to change?

[languid tusk]

literally perfect

only thing you can do is upgrade the perks or the blessing if you want

[near wyvern]

+flak, you fan check Atheneum for good blessings and perks for all Psyker weapons

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum 📌 for the Gunker build and use a revolver. Gather stacks, with Smite pop with revolver.

You want Hand Cannon on it at least

Are you in a private game?

No idea but since we are talking about Fatshark coding here that's very much a possibility

I did it long time ago so don't know how it works now

[wet belfry]

Whats actually the best method for killing bosses as psyker?

[vernal kettle]

I'm trying to do this now if you need a second to troubleshoot.

[wet belfry]

And i truly mean the best.

Rashad might be easier to fit in

[sonic coral]

hrm

[hard solstice]

I was looking to run more a voidstrike staff with surge and blazing blessings

[sonic coral]

Groaners to crit chance or flak, run n gun to nexus I guess? I have t4 flurry but seems like it could do better with a different perk

[wet belfry]

People are actually so rude with bosses in general

Zealots, veterans just stealth to avoid it.

[brazen warren]

what build/loadout do you use on psyker

[wet belfry]

Mk 4 duelling, trauma

[brazen warren]

what blitz and ult?

[wet belfry]

Venting shriek, bb

[twilit comet]

Got another one .... what to do with this?

seems prety solid for blessings - change the perks?

[brazen warren]

if you have distance, open with 2x BB, vent, 3x BB. if they are on top of you, DS headshot and keep it tied up. if its a beast of nurgle repeat the first option over and over while kiting it

[wet belfry]

Dont worry about method

Im actually pretty good at speed killing when its just the boss

Unforunately normal games arent just dealing with bosses

[brazen warren]

I run gunker with scriers gaze, so columnus with raking/dumdum and SG going i can 2-3 mag a boss no problem

[wet belfry]

Im mostly just someone who is tired of having to substitute as a boss killer with poor weapons for it.

But if it does happen ingame as much as it does i might aswell spec into it.

[static needle]

Can the talent anticipation be worth running for a gunpsyker build with a duelling sword?

[wanton sandal]

i know it's late but flurry for blaze or wn for rending imo

two of the recommended builds from the psykanium thing in the pins

[craggy gorge]

Anyone had any luck doing the boss penance on Heresy since the update? only one ive got left for psyker

[brazen warren]

sg columnus is the best boss melt I have found so far on psyker. surge and BB can do okay, but not to the level of columnus

[south spruce]

Can this be salvaged?

[brazen warren]

we have more horde clear and CC options than pure single target

[strong gulch]

Very much so.

[south spruce]

Neat!

[wanton sandal]

rampage for uncanny and sprint for mutie

and youre good

[strong gulch]

I can get back to you ina bit

[south spruce]

And what blessings am I looking at for the surge force staff?

[south spruce]

..oh boy I do not have uncanny

And I am broke on ordo dockets

[azure fern]

How good is shriek + smite?

I'm running emp psi bubble smite rn

[wanton sandal]

run warp nexus and i forgor the other one

💀

[south spruce]

Was it crit chance based on peril?

[echo turtle]

Smite is good for pushing away bursters and just locking down bad situations. It depends on the staff you take as to whether smite is worth having. Shriek with soul fire synergy is incredibly powerful

[cosmic sigil]

You can with my build.

[brazen warren]

stun a room, light it up, big horde melt energy

[echo turtle]

I personally prefer to run BB for boss damage and free bursts, but I do like smite when I don't have a surge staff

[plucky flax]

[azure fern]

I've never not run smite since it came out so i know how it works

im just wondering if bubble could be replaced

[echo turtle]

It can yes, though imo you want the soul blaze talents

I played two games today, where I dealt around 300k damage just from shriek

I ran brain burst, but mostly for free procs, barely used it at all

[cosmic sigil]

I tried your build on yt AC. I made just the following adjustment: backstab ranged DMG and dumdum+raking on the mk5

[fresh reef]

Running Smite/Surge/Shriek, and shriek warpfire is like a third of my damage

[hollow jolt]

on one hand, Venting Shriek is super useful for me to not shit myself

on the other, Shield is super useful for me to not get molested by gunners

smh having to make decisions 😔

[fresh reef]

Imo, you deal with gunners just as easily without shield

[hollow jolt]

yeah but its never "just" gunners

[fresh reef]

Take smite, chain it to the gunners

Simple as

(though having a quick means of dispatching them is good too)

[hollow jolt]

Combi-staff with a plasma gun taped to it when?

[echo turtle]

I ran shriek without smite, and posted the scoreboard above.

No issue with gunners running surge staff

Deflector if you are caught out, and empathic evasion were all I needed on the maelstrom today. 0 toughness curios or gunner rez aswell

[plucky flax]

That'll be big damage when shooting from behind. Can melt bulwark easily.

[echo turtle]

With purgatus, I would take shield

[cloud heron]

Purge loves vent

[hollow jolt]

yeah I run Shriek without smite too

I run Purg because crits for days + all the crit synergy

very comfy

[hollow jolt]

indeed, just wish Vets did their job :c

[tame venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/386718408982528000/1177001067007967312/86ybm3.jpg?ex=6570eaa9&is=655e75a9&hm=1e1f07e607d7c9a87abda85ac55abd2c51118bd1cb587af3ba95f515aeef60a5&

[cloud heron]

like being able to vent at a group of maulers and then immediately start CCing with LMB is really useful

instead of building stacks with right click first

[static needle]

Is this good for a lasgun/duel sword build? I run max warp charges

[cloud heron]

also venting to stagger any ragers or maulers that slip through, to help you backpedal

[cosmic sigil]

thus stealth

[hollow jolt]

just ask them nicely to not attack UwU

[silk hawk]

Surge gang!

[kind jay]

did somebody say surge and stone?

[strong gulch]

Full auto mod got an update. I like eacha ddition, but it's more unstable than ever.

[waxen abyss]

In order to learn to not explode

You must first explode many times

[cloud heron]

This is my full auto mod

[waxen abyss]

One mission I exploded 3 times

[cloud heron]

infinitely more consistent than that mod

[waxen abyss]

Now I feel like I can easily handle peril

I catch myself at 100% many times now and dont press the “guess I die now” button

[rotund dagger]

Why does the brace/ADS toggle setting not apply to psyker charge attacks

My mouse is fuck busted and whenever I try to hold down right click, it flickers like crazy

I can barely play Psyker because of this

[marsh wharf]

Can you hit crit damage with the chain lighting?

[fresh reef]

Assuming you mean Surge and not Smite, yes

If the first hit crits, the second also crits

[marsh wharf]

Ye-oh

[fading iris]

Surge powa

[marsh wharf]

I just want a build that lets me spam lightning tbf

[white river]

What do we think of the drip

[wanton sandal]

i dig the sea mine look

wish that specific headgear came with a collar

[white river]

I'm very explosive

[white river]

Yeah but the vest covers that p well

I love how those two match

[wanton sandal]

true

[white river]

And then got the warp battery legs

[wanton sandal]

that jacket is really ood

i love running it

[white river]

Love me militarum leathers

[glossy ember]

surge + smite + warp siphon + ult of your choice

enjoy zapping

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[plucky flax]

RIP real unlimited power smite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgebio7n_w

[faint oriole]

is there a fast way to get blessing i just spent 10k plasteel and 500k ord and still havnt good surge on voidstrike

[cosmic sigil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aad56a0-d4ec-49f8-9e92-ff89c74e7318 this is what is use, i have nearly identical 1, 4 and 7

[plucky flax]

Too much stuff that I would normally take are missing 😦

This row.

[cosmic sigil]

not really, yesterday i spent 3k plasteel to get a specific blessing... i did not get it until i checked my vet's inventory

[naive cedar]

What blessing are people using on trauma staff now and days? I have rendering and warp but it still feels kinda meh to me.

[cosmic sigil]

only thing i miss a lot are thy wrath and maybe blee for the emperor

[south spruce]

[fresh reef]

Flurry/Shockwave or Blazing/Nexus

[static needle]

Just looking for a yes or no answer: Could you make a gun psyker build with any of the infantry lasguns that would be on par with using laspistol or is it simply the best?

[cosmic sigil]

i don't remember infantry lasguns being so crit oriented

[idle aurora]

rip burn

[cosmic sigil]

try a scryier build no?

[plucky flax]

Headhunter and deadly accurate are really good now on infantry lasguns.

[static needle]

yes

[plucky flax]

Huge crit.

[cosmic sigil]

i did not remember you could get those blessings on the lasguns

[static needle]

deadly accurate is great

[cosmic sigil]

so maybe a 4 with a full auto mod or the ia?

[idle aurora]

but tbh swap elites to crit chance and with nexus you will kinda make up for low burn stat, or just rip out nexus 4 and wait for better purga

[static needle]

why the 4 and not the 12?

[plucky flax]

If you can hit your shots the IA has highest dps right now.

[cosmic sigil]

by the time you get get 4 shots with the 12, scryer has ended

😄

[static needle]

okay so 1a is best?

[plucky flax]

Yep.

[static needle]

hmm

[cosmic sigil]

it's probably the best balance in terms of handling and dmg

[plucky flax]

Not sure on psyker though you might have ammo issue.

But can't be as bad as laspistol.

[static needle]

not with assail

[rotund dagger]

not with force staff

[cosmic sigil]

not with melee swords

[waxen abyss]

DUELING SWORDS LETS GOOO

[waxen abyss]

Was in response to this lol

I love my saber

[cosmic sigil]

in terms of melee, psyker has probably the best choice imho

[cosmic sigil]

caxe, force, duellist, claws, knife... and chord

you don't really miss hsword and psword

[waxen abyss]

Mk2 saber is pretty fun, I like how you can use a waveclear combo (light>heavy>repeat) or a high single target attack (heavy>light>repeat)

But apparently mk4 just does more damage?

Which is silly ;c

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, have you checked the breakdown?

it's like, hu why?

[spice veldt]

i cri

note the mk5 dealing less than half of the mk4's damage against carapace (284 vs 590)

[cosmic sigil]

perfect, this is what is was looking

[spice veldt]

worse weakspot multipliers and armour modifiers

I expect to see the damage values normalized across the duelling sword weapon family eventually, but hopefully they come reasonably soon

[cosmic sigil]

i just don't want them to fix rampage

[spice veldt]

it's just sad being like "yeah, the mk4 is straight up the best" all the time

[cosmic sigil]

but the moveset???

[violet yoke]

Cruching on broken blessings is fun sometimes...
Also 4 is better damge but the mobility on the V is pretty wild

[plucky flax]

Justice for mk5.

The swaggiest duelling sword.

[strong gulch]

I want the heavy 1 on the duelings to more equal.

[harsh urchin]

mk5 has my fav moveset

too bad i've forced to use the mk4

[south spruce]

i think assail ruined me because i am having a hard time adjusting to smite and brain rupture

[harsh urchin]

because it does way more dmg

[strong gulch]

I like the mk 2 and wish it was a bit punchier.

Even with them being the same damage, it would still be a DPS loss on the mk2 heavy speacial loop compared to mk4 heavy chains.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a real double whammy given that the mk2's 1st heavy has worse base damage for no reason

despite having the exact same animation as the mk4's 1st heavy as well

[strong gulch]

Right?

[spice veldt]

i think it would be nice as the cleave variant

[violet yoke]

If they were all the same why even have 3 weapons just delet the other 2

[spice veldt]

once the damage gets set the same

not that I've tested the horde DPS on the mk2

[spice veldt]

i mean, we're at that stage right now

two are just straight up worse than one

why bother having two more variants?

you could make that argument about the current state of things

[plucky flax]

Assail is very based.

[spice veldt]

having moveset differences is nice, if not for just the animations and minor differences

[violet yoke]

I mean that goes for alot of things

Axes
Dules swords
Catas

[spice veldt]

and the duelling swords are one of the families that have some decent differences

mk2 has a cleaving 2nd heavy, and the mk5 has a strikedown h1 -> h2 -> l3 combo along with better defensive stats

they're minor, but they're there

I don't think that they have to be so different

[plucky flax]

Rashad and antax are nicely balanced. It's preference for those 2.

[spice veldt]

just a little bit of variety is nice

[plucky flax]

Same with the ogryn ripper guns.

[south spruce]

I don’t know because people complain about assail psykers but I like it

[violet yoke]

And yet the 7 exists

[spice veldt]

like even right now, a lot of people like the mk5 because of the overhead heavies

[strong gulch]

It's easier to clear a horde with mk 2 and mk 4. You can be more sloppy too.

But if you're good at horde management with the mk 4, there isn't that much reason to take the mk 2 just for hordes.

I'm bad and sloppy, so mk 2 is nice for me.

[plucky flax]

That chop down light attack pattern is too much for me.

I don't want to heavy cancel spam for a whole round.

[violet yoke]

I get it but the point is they all do different things... like push shit around more or stun more or kill faster

[strong gulch]

I do like the overhead heavies on the mk5. That was my first dueling sword love.

[violet yoke]

If they all had the same damge profile it would be lame

[spice veldt]

but as of right now, the other two are straight up worse

[strong gulch]

I'm lame. Got a walking stick and what not.

[spice veldt]

that's also extremely lame

the mk4 does ~900 and the mk2 does ~630 to unarmoured

[brazen warren]

been testing out rampage 4 on the mk4 dueling sword with uncanny 4, gives me some easy to use horde clear. not as strong as a devil claw or illisi granted, but being able to poke crushers into dust is extremely valuable

[spice veldt]

like, I'm fine with some numerical differences and whatnot

but being this much worse than another variant despite having the exact same animation is just not great

[strong gulch]

Same animation and class of weapon with different damage is odd tho.

[spice veldt]

and with the amount of melee weapons that we have, some overlap is natural

[strong gulch]

RIGHT. The SAME animation

[spice veldt]

it's just the nature of things given the amount of melee weapons that we havec

if we had only 5 melee weapons in total with no marks/variants, then sure

more distinguishment

[wet belfry]

Newer weapons are usally more distinguished

[spice veldt]

gib 2h weapon

[wet belfry]

I think FS realized the older weapons were flawed in how they were made.

[spice veldt]

and from a different philosophy

since some power creep did happen with the addition of the force swords

the crusher was just depressing initially though

[cosmic sigil]

crab helped with some redesign no?

[wet belfry]

Illisi was fair and balanced

[cosmic sigil]

like the crusher

[spice veldt]

god bless him

[wet belfry]

Zealots cant ever get a break.

[spice veldt]

i quite like the new crusher

it's all I use whenever I play zealot

[cosmic sigil]

this is what i understood watching telopots video

[wet belfry]

Always getting outshined in melee dps by other classes

[cosmic sigil]

he did some design docs apparently

probably during the long beta before patch13

[cosmic sigil]

until recently i did more melee dmg with Psyker > Ogryn > Vet

[rotund dagger]

Whats a 2 handed weapon a psyker would use?

[cosmic sigil]

-_-

[wet belfry]

I dunno honestly which class i would reach highest melee damage with rn

[spice veldt]

there's a leaked 2h force sword for now

[void fulcrum]

Force Spear?

[wet belfry]

Presumably ogryn

[cosmic sigil]

force halberd?

[wet belfry]

71% DR is pretty op for staying in melee with everything

[rotund dagger]

Give Zealots Power Swords
Fucken EZ

[spice veldt]

there's the 2h power sword and force sword which we're just waiting on for now

[cosmic sigil]

power axe

[rotund dagger]

2 handed Chain Axe

[spice veldt]

some dual-wield weapons would also be neat

[rotund dagger]

I need

[long wharf]

I bet the 2handed force sword mentioned in the game files is an old, abandoned concept

[wet belfry]

That would be sad

[umbral jewel]

How To Complete The Warp Battery Penance

[fading iris]

Just give us at least some chain glaives

[wet belfry]

Just keep a good tempo on a damnation mission, keep killing elites

[upbeat parcel]

avoid missions with long ass elevators

[grand abyss]

A force hammer or halberd could be neat

[upbeat parcel]

that'll kill your momentum on the penace

[wet belfry]

Maps like envlaavum baross, chasm logistratium have no elevators

[fading iris]

So many options, make dual wield a thing were certain melee can go on the ranged slot and you can throw them

thiccsushi, my rates aren't high, lets talk

[wet belfry]

Chasm logistratum actually is probably one of the hardest maps in the game

So many terrible areas one has to go through

[upbeat parcel]

I think carnival is a good one for the penace since it's relatively narrow

so u can bb elites who will always be on ur line of sight

also pls give a force halberd

[fading iris]

Don't forget to ring the bell(best feature) on Carnival to get extra luck

[upbeat parcel]

one day they're gonna shadow patch in a feature to the bell

on ring a horde is summoned

[wet belfry]

A pack of rats?

[upbeat parcel]

there's mini nurgles in V2 so fuck it add rats to darktide

[static needle]

is the push of the laspistol worth keeping or should i switch it to a laser? btw i have the weapon customization mod

[rigid rune]

worse a pack of gutter runners

[azure bridge]

what should I do to this to make it a halfway decent weapon?

[harsh urchin]

you can't

it's fucked

start over

[azure bridge]

all bad I'm guessing?

[rigid rune]

it's really not that bad

blessings are not optimal but are good enough

just swap both perks

[azure bridge]

I'll use it as a placeholder till i can forge another

I primarly use my melee weapon to block ranged fire in a pinch so block cost efficiency and defletor shoudl probably go on it

i can one shot muties with it as well

[wet belfry]

That weapon has bad perks, blessings

Also dumpstat on deimos is warp res not mobility

[azure bridge]

yeah i had my doubts

found a potential repalcement from brunts armory already

just need to upgrade it

what am I looking for perk wise for this ?

damage?

[upbeat parcel]

I recommend checking the pinned guide we have in here

[azure bridge]

oh right thats a thing, i'l check there

[wet belfry]

Im pretty sure its flak, carapace

But i could be wrong

[hearty wave]

i dont know what im supposed to be looking for here

like is blazing spirit good do i replace it

[gilded ember]

y'all got some goated purgatus builds for me?

[rose gazelle]

not really. i'd say replace it

[rigid rune]

this is an acceptable weapon

[hearty wave]

what do i replace ti with

uncanny strike?

[rigid rune]

blazing spirit can help getting warpcharges with in fire repborn

[gilded ember]

try blazing T4 its actually not bad

[rose gazelle]

i personally like exorcist

[harsh urchin]

blazing is super bad on the force swords

because it has anti synergy

[rose gazelle]

can quell and kill at the same time

[severe folio]

blazing spirit wont help you get warp siph via fire reborn

[rigid rune]

yes it will

[severe folio]

its very inconsistent and crit reliant

you have to go through 2 cycles of RNG for a warp siphon

first the crit for blaze, then the fire reborn

[harsh urchin]

also the 4% chance to get a WC on coherency kill is always better than 10% on warpfire kill 100% of the time

[rigid rune]

I use the soulfire spread talent and it works well enough to get me up to 6 from 0 against a horde

[rose gazelle]

here's the list of blessings if you're looking for more options

[harsh urchin]

The reason blazing sucks dick on the FS, is because if you kill the enemy, it won't apply any stacks; and the reason wildfire sucks dick is because it doesn't properly add stacks onto enemies due to the capping.

[toxic blade]

does anyone know how actually important are the correct blessings and perks for the gear? realistically how much stronger do you get, how much impact does it make for beating maelstrom?

[rose gazelle]

i personally have bloodthirsty and exorcist on mine to synergize with each other

[harsh urchin]

it makes a difference

but you just need "good enough" gear

it doesn't have to be perfect

[severe folio]

i dont think blazing spirit and wildfire is actually helping you gaining warp siph via fire reborn as consistent as you are feeling

[strong gulch]

Blessings and perks make quite the difference, but if you're game play is bad, no amount of gear will help that.

550 weapon with the meta stats, perks, and blessing is not going to save me from sucking.

[void fulcrum]

Soulblaze in all forms always seemed pretty pathetic to me. At best it highlights stuff that's still alive...

[spice veldt]

soulblaze isn't impressive for single-target

but most soulblaze application methods spread it in an AoE

[severe folio]

does this soulblaze look pathetic to you

[strong gulch]

Depending on source and how its used, soulblaze is really strong. Aoe and damage over time.

Melted.

[void fulcrum]

Yes

[toxic blade]

i too found soulblaze too weak (together with smite)

[severe folio]

then you are overexpecting

[void fulcrum]

If you're a Purgatus enjoyer. You're probably playing on Malice

[toxic blade]

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

i was shown this

i thought ok maybe this is interesting

[severe folio]

you shouldnt project your own insecurity

[toxic blade]

then i saw that i already tried a very similar build to this

[mighty olive]

I play it on high intensity damnation just fine.

[left mirage]

?????

[toxic blade]

i tried it again today, and it still was subpar

[severe folio]

people that said purg only work in malice really should play on higher difficulty sometime

[solar sand]

ive heard people say damage is dump stat on trauma, is that true?

[wet belfry]

True purgatus users are just wannabe trauma users.

[left mirage]

Warp nexus + 5%ranged cc is all you need

[untold widget]

I run purgatus on Auric Damnation just fine

[spice veldt]

people shitting on purgatus because it doesn't get instant results 😔

[left mirage]

Burn trauma's better for cc and mixed / armored hordes while purg fucks up ragers / squishy hordes

[severe folio]

blaze trauma are just anti team purgatus

[left mirage]

The cc is pretty clutch if you know how to knock them around

[severe folio]

the cc is what get you top damage

because your enemies is flying around and only you can hit them

[left mirage]

If you're just spamming it and letting crushers spill around like beans then its kinda anti team

[strong gulch]

Depends on the trauma build and damage isn't dumpstat; but on blazing spirit trauma, you can get away with a some lower damage.

Can't give ground on blast radius and charge rate tho.

[solar sand]

also just got this

[severe folio]

gives you the illusion of top damage while in truth its because your teammate cant reach all the knocked around enemies

[untold widget]

My purg build is Deimos with Uncanny/Deflector and Purg with Warp flurry/nexus and shout fire. Dumpsters anything the game can throw at me (except bosses maybe, those just have to be whittled)
Edit: And BR/Assail

[solar sand]

which would you say is better of the 2

[left mirage]

First looks kinda bricked but better stats

Second at least already has cara

[strong gulch]

If you can get blazing spirit + warp nexus on here with decent perks, this one is better.

[wet belfry]

Ive already had the purgatus discussion abunch of times before

[severe folio]

it looks like you learnt nothing from all of it

[solar sand]

ok melk i see you

[wet belfry]

Purgatus is a dps staff that usally needs support to do what it wants.

[untold widget]

support from what?

[gilded ember]

never used it

[solar sand]

its really good at cc so you usually can function on your own

[wet belfry]

Melee boys/tanks at front that can keep things distracted

[solar sand]

personally i round it out with BR for crushers and bulwarks

[wet belfry]

Some things get through purgatus limited CC

[untold widget]

Nothing lives long enough to need distracting

[wet belfry]

Actually most things.

[severe folio]

name the most things that get through purg cc

[void fulcrum]

Does it pushback as much as a flamer?

[solar sand]

mutants, swinging ragers, crusher

[wet belfry]

Bruisers, ragers, maulers

[gilded ember]

bulwark

[wet belfry]

Anything bigger then a poxwalker will require retreating for the psyker

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which is what your melee is for

[solar sand]

it does if its not the shield

direct hit staggers i think

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as if retreating is a bad thing

lmao

[wet belfry]

Ye it can be

Specifically in events

[solar sand]

testing now to be sure one sec

[left mirage]

Ragers and maulers need left click spam

[untold widget]

well it performs admirably at the highest difficulty this game currently has

so

[left mirage]

And ragers wont get ccd if they start their combo

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that's what shout/melee is for

[left mirage]

Crushers dont get ccd either

[wet belfry]

Most things do ok in the highest difficulty

[solar sand]

its my go to auric build with bubble and BR

[wet belfry]

But purgatus is not without some big flaws

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which you shore up with your melee and blitz

[solar sand]

rmb staggers bulwarks

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as in all good builds

[severe folio]

the big flaws of purgatus are definitely not the flaws you listed out

[strong gulch]

Crusher and bulwarks get through.

Little garbage can get through but a dodge back and wiggling the curser solves that.

Can easily stagger things (except crusher and bulwark) with the LMB on purg.

[solar sand]

just not to the shield

[severe folio]

because those flaws are human controlled

if you are being staggered by ragers, mauler, and somehow bruiser as a purgatus user

then thats just mean you need better fire control

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"I have to dodge backwards sometimes with purgatus, F Tier" - Wilmer

[west stream]

You figure it's worth buying from melk?

[wet belfry]

Needing to retreat vs bruisers ye is pretty sad

[severe folio]

because evevery literal staff gets interrupted by these guys the same way as purgatus

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yeah

[wet belfry]

Even melee weapons controll better then that

[solar sand]

i run focused on mine, feels great

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you don't need to retreat

[solar sand]

though not BiS

[severe folio]

well comparing melee control with staff control is also a very strange take

[untold widget]

just swap to deimos or dueling sword and stab them

[strong gulch]

If that's an upgrade, yes.

[west stream]

What blessings do people like to run? think I run shred on current

[severe folio]

and shows how little game sense you actually have

maybe you should learn how to look around to not be snop on by the bruisers more often

[untold widget]

Deimos with Uncanny 2 shots all ogryns with heavy's

[flat magnet]

Found this sword in the Melky Boi Shop. Was thinking of Replacing the Precognition with Riposte,
And the Elite damage to Maniac.

But I'm not too sure. Suggestions?

[untold widget]

dueling sword 3-4 shots them

[west stream]

It is a pretty nice upgrade for most values

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also Deimos Heavy 2 knocks the ogryns down

[wet belfry]

Making claims about skill are we?

[severe folio]

you are making points about skill, there’s no way around it

Like

Literally, there’s no cover to that

you are literally complaining about purgatus cannot stagger mauler, rager and brusier

when it’s actually can

[wet belfry]

How is needing to move backwards against enemies not a weakness in a game where hordes keep endlessly flooding in events?

[severe folio]

you are complaining about not dodging enemies like every single staff doesnt have a scenario where you have to dodge while attacking

every, single, staff, has a moment where it needs to do so

[wet belfry]

Like its a pretty simple case herep

[west stream]

Oh nice got Tier IV Riposte

On upgrade

[severe folio]

No friend

[west stream]

is nice

[wet belfry]

Purgatus is not actually a CC staff but DPS

[untold widget]

sometimes your position needs to change depending on the enemy you're fighting. That's the fucking game.

[silent bison]

what does an optimal trauma staff look like rn?

[solar sand]

both

[waxen abyss]

Poggies

[severe folio]

You just need to play it better Wilmer

[flat magnet]

very nice

[west stream]

any reaplacements for +4% mele damage?

[severe folio]

this isnt the case for everyone

this is actually just you Wilmer

[wet belfry]

But for the biggest potenial purgatus wants cooperative allies

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if your idea of an ideal weapon is one where you can literally stand there and nothing will ever get to you, then you're not playing the right game

[severe folio]

No Wilmer, you dont need cooperative allies for this

[manic halo]

aside from the revolver what else would be a good pure gunker weapon?

[severe folio]

you just need to get use to it

[waxen abyss]

I sure can’t wait to start the eternal grind for good sabers

[untold widget]

Columnus shreds pretty well

[wet belfry]

Ye thats literary what it needs for me to consider it good

[west stream]

I think Maniac or Flak is popular but dont know breakpoints

[flat magnet]

Probably the Columnus Mk5

[strong gulch]

Change crit damage to mutant and you're in a great spot.

[untold widget]

thats none of them dude

not a single

[manic halo]

ah clumnus fair

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fucking

one

[severe folio]

Wilmer that just means you are really fukin bad

cant you see that

[solar sand]

yikes

[flat magnet]

bruh

[static needle]

This blessing is good paired with deadly accurate, right?

[wet belfry]

Nah it just means ive seen scenarios before where losing pointless ground isnt the play.

[strong gulch]

sad

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Wilmer fights bosses in tiny rooms, confirmed

[wet belfry]

And i will recongize this as a weakness of purgatus

[stuck bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/Fn9XsPH.png
running this with surge, am i dumb as shit

[severe folio]

then we shall recognize it as your own weaknesses

because the rest of us dont have that same issue

[wet belfry]

Becuase you have allies covering

Take it away and you dont.

[untold widget]

You can drop toughness on warp kill at the top for damage based on peril at the bottom

[severe folio]

im the one covering the allies wilmer

[untold widget]

you're making assumptions

[wet belfry]

Oh god

Ok

[severe folio]

admit it wilmer

[untold widget]

None of us ever claimed we needed ally support to run purgatus

[severe folio]

this is personal experience

[untold widget]

we don

t

you do

[waxen abyss]

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thats it

[void fulcrum]

Playing into supporting your buddies is a viable thing

[severe folio]

this is just your weaknesses, not your tools

[manic halo]

quick reload talent for psyker when

[solar sand]

bubble shield go brrr

[wet belfry]

Just test things

Go into psykanium

[severe folio]

Wilmer we literally take purgatus into damnation daily

[wet belfry]

Spawn stuff, fight them

[untold widget]

go into auric maelstrom

get good

come back

[wet belfry]

How do you move to counter the enemies?

[severe folio]

and I take purgatus as most consistent auric runs

[untold widget]

what enemies? they're all dead except for the ogryns

[stuck bridge]

oh?

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and then they die to melee

[wet belfry]

How does the CC on purgatus actually work?

[severe folio]

very weird that you are making this point by saying spawn them in psykanun

[wet belfry]

What do your allies think?

[stuck bridge]

oh warp rider

duh

[severe folio]

Wilmer you are actually trolling right now

[untold widget]

when ranged fire goes past enemies without hitting htem, they get suppressed and duck and cover

pretty straightforward mechanic

[severe folio]

We literally use purgatus in auric and damnation wilmer

[wet belfry]

Im aware

[severe folio]

all of our experiences arent just from the psykanum

[void fulcrum]

Literally?

[severe folio]

Literally

[fading iris]

and that works for LMB on surge staff too, so you can legit go support mode by spam LMB, purgatus does that always

[wet belfry]

But the psykanium gives you a concrete information for how things work without all the messy things that happen in normal games

[fading iris]

only staff that I don't know if does the suppresion thing is the trauma, but then, you can just yeet the enemies, that works too

[wet belfry]

It can be hard to tell how CC functions on weapons

[strong gulch]

First time on the carnival map, damnation btw, a purg psyker with shit rolls saved our asses when hordes came at us from all direction.

[void fulcrum]

You needed saving from hordes?

Or was there a monstrosity in the middle of it all

[fading iris]

when you hit, mobs stagger, when you don't, they coil in fear and freeze on that.

[strong gulch]

LMB has puff that stagger everything except crushers, bulwarks, and monsters. RMB has the constant spray that has a pause before things get staggered.

[strong gulch]

It was the first time on the map with no idea where things came from or where danger doors were.

so yes

[echo turtle]

Your build would be much stronger if you took two points in venting shriek for the soul blaze and picked up wildfire

You don't need true aim

You don't need 6 charges, you will be venting on cool down and gaining little benefit from the extra charhes

[fading iris]

and even on those that don't stagger, you can fake stagger them by locking them in certain animations, like the bulwark always defending your hits but then a teammate can go around and hit

everything can be a support weapon if you try hard enough

[strong gulch]

True

[void fulcrum]

Too true

[severe folio]

noo dont tell him to pick wildfire

[echo turtle]

I run it and got 800k damage in every game I played

[severe folio]

hes gonna vent shriek for 6 stacks, what would wildfire do

[echo turtle]

It's good

[severe folio]

yeah thats vent shriek not wildfire

what would wildfire do

[echo turtle]

You know what it does

[severe folio]

spread 4 stacks on other 6 stacks enemies ?

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I like wildfire for getting soulblaze on things I didn't originally hit, but that's negotiable

[echo turtle]

Things you don't hit initially

And the stuff that dies when you proc on kill

It's good, for a single point imo it's well worth the damage

[severe folio]

the most you are adding on those enemies are 2-3 stacks

[untold widget]

Getting soulblaze warp charges is slightly faster with wildfire

[severe folio]

and that is not killing anything

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again, it's not needed

[echo turtle]

Doesn't matter, it's worth the point

[severe folio]

no its not worth the point

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but if you have a point and don't have anywhere else to put it, its fine

[severe folio]

if this is the reason to get it you are not gaining anything out of wildfire

[fading iris]

you don't need to use wildfire if everybody is already dead ++ This message is approved by the Inquisition ++

[echo turtle]

Well like I said, I played two Aurics and an auric maelstrom. I got 800k damage in every game

[potent echo]

Idk after going back I feel like it's kind of nice

[echo turtle]

I think it's good

[severe folio]

look, even at max of 4 warp charge transferring to an enemy

not a single poxwalker actually die from 4 stacks of blaze

[void fulcrum]

YES!

[potent echo]

It mainly for purg

[severe folio]

so the scenario where it transfer to enemies you are not attacking

and they die

this isn’t actually happening

[echo turtle]

It's not about 1 shots and break points all the time in game

Lots of stuff like your own attacks deal partial damage

[severe folio]

im not even talking about breakpoint

[untold widget]

it sort of does, but again it's not mandatory

[severe folio]

you literally saying its killing enemies you arent attacking

[echo turtle]

Even just causing 50% health damage will turn a non killing blow, into a kill

[severe folio]

and im telling you its not

eh

thats a waste of a point

[echo turtle]

Run what you want, I run wildfire and I am crushing maelstroms with it solo Q'ing

[severe folio]

to, get an enemy down to 50 health

and we are talking about poxwalker

[echo turtle]

K thanks for the advice I disagree

[severe folio]

also, its not every enemies getting 4 blaze

[untold widget]

And again, that's 4 stacks PER DEATH with wildfire

if lots of stuff starts dying, it chains

so it does help

[severe folio]

okay, Calliope explain to me how do you think wildfire work

[untold widget]

but it's not required for a build to function

[stuck bridge]

i was thinking that as well, my old build had it

[untold widget]

when something dies with soulblaze, it transfers up to 4 stacks around it

[stuck bridge]

this is partially adapted from the "surge staff sucks" time

[echo turtle]

It's very strong

Surge staff sucked for about 4 days

[severe folio]

how does it transfer

[untold widget]

aoe burst

[stuck bridge]

yes and i had to go the build that utilized true aim n stuff

[severe folio]

ill give you a scenario, an enemy has 10 soulblaze died with 10 enemies around him

[stuck bridge]

but ty

[severe folio]

how does wildfire work

[untold widget]

each enemy gets 4 stacks

[severe folio]

okay, you are wrong Calliope

4 enemies get 1 stacks of soulblaze

[void fulcrum]

[severe folio]

that is how wildfire spread

[fading iris]

Everything in the Psyker talent tree is good, that's why I run without using any talent. just use the best curios 3 times.

[severe folio]

it transfer out up to 4 soulblaze on all enemies

[untold widget]

well, 10 enemies would get 1 stack then

[severe folio]

so if the desd enemies has more than 4, it still only transfer 4

no calliope

only 4 enemies

not 10

[untold widget]

or 2 would get 4, and one would get 2

[severe folio]

No

it always try to even out

if theres 2 enemies next to it, then each enemy get 2

[untold widget]

so then 10 enemies get 1 stack

[severe folio]

if theres 1 enemy, then that enemy get 4

[stuck bridge]

do i still want psychic vampire or go in fire reborn

[severe folio]

but if there are more than 4 enemies, it can only transfer up to 4 enemies

[echo turtle]

What you fail to realize is it can result in a few stacks getting loaded onto specials, which will take them to 8-9 after a vent from 6 which is significantly more, it always weakens the stuff you didn't catch with vent, making clearing much easier with the staff

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[severe folio]

with 1 soulblaze each

[untold widget]

that's not how it reads

[echo turtle]

I run it with surge

[severe folio]

its not how its read

[echo turtle]

With surge in my experience in Aurics, it's great

[severe folio]

But this is how it work

[potent echo]

Yeap

[severe folio]

This is why we have been trying to tell everyone why wildfire is bad

now heres a worse scenario

[untold widget]

"They cannot gain more stacks than the dying enemy had" doesn't mean only 4 stacks get transferred

[severe folio]

what happened if, an enemy die with 10 soulblaze, while another enemy next to him has 4 soulblaze

oh no, it means even worse

[echo turtle]

No it's true, the way it handles transferring stacks is shitty

[fading iris]

I'm stuck on a loop of pets on a cute cat from the warp send help

[severe folio]

it means, if an enemy who already has more than 4 soulblaze get affected by wildfire

[echo turtle]

But it softens up hordes and gets a few stacks on stuff before I vent

[severe folio]

they dont go above 4 stacks

[untold widget]

then they need to reword the ability

[severe folio]

they need to reword or fix it

[echo turtle]

On the high difficulties, I see the stacks spread a lot, so I am keeping it

[severe folio]

i doubt its actually spreading more than a matchstick worth

[echo turtle]

Venting and getting something to 6 stacks, deals significantly less than wildfire getting 2 stacks onto something first.

[manic halo]

ye columnus is ammazing