psyker-class

[frail sand]

finally got a blazing illisi to play around with

[spice veldt]

basically just ranged immunity by just spamming dodges

since even now you can just stand in the open spamming efficient dodges

[ornate hamlet]

instead it's gay down

[echo turtle]

I found it was very underwhelming due to the fact it killed enemies before spreading the fire

[severe folio]

if it work it also mean EE dodging for 1.5 seconds right ?

[woeful patio]

I misread

[frail sand]

i just wanted one for memes

[woeful patio]

Should be such

[waxen abyss]

I hope the dueling sword stays viable forever

It’s so fun

[severe folio]

what do you mean

[echo turtle]

Yeah same, it just never really made an impact

[spice veldt]

empathic evasion has its own duration

anticipation is about the iframes you get when you dodge using spacebar

[ornate hamlet]

Me when the poxwalker dies on the first attack instead of surviving 25 so I can properly stack the DoT that will kill it in a timely manner

[severe folio]

ah anticipation dont affect EE ?

[frail sand]

need to come up with a tree for blazing illisi

[severe folio]

damn

[potent echo]

Nope

[severe folio]

then even if they fix anticipa i wouldnt use it

[waxen abyss]

Did my veteran and Ogryn contracts to return to my psyker and my levels of fun with the duelist saber just can’t compare to anything else

[spice veldt]

i'd run anticipation if its effect was as it says on the box

[severe folio]

does zealot have something like anticipation

i think they do

[spice veldt]

so that I can be even more of a dumbass into ranged patrols

[ornate hamlet]

Swift certainty

[spice veldt]

they have +dr on dodge

no i-frame stuff

[potent echo]

They have toughness Regen on dodge,

[severe folio]

i see

[ornate hamlet]

Oh wait, that's the dodge

[severe folio]

they dont have EE ?

[spice veldt]

oh yeah +toughness on dodge

they have CDR/bleed/DR on crit

[potent echo]

They have +DR on crit

[severe folio]

i see

very rip

[potent echo]

Also those yea

[severe folio]

we got a very good zealot skill

[echo turtle]

They have a DR and toughness on successful dodge

[potent echo]

Nah their 40% DR is much better

[severe folio]

we get dodge on crit while zealot can crit on command

[potent echo]

Lasts 4 seconds

[ornate hamlet]

With only the top right part of the tree you already have nutty survivability

🐐 ‼️

[echo turtle]

Well sort of

The toughness pool is very small

[potent echo]

You can really keep it up forever

[echo turtle]

And IMO you need a health curio to get enough HP to not die to a single burster when you are down a wound

Meaning, even with all the Regen, the toughness pool is still quite small

[potent echo]

Yea you do need health to avoid dying to sniper/burster

[pine nova]

what is the difference between smite left click and right click?

[potent echo]

Left click is shitty right click

[echo turtle]

I think you need 200 HP to take a burster and not drop a wound

[potent echo]

No diff in damage etc

[echo turtle]

Something like that

[spice veldt]

if it's the same numbers as patch 12, then yeah 200 hp

since 50 corruption if hit by the inner radius

[potent echo]

Stacking toughness is nice and dandy until you start getting hit by bursters and snipers

[severe folio]

the fact that damage can bleed through toughness in this game is kind of ass

no toughness gating mechanic

[echo turtle]

I was just testing it after dying in a game to a burster from behind. At a bit over 200 HP a burster deals the majority but not the entirety of a wound worth of damage

[spice veldt]

i like that it can bleed through

[severe folio]

i dont like that it can bleed through

[potent echo]

It's required, otherwise there really is no consequence

[spice veldt]

esp now that you can just grab all of the toughness regen

maybe in patch 12 where it was more precarious on certain classes

[echo turtle]

I think it's actually a good system, the bleedhtrough

[severe folio]

it would have been really useful for squishy class like psyker if it doesnt bleed through

[potent echo]

BUT yellow bar removes all that consequence

Stupid fatshark design

[echo turtle]

As the chip damage is only in melee

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, psyker breathes toughness

and you don't have much of a reason to go too hard anyways

[severe folio]

you would have if theres no bleed through mechanic

could just survive on toughness regen like some horde shooting, looting and robbing game

[echo turtle]

If there was no nleedhttouhj, everyone would max out toughness and toughness regen

[spice veldt]

and I heard that vt2's temp hp system became problematic

[severe folio]

(warframe payday)

[potent echo]

No bleed through is just vt2 temp hp

[echo turtle]

The temp health was awful

[potent echo]

No consequence

[spice veldt]

and we do have a mild gating mechanic

you get 82.5% ranged damage reduction on toughness break

with a cooldown and duration that varies depending on the difficulty

[potent echo]

So to balance cata, you die in 3-4 shanks by horde lmao

[echo turtle]

The system right now makes HP, toughness and stam all worth considering. I personally feel it's a really good system

[spice veldt]

(shotgunners ignore this mechanic)

[potent echo]

It's really dumb

[echo turtle]

Currently running one of each curio

[frail sand]

i hate when shotgunners stagger their shots

[spice veldt]

the stagger you get when your toughness break is very annoying though

[echo turtle]

Shotgunners are the real final boss

[potent echo]

I get destroyed by crusher overhead because I stepped into a small puddle of fire

[frail sand]

that and the gunners that keep beaming u point blank

[echo turtle]

Block efficiency, stam, kinetic deflection

[potent echo]

Imagine early shotgunner which had ZERO ranged damage falloff

[spice veldt]

overheads ignore your block

no matter how much stamina/peril you have

[potent echo]

The realest enemy

[echo turtle]

I was there...3000 years ago

[spice veldt]

you also can no longer tank crusher overheads as psyker, as far as I can tell

I don't think you can get enough hp/toughness to do so

[echo turtle]

Do they?

Come to think of it I was testing that with Dclaw parrys

[potent echo]

Ask your friendly vet to give a shout

[spice veldt]

dclaw parry can parry unblockables yeah

[severe folio]

can parry the overhead

[potent echo]

But that's Dclaw

[severe folio]

dclaw is just built differently

[echo turtle]

Yeah, fair. I just assumed it would work with the force sword but hadn't tried it

[potent echo]

Forceswords don't have a parry

Unless

New MK forcesword with peril parry

[frail sand]

force claw when

[spice veldt]

where's my catachan force sword

[echo turtle]

If we get a force sword that can parry that would be amazing, never gonna happen tho I bet

[severe folio]

force claw would go hard 🔥

i would love that

[echo turtle]

I mean, the dueling sword can't parry

And if all things that should...

[woeful patio]

Wouldn’t a parry defeat the entire purpose of a force sword?

[severe folio]

actually they dont even need to release a force claw, do you know what they should do

allowing us to customize special attacks on all melee

that way everything is interchangeable

[potent echo]

Rapiers don't really parry, that's why they were paired with bucklers

[echo turtle]

Or with a dagger/sword breaker

[potent echo]

They can only parry if your opponent was also using a rapier, since both are so thin

[woeful patio]

Bro gimme a force rapier with a buckler

[potent echo]

You definitely can't parry a longsword

[severe folio]

should let all melee pick between force, parry or stagger hit

on their melee

[woeful patio]

Are you implying being able to customize our weapons??

What is this COD

[severe folio]

customize out special attacks

[woeful patio]

I completely agree though

[severe folio]

imagine parrying with dagger

[potent echo]

Deimos stab with illisi activation

[severe folio]

utterly useless

[potent echo]

Strongest weapon

[woeful patio]

Bro Parry with Obscuris might actually make it viable

[severe folio]

deimos with parry stab

[woeful patio]

So would we be able to keep the warp imbue? Or replace with parry

[severe folio]

actually everyone would just hover to the parry

[potent echo]

Either that or change the push attack to parry

[severe folio]

since its way better for everything compare to stagger or force

[woeful patio]

Ooooo that could be cool

Push attack to parry

What’s the punish though

[echo turtle]

Would be cool, but it's moot as FS will never do it

[severe folio]

stamina

as it always has

[woeful patio]

Gooooood

[severe folio]

parry do cost stamina

like right now

[woeful patio]

As it should

[potent echo]

Peril/stam

[woeful patio]

(I haven’t touched anything that isn’t a force sword in a year)

[severe folio]

kinetic deflection affect parry

[echo turtle]

It does yeah

[severe folio]

no it doesnt

[woeful patio]

Que

Why would it

[echo turtle]

Pretty sure I was using it and it went on perils first

[potent echo]

We were saying mind in motion quell should give DR or stagger resist so that you can weave it in while fighting shooters

[severe folio]

let me test

[echo turtle]

Unless I was terribly mistaken

[severe folio]

if it doesnt affect im eating youe eyeballs

[echo turtle]

Kk

[severe folio]

last chance to correct yourself

[echo turtle]

Naw go for it

I recall testing the Dclaw and my perils ramping up

[severe folio]

IT DOES

WHAT THE FUK

[echo turtle]

I was considering just using the Dclaw instead, but I liked how deflector could also block ranged and I also like the force push so I decided to try the illisi again for a while

Yeah it's good on psyler

Psyker

[severe folio]

KINETIC DEFLECTION DOES MAKE PARRY COST PERIL

[echo turtle]

With a lil stam, and some block efficiency your Dclaw can parry forever

[potent echo]

Parry god psyker

[echo turtle]

You can solo any boss

[severe folio]

oh my god

[echo turtle]

But can't block bullets like a force sword

[timid pond]

For the warp Battery challenge if I get the 6 chargers do I need to keep it at 6 or just keep it above 4

[severe folio]

you wont have to block bullets

[echo turtle]

Though, with empathic evasion, a Dclaw would be fine

[thorn cedar]

Parry the boolets

[severe folio]

if you keep attacking youll crit

and EE it

parrying bullets would be a crazy psyker thing 😭

it would make melee psyker a reality

[potent echo]

I think you need 6, could be wrong

[echo turtle]

You're saying as a psyker I can block bullets?

No Varlet, I'm saying when you're ready, you won't have to..

[severe folio]

just use your melee for literally everything

melee, ranges

monst

[woeful patio]

Early Access 🥴

[echo turtle]

I'll give Dclaw a try again, how are you proc'ing empathic? Just spamming surge / purge with warp Nexus or what

[potent echo]

You need shred probably

[frail sand]

what tree would u run blazing illisi with?

[timid pond]

Ok was just confused cause it says you need to be at max chargers but I didn’t know if 4 was technically still the max charge

[woeful patio]

Left?

I’d assume you want wildfire

[echo turtle]

Probs left for the fire abilities, then grab shield or something so you can win games still lol

[potent echo]

I done that challenge in December last year no clue how any of it works now

[woeful patio]

Kinda wish Fire stacks did a bit more with Blazing Spirit

[echo turtle]

It might be ok with shred, paired with scriers to proc tons of crits

[potent echo]

Shred scriers probably yea

Shred rampage/sweep

[severe folio]

shred savage sweep will be very consistent

[echo turtle]

Problem is it only procs if the enemy isn't killed by the strike

If it procced first it would be a lot better

[potent echo]

It actually kills infested and unarmored really well, but struggles against flak

[severe folio]

or scrier, rampage and sweep

then you are just walking menace

[echo turtle]

Could be a really fun build

[severe folio]

critting sweeping with that 85% damage

[desert mirage]

is this a good blessing

[echo turtle]

No

[potent echo]

Yesn't

Slaughterer is much better

But this works against bosses better

[frail sand]

wait so get rid of blazing spirit entirely?

[desert mirage]

I still havent found a blazing spirit

[woeful patio]

No rush tbh

[potent echo]

You shouldn't run blazing spirit ever

[frail sand]

[severe folio]

guys wtf is this

[woeful patio]

It’s definitely got cool factor

[echo turtle]

Dclaw without the hand cannon bug doesn't pack the punch it did prior, What staff would you run with it?

[severe folio]

something single target, or guns

[woeful patio]

Skaven leftover

[echo turtle]

Nurgles blessing

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wiggler-dance-gif-11491605

[woeful patio]

Wigglers wouldn’t worship nurgle

[echo turtle]

Surge maybe eh?

I could see it being decent in a surge build

[woeful patio]

Khorn maybe

[potent echo]

Dclaw revolver assail scrier

[foggy breach]

aahh she killed it!

[severe folio]

yeah

[echo turtle]

Tentacle appendages are typical of nurgle

[woeful patio]

STAMINA WHILE WEAPON ACTIVE

God tier

That’s a keeper

It’s even T4

[potent echo]

Unarmored and flurry then it's golden

Even better since unarmored is a flex slot you can change it to maniac once they "fix" the "bug"

[woeful patio]

Definitely salvageable

[echo turtle]

Maniac imo

To deal with specialists

[woeful patio]

I see ragers in my dreams

Maniac all the way

[foggy breach]

question is is ti better than this

[potent echo]

Ew unyielding

[woeful patio]

That’s tough

[echo turtle]

Unyielding is a dead perk

So yes

[potent echo]

Take the other one

[woeful patio]

Blessings are pretty good though

[potent echo]

Surge doesn't do jack to unyielding, and you really don't want to surge bosses

[foggy breach]

epic

[potent echo]

Against bulwark you surge to open them up then melee

[echo turtle]

Great staff

[foggy breach]

it actually does a good amount of damage because surge now ignores boss ranged damage resist

[potent echo]

Is it better than a duelly4 tho

[foggy breach]

i don't have duelly4 and it hits them at range so maybe?

[shadow oar]

Hey heavy sword enjoyers

Does anyone know if height makes a big diff for deathblow

[spice veldt]

psyker's arms are too weak

on the mk9, probably not

[frail sand]

idk came up with this for blazing illisi. lol, lmao even

[shadow oar]

I think being shortest height makes it harder to hit heads

[spice veldt]

if nothing else, there's a mod to change your height server-side to test it out

[shadow oar]

I think I’m gonna do a test

[potent echo]

BR EP

[shadow oar]

Idk if it’s just feeling but it feels like a slight disadvantage to be slightly shorter than chaff

[frail sand]

I legit don't know what to take with blazing illisi

[spice veldt]

i have my characters set to max height primarily for looking over hordes, but there probably is a benefit for melee hitboxes

[shadow oar]

Wait a sec

[potent echo]

It is much harder to lineup headshots with voidstrike when short yes

[shadow oar]

This is psyker lmfao

[spice veldt]

😔

[shadow oar]

I meant to ask in zealot

[clear heath]

imagine being minimum height and having to reach the apex of your jump to melee a plague ogryn head

[potent echo]

Sike

[echo turtle]

I would just do a creeping flames build and bring the illisi

[shadow oar]

Oopsies

[cosmic sigil]

it's zealot chat 2 here

[frail sand]

this is force zealot

[echo turtle]

Maybe wait until you have bloodthirsty and commit to the bit then

[potent echo]

Creeping flames alr does horde control so your illisi is just backup

[frail sand]

let me check I think I can swap out shred for bloodthirsty

[echo turtle]

Bloodthirsty is the way to go imo, if you wanted to do a shred sword and not do charge attacks deimos is better

Imo

[frail sand]

unfortunately blazing spirit only procs on one enemy right

[echo turtle]

It's everything you hit with the sttack

[potent echo]

I think it's everything, but they must survive the attack

[frail sand]

oh

[potent echo]

Which they wont

[echo turtle]

It just doesn't proc when you kill it

[frail sand]

[echo turtle]

Which is the problem with the blessing

[potent echo]

Since its a crit activation

So it's kinda pointless other than miniscule dps against elites

[frail sand]

aaand shred is the locked slot, ggs

[echo turtle]

It doesn't matter all that much

[potent echo]

If you want firesword I rather go shred and spam lmb

[rigid rune]

Surge+smite/creeping works well enough

[potent echo]

No point doing activation since nth will survive it

[echo turtle]

Yeah, it's an extremely good build

[potent echo]

Yea it covers all angles

DRG taught me that a balanced loadout is a W loadout

Who needs team if you can cover everything

[echo turtle]

I think the only build that has higher output is maybe a void spam build if your team can keep stuff off you so you can spam the bowling balls

I've deal more flame damage with the surge creeping flames than purgatus psykers in games

[woeful patio]

If you cleave it will proc

[potent echo]

That's because they scuff their own purg by taking shield/assail

[woeful patio]

On Auric Damnation(basically all I play) standard chaff will die if they’re the first hit, but the 2nd on will light ablaze allowing you to spread the fire

[echo turtle]

Vent isn't great with purge as purge doesn't ramp peril very much

[woeful patio]

Same with standard Damnation

[potent echo]

That's why you roll your purg like me, 40% resist

And you don't take the peril resist talent for warpcharges too

[echo turtle]

Yeah

Could work well enough, purge channeled fire deals more.damage now right?

[potent echo]

But venting is invaluable to kill entrenched stacks of shooters which purg doesn't do super well

[frail sand]

i think im just gonna run surge/smite/vent with this illis and see how it goes

[echo turtle]

You'll do fine

[frail sand]

im sure i will regret it

[echo turtle]

And probably never use the illisi

[frail sand]

too real

[echo turtle]

Running that build I only pull out the illisi to block and reposition

[potent echo]

Surge with smite you might actually need the illisi

[echo turtle]

Almost never need to actually fight with it

[potent echo]

Surge with assail I never use melee at all lmao

[echo turtle]

With vent you can delete hordes

[frail sand]

so i basically just spam lmb with illisi right

[echo turtle]

Ramp peril, vent every 15 seconds, bye bye hordes

[frail sand]

just so they dont insta die

[potent echo]

For maximum fire meme yes

[frail sand]

[potent echo]

For effectiveness uh..

Could be worse

Could be a bleed knife

[frail sand]

i mean a max bleed knife clears out trash fast enough

[potent echo]

No

It really doesnt

[frail sand]

[fading iris]

[echo turtle]

You would be surprised, spam a lacerate knife into a horde and it dies p fast

[frail sand]

u might get carpal tunnel, but yeah

[potent echo]

Yea fight 50 poxwalkers and the psyk and see how long it takes

[fading iris]

the combat knife has a nice skin in the store rn

[potent echo]

Vs an illisi or even a duelly

[rigid rune]

no thanks 🙂

[frail sand]

wait this is normal maelstrom?

the auric one seems easier

[fading iris]

What in the God Emperor's name is that modifier lol

[potent echo]

I think that's just an auric mission

Nvm

[woeful patio]

Do it COWARD

[potent echo]

Wait isit?

[rigid rune]

It's just an auric

malestrom is spec waves + nurg blessing

[echo turtle]

I use to run it and it was ok, not amazing but ok. I have a zealot that runs flesh tearer and it melts hordes, but that's just objectively better

[fading iris]

You will need your best shield for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTnFsuFSKVg

[potent echo]

Yea it's just regular auric stuff, if you quick play enough you get used to it

[echo turtle]

I feel like psyker has better options rn. Dueling sword, Dclaw illisi

[frail sand]

yeah maelstrom rn has tamer modifier than that lul

[fading iris]

But the cool skin

[frail sand]

I should take the slab shield but place it parallel to sniper's direction

so people get a false sense of security

that or i will bring smoke nades

[fading iris]

[potent echo]

Smoke nades are so fun

[fading iris]

"Player created modifiers"

[potent echo]

That's called quickplay

[frail sand]

reminder it's already ventilation purge

[woeful patio]

Player created modifier would be a lobby forced with 3 zealots

[frail sand]

a bit more smoke surely won't hurt

[fading iris]

so quickplay + smoke grenade = Player created Auric missions

[severe folio]

this loadout config is a life saver in testing weapons

[fading iris]

Hey, siblings smarterer than me I need opinions (btw, I had to put the first print too because I managed to take a print on the split second that the UI was loading when I opened it )

[rigid rune]

left is better 👍

[foggy breach]

[real]

[woeful patio]

Not terrible

PERSONALLY I’d want at least 370 though

May as well see what you roll on it though

[potent echo]

Let hadron have a go at it

[viscid matrix]

very nice one, you can use that for mixed horde clearing, or Flame Illisi, or Deflector build

[woeful patio]

Mommy Hadron

[thorn cedar]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BadAthleticFennelPastaThat-_6aYf2EBFthXf1pv

[woeful patio]

🤨

Not even an actual embed

[viscid matrix]

any of these 3 are good

[viscid matrix]

[woeful patio]

Not worth

[worldly iron]

Siblings, Blessing and Perks wise are these good?

[woeful patio]

That’s

Ideal I’d argue

[viscid matrix]

yep, those are the only good options

[woeful patio]

Very good

[foggy breach]

thats a very nice surge

[woeful patio]

Stellar surge

[worldly iron]

Thank you siblings

[foggy breach]

flak would also be an option but carapace works good

[worldly iron]

Crushers are very painful

[foggy breach]

true

but most specials/elites are flak

[viscid matrix]

maybe Flak instead of carapace, if you would rather deal with the weaker armour instead with surge, and use a melee for crushers

[foggy breach]

^

[worldly iron]

or other players handle crushers

[viscid matrix]

dueling sword MK IV can 2 shot a crusher

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[thorn cedar]

I no longer stand near that door.

[paper loom]

I'm trying smite I noticed even after reaching 100% I don't explode is this a bug?

[thorn cedar]

Nope, it's for your own safety.

[paper loom]

Sorry wdym?

I thought the idea was not to hit 100

[fading iris]

on smite that isn't a bug

[thorn cedar]

You can pretty easily hit 100% with loads of shit and be fine.

Every peril based skill has their own threshhold for safe casting.

I do not have them all memorized. 96% is the easy benchmark for the majority of things.

You can toss an Assail out at 99% and not explode.

It's casting at 100% that kills you.

[spice veldt]

an intended feature of smite, presumably because of the continuous nature of it

you can still suicide if you do an RMB cast at 100%, but that requires a bit more intentionality

[solar sand]

i know pyskers are strong but like, why do i usually double near everyone else in damage?

[potent echo]

Assail / voidstrike?

[solar sand]

purge BR

but i always top damage

like always

[severe folio]

rather pick focus channeling

very rough being interrupted

💯

[spice veldt]

cuz pub players

[severe folio]

soulblaze more enemies than other class can

[potent echo]

Yea pub players lmao

[warped perch]

Eye sea u

[spice veldt]

hi stan

[severe folio]

imagine 50 enemies being burn at the same time while no one bother them

thats damage ramping up for you

[spice veldt]

pub players having bad builds/weapons/skills

[potent echo]

If they sit around doing nothing you will swallow the entire horde HP with your purg lol

[warped perch]

[spice veldt]

good builds and weapons do make a decent difference

[warped perch]

Jk arco

[spice veldt]

i cri

[warped perch]

I knew you would say that

[spice veldt]

:(

[warped perch]

[solar sand]

even on like, not good builds ill top damage, hell even my shitty vet i usually top damage

are people just bad at this game?

[spice veldt]

yes

[warped perch]

It’s weird not seeing you as Doughy Bell Katie Archie

[potent echo]

Also ew the pubs didn't even take any plasteel, horrible

[spice veldt]

so you're missing that name

gotcha

[warped perch]

What

[potent echo]

Er yea

Shouldn't be a surprise though

[solar sand]

im lvl 91 on my pysker

ill be with like 200+ and go even or hit top damage

[potent echo]

Like chocoB needs to play with total jobbers so he can showcase his builds

[spice veldt]

if only high levels correlate to good performance

could be running suboptimal builds and whatevs

on my vet, I have a build basically specced for hishock and that's all I'm playing currently

[potent echo]

Playing too conservatively etc

[fading iris]

Imagine being good at the game, I'm just here to be bad

[spice veldt]

that too

[potent echo]

Looking at you Pacific central 👀

[spice veldt]

I'm an extremely aggressive player so it's easy for me to rack up damage

[warped perch]

I just ran a game in carnival where every other teammate had only done ~150k damage up to the last event lol

I was sweating so hard trying to keep things together lol

[spice veldt]

players not trading toughness and sitting in the back 😔

[warped perch]

On a high shock

[potent echo]

Some players see a wall of shooters and just give up lmao

[fading iris]

On Carnival, only ringing the bell matters.

[potent echo]

Yea ogryns hiding behind the psyker

Disgraceful

[spice veldt]

the tutorial really should just straight up say that you get ranged i-frames

that would probably make a lot of people less scared once they see the world "i-frames"

[warped perch]

The tutorial should say knife revolver psyker is the best

[paper harbor]

How useful Psykinetic Warth is?

[potent echo]

Like venting shriek? Or the original one

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/686867704543445113.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

[paper harbor]

generally

[warped perch]

[potent echo]

Venting shriek is the best ability in the game hands down

Offensively at least

[spice veldt]

(not biased)

[potent echo]

No bias

[warped perch]

Mankar gave me his purg build and it’s nice, got me thru the game with the low damage pigs

Pigs

[fading iris]

I don't care about scorenumbers, I just want to have fun my coherency is mine, you are just riding on it

[warped perch]

Cars

Pugs

Jeez

[potent echo]

Pigs

[spice veldt]

only took you 3 attempts

[fading iris]

Cars

[spice veldt]

very rude stan you can't just call them pigs

[fading iris]

how we went from pigs to cars

[warped perch]

I DIDNT MEAN TO

MY PNONE SOCKS

PHONE SUCKS

[spice veldt]

why would your phone do this to you!!!!!!!!!

[potent echo]

Evidently

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[warped perch]

I cri

[paper harbor]

I still like how useful knock houds pouncing one team on upper floor

[warped perch]

What is your pfp

[fading iris]

Bro started to speak in low gothic

[potent echo]

A game

[warped perch]

I’m trying to soak Arco’s dialect

Speak

[fading iris]

[bold maple]

had a barrel knock 3 people off the map at the end of a run lmao

[spice veldt]

dreyko?

[fading iris]

[warped perch]

Was arco playing by any chance

Sounds like him

[spice veldt]

wtf

this is slander

[solar sand]

i love joining damnations in progress with <30

[unreal axle]

never know though, once had a level 26 brute that was a true anchor to the team and a very competent solid teammate, run went great.. granted, it wasn't an in progress one but we started out with him :P

[potent echo]

Maybe a level 5000 vet finally playing ogryn

[warm ledge]

Guys I failed the emperor after it spawned a horde on a monstrosity. Such a shame 😞

[woeful patio]

Happens tbh

Better to fall to overwhelming circumstance than to your own misgivings like a single crusher

[idle bay]

It's not important. Important is to you to keep having fun playing, failure or success - does not matter 🙂

[bold maple]

I'll take lv 20 teammates in damnation over console players tbh

holy fuck console players dont know how to block and dodge

[severe folio]

console mater race

[idle bay]

"consoles matter"

[spice veldt]

pc players can also be questionable

[idle bay]

it an additional profit to keep lights on

[spice veldt]

both the psykers being PC players
the ogryn was gamepass/console

[idle bay]

Bad or very bad or horrbly bad - he have to play side by side with console players.... Just never switch to thier view when on spectator mode... that slow turning is unnerving

[severe folio]

idk if i have been playing with console players

but yeah every players are horrible

people need to SWAP MORE

get in cover more

shoot more

too often most of the time its issue when people dont know what to prioritize and die

cant decide when to melee, when to shoot, when to stay back, when to look behind

[spice veldt]

i'm at the point where I just stack all of the toughness/regen that I can since most players don't trade their toughness much, so I don't feel their lack of presence too much

[severe folio]

im at the point wher i want to uncanny strike my teammates

[spice veldt]

i'm just sticking to difficulties that I can consistently clear for now to avoid frustration

miss me with that monstrosity maelstrom

[severe folio]

what is your consistent clear difficulties

[spice veldt]

hishock

[fading patrol]

1k damage on all 3 teammates 👀
Did you put sandbags as teammates

[severe folio]

i wish i could do that but i still need plasteel and diamante

[spice veldt]

the psykers aside, the ogryn was pretty good

[severe folio]

so i have to consistently roll into damnation

[spice veldt]

stayed alive and had good game sense

I think he was also holding off on using his rumbler

the other two psykers were depressing

[potent echo]

Tbh it's really hard to screw up ogryn

[spice veldt]

I have a columnus IAG/mk6 psword vet build that feels pretty specced for hishock

so it's not too bad for me

[ornate hamlet]

I got slapped by a crusher out of 3 and my group took two years to not kill any of them

One of them also died, the other ran out of ammo and a wave of hounds came

[severe folio]

deadass

[spice veldt]

ah yeah the special wave maelstroms too

[ornate hamlet]

Worst part was there was a window before the hounds where they had more than enough time to revive me

[severe folio]

AI director is being way too tactical with its timing

we arent playing against nurgle in darktide

[ornate hamlet]

I'm almost sure one of them said something about my marty build being a troll when I was the one who got into a match with like 3 wounds left out of the max amount

[idle bay]

And with stealth Pox Busters

[severe folio]

we playing against the Votann

its the Votann i swear

[ornate hamlet]

Because I'm to blame for the bot being shit and leaving me with shit health

[spice veldt]

the bursters really make you appreciate overshield

i habitually just tap F whenever I'm near a door

because miss me with that shit

[ornate hamlet]

Surprised we don't have poxburster resist

[severe folio]

you are not missed

its just not your time yet

see the AI director knows

[idle bay]

I avoid approaching the doors after few instant spawn and blow incidients.

[severe folio]

it knows when your mental guard is up

its luring you into a sense of security and accomplishment

its letting you win a few

secure a few

to keep you in its tempo of relief

and then when you are used to it, when you have instincts

its going to overthrown all the effort and all the knowledge you learnt

[spice veldt]

i have a bad memory, so I basically only remember where doors are when I'm right next to them

[severe folio]

yeah next time its going to spawn them BEHIND YOU

and when you learnt to check your back

[unreal axle]

apparently bomber resist is actually poxburster resist? I've seen several folks say that online

[severe folio]

its going to spawn them NEXT TO YOU

[potent echo]

No that's a lie

[severe folio]

the director is watching

its wtching even when your darktide is off

[wispy pike]

Bomber ready

[potent echo]

Kruber no

[idle bay]

Act chaoticaly - it messes up Director

[severe folio]

grenades out

[severe folio]

chaos is just another form of order

the director does not represent order

the director represent laws

and if anything has a law, it is the director

chaos are just opposite to order, chaos are just as much of a law as order

[cursive yew]

Truly is a sad day when the only way for me to survive a mission is to play my support psyker, im a noob without it lolol

[severe folio]

the director is going to make me lose my mind

im just a guinea pig in its lab

[grand abyss]

I want a deflector force sword. What other blessing/perks are great on one?

[severe folio]

uncanny

slaughterer

[idle bay]

Just let it go 🙂 And remember that you can provoce director to carry out spawns exactly as you expect them to be and at places you expect them to be

Spawn Director really is pushover

[foggy breach]

found my first person worth blocking and they're an antisemite

not exactly good at psyker either based on their scoreboard

[cursive yew]

The annoying ones are always the meh ones!

[idle bay]

If you combine knowledge of common spawn trigger areas on mission with knowledge of how director reacts to team standing in one place longer than difficulty specific time....

For example - common ambush spot ahead and special back spawn was some time ago. You can wait for next back spawn, deal with it and immidiate move forward to trigger the ambush - that way no special back spawn During the ambush

[shell radish]

why am I doing so much boss damage with the purg staff

[fading iris]

[grand abyss]

gonna run this for the hell of it for a bit until I get one with better perks or come across T4 slaughterer/deflector

[potent echo]

With uncanny/brittleness you do crazy damage

Maybe the ogryn had thunderous or the vet had onslaught

[severe folio]

soulblaze tick happens with uncanny

rending soulblaze

[lethal lagoon]

Emperor gave me this, should I just keep the blessings and reroll the perks? Flurry Rending is the combo, right?

I've never really bothered with rending shockwave before

[foggy breach]

That's a pretty good pair of perks yeah, flurry could be better but it's probably fine for noe

[lethal lagoon]

I don't really care about tier 3 or 4(except power cycler), I just wanna know if that's the standard blessing pairing for rending shockwave. Thanks.

[azure bridge]

what's a good force sword to pair with viodstrike staff?

[severe folio]

thats a de factor rending staff

[strong gulch]

Void is well round enough that you can comfortably take anything.

Imo, the weakest part of void is close range aoe. So, if we are specifically focusing on force swords, Illisi would be my pick.

[azure bridge]

10-4 lets hope teh one I just found rolls well

[strong gulch]

But dueling and knife is also fine.

[strong gulch]

Discord manifest 🙏

good blessing

[azure bridge]

indeed

and the stats look nice too

[strong gulch]

rip plasteel

[half iron]

got that atoma rizz

[azure bridge]

i'll go get more

and upgarde this

[idle bay]

But that 62% first target.....

[fair magnet]

sooooo fire staff and 10% random brainburst....whats everyone input

[idle bay]

It's classic combo

before patch 15 we don't have much to play around

[fair magnet]

crit chance aura and warpcharges in the same build?

[idle bay]

Critchance aura forces you to take the Wall

[fair magnet]

mmmmmm im fine with wall

[idle bay]

Just bare 1 wall with not extra investment to double wall or dome?

[fair magnet]

i can spare first dome

[idle bay]

Anyway. It's practically sensible build. Purgatus for close combat, BB to deal with long range and stop Crushers, Dome wall for safety measures. Should work fine. Now polish it with either Dueling Sword MK IV (for Crushers and maulers and ragers) or Deimos FS. Illsi do not make sense there - you already have great anti-horde in form of Purgatus

[solar sand]

hmmmm

[idle bay]

In Palpatine's voice "Do it!"

[fair magnet]

i think the deimos and the blessing that makes it so it blocks range fire may be good

yeah this build is sound

[idle bay]

Execcesive - just add Empathic dodge to your crit build and show middle finger to all shooters. And you already have wall or dome in case of heavy fire

[fair magnet]

with how my teams are? no i gotta go with blocking im trapped in hoardes due to teams not watching flanks doesnt mean i cant dodge though but we get locked down to much

[idle bay]

Twist around and spray 🙂 Imagine that you have team of tunnel-vision vets.

[cold mesa]

opinions on this for a tree? just picking up psyker again for melk stuff so intending to use it with trauma staff

[strong gulch]

First target has been bugged forever (doesn't apply to special). Maybe this or next patch it will change.

[idle bay]

I just realized that i need a Rangefinder mod installed to get better grasp of effective Purgatus distance...

[obtuse moth]

Random brain burst is terrible, the theoretical maximum dps is 66dps assuming you proc it on cooldown and none of it is wasted on overkill damage and it’s hitting a target you actually want to proc it on

[strong gulch]

No experience with smite + EP.

But trauma does build a lot of peril. So it might be too unwieldy to play this if you are not very good at managing peril. Trauma also has a lot of aoe and CC.

[cold mesa]

hmmm

yeah ngl, dunno what to take for my blitz

[idle bay]

Yeah Smite is not necessary at all when you have Trauma. CC is already covered by the staff. So damaging Blitz will make more sense, like Assail

[obtuse moth]

They’re all good with empowered psionics

[cold mesa]

yeah i feel like brain burst has the least synergy with my other choices, but does cover a niche

[strong gulch]

BB/ BR or assail are better picks. Warp siphon has peril resistance and cooldown in the modifiers for that keystone.

[cold mesa]

warp siphon?

[strong gulch]

But if you really want smite, you could pair it with creeping flames. Would have to give up bubble tho.

[strong gulch]

Left keystone

[cold mesa]

ah

[idle bay]

The choice between EP And Warp charges is : You enhance ONE ability that you may not use very often VS you get set of bonuses (damages/ less peril/ faster ability CD) that affect everything.

[idle bay]

But change from EP is so drastic that it makes it worth it

[potent echo]

EP is only worth it with assail imo

[severe folio]

and BB

but BB dont worth anything

[potent echo]

But with assail I rather take DD

[idle bay]

Assail (in current state) + EP = delete patrol, half of the shards you launch will be free because you slaying elites like paper.

[potent echo]

Yea EP BR is just hard mode

[strong gulch]

When I use smite, I don't even grab the blitz modifiers.

[severe folio]

wait

thats it

itll be the perfect sedition build

BB EP and Shriek

[potent echo]

Shriek is cheating

[idle bay]

With Warp Rapture ?

[potent echo]

Just pure BB, not even BR no

[severe folio]

what is warp raptur again

[strong gulch]

doodoo

[idle bay]

Sweet summer child ™ then you better not check it...

[potent echo]

Oh god

[idle bay]

too late...

[severe folio]

oh yeah that exist

[potent echo]

Literally never hovered over that

[obtuse moth]

EP is imo necessary if you run BR. The free cost alone is worth it because you can precast indefinitely with no peril cost, including canceling and restarting it (you don’t consume a charge if it’s not cast) but The speed makes it mandatory for me. The damage is a nice bonus

[potent echo]

I just read about it

[idle bay]

The sheer idiocy of Warp Rupture as a CHOICE is astonishing

[potent echo]

Devs really undervalue DoTs

Surely 6 stacks of blaze is equivalent to 200 damage

[obtuse moth]

The huge thing with EP is it doubles assail cleave from 3 to six targets

[idle bay]

They are probably was out of ideas and just putted something irrelevant to that skill choice

[strong gulch]

I run BR with blaze trauma and creeping flames and warp siphon, but BR is only there for when something runs behind a wall or a far off sniper that no one is getting.

EP + assail for sure tho

[potent echo]

I would have just made it like, becomes an aoe around you, and suppresses for 5 seconds

Like a banshee scream or something thematic and cool

[obtuse moth]

Would be interesting as a PBAoE that nukes and disables things close by and has huge falloff

[potent echo]

Make darktide VT2 again

Give us living bomb2

[obtuse moth]

Or just disorients everything and they be clutching their glowing heads

[idle bay]

I evaded using EP as much as i can. And then finally tried it with Assail + EP + Surge yesterday. Like bread and butter. Assail for mass deletion and horde thinning, Surge to stop Crushers. Worked like a charm.

[potent echo]

Make the psyker fart out a smokescreen

[obtuse moth]

Tbf you didn’t even need EP before the nerf

[idle bay]

Thing is that Extra CC /Better CC fits that skill slot. Since it already have Damage branching choice so logically CC choice should be there

[obtuse moth]

Maybe the opposite of ogyrn taunt, a fear

[potent echo]

Yea damage1 and damage2 is really not it

[potent echo]

All these amazing ideas

[idle bay]

But you know shark brains and logic and good game design are not ment for each other 🙂

[strong gulch]

"damage" vs damage

[potent echo]

If you play sedition it's really strong maybe

[idle bay]

Not enough to kill poxwalker

[plucky flax]

Sedition

[potent echo]

But actually no the damage falls off so

Huh.webm

[idle bay]

it have dramatic damage fall of over distance too (Warp Rupture)

[idle bay]

Your video of waiting proper surge fix motivated me to try out EP+ Assail, and i was not dissapointed 🙂

[plucky flax]

Imo assail is strongest with ep. Warp siphon or dd can't compared.

[idle bay]

And i combined it with Surge

I have Unyelding on it so bodyparts armor type do not bother me

[potent echo]

Do you dip into true aim or nah

[plucky flax]

No always tru aim with assail. Huge damage increase.

[idle bay]

And those purple trails....

[potent echo]

Yea understandable

[plucky flax]

You'd crit like every other shard.

[lethal lagoon]

Nothing like a happy little purple trail

[plucky flax]

And yeah the purple looks so good too.

[plucky flax]

Also synergies with perfect timing for more damage.

[storm pagoda]

is it worth changing the crit perk to something else on this or just upgrading maniac to 25?

[idle bay]

RMB Assail + EP + True Aim and you practically shooting penetrating Ogryn ROCKS 🙂

[solar sand]

fireshriek smite is pretty busted

600k damage and we never had any trouble

[lethal lagoon]

fireshriek smite getting stronger the more enemies there are is the busted part.

[idle bay]

Yeah, life is good. So many good options for build now. SO i;m scared that BRUTAL NERF incoming sooner or later

[lethal lagoon]

It just trivializes the game the harder the game tries to kill you. Goes agaisn't the very nature of a horde game honestly.

[fading iris]

[fading iris]

Don't worry, the big nerf for the new weapons on part 2 will come first

[severe folio]

they gonna nerf deimos next

[idle bay]

Only some random bullshit is that mostly make perfect run into fail. Because nornally party is just steamrolling.

[severe folio]

gonna take 3 stab to kill a mutant

[dim parrot]

hopefully there will not be any new nerfs

[plucky flax]

Pls don't touch assail further

[dim parrot]

indeed, they would probably destroy it if they nerf it again

[idle bay]

There were no more new post from forum Karens screeching about how they want nerf Assail because they don't like it. So Assail is safe for now

[plucky flax]

Tru there's no daily reddit post about assail ruining enjoyment anymore

[magic hull]

why would anyone want to nerf assail

[plucky flax]

Non psykers

[magic hull]

that checks out

[dim parrot]

they dont like yondu from guardians of the galaxy?

[plucky flax]

They don't understand the funny colourful rocks.

[glossy ember]

[magic hull]

skills issue, aim faster than the assails and youll be doing fine ☺️

[warm ledge]

Finally transcended all of my equipment

[idle bay]

Out of spite and too many Karen braincells over normal brain infected with logic: i don't like it = nerf it, screw other players.

[dim parrot]

💯

[plucky flax]

Also because when patch 13 came out all the bolter and autopistol vets migrated to psyker and spammed assail.

[idle bay]

Also about Assail - Guide more , spam less

[glossy ember]

tbh it was a good time to level a psyker to 30 effortlessly if you didnt have one

[solar sand]

still is, abilities so strong on them

[glossy ember]

for the achievement

[solar sand]

no need for high level item

[lethal lagoon]

99% of the time an Assail psyker is providing no benefit and is just killing the things I need to regen toughness. Assail's problems are a lot more obvious when you play all the classes.

[solid panther]

Be me
Psyker main since the beta

[magic hull]

you can literally roleplay revolver psyker with assail, sounds lore accurate to me

[idle bay]

Illogical others should not loose toughenss - because psyker killing everything 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

Except the stuff that's further away and shooting at us...

[dim parrot]

kill it with your gun then

[magic hull]

psyker has always been the haha, i do magic pew pew compare to the other class

[lethal lagoon]

He just killed the toughness checkpoints to that stuff and is now out of assail shots.

[solid panther]

Then shoot them first while the psyker gets the horde

[dim parrot]

fr

u have proper gun with more range use it!

[lethal lagoon]

Either memeing, or I'm not buying your "playing since the beta" lmao

I'm not here to peak in and out of cover for a 50 minute game lmao

[solid panther]

PFFFFFFFF

Man this aint call of duty

[solid panther]

Brother, when i was no longer limited to brain bust i was over the moon

[magic hull]

can you post that on forums so the devs wouldnt nerf it thanks

[dim parrot]

also the moment when u try to melee stuff as psyker, vet comes around and steals your kill, even if he sees u trying to melee it and then gets upset when u whip out assail and do the same thing to them

[lethal lagoon]

Vet and psykers will never get along, it's the rules.

[magic hull]

your rule, me and my vet vibe just fine

[lethal lagoon]

The worst part is pre-assail, psykers and Ogryn were best friends. Now they are literally killing their big buddies with assial.

[solid panther]

Veterans cannot COMPREHEND OUR IMCOMPREHENSIBLE MINDS!

[lethal lagoon]

Assail is largely dead in auric t5s though, never really needed a nerf, just a handcannon fix. And some sort of lvling scaling so it didn't fuck other people's lvling experience.

I never see it anymore in pubs

[obtuse moth]

weird

[magic hull]

i find assail to be nice counter range unit even in such auric high intensity mission though.

[lethal lagoon]

Just smite psykers who don't realize that spamming smite in every encounter is not a good thing 😆

Like it's just three bruisers, why are you smiting, just kill em.

[magic hull]

even though Vets should prioitize them, but most vet I see does dogwater job of taking out ranged units

[solid panther]

Well when a horde comes and you find yourself overwhelmed dont look at me for Crowd control

[bitter escarp]

I still see assail show up every now and them, and as a rule they almost always top damage unless there's another high damage potential class

[dim parrot]

fr

[glossy ember]

i'm cool with vets not prioritizing gunners, more warp stacks for me

[bitter escarp]

or they're way out of their depth in 5+ and die a lot

[magic hull]

Assail is basically a middle finger to you Vets, a way of saying "fine ill do it myself".

[glossy ember]

[magic hull]

Might not be the best but it helps

[solid panther]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I'll probably look at you when you get downed after getting hit in the back a few times by a random mob during your smite spam.

Also I love smite flaming shriek, so I'm not hating on the ability

Just the avg user of it.

[plucky flax]

Why u hating on assail

[solid panther]

So what do you want from a psyker? A useless single target burst character that is as squishy as eggyolk?

[magic hull]

fr my dude.

[lethal lagoon]

I don't even know what were arguing about honestly.

[glossy ember]

@plucky flax by the way, the guy that said surge is still strong doesn't use rmb. He uses a lmb spam + creeping flames build.
bro is unaffected by the issue

[bitter escarp]

to not impinge on vet egos basically

[solid panther]

You hating on basically everything a psyker has going for it

[lethal lagoon]

I'm hating avg psyker gameplay.

[solid panther]

You hate assail psyker
You hate smite psyker

[plucky flax]

I'd love to see his gameplay.

[solid panther]

Hate brainburst aswell?

[vale nacelle]

Smite flameshriek is pretty based when you hit the warp siphon/10% on soulblaze kill lottery.

[bitter escarp]

sentiment is really that psyker can be stronk support bitch, but don't go in vet's lane of killing things and making big numbers for pp raising

[lethal lagoon]

I literally said I love smite flaming shriek, and that was literally before our convo.

[obtuse moth]

lmb surge interesting

[magic hull]

your point was assail is useless, we disagree. If you dont even know what you are debating about (even though you initate it) at least justify your statement my guy.

[glossy ember]

he has run n gun, sprint efficiency and stamina on his staff

[obtuse moth]

that sounds fun

[plucky flax]

Bruh

[vale nacelle]

Based innovative gamer.

[glossy ember]

only uses rmb for stagger

[solid panther]

The veteran main has entered our realm of the warp and cannot comprehend it

[plucky flax]

If he does 600k damage left click spam every single game then I do 1000k with my trauma every game.

[glossy ember]

apparently does 700k-1m every match

[lethal lagoon]

"99% of the time an Assail psyker is providing no benefit and is just killing the things I need to regen toughness"

[orchid shadow]

You can always tell people who don't play Psyker as much. Psyker mains have their head on a swivel. Like a goddman owl.

[magic hull]

why are you rephrasing the same shit

[solid panther]

Exactly

[bitter escarp]

nah, assail psykers were helping vets for most of the rework era

if you killed things you'd get 30% extra toughness damage

[lethal lagoon]

Where did I say assail* was useless?

[bitter escarp]

can't have that

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not rephrasing anything

[solid panther]

the amount of times I do a 180 would make my Psyker vomit from disiness

[magic hull]

you said it has no benefit.

thats where i have to disagree

[lethal lagoon]

ASSAIL PSYKER

Holy crap bro, I even requoted for you

[glossy ember]

technically the best lmb cuz native crit rate but still seems a waste

[magic hull]

bruh, even if I main assail only its still beneficial ☠️

[solid panther]

Since when is Killing things in a game about Killing things no benefit?

Mad the warp has our backs and we kill more than puny lasguns

[harsh urchin]

it's terrible for other reasons, not because its dps is low wtf LOL

[lethal lagoon]

I'm literally a psyker main

[magic hull]

tried it on aura t5, im amazed. Assail is a based, talent standardized skill. And it can perform up to that stage. Compared to weapons you need to farm by chance and luck.

[solid panther]

You certainly dont sound like one

[umbral helm]

https://i.imgur.com/nOQB6C2.mp4

[magic hull]

he's corrupted by Chaos, inquisitor. This one over here.

[obtuse moth]

1000 damage /15 seconds is 66 damage per second. its math

[lethal lagoon]

For what, saying assial causes problems for your team, or that people who just smite spam every encounter aren't helping as much as they think?

[obtuse moth]

tons of weapons that are good at white rarity

columnus cough

[magic hull]

you still need to find it by chance

[obtuse moth]

no you dont

[lethal lagoon]

What?

[obtuse moth]

its called brunts armory

you can just spend 10k credits on any weapon

[magic hull]

a talent is unlocked by progress

[solid panther]

Yes, because anyone who has used either of those for any extended period of time knows that is not true

[obtuse moth]

open brunts, pick the second option

buy any weapon you want

as many as you want

[magic hull]

yeah, so but its still by chance 💀 im not saying its hard. Its still not predictable

[spice veldt]

at least for smite spam, that is annoying when they prevent enemies from bunching up

[obtuse moth]

its not by chance

at all

you can literally select every single weapon available for your class

[bitter escarp]

there's probably a meme assail user and meme smite spammer in mind for those categories

[obtuse moth]

at any time

[bitter escarp]

same way the meme zealot fears coherency like the meme vet fears switching to melee weapon

[magic hull]

yeah will it let me select my max stat.

no you still need to fucking roll for it

what is your point doofus

[bitter escarp]

so they're kinda caricatures rather than players you might see outright

[lethal lagoon]

Right, cause people have issues when it comes to self-awareness. Also, stop @ me if you aren't going to read a comment. Once again, I'm not talking about all smite use. Smite is great.

[umbral helm]

caveats in a discussion, on the internet? ridiculous

[magic hull]

I would thank the emeperor if runt bless me with a dream stat Voidstrike man. Been doing that for a while and im still having shit luck 🗿

my inventory is a dumptruck of trash staffs

[solar sand]

barely outdamaged the 527 purgatus pysker

[bitter escarp]

doesn't mean I'm reasonable, I'll bag on meme vets any chance I get

[umbral helm]

well of course, they deserve it

[azure bridge]

is this worth turning into a gold?

[magic hull]

i would say go for it.

[bitter escarp]

as a base weapon yes

[magic hull]

you have nothing to lose

[bitter escarp]

but don't get your hopes up

[azure bridge]

the mobility being so low isn't aproblem?

[magic hull]

not to a degree

[bitter escarp]

how many dodges are you getting?

[azure bridge]

5

[magic hull]

youll be fine.

[bitter escarp]

mobility is nice for quality of life but rarely a critical stat

[solid panther]

Bro what the hell are you on about, you started this conversation with a complaint about assail Psykers killing hordes and not ranged but then when they do they are providing no value

Same to peeps who smite for ‘no reason’ when smite literally stuns and makes them easy targets,

Also I @ who I want, that’s the reason the reply function exists in discord

[orchid shadow]

Oh, that's me as I'm still learning how to balance my usage since switching off of BB. I'll smite the whole room if think things are even remotely getting out of hand. 😛

[solar sand]

whats 5 of this, 500?

[lethal lagoon]

Not killing hordes, killing scattered enemies in between the team and the ranged enemies. Once again, 0 attempt at reading. What's the point of arguing with me?

[solar sand]

dont spam it just hold it down, ideally with firevent and its busted

[solid panther]

What’s the point of replying if you don’t read my responses either

Hell you aren’t even reading your own replies

[obtuse moth]

the point is what i said before, there are many weapons are good at base level, don't need optimised stats to be stronger than assail. ergo you don't need chance or luck

[umbral helm]

time and place for everything, you learn when to apply things with time. you also can't really be faulted for that learning process, either. I'll take effort from someone learning over someone being facetious and spiteful, refusing to.

[solar sand]

assail is strong cause its easy and fairly well rounded, but like any other pysker build beats it in any of the things it does

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, I just hold it down until there's breathing room. I feel like a magnet for ragers recently.

[obtuse moth]

actually you can reply to someone without @-ing them

[solar sand]

didnt mean to actually reply

[obtuse moth]

i just hold shift and click the reply icon, its a nice shortcut

[solid panther]

I know, I choose not to as why bother using that function then to begin with

[solar sand]

til

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think he was @ing me, it was just a reply. But I called it at an @

[magic hull]

do you not get my point. All weapons are good. Assail is unlocked by progress. It performed well for being a standardized skills. Don't change the topic into what is better than what because that isn't what im pointing at.

[solar sand]

i had better disc for a while and it was auto off

[bitter escarp]

as you pick up experience and judgement you'll also get a better feel for your windows too

[solar sand]

aside from crushers and such, usually "just use smite" is the answer

[bitter escarp]

when you're new to something you do it mechanically, almost by rote. it's part of the learning process

"noooo the recipe said 4 cloves of garlic"

[magic hull]

he's not entitled to cater @ding the other guys notification need.

[bleak tulip]

I legit dont get the problem everyone seems to have with assail, I play every class for weeklies and cant say ass ail ever annoyed me as much as bad loner zealots or having a second void psyker because we're both looking for the same bowling alley

[magic hull]

dude reply whoever the f he wants

[solar sand]

hate us cause they aint us (i dont use assail)

[lethal lagoon]

Loner zealots have comedic value though

[bitter escarp]

when I was playing with people in malice and below to keep them company

assail makes you feel like a sidekick

even in vanilla damnation, it can feel that way

[solar sand]

its annoying in like 3s, cause everything is just dead so no one gets to play, anything higher than that i couldnt care less imo

[solid panther]

Hell yeah

[bleak tulip]

I havent played 3s in like a year so okay

[solid panther]

If I need/ want someone’s attention I ping regardless what they want

[bitter escarp]

it's an important pipeline upwards though

[obtuse moth]

lmao, thats on you. an @-less reply is completely acceptable for keeping a chain of discussion and clarity. you can change or ignore your notifications if you don't like them

[solid panther]

Notification wise

[umbral helm]

I think I have one build that uses assail currently. I just use whatever I'm in the mood for

[bitter escarp]

3s being shitty kills the game, and it's probably also the most common difficulty for people who don't sweat about it

[bleak tulip]

I would actually love to see stats on difficulties played

[bitter escarp]

same

[lethal lagoon]

I'm guessing that's why there were so many fresh 30s in 5s and auric 5s.

[bleak tulip]

because the game sure isnt balanced around 3

[lethal lagoon]

Auric maelstroms were really bad for a while

[worthy dune]

Was doin insanely well on a hi int shock troop just to get killed by a barrel as the only other dude alive got hit by a trapper

[bleak tulip]

most shit is giga unbalanced on 3s

[bitter escarp]

and still people get clapped on 3s

[obtuse moth]

at least before auric, i think heresy and malice were played a lot more than damnation given how few mission board slots damnation was given in comparison

[bleak tulip]

I played 3's as level 1

thats the only time I played 3

[solar sand]

ill do 3 maels to chill but thats all ive ever touched them outside of leveling

[bleak tulip]

is sub lv 10

[solar sand]

and they are like, laughably easy

[orchid shadow]

My biggest issue now when using it is when there's another Smite user. Then it's a mini-game trying to figure out who's going to use it first.

[bitter escarp]

I don't enjoy 3s, but not all my gaming buds are as sweaty as I am

[bleak tulip]

êh you can just alternate with the other one

its nice

[solar sand]

with enough density its nice to have 2, as its near 100% up time on more targets

[bitter escarp]

and at that point it's a mental screensaver while we talk shit

[solar sand]

not needed, but not worthless

ideally i like 1 smite, and 1 purgatus

then 2 of whatever else

[umbral helm]

the group I do premades with occasionally likes to bring all of the same thing into a mission just to see how stupid it is in practice, like all 4 smite psykers or the last time we played we did all slab shield ogryns

[bleak tulip]

the bigger issue with the average smite user is that they overuse it so even when they quell and I smite for them they start smite again after :c

[bitter escarp]

I mean, as long as someone's doing it and you don't canadian yourselves to death while the ragers bear down on you

[zinc tartan]

Does Critical Bonus on a Surge Staff increase the chance that the attack will crit, or does it just increase the damage that a crit does?

[glossy ember]

both

[lethal lagoon]

You can inspect what any stat does btw

Oh wait, I wonder if that works the same on controller, never tried.

[zinc tartan]

If I am reading this right, then Critical Bonus only increases Critical Damage to the Primary and Secondary Attacks. The only Crit Chance bonus is to Melee attacks (which is pointless).

[glossy ember]

it's a typo

it affects ranged attacks

[solar sand]

the third to last patch, clarified that, though they forgot to update the text on things other than revolver

[bitter escarp]

classic fatshark tooltip

need to read critically but also not take it too literally

[zinc tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[bitter escarp]

because fuck knows how it actually works

then again sometimes you get cute unintended interactions

[lethal lagoon]

Crucian Roulette and then the later Handcannon bug both created some interesting builds.

I'm actually like the surge multi-limb stuff now that they fixed the random -50% damage

[zinc tartan]

Well I ask because a lot of guides are saying Critical Bonus on a Surge Staff is neccessary and others say its a dump stat because the Critical Damage bonus is so low its not worth it.

[lethal lagoon]

EP surge bug was no fun though lmao

Crit damage only affects the different between the base and crit. So it's a lot weaker than it seems.

Crit is also additive with itself, so more has less value the more of it you have.

[bitter escarp]

crucian roulette is a repeated problem child