psyker-class

[celest hedge]

i don't care anyway since with a good enough dodge distance, you can go -5 dodges and not really notice at all

#shovel gaming

[brave fiber]

I am getting bored of dueling tho so it’s def time for deimos

[celest hedge]

variety is good

[strong gulch]

Deimos sucks at building peril on it own. Hmm maybe deimos scriers build

[woeful patio]

Obscuris and Deimos should be able to spam the warp special like Illisi

[celest hedge]

i never really cared about building peril for the same of it

[woeful patio]

If nothing else but for consistency sake

[strong gulch]

Agree

[celest hedge]

deimos special I find is pretty fast to charge and let out, I think faster than the ch ainsword even

[olive ember]

The deimos special is the same as the obscures

Tho you rly shouldn’t ever be using the deimos special in general

[celest hedge]

and I forget if obscuris is any better than I haven't used it since like last december, I found the attacks on it to feel really bad to use

[olive ember]

Unless they changed something

[strong gulch]

I mean spam the charge of the special repeatedly like illisi. Not the attack.

[olive ember]

The force swords are the exact same iirc except illisi got a noticeable nerf cuz slaughterer

[celest hedge]

it's fast burst damage, good against armor, I think most things that get hit and live do get staggered afterwards too

[woeful patio]

The specials are great in a vacuum against heavily armored opponents

[strong gulch]

You can quickly chain the special charge on illisi and not on deimos.

[woeful patio]

But in a horde it’s a death sentence as you’re locked in place, can’t move, and can’t cut early

[strong gulch]

Yip

[woeful patio]

And the actual burst comes at the end

So you HAVE to finish it

[strong gulch]

Yip

[woeful patio]

And if you hit the wrong guy, tough beans

You’re now on the floor

[strong gulch]

Yee

[celest hedge]

wait, I thought illisi was just the power sword except for psyker and it cost peril to use

[strong gulch]

It's why the special is rarely used. (For deimos)

[woeful patio]

Yes but also no

It’s basically a power sword

Sure

[spice veldt]

their specials have fairly distinguished armour damage modifiers now

[kindred delta]

AHA

I got pick n' mix done

after nearly a year straight of trying intermittently

[celest hedge]

you hit the special and do big damage to big group of people

[brave fiber]

niceu

[woeful patio]

Congrats

Glad we could help

[kindred delta]

its one of the best psyker melees imo if you wanna balance CC with single target staffs and blitz

I did it with some randoms in a low more specialist heresy match

sure I died 3 times

but I got it done

now I just have to do malleus monstronum

[celest hedge]

dueling sword is my favor kind of horde clear melee, and psyker have access to devil claws which are goddamn insane to use

[kindred delta]

[brave fiber]

malleus monstronum is impossible because I can’t meet the requirements (I have no friends)

[woeful patio]

That’s the easiest one

Tbh

If you’re in the Mourningstar just ask randoms

[celest hedge]

it's not hard but you just need agroup of people willing to let you do it

[woeful patio]

Make sure one is Ogryn with shield

BB Daemonhost

Ezpz

[brave fiber]

dude I’m the type of person to email someone 8 times before calling them

[silk hawk]

just go heresy and use chat...

[brave fiber]

no

[celest hedge]

it does say only in a private game so can't do it in a pub anymore

[silk hawk]

oh.... thats sad

then do it with bots

on herecy...

[spice veldt]

no solo queue

[brave fiber]

Bots can’t not attack

[woeful patio]

Bots will attack

Can’t do it

And no true solo mode because game is not finished

[brave fiber]

Their bloodlust is insatiable

[woeful patio]

🙂

[celest hedge]

yeah, you can't stop bots will ataccking unless you leave them all dead

[stable silo]

all psykers have no friends it is known

[woeful patio]

I have exclusively played Psyker for over 100 hours and have completed all Penances that require friendship

Your argument is flawed!!!

May the warp consume you

[plucky flax]

100 hours? Gotta pump that number up.

[woeful patio]

I was too busy drawing MPreg of anyone that argued with me over the Vox

My priorities lied elsewhere but I’m working on getting my new Psyker character to +100

[gilded ember]

why is it that every single time when create a build and switch to cosmetics or loadout and then switch back the build is gone

[silk hawk]

any good webcomic to read? preferably 500+ chapters?

[woeful patio]

He doesn’t know

[orchid nest]

can you still get malleus on weakened monstrosities? that is the easiest way if so

[woeful patio]

You’re using the loadout slots in the top right of the menu correct?

[gilded ember]

yes sir

[woeful patio]

You need to exit the menu for it to save

[dim parrot]

what r u into?

[gilded ember]

so just press "i" again? and thats it?

[woeful patio]

Yep

I’ve had it happen a few times

Seems to be the fix

[gilded ember]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

this happend to me on all classes

[woeful patio]

I’m sorry but FatShark is very new to making games

These issues happen

[orchid nest]

you also definitely can do it with bots duo but you have to make sure they are following the psyker and you're far enough away

[woeful patio]

😔

[gilded ember]

yeah right forgot about that

[silk hawk]

fantasy, magic, isekai, h**tai (only if there is decent story thou), romantics too

i am into many things xD

but i dont like whinner MCs

no matter if its a male of female

[woeful patio]

Erm it’s called Echii 🤓

[dim parrot]

u probably already know it, but just started re reading the beginning after the end lol

[silk hawk]

already finished that one

[stable silo]

No hes talking about stuff like bb if you know you know

[silk hawk]

its been ages since last chapter thou

[dim parrot]

same

[unreal axle]

I'd love to find an isekai or reincarnation manga/manhwa/webcomic with a female protagonist that doesn't immediately devolve into a hetero love triangle

although I eat those up too

[dim parrot]

lmao

sweet home?

[unreal axle]

I will check that out :o

[woeful patio]

Excuse me but this is for PSYKER discussion

[silk hawk]

agnyeo neun du beon sandа

[dim parrot]

not referring to this one tho xD

just generally good webcomic imo

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

[silk hawk]

Agyeogege Jeongchereul Deulkyeo

[stable silo]

I was talking about brain burst it was psyker related

Zealot chat is for off topic stuff everyone knows this

[woeful patio]

Zealot Chat only exists for xeno smut

[unreal axle]

xD

[woeful patio]

Bless them

[silk hawk]

weeb shit is psyker related.... no?

xD

[dim parrot]

now it is

[unreal axle]

I will check those out, thank you :o any with yuri vibes?

[silk hawk]

should i clear chips from my cats hair before i eat it, or just fk it ? XD

[dim parrot]

uhm

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[silk hawk]

not a fan of that genre so idk about that 🙂

[woeful patio]

Bro what

[unreal axle]

aw

well really good friends with handholding is also fine

[silk hawk]

i mean... i more into a straight relationships xD

[stable silo]

Its not xeno smut they are tying up xenos to whip them and other...stuff for the glory of the Emperor of mankind

[unreal axle]

I'm not which is why I'm asking xD

[hot coral]

👩🤝👩

[unreal axle]

but some stories are just really good and I love the main characters anyway

[silk hawk]

i liked the Gate anime...even thou manga was much darker 🙂

they never gona make a continuation 😦

QQ

[vapid lichen]

here's one maybe https://mangadex.org/title/7cd3ca23-2d70-4c03-99f0-b1ee848c4dc4/yakuza-reincarnation-yakuza-princess-of-another-world

[long wharf]

Some people prefer cats with a nice golden crust and a little dipping sauce

Chips can be a cheap way to do that, I guess

I personally prefer a seasoned panko

[granite mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/645073175436066816/710722560916193341/SHUT_UP_ANIME_PROFILE_PICTURE.gif

[vapid lichen]

u cant stop me

[granite mauve]

check your mailbox

[vapid lichen]

omg is it a pipe bomb

for me?

[granite mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-dog-gif-21994053

[vapid lichen]

😳 i love pipe bonb

[vapid lichen]

does he know what i am

[shy pewter]

I want to go soulblaze with this, what do

[shy pewter]

Alternately this, but I think the first is better?

[vapid lichen]

i think it's supposed to be flurry to blazing spirit and one of the perks to crit chance but someone else would probably know it better

[shy pewter]

Thanks

[gusty furnace]

Blazing Spirit, Warp Nexus, Flak, 5% critical hit chance

[azure bridge]

One of my personal al favorites

[gusty furnace]

is the ideal trauma staff

[shy pewter]

cheers thanks

[idle aurora]

here you can do flurry - blaze, spec - crit chance, yep

second one is fucked

[shy pewter]

Why is flak considered the best damage perk, what is it letting you reach

[zinc phoenix]

I was too drunk to carry people thru damn 😢

Too drunk

[gusty furnace]

rough estimate?

70% of enemies in the game are flak armored

[zinc phoenix]

Two

[idle aurora]

Huge amount of enemies have it in some form

[gusty furnace]

that's why it goes on nearly every weapon in the game

Fatshark didn't think about combat balance at all

[zinc phoenix]

Flak is generally gonna hit a breakpoint

[gusty furnace]

So flak just gets slapped on everything

[shy pewter]

Yeah, good ol flak/maniac usually. Ok so its just pure damage output, not a breakpoint thing

[zinc phoenix]

But I personally pick traits based on what makes me mald the most

[gusty furnace]

There's too many to be assed to type them all out

[zinc phoenix]

So it’s mostly carapace unyielding

Not because that makes sense

[gusty furnace]

but 20-25% flak gets you breakpoints on literally every flak armored enemy in the game

[zinc phoenix]

But because I mald

[gusty furnace]

except maybe scab stalkers/scab shooters

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but void is gonna obliterate they shit regardless

Autocorrect tried

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, that's usually how it goes for those two on everything.

You usually start with a 3 shot breakpoint on them

and flak brings it two

[zinc phoenix]

Bingo

[gusty furnace]

but its always a farted breath away from 2

[zinc phoenix]

Ree

[gusty furnace]

so even someone breathing on them gives you the two shot breakpoint

so like

scab stalkers/scab shooters just aren't "important" flak enemies for breakpoint discussions

[zinc phoenix]

You’re exactly right

[vapid lichen]

do those helmets that the generic dreg melee guys have on also count as flak

[zinc phoenix]

Unsurprisingly 😂

[fading iris]

++ SPREAD THE WORD ++

[gusty furnace]

if only plasteel was a real perk on curios

[fading iris]

so psyker-class chat is doing, any fights that I can meme on?

[fading iris]

I'll meme it into reality ++ SPREAD THE WORD ++

Best curio

[hidden crystal]

Yes, which is why I've stopped using the MG XII of late in my marksman gunpsyker.

With the health pool and talent changes, the MG XII no longer hits a headshot breakpoint on them, even with +Flak.

[faint oriole]

yes

[hidden crystal]

Which is kind of BS, to be honest, when a powerful marksman weapon like that can't headshot one of the non-elite/special classes even with a large damage boost. (It's enough to take out all the flak armoured scabs with a headshot, but not that dreg).

[gusty furnace]

The power of insanity

[unreal axle]

thanks! :o

[hollow jolt]

https://mangadex.org/title/13d2856e-9163-43a1-86f9-cd66d41db09b/samurai-in-another-world

just a silly girl doing silly things c:

[upbeat parcel]

psyker chat talking about anime fits

[hollow jolt]

very silly times c:

[unreal axle]

I've got the power of the mind and anime at my side

[hidden crystal]

Conversely though, the Vraks VII I'm using instead, while it's lacklustre against Maniacs, has great default flak damage and will go straight through that helmet, to the point I run +Unarmoured on it instead to hit some breakpoints on different classes.

[long wharf]

let's keep all that weeb shit where it belongs - in Zealot chat

[hidden crystal]

Also, completely counterintuitively, the large calibre autogun has less recoil than the lasgun and can chain headshots better.

[hollow jolt]

the psyker would absolutely be a weeb if allowed

[strong gulch]

Oh drunktide is fecking difficult.

[hollow jolt]

you look at the Loner and tell me you wouldn't expect some touhou fumo in his room

[prisma obsidian]

Is this worth dropping 3k milkman coins on ?

[hidden crystal]

Are you saying it's against protocol?

[unreal axle]

I feel like the only class I could play is a shield ogryn if I was drunk

[long wharf]

no, that way lies heresy and Slaneesh

[hollow jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nph-p-vVXQU&ab_channel=ChaoticVoices

it isn't but its pro-imperium

[hollow jolt]

just as planned UwU

[woeful patio]

Fellas, 17% is the highest toughness a curio can provide right?

Outside of perks

[hollow jolt]

yes

[woeful patio]

Thank you

🤝

And wounds is 2?

[hollow jolt]

only +1 wounds

[woeful patio]

Are you absolutely certain

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-flamer-flame-thrower-fire-gif-15886552

[hollow jolt]

if there was a +2 wound, martyrdom wouldn't be completely shit

however martyrdom is shit

[woeful patio]

I see

Thank you

[hidden crystal]

Suffice to say that I have never seen a +2 wound curio.

[hollow jolt]

in fact, they nerfed Martyrdom stacks to 7 because that's the max you can get in Heresy+

[ornate hamlet]

Hey I got a trauma staff and I was wondering between rending shockwave and warp nexus, it’s has 10 ranged crit damage natural which I can’t really change because the blessing both need change.

[long wharf]

not a nerf, actually a buff

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe warp nexus to pair with the 10% crit damage? I spam a fair bit of ranged fire now that it’s buffed

[fresh reef]

would've gotten my first 1mil AM game but I exploded
I have never felt more pain

[hollow jolt]

I want 9 wounds, them reducing it to 7 means there's no hope for 9 wounds 😔

they nerfed my hope

[strong gulch]

If you don't have one then yes.

Terrifying barrage to warp flurry; especially with the lower charge rate. The perks are kinda up in in the air right now. Ideally flak and unarmored to make up for the current (post hot fix) bug, but flak and carapace is also helpful right now too.

[long wharf]

there's an argument to be made for maniac instead of carapace

[ionic island]

they fucking re-balded me oh god

[long wharf]

as it'll let you stun them more quickly

[long wharf]

not sure about the damnation mutant breakpoint for stunning, though

it takes two with surge normally

[unreal axle]

still waiting for fix

[strong gulch]

Dang trappers.

The staff has crit chance and carapace; can only change 1.

[long wharf]

keep crit chance

[woeful patio]

Blazing Spirit and Nexus are actually amazing

[spice veldt]

say that in zealot chat and I'm sure everyone there will agree with you

[long wharf]

surge staff has higher base crit chance

[woeful patio]

Rending Shockwave is good though

[long wharf]

even more crit is nice

[robust sierra]

is this worth 2600 melk bucks for uncanny 4?

[unreal axle]

rending shockwave is too clutch on trauma staff for me to run blazing spirit with warp nexus :V

it's so gooood

[strong gulch]

Normally I'm pro crit chance, but current bug is making me prioritize different things.

Garuntee where I can instead of hoping for a crit.

[robust sierra]

nvm wait this is my current one lmao

[long wharf]

eh, the bug will get fixed

[hollow jolt]

I hope so, but I've seen too many Zealots eat shit and think "its fine I got +8% damage UwU"

[long wharf]

you still want crit chance, regardless

[ornate hamlet]

I think ill go nexus and flurry

Or nexus and rending? Hmmm

[long wharf]

the only time I don't put crit chance on a staff is never

the only time I don't put crit chance on a weapon at all is when it has a blessing that basically ensures a crit

[hidden crystal]

I can't say I'm too distraught to have fewer zealots refusing to heal and then getting wiped out.

[strong gulch]

Idk when the fix will be, what form it will take, will there be a new bug, etc. Planning for now instead of whatever fatshark does in the future.

If you can get open perks, that's the new surge meta.

[woeful patio]

I see zealots with low health and instinctively put Medicare down

[spice veldt]

it was sarcasm by the way

[woeful patio]

Only for them to actively avoid

[hollow jolt]

I refuse to acknowledge sarcasm. Everyone is 100% serious and genuine in all their messages

[woeful patio]

I need a HUD element that actively tells me they’re using Martyrdom

[long wharf]

you are a poopy head

[woeful patio]

So I know to dodge the lobby or not waste aid

[hollow jolt]

brb crying

[spice veldt]

judging the strength of builds through pub players will not give you an accurate representation

[strong gulch]

Open perks means you can change then to whatever which is very valuable these past few patches.

[unreal axle]

I feel like if you're intentionally getting hurt for martyrdom or refusing to heal you're doing it wrong, it's supposed to be a help in a pinch not your entire suicidal build

[spice veldt]

i don't get why people like to just shit on builds instead of just shitting on the players themselves

wouldn't the human element be easier to blame?

[woeful patio]

Because when I bring up names the mods get the paddle

But builds are nameless

[spice veldt]

i mean just don't bring up names

[woeful patio]

Easier to point the finger at

[spice veldt]

especially nowadays when it's more-often-than-not that you will path into a good build

rather than pre-patch 13 days

[woeful patio]

I HEREBY DECREE THAT THE STEAM ACCOUNT “ONESUU” IS A BAD ZEALOT AND SHOULD MAKE AN OGRYN CHARACTER

Or I can just blame Martyrdom for enabling bad players

Like Assail!

[spice veldt]

true

why would loner aura shroudfield make zealot players run off

[woeful patio]

I love perks that teach players bad habits!!!!

[spice veldt]

surely zealot players running off has never been a problem before patch 13

[woeful patio]

I love bad game design!!!!

@spice veldt leftover from Vermintide

[spice veldt]

surely holy revenant was never in the game before, making people hold off on healing

[woeful patio]

Tried to cover for them

Shouldn’t have tbh

[spice veldt]

i can't believe martyrdom would do this to zealots

[woeful patio]

Let them perish

[hidden crystal]

I've never much liked crits; on many weapons they just randomly mess with breakpoints and thus your muscle memory.

[woeful patio]

The entire point of the coherency system was to prevent OG Saltzpyre and KERILLIAN players from running off and dying alone, then raging in the chat and disconnecting

Then they added a perk that nullifies coherency

Whyyyyyyyy

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

“Work together or die alone”

90% of zealots choose to die alone

Why would you add a perk that aids this behavior

It’s just bad design

Zealots are ideal for melee engagements, why not give them a larger coherency range to allow them room to flex rather than just give them oh yeah fuck it leave your team

[long wharf]

if by "mess with breakpoints" you mean "help you kill things quicker", then yes, I agree

[long wharf]

because FartShack didn't want to just recreate Vermintide, they wanted to "craft a whole new experience"

which meant ignoring all lessons learned and starting from scratch, like idiots

[woeful patio]

Zealots being one of the tougher classes are often the last ones standing after a hard horde, so I can understand in that specific scenario the perk having a use

So why is it PASSIVE

And not under that SPECIFIC circumstance

Psyker has a perk where when someone goes down in coherency everyone nearby gets toughness

Encourages sticking together

Like a good Psyker should

Good design

Zealot spits in the face of good design

Like I get the game was rushed and unfinished

I do, and I blame the publisher, devs are just workers

But this is BASIC design

Just a poor idea from the get go

[hidden crystal]

No. No, I do not.

If I'm used to shooting something three times to kill it, then I'm still going to fire three times anyway, and not even realise that I got a crit, so it makes no meaningful difference to my combat efficiency.

I have recently started using True Aim, because that's something where you can entirely predict when you'll get a crit, but just getting them at random is not helpful to me.

[long wharf]

you shoot three times at that enemy regardless of what's happening?

what happens when teammates do the first two shots?

[burnt mulch]

sometimes it's not about conserving ammo... it's about sending a message to those heretics >:)

[long wharf]

you shoot three times anyways?

[last sleet]

Can someone recommend a current decent psyker build after assail got nerfed? I looked a bit online and the most recent I found was a voidstrike build that abuses the fact that there seems to be some crit bug, which I'm not sure I should go for as it'll probably be fixed.

[long wharf]

sounds like "combat efficiency" isn't what you're really chasing, but "not having to think" is

[burnt mulch]

Assail is still okay/doable

If you're comfy using Assail, stick with it

[plucky flax]

I don't agree with this. The point is to stay at low hp for big damage boost. That's the risk reward.

[woeful patio]

Empowered Psionic BrainBurst

[molten idol]

Asasail balance is near perfect, really good for CQC add clear and then switch to staff/sword for elites

[woeful patio]

Assail is still very strong even after the nerf

[burnt mulch]

I've been having hella fun with Assail + Revolver and me and my buddies managed to do Damnation with it

[woeful patio]

Not at all unuseable

[long wharf]

I've been running assail+surge staff the past couple days

I wish the surge staff killed more quickly

[last sleet]

I do love my surge staff.

[unreal axle]

not enough reward, you're essentially being a hazard to your team unless you can avoid getting downed since you're so perilously close to dying all the time

[strong gulch]

Check Atheneum in the pins.

[burnt mulch]

Picking off two snipers with the revolver, dropping a shield against a swarm of gunners, and then throwing a bunch of rock candy at the oncoming horde...

all i'm gonna say is, i earn my headpats

[woeful patio]

Smite + Shield Psykers deserve gluk gluk

[bold maple]

if you have a vet with instant revive shout then sure

[woeful patio]

Truly the heroes the Emperium deserves

[bold maple]

if not it's better to be healthy

[burnt mulch]

do i want to know what gluk gluk is

[molten idol]

No

[fresh reef]

Honestly you could very easily remove Loner and replace it with something like +5% damage to specials or something

[plucky flax]

Well I'd like to think I can pull off the build.

[woeful patio]

I like that it allows Zealots room to move around, but it’s too much room

Absolutely no limits on it

[stuck finch]

Beloved says you all need to die

[plucky flax]

You have cheat death every 120s or so. You can play extra safe if it's not up.

[long wharf]

you've sold me on calling assail "rock candy" from now on

or even "warp candy"

[hidden crystal]

That's you being deliberately ridiculous.

If it drops in one because someone else has already badly injured it, then no, I'll probably not fire three shots, but if it drops in two because I got a crit in there, then yes, I am very likely to fire an additional shot out of simple rhythm.

[burnt mulch]

it looks like rock candy :3

[fresh reef]

Simple fix would be making it so your coherency decays after leaving the range, then adding the +1 coherency passive back if you're last standing

[burnt mulch]

it just makes noises in my head whenever i eat it

[long wharf]

so you pay attention enough to see that only one shot is enough, but somehow you getting a crit to do that is "inefficient"?

it's not ridiculous at all, actually

[fresh reef]

Encourages team play, gives you more room, and doesnt gut the clutch aid of current Loner

[plucky flax]

Stealth loner my beloved.

[last sleet]

Atheneum?

[burnt mulch]

it's a guide on steamcommunity

very technical though, so if you're new it'll probably be super overwhelming (it sure is for me 😅 )

[last sleet]

Aaah.

current meta is +3 stamina two thoughness? Alright. Interesting.

[woeful patio]

This could work 🤓

[strong gulch]

The Psyker Atheneum in the pinned messages. Steam guide by Pygex. It's updated as time allows. There is a README section that addresses concerns or new things.

[woeful patio]

I just run as much toughness as possible tbh

[burnt mulch]

i like health <.<

[woeful patio]

No need for Stammy with Kinetic Deflection

[vapid lichen]

i run 2x toughness and 1x hp 🫡

[woeful patio]

It’s what the Emperor would want you to run

[long wharf]

I prefer 2x health 1 +3 stamina

[long wharf]

quite the contrary

[burnt mulch]

Kinetic Deflection is fun until i accidentally blow myself up

[long wharf]

the stamina cost for blocking takes your maximum stamina into account

[strong gulch]

Things are tried and tested in there, but ultimately comes down to what you like and how you play.

[cloud heron]

I don't think kinetic deflection can make you blow yourself up

[long wharf]

so the more stamina you have, the less stamina cost for a block, and thus less peril cost for kinetic deflection block

[burnt mulch]

it doesnt but

[long wharf]

KD doesn't work at high peril

[burnt mulch]

i swap to assail, click a few times..

[last sleet]

Ah good to know that it's kept up to date. My current issue was finding builds that weren't months or sometimes years old.
And my last build was some youtuber who clearly played a lot, but also made builds for every class, and I don't think he mained psyker, because when Assail was at the hight of it's power, he didn't even pick quicker replenish speed for assail. Why wouldn't you? The more assails per minute the better.

[vapid lichen]

isn't kinetic already so forgiving that it doesn't really matter that much though

[burnt mulch]

and im like "oh oops i was at 60%"

EXPLODES

[long wharf]

I haven't looked to see if KD's equation changed with patch 13+

[plucky flax]

Clearly that guy is not a tru assail enjoyer like me.

[mellow gorge]

okay brunt

[vapid lichen]

it says on the tooltip that peril gain is 25% of the stam cost or smth

[last sleet]

It's why I pretty much exclusively run with my F to dump peril. :D

If I mess up, quick shouty shout, all good.

[cloud heron]

has anyone used a blazing spirit illisi? I've been trying to make one but the rng just refuses to provide

[long wharf]

I wouldn't bother upgrading it

[woeful patio]

KD has never blown me up

[woeful patio]

Yeah?

[vapid lichen]

kd stops at 97%

[long wharf]

if you're at end-game, it isn't worth the mats, if you aren't at end-game, nothing you're getting is worth the mats yet

[cloud heron]

How's it do?

[strong gulch]

Felt. That's frustrating. Though opinions may be divided, info is up to date in the discord.

There are a bunch of assail build people run.

[woeful patio]

It’s an Illisi

I had the guaranteed crit on special kill

[hidden crystal]

If the first shot kills it, I probably won't fire shot three, but I will still often overkill targets if they drop earlier than I'm expecting.

I'm used to ignoring the hit sounds because of how patchy hit registration can be, and instead going off ragdolls, and the ragdolls often aren't obviously ragdolling fast enough for me to not fire extra shots.

I much prefer static bonuses to ones that happen randomly.

[woeful patio]

Permanently lit stuff on fire

[mellow gorge]

oh i know, it does amuse me though. it was so close

[woeful patio]

It was okay? Wouldn’t suggest it though

Unless Niche Warp Charge build

But in that case use Purgatus

[cloud heron]

shred/blazing spirit is what I've been trying to make

[woeful patio]

Fair

But why Blazing Spirit?

[cloud heron]

I do have a bloodthirsty/blazing spirit one but also felt it was lackluster

because fire is cool

[woeful patio]

True

[long wharf]

it's just a meme at this point

we're 7~10 patches past where bloodthirsty+blazing spirit was good

[last sleet]

Hmm People do love the void staff. I'm hesitant to swap out my surge staff. I do love that thing.

[cloud heron]

what about shred though

[long wharf]

at release, bloodthirsty was 5 seconds of gauranteed crits

[vapid lichen]

i have a shred/blazing spirit illisi

[long wharf]

on special kill

[vapid lichen]

it's pretty fun but idk if it's that good

[long wharf]

shred isn't critting enough, to me

[hidden crystal]

The number of times I line up a shot on some trash enemy, get a head shot sound effect, and the fragger is still standing...

[plucky flax]

Shred got nerfed from 25% to 20%.

[slender wharf]

You ever do well in a mission and then everyone dies and the game crashes

I think I just warp periled my PC

[plucky flax]

Anyway I have shred blazing spirits both t4 and it sucks. Slaughterer just kills faster.

[cloud heron]

I have a blazing spirit trauma that I love to death and am just trying to see how putting out just a little more fire works

[long wharf]

welcome to FartShack, home of the Impossible Burger Game

[long wharf]

blazing trauma works very well

add venting shriek

[cloud heron]

Yeah, that's me

[strong gulch]

For sure slaughter kills faster.

[vapid lichen]

it's in the name

[woeful patio]

Blazing Spirit and Nexus on Trauma feels fantastic

Big boy deeps

[strong gulch]

Though, blazing spirit swords is not for killing faster. It's for "ooh pretty lights".

[plucky flax]

It's for memes

[long wharf]

I just wish FartShack would fix the trauma staff aiming mechanism

[strong gulch]

ye

[long wharf]

just make it center on where I'm pointing

[woeful patio]

The Blazing Spirit Stacks do decent damage

[strong gulch]

meme sowrd

[woeful patio]

But Rending is probably better

[whole oxide]

nah, that'd be worse, good luck place it on anything above head-height

[vapid lichen]

this is mine
the first target stat is unfortunate but it's the one that actually upgraded properly

[long wharf]

that's the point

aim at vertical surfaces

the blast centers on where you aim

[strong gulch]

Make trauma function on stairs

[whole oxide]

so, if you're standing at the bottom of stairs, you genuinely dont' want to be able to hit stuff standing on top of the stairs. okay.....

[long wharf]

aim at the walls?

[whole oxide]

what if there is no wall

[long wharf]

you never see floating stairs

there's always a wall

[vapid lichen]

the only difference between the existing version and the "fixed" version is the camera angle though

[whole oxide]

sure you do

[woeful patio]

I definitely wish Trauma AOE worked based on crosshair or enemy

Very finicky

[hidden crystal]

But yeah, the fact the sound and crosshair effects for hits are worked out at your end, but whether it's actually a hit has to be checked with the server means that the hit sounds aren't a reliable indication of "you can stop firing now".

[plucky flax]

I don't. I enjoy da flick

[woeful patio]

Cringe!

[plucky flax]

Only top 1% psyker can flick.

[strong gulch]

Trauma getting bested by slotted floors and stairs is too real. I can't handle stairs too well irl.

totally not triggered

[woeful patio]

My beloved says many aspects of the game need further iterations or updates, staffs among them

[whole oxide]

there are plenty of scenarios where there's a staircase with a wide doorway at the top, no walls behind it, you literally wouldn't be able to hit anything standing up there if it wasn't centred above the ground

[woeful patio]

And STAIRS NEED A RAMP HITBOX

Trauma bussing until you’re standing on a grated floor

Atoma’s defense varies based upon what you’re standing on

Not good

[fading iris]

Trauma VS Analog elevator, who will win?!

[rigid rune]

new pskyer blitz?

[burnt mulch]

new psyker blitz: "get sucked into the warp" 😂

[woeful patio]

Immediately turned into a goblin and started looting before registering the Psyker was gone

Upside: Diamantine

[orchid shadow]

They failed the test and touched the filthy Psyker.

[fading iris]

** ++ The God Emperor protects ++**

[woeful patio]

I haven’t even SEEN a 17% toughness

My old Psyker had like 5 16%

[faint oriole]

hey

[fading iris]

That was my first one, ofc is mine now

[woeful patio]

They gotta work on Curios and stats as a whole

[faint oriole]

i have like 7 17 percent ones that have good roles are they rare or sum

[woeful patio]

Absolute BS that even with a maxed out Blessing of 17% it doesn’t offer the max power value

Stupid RNG

[feral knoll]

As a Psyker main. Do the voices ever tell you all nice things by chance

[cloud heron]

They've made some convincing arguments

Did you know that nurgle offers free healthcare to all of his faithful worshippers?

not even a copay

[burnt mulch]

mine dont v.v

they just tell me i'm useless and no one wants me around 😦

[fading iris]

game decided to give me the N64 revy skin

[feral knoll]

Fair arguement

[high yarrow]

what is yalls favorite sword/staff set up for psyker? im liking voidstrike and MK V Force Sword

[cloud heron]

Trauma and Deimos

[high yarrow]

what do people like so much about trauma? isnt that the flamethrower staff? it feels weak to me

[cloud heron]

Trauma is the ground explosion staff

i do also like the purge staff though, even though it's fallen out of favor

[high yarrow]

oh okay, yeah that one is solid

[last sleet]

Upgrading a staff to blue can procc a rank IV blessing, right? I'm just unlucky not getting warp nexus 4? Or do I have to upgrade to epic for IV blessings?

[foggy breach]

worth going for the hadro-wheel?

[woeful patio]

Illisi Surge

[last sleet]

This good enough?

[woeful patio]

I’d take Nexus tbh

I’d roll for a staff that’s at least 370

Otherwise trashbin or blessing fodder

That’s actually stellar

Very nice surge

[strong gulch]

Hard call. I'd do it but I upgrade all day everyday. If you can get both blessing natively and then have free pick of perks, that'd be fecking great.

That way you have perks to match various changes.

[feral verge]

Someone corrected you on trauma staff

But I maintain that purga staff is not weak

[woeful patio]

It isn’t

[feral verge]

After coming back to it after the update, I am getting 1 million damage with it in pubs

[woeful patio]

Why would anyone say it’s weak?

[strong gulch]

purg staff is not weak. It's more situational needs other things to cover its short comings

[woeful patio]

Wow almost like we can tailor our loadouts to cover for weaknesses

Wild thought

You’ve been lied to sibling

[strong gulch]

yip

[woeful patio]

Purgatus isn’t weak

[open pike]

We got 5 loadout slots for a reason lol

[feral verge]

This is annihilating pub games

1.4k hours, first time getting 1 million damage

People are sleeping on purga and ascendant blaze again

It was always decent before the patch but now it's in overdrive if used right

[woeful patio]

B-But it doesn’t instakill Crushers or Maulers!!!!

It only has amazing horde clear and DoT’s!!!

[feral verge]

Bring deimos or ds4 to delete crushers

[woeful patio]

Are you suggesting we have more than one weapon??

[feral verge]

And you beat the game

[woeful patio]

unheard of

[potent echo]

Can't believe it, a fellow purg main

[static needle]

also how bout this one?

[feral verge]

I've mained it since feb

Or January

[potent echo]

My build, it's very similar

[last sleet]

Is there any interface mod that lets me move an individual buff to more of a center screen location? I'd like to have this for instance, in a more visible location, But don't want to have to search it among all this other stuff:

Thanks for making the tiniest images, giant, discord.

[potent echo]

Tbh purg only does really really well if your team is bad, which is most pub games

[static needle]

yes

custom interface

i use it too and have the buffs centered

[feral verge]

The only time purga could potentially suffer is if you are playing with a gunlugger ogryn like @lunar hollow who deletes whole rooms with ripper gun

[last sleet]

Did you read what I wrote?

[foggy breach]

me watching the knife zealot named "xxxtencion" kill every single fodder enemy before i see them:

[feral verge]

And it only struggles cuz shit gets deleted before your soulblaze gets to it

But in pubs you arent gonna get those players in 95% of games

[potent echo]

Player quality and not build quality

[desert mirage]

hmm

[potent echo]

Good illisi

[static needle]

whoops thought i knew where u were going with that one. I wouldnt suspect there is a way since they are all connected within their box. That would be a more advanced mod than what i think is out there

[feral verge]

Purga can keep up with good players

[potent echo]

There is a buff priority mod

[last sleet]

That's alright, you were trying to help. Thank you anyway.

[feral verge]

But it can't keep up with good players with op builds like ripper gunlugger

[copper torrent]

So, how do you use it right vs wrong? (genuine question. I don't play purg)

[potent echo]

You can set what buffs you want in a separate bar

[feral verge]

Don't use it on mutants, solitary enemies.

[potent echo]

Purg should always be diving in

Esp against shooters

[feral verge]

Know when to apply it onto targets, then swap to melee to finish them

[last sleet]

Buff Hud Improvements? I'll give it a go.

[potent echo]

Yeap that's it

[static needle]

worth buying? note that this isnt a purgatus its a surge. the weapon mod randomizes parts lol

[feral verge]

Use lmb as a very powerful stagger tool

[potent echo]

Lmb lets you solo 30 ragers

[feral verge]

Nope

[open pike]

Yeah underestimating the LMB stagger was one of my biggest early purg mistakes

It's actually kinda insane

[zinc phoenix]

I wouldn’t say difficulty so much as entertaining 😂

[feral verge]

No t4 blessing, terrifying barrage is useless, low charge rate

[last sleet]

Actually, I also found "better buff management" seems similar but more up to date.

[tiny swallow]

taking out a whole line of poxwalkers with the voidstrike charge attack is pure dopamine

[woeful patio]

Customizable UI mod

Allows you to reposition any element of the UI

[last sleet]

Again, nice that you want to help, but you do not know what we are talking about.

[woeful patio]

🤷‍♂️

Moved my buffs below my crosshair

If you’re looking for specific buffs, might be better to find element mods that tie to them

Like warp charges or such

Can’t remember the name of it

[last sleet]

Aaaah there, you found out what it was.

[graceful urchin]

Hey would anyone be kind enough to help me get a penance in a private match? I've been working on warp battery for over a week now and I'm really struggling

[woeful patio]

What difficulty are you playing?

[graceful urchin]

Heresy

[woeful patio]

That’s the problem

[graceful urchin]

I've done malice as well

[woeful patio]

Are you running the maximum 6 charges?

[graceful urchin]

Yes

[woeful patio]

I’d suggest playing a single match of Auric Damnation

[severe folio]

im not really sure

[woeful patio]

The higher difficulties offer so many elites and specialists you’ll never be wanting stacks

[graceful urchin]

All give it a shot lol

[woeful patio]

Or, even Heresy with a specialist modifier

[graceful urchin]

I've done that but I'll try an auric damnation

[rare mesa]

unarmoured to flak and terrifying to ??

[woeful patio]

Auric Damnation means every other enemy is specialist or elite

You’ll have no issues

[severe folio]

blaze spirit

[rare mesa]

o right thats on crit

[woeful patio]

Flurry or Rending are good choices

[rare mesa]

or do you think its worth to swap out warp nexus?

i only have t3 blessings atm tho

[feral verge]

Get rid of terrifying barrage

No matter what

[rare mesa]

fur sure

what about warp

[feral verge]

It is literally useless

Warp nexus is good

For blaze trauma staff

[foggy breach]

blazing spirit is t3 only

[feral verge]

Or for lmb spam staff

[graceful urchin]

Thanks for the help

[rare mesa]

im gonna try blazing spirit may as well make use of this new crit blessing me gots

[feral verge]

Warp nexus + surge on trauma staff let's you do pretty crazy lmb spam damage

[rare mesa]

thx for the thoughts gents

[feral verge]

This is another setup people are sleeping on

[rare mesa]

wats surge

[woeful patio]

Surge means crits hit twice

[feral verge]

Fire two shots on crit

[rare mesa]

oh

the one i dont got

[feral verge]

And both shots crit

[woeful patio]

With Nexus, you can get crits relatively consistent

[rare mesa]

://////////////

[heady garnet]

do the two rebreathers sound any different?

[feral verge]

So it's two critical hits on an enemy

[rare mesa]

that sounds fun as heck

[woeful patio]

No

[heady garnet]

sadge

[woeful patio]

You expect quality from FatShark

Doomed from the start

[feral verge]

It is. Just go down the right side of the skill tree, take all the crit related feats

[heady garnet]

the zealot one is so cool i wish we had something like that 😭

just the voice change

[rare mesa]

what about perk

im thinking unyielding flak

[long wharf]

purge shines where trauma does - at enemy densities not easily overcome with normal weapons

[rare mesa]

i already got dueling sword mutant sticker

[long wharf]

infinite cleave means you clear the room regardless of how many there are

[feral verge]

For lmb spam trauma? Flak/maniac/crit Chance

[rare mesa]

what about rightclick

[woeful patio]

If you meant “Do the two masks add the muffle filter to our characters voice” the answer is yes

[feral verge]

I barely use right click on lmb spam trauma. Only to knock crushers over. Or rager packs

[woeful patio]

But I read “Do these masks sound distinct from eachother” and the answer is no

[heady garnet]

I own one already and i enjoy it, i just want MORE MUFFLE

[feral verge]

I use illisi with uncanny strike + unstable power to kill those enemies

[woeful patio]

Oh MORE muffle

No

[rare mesa]

is lmb superior to right click trauma

ive never tried that playstyle

[neon bobcat]

Which of the 3 blitzes are generally the most consistent at low level/while leveling?
I really like Smite, but I feel like I have trouble dealing with specials 😭
I feel like Brain Rupture or Assail would help me more with that

[feral verge]

Surge + warp nexus = strong left click. Warp flurry + rending shockwave = strong right click

They're both good. You just gotta choose whichever sounds fun to you

[heady garnet]

Planning on siwtching out focused channeling now that I'm more comfortable with dodging, any recs?

[woeful patio]

The utility of seeing 4 crushers lumbering towards you and being able to say “Uh no” with a RMB Trauma is unparalleled

[woeful patio]

Suppression

Forces chaff to keep distance if they sneak behind you

Basically gives you a safety bubble

[feral verge]

Warp nexus

@heady garnet you want your purga staff to look like this

[woeful patio]

Nexus is also very strong choice

[rare mesa]

is terrifying barrage useless on purg

[feral verge]

Worse

[heady garnet]

ty c:

[feral verge]

It is useless

[cloud heron]

I queued into a game before I could finish talking about this but the purge staff is really good. It feels weak in lower difficulties because enemy density just isn't high enough, but you can basically kill an infinite number of any non-ogryn melee enemies simultaneously. Ragers and Maulers need a bit of backwards dodging but are 100% manageable. It just has so much throughput and nearly constant uptime

The main problem you get is that people insist on attacking the things that you're already killing

[feral verge]

On

All

Staves

[last sleet]

Oh btw, do curio perks stack? Like can I run 3 curios that all have 5% toughness and 30% toughness regen speed?

[heady garnet]

we already have stagger in the staff

[rare mesa]

damn boi i just saw a build on gameslantern that said terrifying barag eon purg

and i was like hol up

[feral verge]

Terrifying barrage does nothing. All staves already heavily suppress the enemy. Terrifying barrage should never be taken. Even at t4. I'd take literally any t1 blessing over it

Useless

[rare mesa]

thx for confirming

[lethal lagoon]

ye

[lunar hollow]

nah dude t5 TB is great

[woeful patio]

Yes

[feral verge]

Tb as in tuberculosis

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen stacks exponentially too, I believe. So having more is better.

30% is basically useless

90% is quite impressive

[woeful patio]

90% or nothing

Tbh

[lethal lagoon]

^

[feral verge]

I don't use toughness Regen anymore

[lunar hollow]

dw

[lethal lagoon]

I don't for psyker for sure, we have way too much toughness regen to need it.

[long wharf]

toughness regen is less important now

[lethal lagoon]

Gunker might kind of need it though

[cloud heron]

I feel like psyker has so much toughness coming in from talents you dont really need the coherency regen

[woeful patio]

I’m the emperors favorite princess and he told me to grab toughness regen speed

[lunar hollow]

u just dont understand the meta anymore old man, go back to patch 14 SMH

[cloud heron]

a psyker is the emperor's favorite princess?

[last sleet]

Finding good curios is such a pain.

[lethal lagoon]

Princesses do get sacrificed for the emperor's needs, so yeah.

[rare mesa]

ofc

the emperor is the greatest psyker to exist

[lethal lagoon]

it works

[cloud heron]

curios are way easier to get than weapons

[last sleet]

We were, before Assail got nerfed. Now we're the emperors most okest princess. :D

[cloud heron]

assail is lame

always has been

[rare mesa]

it doesnt feel badass to use

[last sleet]

How? You can craft good weapons all day, I managed to roll an okish force staff. But all my curios are trash.

[cloud heron]

You only need a single good perk on a curio

and then you can reroll the other two

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, but you still have to find a 16 or 20% or wound or whatever.

[last sleet]

Good perk and the best blessing roll, and they only appear in the shop and as mission rewards.

[feral verge]

This is great. I'd swap crit Chance to flak or carapace. Especially if you are specced into the right side of the skill tree

[lethal lagoon]

Pretty much all my curios are from back when I used the web app to stalk the store, I will literally never do that ever again.

[cloud heron]

but even then, you're rolling one stat vs the distribution of 5

[feral verge]

You'll do more damage

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, but you can't just buy tons of curios on demand lmao

And oh man, curios were such a bitch when you could only reroll one perk

You find the perfect one and then a patch later it's not perfect anymore and it's just like you give up.

[woeful patio]

Wait wait hold up clarify for me

Toughness Regen Speed only affects the passive coherency toughness?

[lethal lagoon]

yes

[feral verge]

Yes.

[last sleet]

Actually, I want the crit chance. Since right now the individual hits of the attack can crit, this proccs "Mettle" a lot, replenishing a lot of toughness in combat.

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-sad-oh-no-gif-17379933

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear it effects both the regen spd and how long it takes to start regening, but yes only coherency

[cloud heron]

Curios are also more universally useful. Like you need one set for your class and you're done

[woeful patio]

I don’t give a damn about it then

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao, have you been using it thinking it was toughness replenishment?

[woeful patio]

Literally every build has mandatory toughness on peril build and quel

I can get toughness whenever I want

[feral verge]

[woeful patio]

Fuck coherency

Mannn I’m swapping them to Ally revive speed so I can rescue zealots running martyrdom faster

This is WACK

[severe folio]

curio with offensive stats

offensive curios

[woeful patio]

Curios that call you names?

Offensive Curios?

[severe folio]

curios that belittle you

[feral verge]

@lunar hollow is an offensive curiosity

[severe folio]

we making it to the terminus decree with this one 🗣️

[long wharf]

we have so many ways of immediately gaining toughness that toughness regen is wasted

[fresh reef]

[long wharf]

you're much better served with stamina regen

which I have on every curio on all classes now

[last sleet]

Why did you consecrate a 323 base staff?

[fresh reef]

warp res is dump stat

it's fine

[last sleet]

Hm, fair enough.

[strong gulch]

IT'S FINE™️

[harsh urchin]

Warp des definitely not dump lmao

[strong gulch]

Blast radius dump stat.

[harsh urchin]

You already spend half the game quelling

Now you spend 75% of it quelling

[last sleet]

Damage is dump stat.

Now we're playing 5D chess.

[woeful patio]

323 Tho 😦

[strong gulch]

try 312

[woeful patio]

Great perks and blessings tho

[severe folio]

that surge staff will have a lot of quelling

[last sleet]

Is this gonna be a meme? Are we gonna consecrate the lowest base staffs we can find? :D

[severe folio]

surge staff dump stat is actually critical bonus

[sturdy moss]

recommendations for a melee weapon ?

[severe folio]

depend on the job you want to handle

[last sleet]

Not with the current patch.

[severe folio]

what do you mean

[sturdy moss]

just got to 30. least played class, no idea whats good lol

[cloud heron]

yeah the problem with crit bonus is the damage formula, which I don't think changed

[harsh urchin]

Psyker actually has options lol

[severe folio]

well what do you want your melee to do

[harsh urchin]

Do you want a primary, do you want a mutant killer do you want a fastswap defensive weapon

[lunar hollow]

ur fkin rude

[cloud heron]

The psyker has three melee weapon options and they're all force swords. Don't get tricked into picking some lame, non-magical weapon

[harsh urchin]

Josho i have perfected my brauto tag vet

All i do is tag stuff

[sturdy moss]

im simple. hits hard and good

[last sleet]

If I don't have it wrong: Surge right now hits random body parts a lot, and each of these tiny hits can crit. With the mettle talent, each tiny crit gives you 5% toughness back + movement speed. Meaning if you have a high crit staff, you're currently very tanky and can eat a lot of ranged fire.

[harsh urchin]

And my monkey teammates carry me through histg

[lunar hollow]

u cant do that vet keystones are all TERRIBLE

[strong gulch]

I'm lame. I use a walking stick.

[severe folio]

okay then, the dueling sword mk4

[strong gulch]

Also MK 4 dueling sword good.

[harsh urchin]

Yes I have already made 53 threads on reddit complaining about vet

[rare mesa]

DEIMOS GANG

[harsh urchin]

🤩

[severe folio]

i think pygex know this, and i think the codex guide on surge stat still address the issue with critical bonus on surge

[lunar hollow]

tag is cool i just dont wanna go down the middle tree tbh

i always go left or right side

[sturdy moss]

exactly. why else would i be a mind freak

[sturdy moss]

ty. heres to hoping I roll something decent

[severe folio]

check the pinned codex to know what you want

[harsh urchin]

i havent found a melee weapon

i really like

with revolver + melee specialist

PS feels a little bit clunky

[lunar hollow]

ps6 with the 25% aspeed is fucking CRACK

[harsh urchin]

the problem is that you have to keep weaponswapping

to reload revolver

and constantly having to charge PS and weapon swap is annoying

[severe folio]

is that a vet thing

[cloud heron]

Exactly. Unfortunately, the duelling sword lobby spends a great deal on propoganda to mislead fellow psykers

[harsh urchin]

yes vet can reload your gun after you kill enemies

[lunar hollow]

i dont really find it that bad

but i also like shovel/caxe with a manstopper/flechette shotgun build

[last sleet]

Pygex only considers the pure damage output of the crit in the 4.1 blessing explaination, I fully agree with this. But the current effect of the crits is like I said, not the extra damage, but the tankyness and speed you gain from mettle, having it up near constantly, giving you a much safer build to play.

[harsh urchin]

i tried the manstopper flechette shotguns

and they feel alright

[lunar hollow]

abusing the guaranteed crit at 3 stacks

[harsh urchin]

but i dont wanna keep playing 'em lol

[last sleet]

Oh! And Empathetic evasion of course.

[harsh urchin]

how does it feel now

[last sleet]

Giving you evasion for 1 sec on crit.

[harsh urchin]

now that reload speed affects the load

[lunar hollow]

not bad

agri probs benefits the most

cuz slug

i wanna like shovel but its a solid meh weapon to me

[harsh urchin]

same

ogryn shovel feels 10x better

[severe folio]

turn an axe into a shovel

very simple fix

or turn a devil claw into a shovel

[brave fiber]

just rolled this off of a random mission and i dont know what to do with it lmao

methinks crit is too low

[woeful patio]

Throw it away because 316

[severe folio]

can take surgical away from it

[brave fiber]

unfortunate

[harsh urchin]

@lunar hollow do you have any weapons on vet you rec playing around with

[lunar hollow]

dc7 is fun

[harsh urchin]

why dc7?

[lunar hollow]

push attack single target combo is nice

people like the 4 more but the 7 is usable

[last sleet]

So, if you build for toughness regen on crit, and 1second evade on crit, I wouldn't say crit is currently a dump stat on surge. It's not a damage stat, it's a top tier defensive stat.

[harsh urchin]

staves don't really have any dump stats

[strong gulch]

NOICE. At the very least you can grab hand cannon or surgical off it.

I've never tried revolver with that low of reload speed, so I can't speak to that. Same about the crit bonus. Either way, you nearly got god roll blessings.

[harsh urchin]

when people say "crit is dump on surge"

[desert mirage]

worth?

[harsh urchin]

they mean it's acceptable at like 60%

but you can't actually dump it

everything is required

[brave fiber]

yeah i just grabbed surgical 4 off of it, feels good

now to try to roll for a good handcannon

[potent echo]

Is crit a dump? It's alot of crit chance in there

Like 20% is close to 5% crit chance

[strong gulch]

Cool. Both blessings are great picks. Iirc, hand cannon is one of those "won't show up for people" blessings, but also T4 surgical is juicy. Either was good to grab.

[fresh reef]

update on the 19% warp res surge staff

[brave fiber]

ive been meaning to try a real gunker build, i just hate the autoguns

[fresh reef]

it feels way better than a 50% charge rate one

and generating more peril is good for Absorption and Rider

Quietude to a lesser extent

[severe folio]

how many rmb you do before you quell

3 ?

[fresh reef]

5, usually 4

[severe folio]

seem stable

[strong gulch]

Warp expenditure. Wonder how that would pair with 19% warp resist.

[last sleet]

Yeah, I didn't consider any of the stats particularly "dumpable" but I was basically replying to someone who said "crit is dump" and while I would have agreed a few patches ago that crit on surge is probably not great, and that currently it is not great for offense, it is great for defense.

[fresh reef]

I'll give it a shot later, but Quietude is just really comfy for me

(also fatshark please just make Expendenture and Quietude restore the same amount

[severe folio]

im not really sure that crit on surge is a good example of great for defense

because even with hahnda staff you are only going to fire 5 surges before quelling

lets say for example you get crit on all 5 shots for empathic evasion

is that really that much of a boon

when compare to something that consistently firing crit for a longer period of time like the purg

[woeful patio]

I never touch those skills tbh

Too niche, I’ll forget I have them

[severe folio]

youd feel them when you stand in firing line and fire back

[woeful patio]

Why lose a point when I can just bring deflector

[severe folio]

because

[strong gulch]

Purg crits or guns with long crit chains really make you Neo with emphatic evaision.

I agree about surge tho. Does it help? Yes, but I don't thing it's as helpful on surge. Mettle is nice tho for squirrely lightening things.

[severe folio]

deflector dont let you shoot back ?

[woeful patio]

Deflector safely gets me to cover

So so can shoot back

[severe folio]

not really

[woeful patio]

Or within chopping range

[severe folio]

i mean, you still have to get out of cover to shoot

[woeful patio]

Like every other class?

[severe folio]

yes

[woeful patio]

Im not seeing a downside

[severe folio]

what does other class has to do with this ?

how about every other class can take more than 1 shor

[strong gulch]

Talking about empathic evasion procs, not for seaking cover but for more attacking.

[severe folio]

every class can get out of cover

but if you psyker getting out to shoot like a vet or a zeal

[bold maple]

idk surge sucks cock rn on damnation I feel

[severe folio]

you are not shooting your enemies like them you are turning into swiss cheese

[bold maple]

purge or void more useful

[severe folio]

deflector is only delaying your death in this perspective not helping you stay in tact while shooting back

[echo turtle]

I've been crushing with surge, it's very good with a creeping flames build

[woeful patio]

So I can put a point into empathic evasion and on the off chance I get a crit I can ignore enemy fire for a bit to shoot back, or I can use basic gamer skills, seek cover, and shoot back from a safe position with or without deflector

[severe folio]

not “on the off chance”

[echo turtle]

It's like a 50% chance to crit with surge

[severe folio]

if you are using empathic evasion you are suppose to use a weapon that crit very consistently

[woeful patio]

Crits are statistically not the norm

[severe folio]

really now

[woeful patio]

Yeah they’re crits

[spice veldt]

over a 1 second duration

[bold maple]

yeah but no bubble

[echo turtle]

Void can crit lie crazy with true aim

[woeful patio]

Ofc you can boost it with blessings and perks

[spice veldt]

it's not "crit once and dodge one bullet"

[echo turtle]

So? Like I said I have been crushing with it

[severe folio]

explain this then

[spice veldt]

it's "crit and be in a dodge state for 1 second"

[woeful patio]

What am I explaining

[bold maple]

in pub auric damnation?

[woeful patio]

Is yellow crit?

[severe folio]

yellow is crit

[echo turtle]

Yes

[bold maple]

good for you bud

[severe folio]

look at empathic evasion proc on the corner

[strong gulch]

Pick what you like. But diff weapon have long crit chains that happen often. One option allows for really aggressive play and another is more defensive.

[severe folio]

imagine this, you have enemies to attack, you crit, the gunners in the back arent damaging you

[echo turtle]

You're saying it feels bad, I'm saying it works with a creeping flames build. No need to be an asshole about it

[strong gulch]

Different play styles. Different builds.

[severe folio]

this isnt relyinf on luck this is empathizing strength and utilize it

[bold maple]

you reply to people like this and say not to be an asshole

funny

[severe folio]

using crit is a skill just as much as running to cover because it is used on weapons that is consistent

[woeful patio]

It’s cool don’t get me wrong, but if I see a gunner my immediate thought isn’t “I need to smoke this chaff like a doobie so I don’t get gunned down” it’s “I need to find cover so I can BB that gunner safely”

Never said it isn’t skill

It’s a sick ass build

[severe folio]

your opinion express pretty clearly you dont think its a utility relying on skill

[woeful patio]

One I want if you have the purg blessings on hand 👉👈

[spice veldt]

the other good thing is that you get to stay in the fight longer

= more aggro onto you

[severe folio]

the blessing on the purg in that video didnt help with the crit

[spice veldt]

= less aggro on teammates

esp if they have shit toughness regen

[severe folio]

literally nothing on the purg in the vid aid the crit it did

[woeful patio]

It’s strictly from the skill tree?

NOTHING else

[severe folio]

nothing else

the tree give it 5% extra crit

didnt even trigger scrier

[woeful patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/663110425340018700/913966472714403900/ezgif-7-7907cd03006f-1.gif

[spice veldt]

being able to just be on the frontline and tank, whether that's with dodging or outregenning with your toughness, is pretty nice when you have teammates who have peepee poopoo toughness economy

[severe folio]

do you want to see what does it look like with scrier

[woeful patio]

Naw you got me, if you can trigger it consistently that’s more than enough

I meant no offense

[spice veldt]

the fire rate of purg should be considered as well

[severe folio]

yeah

purg fire rate is very high so it trigger crit constantly

then again if your weapon can hit crit every 1 second

[woeful patio]

I have +100 hours of exclusively surge staff

[severe folio]

technically no difference

[woeful patio]

Purgatus isn’t even on my radar

[severe folio]

if your surge can crit every 1 second

[woeful patio]

Never considered the crit with firerate

[severe folio]

empathic evasion is practically your veil

[woeful patio]

Might give it a shot once I get a decent one with my new Psyker

[echo turtle]

Are you taking it with the extra time for dodge?

[woeful patio]

I’ve been wanting to try Skry with an Illisi that has Quell on it

[spice veldt]

anticipation doesn't interact with empathic evasion

[severe folio]

what do you mean by that

oh the anticipation

[spice veldt]

anticipation also basically doesn't work

[severe folio]

no i dont use anticipation

[spice veldt]

besides the +1 dodge

[severe folio]

as acro said

[spice veldt]

if you're coming from the right side, just ignore anticipation and take empathic evasion

[severe folio]

if it actually increase dodge time then i would use it

[echo turtle]

Oh ok, I thought it would make the ability last an extra half second

[severe folio]

it would be useful if it does

but right now it doesnt do that so no

[echo turtle]

Gotcha

[severe folio]

it would be very, very good if it work

[thorn cedar]

i dont know that that's true

[severe folio]

for me personally because itd be like holding vrak mkvii

[thorn cedar]

50% on the dodge iframes is uh

still not very long

[severe folio]

and you consistently critting every 1.5 seconds

[spice veldt]

it would be good if it was a straight up +50%

because it increases your coverage when you spam dodges

[severe folio]

means as long as you are shooting the right rhythm you are invincible from firing