i like the trauma for enabling my melee playstyle and to avoid sudden death syndrome from mauler/crusher patrols
#psyker-class
sweet pelican
i see
spice veldt
the only staff that seems immediately worse than the others is the surge as far as I can tell
sweet pelican
weird i saw that staff alot before
tired knoll
new director seems to drop crusher blobs more often 
spice veldt
there was a bug that allowed the surge to have 2.25x more damage
tired knoll
surge used to do like double damage due to a bug
spice veldt
but that was fixed
strong gulch
Critical chance, Maniac, Flak, Unyielding are the best perks. Blessings are uncanny strikes + flesh tearer / lacerate; Flesh tearer has more potential and synergy with uncanny tho. You can just hit the head of something. Lacerate if you are a messy stabber.
Though keep in mind that is also for end game with high rolled knife. While leveling, I wouldn't worry too much unless you get an amazingly high roll that you will use the entire time that you are leveling.
It's different for sure. It's meaningful damage is only 1 target while CC is 2. You don't have to aim surge staff RMB nearly as much as you do with void or trauma. It doesn't impact your vision as much as purg, and you can manage carapace.
Void is definitely stronger but slower to charge while surge staff is less strong but faster to charge.
I really like surge but it needs other things in your kit to back it up. Void and trauma are more well rounded.
upbeat parcel
if yall need plasteel just do damnation carnival
average of 600 plasteel per run
probably why people are grinding the shit out of it
doesn't even have to be auric just damn
river sand
carnival is a pretty long map, so its more of the shitty edge for farming plasteel
clear heath
the wider maps do kinda suck for plasteel cause of how spread out everything is
like the sandy maps
river sand
btw trauma staff wheres the meta atm, rending flurry or blazing nexus ?
feral verge
Rending flurry
strong gulch
blazing nexus 
olive ember
imagine taking warp rider
next you are going to say you should take perilous combustions smh
olive ember
strong gulch
on brand
strong gulch
When a far off bomber you never saw dies and you get credit.
plucky flax
RIP I recorded rare voidstrike gameplay but the audio didn't get recorded.
strong gulch
🥲
half iron
probably why people are grinding the shit out of it
it’s the only map rn trust
strong gulch
I almost recommended mario game music but then Nintendo would come for you.
strong gulch
it’s the only map rn trust
true facts
half iron
there’s also just royalty free music
strong gulch
and a prayer that you don't get claimed anyways, but yes.
plucky flax
Hrm without any game audio it's weird though.
People can't hear the specials sounds cue and stuff.
I think the problem was I plugged in my headphone and for some reason shadowplay doesn't record the audio.
strong gulch
Hrm without any game audio it's weird though.
True. Heavy editing could make a meme video, but that's a lot of time and work.
Seriously though, sorry about your recording.
plucky flax
It's okay I'll try to fix this problem. It was a good game I was sorta popping off.
(Don't look at psyker monster damage 
)
half iron
they took the credit though that’s what matters on the feed‼️💯🗣️🗣️
plucky flax
light quail
It's okay I'll try to fix this problem. It was a good game I was sorta popping o...
shoutouts the Keith Flint zealot
plucky flax
Was it you?
half iron
that is a level w gyatt of a stub
feral seal
That stub is a certified true aim moment
strong gulch
I don't personally like scriers with revolver, but I know plenty of people do.
Revolver + smite + creeping flames + warp siphon + true aim for me
feral seal
I don't personally like scriers with revolver, but I know plenty of people do.
...
This is what I'm gonna do
Run it on a support focused smite bubble build to take care of specials and elites
Every time I take it out is a free 80% rending crit
strong gulch
Smite can hit weakspots without consuming the crit from true aim. Set up guaranteed crit for HC.
bleak tulip
it's not even why I run smite but it sure is nice to have
smite a group of shit for like one second and you get a free crit with staff
strong gulch
Yip. Nice bonus.
half iron
i smite to stun groups in hopes that my team would revive someone/play objective/??? or farm a “throne! look at the psyker!” from a poxwalker horde
bleak tulip
I mostly do it to stop my team vetting enveloped by the rager hordes we get now
strong gulch
Gotta get those verbal head pats.
half iron
so true!
bleak tulip
usually one full zap with shout is fine to clear em
strong gulch
I mostly do it to stop my team vetting enveloped by the rager hordes we get now
FOR SURE. Packs of them. Just.. fecking packs.
neat sapphire
Aight lovelies anyone have some cool gun psyker builds? Smite supp is dragging on me
strong gulch
Aight lovelies anyone have some cool gun psyker builds? Smite supp is dragging o...
Are you familiar with psylot? Check example builds in the Atheneum in the pins. It's 31.3 of the example builds.
There is also laspistol with Infernus + dumdum, assail, scrier's, and DD with mk 4 dueling sword.
stuck finch
Assail, Scriers Gaze, DD and Las-pistol has satisfied my inner crackhead gunker
vestal fulcrum
Who are you and why are you in my store 
Low level perk and blessing, but it may yet be salvageable
cosmic sigil
ye
vestal fulcrum
Eh. I can live with that. There may be a day in which Rampage will perform better on the Mk4
cosmic sigil
rampage is currently broken af
vestal fulcrum
Yes, but, the requirement of having go throw a push attack, and hitting 3 targets with it, is somewhat steep
vestal fulcrum
And I will not be fighting hordes with this thing - I have Trauma to mop up the floor with heretics
plucky flax
Depend. If it's poxwalkers or infested horde you don't have to push attack.
Since duelling sword cleave got buffed.
I have rampage uncanny on my mk4. 
cosmic sigil
so very salvageable sword
vestal fulcrum
Maniac Lv2 sucks kind of, but it’s not like I will miss the 10%. Maybe.
light quail
i mean you rolled rampage so its an automatic win imo
vestal fulcrum
What other perk does one want on Mk4 DS?
plucky flax
I have maniac carapace on mine to kill maulers/crushers.
vestal fulcrum
I suppose that’s fair - I mostly use the toothpick on heavy elites
light quail
yeah flak/carapace is probably your best pick for another perk
cosmic sigil
you should look at the bp in the calculator
vestal fulcrum
you should look at the bp in the calculator
I will. It’s just hard to measure with Uncanny scaling accordingly with WS hits. I may have to visit Psykhanium and observe some results in a vacuum
light quail
I suppose that’s fair - I mostly use the toothpick on heavy elites
in that case:
uncanny striker over shred
that shits gonna hurt big fellas real bad
cosmic sigil
dude
vestal fulcrum
Sibling.
light quail
we need to talk about shroud crusher aoe dmg
another one learns of the power
light quail
how did you do it?
activate weapon, activate shroud, backstab, AOE has the backstab multiplier
light quail
if my way doesnt work then do what he did
activate shroud, activate weapon, backstab
might be tight unless you take the 6s duration
left mirage
nothing better than the vet on your team leaving and being replaced by an ogryn
holy shit he was so bad
cosmic sigil
ogryns are always a welcome sight
exotic tulip
Saw someone without a shirt or pants on
cosmic sigil
i miss that bug so much
left mirage
question for the 4 people still using the obscurus, how does it compare to illisi / deimos
is it a solid enough middle ground between oneshots / horde clear?
silk hawk
It's worst of all fs...
left mirage
ah, rip then
need something that can deal with crushers while doing slightly worse hordeclear than illisi
silk hawk
Ds mk 4
left mirage
what's the hordeclear combo for that, just swing?
left mirage
hm, alright
silk hawk
But o strongly recommend to combo it with assail when u feel that darkness thickens 🙂
Althou mk2 is better horde clear and mobility
But weaker penetration
So if u looking mainly for horde clear
May be u should try mk2
tired knoll
can also try deimos
dreamy storm
silk hawk
can also try deimos
Deimos is kinda shit at horde clear imho...
tired knoll
still better than duelling
silk hawk
No.
tired knoll
well maybe cuz i dont have a rampage duelling thats bugged or something isnt it
tired knoll
i swear how many things are bugged rn
silk hawk
But even if they fix it, just s usual rampage will still be enough.
Well, they rework allot of shit, so it was kinda expected xD
Tnx god they fixed surge xD
dreamy storm
till they spawn daemon in one way street
silk hawk
Well, kinda fixed xD
light quail
question for the 4 people still using the obscurus, how does it compare to illis...
obscurus still delivers the hits imo
has some awkward sweeps but the overhead H1 is top notch
maiden hornet
hey what curios should a psyker be using? double toughness?
vestal fulcrum
hey what curios should a psyker be using? double toughness?
Depending on the build, I go double health or double toughness and a stamina curio
light quail
hey what curios should a psyker be using? double toughness?
I'd rock double tough and a wound
maiden hornet
smite support build with bubble shield
silk hawk
One curio +3 stamina is obligatory if u are not using block to peril, imo
dreamy storm
if i want to survive so badly hence deflector blessing force sword
vestal fulcrum
Stamina is mainly there for maintaining mobility over longer segments of the map. Sometimes it’s handy for blocking a DH if things go really south
light quail
you have shitloads of toughness regen + dr tools no matter what build you run on psyker, so maxxing out toughness on trinkets is vital imo
and then a wound for insurance
you never know if you're going to be the team's resident ogryn magnet one round
maiden hornet
or some maulers just silently walking up to you
dreamy storm
also after using staff till 80-90 use q with scaling with perils blessing.
silk hawk
As for my opinion u should go hp, and have enough toughness to survive one sniper shot without significant dmg to hp.
light quail
nah
crushers that ignore the whole team in front of you and beeline through them while you have your back turned
maiden hornet
As for my opinion u should go hp, and have enough toughness to survive one snipe...
what would the toughness need to be for that to happen?
plucky flax
I only know how to play when I have more than 200 hp.
silk hawk
what would the toughness need to be for that to happen?
U gota test it yourself i run curious with sniper dmg resist+hp+tough so i have around like 120? I don't remember really..
west fjord
Which perk to change for crit? I'm torn#
dreamy storm
warp flurry
silk hawk
Cant check either since i am working 🙂
dreamy storm
for faster secondary
light quail
I only know how to play when I have more than 200 hp.
fair enough lmao
this tree is pretty good for learning toughness tanking though, it's got innate 20% TDR which goes to 40% while using scriers, alongside an extra 30 toughness and plenty of ways to regenerate it
maiden hornet
U gota test it yourself i run curious with sniper dmg resist+hp+tough so i have ...
alright thanks for the suggestion
dreamy storm
unyielding for crusher and bulwark
plucky flax
fair enough lmao
this tree is pretty good for learning toughness tanking though,...
Do you use staff or gun with gazer?
silk hawk
Which perk to change for crit? I'm torn#
They both had, since trauma is not benefit from range dmg stat, or so ive been told...
light quail
Do you use staff or gun with gazer?
gun personally
tree I have there is for gun, you can go down the middle or left at the top if you want scriers with a staff
also means if you take the middle aura, you can get a further toughness dr in One with the Warp
light quail
i gotta try it but just for the RP value i go laspistol
gave it a spin with no testing and a not-optimal build in auric damn new map, beat the everloving shit outta everything
scriers is crazy
silk hawk
If u want to play gun, just go vet???? 🙂
tender osprey
noh
silk hawk
Don't aggro i am trolling 🙂
light quail
yeah ik
surreal jetty
so is surge actually fixed? saw in hotfix comments that it still headshots
plucky flax
It does more damage than 1.2.11 but still not ideal.
Still not back to how it was in patch 13.
stuck finch
I miss the instagibbing
I felt like the mech from district 9 with surge staff
No wait not the mech, the lightning gun
idle delta
If the illisi is the crowd control queen, but can still do respectable single target damage and stagger, and the deimos is a single target beast but can still clear hordes respectably, wtf is the obscurus for ?
light quail
it's the middle child
does a little bit of both
gritty river
is blast radius a non-factor?
vale violet
Matters quite a bit tbh.
Oh voidstrike, matters a bit less then thought it was trauma
dreamy storm
bleak tulip
ill pass then
ik its just money might as well buy it and keep it on stock
floral turret
have a shmoll question. are the redacted achievements that were supposed to be on malice difficulty fixed or do you still need to do them on heresy?
bleak tulip
blast radius doesnt matter that much
it influences the projectile size a bit
but its not huge
bleak tulip
have a shmoll question. are the redacted achievements that were supposed to be o...
didnt that get fixed yonks ago
floral turret
idk cus i was reading on forums in october people still complaining about it
and wanted to make sure they are not insane
floral turret
i wanted to try on malice cus on heresy people are either too good or not at all and i'm just sitting here
idle delta
it's the middle child
does a little bit of both
The deimos and illisi also do a little of both while being better at their main thing though
floral turret
better safe I guess
fair enough. on heresy i will keep trying
idle delta
have a shmoll question. are the redacted achievements that were supposed to be o...
I did the vet one on malice last week and it worked. Dunno about psyker.
floral turret
no it's specifically the psyker ones
summer prairie
kind of good for a melk item
floral turret
cracked crit machine
summer prairie
I don't know why people always say cleave damage does nothing on duelling swords, it clear does
summer prairie
with 53 cleave you do 184 weakspot damage to the first poxwalker you hit, with 80 you do 200
wet jacinth
I do want to consider getting a MkIV ds at some point
Iirc that's the one with stab heavies
Just need Melk/Brunt/Hadron to stop clowning me
idle aurora
I thought all ds stab on heavy?
wet jacinth
MkV iirc is overheads
summer prairie
even if all you do is use heavies, 53 cleave damage DS does 831 weakspot dmg to a dreg gunner. 80 cleave dmg does 902. That's like 9% more damage
ornate hamlet
I thought cleave damage only influenced second and after targets
summer prairie
that's a lie
ornate hamlet
Fatshark
quartz barn
MkV ds my beloved
wet jacinth
Mainly because Of the funny Heavy stab into special action to net more dmg
I had only really seen one video of it being used
summer prairie
penetration seems more broken, doesn't seem to do anything against flak unless it's like <40. Against carapace it works
lime creek
thinking about trying to get a surge staff for the fun of it, what perks and blesssigns sould I get?
low carbon
I use warp flurry and warp nexus with maniac/flak
lime creek
surge staff is just another word for the trauma force staff right
low carbon
No, it's the lightning one
low carbon
Yeah
lime creek
ah okay. what perks and blessings for that? and my bad, thanks for correcting me hehe
low carbon
Definitely rending shockwave on trauma, the other blessing I'm not sure has as clear of a choice.
lime creek
emperah has blessed me
summer prairie
blazing spirit + warp nexus on trauma
low carbon
I like warp nexus in general because it plays well with crit talents.
low carbon
Blazing spirit will have you stacking soulblaze, but at the cost of providing brittleness for your group
So it's a tradeoff
summer prairie
blazing spirit is better if you can get it, but you probably won't unless you sacrifice perks to change the blessings
lime creek
what baout blazing spirit and rending shockwave
summer prairie
no
low carbon
Nah if you're going blazing spirit you want the extra crit
lime creek
gotcha
ill change terrifying to warp nexus when I get that blessing. but what perk should I change?
low carbon
Yeah on that one I'd go warp nexus and blazing spirit for sure, and then specialists to crit
summer prairie
flak is proooobably better but hard to quantify
low carbon
Depends on how much time you spend on high peril
potent echo
trauma is explosive damage, so it takes the dot armor modifier
in which almost all elites are flak
lime creek
so go to flakk
lime creek
great thanks lads I really apprecite it
potent echo
i need to double check lol
low carbon
I honestly gotta say I think psyker is in a really good place right now in terms of both performance and build variety.
plucky flax
Yeah you can 1 shot shotgunner with warp charges and high peril.
When they're all clumped up it's
plucky flax
I honestly gotta say I think psyker is in a really good place right now in terms...
Me using creeping flame with everything 
potent echo
at least shield/shriek/gazer has different playstyles
zealot just feels all the same
summer prairie
here's 50 penetration vs 80 penetration https://streamable.com/ox1moq
potent echo
their keystones dont really change your playstyle
DD makes you play in a cursed way like chasing a random bruiser instead of killing specials
ornate hamlet
here's 50 penetration vs 80 penetration https://streamable.com/ox1moq
Real
potent echo
i guess but its still similar like fight kill things press F
light quail
tbh I think DD might be my favorite psyker keystone
summer prairie
as you can see only the carapace damage changes
low carbon
Yeah I feel like zealot builds play very differently
potent echo
maybe my zealot is just one track mind
foggy breach
Is there a mod to make the max peril noise quieter
summer prairie
don't need a mod
ornate hamlet
Peril FX in the settings
light quail
DD makes you play in a cursed way like chasing a random bruiser instead of killi...
that's why its in the gun tree
pull out gun, plink the guy and carry on as you were
foggy breach
Peril FX in the settings
Oh I'll see if I can find that, I couldn't the last time I checked
potent echo
plink the guy behind a wall
ornate hamlet
Do it nerd
low carbon
I haven't really tried gun psyker much but I hear good things, but even with the staves there's a lot of viable stuff
light quail
I haven't really tried gun psyker much but I hear good things, but even with the...
give it a go with laspistol and you'll see how fun it is
potent echo
then you do the redlight greenlight thing where you look away for 5seconds to hope it rolls you a better target
low carbon
obscurus? really?
ornate hamlet
Let the man torture himself
light quail
yeah I rolled a damn good obscurus a few days ago
that and im too much of a stickler to run the other fs
back in my day we only had obscurus
potent echo
Heavy > light > light is pretty decent
low carbon
The illisi has very, very recently persuaded me to switch off the dueling sword
idle dagger
Would 17% toughness curio instead of one 20% Max Hp curio be a viable exchange on a Psyker?
Also isn't this like really rare?
potent echo
it is rare yea
light quail
Heavy > light > light is pretty decent
i usually do light > heavy > block > repeat for horde
and heavy > light > heavy for heavies, the overhead H1 make me very happy
idle dagger
If nobody got me, I know Brunt's armory got me. Can I get an AMEN?
potent echo
the 3rd light is too good to missout on
light quail
H1 with uncanny strikes is gaming
potent echo
the stab does crazy finesse damage
light quail
oh shit fr?
low carbon
To me the obscurus just feels like a worse chainsword, excepting that you can use a blessing to block ranged.
potent echo
yea
potent echo
and because its a stab you can funky things like
hitting mutant head from behind
obscurus is slightly faster than chainsword
also you get the FS push
low carbon
If nobody got me, I know Brunt's armory got me. Can I get an AMEN?
Only if you mean got you as in you got got
light quail
that and fs also has blessings that go super well with scriers
unstable power and blazing spirit
low carbon
It's that force blow animation that gets me. Powering up the ilisi, delivering a quick hit and then retreating feels good. Powering up the obscurus, pressing attack and then going to get a cup of coffee while the animation finishes doesn't feel that good.
potent echo
the use case is very different
low carbon
Obviously, but I run into the illisi usecase like, constantly, and the obscurus on like... on assassination missions maybe.
potent echo
that doesnt make it worse though
low carbon
I mean it kinda does
ornate hamlet
Getting stuck is awful
potent echo
you dont have to do the heavy version
ornate hamlet
The illisi's special being usable and effective in pretty much every situation is great
potent echo
light special recovers pretty quick
ornate hamlet
There's a reason the deimos got popularized by the H2 instead of the special
neat sand
I see Warp furry is working on surge again \o/ i can again ride the 97% peril XD
potent echo
yea thats because its really strong, but it still has the utility of granting 4 uncanny stacks in 1 hit
also it still technically has higher boss dps, so its nice to sneak in one or two occasionally
vale nacelle
I see Warp furry is working on surge again \o/ i can again ride the 97% peril XD
Unfortunately surge itself still isn’t working.
low carbon
Didn't they fix the random bodypart bug in yesterdays HP?
neat sand
mm i just took it out in a 3 damnation its a much better then it was sunday
low carbon
I ran it for a bit yesterday and it was fine
neat sand
seems better i think it was fixed
orchid nest
sort of. it doesn't lose damage to limbs but it still technically targets any body part. which can mean that it hits a different armor type than the perks you have and mess up breakpoints
low carbon
While that's true, it doesn't feel broken anymore
orchid nest
yeah
low carbon
And if you're running flak/maniac on it it hardly ever matters.
vale nacelle
It’s not functioning as it should/used to at the very least.
low carbon
It's definitely not the strongest staff anymore
orchid nest
yeah it'll hit unarmored instead of flak sometimes but it isn't that bad really
low carbon
I think my current favorite is voidstrike at the moment
wind halo
Damnation runs still smooth with it 
neat sand
i want a mod to put back the blood explosions i miss the blood rain so much 😦
low carbon
i want a mod to put back the blood explosions i miss the blood rain so much 😦
Definitely agree
orchid nest
it did get enough monstrosity damage to be worth using on them too so there is that as well
neat sand
100% pre sunday my boss damage fell to the floor even riding the red zone i could not do any meaningful damage but today much better
orchid nest
yeah the way it's coded it just ignores hit zone modifiers. so a plague ogryn body for example would normally have I think a 0.6x multiplier for ranged damage. the whole thing has negative modifiers for ranged, even the head, just less so
so it just ignores those now and does its regular unyielding damage
ornate hamlet
Wacky code
low carbon
That's how code do. It seems like the easiest fix is to just let it keep hitting random stuff but fully normalize all the values so it doesn't matter.
So I imagine that is what they did.
Are there significant mobility differences between the force swords?
summer prairie
deimos clearly most mobile
plucky flax
Deimos has longest dodge.
summer prairie
deimos dodges are much faster than on other mobile weapons
stable silo
u guys think i should swap crit to carpace or keep as is?
plucky flax
To flak.
low carbon
On paper illisi and deimos look pretty much the same?
stable silo
they have diff movesets though i use both alot
viscid matrix
So I imagine that is what they did.
it is what they did, its still worse, since armour still applies, and some enemies have different armour on arms to their chest
stable silo
demios > elite kill good horde clear illis great horde clear okay elite kill
combo for wiping elites on deimos is L1-H2 or special heavy
flak >5% crit?
that makes sense
viscid matrix
Deimos has amazing elite kill plus CC since it knocks enemeis on their ass if you weak spot hit
low carbon
Ok so it looks like the sprint is about equal but the deimos has better dodge. That tracks. I'll have to try the deimos next I guess.
stable silo
im an illis lover and im using primarily deimos now because i dont usually have trouble with hordes and the easier elite killing is more important
viscid matrix
Illisi is horde clear, since it has much less damage, and wide swings for its attacks, compared to Deimos with overhead slashes and stabs
both are good at what they do
low carbon
I'm really enjoying the illisi for sure
viscid matrix
i prefer MK IV dueling sword myself
unless i use an obscuros deflector block build 😄
stable silo
oh i love the illis u want a funy build go for a firesword illis build so funny not good but funny
low carbon
The duelling sword, especially the MKIV has a special place in my heart, not because it's basically the rapier from VT2 but for completely different reasons
stable silo
i tried to love the dueling sword but the insane gunners atm make deflection way more valuable IMO
sharp kraken
Is the dueling sword left click of any use at all?
ornate hamlet
Cleave
stable silo
if you panik flurry against the single unit behind you
low carbon
Oh yeah, put rampage on there and it shreds
viscid matrix
The duelling sword, especially the MKIV has a special place in my heart, not bec...
MKV is hot garbage compared to the IV
viscid matrix
Is the dueling sword left click of any use at all?
its not bad, but better to just stab repetedly with heavies
low carbon
I use shred and rampage on, it stacks up my crit talents like crazy and tears hordes apart
viscid matrix
oh i love the illis u want a funy build go for a firesword illis build so funny ...
its really good
potent echo
you dont see it because no one would recommend it
viscid matrix
you dont see it because no one would recommend it <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229061...
its a meme build 😄 burning blade, can guarentee burns 😄
its not terrible, but its not great either, great for horde clearing with illisi
potent echo
caveat is the burn only works on the first target(?)
ornate hamlet
It gives illisi some funny way to clear hordes, but I weep whenever I see uncanny weapons not using uncanny
viscid matrix
caveat is the burn only works on the first target(?)
its a suggested build in the guide 😄 only if you want to do a flame illisi
potent echo
cause the burn apply to all targets hit? i heard otherwise
viscid matrix
it should do, havent played it enough to know myself
vale nacelle
Ye it burns all targets AFAIK.
low carbon
So do you run that with wildfire?
static needle
demios > elite kill good horde clear illis great horde clear okay elite kill
I get the feeling that the length of time the special attack takes to leech the health from the elite makes the deimos kinda slow to use
wet jacinth
Obscurus: does anyone even use me anymore?
fluid knot
Deimos clears horde just fine tho
cosmic sigil
I tried it after seeing your build and I like it a lot. Perfect for controlled burst.
plucky flax
I don't spam gun enough to take advantage of fire frenzy/deathspitter. Also the close range is way too short as well.
summer prairie
sustain fire for a few bullets?
plucky flax
For burst firing of 5-7 shots.
summer prairie
so you just let go every few seconds to reset it?
plucky flax
Yeah the reset time is really fast.
summer prairie
I don't know, I feel like by resetting you are already wasting dps
low carbon
Depends on your aim, if the spread is keeping you from landing weakspot hits
also helps on ammo efficiency
plucky flax
It's for hitting multiple targets.
If it's a big guy like reaper you can still just hold left click.
low carbon
I use it on my vet quite a bit, and I definitely use it in bursts unless I'm really close
potent echo
sustained fire is kinda weird, still does less dps overall than full auto
its an okay replacement for firefrenzy/etc but dumdum should always be on it
low carbon
Oh I didn't catch that we were discussing sustained fire
plucky flax
Yeah dumdum is must. I just prefer sustained fire over ff/deathspitter.
It's something that activated all the time.
Rather than on condition.
low carbon
punishing salvo/sustained fire are kinda worthless on any weapon tbh
potent echo
you get more dps if you just full auto send it
low carbon
I can't think of any weapon where I wouldn't replace it with something else
Also even if you are bursting, it's just not very good
potent echo
bursting also you are nerfing your own crit strings, poo
columnus gets 5crits in a row better get all of them
low carbon
Yeah I do stripped down and hit & run if I can
potent echo
FF/DS are still scuffed as long as it remains at 8m
plucky flax
I'm not disuputing that it does more damage than full auto.
When the target is close I hold left click.
potent echo
apparently fatshark acknowledged that they should be 15m
low carbon
May switch hit&run for raking fire/dumdum. Really, Stripped Down is really my only hard requirement.
plucky flax
I'm talking about mid range specialist take out like bomber or something.
vestal fulcrum
Also even if you are bursting, it's just not very good
I think the value is where it’s at - you get a chance to shoot a burst of a couple of bullets that can do somewhat more than an extended burst would do. Realistically it’s hard to evaluate, but the main intention of these blessings is to provide you with a potential to do a “cheap” burst
It’s good for the things it can kill quicker if you use it well. Its use can be equally negligible if you have to shoot at something for an extended amount of time, however
vestal fulcrum
apparently its a bug lmao
That’s obscene
potent echo
or i have no idea what the "acknowledged" tag means
low carbon
I think the value is where it’s at - you get a chance to shoot a burst of a coup...
If I could get it on like, the first bullet, or first and second, it might be worthwhile on a high damage weapon like the agripinaa. Otherwise it just feels like it adds so very little damage, and on bullets that don't even have first shot accuracy.
summer prairie
what's the typo here
vestal fulcrum
I reckon FS might have wanted to avoid making Opening Salvo for IAGs, whatever the reason might be
Hence Punishing Salvo and Susfire are designed the way they are
I.e., they trigger on bullets 2-4 instead of 1
The blessings would have been much more worthwhile, but the gimmick is to get value from it while having perfect control over your bursts, which, sometimes, is not always applicable/a good decision
vestal fulcrum
I read somewhere that it’s 2-4, but take that with a grain of salt
potent echo
what's the typo here
idk if its a typo or an intended change, no communication from fatshark side other than the tag
vestal fulcrum
Pragmatism is a virtue
low carbon
I just can't think of a case where I'm landing 4 rounds on target with an autogun, but I needed 4.2 rounds, and doing 5 would be a dealbreaker
bleak tulip
what's the typo here
formal stump
What's up with the Surge Staff? I thought it was fixed but it still deals total ass damage, and I never used the double damage bug
mellow gorge
Is the damage bad? Didn't notice it when I was using it. Felt fine.
bleak tulip
they just removed the damage reduction from limbs but it still hits different armor
formal stump
Oh so it's still broken?
bleak tulip
kinda yeah
potent echo
What's up with the Surge Staff? I thought it was fixed but it still deals total ...
surge shotgunner
hits unarmored arm
no +unarmored
nice breakpoints
bleak tulip
I guess surge meta is flak unarmored now 
low carbon
Less so but yeah. If you are running flak/maniac you likely won't notice much, but if you aren't (especially flak) then ymv
potent echo
+flak/unarmored yea
mellow gorge
Less so but yeah. If you are running flak/maniac you likely won't notice much, b...
Ah see mine js flak maniac, so that makes sense
potent echo
because of stupid dreg elites
bleak tulip
also doesnt help that surge doesnt do its damage evenly spread over the active ticks
its all on the ass end
formal stump
I do fucking nothing against maulers and some ogryns and I don't remember that being the case before
bleak tulip
so if you roll the wrong dice you dont get your damage bonus for what 80% of your damage?
low carbon
Yep
low carbon
I didn't notice it hugely when I was running it yesterday
low carbon
At no point did it make a huge difference, it was an extra hit here and there, and on a crit it's a kill anyway
Yeah
potent echo
but sometimes you shock the shotgunner and it no die 
low carbon
ngl the fact that it was so broken for a while, first with the smite/ep bug and then with the hitzone thing, has lead me to enjoy the other staves more
royal wraith
mr milkers just sold me this, changed the other 2 modifiers already but how based can he be
ornate hamlet
Milkers
ornate hamlet
Homeboy gave you the capital T Taxe
potent echo
Taxe is
severe folio
mission won no thanks to this guy
potent echo
something you shouldnt horde clear with
low carbon
mission won no thanks to this guy
Using the scoreboard mod to single out underperforming players and then posting to the official fatshark discord is a really great way to get the mod banned.
vestal fulcrum
Yeah, please don’t name and shame people. We don’t get to see their Steam ID on the image, but it’s not a good practice regardless
potent echo
i doubt it will escalate to banning but yea shouldnt do it
wanton sandal
at last, level 100 but still 100% liable to blow myself up
low carbon
A little known secret is that the chances actually scale linearly with level.
wanton sandal
mission won no thanks to this guy
everyone has rough games or just isn't a god-gamer, shaming them for it is kind of a dick move
idle bay
Using the scoreboard mod to single out underperforming players and then posting ...
He was talking about himself. Self flaggelation is allowed
quartz barn
Ngl if youre going to use the scoreboard to check underperformance you want to look at things like dmg taken and enemies/elites/specials killed
azure bridge
Is revive speed on curios any good?
quartz barn
Now you just pad score with materials lmao
wanton sandal
Is revive speed on curios any good?
a lil bit can be the difference between a wipe and a clutch, i take it
azure bridge
My curios are all 5% toughness gunner resist and toughness regen what would I drop?
potent echo
at last, level 100 but still 100% liable to blow myself up
level 130* 🤓
eager mantle
A little known secret is that the chances actually scale linearly with level.
My incomparable mind can handle a bit more
wanton sandal
My curios are all 5% toughness gunner resist and toughness regen what would I dr...
prolly toughness gen since you can regen it fairly quickly with talents
severe folio
Ngl if youre going to use the scoreboard to check underperformance you want to l...
was more on the wagon that he though he is pulling his weight and mine, but ok
wanton sandal
level 130* 🤓
I KNOW 
brittle path
Guys, is it normal that the fire staff has such low damage? Or damage per stack?
wanton sandal
Guys, is it normal that the fire staff has such low damage? Or damage per stack?
post your staff
severe folio
its a damage over time kind of thing
wanton sandal
also most of the damage from purgatus is from crits applying stacks of warpfire
feral seal
270 damage taken in auric dam 
low carbon
I absolutely love toughness regen. Toughness regen + block + stamina regen, every curio every day all day.
potent echo
i've seen alot of psykers do short farts with purg and do no damage
you gotta charge it up more
feral seal
On the opposite note
wanton sandal
i've seen alot of psykers do short farts with purg and do no damage
it's useful for the stagger it provides
feral seal
Smite psykers should release smite more frequently for knockdown of trash
wanton sandal
true
slender coyote
i've seen alot of psykers do short farts with purg and do no damage
I used to do that until i actually learned i could charge it lol
wanton sandal
Smite psykers should release smite more frequently for knockdown of trash
i think half the smite psykers dont realize that smite has a push at the end of it
sometimes just a lot moroe useful to use that than keep the group stunned
azure bridge
Smite psykers should release smite more frequently for knockdown of trash
I agree for moving a horde around when needed but I always worry I'm denying ranged party members their headshots if I do it too much
severe folio
everyone has rough games or just isn't a god-gamer, shaming them for it is kind ...
i dont really mind if someone is not having a good day or if they are god gamer or not, but anyone gonna be vocal about someone else performance while theirs are not, well im takin the personal choice of clowning them
feral seal
Don't worryy headshots are only worth on targets that dont get knockdown anyway
The knockdown can be vital for things like ressing
wanton sandal
i dont really mind if someone is not having a good day or if they are god gamer ...
fair nuff, i didnt see him talking a bit of shit in the chat, but call him an L veteran
low carbon
i dont really mind if someone is not having a good day or if they are god gamer ...
That's just doing the same thing they're doing. What's said between you and jesus is your business, but that kind of behaviour doesn't belong here imo.
potent echo
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1zGHRhs4qdiz4I/d1337cp3b1vx?invite=cr-MSxKQm8sMTk5OTY0MzA3LA
smite push and followup with gun
eager mantle
Had a full party of siblings on a waves of specials and monstrous. It didn't go well
wanton sandal
Had a full party of siblings on a waves of specials and monstrous. It didn't go ...
we are good at many things, but surviving a chaos spawn is not one of them
eager mantle
we are good at many things, but surviving a chaos spawn is not one of them
That was what did us in. Along with the bombers in the far backline
wanton sandal
inb4 im called bad bc its actally really easy
azure bridge
So this might actually be hilarious but does your character height affect your first person view?
wanton sandal
yea lol
severe folio
yes it does
azure bridge
Lmao tall boy meta
wanton sandal
short is good for cover
severe folio
does height affect sprint speed
azure bridge
Lol what's considered the meta height I'm cracking up over here
eager mantle
short is good for cover
When I made all my characters near max height 
mellow gorge
Is there actually a height meta
wet belfry
Max height is usally better
potent echo
if you use voidstaff, average > max is meta
wet belfry
Easier to hit heads, see things.
severe folio
@brittle path if your purg do this then your purg is fine
azure bridge
oh my word I cannot stop laughing
wet belfry
It depends on weapon though
azure bridge
I'm gonna go max out my height and see what it does
wet belfry
Weapons like thunder hammer, knife are actually extremely impacted by height
mellow gorge
My psyker is min height and never felt like I had an issue using any of their weapons.
potent echo
theres definitely a difference
azure bridge
oh boy I needed that laugh, thats some dragon's dogma level of detail
mellow gorge
I'll take the stance of, it hasn't hurt me while using staves, force swords or sabers (yet) and not worry about it
azure bridge
i wasn't going to worry about it
mellow gorge
Or at least not jn a way I've noticed
azure bridge
I was curious thats all
brittle path
Maybe I need to level up more than I do now to have stats like yours
potent echo
you would only notice it if you tried another height setting
mellow gorge
It is weird to go from max height ogryn to min height psyker
low carbon
I made all my characters minimum height except my veteran. I have not noticed a substantive difference in landing any kind of attack, but the smaller characters take up less screen real-estate for your teammates
potent echo
Maybe I need to level up more than I do now to have stats like yours
stats dont really matter too much for that situation
wet belfry
Ive played entire games crouched
severe folio
Maybe I need to level up more than I do now to have stats like yours
what level are you
potent echo
i doubt he is reaching max stacks
wet belfry
Height is just a number.
brittle path
I just recently started playing it
severe folio
game is just numbers
limber tartan
I saw a dude with lvl 1100 something today, sadly my game crashed on the loading screen
severe folio
I just recently started playing it
what level are you
potent echo
wow we live in a society
brittle path
what level are you
15
severe folio
i see
yeah, its just low level staff
dont worry about it
and purgatus dont really kill faster than guns or melee
but if theres a crowd unoccupied by anyone else in your team
its free real estate for you to burn
potent echo
purgatis also wont show its value until damnation hi
mellow gorge
It might not kill faster, but it sure js fun
limber tartan
There is no point in upgrading items before lvl 30,
potent echo
since lower difficulties the density is so low other options are better
limber tartan
Once you hit max, then you will start getting decent weapons worth keeping
brittle path
and purgatus dont really kill faster than guns or melee
Now I understand
severe folio
so just level till 30 and then if you still want a good purgatus
potent echo
once you start playing aurics purgatus will come around again to being good/great/best
severe folio
then you can check the codex pinned
also i think guihe was talking about the small puff that is from low charge rmb ?
potent echo
yea low charge rmb
severe folio
its because if you wait until the enemy come for a full charge then its already too late
potent echo
seen alot of psykers spam it and do no damage
they apply like 2 stacks on each horde enemy
severe folio
so its still ideally, 3 short buff with flurry that translate into higher stacks
and you dont want to just, wave the flame around
potent echo
yea you really dont want to wave the flame around
severe folio
the flame torrent deals good damage and tunneling down the enemies wall
potent echo
unless you are in a pinch and want some control
severe folio
its a cone shape sort of deal
summer prairie
you want to wave it but you have to wave it fast enough
summer prairie
no
potent echo
fast enough if you have a long charge going
summer prairie
the way it works
the flame only applies one stack every 0.34s per target
if you wave it fast enough, you still apply that stack
but have much bigger AoE
potent echo
lmao thats crazy
tender scaffold
once you start playing aurics purgatus will come around again to being good/grea...
I think I've seen a grand total of 1 purg staff get used since patch 13 in aurics
severe folio
thats good for applying stacks when you are surrounded by all side
potent echo
most pubs lack imagination and flock to the popular meta builds
severe folio
but its not good for killing things
summer prairie
what
severe folio
yeah
do you know
why
its because your allies will kill them before your blaze do
potent echo
i only see >level 200 use things like trauma and purg effectively
severe folio
its very good when you are staring down a hallway
wanton sandal
i only see >level 200 use things like trauma and purg effectively
trauma is very fun, wish it was used more
good cc and good damage? hell yea
severe folio
pair with empathic evasion and the faraway gunners cant shoot you as long as theres a horde to burn
wet belfry
Trauma > purg
potent echo
Trauma > purg
which kills 30maulers faster
tender scaffold
i only see >level 200 use things like trauma and purg effectively
Thats me but I can get soulsblaze from other sources when it matters while still having a better staff or gun.
wet belfry
which kills 30maulers faster <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Faith.
wanton sandal
which kills 30maulers faster <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
i know it's not meta but damn i love running flurry rending trauma
crusher? just smack him with a fully charged trauma and he melts like butter
potent echo
blaze trauma was never meta
wanton sandal
group of maulers? not anymore
potent echo
its just big pharma
severe folio
i dont think hes talking about blaze trauma
wanton sandal
blaze trauma was never meta
i always hear people talk about fire trauma and never about flurry trauma
severe folio
well thats because if you dont have allies around the brittle kind of useless
potent echo
if anything they just default to but fire is fun
tender scaffold
i always hear people talk about fire trauma and never about flurry trauma <:sobg...
??? flurry goes on nearly every set up
wanton sandal
well thats because if you dont have allies around the brittle kind of useless
mfw im playing a team game with no team
severe folio
youre saying as if teamwipe dont exist
potent echo
mfw im playing a team game with no team
the *tide experience
potent echo
pubs are so dynamic and fun because of pubs
wanton sandal
pubs are so dynamic and fun because of pubs
when a pub clicks it's insane how fun it is, but you do have to have the bad to get the good
severe folio
enemies being knocked out is very useful but i think most of the fire trauma damage is from the fact that your teammate are not killing anythings flung away from them
potent echo
if bad pubs its like extra auric modifier, but you carry more
severe folio
except you dont get extra rewards
potent echo
if team too good everyone steals each others jobs, cant play darktide
wanton sandal
enemies being knocked out is very useful but i think most of the fire trauma dam...
it's just mixing trauma with purg to kill chaff. i find it to be useful, but i love tearing apart elites
potent echo
i try to do thunderhammer but everything die to 3 plasma vets
mellow gorge
except you dont get extra rewards
You get the exhausted debuff instead
potent echo
and horde all die to 3 psword vets
wanton sandal
if team too good everyone steals each others jobs, cant play darktide
i do find myself trying to hold back especially when im playing shit like surge + assail and NOT kill everything i see
and leave some for my team
potent echo
any high int situation die to 9 vet grenades
wanton sandal
bc i know how hard it sucks to have the psyker steal every kill
potent echo
i just run off to the alt path
i can kill everything
also take plasteel
real endgame
severe folio
stealing the kills is fine but i would hope my teammate steal the kills of the bruisers behind my back
most of the time its
run into the fray
enter the eye of terror
die
leave
wanton sandal
stealing the kills is fine but i would hope my teammate steal the kills of the b...
when the horde is here and it's high octane gamer time, yeah, kill what you can, but when we're moving inbetween i dial it back
severe folio
i play the game 4 hours a day and 3 hours is reserved for the loading screen from going to and out of the mourning star
potent echo
its good to learn to not steal jobs, makes your teamplay more efficient in the longrun
severe folio
its also good to learn what is your job is
potent echo
like let the plasma vet kill the crushers and you focus on the adds behind him etc
light quail
i play the game 4 hours a day and 3 hours is reserved for the loading screen fro...
using darkcache?
severe folio
i dont like seeing thammer zealot walking towards the reaper and his 4 other dreg gunners
severe folio
using darkcache?
whats darkcache
potent echo
idk if darkcache does anything, it feels like a network thing
light quail
caches parts of mourningstar, loads in much faster after 1st load
severe folio
well the loading isnt the problem
severe folio
its how many time i have to load in
potent echo
like if i play with friends, we all load in the mourninfstar together, as if the loading screen is a bus/train
severe folio
the loading duration is trivial
potent echo
nothing to do with client side stuff
summer prairie
it's not true that you all load it together
severe folio
its just the frequency of how many time it happens
i.e wipe too much
too much wipe
too much fukin trappers and flamers and bombers
summer prairie
when you have darkcache you return to mourningstar much faster than people on your team without it
potent echo
it's not true that you all load it together
usually my friends are only a few seconds behind, but if theres a long wait we all have to wait
severe folio
also the graphic mod erase enemies flames so i have to remove it
wanton sandal
too much fukin trappers and flamers and bombers
yeah sometimes your team jusjt does not have target priority
severe folio
no sometime its not the team
sometime its just a gaping death hole that nobody can do anything about
and you only see it after you are trapped
everyone know that feeling
the net set on you and immediately after its the flames
and then another flame
and then dogs ran pass your trapped corpse and you know your teammate gonna have to deal with that
and you know you likely arent getting out of that net
orthat flame
wanton sandal
tru
severe folio
also had carnival this morning with throd
wanton sandal
ai director sometimes just decides you are done playing
severe folio
holy shit i tell you
they spawn 4 bursters right behind us
out of thin air at the end
potent echo
also, always tag thing if you are on the ground, helps alot
severe folio
bursters, flamers
mutants
like they just literally
they didnt come out from the corner of the wall
wanton sandal
also, always tag thing if you are on the ground, helps alot
i wonder if the vet mark works when downed
potent echo
i wonder if the vet mark works when downed
hmmmm i havent tried it
potent echo
oh wait it does work, because someone was trolling a few games ago
just spam tagging all the ragers on their ass with the stupid yellow tag
severe folio
i think they were panic
potent echo
Either that or he was just loosing his shit
this
bleak tulip
idk if darkcache does anything, it feels like a network thing
I can tell you it for sure does something, it sometimes crashes the game with "out of memory" 
severe folio
i think he was losing his shit
potent echo
I can tell you it for sure does something, it sometimes crashes the game with "o...
i heard they fixed it this patch or smth
also spamming tag lets you get toughness back fast or something
severe folio
i saw that solo game mod
with the custom weapon mod that seem very tempting
it lets you make weapons of any stats and blessing you want for your solo game
i really wish for that
limber tartan
Wait shit that is great for testing builds
severe folio
yes
i think thats what people been using to test builds
thing is that i feel like if i use it, it means i gave up on playing multiplayer
limber tartan
Can you link me the custom weapon mod ?
severe folio
lets see
static needle
Which dueling sword is best at what?
potent echo
duelling4 is best at killing
limber tartan
Mk4 is best at damage, Mk5 is best at dodging because it has HUGE dodge distance and Mk 2 uh the middle child
potent echo
duelling2 is best at ?
duelling5 is best at dodging
limber tartan
I guess Mk2 is what if you thrown in some horde clear to Mk4
static needle
but besides dodging does duellin5 have better horde control than 4?
potent echo
no duelling5 lights are the worst
static needle
but the heavies? they arent only stabby stab, right?
limber tartan
Mk5 has overheads
limber tartan
No one said it is
static needle
without stab it can be hard to hit mutie head right?
static needle
No one said it is
ye ik just questioning fat sharks sanity
Do all 3 shots get the crit chance from surgical blessing?
ornate hamlet
The headshots are more about the priority than the moveset
It's how rashad used to be bugged
You'd have clear attacks that went to the head and hit the body
Some weapons hit from below and have absurd magnetism towards the head
potent echo
crusher push attack baby
ornate hamlet
Believe I the L1 of the mk4 DS is like that
While the mk5's L1 is still scuffed
Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean
limber tartan
Yea
sturdy dagger
bro am i fucking stupid i could of sworn all the staffs where techncally one family type when it comes to blessings?
jaunty schooner
Each staff type has their own set of blessings
sturdy dagger
im
no that cant be right
i got tier 4 nexus on a trauma staff, scrapped it and put it on my purge
and now its locked on all my staffs presumable except for trauma? the fuck?
fallen apex
💀
vestal fulcrum
The blessing pools are individual for each staff. If you’re suspecting your issue might be due to a bug, bring it to the forums
fallen apex
They're individual for everything for some reason
vestal fulcrum
They're individual for everything for some reason
Each staff = a weapon class
Classes have pools of blessings
Like Infantry Autoguns all have the same pool, and the pool is different from say, HH Autoguns’
vestal fulcrum
I'm saying its stupid
It’s how it’s designed. But, if they ever make a trauma staff variation, and you happen to have all the blessings - good for you, you will be able to apply them immediately
fallen apex
Yes I already said I know how it works
vestal fulcrum
I’m not trying to imply you don’t, I got the message the first time around, but somebody else who doesn’t know might get a better idea
I wouldn’t say it’s stupid in my view - if they wanted to go with a design that applies to all weapons, there probably wasn’t a way that wouldn’t have some other shortcomings.
fallen apex
Shortcomings: lost an easy way to waste player time by getting them to farm the exact same thing repeatedly
vestal fulcrum
That may have been an intention, unfortunately
white river
Been using gunker with a revolver and holy it's the most fun I've had in a while
plucky flax
Revolver is strong on all classes.
burnt mulch
revolver is fun to play 😄
idle bay
i can no longer find mod that allows to tweak weapon looks. Was it removed?At least link to Nexusmds is dead
vestal fulcrum
i can no longer find mod that allows to tweak weapon looks. Was it removed?At le...
It never was listed on Nexus, if that’s what you mean, but it can be found on #📌communities message
idle bay
It never was listed on Nexus, if that’s what you mean, but it can be found on ht...
Thanks have accees there 🙂 It came in handy
I also remember recent topic about this mod (quite long) was deleted from Fatshark forums 🙂
vestal fulcrum
I wouldn’t know anything about that
idle bay
It never happened probably 🙂
vestal fulcrum
No, I’m dead serious, but folks sometimes bring up cases like this and I just can’t care enough to be bothered, be it the post was removed by FS or by the OP
zinc phoenix
Void is such a weird staff
It’s absolutely devastating in the right circumstances but other times it’s so awkward
Like in a corridor map holy god it is king
But for snap shots in a hab map with corners everywhere I feel like I’m a whale trying to do backflips on land
Smite + shriek + the two good fire perks is such a nice combo for staggering everything and doing solid damage
glossy ember
kinda wanna run triple stamina regen on my psyker to spam push attack faster 
summer prairie
pretty sure that doesn't help
plucky flax
But for snap shots in a hab map with corners everywhere I feel like I’m a whale ...
Hab dreyko map is trauma time.
With wildfire cos that'll spread through walls and floors.
glass forge
can trauma staff explosion hit weak spot (head)? cos blessing says quell peril on weak spot hit. looks like explosion is at the feet, no where near heads
glossy ember
been told a guy averages 700k-1m on surge staff every match, damn. idk how he does it
hearty laurel
can trauma staff explosion hit weak spot (head)? cos blessing says quell peril ...
it's referring to the primary fire, which is a normal warpball shot
plucky flax
With creeping flame?
Also depend on which scoreboard he uses.
If he uses the addon it won't count overkill.
zinc phoenix
With wildfire cos that'll spread through walls and floors. <:whatthefuck_heresy:...
I do love barbecuing through walls and floors, it’s the good shit
plucky flax
So I suspect he uses the default scoreboard for more damage number.
summer prairie
I just edited my lua to give +300k
glossy ember
With creeping flame?
no idea, asked for his build
glossy ember
So I suspect he uses the default scoreboard for more damage number.
oh the overkill damage isn't substracted???
i thought it was
summer prairie
haven't used the default in a while but it definitely was before
plucky flax
The oven proof one.
glossy ember
yea i see
plucky flax
You'll have 100-200k less with the add on.
summer prairie
the mod comments say it's substracted from the total damage even with the base mod
plucky flax
It's different damage calculation then.
Cos some people enable damage on both and you can see quite a difference.
summer prairie
OvenProof says base mod total damage doesn't include boss damage, maybe he meant the other way around though
bleak tulip
the mod comments say it's substracted from the total damage even with the base m...
this is my experience as well
the numbers dont add up otherwise
summer prairie
summer prairie
this is probably why the damage is more inflated with the base mod
bleak tulip
and I think the base scoreboard also includes all bosses now? I think I read that in a patch note sometime
ah
summer prairie
According to that base mod only counts overkill if the enemy has been damaged already
plucky flax
Like here. Base mod gives more damage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1175640762038370334/image.png?ex=656bf7c8&is=655982c8&hm=ab52d50d5c0162ce8e7990eada5a62c5dcd4c1855b97d76592c6927d92dabf2a&
bleak tulip
ive had a less clear discrepancy many times tho
plucky flax
The psyker Volcker has 323k with base but 189k with add on.
bleak tulip
I ran both damage numbers or a while too and the difference basically never added up like this
glossy ember
jesus
that's a huge discrepency
maybe that explains guys going "i do 600k+ every single match"
plucky flax
I did 1000k with ovenproof add on. With base scoreboard that'll be like 1300k xd
trail mulch
can I even hit weakspots with the RMB?
summer prairie
there's one explanation above already
bleak tulip
well you locked the blessing in
trail mulch
You should've sen the perks before...
bleak tulip
on that note which staff was it again that benefits from sustained? was it all of them or just some
plucky flax
Just use the add on only. No one cares about 'muh big damage'.
bleak tulip
like the actual right click can use it when charged over like 50% iirc?
trail mulch
t3 stamina and t2 flak.
bleak tulip
Just use the add on only. No one cares about 'muh big damage'.
I mean I do thats why I cant give you any numbers anymore
trail mulch
like the fuck am I supposed to do with that!?
summer prairie
by the way this is two poxwalkers with full charge void
plucky flax
I mean I do thats why I cant give you any numbers anymore <:Kekw:929575628682965...
I did 700k with voidstrike. Must be okay staff.
summer prairie
so yeah just ignore the damage
bleak tulip
I mean keep t2 flak instead of transfer which literally dosent doesnt do anything
plucky flax
Pls nerf and buff trauma.
bleak tulip
I did 700k with voidstrike. Must be okay staff.
its ok
plucky flax
plucky flax
Trauma can never reach 500k.
bleak tulip
didnt even get top damage :c
summer prairie
if I stagger a poxwalker before killing it with void, it properly gets its max health value and awards overkill accordingly
plucky flax
Pls give t4 blazing spirits.
summer prairie
if I just shoot at a poxwalker, I get the full void damage as actual damage
trail mulch
every staff is single for blessings right?
bleak tulip
yeah
trail mulch
god, I hate this game
summer prairie
maybe it also gets the proper health values in other scenarios, but basically overkill/actual damage isn't being accurately separated right now and leads to variance
even more so between different mods
bleak tulip
hey at least most other weapons share
spice oar
no point in the staves being single, all of their blessings are the same AND there isnt even any staff variants for their marks, so whats the point?
bleak tulip
I mean they dont all get the same blessings is the thing
plain rune
staves are not single as long as you use them
unique sand
is it me or did Dsword damage get nerfed
im not doing as much damage to maniacs as i remember
bleak tulip
and 0 damage on ovenproof ??
summer prairie
yes
summer prairie
If you damage or stagger them first, their real hp values get read and then you get overkill
bleak tulip
I mean damage numbers should never have been taken as gospel but thats funny
summer prairie
but not sure if other things do that too
void in particular probably has quite inflated values
fair tusk
Hey Bud, this worth upgrading for a crit build?
Currently working with the staff on the right, and looking for more crit...
glossy ember
https://streamable.com/4rx9jf
man this is weird af lmao
flat shadow
Hey Bud, this worth upgrading for a crit build?
Currently working with the staf...
If you want to take 5 second to charge your staff sure
That looks awful
fair tusk
To the trash, then
bleak tulip
void in particular probably has quite inflated values
muh self esteem 
but yeah that would explain a few things lol
flat shadow
And I have learned how painful it is to charge a staff for what seems like eternity
glossy ember
fuck
plucky flax
muh self esteem <a:NOOOOO:1111877915030868029>
Busted.
bleak tulip
at least I can still brag with my kills being the most 
plucky flax
I found your secret.
glossy ember
void in particular probably has quite inflated values
but it's both inflated and deflated then
plucky flax
Trauma is supreme.
glossy ember
cuz 0 damage on the second scoreboard no?
when you did 375*2
or am i misunderstanding
summer prairie
the scoreboard shows 1.3k damage for killing two poxwalkers with one trauma full charge, didn't even look at the values below that
anyway for surge, if you grenade cancel you get full damage as actual instead of some overkill because it won't do those two smaller damage ticks first
glossy ember
summer prairie
oh that part yeah
plucky flax
So basically I get 1000k+ every game with my trauma
gilded radish
My god soo many kills dmg
summer prairie
trauma does so much aoe that it properly initializes enemy hp in most situations
glossy ember
anyway for surge, if you grenade cancel you get full damage as actual instead o...
oh, no wonder my damage is high
summer prairie
and of course your teammates do that too
glossy ember
trauma does so much aoe that it properly initializes enemy hp in most situations
so that becomes null?
and your teammates doing damage before you do also makes your damage null
having an ogryn brain moment rn
summer prairie
once enemies have been staggered/taken damage, the mods (both?) have access to the actual enemy hp values and can then calculate actual/overkill damage
glossy ember
oh
plucky flax
So trauma one shooting a bunch of enemies at the same time will give 0 damage anyway.
spice oar
Hey Bud, this worth upgrading for a crit build?
Currently working with the staf...
you actually put terrifying barrage on that?
summer prairie
if they just spawned yeah probably, not sure if other actions initialize their hp
spice oar
plucky flax
Aye I actually don't care anyway
fair tusk
you actually put terrifying barrage on that?
Only because I'm looking for more blessings... It's the best I have, ATM
plucky flax
cries in voidstrike doing more damage than trauma
plush jacinth
how do i make this god tier. also is 60% dmg bad on trauma?
summer prairie
just shout a lot and you'll be fine
neat sand
Void Bowling ball is good but still like watching hertics exploding with my surge staff XD
plucky flax
Rip in 60% damage
plush jacinth
i swear rolling weapons always gives me dmg as dropstat😭
neat sand
Roll a vet, give the vet the bad rng, grin when you get a god roll off the bat XD
maiden wolf
how do i make this god tier. also is 60% dmg bad on trauma?
I think you'll be fine with 60% dmg.
silk hawk
Surge gang!
plush jacinth
for reference, maybe its not that bad
plucky flax
It's 660 at 80%. So you lose 40 damage and we also have a lot of damage boost talents.
So it'll add up to way more.
plucky flax
It'll work but it's not optimal.
glossy ember
wait dang almost
plush jacinth
maybe i should just yoink its warp flurry IV bless
glossy ember
that's with nade cancel