psyker-class

[limber tartan]

But then again headhunter because you can also just kill them

[crimson folio]

Is this a good roll?

[exotic tulip]

Pretty damn good!

Perks aren't the greatest

[crimson folio]

What perks would you recommend ?

[exotic tulip]

better to change those than the traits

Probably damage to flak and maniac, but right now the breakpoints are fucked because the surge staff

Will spread to and hit limbs rather than the torso right now

[pseudo basin]

The staffs don't seem very good, I equipped a lasgun and immediately started doing way better (playing auric haz 4)

[crimson folio]

Ahh I see. Thats unfortunate

[pseudo basin]

laspistol*

[strong gulch]

Right now it's flak and unarmored. 🥲

[crimson folio]

Thank you!

[exotic tulip]

Purgatus has always been good

But fire build isn't the most engaging playstyle a lot of the time and it has many limits

[left crater]

what is the current metta of psyker because i have noticed my damage has fallen off significantly

[limber tartan]

Guns or staffs is obviously just preferance, one could argue that either is better than the other but you play whatever you like

But between a wizard, and a wizard with a gun the latter is cooler

[crimson folio]

I'm still learning psyker at the moment and trying to figure out what works best for me. But thanks for all the feedback

[eager mantle]

If you're talking about surge staff it's borked as far as we know atm

[left crater]

i thought that got patched out

[woeful patio]

I tried testing EP BB in Auric Damnation, EP stacks are definitely bugged

[eager mantle]

The surge staff has gacha rng limb targeting severely affecting its dmg

[limber tartan]

Funny zap stick

[left crater]

so dont use surge due to inconsistent damage?

[eager mantle]

Atm yes

[woeful patio]

If you have two stacks and kill a gunner with BB, it’ll return a stack leaving you at two. But hounds for whatever reason don’t?

[left crater]

okay.

[violet flax]

Did they change back assail yet?

[ornate hamlet]

EP stacks from the funny passive are elite kills

[limber tartan]

It went from using a powerline tower to instantly fry your enemies to swinging a tazer with weak batteries

[orchid shadow]

Hounds are specialists. Not Elites

[ornate hamlet]

Not sure why they made it that way, but idis wadidis

[eager mantle]

Be cool if there was nifty codex on all the mechanic terms in the game

[limber tartan]

Surely there are people in the community already working on it

May the Emperor watch over their souls

[woeful patio]

FUK

[eager mantle]

Or like you hover over any word it has a hyperlink that expands a description

[limber tartan]

Mutant is definitely a Very Special Specialist

[eager mantle]

"No code for that one'

[woeful patio]

Wait what’s the differences

Between elites and specialists

For clarification

[limber tartan]

Specialist are not on spawned on the map by default, they only appear through spawn points, additionally there are sound queues when they get near or spawn

Elites are already on the map and are basically "elite" versions of the base enemies

[proud mantle]

man with the assail changes i feel like my purgatus brain burst build is back to being my top build

[eager mantle]

Glad I didn't say. Been playing since the class update and only had a vague idea of what was what

[orchid shadow]

To sum it up with one word, yeah. I don't know why Fatshark would be so afraid to not include Specialists. BB needs more good use cases.

[woeful patio]

So Elites are are Scav Shotgunners and Dreg Gunners

Basically

Maybe Snipers?

[limber tartan]

Snipers are specialists

[woeful patio]

No sound que on spawn tho

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rat-crying-rat-profound-sadness-fototeta-gif-27638214

[orchid shadow]

Snipers are specialists. If you look in the Psyk room, all the specialists are bunched together.

[limber tartan]

Well aside from the eye blasting lasor and that different sound when they shoot

[woeful patio]

I just want brain bonk stacks

[prime elk]

the sound queue is when they fire and shave off 75% of your hp in a single shot, cleaving through a horde of 20 ragers

[eager mantle]

Mind blown

[exotic tulip]

I swear they do

[proud mantle]

slippery slope cause shotgunners technically have a sound queue too

[woeful patio]

Gunna get their names tattood on my scrotum so I never forget

[orchid shadow]

Elites include the big Ogryn Maulers and Crushers, ragers and the Flak Maulers

[woeful patio]

Thank you

[exotic tulip]

Its just a quiet laser turning on noise or something

audible within about 40 meters?

[eager mantle]

The 8 man shotgunner squad playing me a symphony

[prime elk]

was just joking, but yeah

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-upset-going-insane-cat-losing-its-mind-crazy-in-extreme-agony-gif-25382763

THE VOICES SAY ONE THING BUT THE STATS ANOTHER

Gunna carve the elites into my arm so I can remember

[limber tartan]

You can set the poxburster clicking sound as your alarm clock

You're gonna be on your feet in no time

However your first instict might be to shove it far away from wherever it is

[woeful patio]

Poxbursters are specialists

I’m sure

[limber tartan]

Yes

[woeful patio]

On the topic of elites and specialists

What the hell happened to Auric Damnation

It’s 90% Ragers now

This isn’t difficulty it’s being a dick

[limber tartan]

Thats just ai director

[woeful patio]

I want him fired the old one was better

[limber tartan]

I was served 8 weaker monstrosities on cooldown in the first few minutes in some games

Honestly there can be a whole horde of them it's fine, the issue arises when they have the nurgle blessing

[digital narwhal]

What do you mean "change back Assail"?

[woeful patio]

I think he wants the cooldown reduced back to 2 seconds from 3

[digital narwhal]

kekw

[plucky flax]

Give assail native handcannon.

[digital narwhal]

Give Assail natice Uncanny Strike, too

[limber tartan]

Give assail unlimited cleave and duration

[orchid shadow]

Basically the ones in green will give you EP charges. Red are specialists

[flat magnet]

Give assail carapice armor penetration (totally balanced)

[eager mantle]

They had an update that was to tweak the spawns to lessen the spam but then the most recent update also mentioned the combat director will ramp up on harder difficulties. Considering the game's history I can say I'm unsure if things right now are intentional

[fading iris]

give assail unlimited ammo with a lot of peril generation

[orchid shadow]

Plus the ones in the 2nd picture

[limber tartan]

I don't mind the game getting harder in a fun way, but it's gotten harder in an annoying way

[eager mantle]

I just want the aimed throw to be more useful against anything larger than a scab rager (that's the flak armored one right?)

[flat magnet]

Woe - RAGERS UPON YE

[flat magnet]

I think scabs are the unarmored ones

[eager mantle]

I can never remember

[limber tartan]

Yea

I don't know

[digital narwhal]

Silent Ragers, Maulers, and Crushers are the bane of my existence

[spice veldt]

assail is useful against quite a lot of enemies already

[digital narwhal]

Yesterday, I just had 8 Ragers materialise behind me without so much as a sound.

[hot zephyr]

Yes, scabs are naked, dregs wear armor

[digital narwhal]

[spice veldt]

heaven forbid that it has a weakness against maulers and ogryns lmao

[digital narwhal]

Wrong way around

[eager mantle]

Maulers with the most lubricated and silenced chain axes dunking on my head

[flat magnet]

But really I think assail is in an OKAY spot

Mainly I think reducing the ammo a bit to reduce spam would be decent

Much more a swarm clear than kill everything

[digital narwhal]

Scabs are the Flak'd out geezers, and Dregs are the hobos

[spice veldt]

it shouldn't even be a swarm clear

shoot it's ammo economy in the knees

[limber tartan]

I lost a run because 3 out of 4 people got simultaneously hit with an overhead from a mauler from the back and got downed 100 to 0 in an instant

[eager mantle]

Dregs of society is how I thought of them

[strong tapir]

whats the best strat to get this penance?

[flat magnet]

What should it be then?
Cause I'm
Not sure what you're thinking lul

[limber tartan]

And i don't mean a singular mauler i mean 3 maulers one for each

[strong tapir]

do i let the bots die if its not four people?

[exotic tulip]

Beast of nurgle

[eager mantle]

Have 3 friends that let you do it

[limber tartan]

@strong tapir Get an ogryn with a shield, find a demoh nost, let him agro it and just brain burst it

[exotic tulip]

and have teamates that don't kill it

[limber tartan]

Normal monstosities will switch aggro

[exotic tulip]

everyone can run faster than it

[flat magnet]

Private game,
Pref without bots

Get a beast of nurgle to spawn or an ogryn with a shield, hit daemonhost

[limber tartan]

Demon host will not swap untill the target dies, and if the ogryn deploys a shield then he is invincible

[strong tapir]

thanks siblings! o7

[exotic tulip]

That works too, very easy

[flat magnet]

I wish you luck, sibling!

[orchid shadow]

You can even get another Psyker to tank a DH if you can't find a willing Ogryn.

[flat magnet]

Oh yea a psyker with kinetic deflection can hold a DH for a while

But it's a bit tougher,

Jacks up your peril a LOT

[glossy ember]

demon nosh

[limber tartan]

🪨

[digital narwhal]

Just block the flurry attack and dodge the individual slashes while Quelling

ez pz

[flat magnet]

Okay I'll forget that the next time I aggro a DH

I never learnt how to dodge DH reliably

[limber tartan]

He's got like 2 attacks and will teleport to you no matter how far away you are from him even if you stand right in front of him soo its kind of wack

To be honest he feels kind of lazy, i wouldn't mind fatshark giving him some more action

[woeful patio]

So elites are:

• Both variants of ragers (Dreg/Scav)
• Dreg Gunners
• Scav Shotgunners
• Maulers
• Both Ogryn variants
  (Bulwark/Crusher)

Am I missing anything?

Wait gunners have two variants too

Not sure about Shotgunners tho

Aren’t those only Scab?

[fresh reef]

Shotgunners have dreg/scab variants

[woeful patio]

Really?

[fresh reef]

Yes. They're behind the ragers in the default psykhanium

[cloud heron]

oh boy here I go lighting plasteel on fire again

[fresh reef]

Please post the +15% sprint efficiency/+8% damage to specialists and Barrage/Run&Gun Trauma 🙏🙏🙏

[cloud heron]

people need to rediscover the purge staff. It takes care of ragers just fine

[orchid shadow]

Sounds about right. The ranged and the maniac rager you can 1 shot to keep chaining Everything else though will require 2 or more.

[spice veldt]

i like the rager and gunner spam

[cloud heron]

Praise Hadron

[orchid shadow]

OOOPS! All Ragers!

[spice veldt]

ranged enemies are already pretty nonthreatening and having melee elite spam to actually pressure the team outside of melee maelstrom is welcome

[flat magnet]

Purgetatus(fiery boi) is great for ragers,
And a lot of stuff

Wish more people knew it can stagger most enemies x3

Trauma works as well tho

[meager gust]

i like the spawns but i hope they add some audio cues to them like vt

[flat magnet]

Mutants are pretty not dangerous

But so damn loud
So of course the lethal shit is super quiet x3

[spice veldt]

yeah, elite patrols are easy to hear when they're unaggroed since they have this heavy stomping sound

but not when they spawn along a horde wave

[fresh reef]

[meager gust]

yeah on aurics they're drowned out by a lot of less threatening enemies

[spice veldt]

random crusher popping in behind you as an ambush spawn

[digital narwhal]

Reapers are Elites, too

[fresh reef]

Not to mention the ragers constantly screaming "WAH WAH WAH WAH"

[woeful patio]

Yes that falls under the Ogryn Variants

[digital narwhal]

You said "both, Bulwarks/Crushers"

[woeful patio]

I realize now I forgot it

[meager gust]

three trappers moving in perfect unison and hitting you with the triple net

[meager gust]

unfolding out each other like a macabre clown car

[digital narwhal]

Both Ragers
Both Shotgunners
Both Gunners
Maulers
All 3 Ogryns

[fresh reef]

I love when the trappers just decide to fuse to together

Because fuck you

[woeful patio]

Beast of Chaos?

[cloud heron]

Didn't exist in december when I put together this spreadsheet

[woeful patio]

Chaos… tentacle thing

Fair

Stealing tho

I think my scrotum has just enough space to fit this information

I will never forgot

[orchid shadow]

I just picture them as a bunch of Hulks, angry that they missed the elevator in Avengers Endgame.

[digital narwhal]

Chaos Spawn is a Monstrosity

[woeful patio]

No way

[digital narwhal]

Thought you were askin' where it'd fall under

[ornate hamlet]

I'm dabbling with a funky assail addition to try to get a better survivability on dueling sword with the toughness on warp kill thingy and whatnot

So far it's working alright

Bit odd to share it with scrier's gaze, but at least it gives me something to keep busy instead of the smite I honestly was never using

Scrier's assail gives me volley fire vibes

Sorry, executioner stance

My brain when someone says "brain rupture"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[brazen warren]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[flat magnet]

I'm using a Scriers gaze with Void strike build
I have smite with it, but considering swapping it for assail for the additional swarm clear

Then again smite is decent,
And using a catachan sword helps with swarms x3

the peril generation is just through the roof tho

[plucky flax]

Plasma vet killed 300 less enemies than me but did 30k more damage. 100 cleave OP

[azure bridge]

Is the 2 additional warp charges node mandatory?

Or could it be forgone if I had to choose between it and kinetic deflection

[eager mantle]

I think you won't miss the 2 charges for something immediate like deflection

[ornate hamlet]

If it helps you hit breakpoints, sure

Kinetic deflection is really useful though, and between the sheer block factor it gives compared to 8% more damage sometimes, I'd go with KD in a heartbeat

The 2 charges had better use back when the ability didn't consume charges for cooldown

Guess they found out me and idfk who else was just using 6 charges and kinetic barrage to stomp shit and nobody used quickening

[azure bridge]

Lol

Ty for the advice

[lethal lagoon]

We know none of you use quickening, so we decided to force you to use quickening, your welcome.

[azure bridge]

It was give up either soulstealer, 2 warp charges or kinetic deflection

[fresh reef]

I used quickening :(

[lethal lagoon]

I personally don't like kinetic deflection, cause once you get used to using it, you have to use it on every build

[fresh reef]

It wasn't good but I used it

[lethal lagoon]

Also most of the times I needed kinetic deflection, are scenarios where a wipe is coming anyways.

[ornate hamlet]

I've clutched some goated revives with KD

[fresh reef]

Kinetic Deflection is a True Aim tax

[lethal lagoon]

Same, and then they just died 10 seconds later

[ornate hamlet]

It also helps with blocking bosses

[lethal lagoon]

If you need KD to rez someone, it's probably a bad spot

[ornate hamlet]

Dueling sword's 2 whole stamina gets kinda wack

[hard solstice]

Anyone know if smite being able to hit weak spots currently has been acknowledged by fatshark as a bug and unintended, and if so will be removed? It enables some very interesting possibilities via the “true aim” talent node, but I don’t want to invest in a build that hinges on a potential bug that will be removed

[ornate hamlet]

Well, more that it's a lot of enemies screwing my block

[strong gulch]

I like it but I wish it was in a different spot.

Playing with it and without it is so different to me and I don't have the brain power to remember if I do or don't have it.

[ornate hamlet]

A crowd of poxwalkers can slap me silly, but with KD they do nothing

Then I pull the guy up, he shouts really loud at them and we kill them in 5 seconds

[cloud heron]

There's your precious chaos spawn

[fresh reef]

I don't really feel like I need KD most of the time, but it's like insurance

Knowing that I will literally never get stuck in the blockbreak stun

[thorn cedar]

KD lets me use my stamina for everything else.

[fresh reef]

That too

[thorn cedar]

Push spamming, push attack spamming, sprinting, etc.

[fresh reef]

Push attack spam on knife goes crazy

[thorn cedar]

Don't have to care if it's at zero really.

[hot zephyr]

Hm, Seems that +% to Caraspace is really limited in application. I see why Flak/Maniac is so commonly used.

[cloud heron]

Forgot the unarmored section

[silk hawk]

do we have a breakpoint spreadsheet per weapons?

[elder jackal]

did they fix surge?

[noble trellis]

was thinking of putting blazing spirit on this, what do you guys think?

[tawny pebble]

i've always had a lot of fun mixing rending + blazing

[hot zephyr]

Should call it s BloodBoil build

[tawny pebble]

but i'm not damage-focused, so swap out rend for blaze if you so choose, so long as you have the other talents to stack as much soulblaze as you can

[cosmic sigil]

Darktide Breakpoint Calculator - dt.wartide.net

[strong gulch]

If there is one, I'm not aware of it. BPs can vary a lot from build to build.

There is the Antheneum in the pins. Check out the read me for updates. I don't think it's updated to patch 15 plus hot fixes are on the way.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[strong gulch]

not yet

[wise sundial]

Dumb question sorry but... I have made 3 staffs and still no surge blessing. Can you only get this when you fully upgrade it since it's tier 4 only? Or can it be the first blessing that you get?

[silk hawk]

it can be first, but chance is much lower

[noble trellis]

you can technically hit a tier 4 on first roll, but it's very rare
and definitely not worth spamming upgrades for

[strong gulch]

There is a play style with rending + blazing spirit and getting crits with true aim. It's a bit too fiddly for me but some like it.

Otherwise if you want to commit to fire trauma, you can switch rending to blazing spirit and sprint to flak.

[wise sundial]

What's the best way to target farm it then?

[noble trellis]

I'd personally just keep a lookout in melk or fully upgrade one that might already be worth keeping

[wise sundial]

Already made this one and it's just so good I don't want to make another lol

[strong gulch]

You can get T4 blessings on blues, but your chances of getting them on oranges are higher.

Some blessings just don't want to show up and emotionally damage us. 😭

[strong gulch]

Valid. You can always farm more later and fix up / use what you have. 👍

Best way to farm for a specific blessing to to level weapons that blessing can be used and shared on. In the case of staff, it's staff specific. So level up voids to get surge is the way.

[wise sundial]

Oh one other question (for now lol)... when you are crafting at the hadraon you can only refine an item twice... does reblessing an item count as refining it or is that entirely different?

[idle aurora]

i remember dumping 10k plasteel to finally get t4 brumentum for ogryn shield

[noble trellis]

reblessing counts yeah

[wise sundial]

Cool thanks

[wise sundial]

so basically it's just extremely expensive to try to get surge haha

[silk hawk]

its not that bad....

[strong gulch]

The amount of plasteel I dumped to get surge blessing is unthinkable. Been playing since beta and got it THIS week. PAIN

[silk hawk]

i spent like 6k to get surge

u guys are on crack

[strong gulch]

My heart is cracked.

[idle aurora]

But overall melk was very generous with blessings, i have gotten majority of them from him

[ornate hamlet]

Better to be goated than to be cracked

[strong gulch]

For sure. Random T4s from melk is a good way to get them.

[silk hawk]

how important reload speed on revolver? is 6% matter alot?

[noble trellis]

on psyker it matters a lot more imo

[silk hawk]

on zealot, but its basically same

[copper torrent]

You're just ready for when they revert everything. cries in copium

[bleak tulip]

and I thought I had a bad wrap

[tepid umbra]

Damn, not a bad natural craft

[bleak tulip]

I didnt even play for like 6 months

and got it like two weeks ago

[strong gulch]

6% reload speed? 💀

You don't need it maxed, but that is low.

[strong gulch]

Noooo that is tragic. You are THE Voidstrike Enjoyer.

[strong gulch]

Congrats!

[bleak tulip]

well I did get it recently ish

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

also I just had a hi int game where I got the blursed dreg rager parade

spent like a solid 5 minutes kiting shit in hab dreyko as zealot

[half iron]

sticking out your smite for the rager
you’re so dueling sword
you’re so scrier’s gaze
i just want to be your ✨psyker✨

[bleak tulip]

I wish I was psyker for that one ngl

[elder jackal]

is grimoires contract bugged?

It doesnt add the progress

[strong gulch]

That place gets flooded with ragers.

[wind mango]

my psyker right now :

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534035608125964300/1175172160277454928/image.png?ex=656a435c&is=6557ce5c&hm=f4efeafc4d973c09db842fc2770786729af17cb390088a82a3a359ad3af9945b&

[strong gulch]

Playing with my revolver BPs post warp rider fix. With 5 warp charges and handcannon crits, I can two shot crushers in the head and one shot scab ragers in the body.

[tawny pebble]

TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU

[wind mango]

Snorts in Beloved

[tawny pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-cabello-cocaine-flour-knife-gif-15735498

[wind mango]

i mean i literally turned my psyker into your average crack addict that runs around with the knife and uses scrierz gaze to run faster and stab harder because "beloved" said so

Only using the knife, nothing else

[steel flame]

Rampage over shred and you got yourself a dam good toothpick

[strong gulch]

Now put DD on it for more fast

[tawny pebble]

gives a whole new meaning to "laughs madly/painedly"

[wind mango]

if it wants to work in the first place

using warp charges to have scriers gaze off cooldown faster

[hot zephyr]

So close, yet so far

[steel flame]

It does

[strong gulch]

DD glows now

[wind mango]

yeah but its % chance to mark

[strong gulch]

Was that fixed??

[wind mango]

and the fucking thing could mark someone i cannot even run up to and stab

[bleak tulip]

I mean no it just marks something in range basically all the time because there is always enuogh

[wind mango]

or a teammate kills

[bleak tulip]

well you use your ranged weapon you see

[wind mango]

fuck you, knife culture.

[bleak tulip]

fuck you go play zealot

[steel flame]

Unless they fixed it, it doesn't reduce cooldown of scrier unless you trigger scrier at 100% peril

[tawny pebble]

[wind mango]

eh, then more damage, better option still than DD

[steel flame]

DD is more damage

Alot more damage for knife

[wind mango]

more DD but its inconsistent, and the moment duration is out, all stacks are gone

[steel flame]

Knife also has high finesse damage

[wind mango]

untill DD has decaying stacks like warp charges, i wont be usin em

[steel flame]

And dd is not inconsistent, whoever keeps spreading that Bs needs to STOP

[wind mango]

i tried many times but fuck sake, 20% i gain charges, rest of the mission JUST DOSENT FUCKING WORK.

[steel flame]

You aren't even getting warp charge damage during scrier cause you lose em all during ult

[wind mango]

LITERALLY, HORDES OF SPECIALISTS , POX WALKERS
DD : asleep.

[bleak tulip]

basically nothing but WC gets decaying stacks so why would this

[tawny pebble]

when is DD on Real Shit?

[steel flame]

?

[wind mango]

DD when there is one single fucking pox walker on the other side of the wall : REAL SHIT

[tawny pebble]

oh you poor thing

[wind mango]

its beyond fucking inconsistent for me to use

[tawny pebble]

Empowered Psionics vs Warp Charges, which is preferred?

[wind mango]

** i dont even use blitz on my knife psyker**

[tawny pebble]

on a given build anyhow

[bleak tulip]

WC because damage and CDR

[strong gulch]

really depends

[bleak tulip]

EP literally doesnt add anything unless youre using your blitz a hell of a lot

[wind mango]

tho if i were to choose a blitz, i would want the brain rupture for kinetic flayer, but with how the psyker tree is structured, im forced to get assail

[bleak tulip]

thats like the exact opposite of the usual way this statement goes lol

[uneven compass]

How's EP + smite + true aim this patch? Assuming not much difference but hoping it's at least some decent damage

[strong gulch]

For my builds that need help with break points, coold down reductions, or warp resist, I go for WC.

[wind mango]

my knife build for psyker atm goes like this : Right side only to go through assail (and nothing else from it) and grab crit chance aura, then grab both dodge passives and get scrier gaze, then i go for WC keystone

[strong gulch]

The exception for me and break points is BB / BR heavy playstyle, but that leads me to prioritize BB / BR way more than I should be.

[wind mango]

crit someone, guaranteed dodge against ranged, constantly proc blessing on my knife

more crit chance and more finesse on dodge, more damage, more free dodges

and then i just go through the entire mission and introduce the heretics to the knife culture

[strong gulch]

I don't use purg staff much, but when I do I take the dodge on crit passive. Just stand there spraying fire and totally for real dodge. 😂

[wind mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79NGnifCHs

[waxen abyss]

Kinetic Flayer - Does that hard cooldown of 15s apply per enemy? Like you can proc it against 10 different enemies at the same time and each one has their own cooldown..

Or does it apply only once every 15 seconds no matter what

[trail mulch]

purgatus staff perks?

[ornate hamlet]

Brain burst is okay

Just had a handful of elites to deal with

Nothing special

[near wyvern]

Psylot still rocks (Columnus + Assail + Creeping Flames)

[ornate hamlet]

Granted I also kinda hardly used my laspistol that round

Shit was so frenetic I don't even remember having shooters to shoot at

Gunners though? Yeah, EP was getting some chains there

I was also using the funny 192 toughness psyker build with the funny peril-scaled toughness DR

[near wyvern]

the only thing nice about BB is when you get back to back EP chains going on

[ornate hamlet]

Just to make a point to the Moebian

Oh yeah, and I also was using shout and kinetic barrage

Since elites are the only way to chain EP, I could fall back on the shout to get fast specialist BBs

Which is kinda funny

All this stuff and I ended back to KB spam

As God intended

You can take the pre-13 psyker out of the game, but not out of me

[static needle]

which perk to run?

flak?

[hard solstice]

Smite currently can proc true aim for you, but it’s unclear whether this is intended or a bug. The same kind of behavior applying to the surge staff, that being the targeting of random body parts by the lightning, is being treated like a bug that is currently making the surge staff do less damage. I hope they leave the change for smite, but I doubt fatshark will recognize such a cool and fun, build enabling synergy, and instead just remove it.

[near wyvern]

Based on the messaging so far the change was intended to be visual only but the code implementation was done in traditional quality

[untold widget]

FS is pretty anti build synergy as a rule

so

[strong gulch]

@trail mulch @static needle Crit chance, flak, or maniac are your friend on purg.

Personally I'd opt for crit chance and flak if I can have both.

[hard solstice]

Fatshark being fatshark is by far the most painful part of playing this game. You can’t build anything without the fear that not only will fatshark potentially nerf it, but also break it so fundamentally as to make it unusable anymore. Any cool synergies you discover, they’ll just eventually remove, because it turns out the player base understands the game they made more than they themselves do, and we discover and make possible things they had no clue could be done.

It ends up just being “play the fatshark approved, pigeon-holed meta that everyone else runs” or you play some really fun jank that might work today but be completely broken tomorrow.

[plucky flax]

Not all devs are as good as larian. 😭

[cloud heron]

I dunno about this. I didn't play the game at all from february to october and all of my stuff was perfectly usable

[cloud heron]

I feel like darktide is actually really generous as far as what's useable or not. Like, sure, my godroll obscurus force sword may not be as good as an equivalent deimos force sword now, but it still does what I need it to

if anything, I feel like weapon variety has only expanded over time

[zealous oak]

I'm having trouble having fun as a Psyker since the Surge-ES interaction got removed, help me frens

It was definitely OP, but Surge is kinda bad without it (even without the current bug)

[echo frigate]

They broke the surge staff

[plucky flax]

Surge is good with creeping flame warp charges.

When they fix this limb bug.

[orchid shadow]

It was decent without the bug. I think you're just feeling the whiplash of going from the Single target change to OP to the tickle of a snake tongue.

Just too bad that we won't get the hotfix for the weekend.

[plucky flax]

FartShart timing with 'hotfix'.

[hexed bay]

I am kinda new to this game what's batter force sword or dueling

[bold maple]

use corn starch for batter

panko bread crumbs work too

[azure bridge]

is rending shockwave any good on a trauma staff?

[bitter sky]

https://i.imgur.com/U32hJTh.png need opinions- i was looking at other people's recommendations but i was unsure what else i should fine tune/have

[uneven compass]

ya i knew it can proc true aim but wasnt sure if it could actually use the crit it generates. Tested it out and itll just build to 5 and wont allow smite to crit at all. Doesnt seem worth unfortunately, was hoping smite was able to crit and that would cause it to crit very often

[sour bison]

U stack with smite and then u crit with something else

Like void or surge or revolver

Thats an idea

[sour bison]

Main difference is dueling sword has passive vent

And with force sword you almost have to vent with a button

[hexed bay]

the thing is I have a preety hard time dealing with flak and carapace armour

[hard solstice]

Smite generating true aim stacks but consuming them by critting itself is the best thing about that current interaction. It lets you run something like voidstrike staff with surge and blazing blessings, for a guaranteed two charged shots critting and both applying tons of soulblaze, for example.

[brazen warren]

smite crit would actually be funny as hell with SG and empower

[smoky fractal]

fire truama is reeeeaalllly good

and i never have to switch off staff cause i use the blast at my feet

[tired knoll]

both duelling sword and the deimos force sword are good against carapace. duelling better against bigger groups of carapace while deimos can handle hordes better imo

[eager mantle]

Depends what you like. With force sword you can mess with peril, charge it up, possibly have bullet blocking with it.

With the dueling sword you can play bullfighter with any high health enemy and if your aim is true make quick work of even crushers with some weak spot charge attacks

[brazen warren]

so did the meme channel get deleted?

[eager mantle]

On my gunpsyker I like running around crushers and maulers poking their heads

[hexed bay]

you duys are amazing ty for the info

[sour bison]

mk4 dueling strong attack is pretty good aainst armor

and charge with deimos just deleting crushers if buit right

oh

have they fixed second heavy deimos attack?

is it still knocks everything on their butt?

[slow raven]

it still does yeah

wdym fixed though

is that supposed to be a bug?

[tired knoll]

dont think any other melee can knock a crusher on its ass in a single hit

[spice veldt]

passive venting on force swords is not that much slower

I forget the exact numbers, but non-force passive venting was in the ballpark of +25% faster

I assume they have 80% quell speed set

[sour bison]

with Fatsharks?

[spice veldt]

compared to force swords which only have 50% quell speed

[sour bison]

do we know if psyker is a bug?

[untold widget]

Important to know if you go with the Deimos, Rending strike blessing charges up to 4 on a charged weak spot hit, so you can get that damage ramped up quick

[hardy stump]

which are best psyker weapons right now?

[cloud heron]

Any staff except for surge is good

[fresh reef]

is it safe to like voidstrike now? I forget

[prime elk]

columnus mk v

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/993943351281856532.webp?size=48&name=heHeh&quality=lossless

[fresh reef]

unrelated to my question about public scorn for using Voidstrike, is this good besdies the T3 Nexus?

[inner pilot]

whats up with my psykers hips

his waist got me

going crazy........

[fresh reef]

midriff enjoyer spotted

[inner pilot]

np

no

[fresh reef]

based token distributed

[inner pilot]

he's doing da bodybuilder pose

i do not like midriff

take away ur based token

[fresh reef]

based token redacted

bro is way too built to be constrained by the polo shirt though

[inner pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/gon-pose-sexy-body-muscular-gif-13708666

he's doing the fucking gon pose

[fresh reef]

it's a power stance

you should take his shirt off

oh

wait

[bleak tulip]

hi int is some shit now lmao

[fresh reef]

Sheesh

Just hi-int?

no hunting grounds?

[bleak tulip]

the secret ingredient is dog c:

yeah it was dog

gauntlet

[fresh reef]

ah okay

dog

[bleak tulip]

thats why the disablers

smite very good for dog too

[fading iris]

"I forgot to quell"

[bleak tulip]

even less reason to bring ass ail

[fresh reef]

dog

[bleak tulip]

dog

[fresh reef]

I'm guessing you run Smite with Void?

[bleak tulip]

obligatory "bring back this outfit" post

[lyric burrow]

wrong image

[bleak tulip]

I even got commended for the outfit lmao

[bleak tulip]

ye

[fresh reef]

"woah dude where'd you get that"

[lyric burrow]

@lunar hollow your graia/mk4 build goes dummy

[bleak tulip]

"I bought it like last year c:"
"oh"

[fresh reef]

the raw disappointment

this is why I just wear my shirt and jeans lul

[stable leaf]

Is blazing spirit voidstrike viable? I got a pretty good staff for it I can craft up into something nice

[fresh reef]

it's not really worth on void

it's fantastic on Trauma because the blast radius is so large you're applying it to everything it touches

but for Void, you're only going to realistically see that soulblaze being applied to crushers, maulers

[stable leaf]

Yeah, I got blazing trauma today at last and it is awesomely

[fresh reef]

tankier enemies where you'd be better served by surge blessing anyhow

[lunar hollow]

[lyric burrow]

also assail still busted

[fresh reef]

it's pretty balanced now

[lyric burrow]

what perks do you run on it out of curiosity im stuck with elites cant decide between flak or maniac

[fresh reef]

still solid, just not "this is the only thing in my kit I need to use ever"

[lunar hollow]

on graia?

flak

IAGs have worse adm vs flak relative to other stuff like fleshy targets

[lyric burrow]

ok makes sense

[lunar hollow]

for basically every iag i run flak + dumdum

[lyric burrow]

im stabbing a lot of maniacs anyway

[lunar hollow]

and the other perk/blessing is whatever

[lyric burrow]

yeah im running deathspitter dum dum

[lunar hollow]

a 2/4 iag will perform roughly as good as a 4/4 so long as u dont have objectively awful locks

elites is p solid

[lyric burrow]

yeah its dum dum 4 and deathspitter 4

[lunar hollow]

i would put it on par with any other good damage perk

yea not bad

[lyric burrow]

i wasnt sad about elites its like

fine

[lunar hollow]

i mean iag doesnt really need help with other armor types

[lyric burrow]

other one was unarmored which i think this gun has a good profile vs anyway

[lunar hollow]

vs maniac u already shred

elites is good value and doubles up on helping with flak which is real nice

[lyric burrow]

yeah nice to cover gunners

but it did much better than expected i was impressed with it

[lunar hollow]

fortunately psyker gets ds4 so ur never really stuck in a "good god i have to bodyshot these 3k hp maulers" situation

people SLEEP on the graia

and overvalue columnus imo

[lyric burrow]

assail still did a lot of heavy lifting

not looking at the ceiling after 5 bullets is nice for longer range or multiple targets

[lunar hollow]

its very much a gun with a heavier emphasis on being used at longer distances

not as reliably as the agri for that but graia is the most solid all-rounder imo

[lyric burrow]

ive also used agri to death anyway

dont mind swapping to graia

[lunar hollow]

i simply love the graia

[spice veldt]

graia has one less shot in the crit string so i'm going to shoot it in its kneecaps

[lunar hollow]

dude

fuck u

im prepping for the global crit string deletion

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[lyric burrow]

you cant aim anyway opinion invalid

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[lunar hollow]

recon lasguns were first on the chopping block

u know its gonna happen

[spice veldt]

no

nuh uh

[lunar hollow]

it has to

[spice veldt]

never

[lunar hollow]

its such a bad game mechanic

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats true lol

[spice veldt]

never ever

they wouldn't hurt my crit strings like this

[bleak tulip]

good and healthy game mechanic

[lunar hollow]

it is literally ruining any on-crit effect

that can occur on an automatic weapon

because it distorts a lot of blessings/talents on top of just giving u way too much effective crit chance

[spice veldt]

10% crit chance translating into 30% crit chance

surely this seems rational and sane

[lunar hollow]

do u know whats fucked about this

charmed reload on stubbers

achlys has a 6 crit string

[lyric burrow]

tbh im surprised they didnt just hit crit strings in general

[fresh reef]

what the fuck is a crit string

[lunar hollow]

charmed reload gives 5 back on crit

[spice veldt]

wait

is it each crit

[lunar hollow]

once per string

on the initial crit that procs it

[spice veldt]

oh ok god bless

[lunar hollow]

but this means

on achlys

[lyric burrow]

when critting on a automatic weapons you get a string of crits applying to multiple bullets, which gives you massive crit chance

[lunar hollow]

u are ammo negative always

[spice veldt]

lmao

[lyric burrow]

its not just one bullet critting or getting crit chancce

[lunar hollow]

but the other stubbers do not have

a 6 crit string

meaning the raw value they get

[spice veldt]

what the fuck

[lunar hollow]

is higher

[spice veldt]

it's 6 shots?

[lunar hollow]

YEAH

LIKE ??????

[lunar hollow]

for the achlys

the other ones have shorter strings

[lyric burrow]

thats what made recon lasgun have like infinite ammo

[lunar hollow]

but u crit, u get 6 shots of crit string

[spice veldt]

what fucking crack

[lunar hollow]

charmed reload gives u 5 reloaded from reserve

no u dont have infinite ammo

sadly

[spice veldt]

did they look at TF2 and think that crit strings were good

[lyric burrow]

also on the most accurate stubber now

[lunar hollow]

achlys is deranged

the buff they did was so poorly thought out

[fresh reef]

ah, I can only wonder why I don't know about it

doesn't like gunker
flamethrower
don't play enough to notice
plasma
lmfao

[lunar hollow]

THE META FOR THE STUBBER IS TO CROUCHWALK. IT IS THE MOST MOBILE STUBBER. IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTS YOU TO CROUCH

AAAAAA

[lyric burrow]

tbf they buffed kickback the way they did

[lunar hollow]

then they stealth nerfed the min pellet count

now a guaranteed 2-shot on snipers

😔

[fresh reef]

boowomp

[lyric burrow]

me when the blunderbuss no longer outsnipes every other gun

on ogryn

[lunar hollow]

so sad

[lyric burrow]

good thing snipers wont ever break your toughness if there is a single melee enemy near you anyway

[lunar hollow]

but its fair and balanced, because u give up like a marginal dps increase

[lyric burrow]

good thing your old best gun one shot everything anyway and the new one has 6 bullet crits

[lunar hollow]

crit chance achlys is actually like

kinda meta

its fucked up

[lyric burrow]

i am glad to see achlys be good

but damn

[lunar hollow]

but im fairly convinced

fatshark has no idea what they wanna do with most ogryn weapons

theyre all over the place

[bleak tulip]

idk man rippy feels very good and how youd think it would operate

besides yknow, it just melting everything with fire

[lyric burrow]

rippers are fine imo

like baseline

idk about mk6

[lunar hollow]

rippers were overtuned in the pre-patch 13 world and then they buffed elite hp

[lyric burrow]

literally never seen or used it

[lunar hollow]

now its ok

u can still 2-burst a crusher with can opener

[trail wigeon]

Still experimenting with the pysker build. Currently level 21

[lunar hollow]

u dont even need +carapace anymore u just take soften em up and dominate

[bleak tulip]

literally havent played much else on ogryn

[lyric burrow]

i love rock im so sad that soften em up is locked behind anything but rock

er

[bleak tulip]

I think back to the days when you just looked sadly at crushers

[lyric burrow]

other way around

they used to be so much worse lol

[ornate hamlet]

You hate rock

[lyric burrow]

they didnt one shot and didnt show up in packs

no its locked behind not rock is what i meant to say

i do like rock

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I don't get the paths

[ornate hamlet]

I can't take the toughness boost when teammates go down if I don't take the elite aura, for example

And it's weird

It's not like cooldown or crit have some secret interaction that breaks the game

[slow raven]

you cant do venting shriek and crit aura at the same time for some reason

makes no sense tbh

[ornate hamlet]

Hell, zealot and vet have horizontal bridges instead of this angled nonsense

[crude cape]

Anyone have an opinion? I cant decide which second blessing on dueling sword i like after uncanny. Reposte and precog both feel good. rampage sounds good but i feel like it has a hard time triggering. is it just me or its kind of hard to hit 3 targets with the mk V dueling lights?

precog feels harder to keep triggered/notice for some reason tho than reposte

[ornate hamlet]

I use shred

[sonic whale]

Thankfully Satfhark have fixed the hair piece on the back of this

Before it was similar to this (Bit hard to see)

[ornate hamlet]

All compressed?

[sonic whale]

Yeah

[tender terrace]

not bad

[ornate hamlet]

Buenito

[trail wigeon]

For my staff pysker.

So i scream, smite and staff.

Do more damage
Quell more peril
Gain more toughness
And spread the flames.

Sounds solid

[steel flame]

They are desperately trying to contain blazing trauma's power

[desert mirage]

its not fair, that awful damage..

[steel flame]

Too bad it's a 5 and not a 4

[steel flame]

But yeah it looks like they are trying to throttle the blazing spirit fire procs a little bit by hiding crit aura away from fire shout

[severe folio]

they have been doing that for a long time

since the beginning of the talent tree

i dont think they have blaze trauma in mind for that, but purgatus

[steel flame]

Eh

I guess

[idle aurora]

Is there a node that speeds up charge rate? I know about quell speed one

[pale pilot]

nah, charge rate is enitely weapon-side

entirely

[severe folio]

yep

if you want to improve charge rate even further youll have to pick warp flurry

[ornate hamlet]

Warp furry

[pale pilot]

warp flurry speeding up charge rate is the reason it's basically one of the two best weapon blessings for staves

the other being warp nexus because free crit is free crit

[frail spear]

And we love free crit

[cinder mesa]

ayo?

[desert mirage]

Yoo

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1034298802905022494/caption-2-2.gif

[strong gulch]

I should have stopped at purple.

[desert mirage]

statwise this seems insane

perks and blessings aside

[strong gulch]

ye

[fading iris]

that + 3 of these and you are ** ++ golden ++**

[desert mirage]

plasteel rewards is a relic perk??

[severe folio]

thats a lie

[fading iris]

Look at the bright side, you will use ranged speak spot damage, revolver tend to be always low on ammo and the first blessing helps when a panic salvo happens

[severe folio]

i have never seen it before

[fading iris]

It's the secret sauce

a.k.a. something that I made on paint and will meme thiccsushi into make it a thing

++ SPREAD THE WORD ON THE BEST CURIO ++

[daring crescent]

Anyone got a BB build and tips that makes the Power Up penance as painless to finish at possible?

[strong gulch]

T4s now.

[fading iris]

But the revy was perfect

[strong gulch]

no

[crude cape]

ok so, i blew myself up TWICE. bc im bad. i gotta get back into practice lol assail + no venting can be tough.
but man, trauma + assail + bubble does feel pretty good rn I feel like i hard carried this match overall

[pastel rapids]

How do I make that penance where I need to do 90% of damage to a monster painless?

[fading iris]

Are you saying that the OMNISSIAH'S BLESSINGS are bad?

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-9829547

[hasty python]

anyone able to help with penance 🙂

[fading iris]

Funny enough, in universe you would have to train the best poker faces ever for when that Hadron servitor comes back with some bad stats

[pastel rapids]

Do you need help with the Monster penance?

[hasty python]

bingo that's the one

[pastel rapids]

Same, maybe if we find two more folks we can all help each other?

[hasty python]

sounds good I'll add are you needing that one aswell?

[pastel rapids]

Aye, I am

[hasty python]

hmu if you manage to get others or want to give it a go I'm online now

[pastel rapids]

https://discord.gg/Gb94mwD9

[long wharf]

as soon as that t1 blessing rolled, junk time

[desert mirage]

would this be better to swap to as a potential?

or does the lack of finesse ruin it

[long wharf]

ruins

you want finesse, it's crit damage and attack speed

[mossy sundial]

how're psykers this patch? did we get fucked over in any area?

[long wharf]

fucked over? no.

surge staff got fucked, I guess

[desert mirage]

damage is a lil lower but

[long wharf]

but some bugs were fixed that were fun

[desert mirage]

finesse is max

nearly

[long wharf]

you don't sacrifice damage for it, though

[mossy sundial]

man i just need this game to have as much content as vermintide :(((

[prisma condor]

👀

[night crater]

I just can't seem to earn any blessings

Staves are rare to begin with but it's always the same 3

Surge looks really cool

[prisma condor]

Yeah, Melk keeps shoving guns into shop

0-2 staves and rest are guns

[desert mirage]

is this worth getting at all

[long wharf]

sure, to strip precog

[night crater]

When you earn a blessing, is it for that weapon mk only or for any weapon eligible?

[rigid rune]

check if it hits the mutie breakpoint

[prisma condor]

I have similar but it's on mk 4, only flak instead of stamina

[desert mirage]

how can i check that before spending the melk coins on it, lmao

[rigid rune]

just use your mind

[night crater]

Inspect

[desert mirage]

god if this was cleave swapped with mobility

[prisma condor]

With both blessings on it's almost 1

You can get a bit more from peril buffs on tree

[desert mirage]

I hate you hadron

[strong gulch]

true

[proud hinge]

@near wyvern hello, do you have a changelog for your guide? I can see the last-updated time but it would be very useful to see what you change as time goes on!

[strong gulch]

There's a read me section that has updates.

[proud hinge]

oh i see!

this should be removed btw!!

[analog solstice]

Did surge staff get nerfed recently? doesnt seem to have the kick it used to have a couple months back

[proud hinge]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

It targets a random body part

Kinda wacky now

[analog solstice]

damn, went from breing pretty viable to trash

gotta cast it like 10 times to kill a crusher now 😭

[robust grove]

not quite trash

but yeah its a real pain having to spam it to kill anything

[pastel rapids]

Malleus Monstorum anyone?

[fading iris]

best part of the new map

[fading iris]

Not a nerf, but is bugged at the moment

[opal pebble]

I used to if you mean the sword damage to buff warp stuff

[ornate hamlet]

Jingle my bells

[fading iris]

stuff that supposed to be cosmetic, was coded as damage

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75 a fix in on the way, we need to wait

[midnight turtle]

what're the biggest differences in the marks for the cavalry saber?

or the duelling sword

[ornate hamlet]

Moveset and armor modifiers

Mk4 is hands down the easiest and most effective

[midnight turtle]

Im just starting psyker and Im using the mk5 right now

[spice veldt]

mk4 has a noticeably higher base damage/weakspot multiplier than the other two for whatever reason

[plain rune]

intended?

[spice veldt]

i highly doubt it

the mk2's first heavy has the exact same animation as the mk4's 1st heavy

but it has ~30% less damage or something in that ballpark than the mk4

the cleave buffs to the duelling sword lights was also only intended for the mk2

but all of the duelling swords got it

there is certainly some unintended stuff right now

[plain rune]

i am now concerned about my dueling sword

i dont remember the mark

[pale pilot]

so was the targetting a random body part of the surge staff new this patch or was it the actual cause of the random damage and it was hidden by the torso explosion always happening?

[spice veldt]

you might also have noticed the patch notes remarking the buff to be from 3 cleave to 4.5 cleave, when they had 2 cleave in actuality before the buff

so there is some even more jank surrounding the completion of the changes to the duelling swords

[spice veldt]

it was new this patch

[nimble burrow]

having them be competitive with force swords is a good thing though no

[spice veldt]

this isn't about competing with weapons from other weapon families

but competing within the same weapon family

why should the mk5 and mk2 be straight up worse than the mk4 by a significant margin?

[nimble burrow]

that's most weapons

there's gunna be a top choice

[spice veldt]

and that's not a good reason

also, these are straight up numerical differences

[spice veldt]

do you not realize that the mk2 and mk4's first heavies have the exact same animation

[nimble burrow]

i saw you say that already

[spice veldt]

and the mk2's 1st heavy having less damage than the mk4's 1st heavy for no reason?

that's not a good difference to have

[nimble burrow]

i dont have any antagonism w u m8

[spice veldt]

sure, a mark is always going to be better

but that's not a good reason to randomly give another mark less/higher damage than another mark

[spice veldt]

and I have antagonism with you for giving a bad defense as to why another mark is randomly worse/better than the others

[ornate hamlet]

It's wacky

[spice veldt]

if you don't have a good reason, just shut the fuck up

[nimble burrow]

sure they could all do different jobs but uh, why

ok ur just an ass :)

bye

[spice veldt]

bye

[lone yarrow]

things are getting heated in the psyker chat

[spice veldt]

just random people coming out of the woodworks defending the other duelling swords having lower damage than the mk4

[ornate hamlet]

I'm gonna yell penis really loud

[nimble burrow]

its a friday, schools out so the children are screaming in discord instead of doing their homework

[ornate hamlet]

I think mk5 and mk4 would benefit from having numerically identical heavies

[heady tulip]

should i buy dis for a gun build

[spice veldt]

no reason for the DPS to be that far apart

the mk5 has the heavy -> heavy -> light combo to stand out and to allow for numerical differences

[ornate hamlet]

And getting headshot priority fixed on the first light of the ml5

[heady tulip]

swap in headhunter and it seems nice?

[harsh urchin]

I think I'm ok with different models doing diff dmg, but a 60% dmg diff for literally no reason is crazy

Especially when the animation is the same

[spice veldt]

p much

[worthy dune]

What's the normal move for curios? I feel like I wanna run 1 tough/1wound 1 health 1 stam

[worthy dune]

Also for obsc is the move flak or unyielding?

[spice veldt]

mk2 casually having 100 less base damage than the mk4

mk5 casually having less base damage and headshot multipliers than the mk4

[bleak tulip]

that reminds me I hadnt tried the other duels until now

mk5 is just the same as one of saltz rapiers huh

this all seems very familiar

[harsh urchin]

Frankly if mk5 had like 10% less dmg than mk4 i would totally use it LOL

I like the swings way more

But it doing like 40% less dmg is unacceptable

[bleak tulip]

2 is kinda nice, you still get the stab and can special combo it forever

but you get more cleave

[spice veldt]

mk5 has slightly lower base damage which is whatevs, but it also has a worse finesse multiplier for no reason as well

~2x weakspot damage compared to the mk4's ~2.5x

so combine that with its also worse armour modifiers and you get this result

note the fact that the mk5 does less than half the damage of the MK4's against carapace (284 compared to 590)

[bleak tulip]

kinda dont like the 5 but I could see myself using the 2

[pastel rapids]

MKIV also has the cool tassle so it absolutely wins out there

[bleak tulip]

true

thats the real reason its the best

[pale pilot]

sad there's no hilt punch

[frail sand]

ur preference honestly, whatever u feel like helps u more

[bleak tulip]

thats a solid choice to get used to difficulty or the class in general

though I wouldnt run stam personally

tough health wound is perfectly okay

[cosmic sigil]

You'll probably get more value out flak than unyielding. The type is everywhere

[worthy dune]

I just feel like w my builds my current health only curious are kinda eh, I wanna lil more toughness for the sake of my peril regen perks

Also just had a zealot and vet duo troll on purpose for having two psykers on their team

[bleak tulip]

imo the real meme is 1health 2tough

[next heart]

3 health

[bleak tulip]

thatll get you that toughness value

3 health is acually deranged imo

[strong gulch]

Pygex updates it as time allows. 👍

Good looking out.

[worthy dune]

Lul they're all I had atm

[strong gulch]

Lol. The highest base rating in my melk shop is 346. rude

[desert mirage]

Minus the stamina perk which I can fix, this is shaping up well

[frail sand]

carapace perk kinda mid

[strong gulch]

It will be very usable.

[frail sand]

does it still buff if u stabby head with uncanny?

[strong gulch]

Not even mid tbh

[strong gulch]

I think so.

[mossy sundial]

man my voidstrike/dueling sword/assail build kinda struggled in the max difficulty new mission

i cant seem to chew through a bulwark

prob need a new build, what do you guys recommend for auric/max difficulty psyker?

[bleak tulip]

hit em enough and you stagger em, then hit em in the head or hope your team helps you

thats all you can really do

or stagger then stab

arguably better if you can safely get close

[bold maple]

go smite instead and be cc bot

[maiden wolf]

What perks are ideal for an MKIV Duellin sword in your opinions?

[bleak tulip]

uncanny +shred/rampage

[maiden wolf]

perks I meant

[bleak tulip]

oh muh bad

same as usual

[maiden wolf]

Thanks though

[bleak tulip]

flak maniac

[maiden wolf]

ah

[tired knoll]

i do maniac carapace

funny crusher twoshots

and mutie oneshots with warpsiphon

[bleak tulip]

I mean I play void so I just shoot em

[maiden wolf]

I'm rolling one and its got maniac and unarmoured T4, I'm hoping to get T4 shred or uncanny strike so I can switch unarmoured to carapace or something.

[devout belfry]

Best blessings and traits on the rapier?

[mental grail]

based

[bleak tulip]

read the last like 10 messages

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[mental grail]

voidstrike is so kino after the patch bc it has no rivals

[fading iris]

What you need are 3 of these

[bleak tulip]

+plasteel I wish 😔

[fading iris]

++ HELP ME SPREAD THE WORD ++

I'll meme this into reality

[half iron]

+gunner spawns

[stuck bridge]

siblings

https://i.imgur.com/N2FwCCW.jpeg

yes i know the surge is bugged

i am future planning

i have been using right for awhile, it has the better perks, better blessings

but left looks to be really good? crit bonus doesnt matter on surge correct

[devout belfry]

What traits does the mk4 duelling get for perk breakpoints? Anyone got a chart?

[sour bison]

worth getting on psyker?

wish melk gave it to my vet

ffs

[maiden wolf]

I'd say so, even if only for the blessing. With flak and deadly accurate

[sly charm]

Dueling Sword 5 worth using?

[bleak tulip]

keep it for later

[sour bison]

cant say they won't nerf mk4

[maiden wolf]

From what I can tell the MKII has faster light attacks than the MKIV, so that's something. Mine has groaner damage, infested, shred and rampage. Its only good for chaff but it feels like using a heavy sword.

Still not sure what the MKV is good for

[sour bison]

mk4 has its heavy attack

thats a thing

[maiden wolf]

a thing of beauty

[sour bison]

it is

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, it seems the mk5's lights are also faster than the mk4's

[sour bison]

yeah but its doesnt have mk4 heavy atack

[maiden wolf]

So now we just need to figure out what distinguishes the MKV from the MKII

[ornate hamlet]

Also I don't remember if it got changed at some point, but my testing led to me seeing that the cleave damage from the mk5 is nearly indistinguishable from the mk4, which has its own cleave damage stat for some reason

[spice veldt]

mk5's unlisted cleave damage will probably be 50%, which won't be much of a difference from 80%

[maiden wolf]

Hmm, am I right in my assessment that the MKII has the best cleave of the bunch?

[ornate hamlet]

It was much closer, that I can recall

[spice veldt]

if a stat modifier exists on one weapon, and another weapon in the same family doesn't have it, the unlisted default stat modifier for the weapon that doesn't have it will usually be 50%

[midnight mesa]

if we are reviewing rolls is this good?

[ornate hamlet]

yesnt

[desert mirage]

is the Mk 2 any good? the stat rolls seem great

[ornate hamlet]

also yesnt

will elaborate after paying my food here

[obtuse moth]

mk4 heavies do like 50% more damage than mk2s

[desert mirage]

[ornate hamlet]

Okay so

[ornate hamlet]

Specialists is an okay roll, but groaners and poxwalkers is generally frowned upon because even if it does help against hordes, they're also the easiest part of the game by a mile

[obtuse moth]

tried to get roughly equal stat rolls on these

[ornate hamlet]

I personally abhorr precognition, and blazing spirit is a pretty mid blessing that doesn't really work well to apply soulblaze and also relies on the player having shred to actually do something

And this is on the same weapon that has uncanny strike available, so you can get that combo or you can just get uncanny strike and do more for less

[harsh urchin]

Its real bad lol

If you crit trash itll die and not get the stacks

[ornate hamlet]

That too

You rely on cleaving stuff to get the stacks and then they die with fuck-all stacks and don't even get anything else killed

Provided you're using wildfire

Which you probably shouldn't because it's a mediocre combo even if I wish it was a good alternative to the blazing staves

[obtuse moth]

oh precog is only 2s on that, lame. riposte is usually better than precog to take first

[daring crescent]

So having looked into the Power Up penance , I've concluded it's annoying AF to finish now because they never changed the perks without changing the penance requirement

[ornate hamlet]

Since precog and blazing are a no, I'd say it's not a good roll

But if you want to, you can change both blessings and still have a somewhat decent weapon

[obtuse moth]

^

[still willow]

i would like to present a perfect turd

[ornate hamlet]

And this one will need your next consecration to get anything of actual value, because your uncanny strike is too low and the perk is aggresively mid

The penetration is also a bit on the now end, not that it matters thaaat much when uncanny strike exists as a blessing, but it does mean you will do less damage than you otherwise could when building it

Well, actually you'll need both the next blessing and next perk to be good

[barren arch]

Emperor gifted me this
do I see what becomes of it?

[ornate hamlet]

It's a risk, and one I think would be better taken on a weapon with a better penetration because going to blue is really cheap

[ornate hamlet]

If that shredder can't do what a higher shredder does, I'd nuke that weapon for SS3

[raw oriole]

It may not be perfect, but it's perfect to me.

[ornate hamlet]

If memory doesn't fail me, chainsword on its own can already one-shot mutants

Honestly, I wouldn't risk it and would just get the blessing

[barren arch]

aight, will do

[ornate hamlet]

I usually risk blues if either the perk or the blessing is already good

Or if I'm too lazy to do another mission and want to capitalize on the plasteel savings

[obtuse moth]

theres like zero reason to spend mats on a 307 base rating

less chance of getting good blessings if youre farming for that

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, that too

Dumb system, but idis wadidis

[barren arch]

fair 'nuff, I'll just take my savage sweep and enjoy myself

yeah I'm looking a sword to use on my Gunker Shielding Frontliner

torn between the Chainsword and the Mk1 Devil's Claw

[digital narwhal]

Imagine not using Scrier's Gaze with Empathic Evasion and just being immortal

[digital narwhal]

Mk I DClaw is kinda shit

So go with the Chainsword imo

but if you do want a good DClaw, then I recommend the Mk IV

or Mk VII

[barren arch]

nah

[ornate hamlet]

Mk4 funny parry cancel heavy

[digital narwhal]

The main difference between the two being that the Mk IV opens up with a Strikedown H1, and the Mk VII opens up with a Relentless H1.

[ornate hamlet]

Now that I think of it, it'd be cool to have some mirrored movesets

Something like a full cleave (kinda?) weapon like mk1, then a full single-target, then one with light cleave openers and another with light strikes

idk something like the mk7 instead having the first light be a strikedown and chaining to a heavy strike

mirrors the mk4 having the first heavy be the strike instead

[flat moat]

For a fire staff build should I build a wall or scream?

[obtuse moth]

either works fine

[mental grail]

what do gun psykers typically run for carapace?

melee?

[obtuse moth]

you can just run brainburst if you want

dueling sword 4, deimos, combat axe

[flat moat]

I got brain burst yea. Which keystone should I work for?

prob left

[obtuse moth]

sorry that part was for the gunpsyker carapace question

keystone depends on if you're blitz focused or not

[flat moat]

whats that

[obtuse moth]

blitz is assail/smite/brainburst

[flat moat]

I got bb

[obtuse moth]

prolly take left side ye

unless you have trouble with carapace/bosses

[hasty pier]

still need one investigation mission to complete one of every mission lol

[mental grail]

Do whatever mission that doesn't have a completion difficulty mark under it

Mine was Hab Dreyko investigation

[hot zephyr]

Chainsword is a nice all around option and simple to learn. The rotation to get the cleaving attacks is about the only tricky thing to learn.

[south gull]

is warp nexus 4 worth it on voidstrike staff?

[ornate hamlet]

mk5 l1: 96 65
mk4 l1 at 79% cleave damage: 79 54

let's see uhhh

67% to the second target for mk5

68% to the second target for mk5

@spice veldt

dueling sword cleave

wacky

you kinda have 80% cleave damage on the mk5 anyway

my mk5 also has better dodge distance and sprint cost, not that sprint matters

but the dodge distance is like 7% of difference

[obtuse moth]

very worth, with surge blessing

crits double your damage so its like a 15-20% damage modifier on its own, with surge blessing that makes it a 30-40% modifier

[ornate hamlet]

they didn't fix some of the priorities

and on this messed up world, here's the mk5's l1 hit priority

[south gull]

my bad meant force staff

[obtuse moth]

theyre all force staves

[bitter sky]

how do u get

damage numbers

[ornate hamlet]

this is the location I aimed at

[bitter sky]

on your screen?

[ornate hamlet]

ye