#psyker-class

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clear heath
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why wait when you can financially devastate yourself now?

potent echo
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Alot of 16 and 20 though

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No there is a minimum time before it switches

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Idk how long

static needle
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oh okay

potent echo
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Like 5 seconds...?

strong gulch
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wtf is with this laser lol

static needle
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is disrupt destiny any good compared to the other keystones?

fading iris
potent echo
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But you need something that can headshot

static needle
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not as big as warp tho right?

spice veldt
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point efficiency is also something to consider

cloud heron
potent echo
spice veldt
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since Kinetic Deflection and True Aim are better talents than Solidity and Disrupt Destiny

potent echo
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And yea DD requires less points

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And you don't need to take shitty talents like puppet master

strong gulch
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and you get a stack man to chase with DD

static needle
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Im going for normal attack spam on this one. Im running scrier's gaze. What talents should i run in the DD keystone tree?

kind jay
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and you can spam your F without crying

spice veldt
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I haven't played DD this patch but I assume it'll be better now that enemies glow consistently

potent echo
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I think I do run void DD with shield

robust sierra
spice veldt
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i'll have to play it later

strong gulch
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No mandatory crying?? That sounds iffy.

potent echo
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I've had a sniper die standing after the hotfix

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Really strange

maiden wolf
static needle
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left click spam go brrrrrr

strong gulch
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When it works. Just updated the mod and it's being inconsistent.

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When it works tho. uwugryn

maiden wolf
lethal lagoon
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yeah for staff left click it seems to randomly stop working

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Which is sad cause it makes staff left click actually viable for normal usage

maiden wolf
lethal lagoon
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I don't really use assail or explode

spice veldt
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interesting trigger condition

lethal lagoon
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but that might be a clue for what's crashing mine

potent echo
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Ew infernus

lethal lagoon
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i'll pay attention

umbral helm
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it borks occasionally when certain things happen, like getting grabbed by a mutant I've found. but just swapping off and back onto the weapon seems to "reset" it

bleak tulip
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DD is okay now

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been running it and doing more or less the same damage as WC

umbral helm
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it has better game-feel

hidden crystal
bleak tulip
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I love my DD mouthfeel

umbral helm
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still sucks to lose all your stacks for various reasons but, I tend to use it for the move speed it gives me and be a little crackhead than the damage anyway

hidden crystal
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Or is it a case where it's something that's poorly implemented so it doesn't really do what it says on the tin?

potent echo
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Coherency doesn't really matter too much for psyker

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You get so much toughness regen from your talents

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And outside of certain events playing with your team is a recipe for disaster

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For pubs anyway

azure bridge
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is kinetic flayer a worthwhile talent on a blaze trauma build?

strong gulch
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no

long wharf
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definitely not

strong gulch
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If you like it yes.

But you tend to play higher peril so meh.

azure bridge
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oh i see, b/c high peril play it means it wont ever proc

cloud heron
potent echo
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It's not really related to that, more like it has a CD of 15 seconds

azure bridge
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better spent elsewhere is what i'm gathernig from this

spice veldt
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last time I tested it psykhanium, it seemed to go on cooldown if you "procced" it at 97%+ peril but it didn't do a brainburst on enemies

long wharf
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kinetic flayer has been a bad option since release

strong gulch
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My trauma builds go into warp siphon witch is expensive. So even, it was alright, I still wouldn't grab it because of point economy.

long wharf
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for everything except a gun psyker looking for a bit of free damage

potent echo
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If your build has enough points to go for it then sure

azure bridge
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it really doesnt hence i was questioning its value lol

cloud heron
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I think literally any other talent is better than kinetic flayer

potent echo
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Then no for sure

azure bridge
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ty for the insight

potent echo
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Unless you are some gamer who doesn't need toughness or keystones

severe folio
potent echo
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Then sure

azure bridge
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i'm doing a blaze trauma variant that takes the bubble shield

maiden wolf
azure bridge
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I know shreik would be better damage but, taht shield is such a team saver

maiden wolf
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Its my go-to.

long wharf
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I like the bubble shield with toughness upgrade

maiden wolf
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Bubble is definitely more popular

azure bridge
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is one with the warp a good take? From what it says you'd think it'd be a great defensive talent but I don't know the math behind it

potent echo
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Save the team but they still are the major league catcher that catches 10/10 specials KEKW_ogryn

cloud heron
untold widget
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if your group is on top of specials, then dome shield is good to take for the tankiness

fading iris
untold widget
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but if they aren't, the stun shield will save their lives more times than not

maiden wolf
azure bridge
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Correct

long wharf
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I have yet to find the stun shield better than bubble shield

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how many specialists will the stun barrier stop before it pops?

potent echo
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All

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Oh you mean before

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1

maiden wolf
potent echo
long wharf
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so one specialist bumps your stun barrier and the barrier drops

glacial kindle
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any tips on gunpsyker that isn’t just a pistol of some kind

potent echo
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1 and then it will start to fizzle out, in the mean time it will stop any others

long wharf
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and we're seeing 5-6 spawn in groups

maiden wolf
strong gulch
cloud heron
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Bubble shield is also just a lot easier to use. You just throw it down and instantly go back to what you were doing. You don't even need to fully recognize the threat

potent echo
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It's usually to cover your team's rear from mutant or bursters

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But other than that it's not super useful

maiden wolf
potent echo
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Bubble negates bonbon puke in the entire area

long wharf
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even more importantly, the bubble shield's radius is sizable

cloud heron
glacial kindle
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im guessing gun psyker works best w/ empowered psionics since it means fragging a single special then buttfucking half a field w/ ur cool kid abilities

long wharf
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you don't have to run up to the danger point to drop the bubble where it's effective

maiden wolf
strong gulch
azure bridge
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yeah bubble shield is such a clutch I cannot play without it

bleak tulip
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put bonbon in gay baby jail

maiden wolf
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I got a goated lasgun today

potent echo
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Dome is just a better smoke grenade

maiden wolf
potent echo
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Smoke grenade is pretty good too though

glacial kindle
potent echo
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Both block your vision

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Is there a transparent dome mod

umbral helm
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I remember before they fixed the cooldown thing with warp charges I had a lot of fun with bubble shield just slowly inching forward with shield after shield. it was a meme and was kinda sad to see it go but perfectly understand why it was fixed

potent echo
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I hate the purple filter staregryn

strong gulch
maiden wolf
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I like double shield because I don't feel like I have to save it for a good moment. You can keep one in your pocket, and use the other off cooldown.

cloud heron
potent echo
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Bubble also lasts longer

azure bridge
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I need to find a staf with the crit chance on it

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so i can blaze more often

potent echo
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Surge KEKW_ogryn

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Oh you mean blaze trauma

long wharf
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it makes me sad that surge staff was never given blazing spirit blessing

glacial kindle
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just realized a single gun kill will set everybody nearby on fire this is so good

potent echo
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Do the cursed true aim smite thing

long wharf
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even more sad that FartShart broke the surge staff

maiden wolf
potent echo
fading iris
maiden wolf
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At higher difficulties, with lots of elites, you'll sometimes see 3-4 out at once.

rugged halo
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i'm just sharing that its a natural tier 4 all around

glacial kindle
maiden wolf
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I'm a run-n-gun+focused channelling fan

fading iris
maiden wolf
maiden wolf
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Focused channeling is just nice QOL

wheat quartz
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blaze trauma enjoyers, how often do you full charge the thing?
is a 60% Damage but otherwise perfect weapon bricked?

maiden wolf
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The difference between 0% and 80% is like, 20 damage out of 600

analog agate
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anyone have your gunker skill tree for columnus/assail?

maiden wolf
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Its like a 5% difference

maiden wolf
long wharf
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epicenter of blast damage range is [500..700]

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the outer blast radius damage is negligible

analog agate
long wharf
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this is my trauma staff

maiden wolf
wheat quartz
maiden wolf
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Mine has pretty meh damage (68% I think)

analog agate
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This is mine and it still takes the same number of fuly charged blasts as my 76%

wheat quartz
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out of those three staves, it's hard to decide lol

maiden wolf
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I've been waiting to find lvl4 blazing spirit for the longest time, I only recently found out it only goes up to T3

wheat quartz
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I guess the 61%, number 3, is probably best

rugged halo
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with a trauma staff, you should have warp res as the dumb stat.

long wharf
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there is no t4 blazing spirit

maiden wolf
severe folio
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im not enjoying the new damnation

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they are back to the 5 flamers shennanigan

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who though this was a good idea in shatfark

long wharf
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they cranked up the enemy accuracy and damage without addressing enemy spawn shenanigans

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typical FartShart

maiden wolf
ornate hamlet
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Brain burst bad

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turns off notifications

maiden wolf
severe folio
long wharf
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alright siblings, it's suffering o'clock

severe folio
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will be bricked

long wharf
maiden wolf
severe folio
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sadly not shatfark

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actually i dont think they have any builds in mind

long wharf
severe folio
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they just see 1-2 people complain game too easy

long wharf
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ffffff

umbral helm
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it's the reason I'd always drop Borderlands 2 after UVHM, it devolved into "use slag for everything, lmao" for most things and it was just like... no, fuck you

long wharf
maiden wolf
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I made lot of memes about it when the game first came out. Apparently a lot of players DGAF about build diversity and just want to have the most powerful build.

ebon jolt
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Can still be saved if you get dumdum 3/4.

maiden wolf
long wharf
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I swear I heard Hadron chuckle

maiden wolf
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I've got a near perfect Brauto on Zealot, but I can't for the life of me find T4 fire frenzy

umbral helm
long wharf
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okay, is this salvageable?

ebon jolt
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Stamina -> Flak.

maiden wolf
ebon jolt
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Good to go.

long wharf
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flak? not maniac?

maiden wolf
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Brrr

maiden wolf
long wharf
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dunno yet, just decided I'd craft a gun to play with

static needle
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What is psyker's base crit chance, no talents or perks?

ebon jolt
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7.5%

long wharf
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8%

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or 7.5%

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jesus, the damage on this gun vs carapace might as well be 0

ebon jolt
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Columnus IAG has a lower flak armor modifier so I prefer extra flak damage than maniac to round it out.

long wharf
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yeah, I can see why

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not a fan of not having extra crit chance on there, but oh well

maiden wolf
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I rolled a real good Kantrael IV (small blue) lasgun today. I really want to find deadly accurate for it. Right now its got infernus.

long wharf
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let's try this again

maiden wolf
long wharf
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well, thanks

ebon jolt
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This is what I'm rocking. I found dumdum T4 just haven't reblessed it yet.

long wharf
tired knoll
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its already ded

analog agate
lyric burrow
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Ngl i think i just had my first mission that im never gonna forgive myself for fumbling i was on pace to hit 1 mil damage and fumbled

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Elites isnt awful

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But youll need really good luck on last blessing

static needle
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Should I replace crit chance perk? I will have 37.5% crit chance without it when i have scrier's activated or more cause of true aim

lyric burrow
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For perfect yeah its dead

tired knoll
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they already have a better one

lyric burrow
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Oh didn't see

long wharf
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take 3

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Hadron does not like me tonight

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sigh

tired knoll
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ded. just use the first one

static needle
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Should I replace crit chance perk? I will have 37.5% crit chance without it when i have scrier's activated or more cause of true aim

long wharf
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take 4

ebon jolt
long wharf
tired knoll
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dont upgrade that past blue

digital narwhal
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You know what's funny about the Columnus?
You can dump ammo.
The difference between 43% Ammo and 73% Ammo is 30 shots.

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You really just need Damage, Stopping Power, and Stability

glacial kindle
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it’s already dead

static needle
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Should I replace crit chance perk? I will have 37.5% crit chance without it when i have Scrier's gaze activated or more cause of true aim

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im going for a spamfire build

ebon jolt
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Dope. I bought a blue 379 and high rolled 😄

long wharf
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surely stability isn't that important

supple skiff
maiden wolf
static needle
digital narwhal
analog agate
static needle
long wharf
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okay, take 5

supple skiff
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So, that blessing fires a second shot on a crit

long wharf
atomic zephyr
maiden wolf
static needle
supple skiff
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A fully charged rmb one if that’s what you fritter with

long wharf
supple skiff
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Surge can one shot a crusher with a full charge, I wouldn’t be using the lmb like that

static needle
tired knoll
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staregryn just use the first gun

static needle
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the rest i spamfire

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ez

atomic zephyr
# static needle hence transfer peril blessing

risky play style, but if it works for you.
i'd rather just not use gaze and play the nexus.
personally tho, i run surge/flurry, just to spam more at full charges than risk the peril play

static needle
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actually works amaaazing

long wharf
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giving myself the best possible chance for this to be usable

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ffffffff

supple skiff
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I run scyer with void without transfer chadgryn

long wharf
supple skiff
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Nothing is a threat

long wharf
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god damnit Hadron

supple skiff
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Except my own hubris

supple skiff
maiden wolf
# long wharf

Next time slap a blessing you don't want before consecrating

long wharf
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I did

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with the t4 dumdum

ebon jolt
maiden wolf
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I'm still coastin off of the high from my perfectly rolled lasgun

maiden wolf
hot zephyr
# long wharf

I don't see how you're cursing Hadron over this. That's 3/4th BIS

ebon jolt
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Is assail still fine after the nerf? I haven't played since the patch.

upbeat parcel
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yeah it's fine, you just have to switch off it more often

ebon jolt
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Do I spend all my tokens to grab T4 deathspitter?

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I don't have T4 fire frenzy either.

hot zephyr
upbeat parcel
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I run shards with psionics to spam them more often

hot zephyr
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You do notice the recharge delay

long wharf
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if you want to use assail as your primary weapon, you basically have to run EP now

lyric burrow
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Assail is still very good

royal ibex
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assails fine, just cant use it as a 3rd gun now

maiden wolf
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Build peril wiss assail, use gun

royal ibex
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its mroe a quick swap thing now

ebon jolt
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Okay. That's how I was using it so should be fine. I really like the -5% peril gen and Psykietic's Aura but using either of the other blitz abilities over assail with gaze and a gun just feels bad.

maiden wolf
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A lot of Psyker's roght tree feats encorage you to swap between warp and non warp weapons anyway

wheat quartz
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Gun/Assail users, which gun are you using? Revolver? Columnus?

lyric burrow
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Las pistol and vraks 3 are also good

royal ibex
ebon jolt
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I don't have a good laspistol. Been using Columnus.

royal ibex
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works just as well

maiden wolf
ebon jolt
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I don't have a good MkVII on my Psyker. And MkVI feels bad since the nerf.

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And the MkII still feels bad after the buffs.

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Just my opinion.

potent echo
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Are those staves

ebon jolt
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recon lasguns.

potent echo
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Oh all of them are terrible now aren't they KEKW_ogryn

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Crit string got nerfed

ebon jolt
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Ah maybe they were talking about the infantry variants. The MG1a is lit now.

potent echo
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Yea infantry for sure

ebon jolt
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I need to try the mod that makes the MG IV fire full auto.

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So I don't ruin my finger and mouse.

long wharf
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and now it's a Space AK-47

cloud heron
long wharf
maiden wolf
potent echo
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You gotta take onslaught now

maiden wolf
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Having pssive rend abilities is a really neat feature for vet

potent echo
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Vet crit rend is so mediocre except maybe on a claw

maiden wolf
maiden wolf
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You know, the kinds of feat that make you wonder who even asked for it

potent echo
maiden wolf
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like a madlibs feat

potent echo
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Interesting

cloud heron
static needle
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Is toughness regen speed even necessary on psyker? he has so many ways to regen toughness by himself already

potent echo
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Not at all

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Take revive speed all day everyday

ebon jolt
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FML. I just went to go rebless this and accidentally surrendered it:

lyric burrow
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No psyker has like 8 toughness regen nodes

potent echo
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F

lyric burrow
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And one gives it on command

long wharf
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sounds like you won't make that mistake again

cloud heron
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the favorites mod is another good one

lethal lagoon
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Sounds like you'll be nervous and careful while reblessing and accidently make that mistake again

hot zephyr
maiden wolf
lethal lagoon
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Depends on how heavy you use your blitz

long wharf
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jesus h christ on a shingle, this gun does damage

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and chews through ammo

potent echo
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Yea depends if your gunker has assail or smth else

lethal lagoon
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Gunker with assail is basically just a Assker

potent echo
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True

hot zephyr
bold maple
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not even 380 rating

strong gulch
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Wish the stats were a little better, but dang I lucked out today.

long wharf
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nice

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so I'm going to try soulbaze+solumnus+SG+WS

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grabbed Perilous Combustion and Wildfire

ebon jolt
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WS CDR doesn't work with SG. Just a heads up.

long wharf
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yeah, I'm aware, sadly

wooden kindle
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Send this to your veteran friends

ornate hamlet
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me

long wharf
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well, I definitely think the Columnus is the Shredder of patch 14+

hot zephyr
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I'm actually thinking of dropping perilous combustion in my talent build.

potent echo
maiden wolf
hot zephyr
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Aforementioned Gunner warp siphon build

maiden wolf
potent echo
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Gunker should run PC, it gives some much needed area damage

long wharf
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toughness regen isn't as important now, with the talent trees

potent echo
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Kill 2 elites and all the trash around it dies

long wharf
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I switched over to stamina regen on all my curios

maiden wolf
potent echo
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If you have a lasgun gaze you can probably kill 5 elites in 5 seconds at least

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If its a fresh patrol, then everything else just dies

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What not vibing with PC?

upbeat parcel
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PC?

strong gulch
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perilous combustion

long wharf
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bah

reef widget
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best voidstrike blessings?

fierce crest
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crit and double crit

maiden wolf
potent echo
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Soulblaze is like hot sauce it goes with everything whatthefuck_heresy

spice veldt
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you don't need soulblaze stuff for perilous combustion

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it's a talent that scales based on elite/special density

maiden wolf
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So you can forego warp nexus IMO

potent echo
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Perhaps

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Flurry surge is a thing

maiden wolf
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Might have to test it more, but I'm wantig to try surge plus blazing spirit

fierce crest
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yeah but when surge procs the stuff dies anyway

maiden wolf
fierce crest
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trauma is fine

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more aoe, less damage

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so its more DoT, that matters more

potent echo
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Blazing spirit spam left click maybe

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Discount infernus

supple skiff
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Never much understood the appeal of dots in this game

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Wouldn’t you rather front load the damage to remove a potential threat

potent echo
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Unless you use a purg then it's all dot all the time

fierce crest
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purg, PC, blazing trauma all are very AoE

potent echo
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But I tried blaze trauma and infernus, never got it

fierce crest
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if they did high direct damage then they would be OP

potent echo
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I mean purg and PC does other things

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Infernus just does dot to single target

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Blaze trauma can be good if you get lucky

bright ether
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talking soulblaze perk on trauma?

potent echo
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Soulblaze blessing

bright ether
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blessing* right

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i just rolled tier 3

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on mine

potent echo
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It only has tier 3

bright ether
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oh nice

potent echo
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Don't try for tier4 it doesn't exist KEKW_ogryn

bright ether
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i will make it exist

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in my mind

potent echo
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Calling Sweden right now

bright ether
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lol

fierce crest
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quite a few blessings are only a single tier

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like run n gun

potent echo
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Surge being tier4 only

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Blessing not the staff

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Never gets less confusing

supple skiff
severe folio
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lets call the surge staff nomanus then

fierce crest
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the sugma staff

supple skiff
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Surge surge would be interesting

severe folio
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no it wouldnt

potent echo
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Why

severe folio
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it would just not trigger on secondary fire

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only primary

potent echo
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But lmb on surge is nice you get high crit

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Because of the crit bonus

supple skiff
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Surge should work on all rmb

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Well, all two I suppose

severe folio
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but do you like lmb

potent echo
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Maybe that's how you use new surge staff KEKW_ogryn

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Lmb build

maiden wolf
severe folio
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an lmb staff would be cool

potent echo
severe folio
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hold lmb to fire a constant stream of warp bolt

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like a side strolling game

potent echo
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That's sienna's beam staff

severe folio
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no not a beam

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just

fierce crest
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beam stream

supple skiff
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Biller hell

severe folio
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an autogun of warp bolt

supple skiff
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Bullet *

potent echo
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A burst stream of destruction?

severe folio
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not burst stream

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auto firing lmb

supple skiff
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Quell cancel and your more or less there

severe folio
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not fast enough

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need to be faster

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autogun speed

maiden wolf
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More projectile types would be pretty rad actually. A weapon that can create AOE damage zones on the floor could be cool

severe folio
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columnus speed

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warp bolt columnus pattern

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or a shotgun mode where it just scatter around like ac6 bubble gun

supple skiff
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Really hoping we get a new staff for part 2 of the new update

severe folio
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unlikely

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till 2 years

supple skiff
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What was the last weapon addition?

severe folio
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no clue

potent echo
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For psyker?

supple skiff
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Anything

potent echo
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Deimos

severe folio
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i think force swords

potent echo
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And illisi

supple skiff
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Fuck me

potent echo
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Then nth else new

severe folio
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yes fuk you

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come here

potent echo
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Psykers need anything please

supple skiff
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Bruh

severe folio
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we got new weapon assail 🗣️

supple skiff
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The name of that emote is a sin before the omnisiash

fierce crest
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we also got new weapon smite but they took that away

severe folio
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very dangerous emote

fierce crest
supple skiff
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Bonk territory fr

severe folio
supple skiff
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Thought we would have gotten something since then though

severe folio
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a new staff would be nice

supple skiff
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That’s 2 weapons in a year

severe folio
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also i dont think surge is all that great

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since

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its just an auto second shot

supple skiff
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It’s great on void

severe folio
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it doesnt even happen at the same time

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if it happen on the same shot, at the same time

supple skiff
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It will fire a second full charge rmb if that’s what you crit with

fierce crest
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i want coruscation staff

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fatshark pls

severe folio
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yeah it fire a second shot

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but see here

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it fire that second shot too slow

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i would want it to be immediately after crit

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like i want to see those 2 shot overlapping

supple skiff
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I’ve yet to whiff the second crit bolt

severe folio
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on that note that is why i want blazing spirit on purg

potent echo
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Give me a fireball staff and a 2H force whatever and I'll play for another 700hours

supple skiff
#

Slight delay avoids overkill

fierce crest
severe folio
#

quad stack 🗣️

fierce crest
#

blazing spirit and surge

severe folio
#

hell yeah

fierce crest
#

8 stacks

#

maybe more

severe folio
#

surge double the base stack to 30

#

blaze spirit add in 18 more

#

creeping flame for extra 6

#

add 3 more from a random elite around

fierce crest
#

😋

severe folio
#

dont need dueling uncanny to kill monst anymore

#

just let it burn in over 50 stacks

bold maple
#

I had a blazing spirit iv in melk shop yesterday on a force sword

severe folio
#

(game has cap of 31)

bold maple
#

but I heard its shit and skipped it lmao

fierce crest
#

it only burns the first enemy

#

no cleave

supple skiff
#

Keeping monstrosity Stun locked> maxing monstrosity dps

severe folio
#

fuk stunning monst

#

im not taking that top score with stagger points

#

im killing the shit 🗣️

#

all shall suffer the agony of soulblaze

#

on that note rifthaven mk3 solarus force staff should exist

#

to fire a massive burning solar beam like the beam staff

#

make it penetrate through enemies too

#

yes that way it dont get cock block by the bulwark

smoky fractal
#

can somone show me what quell canceling is supposed to look like?

fading iris
#

I logged thinking "let's check Sire Melk and the shop to see if they decide heavy laspistol or columnus" Both decided "stick with surge staff" staregryn KEKW_ogryn

maiden wolf
bold maple
#

beam staff in vermintide is smaller than a pencil

severe folio
#

thats fine

bright ether
#

bruhhh

supple skiff
severe folio
#

its a beam it doesnt need to be big

bright ether
#

latency is terribad rn

maiden wolf
worthy scaffold
#

this one good?

supple skiff
#

Yeah, have to let the stagger animation run it’s course before you fire again but you can put a chaos spawn and plague ogyrn on timeout

fierce crest
#

ye

severe folio
#

want a beam staff like this

supple skiff
#

I think you can stagger the beast but I haven’t done it consistently yet

fierce crest
#

we need a class that invisible while jumping

worthy scaffold
#

so 3 of these total

severe folio
#

haha invisible while jumping

worthy scaffold
#

what should i mod

ancient thicket
severe folio
#

now i have to look at vt2 beam staff gameplay

ancient thicket
#

also i've been using an Illisi special spam build and it seems pretty good on damnation?

severe folio
#

well illisi is good at horde fighting

#

and new damnation has a lot of enemies

#

so yes a weapon that can manage a horse do well

ancient thicket
#

yeah that was my thoughts exactly'

spice veldt
#

it would be humorous if we got a new force melee before a new force staff

severe folio
#

if we get a new force sword it would be a reworked obscurus

ancient thicket
#

lol

severe folio
#

if they intend to rework obscurus

spice veldt
#

nuke the 2nd light from orbit

fading iris
#

I just need to kill some scabs with ranged Sitgryn

umbral helm
#

I remember looking at an obscurus in Brunt's requisition the other night and just going "poor Obscurus"

supple skiff
#

We have a horde clear and specialist clear force sword, what niche is left to fill

#

I mean I’d take a 2H claymore type horde clear option but rather something fresh

strong gulch
lethal lagoon
#

The moveset fits too

#

Some-type of anti-boss 2h claymore could be cool.

#

Wouldn't have any crossover given Psyker doesn't really have any real boss options compared to other classes other than Laspistol and to some degree autogun.

severe folio
#

yeah so if they want a new force sword itd have to fill the inbetween role of deimos and illisi

#

which is obscurus

#

so theyd have to improve obscurus

#

catching it up with deimos and illisi

#

perhaps replace the strike down on obscurus with the deimos heavy stab

lethal lagoon
#

Obscurus has the disadvantages of both swords but neither of the advantages lmao

severe folio
#

and replace the strikedown light with a vanguard light

severe folio
#

obscurus ideally could have been a really versatile force sword

#

if they take notes on how player use illisi and deimos

#

then add both of that into obscurus

#

or they could just discard all of that and fukin turn obscurus into a warp shield

#

thats a niche that force sword dont have

#

guarding focused force sword lol

umbral helm
#

it'd give people an excuse to not run kinetic deflection in a build, maybe

severe folio
#

what if it stack upon kinetic deflection

lyric burrow
#

Not that obscurus isnt in a weird spot anyway

severe folio
#

yeah but what if they dont add any other new force sword

lethal lagoon
#

They could also just slightly increase obscurus' damage every patch, just see what happens

lyric burrow
#

I wanna say one got datamined but it was a long time ago

lethal lagoon
#

like 2-5% every patch patch/hotfix

lyric burrow
#

Although tbf most datamined weapons are from a while ago now we haven't gotten new weapons in months

umbral helm
#

incrementally increase the size of Morrow's mustache every patch and see how long it takes people to notice

severe folio
#

maybe all the datamined weapons are just prototype ideas leftover from alpha

lyric burrow
#

Yeah cant confirm they will get released

#

Just in the games files or something

severe folio
#

maybe

#

they should have a poll

#

on what the community would want

lethal lagoon
#

god no.

severe folio
#

among all the options they can give

lyric burrow
#

Im ready for new weapons at this point

#

Obv crafting is good too

severe folio
lethal lagoon
#

avg community member still can't dodge a trapper or push a poxburster

#

I don't want their opinion on anything lmao

severe folio
#

well

#

then

#

you get opinions on nothing

#

and nothing added, updated or reworked

#

nothing is done

#

nothing progress

lethal lagoon
#

I think fatshark, all things considered, is doing a good job managing new weapons and fixes, even if it's slow 🤷‍♂️

bold maple
#

the fuck they do

lyric burrow
#

Fs says they listen to community feedback so we should supposedly get what we want at some point anyway

severe folio
#

well

bold maple
#

look at vet skill tree and tell me fatshark is doing good on balance

severe folio
#

yeah

#

i dont think shatfart is doing a decent job on that

#

its not like we have 13 classes and 26 diverse builds

lethal lagoon
#

I like the new tree, which might either hurt or reinforce my earlier point on collecting community feedback KEKW_ogryn

severe folio
#

we have 3 classes and 9 primary diversities

umbral helm
#

it's a double edged sword, regardless. because honestly, no matter how much they think they do people often don't know what they actually want, with anything

severe folio
#

the remaining are small tweak and alterations of those said 9 diversities

#

i mean i know id want a beam staff

lethal lagoon
#

Keep in mind, the community generally thought surge EP bug wasn't OP

#

Like, I literally did my whole team's damage when I used it once.

severe folio
#

on that note

lethal lagoon
#

So I'm hesitant about community anything

floral kayak
#

Is surge staff still bugged, and what does it do?

severe folio
#

it is sadly not up to shatfark to improve community opinions

lyric burrow
#

Yeah old surge was a bit much

severe folio
#

but to the community itself

lyric burrow
#

Although it needed it to keep up with void lol

severe folio
#

so if we want the community general opinions to be better

lethal lagoon
#

They also think unbugged base surge is underpowered, when it's geniunely insane. I used to think it took little skill to use surge, now I wonder if it's the opposite.

severe folio
#

well that we gotta rely on ourselves

lyric burrow
#

Cause now its significantly worse than void even without the limbs thing

tired knoll
lethal lagoon
#

Strong disagree, without the limb thing it does it's role perfectly.

lyric burrow
#

It does do its role

lethal lagoon
#

Nothing runs through shooter hordes like surge, especially when things are chaotic.

lyric burrow
#

Its viable fs

floral kayak
lethal lagoon
#

You can't just use pysch testing and dps to judge a weapon. Actual combat is what matters.

lyric burrow
#

But i wish its armor mods were better since that was its whole thing till it was randomly given to void

severe folio
lyric burrow
#

Other than thats its fine to me

severe folio
#

weapons always go through psych evaluation and field evaluation, this time it cant even pass the psych evaluation

lethal lagoon
#

"without the limb thing it does it's role perfectly."

#

I.E normal surge without any bugs in any direction

severe folio
#

sadly not a lot of people get to experience unbugged surge

#

one bug after another take control of the narrative

#

when surge was unbugged people were more focused on thr bug smite

lyric burrow
#

Yeah pre patch 14 it was fine

#

I really liked it

severe folio
#

its kind of ironic

#

psykers live on the loophole

supple skiff
#

The tides of the warp are perilous and chaotic, use when you have while you have it I say

lethal lagoon
#

Psykers don't live on the loophole, the OP buffs to psyker attracted the worst of the player base like pre-major patch vet did.

umbral helm
#

epitome of "when it works, it works"
it's just not allowed to work very often

lyric burrow
#

Yeah it works when my damage isnt randomly halved lol

supple skiff
#

Bad players will always gravitate to the OP crutch builds

lethal lagoon
#

I've been trying to EP smite/surge since the talent tree drop, Fatshark hates me lmao.

supple skiff
#

Be that intended, or bugged

severe folio
supple skiff
#

Unless your running pre-made grouped your going to run into them either way

severe folio
#

im pretty sure while they may not be the majority, they are more than substantial to be a large general opinion

#

so in the end it does affect the general image

potent echo
umbral helm
#

quantity tends to matter less, if they just yell louder than the others

potent echo
#

Probably

lyric burrow
#

Im not actually sure what difficulty majority runs anymore

#

Pre patch 13 im confident it was damnation plus

lethal lagoon
#

Auric malestroms, based on the crowd I get stuck with when I pub lmao

lyric burrow
#

Now with all the new people no clue

severe folio
#

think every difficulty get filled evenly

potent echo
#

Back when darktide managed 2k people daily, probably damnation

#

Now we got 20k daily

lethal lagoon
#

They really need to make it clear that's the "endgame" it being a giant box in the middle of the screen is not a good thing

lyric burrow
lethal lagoon
#

I was memeing, but also half serious.

severe folio
#

i do not like the giant box in the middle

lethal lagoon
#

It feels like every fresh 30 tries to run auric mael

severe folio
#

especially when i caught it in quickplay

#

very exhausting

lethal lagoon
#

I don't think you can quickplay maels

severe folio
#

you can

eternal pike
#

Did surge end up getting fixed?

fading iris
#

we need a QoL of enemy types in the missions, I want to know which ones have dreg, scab or bothSitgryn

lethal lagoon
#

Once an auric mael falls off the board, your bot spots are permenant in my experience.

supple skiff
#

Endgame Darktide meta always was pre-mades with designated roles and good communication

severe folio
lyric burrow
eternal pike
#

What is bugged now?

supple skiff
#

Haven’t pugged auric for a reason

lyric burrow
#

These teammates werent actually that bad but its a funny stat line

severe folio
eternal pike
#

Oh so it wasn't fixed

#

The bug is still there

severe folio
#

i mean

#

the EP bug is gone

eternal pike
#

I was referring to the limb bug

#

Yeah

severe folio
#

ah

lethal lagoon
lyric burrow
#

Limb bug still exists ye

severe folio
#

yeah no that isnt going away

eternal pike
#

Back to zealot we go lmao

severe folio
fading iris
eternal pike
#

Honestly if you give it a few weeks into the patch, auric pugging isn't that bad

fading iris
#

supposed to be just visual

severe folio
#

ehhh

eternal pike
#

First week is horrible after patch

severe folio
#

well

#

i need to

lethal lagoon
severe folio
#

get use to the new damnation first

fading iris
lyric burrow
#

I find auric pubs to be fine with maybe the exception of the absolute hardest ones

#

Maelstrom that is

lethal lagoon
severe folio
#

damn

fading iris
#

this hot fix is just a fix in the patch notes, the patch note about surge is there and the link has the reply about the damage

umbral helm
#

y'know, speaking of quickplay, it'd be nice if every now and again it'd cycle out what you get more of. more plasteel/money instead of XP every now and again would be appreciated

severe folio
#

i would like to not get maelstrom in quickplay though

eternal pike
#

Just a mixed bag with the skill levels, not much to do about it

lethal lagoon
#

Auric damn pubs tend to have the best playerbase, auric maelstroms are hilarious. Auric t4s... that's just hell.

steady yarrow
#

Warp Resistence on staves reduces peril accruement?

severe folio
severe folio
#

and add those into the rest

#

more money, plasteel, diamante

#

but nope

#

too lazy coded i guess

#

or fuk the players lmao

lethal lagoon
#

I mean experience is tracked past lvl 30

#

So I dunno if lazy coding is the problem

umbral helm
lethal lagoon
#

I like true level

severe folio
#

if its tracked then its gotta be lazy coding

lethal lagoon
#

I suppose

severe folio
#

because they dont even display it

lethal lagoon
#

I think they don't display it so people don't BM in pubs

#

Like scoreboard, everything is already tracked, but you need mods.

severe folio
#

i dont think theyre that considerate

lethal lagoon
#

That's their reasoning for no scoreboard 🤷‍♂️

#

Despite tracking everything

severe folio
#

well if they did track everything

lethal lagoon
#

It's dumb reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless.

lyric burrow
#

Yeah that could be the reason lol

severe folio
#

where is the indications of it

fading iris
lethal lagoon
#

That scoreboard mod exists

#

that true level mod exists

severe folio
#

so if the scoreboard mod dont exist

#

where do they indictate it

maiden wolf
lethal lagoon
#

I don't get what point you are making

lethal lagoon
#

Wait what, you can get a plasteel perk?

maiden wolf
severe folio
lethal lagoon
severe folio
#

so they just waste space to track that

lethal lagoon
#

I assume they use backend data to balance

severe folio
#

something they don’t actually ever use

lethal lagoon
#

Tough to know if a weapon is truly OP without data

#

Or stuff like that

umbral helm
#

I mean, they make those Twitter posts about stuff, gotta pull that from something I suppose

lethal lagoon
#

Same for class balance

severe folio
#

hmmm

#

so its not actually the scoreboard mod that tracking ?

lethal lagoon
#

No lmao, that would be crazy. The modder would have to have access to fatshark servers

severe folio
#

its the game innate function that track those informations ?

lethal lagoon
#

Yes

#

It'd be legit hackermans to make a scoreboard mod without fatshark already collecting the data

severe folio
#

and they’re tracking these information to check the status of weapons

#

and classes

lethal lagoon
#

And for "fun" twitter posts, yeah, probably.

static needle
#

Does warp nexus give u 5% more crit chance at 0 peril?

lethal lagoon
#

I mean I'm sure they base balance on other things

#

Data is just one part.

umbral helm
#

fatshark collecting how long I've been standing afk in the Psykanium because I got distracted looking for more music or watching a YouTube video loregryn

severe folio
#

its a lot of data

lethal lagoon
#

Not really, if you are talking about from a performance perspective.

obtuse moth
lethal lagoon
#

If corpses were server-sided, one corpse would probably take up more server and game usage than a whole match of data collection.

fading iris
#

They can join your mission as spectator, see you fail, laugh and mark in the to-do list "lol let's nerf that class to make it funnier" KEKW_ogryn

severe folio
#

none of these data are actually indicating class based data though ?

lethal lagoon
#

What do you mean?

static needle
severe folio
#

weapons data i can see

#

but how do they monitor classes performance data

obtuse moth
tame venture
# maiden wolf alas, tis a meme

Before the update dropped I was totally expecting them to do something about fighting demonhosts.

Then a thought hit me, about how you could really motivate the players to massacre them all.

200 plasteel per kill at damnation level.
Just imagine

lethal lagoon
static needle
#

what build is good for voidstrike with surge blessing? what other blessing should i run and any particular talents?

severe folio
obtuse moth
#

all the data goes through the servers, so its all stored in a database then they query it for criteria based on what theyre looking for

severe folio
#

what kind of data do they need to collect with that

timid grove
#

If I'm running flamethrower staff, what would be the best melee to accompany it? Like the hardest-hitting, armor-destroyer

obtuse moth
#

its impossible to say what they collect without working for fatshark

timid grove
#

Rashad?

glacial kindle
#

Y is every single uniform caked in dirt

tame venture
obtuse moth
#

but they probably monitor how often something is used, and the winrate

static needle
obtuse moth
#

% deployed

lethal lagoon
burnt mulch
#

in the grim darkness of the far future, there is no washing machine

severe folio
obtuse moth
#

no its

#

not

lethal lagoon
#

Scoreboard doesn't nessarily have access to everything they are collecting

tame venture
obtuse moth
#

the scoreboard is an afterparty mod made by users, they use a completely different source of data and dont have anything remotely related to the scoreboard mod

#

serverside information is a lot more detailed than client-side

#

they can collect a lot more in-depth

lethal lagoon
#

Err, scoreboard mod doesn't actually collect data, it's been confirmed, it uses data fatshark collects and just displays it.

#

Now does the mod have access to all of it, obviously no.

obtuse moth
#

they still use internal metrics and dbs

potent echo
#

I mean if they want to try hard enough they probably can access them

obtuse moth
#

theyre not using the scoreboard mod

lethal lagoon
#

Yeah for sure

#

I wasn't saying otherwise

severe folio
#

im a bit struggling on how they dont have access to it all, when they already have access to information the base game dont display to us

potent echo
#

And yea fatshark has the community posts where they say 1mil heretics killed etc or most used vet loadout etc

upbeat parcel
#

what blessing do I take on trauma staff along with rending shockwave

obtuse moth
#

or you can go nexus blazing spirit if you want

upbeat parcel
#

alright thanks

lethal lagoon
#

Flurry and Rending, Nexus and Blazing are the main combos

upbeat parcel
#

nah I aint using this for crits

potent echo
#

I use flurry nexus like a madman

severe folio
spice veldt
#

i assume that it's collecting some information because of discrepancies between different players

obtuse moth
#

its not for crits. its for burning

severe folio
lethal lagoon
obtuse moth
#

no, because crits provide some armor piercing and damage boost

spice veldt
#

my scoreboard doesn't match with other players exactly

#

they're in the same general ballpark but there are noticeable discrepancies

severe folio
obtuse moth
#

you can use something for crits without using it for burning

lethal lagoon
#

If you join at different times is when there are differences

spice veldt
#

we joined at the same time

#

and did not disconnect

#

it's a premade so we joined together

lethal lagoon
#

Do one of you have shitty net maybe, and the ping caused issues, or are far away from each other?

static needle
#

can voidstrike with surge + flurry be good compared to the other options?

spice veldt
#

the other person is known to have shitty internet

obtuse moth
lethal lagoon
#

Maybe that's it, they "disconnect" but not enough to be booted.

spice veldt
#

specifically for darktide and not anywhere else

lethal lagoon
#

I've had internet outages where darktide didn't kick me out of the game cause it was quick enough.

maiden wolf
spice veldt
#

so your numbers match exactly with the other people that you group with?

lethal lagoon
#

The few times I checked, yeah.

umbral helm
#

the only part I've never really understood is the scores. none of them make any sense to me how they add up, but I don't really care enough to figure it out, since the only reason I even have the scoreboard mod is because I just like reading statistics. I don't make use of any of the information it gives me

lethal lagoon
#

I didn't like do it 100 times or something

static needle
obtuse moth
maiden wolf
static needle
#

wait so if i fire the ball into a horde and hit 7 enemies, does the true aim count max out then?

severe folio
#

if you aim at head level yeah

obtuse moth
static needle
#

why run transfer peril tho?

maiden wolf
#

Pretty sure, yeah. It maxes out instantly afaik

lethal lagoon
#

Maybe I just got lucky, hmm

umbral helm
#

you can achieve the 5 stacks needed with 1 projectile, yes

severe folio
#

transfer peril quell when headshot

obtuse moth
maiden wolf
severe folio
#

goes well with scrier too

static needle
#

yes but less crit chance

severe folio
#

if you want to be silly

spice veldt
#

the animation_events mod page also has this to say

severe folio
#

wel then go with scrier lol

maiden wolf
#

Also since they fixed it, you can regen toughness

supple skiff
#

Quell flurry was my go to on void before they changed staves, shot was great

spice veldt
#

i don't know how to read code so who knows what is meant by that

lethal lagoon
#

To be clear, I only checked my and their damage numbers.

#

I didn't dig thorugh the stats

maiden wolf
static needle
#

is the charge rate differance between 70% and 80% a lot?

obtuse moth
#

no

#

you can hover over the ranges yourself, hit v and then put your mouse over the bar to inspect the weapon values

severe folio
#

would be better to

#

psykanum it

obtuse moth
#

you can get exact numbers lol

#

numbers are better than subjective feeling

severe folio
#

its identical number at 70-80 ?

obtuse moth
#

ofc not

lethal lagoon
#

Nah, pysch is misleading, try it in a real game.

#

Plasteel and testing, win-win

severe folio
#

or dead and time wasted

lethal lagoon
#

All game playing is time wasted 🤷‍♂️

bright ether
severe folio
#

thats a very odd stretch between victory and defeat

bright ether
#

thinking just roll tier 3 trait for something else but p good

spice veldt
#

why not go into the psykhanium to see how the charge rate feels and seem

static needle
#

Which of these 2 should I do the transfer peril + surge build on?

spice veldt
#

nothing wrong with getting the feel of something in a controlled environment

lethal lagoon
#

I love full perk control.

obtuse moth
#

80% charge rate

lethal lagoon
#

Oh wait, I misread

#

you have flurry

#

my bad

obtuse moth
bright ether
#

kinda like warp flurry tbh

severe folio
#

so there isnt much difference on charge rate

obtuse moth
#

i dont have many extra staves on my second psyker, not going to switch characters atm

bright ether
#

my other one had run n gun which felt useful in some scenarios as well

severe folio
#

if run and gun let me fire secondary at sprint speed id pick it

obtuse moth
bright ether
severe folio
bright ether
#

speedy blue flames

tawny brook
#

This is probably a dumb question, but Smite can't crit right?

obtuse moth
#

you lose .03 seconds or so between 70 and 80%

#

the spread is .3 seconds and 10% of that is 0.03 seconds

severe folio
#

paperwise sound insignificant

bright ether
#

q; if i pull a blessing from a surge staff can i slap it on a trauma

lethal lagoon
#

It can weakspot now, it just doesn't get the weakspot damage or notifcation, but that should be a bug.

severe folio
#

shatfark have problem with coding lightning

obtuse moth
lethal lagoon
#

All their problems started from lazily copy and pasting surge into smite lmao

umbral helm
severe folio
#

a paralyzing dilemma

obtuse moth
#

code reuse makes a faster lighter game with less maintenance problems if done right. its the QA thats done wrong

lethal lagoon
#

a jolting conclusion

bold maple
#

psyker should get power sword I rest my case

severe folio
#

an electrocuting circumstance

severe folio
harsh urchin
#

You either go flurry with it to spam a shitload of balls

#

Or you go crit with nexus and surge

umbral helm
#

but it's all to meet a quota forced upon them, usually

harsh urchin
bold maple
bold maple
#

we need a cycler perk for that

#

3 strike minimum

obtuse moth
severe folio
bright ether
static needle
lethal lagoon
#

Illy uncharged still runs through hordes though

#

I much prefer illy to my vet's powersword

#

Unless it's a melee mael

severe folio
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if theres an illisis specific blessing it would be nice to have an “auto-charge” blessing where it automatically recharge upon a condition

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maybe