psyker-class

[idle aurora]

My guy literally wrote answer above

[smoky fractal]

yeah i know, but its the best thing i have rn without gambling for new stuff

[static needle]

i said "in this game" not just for psyker

[icy spoke]

I feel like there is one for vet but I never found which since the only time I heard it, was before inspect

[glossy ember]

usually anything that covers the face does

[wanton sandal]

i would share my build but im in game rn

[static needle]

i mean voicechanger

like zealots new

[icy spoke]

But for now, I only know of 2 and they are for Zealot

[static needle]

not just mask muffle

[late yew]

i see you never been ambushed by 10+ maulers

[wanton sandal]

oi'll throw it to you after

[limber tartan]

Actually i have, and my laspistol makes quick work of them

[glossy ember]

oh idk

guess it's still a dead talent huh

[limber tartan]

Due to high crit, dumdum and kiting and shooting in the body specifically where its flak

[glossy ember]

i want it so bad

[limber tartan]

5 to 7 shots and a mauler is dead

[late yew]

You should see how quickly laspistol deals with crushers on zealot when you ult the charge

[limber tartan]

I don't care about crushers i can't kill them with my laspistol

Let the other handle that shit

[late yew]

... you just ignored what i said

ok

[limber tartan]

Yea

Half of it that is

[icy spoke]

Lasgun Zealot is something else for poor crushers

[late yew]

you know, i never tried actual kantrael lasgun on him...

[idle aurora]

??????? i fucking said that zealot and ogryn are the only ones, do you read with ur ass

[static needle]

Which melee weapons need extra stamina the most?

[icy spoke]

I normally only run it on Lights out, since the revolver is pretty handy to have, but if you don't like the revolver, it's a good replacement for mid range engagements

[plucky flax]

Guys I made my vet into a hobo to celebrate the shitty-designed tree.

[wanton sandal]

all of em for pushing lol, but i do run +3 stam on my dueling sword

[static needle]

great ill do that too

[icy spoke]

I'd say Duelling

But +Stam is never bad

If you push a lot, that is, else don't bother

[glossy ember]

that's pretty good...

wait

[idle aurora]

I want to see how much peril a single sword activation would give, if resistance is 0

[glossy ember]

i wish i could tell you

i want one

0% warp res with 80% everywhere else

actual BIS

[idle aurora]

Hidden meta build

[near wyvern]

I think someone said it's 3 strokes to top up

[idle aurora]

Damn that's fast

[glossy ember]

that's like 35%

crazy

[idle aurora]

Actual gunpsyker dream lmao

[near wyvern]

Very true

[vocal iron]

yo what kind of curios are people running, 1 wound and what else? toughness or max HP

[near wyvern]

I hope they would increase peril gen on Assail LMB, or even better, give us a talent to give +20% non-warp damage inversely scaling with peril (so +0% at 100% peril)

[glossy ember]

anti scrier gunker?

[near wyvern]

1 stam 2 toughness

[glossy ember]

although then people would just take both talents

and always have 20% lol

[austere estuary]

would b interesting if they made assail that kind of tool - weak but non negligible damage but very high peril, as a generator for builds that need it

[near wyvern]

It levels with warp rider to always +20 if you use a gun

[glossy ember]

[near wyvern]

But that would give guns an edge over staves

[kind jay]

just add an unquell button

[near wyvern]

Currently they have less damage boosts available with harder access and less toughness gen, having access to +20 damage always by spending two talent points would level the game

[glossy ember]

but then

staves take it too

and guns take both warp rider and new talent too

so perma 20% damage, or am i reading this wrong

unless you can't reach both talents

somehow

could lock warp rider behind uh

warp siphon

and new talent behind dd i guess

[near wyvern]

NON-WARP damage. Enjoy your perma +20% on staff Bonk

[glossy ember]

OH

big bonk

well

[near wyvern]

Bonk is stonk

[glossy ember]

still worth for melee damage

wish staves had cool specials instead of a meme

[rare arrow]

It already works as a builder if you need it

[austere estuary]

yeah but mooore

[rare arrow]

You have trouble building peril? I can’t get rid of the stuff

[bright ether]

Just put an ogryn shovelhead on your stave an use its special

[glossy ember]

people on reddit asking for a 50% buff on surge staff

[wanton sandal]

run the leftmost bottom quell talent and you'll sneeze it away

[glossy ember]

i like my weird tech eye too much

[wanton sandal]

@smoky fractal my surge/assail build

can alternatively run EP and take some extra talents further up on the tree if you prefer

[young meteor]

I'm a trauma addict, is surge any good?

[wanton sandal]

it's real good when it wasn't bugged in the new update

i'll go back to using it more when it's hotfixed

[raw token]

if i earn deadly accurate do i get it for vraks 3?

[cloud heron]

you get it for all headhunter autoguns

[wanton sandal]

oh wait, hm

[glossy ember]

wait for hotfix to use surge

[wanton sandal]

@smoky fractal might be cool to run true aim with assail for guaranteed crits

gonna try that out

[glossy ember]

https://youtu.be/mxPGYtWQ77U but yes surge good

[smoky fractal]

i havent been using warp, might be the key factor

[glossy ember]

when it's not bugged

[wanton sandal]

using the warp often is a key factor to being a psyker

[young meteor]

Doesnt matter tbh, I haven't seen a 350+ surge staff at brunt's in age 🛏️

[glossy ember]

dw

when hotfix drops

you'll get a 380 perfect stat roll surge

trust

[wanton sandal]

you mean warp nexus on my surge?

[smoky fractal]

warp charges*

[young meteor]

Surely :prayge:

[wanton sandal]

ah

i find warp charges pretty useful with the peril gen from both surge and assail being fairly high

lot more uptime and more damage

[cloud heron]

warp charges are basically all I use

warp charges, venting shriek, and brain burst

talent update? never heard of it

[idle aurora]

The og psyker

[young meteor]

Which one is warp charge? the one that empowers yoir blitz or the one that give %dmg to everything?

[glossy ember]

left keystone

[wanton sandal]

left key--

damn it

[cloud heron]

they're all just so good. What would I want anything else for?

[glossy ember]

[glossy ember]

have you met our lord and savior, scrier

[cloud heron]

scrier doesn't let me do cool magic stuff as much

[wanton sandal]

i love shield, can never use any other special

[digital narwhal]

Hot Take:
This is the best Penance Set for Psyker.

[young meteor]

Well assail/shield is handy vs gunner spam

[glossy ember]

it does if you believe hard enough

[wanton sandal]

team dying? just plop down a shield and bam, they aren't dead

[cloud heron]

shield is nice but being able to vent is just so good

[wanton sandal]

the damnation set's pauldrons are way to big and look goofy

also green sash is cool

[late yew]

it is not

[wanton sandal]

*cough

[late yew]

if you have more than 5 braincells to watch peril

[orchid shadow]

Wrong. All psyker gear is ugly. Green prison clothes are the best.

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's Gaze >

[cloud heron]

It's not about not exploding. It's about functionally having extra peril, having a source of instant stagger, and a way to soulblaze a horde

[wanton sandal]

i actually like the psyker commisary stuff like this. no frills coat

but the comms operative jacket is the coolest

[cloud heron]

vent applying soulblaze which gives you warp stacks which lower the CD for vent is also just a really nice feedback loop in general

[digital narwhal]

Anything that isn't Scrier's Gaze is bad

[wanton sandal]

mid gimmick special, L ratio + no warp presence + no aquilas + no bitches

[digital narwhal]

Imagine not being able to manage Peril

Couldn't be me

[wanton sandal]

tho seriously i can't get into gun psyker so i haven't found a use for scrier's

[glossy ember]

who said we're using guns

[wanton sandal]

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's Gaze + Trauma Staff

[rare storm]

Hello siblings how goes the heretic purging

[glossy ember]

i run scrier + surge, you can't get worse than that peril wise

still very manageable

[young meteor]

basically IAG or laspistol is what's popular

[ornate hamlet]

Scrier is not for guns, it's for melee

[raw token]

whats IAG

[limpid cypress]

Scrier’s works pretty decent with a good voidstrike too

[wanton sandal]

infantry autogun

[cloud heron]

Vent being a source of knockback is also really nice. Can immediately un-dog a teammate or stop a gunner from firing or make a bomber drop his grenade. Super useful

[wanton sandal]

also zamn the new psyker bundle is lookin fine, but i wish i could look like a sea mine

[ornate hamlet]

You missed the drip coat that came with that helmet

[wanton sandal]

yea i saw that but i didn't bring myself to buy it

[plush basalt]

so with the hotfix, surge confirmed to be meant to be shit with limb dmg?

[ornate hamlet]

Surge is still super strong

[wanton sandal]

it's bugged till next hotfix

[plush basalt]

Surge staff on-kill gore effects are no longer always triggered when killing an enemy - now also limbs and heads may be dismembered instead of the whole torso.

[glossy ember]

hotfix will make it good again

[ornate hamlet]

Even without the bug doubling it's damage it's good

[glossy ember]

next hotfix

[wanton sandal]

they meant to make it visually target limbs and pop em off or w/e but they made it do it mechanically as well

[plush basalt]

no, its not

[ornate hamlet]

I'm top scoring damage without abusing the bug with it, simply a skill issue

[limpid cypress]

Surge’s damage is great

[near wyvern]

If you RMB throw an assail dart at 5 stacks of True Aim and swap to a weapon with deadly accurate 4 before it lands, it has some hilarious outcomes

[limpid cypress]

I have a very good surge that I used before the bug and I wish the bug could just vanish so I could get back to that

[orchid shadow]

Counterargument - your teammates could be terrible.

[plush basalt]

you are absolutely delusional if you think surge dmg is good after removing the bug, a lot of time it cant even kill a burster in 2 hits

[ornate hamlet]

Just slot in warp charges so people know you aren't a bug abusing shitter

[limpid cypress]

Probably a good idea

[plush basalt]

the bug made it useable finally, and after crying it got nerfed back to being terrible

[idle aurora]

my fav drip atm

[glossy ember]

people would still sometimes quit

even with warp charges around you

[glossy ember]

Nah

right now it's terrible because of a different bug

[wanton sandal]

the new rebreather without the rebreather looks sick af

[glossy ember]

but patch 14 you didn't need EP for surge staff to be good

[plush basalt]

it still isnt good if the limb bug is fixed though, its just not terrible

[ornate hamlet]

We posting drip?

[bright ether]

this

[limpid cypress]

Again, surge’s damage wasn’t bad. If you found that was the case, perhaps you should stop buying weapons with 20% damage

[ornate hamlet]

Gonna shoot up some Scholariums

[glossy ember]

surge staff had good damage and good ttk

[wanton sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/drip-goku-drip-goku-dripping-dripgod-gif-25245981

[orchid shadow]

Heck no. The onus isn't on me to change my build because of scoreboard watcher crybabies and Fatshark's inablity to get it right.

[idle aurora]

Ye, thank gods for show cosmetics mod, i skipped all that had mask and waited for this one

[plush basalt]

surge dmg is bad, and using a dumb-ass argument of "20% dmg" means you have no idea what you're talking about

[wanton sandal]

i was a fool 🧎‍♂️

i need to get that mod so i can preview upcoming cosmetics

[glossy ember]

how is it bad when it's really fast at dealing with elites without need for aiming

[plush basalt]

uhhhhhhhh

[wanton sandal]

cant wait for the psiveil cosmetics to drop tho

[plush basalt]

how is it fast

[glossy ember]

you could chain kill elites super fast

[plush basalt]

lmao

[glossy ember]

how is it not fast

[plush basalt]

it takes multiple hits to kill a poxburster

elites are worse

[limpid cypress]

The charge time is ungodly quick

[limber tartan]

HOly shit

[glossy ember]

why are you surging a poxburster

[limpid cypress]

Just push the damn thing

[limber tartan]

multiple hits to kill a poxburster

[ornate hamlet]

Bro wants to instakill everything

With no effort

[glossy ember]

also it's like one full charge one min charge for a poxburster

[stuck bridge]

you not using 6 wc?

[limber tartan]

This is the perosn that shoots them when you're trying to push them away

[glacial kindle]

💔

[glossy ember]

and one full charge if you crit

[plush basalt]

actual idiots

[clear light]

Is it possible to make more than 5 loadouts for a class?

[limpid cypress]

Imma just block ‘em

[analog agate]

I remember when cliffhanger was a higher amount. 15-20 guys? Can’t remember

[limpid cypress]

Because clearly they have nothing else reasonable to add

[cloud heron]

The mission on oblivion station or whatever, with the 3 interrogators that extend a bridge and then the section where you defend a central interrogator, is really good for getting this. Just bunch up a bunch of guys on one of the bridges leading to the central interrogator and knock them off.

[stuck bridge]

back when i went insane tryin to do it

[robust kayak]

Wait. Theres fking loadouts?

[idle aurora]

100% worth it, i already have a list of things that i will get, so i can just skip the majority of meh stuff

[teal needle]

Spent like an hour loading into that one dang map on damnation and praying nobody else would load in and mess it up

[clear light]

don't tell me you start your builds from scratch...

[glacial kindle]

I promise U i have tried it 1 million times but 4 some reason, my shout doesn’t stagger like other people’s & i cant get it

[cloud heron]

You need high peril

[glacial kindle]

i can only shove & pray

[robust kayak]

In my defence. My 2 othef friends had no clue either

[near wyvern]

Try killing a crusher 😂

[ornate hamlet]

@plush basalt What more do you want? This is without the bug abuse.

[analog agate]

It was easy. Hab dreyko after you finish finale. After the bridges blow up there was a spawn next to a ledge. I got it first couple of days the game came out 🤷‍♂️

[glacial kindle]

i know, im on my 3rd psyker RN

[robust kayak]

We recenyly returned fo the gams

[clear light]

in the top right corner, you can add more

I've seen people with more than 5, just not sure how they did it

[glacial kindle]

im going 2 eat my F key

[limber tartan]

To be fair i didn't notice the loadouts untill like a week after i returned to the game

[robust kayak]

Sht. Glad i randomly opened the discord for no apparent reason

[robust kayak]

Thanks

[plush basalt]

dude, its a multi-hit kill single target option, if you cant see how that's bad then theres nothing I can do

[robust kayak]

We returned about a week ago
Legit none of us has a clue and we play auric damnation

[teal needle]

Tbh though surge is certainly viable im pretty sure post nerf vs can still kill a crusher faster

[limber tartan]

That's the way it goes

[ornate hamlet]

So it's bad because it doesn't instakill everything effortlessly?

[cloud heron]

That's ar eally slow crusher kill considering the volume they can get thrown at you

[near wyvern]

True chads do one min charge one full charge to explode it further away in case someone decides to fire some rounds on it.

[plush basalt]

theres a massive difference between what I said and what you're saying here, and I'm not gonna reply if you argue in bad faith

[wanton sandal]

what do they mean tier 4 cosmetic set...

[near wyvern]

Yes if you have 2 characters of the same class

[copper torrent]

Or loadout mod

[idle aurora]

Probably penances

[stuck bridge]

i was tryin on chasm terminus and people would just grenade my hordes

[wanton sandal]

hope this one is part of a penance set as well

i just want a psiveil with a collar and no mask 😭

[cloud heron]

You gotta ask first

[ornate hamlet]

Psst, hey.
Don't tell Fatshart.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[orchid shadow]

You can also do ending of Smelter Complex with the giant pit in the middle I think.

[digital narwhal]

Cosmetics for Levelling Up Penance: Tier 1
Cosmetics for base Penances: Tier 2
Cosmetics for Malice Penances: Tier 3
Cosmetics for Heresy Penances: Tier 4

That's my best guess

[stuck bridge]

not every public lobby was forgiving back then!

that was long ago though

[wanton sandal]

seems like we'll also get some nice damnation gear as well

very cool

[idle aurora]

I fucking hope part 2 in December gives us all penance gear that just sits in files for all classes, while fs have their winter chillout

[limber tartan]

The ideal world

[wanton sandal]

fr, it'll be painful to wait till their winter break ends to get a new slew of (unlockable!!!) cosmetics

we need unlockable cosmetics in general, either thru penances or the commissary

[glossy ember]

That's only if you let it be a multi hit.
Also I take back what I said on "why would you surge a poxburster" because I do it often cuz I'm greedy for warp stacks but if you're not like that you probably should avoid it

[wanton sandal]

i like that special being at the bottom center

[cloud heron]

surging poxbursters is safe anyway, right? Or did they change that?

[wanton sandal]

it should stagger em, so as long as you dont do it next to a teammate

also jesus christ you play like you're on stimms

[glossy ember]

depends on how close your teammates are

usually people rush to push them

hence why you probably shouldn't surge a poxburster in most cases

[limber tartan]

Generaly you don't want to shoot them when they are near

[glossy ember]

I try to get the habit of switching to smite when i see one

[limber tartan]

Some. . . do not know that

[glossy ember]

but sometimes

free instant warp stack ykno

[tired knoll]

surging a poxburster means you dont get blown up by one of your teammates when you go to push

[limber tartan]

Its really a gamble isn't it

[glossy ember]

one that you shouldn't take with pugs

more often than not

[young meteor]

I'll sacrifice my teammate for a warp charge

[glossy ember]

but yeah sorry about that comment

they still die in one crit tho

[orchid shadow]

Too many times I've pinged one and no one does anything until get it gets close, then suddenly, everyone thinks it's their responsibility to kill it at the same time. So you have two closest people rushing in to push, only for a third one to shoot the thing. Sometimes you need to save your team from themselves if the poxburster is far enough away and just zap the thing.

[glossy ember]

more often than not i see people rushing to push them before they even get pinged

mileage may vary i guess

[unborn flicker]

Smite a poxburster then release for extra distance

then shoot it until it pops

Or force sword reflect

shits like a bluetooth melee

[stable silo]

my game glitched and i have no idea what build it made me but i randomly got brainburst as my blitz

i missed you sweet prince

even though you suck

[clear light]

love you

[tame venture]

https://vxtwitter.com/HMBohemond/status/1725008610365714842?t=AJJsF3wOAo11LljT758XeQ&s=19

[paper harbor]

You got harassed by ogryn hater?

[late yew]

this is why psykers are badass

imagine fighting whole your life against demons trying to get inside you

[royal ibex]

have a downloadable version

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

[tame venture]

You should be

Unironically

I swear there's such freaky people out there that has to be the reason why

[paper harbor]

When the psyker has conspiracy about emperor.

[royal ibex]

i can feel the warp inside me

[wanton sandal]

it should've ended with

[royal ibex]

ive seen a version of that but replace sanctioned psyker with assail

[glacial kindle]

we're back

[wanton sandal]

too true, jujst switched from smite to assail again and im blowing up

[royal ibex]

last mission i did was the new one on damnation, i blew myself up like 3 times, i keep going 'surely one assail will help thin this horde' , clsueless to the fact i hit fucking scryers beforehand and peril hasnt quite dipped yet

[glacial kindle]

let the MF drip flow

[royal ibex]

i may be stupid

[paper harbor]

https://youtu.be/GWD4K1WFICs?si=NI8EZxl1Lna_EKyu

[wanton sandal]

i looked and saw a grey cadian variant of this

gonna save for that

[glacial kindle]

probably smart

probably kino

[west onyx]

Surge staff good again?

[glacial kindle]

no go home

[wanton sandal]

not yet

next hotfix

[paper harbor]

Psyker asking fs buff surge staff

[glossy ember]

gave unarmoured a try on my surge staff, doesn't help that mch

[paper harbor]

I means I had that on also.

[wanton sandal]

tbh run elite on it

[glossy ember]

nah i'll go back to crit chance and wait for hotfix to play it again

[paper harbor]

I have flak and unarmored.

Yeah.

[barren arch]

so, what do you guys think of Devil's Claw swords, which marks are best at what?

[gilded viper]

I just run trauma cause bullying crushers and bulwarks is funny

[glacial kindle]

the mk thing is preference but they R invaluable

[near wyvern]

Mk 4 is your best Dclaw for everything but Illisi outclasses it mainly because of blessings and malefic momentum

[glacial kindle]

the parry is a catch-all get-out-of-jail card

[glossy ember]

is rampage bug gone

[near wyvern]

Not sure

But dclaw has trouble dealing with scab rager packs without rolling dice with parries

@barren arch check Atheneum, it's not completely updated for Patch 15 yet but dclaw didn't change so that part is up to date

[young meteor]

DClaw is a very safe weapon that stills shreds. All marks are good.

[barren arch]

can't see any mention of the Mk VII Devil's Claw in it - any thoughts on that weapon by chance?

[late yew]

Was that what your uncle told you?

[royal ibex]

[unborn flicker]

As a Pysker there is no better melee crowd clear

Its a power sword

a lightsaber

a pox pusher

Itll cut your depression in two

[prime elk]

True true

[wanton sandal]

prolly just an uninteresting variant of the mk4's moveset or something idk. mk4 is nice for the 1st heavy for striking down any pesky plumbers poxwalkers

[barren arch]

damn wish I had a sword like that

[late yew]

wait, that means it is actually a good blessing?

[young meteor]

Don't forget it's also a slab shield

[late yew]

Bloodthirsty instead of slaughterer?

[compact bluff]

the dclaw 7 is harder to use than the other two but has higher potential because of its combos
for example: single target combo on dclaw 4 is just heavy qq
single target combo on dclaw 7 is push attack light light heavy light which is better than dclaw 4 by a slight bit
its parry also chains right into a strikedown unlike the dclaw 4

[unborn flicker]

Itll knock a crusher on his toosh

[wanton sandal]

any thoughts on surge + scrier btw?

[unborn flicker]

It grants crits

[wanton sandal]

looking for an excuse to use scrier

[gilded viper]

Seems like a good way to explode

[unborn flicker]

after special attack kill

[paper harbor]

Become zealot

[tame venture]

Gun or melee
Scryer staves are suicidal

[gilded viper]

Scrier’s is better with void than any other stave from experience, but if you want it on surge I might suggest running that peril resistance talent

[wanton sandal]

single target on mk4 is h1l2 and just repeat until it's on the ground twitching

[late yew]

I can read, yes

ALso i use that blessing on evi

[unborn flicker]

Is 35% more power better than a crit every other attack?

[late yew]

Not sure if you have time to do special every attack in dense hordes

[compact bluff]

h1 qq is more damage though, but yes h1l2 is the alternative if you dont like qq cancelling

[tame venture]

Can do the one power sword that gets big cleave

Special attacks are preferable then

[late yew]

power sword?

That is vet exclusive

[tame venture]

Magic sword

Tomato tomato

[unborn flicker]

It makes space for you with its effectiveness, if the first swing didnt kill everything then the second with crit bonus will

[wanton sandal]

im a comfort gamer, but yea that sounds like epic minmaxing

[tame venture]

It's a sword with "press button to energy"

[paper harbor]

force sword you means

[unborn flicker]

and you can reapply special in that space

[royal ibex]

wonder if blaze swords gonna get something like power cycler

[paper harbor]

that would be useful

[unborn flicker]

The thing that lets you swing multiple times?

[gilded viper]

Blaze swords tend to be more akin to the chainswords than a power sword (exception being illisi) so idk

[paper harbor]

multiple powered attack

[tame venture]

It would probably be a bit too strong for the cleave one, and wonky for the BB one

[royal ibex]

true. would be funny if you could get a blessing that lets you stack charges though, hit super hard

[tame venture]

Rev it up on force swords then?

[pale pilot]

so what does the surge staff change mean? that it's random damage range is from it targeting a random body part and the biggus crits are from it hitting heads?

[late yew]

That is force sword

[tame venture]

Not it's magic

[late yew]

you are magic

it is psycher powers

[royal ibex]

space magic. dw about it

[gilded viper]

40k doesn’t have magic, clearly, because we don’t call it that

[static needle]

Is blocking efficiency good to run on a duelling sword?

[unborn flicker]

dodge it all

[static needle]

eh

not when im overwhelmed

[gilded viper]

I suppose if you don’t run peril blocking

[static needle]

like, what can do to make the mk iv better at handling hordes?

[gilded viper]

But typically it’s better to do some pushing attacks and try to thin the horde

[late yew]

it does

[static needle]

dont u need stamina to spam those?

[late yew]

Chaos sorcerers use magic

Psykers use different kind of power

[upbeat parcel]

I recommend having a +3 stamina curio on ur psyker it adds so much survivability

[late yew]

Stamina curio advice

now i've seen it all

[upbeat parcel]

IT DOES THO I SWEAR

[tame venture]

There's the talent to take peril instead of stamina on blocking hits

[late yew]

shut up

You have very high stamina with kinetic deflection

[tame venture]

Honestly I agree, psyker has a small stamina pool, but good recharge

[late yew]

why would you ever need more stamina

[static needle]

yes but do u need stam to push with duel sword?

[tame venture]

Running to catch up with my team that's already pressed the button

[gilded viper]

2 stam is fine, I wouldn’t spam it, just give yourself some room to get attacks in safely, you might also switch to shriek if you find yourself overwhelmed a bunch, very good get off me button

[spice oar]

might have to run it instead of warp nexus when surge gets fixed, since apparently the crit bonus aint that astounding

[gilded viper]

Although I also run peril blocking on every build

It’s just good

[upbeat parcel]

psyker with big stamina and peril on block is kind of the best monstrosity tank

[paper harbor]

against demonhost

[upbeat parcel]

it would still kinda cook but if u hit a wall gg

[paper harbor]

mostly dodging and avoid being grab

[static needle]

so would u personally ever use +3 stamina curio while using duelling sword?

[paper harbor]

having big stamina is small part block hitting

[gilded viper]

No I don’t ever consider +stamina curios

[late yew]

You are psyker

if you need to push in melee, something already went wrong

[upbeat parcel]

btw if you're only using dueling sword for horde clear, get the rampage blessing

[static needle]

yes and i am master dueller

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/driller-blink-gif-23722040

[late yew]

I love dueling sword

but i only use it for crashers, maulers and ragers

an d mutants obviously

[static needle]

I mostly use this for horde clear

[late yew]

not need to use it on anything else

ESPECIALLY hordes

[static needle]

but like

[spice oar]

what if your melee psyker?

[late yew]

Then you play wrong class

[paper harbor]

I am melee psyker

[upbeat parcel]

melee psyker can do well tbh but one mistake and you're going down in auric

[spice oar]

waa waa

[paper harbor]

kill kill kill kill kill kill

[upbeat parcel]

a good psyker can destroy shit with their blitz and staff but if they also can handle themselves in melee

ur set for any difficulty

[late yew]

Well obviously

but you should not generally be in melee

Your strength lies elsewhere

just play zealot if you want only melee

I play both

[late yew]

Why not flurry + quell on headshots?

actually better for horde clear

[paper harbor]

i run scrier and melee

that's most time on damnation

[upbeat parcel]

I wouldn't run scrier and melee on auric but it sounds fun on damn

[static needle]

what blessings and perks should i use on duelling sword mk IV with this as primary? im doing a soulblaze build

[paper harbor]

regular damnation

i didnt touch auric

or maelstorm

[wanton sandal]

uncanny and uhh maybe shred

[static needle]

perks?

blocking efficiency?

[wanton sandal]

maniac and idk maybe carapace

[static needle]

why maniac?

[paper harbor]

they said most enemies are maniac

[wanton sandal]

why not maniac? it's the best damage type to have

ragers and mutants are maniac

you want those gone asap

[static needle]

okidoke

[upbeat parcel]

extra damage to ragers in your face is huge

[static needle]

i was thinking flak

[wanton sandal]

built right, you can nearly oneshot a damnation mutant

oneshot with a crit

[paper harbor]

on head?

[wanton sandal]

yeah

[upbeat parcel]

remember that your special action with dueling sword

on a headshot

[wanton sandal]

ragers are about 2-3ish shots

[upbeat parcel]

stuns ragers

[paper harbor]

thats not everytime we can score headshot

[upbeat parcel]

and muties

makes them stumble for a sec

does no damage tho

[wanton sandal]

dueling special can stagger everythinhg

[paper harbor]

do you means using smite?

i don't rememer the special poke stagger muttie

[upbeat parcel]

gotta be a headshot

or it doesn't work

[paper harbor]

well that going be issue

like trying trick stab

[wanton sandal]

you can hit it with enough practice

[paper harbor]

i wont get use in psykernium compare in mission when you have active enemy around you

or close by

[late yew]

i actually did that

Not bad, but again

[wanton sandal]

that's why you practice in mission

[late yew]

if you play psyker as melee

you are not using your strengths

[wanton sandal]

or get the psykanium mod

[paper harbor]

i just heavy attack on mutie they die 2-3 hit

[strong gulch]

OOF. My 48 quell speed trauma without shriek is pain. I have gotten too used to yelling my peril away because I did an oops.

[wanton sandal]

melee is unavoidable as psyker sometimes

[late yew]

easier than it might seem

[wanton sandal]

best to have a good melee for when you do get something in your face

[paper harbor]

for landing headshot

[late yew]

what

[late yew]

Very much avoidable

[paper harbor]

i have to walk face front mutie to land headshot

[gilded viper]

If mk4 dueling isn’t your style, I do love me Deimos

[late yew]

not even mentioning you have so many things that allow you to never enter melee

Assail, smite, trauma

[paper harbor]

everytime i dodge mutie attack is goes behind their back

[late yew]

even void

Purgatus too

[wanton sandal]

ok

[paper harbor]

that only i have 1 melee psyker

while 4 of them are ranged

[strong gulch]

If you want to melee as psyker, melee as psyker.

[late yew]

How dare you to play the way you want

and not the way i want

smh

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[paper harbor]

i lost this context

[maiden wolf]

Can anyone tell me what the other two duelling swords that aren't the MK4 do?

[gilded viper]

Wait I misread the question

[wanton sandal]

just diff movesets i think

specifically the heavies

[maiden wolf]

But do they have different strengths? From what I can tell the MKII is for crowds

[wanton sandal]

prolly, but idk. havent really used em

[orchid shadow]

They should give you two generic slots for your weapons and let you bring two swords if you want to.

[late yew]

MK4 has way higher damage on headshot heavies for some reason

So no reason to take other DS

[late yew]

sounds like throwing

[strong gulch]

Duel wield.

I am still waiting on the other duelies getting their heavies buffed like Mk 4. They promised.

[late yew]

They are still too similar

They should make them more different to have any reason to take others

[strong gulch]

The MK 2 is noticeably different. Better for hordes that the other duely swords

They are similar tho.

[scenic dawn]

Any advice on the warp battery penance? I'm stuck on 202 out of 300 and can't get anymore.

[upbeat parcel]

remember that it only counts if u have 6

[late yew]

Really sucks now

[upbeat parcel]

also go soulblaze build

[late yew]

glad i did it before talent rework

[scenic dawn]

6 WHAT?!

[upbeat parcel]

yeah even if your max is 4 becasue of talent tree stuff it won't count

u need to be at 6

[scenic dawn]

All this time I thought it could be on 4!

[upbeat parcel]

nope

[late yew]

And you need to never ult

which is dumb

[scenic dawn]

Well....... shit.

[late yew]

at least before it was an optional talent

[scenic dawn]

That sucks.

[upbeat parcel]

you'll get it pretty quick

[scenic dawn]

Thanks for the insight.

[upbeat parcel]

I got it on my first match when I figured out it needed to be at 6

so much time wasted...

[scenic dawn]

Knowledge is power. Guard it well.

[late yew]

Can really easily lose 1 stack though

if you get unlucky

or your team too slow

[strong gulch]

No clue about current penances these days.

Warp battery needing 6 is silly. wtf

Reaper and scab gunner were shooting into a bulwark shield while that bulwark was eating some plasma gun.

[fading iris]

"Hm... nice bell"

[late yew]

infighting would be funny mechanic

If enemy accidentally hits another, they should fight

i think Doom had that mechanic?

[analog agate]

I swear, every time I wander into Zealot chat is the most random conversations with no relation to anything tide related lol

[fading iris]

for one second I thought you were talking about player friendly fire

[upbeat parcel]

vets and psyker chats are always talking about class stuff and builds

ogryn and zealot chats are usually just vibing

[cloud heron]

i really don't get why so many people like smite

psyker has so many AoE damage options and I feel like every one of them is better than smite

[upbeat parcel]

u don't pick smite for damage

the breathing room it gives to your team can be run saving

[cloud heron]

yeah, but death is a more effective form of CC than electrocuting people

[fierce crest]

nothing in the game deals death fast enough to be as much CC as smite

[upbeat parcel]

like if a patrol of crushers is rushing your team no amount of damage will outvalue smite

[cloud heron]

Trauma can manage groups of crushers just fine

[glossy ember]

can't always kill 20 ragers/maulers in one go with two downed teammates

or something like that

[upbeat parcel]

like if u have a plasma gun vet on your team

smite can give him breathing room to use it

[cloud heron]

You can also create breathing room by just contributing to killing things

and therefor making it so there are fewer enemies

[wise sundial]

Is this worth upgrading?

I don't know how important charge rate is

[glossy ember]

is melk cooking?

[late yew]

Of course

[tired knoll]

nope

[median hawk]

So I heard the Surge staff is bugged at the moment

[late yew]

not bugged, just changed in a bad way

i.e. it is most likely intended

Just not good decision

[wind wadi]

Pretty important if you want to drop flurry for surge or transfer peril

[median hawk]

Well that is a bit fucked up

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75

It's a bug, thiccsushi is working on the fix

[late yew]

Alright

I mena

[wanton sandal]

when the ogryn wants to be like spark 'ead

[late yew]

hard to say something is a bugged when it literally aws coded the way it was not before

More like oversight

[wanton sandal]

it's an ebb and flow, but usually psyker chat is always about the game and builds

[fading iris]

You should be amazed how Jimmy went to make a visual change... and end up changing the damage

[upbeat parcel]

I will say smite feels terrible to use

if u have a bad team

[median hawk]

Oh yeah, I just go with Assail

assail is always nice

[upbeat parcel]

my favorite smite situation is smite psyker with assail psyker

[late yew]

no, it kills whole horde and stuns the rest

[upbeat parcel]

smite gives assail psyker space to go wild

[late yew]

you can finish the rest with your weapons

[late yew]

IT gives everyone space

And assail psyker does not need much space

[bright ether]

every time i've seen smite in action it's always just CC'ing poxhounds and never popping them

[fading iris]

It's never enough, @glossy ember always wants more

[glossy ember]

im bald

😦

[fading iris]

embrace it

turn into power

[late yew]

Because it only really kills horde, nothing else

Also

[glossy ember]

[bright ether]

ah makes sense

[late yew]

get god damned enemy healthbars mod

[fading iris]

or when I put a mask and my character beard was clipping

[late yew]

It is such qol mod

everyone should have it

[glossy ember]

i think it's a bit more than qol

[late yew]

as is Numeric UI

[bright ether]

i use it to help track elites

[glossy ember]

definitely gives a clear advantage

not that i'm complaining

[bright ether]

if i see a number bar it needs to be deleted asap

[late yew]

Yeah, i suppose

[tawdry void]

With a Soulblaze build. Does anyone have any suggestions for mistakes ive made or changes?

[late yew]

taxe

euuuww

[bright ether]

why wound

[upbeat parcel]

the first mistake is tactical axe

[late yew]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-puke-ugh-gif-25512927

[tawdry void]

just the highest melee i have

[late yew]

well get some other melee

deimos

[bright ether]

drop wound for more toughness

[late yew]

dueling sword

or that, what was it

Illi

[upbeat parcel]

also I'm not sure voidstrike is the go to for a soulblaze build

[late yew]

Wound is fine

[late yew]

Also better take 2 toughness instead of 2 health

[bright ether]

wound is a waste

[fading iris]

I don't remember, isn't taxe bugged or something like that? heard someone say something about the other day but don't remember

[late yew]

I prefer wound on psyker

[bright ether]

[late yew]

Although i don't run wounds on zealot

[upbeat parcel]

recc having at least 1 health or fire will delete you

[bright ether]

just dont get hit 5head

[late yew]

Shut

[bright ether]

[tawdry void]

i just like void for hordes, and will BB bigger guys, and the tac axe gets good hits on unyielding bosses. I had 2x1 wounds and dropped one for the 2nd Max health.

[late yew]

tax b ad

probably worst weapon in the game right now?

[bright ether]

swords pl0x

illi or deimos

[late yew]

also void gets bigger guys well

don't need BB with void

in fact, you don't need blitz with void at all

it is the best all arounder staff

[hidden crystal]

Wound curios usually feel like false economy to me. The core problem with picking it instead of Health or Toughness is that on higher difficulties, one player going down often starts a chain reaction that frags the mission.

[supple skiff]

Void is great, which is too bad because that means it’s next for the chopping block

[upbeat parcel]

fix surge and I won't complain

[hidden crystal]

On Heresy and Damnation, a +20% health curio buys you +30% health across all your wounds (+20% on your first wound, and half of that on the second). A Wound curio buys you 33.33...% health across all your wounds but you have to rely on being got up twice to get that.

[frank moat]

Man I totally forgot Melk actually sells stuff

[tawdry void]

so if i went w/ this guy over my taxe, what would yall suggest changing?

[frank moat]

I’ve been farming his contracts daily but forgot I should actually be checking his dinky shop for the last like two weeks

[viscid matrix]

If you are playing wounds, you are playing to die

Toughness or health curios are preference

I prefer 3x 25% hp curios

[hidden crystal]

However, when you've already got two health curios, then a wound has then perhaps got more of an argument for it. Its 33.33% is multiplicative, whereas a further health curio would be additive.

[viscid matrix]

Don’t go down, and you will never need a wound curio

[tawdry void]

lol i wish it was that easy >.<

[viscid matrix]

It is

[proven raven]

wound curios being a skill issue is a hot take

[kind jay]

i mean if youre planning to not get hit, why not use 3x stam

ez

[viscid matrix]

3x Stam is almost a waste too, cause we have 97% of a peril bar for blocking
Stam only useful for sprinting and pushing at that point

[proven raven]

been running x3stam since closed beta lol

[hidden crystal]

Three +20% Health curios results in a total of +60% damage capacity.
Two +20% Health and +1 wound then gives +86% health over all your wounds, which is then a much more significant improvement.

[kind jay]

sounds more useful than health if you're not getting hit ever

[viscid matrix]

You get only an extra down state from wound curios
Where is this extra hp coming from? We have no bonuses to defence between wounds like zealot

[cloud heron]

You need to be picked back up to get the benefit of a wound curio. Most wipes are caused by not being able to be picked back up (rather than deleted outright from lack of wounds)

[viscid matrix]

You can also get 5% from perks for a total of 25% per curio

[supple skiff]

2 wound gang

[spice veldt]

if you have a trend of going down, you might as well pick wounds

if it works, it works

[cloud heron]

Wounds are the little brother pick

[proven raven]

I take an extra wound so I can knowingly detonate when it is useful

[cloud heron]

the times when a detonation is more advantageous than just staying alive are so niche that they aren't worth planning for

[proven raven]

good thing those niches are there then, eh?

[bright ether]

[cloud heron]

There's opportunity cost though, and the other 3 options are infinitely more useful and could put you in a position where a detonation aren't necessary

[umbral helm]

extreme number crunching is often, in itself, niche. but a lot of people throw a hissy fit over it anyway

[cloud heron]

like if you're going through a game actively looking for times to blow yourself up, your teammates are probably getting pretty annoyed at you

[bright ether]

not me apologizing for the deto at the very end of the map extract

[hidden crystal]

If you have a 150 base health, your second wound gives you 75 health. Total of 225 health before death.
If you have +20% health, that gives you 180 and 90 health on each life. That gives you 270 health before death.
If you If you have +1 wound, that gives you 150, 100 and 50 health on each life. Total of 300 health before death.

A wound does give you more total damage capacity than a health curio, with the drawback of, indeed, needing to be picked up.

[fading iris]

[cloud heron]

That's a big condition though that you can't really just gloss over.

[hidden crystal]

That's not relevant, as you can also get that on a wound Curio. The comparison here is just the main Blessings.

[proven raven]

no I only do that when I'm bored

[bright ether]

i dont think i wanna rely on my teammates picking me up just to benefit from more health

[fading iris]

this still the best curio

[proven raven]

I call it "bank robbery supreme"

[viscid matrix]

wounds dont give you hp at all, they split your current hp betwen them, take base hp of 150
instead of 75hp per wound, with a 3rd wound its 50hp per wound

[static needle]

😭

[viscid matrix]

oof 1% short on burn and cloud

[cloud heron]

He's calculating the health you'd have if you go down and get picked back up constantly, which is extremely optimistic

[static needle]

ive heard that at least 76% burn is a threshhold you need to hit

is that true?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[static needle]

i hate this

i wanna die from this xd

[viscid matrix]

it gives you an extra max stack of soulblaze from the staff

[static needle]

[hidden crystal]

But they do though. On your second wound, you will stand up with more HP than if you brought an HP curio.

[fading iris]

so close but so far

[static needle]

what should I change precognition to?

[viscid matrix]

tbh to me that playstyle is playing to lose
i like being able to tank a mauler or crusher slam and live if i make a mistake

[cloud heron]

But it's not health you can consistently realize.

[viscid matrix]

Unstable power if you live in high peril, slaughterer if not

[static needle]

Thats not a blessing for duelling swords

[umbral helm]

I feel like this is a debate where people keep flip flopping whether they're talking about practicality or just raw numbers

any point made for the prior is met with the latter, and vice versa

[viscid matrix]

sorry i meant Rampage
riposte is good too

mistaked fsword and dsword mod pools

[neon steppe]

I like riposte on dueling swords

[cloud heron]

Because the only way wounds makes sense is when you do these white room calculations, where every point of HP is used perfectly efficiently and your team will just pick you up 8 times in a mission rather than vote kicking you

[clear heath]

I don't think anyone ever argues wounds are mathematically bad.
It's just not very practical a lot of the time

[fading iris]

Just don't get hit/down, end of the problem, ++ gaming is the answer ++

[rocky wraith]

I can't believe they would nerf the surgestaff this hard ON PURPOSE

like wtf

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75

[clear heath]

they probably just made the change without thinking about it

[cloud heron]

There's a bit difference between never going down and planning to go down to optimize your total HP pool. Med stations let you go down multiple times in a mission without a single wound curio

[rocky wraith]

i don't trust until it has actually gone through, community managers say a lot of things

[clear heath]

oh they're actually planning on fixing it?

[rocky wraith]

knowing fatshark this is probably just damage control

[clear heath]

honestly impressed. thought it would take until the next major patch

[upbeat parcel]

surge staff is literally unusable now

[umbral helm]

I don't really care which one is right. people are being silly talking about it, but go on. keep at it.

[upbeat parcel]

it was my favorite staff

[fading iris]

yeah, on the hot fix for the patch notes, they say that supposed to be a visual thing only, but they said in a weird way, the repply clarifies

[rocky wraith]

somehow i don't believe that

[fading iris]

could be a damage control, yes

[upbeat parcel]

it could be worse we could be vet players

[fading iris]

the code that ppl found was for body parts for damage, not just visual, at the end, getting fixed or "fixed", the end is the same

[clear heath]

wait this happened just so we could gib other body parts? wtf

[orchid shadow]

It's still "usable" Just expect to get all your kills taken if you're the first to zap a special and take it's health down first. Also, what did they do to veterans?

[hidden crystal]

Perhaps not, but it's worth pointing out that by your third +20% HP curio, because curios are additive, you're actually only getting +14% over what you already have. (Relative to 140%, 160% health is a ~14% increase).

The +33% total damage capacity that having a third wound gives you is however multiplicative of your health total. Sure, you do need to be got up twice to use it, but you now potentially have 186% total health (I messed up some numbers in an earlier post) - and 186% rather than 160% is getting to be a large jump in how much damage you can take between health stations.

Whether it's large enough to justify gambling on needing to be got up twice is another matter, but this is a best case scenario for wound curios being useful.

[viscid matrix]

you are justifying going down multiple times up to your last wound after every medstation

[hidden crystal]

No I'm not.

[maiden wolf]

I'm trying to figure out if stacking cooldown reduction boosts would make them more effective or less effective.

[clear heath]

+1 wound isn't bad for a new player easing into damnation. they will generally go down and get picked up a lot more often

[fading iris]

The idea, according to Thiccsushi, was to make the effects more grimdark, Jimmy the dev ended up making psyker's surge builds more grimdark

[viscid matrix]

agreed, but the goal is to get down to 2 wounds and play thru without going down

[cloud heron]

It's the same amount of HP relative to your base health, which is what's actually important. It's HP that's keeping you contributing to the fight and off of the floor. It's HP you can regenerate at med stations every time and med kits and offsetting corruption

[maiden wolf]

one neat trick I realized is that with warp charges and cooldown reduction on elite kill, you get cooldown reduction for both your current ult, AND the next one for each elite you kill, which is nutty.

[clear heath]

yeah eventually you want to switch to 2 wounds.
but a first time damnation player isn't usually gonna survive that well

[maiden wolf]

I'm in the "Always take a wound" camp myself.

[upbeat parcel]

they got keystones but in exchange fatshark nerfed a fuck ton of other stuff

making them overall worse

[maiden wolf]

But I also run kinetic deflection on all my builds. I'm all about that stability yo.

[hidden crystal]

I don't personally use wound curios any more, but if someone's taking one alongside two +HP curios, I have to concede that the way the maths works out makes some sense.

[clear heath]

At some point, you get to the point where the wound is very rarely helping you.
Either you only go down in truly fucked situations where no one can find time to res you, or you're the last to die and there's literally no one

[maiden wolf]

I'm thinking of putting CD reduction on all my curios so I can get 10+4+4+4+other bonueses cooldown at all times

[clear heath]

or you just go down once and then find medicae station

[hidden crystal]

In theory an extra wound does make them tougher than their third +HP curio.

[clear heath]

the actual odds of going down twice before a medicae station while still having a chance to be revived dwindles as you get better

[inner pilot]

where my head burster psykers at

[cloud heron]

Again, the phrase 'in theory' is doing a lot of heavy lifting

[upbeat parcel]

they all stayed in the pre skill tree patch

[uneven compass]

Anyone try Surge staff with Disrupt Destiny? Just saw a random reddit comment about it since its targetting limbs and weakspots. Not sure if its worse, equal, or better than warp charges

[clear heath]

classic fatshark trying to make a visual change to surge and making it unplayable

at least they didn't blind us this time

[lethal lagoon]

Surge still kind of wild if there's enough smoke in the air

[orchid shadow]

meekly raises hand Although I have to admit, when I quickplay, I have to run smite as there's no guarantee I'll get to choose my loadout after seeing my team and it might drop me into a warzone. Otherwise, I like running BB

[clear heath]

yeah true. hate how it interacts with smoke

[maiden wolf]

I run headburst with my trauma+shield build.

[upbeat parcel]

BB feels so bad when u have a plasma gun vet on ur team

[hidden crystal]

And that's why I say that there's some gambling going on.

But the numbers here are getting large enough that I can't call it clear cut that one is better than the other like I would when considering just one curio at a time.

[lethal lagoon]

The different ways it can mangle a crusher atm is so fucking cool though. To bad it randomly takes 4-11 surge charges to kill one lmao.

[maiden wolf]

I'm a wound-stam-X style psyker.

[upbeat parcel]

stam - hp - toughness for me

[hot zephyr]

I used to run health/tough/wound but I've converted to tough/tough/3-Stam and I won't look back

[upbeat parcel]

I would replace hp for another tough but fire ignores tough

[clear heath]

I've been doing 2 toughness 1 hp

[upbeat parcel]

and I don't wanna get deleted by them

[kind jay]

it's better damage but worse peril. and certainly not worth it with the limb issue atm

[hidden crystal]

Given that most Curio Blessings/Perks are additive rather than multiplicative, I think there's a reasonable argument against stacking more than two of the same type.

[lethal lagoon]

I alternatve between 2 T, 1 H, and 3 T.

[uneven compass]

how much better damage? Is the increased peril just a big frustration over war charges?

[lethal lagoon]

3 T with Surge staff kind of great

[daring crescent]

Is kinetic deflection mainly helpful if you have a force sword with kinetic deflection?

[hot zephyr]

Toughness curios are especially great if you can get an extra bit of toughness on the perk. Getting a couple 16+4 curios isn't terribly difficult

[lethal lagoon]

Curios are baby shit nowadays, used to only be able to roll 1 perk

get that 17+5

[clear heath]

1 hp curio is always nice to have.
Can survive more bursters, for me it lets me survive an extra sniper shot, and i don't feel like dying if someone grabs a grimoire

[hidden crystal]

Oh, I have a painful amount of +17% Toughness and +21% Health curios that Hadron bricked, even with the crafting changes.

[kind jay]

15% dam + 30% crit dam for 15 stacks vs 24% dam for 6 charges. charges are more consistent but the crits on DD hit harder. i didn't find peril management too annoying over charges personally

[severe folio]

i like to have wound curio

[lethal lagoon]

1 wound on psyker is probably smart, but my ego is too big

[severe folio]

same

but my ego tell me to not get wipe away

[lethal lagoon]

Plus I'm so often the last 1-2 people alive, what's an extra wound gonna do there?

[uneven compass]

Yeah just tried it out in the practice room but cant build charges since the enemies dont get marked in there but i see what you mean about more peril. Def noticable but might be worth it for the damage. Gonna try it out in a match

[hidden crystal]

Curios with maxed out Toughness and Health only show up in the armoury relatively rarely, and then Hadron always refuses to give me one T4 perk I like on any of them.

[floral kayak]

3 wounds chad coming through 💪

[clear heath]

1 down per medicae is plenty

[floral kayak]

jk

[eager mantle]

You're gonna miss that wound when you get into a shit situation and take a surprise pox burster leaping out a spawn door, a teammate shooting it, or you not managing stamina

[lethal lagoon]

Make psyker explosion like Ogryn nuke, and I'm running 3 wounds 3 days a week

[orchid shadow]

For all the time I've been playing, I don't think I've had more than handful of 17% toughness curios, and none of them have rolled well, so I've been stuck with double HP for months. They really need to add curios to the Brunt.

[lethal lagoon]

Just use the store web app

I think you can get it to notify you

[kind jay]

it's not too bad if you also have battle meditation and the dd quell node. but yeah try it out and see if you like it or not

[floral kayak]

So 1 wounds is generally safe and recommended?

[clear heath]

is that gonna happen twice before your next medicae statjon though? i don't think it's common enough

like sure it happens

[lethal lagoon]

For learning, yeah

[clear heath]

but it has to happen twice to kill you even without wound curios

[lethal lagoon]

1 hp, 1 toughness, 1 wound is mathmatcally sound

[hot zephyr]

I used one wound for a while to get used to the pace of combat on damnation, once your used to it and have a better idea where to be and how not to die, you can usually swap it for something else

[floral kayak]

Thanks, I'm a VT2 vet but have like 10 hours in DT lol. Have to relearn the whole game

[floral kayak]

Yeah that makes sense. I'll probably run that too at first

[clear heath]

just use the wound until it starts feeling like you don't make use of it. it's fine for starting out

[hidden crystal]

I've got a large pile of them stuck at purple with two crap T3 perks where I'm not sure I can bring myself to spend the plasteel to see if she'll give me a good T4 as the final perk.

So at the moment, I'm actually still stuck with a +15+5 Toughness curio and a +20 Health one because I can't get good perks on a replacement.

[lethal lagoon]

They play different enough I would call them just both left 4 dead clones rather than tide games.

[eager mantle]

I'd say with the combat director, enough times and I'd rather have the insurance over worrying about a bit more health or toughness.

[lethal lagoon]

you can argue even just 10 toughness will add up over the course of a game

[tawdry void]

replace Blazing Spirit w/ Slaughter?

[floral kayak]

Also I'm a bit confused by what people are saying, can't you get 3 curious with 3 traits each?

[lethal lagoon]

yeah?

[hot zephyr]

One trait, three perks.

[floral kayak]

Why wouldn't you run 3x tough?

Ah

[lethal lagoon]

It's 15-17% toughness and then you can role one 5% toughness perk per curio.

[eager mantle]

You can. You're also on deaths door with 1 down.

[clear heath]

toughness has a lot of value for letting you be more aggressive before you have to dip
although having hp too low can get uncomfortable so i run 1 hp

[eager mantle]

+3 Stamina gang

[clear heath]

i feel like our blocking is so strong without the stamina curio though

[floral kayak]

Oh okay. Thanks guys, making more sense now

[lethal lagoon]

I never collected stamina curios back when I was religiously checking the store app and I'm way too lazy to do that now.

[clear heath]

like i'm already stalling daemonhosts just fine with base stamina and peril blocking. just have to put in like any effort to dodge it

[eager mantle]

I want more to sprint with and when I don't run the block talent

[hidden crystal]

Most of the curio perks/blessings are additive, so they provide proportionally smaller benefits; there's a reasonable argument against stacking more than two of any one type.

(For toughness, there's also the factor that some things just straight up delete or ignore it).

[lethal lagoon]

Stamina curios with dagger on my zealot is funny

Zoom-zoom

[lethal lagoon]

Unless you aren an Ogryn with 190ish toughness and feel no pain, you can shrug off a sniper shot

it's glorious

[eager mantle]

Also when capping out at scriers gaze, I want that stamina to block

[lethal lagoon]

At 200 toughness and 400 hp, it takes 8 crusher overhead to kill my big boy.

[river stirrup]

would u guys recommand EP or warp charges with a surge staff?

[lethal lagoon]

Assuming you regen the tough

[floral kayak]

I see

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is bugged atm, wouldn't recommend using it at all

But warp charges if you really want to

[river stirrup]

ah? what is the bug

[lethal lagoon]

I'd do EP smite surge when it's fixed, hopefully soon

[clear heath]

randomly hits arms and does like half damage sometimes

[lethal lagoon]

Randomly targets enemy limbs for -50% damage

[river stirrup]

i tend to run voidstrike / warp / smite

[eager mantle]

Depends on your blitz. Wait for their next hotfix to patch. Warp Charges are great with the less peril generation and damage

[lethal lagoon]

It can take like 8-9 full charges to kill a crusher atm when it should take 4.

[hidden crystal]

Arms remain one of the best armour types in the game.

[orchid shadow]

It maaaaaaay be time for me to update my curious.. I'm still running these perks an all three of my curios...

[hot zephyr]

I have a few of those. Good times!

[eager mantle]

Fuck gunners, me and my homies hate gunners

[hot zephyr]

Gunner resist used to be S tier

Keyword: Used to be

[clear heath]

i'd say gunner res is better now than it used to be

[lethal lagoon]

Barrage -> nexus, specialists -> flak

Can also do 5% crit chance instead of specialists

Crit applies 2 stacks of soulblaze

[hot zephyr]

When the bug for gunners that made them immune to being suppressed happened, it was S+ mandatory lol

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen is kind of wild atm, it depends on your char, but I don't even run that much gunner rez on my ogryn atm, who had to have it in past.

By toughness regen, I mean general toughness recovery methods

[hot zephyr]

What is psyker base toughness value before any perks/talents/etc? 50?

[lethal lagoon]

75 I think

[spice veldt]

60

[lethal lagoon]

Oof, I literally just leveled another psyker

[spice veldt]

there are 5x +15 toughness nodes which bump you to 135

simply intuit their base stats through the morphogenetic field

[floral kayak]

Is 30% toughness regen speed just for base regen? Does it just reduce the delay?

[spice veldt]

interestingly enough, it does both

[lethal lagoon]

It's just for coherency regen, and it's both delay and toughness per second

[clear heath]

it reduces delay and increases regen speed

[tribal spade]

this worth buying ?

[lethal lagoon]

No

Save melk for god-tier rolls or t4 blessings.

[floral kayak]

Wow, so with 90% how much delay is there?

[lethal lagoon]

Still too much for it to be worth it honestly.

In my opinion

Not bad on a veteran though

[potent echo]

Did the hotfix actually fix any psyker things

[lethal lagoon]

No

[fading iris]

the hot fix only fixed the patch notes

[hot zephyr]

Quite hard to get all 5 nodes tho. Most builds seem to only get 3-4

[fading iris]

the hotfix fr fr is yet to come

[potent echo]

💀

[spice veldt]

yeah it takes a real crackhead build to go for the 5th toughness node

[lethal lagoon]

The updated notes at least made it clear they didn't intend to nuke the surge staff

[floral kayak]

Yeah, I'm noticing most of my toughness coming from perks related to using and quelling peril rather than actual regen

[potent echo]

Did catfish say this or

[spice veldt]

since you have to put points into both the warp charge and disrupt destiny branch

[lethal lagoon]

But that 200 toughness, hnng.

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75 Thiccsushi replied

[potent echo]

Oh nice so it was a cosmetic change

[clear heath]

i'm surprised they made a hotfix for 1 crash and 1 non-gamebreaking talent bug

[potent echo]

Supposed to be*

[fading iris]

was a cosmetic change that decided to turn into a damage change... because reasons

the machine spirit went crazy

[clear heath]

i guess the crash must've been really common

[kind knot]

what say you psykers, how good is this staff

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yay, they confirmed it to a hotfix

[fading iris]

the link I sent is for that

[potent echo]

I've had one gamepass guy crash nonstop before the patch

So perhaps

[spice veldt]

ooh ET fix next hotfix

[lethal lagoon]

groaners -> to crit or flak. Barrage to flurry. Great staff.

[spice veldt]

now that'll be nice

[robust sierra]

is flurry 4 worth 2900 melkbux?

[potent echo]

New confirmed kill is kinda mid

[potent echo]

Yesn't

[fading iris]

I mean, is cool, more grimdark is always cool

but that is for effects, not more grimdark for the builds

[potent echo]

Immersive grimdark

You feel depressed while playing

[plain rune]

tbh this is usable staff

burn is high and thats all that matters

[robust sierra]

[potent echo]

I'll always collect all the tier 4 stickers because one day we might get a new mark

[robust sierra]

prob not gonna use if I buy it, I'll earn the blessing

[plain rune]

but also if you have better one missing flurry just do it

[robust sierra]

I have nothing

I just don't know if it's worth 2900 to harvest

[potent echo]

Then get it for sure

[plain rune]

oh wow

memory leak crash

crazy

[robust sierra]

I don't play psyker too much

[plain rune]

actual melk curse

[robust sierra]

price is worth the harvest?

[potent echo]

I have 50k melk bucks so I say yes

Depends on how much milk you have left

[clear heath]

i would do it, but i also do weeklies on 2-4 characters a week so i don't care as much for melk coins

[robust sierra]

6200 without counting the 4k I'll get from my contracts

[clear heath]

i had 30k until the great curio purchase spam

and now i'm down to 8k

[potent echo]

Just know that each T4 blessings costs anywhere between 1k to 100k plasteel

[static needle]

Whats the chance for any given enemy to be marked by disrupt destiny?

[potent echo]

It just picks whatever from your fov

[clear heath]

try rolling for perfect curios and suffer as i have

[potent echo]

So if you look away it will switch to whatever you are seeing

[potent echo]

Nahhh

I just wait for brunt

[clear heath]

cringe

[potent echo]

Level 300 psyker I got 3x 17% and 1x 21%

[static needle]

and it does this every second? does it mark new enemies all the time?