psyker-class

[broken pollen]

Yeah but for how long. You think when they’re done nerfing every other staff into oblivion they won’t be like “hmm trauma seems a lil too strong now”

[lyric burrow]

Honestly the crusher damage hurts me the most

Its like 12 charges

[broken pollen]

Don’t mind me too much i’m just malding

[bright ether]

that's meaning limbs and heads are going to be taking damage

meaning random hitspots instead of just torso

[slow raven]

so that when you kill something wtih surge it isn't always the same head pop and will have some variance

[obtuse moth]

thats an awfully pessimistic take, theyve basically been constantly buffing psyker for close to a year

[olive ember]

look if you hit a crusher for 300 damage it'll only take you 10 charges to kill it

kekw

[prime elk]

Sounded to me they’re doubling down on it by making sure the animations are synced to the limb gacha

[slow raven]

yeah but that's probably just the implementation, i seirously doubt they meant to nerf surge by that much

[sturdy dagger]

amazing

burn everything

[slow raven]

it would make zero sense

[lyric burrow]

I dont understand what they want surge to be vs void lol

[broken pollen]

It absolutely is pessimism, but when the surge staff gets gutted like this i’m bound to whinge

[obtuse moth]

purg does fine on damnation, i like it a lot

[fading iris]

Best part... is that the phrase is confusing because of the first part "Surge staff on-kill gore effects are no longer always triggered when killing an enemy - now also limbs and heads may be dismembered instead of the whole torso" Okay... so the target supposed to be cosmetic only and got botched or you made it confusing because the hotfix list maybe was rushed?

[broken pollen]

Again don’t pay me too much mind i’m really salty

[obtuse moth]

only thing i dont like is that they nerfed crusher cc on purgatus, as in completely stealth removed the stagger from the LMB on crushers

[olive ember]

all the staves are fine except surge

because they decided to randomly make surge do half damage lmao

[broken pollen]

Not half

Bro if it was half rhat’d be fine

[sturdy dagger]

its 50% less so

[broken pollen]

It’s doing way less than that

[bright ether]

it's a 75% to do half

[broken pollen]

Is it not 20% damage on limbs

Or did i misread

I may have misread

[sturdy dagger]

50% reduced ranged dmg on limbs

[broken pollen]

Ah

[lyric burrow]

I want void and surge to swap carapace properties tbh

[broken pollen]

Nvm then

[novel stratus]

voidstrike 2 shotting crushers is all I needed to see

[bright ether]

IDK EVERYTHING KARKED

[olive ember]

I mean I think base surge is bad anyways, EP bug and perilous combustion was the only thing making it good

[stone narwhal]

Yeah, it's a huge hit. Assuming the 4 limbs, 1 head, and 1 torso have equal hit chance, the Surge Staff is now "usually" doing half damage. This is so bad for anyone who enjoys the staff because they think it's fun or cool.

[slow raven]

simple answer is that one of the artists wanted to make surge kills look more interesting, and since there's already logic for making limbs get dismembered when the killing blow is made to a limb, a programmer changed surge to randomly target different body parts as an easy way to implement the feature. only they failed to pay attention to the damage and made the change bigger than intended, since modern game developers are too good for QA apparentlly

[olive ember]

but this funny rng limb damage is just

hilarious

[bright ether]

it wasnt just "fun or cool" it had pretty good CC with amazing surge damage

now it sucks

[sturdy dagger]

yeah but it was usable if u liked the staff

[lyric burrow]

Not one shotting trappers is like

[sturdy dagger]

now its a joke

[lyric burrow]

Really sad

[olive ember]

oh yeah now surge is borderline unviable imo

I mean you could make it work but there are just flat out upgrades

[bright ether]

its only good in low levels lol

[broken pollen]

That was a bug

[obtuse moth]

0.75*0.5+ 0.25*1.00 = 0.625 or 62.5% damage or a 36.5% nerf isn't it?

[bright ether]

anything above malice is kinda

[lyric burrow]

Ive completed histg with it but it was kind of the illisi/assail run

[potent echo]

implied its cosmetic only

[olive ember]

all ik is that its noticeable

like 6 charge crusher kills

[bright ether]

I was one shotting trappers w/ warp charges build and surge

[olive ember]

also is it rng chance?

someone told me it was based on closest limb

[broken pollen]

If I remember correctly empowered psi applying to staff was the only reason you could do that

[olive ember]

so its was actually just that you were more likely to hit the limbs than the chest or the head of an enemy

[sturdy dagger]

i really fucks me up 2 think about this cause like, surely they tested it 2 see if the cosmetic effect worked right? but no one involved in this changed notice it randomly doing 0 fucking damage?

[obtuse moth]

im saying math wise thats very significantly less than a 50% nerf

[bright ether]

why would the limbs and heads explode? Oh because they are taking damage 5head

[lyric burrow]

I one shot them rn with a body shot

[supple skiff]

FS testing? thats a laugh

[sturdy dagger]

bro my surge sometimes fails to one shot a fucking dreg shooter

[fading iris]

Looks a lot like that, I don't mind "bad" decisions made after testing and the executive decision to roll with it, what makes me dissapointed, not even mad, is when it looks that some of the testing needed was just... not done.

[olive ember]

nono i mean surge staff, its not an rng chance to hit a limb i thought. Someone said it was based on closest limb

[bright ether]

[supple skiff]

we payed them for the privilege to betatest

[sturdy dagger]

closest 2 u or closest 2 crosshair?

[olive ember]

cloest 2 u

[sturdy dagger]

oof

[lyric burrow]

Oh so i can't even aim it

[olive ember]

atleast thats what someone said and they had a clip of trying to hit crusher weakspot and basically face hugging the crusher

[broken pollen]

Before patch 13 was that not always the case, though? Did you not have to two shot them with the staff?

[bright ether]

that can't be right because i've hit enemies farther from me while i've had a guy 4m infront of me swinging

[lyric burrow]

Pre patch 13 it didn't do damage cause it was cc

[stone narwhal]

Sure, mathmatically, but in practical turns RNG can just as likely screw you over and hit limbs ten times in row.

[lyric burrow]

Basically smite

[sturdy dagger]

bro pre 13 surge was current smite

[broken pollen]

I see

[slow raven]

i bet they tested it for like 2 minutes in psykanium and didnt pay attention to the damage, product owner took a look at the video and saw the expected animation, and it was committed to the codebase and no one ever looked at surge damage again

[broken pollen]

OK I might’ve gotten shit wrong. Did you try it without empowered psi

[obtuse moth]

smite with a target cap of 6, no channel, no autoquell so you could blow up and high peril gen

[sturdy dagger]

crazy part is like

why?

who asked for this

[bright ether]

even w/o EP surge was GOOD

[sturdy dagger]

sometimes my surge doesnt gib now? thats boring

[broken pollen]

I did not know that

[stone narwhal]

Definitely not me, I loved the constant bursts of purple psychic energy. I hate what we've got now, it's so boring by comparison.

[eager mantle]

Got a 378 white laspistol. First thing hadron gives me is reload speed

[broken pollen]

So if they fix it and we’re not just seriously coping that this is some strange mistake regarding the damage, it will be good again, right?

[fading iris]

The idea is even a good indicator for ppl that doesn't use mods "oh, his head popped, I hit there", but then you left in a way that well... will not trigger the cool gore effects because doesn't have the damage as a opener, when I finish my surge staff current attack queue, last thing I want to see is a cool effect, I just want to see the targed dead so I can move on

[bright ether]

just saying because everyone goes with EP for the bug; but i've been running WC for the penance gib and i was pulling really well in high tier maps

[sturdy dagger]

decent

it was usable without EP bug but still the worst staff

[bright ether]

i literally don't see why it wouldn't do well if they just rerolled the fix. It wasn't top tier but you were actually able to contribute more than just CC'ing 2 people

[olive ember]

pre 13 surge was before the class rework surge, so the stun stick

[sturdy dagger]

sure i just still think it needs a buff

[stone narwhal]

Pretty much, most of the people using Surge are (and were) using it purely because they think it is fun or cool. Not because it is "good." The other staves are objectively (much) better.

[broken pollen]

I mean, yeah, the break points were there, even if they were a little bit tedious to get to without empowered psi

[slow raven]

as much as we joke about the dumb decisions they make, i seriously doubt they intended to nerf surge by, what was it like 50%?

[fading iris]

Surge was nice even without the EP bug and the warp rider always buff, the inconsistence is the part that sucks now

[bright ether]

Yeah it sure is fun and cool topping scoreboard w/ surge staff on heresy and damnation

[sturdy dagger]

can my allies see enemies marked by DD?

[obtuse moth]

Helly-8225716195: who asked for this
probably people on lower difficulties where surge was deleting everything, also 'cool effects'

[bright ether]

not anymore tho

[tribal spade]

ait thanku 😄

[olive ember]

I mean at this point idek if thats considered copium

[broken pollen]

It’s probably still possible to do the same if they fix the thing

[olive ember]

like I remember when they fucking ruined infernus and soulblaze by nerfing their flak damage values because they wanted to nerf zealot flamer

[bright ether]

we'll see; for now i've moved to trauma

[broken pollen]

The funny thing is, it’s still not fully nerfed

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken pollen]

Sure it’s not where it was

But it’s still really strong

[olive ember]

I mean the flamer now is fine yeah

[obtuse moth]

they rebuffed soulblaze up 50% from its halving, so its 3/4s as strong as it was now

[olive ember]

but before it would just delete everything and instead of like nerfing the range, or the ammo, or the flamer itself

they went "haha lets nerf the GLOBAL BURN DOT VALUES"

and back then soulblaze dots used the same values as global burn dot

it was bad lmao, 6 stacks couldn't kill flak shooters iirc

[fading iris]

Fixing the problem at it's core

[olive ember]

just a reminder this entire thing was due to a specific gimmick of zealots chastise

which is that when you use chastise you get armor strip

[fading iris]

I see the pattern of not enough test and I don't like it.

[olive ember]

so crushers took damage as if they were wearing flak armor

it was a specific gimmick of a class specific ability paired with a class specific weapon

[broken pollen]

Which they didn’t change btw

[olive ember]

and instead of going "huh maybe making chastise grant free armor strip for 5 seconds for all ranged attack is stupid" or "huh flamer does damage, lets nerf its range and reload" or wte

yeah

chastise to this day still has armor strip

even after class rework

[broken pollen]

It ain’t going anywhere

[olive ember]

I mean its basically "intended" they said some shit in the patch notes a while back implying it was intended

[olive ember]

which is just so fucking dumb why do zealots, the melee class have armor strip on ranged attack

[supple skiff]

lots of sub 30's in damnation lately

[broken pollen]

Funny enough with crit shredder builds and going up against damnation crowds makes u able to keep up chastise so often

[obtuse moth]

does it still do that? havent used chastise in a hot minute

[olive ember]

well its better now I guess with the class rework since its no longer you know "one class = one role"

[broken pollen]

Yep, did a HISTG carnival run yesterday and kept spamming chastise

Crushers were spaghetti

[olive ember]

yes but heres the jank interaction

chastise gets consumed on melee hit

so what this means is that if you use chastise for melee, its for one attack only

but if you use chastise for ranged

well congrats you have 5 full seconds until chastise runs out

[obtuse moth]

ye

[broken pollen]

That’s why u get two and by the time u used up the second one u get enough crits to regen both

For melee

[olive ember]

lmao crit CDR

[broken pollen]

It’s so fun

There are WAYYYY better builds

But it’s fun

[olive ember]

I should run a crit CDR build but eh

[obtuse moth]

or you just murder everything you see with ranged

[olive ember]

I just run martyrdom

but yeah the interaction itself is jank, because the ability at face value is a charge which empowers your next melee attack to do big damage

[broken pollen]

I keep a bolter for “ohfuckohfuck” situations so it’s harder to do that with the game’s hitreg and only 15 bullets

[obtuse moth]

way easier to go through a pack of crushers or maulers/ragers with ranged chastise than it is with melee

[broken pollen]

Oh yeah def

[olive ember]

but theres also this jank interaction to just not melee and just spray into enemies, except you still do the charge

so you are actively running into the enemy with your gun out which just

idk

it feels jank

[broken pollen]

But it’s more fun to be like full blood for the blood god as u spam chastise u get from critting on the walkers right next to u

[olive ember]

i have no fucking clue why this affect is intended

anyways what I'm basically saying is, zealot is broken so my meta chasing ass no longer plays psyker

goodbye

[broken pollen]

Vet got fucked but i can still do my LMG shout build

So i’m fine with it

[olive ember]

eh Vet is fine

besides point bloat

but the abilities themselves imo are fine

[prime elk]

i mean that is THE issue

besides the marksman keystone being stupid

[fading iris]

psyker class best chat

[olive ember]

marksman is fine?

[prime elk]

it's just antithetical to the game's design, but sure from a purely damage perspective it's fine

[olive ember]

its really easy to gain stacks, stacks only decay one at a time when you move, you get 3 seconds of free movement whenever you get a weakspot kill

[prime elk]

bro an entire 3 seconds of free movement

thanks, i'll try not spend it all at once

[olive ember]

i mean its 3 seconds of free movement per weakspot kill

[broken pollen]

This made my day thank u for the joke

[olive ember]

and 3 stacks per weakspot kill, and they decay one at a time

[broken pollen]

[olive ember]

like you should be at 10+ stacks for the majority of combat

[prime elk]

imagine treating movement like a currency in a game where movement is king

but you do you, if you like it, great

[olive ember]

I mean... its not currency, you just move as usual

[prime elk]

it's not my playstyle

[broken pollen]

KNIFE ZEALOT MAIN IDENTIFIED???

jk

[fading iris]

Did somebody said movement?!

[fluid knot]

Bruh... you realise you gain stacks on headshots regardless of if you're moving or stood still right?

If you're a good shot you play no different to how you would if you didnt have it, just run about beaming dudes in the head, max stacks all the time

Its bascially free

[prime elk]

yeah, besides the 21 nodes you need to take to get there

[obtuse moth]

goalpost

[prime elk]

meanwhile middle keystone with 100% uptime

[prime elk]

literally my original point

[fluid knot]

Marksmans is 100% uptime

If you're not shit anyway

[olive ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1DQSqm00SrivAW/d1337Pe43wMX?invite=cr-MSxiVm0sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1DQE78EafqeRte/d1337kkYzscu?invite=cr-MSxHYlYsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

isnt me btw, thank crab for free clips

[obtuse moth]

blink getting to each keystone costs the same minus the path you take to get there

[olive ember]

marksman itself is fine, but the keystone bloat hurts

[prime elk]

that's a general criticism of the vet tree, which you would know if you had bothered reading before saying anything

[fluid knot]

Its almost like its really strong and people either cant read or dont try things themselves...

almost

[sturdy dagger]

maybe its just a lasgun thing but from the short testing i did this keystone didnt really change any breakpoints

[fading iris]

Cool, now let us see Paul's stacks while in mission

[fluid knot]

Agri' shotgun with Marksman's reaches one shot breakpoints on everything except Crusher + Mauler

[fading iris]

and I make that joke, because when I'm playing on my vet, I move like the double or triple that on the revy video

[obtuse moth]

i read this

Sirosky: yeah, besides the 21 nodes you need to take to get there
Sirosky: meanwhile middle keystone with 100% uptime
seems weird to me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime elk]

scroll up

[broken pollen]

Crab is a literal god

[olive ember]

I mean vet tree having bloat is a common criticism pretty much everyone agrees on

[plucky flax]

Just give back pre 13 tree.

Sustain fire bolter.

[olive ember]

like vet tree having 20 more nodes and still having the same 30 points is bloat

but

[fluid knot]

Nah, literally you're trying to cover up that you either didnt read/didnt even try the Marksman keystone. It has no bearing on if you move or not, its literally irrelevant unless you cant aim

[olive ember]

the ability themself are fine is what I'm arguing

rather than what the vets sound like which is "wow all these abilities suck, vet is literally unplayable"

[spice oar]

they made electricity so fucking bad. smite explosion isnt guaranteed and surge is ass now

[fading iris]

So guys... Surge staff

[olive ember]

if you hit a limb it does 50% damage

yeah

[obtuse moth]

god the sodium level is so high in here, anyone want a gallon of water

[rugged halo]

you got that right

[fading iris]

Change Smite animation to use both hands to shoot lighting and I`ll play it

[prime elk]

yeah, except my original main point is about the talent cost to get to keystones. which you would know if you had bothered scrolling up a few lines and reading.

[olive ember]

i mean the stacks mainly increase crit/weakspot damage, which im psure the lasguns aren't good at those two things

[prime elk]

just because you take the tunnel vision skill in-game doesn't mean you have to do it IRL

[sturdy dagger]

wait fr? i thought the entire deal with infatry lasgun was headhunter remove brains

like a worse revolver

[fluid knot]

Nah, you then started talking about restricting movement being against the game mechanics, everyone agrees the tree has bloat, but trying to bitch about the efficacy of the keystones just makes you look stupid when they're at least as strong as all the others, often better if you can leverage them

[broken pollen]

Aren’t there like nicer ways of conversing

[leaden thunder]

depends on the lasgun

[broken pollen]

Like is it possible to reduce the amount of ass u inject into interacting with ppl

[olive ember]

I could be wrong but the stuff that benefits the most are probably autoguns, laspistols, revolver, etc.

[leaden thunder]

makes the faster firing ones able to 1 shot headshot significantly eaiser

[spice oar]

im not even that mad about surge. but i adored smites visual effects and now its tesla gib blast that is to me what the garand ping is to gun nuts only happens 1/20 of the time. thats like the garand only doing the ping once every 20 reloads. who wouldve cared for that gun then?

[sturdy dagger]

i still cant decide between the Ia lasgun or whatever the super slow heavy hitting one is called

both fun

[obtuse moth]

helbore?

[olive ember]

I haven't been the same since they nerfed my recon las

[obtuse moth]

or are you still talking infantry but a variant

[olive ember]

thats the real reason why vet is a dead class

[prime elk]

yeah, and it's still stupid in a game as movement-heavy as this. you're not going to be constantly refreshing stacks like in the psykanium "gameplay"

[sturdy dagger]

infantry

[fading iris]

Yes... Two people enter! One person comes out! WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

[eager mantle]

Imo the dmg difference between the 1a and XII is not enough for me to disregard the 1a's fire rate

[sturdy dagger]

i mean u defo are but okay

[fluid knot]

Yes.. you are... just be able to aim at heads. Gunplay in this game is trivially easy, if you're struggling to keep up stacks, thats on you, not the skill

[sturdy dagger]

blud plays tier 1 or something there arent enough enemies for him 2 stack it

[prime elk]

you're going to be using a gun on hordes? aight

[sturdy dagger]

thats kinda what im leaning towards rn

[prime elk]

i think that tells me all i needed to know

[fluid knot]

Bruh... if you're meleeing a horde, why do you even need the stacks at that point?

[sturdy dagger]

?

[stuck bridge]

owari da

[fluid knot]

Literally the worst strawman possible to try cover up your skill issue

[rugged halo]

smite hasnt changed that much but they really fucked up surge staffs.

[sturdy dagger]

grasping at straws Olympic sport

[broken pollen]

I think your point still stands when you’re going up against elites

[prime elk]

the real skill issue is being unable to differentiate between ideal circumstances where the skill works well, and reality where you'll constantly be swapping your approach to dealing with the AI director

[olive ember]

I mean if you look at the clip the guys at max stacks 4 seconds

[fluid knot]

If it has a gun, or needs shooting, aim for the head > instant profit

Simples

[broken pollen]

I don’t shoot into crowds, unless there’s groups of elites

[leaden thunder]

feels worse then it actually is

[prime elk]

but it's clearly this convo is going to go anywhere https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/874040793743130674.webp?size=48&name=CE_Shrug&quality=lossless

[obtuse moth]

theres always a shooter to shoot or elite or specialist when its time to fight

[spice oar]

ik ik but i am incomparably pissed about the gib blast being downgraded on smite. Like, What the fuck

[eager mantle]

Been playing with the keystone. If you're in the mindset of trying to min max your stacks at all time, kinda unnecessary worry. There are plenty of moments in a mission which you can be still or crouching. Just like Vets have moments to make use of their talents that require no enemies in a certain radius and distance from them

[fading iris]

[static needle]

Which talent if i can only take 1?

[eager mantle]

Chain.

[obtuse moth]

the jumping enemies if you're going to channel it for any appreciable length of time imo

[sturdy dagger]

well yeah cause ur desperately grasping at straws 2 try and build a non-existant point, just give it up man

[obtuse moth]

its actually WAY more enemies

[fluid knot]

Mate... its literally up all the time, so its not at max stacks 24/7, which would be broken as fuck, its still ludicrously easy to keep up 90% of the time, should you just be able to aim

[obtuse moth]

because each jump spreads

[fluid knot]

Its not hard, recoil in this game isnt really difficult to control, in fact, its fallout 4 levels of easy

[obtuse moth]

so the last jump spreads out the most

[fading iris]

Psyker-class chat btw

[olive ember]

I mean all the vet keystones are fine iirc, the global 100% uptime ping keystone is also really strong

[obtuse moth]

yeah i want more complaining about surge and assail

[olive ember]

but so is focus stacks

the one on the right is also good iirc but I'm the least familiar with that

[fading iris]

I mean, I know that gun psyker is a thing, but they don't get the vet keytones

[glossy ember]

vet threads: 19389201 upvotes
surge staff threads: 2.5 upvotes

[fading iris]

Just one shot everything with a revolver, done.

[glossy ember]

[fluid knot]

Really strong actually, with the right setup you have basically 100% crit chance if WS is active

[eager mantle]

Our incomparable minds can handle it

[olive ember]

all I know is that the right keystone for vet has funny interactions with revolver where killing one enemy in melee with the refill mag modifier thing also gives one bullet back in the mag for revolver

[limber tartan]

That is soo good

[fading iris]

@obtuse moth I start doing a joke, end up as Noise Marine

[obtuse moth]

does the 33% crit chance thing work? i wasn't getting 100% crit chance in the psykhanium

[limber tartan]

If that shit worked for psyker i would run revolver instead of laspistol 100% of the time

[sturdy dagger]

i assumed it was typo and is actually 3%?

[obtuse moth]

its a mic drop lol

[eager mantle]

Only buff I want for the tag keystone is for the first stack to be a larger base. Tagging multiple back to back for 4% is just funny

[obtuse moth]

thats what i'm assuming yea haha

[fading iris]

look how I typed keystones

[leaden thunder]

only works on one shot as far as I heard

[plucky flax]

Take the damage increase thingy for the whole party.

[leaden thunder]

so you can get 100% crit for a swap and shoot or smth

[plucky flax]

At 8 stacks it's almost permanent 12% damage increased.

[obtuse moth]

lmao didnt catch that

[eager mantle]

33% crit on your weapons crit chance. Not a flat crit chance

[fading iris]

and I'm rolling with it! Will not edit it, lesgooooooooo wub wub

[obtuse moth]

on its base or total? because 10 stacks is an extra 330%

[eager mantle]

Yea 8 stacks. If you tag back to back 4% dmg amp and 1.5% dmg for team off 1 stack is still funny

[fading iris]

I roll with the +dmg on elites aura

mostly because my combat cooldown is pretty fast, so get rekt team, take the damage and don't ree about

[eager mantle]

Your weapons crit chance. Say your weapon crit chance is 10%. 330% of 10% is +40%

[obtuse moth]

yeah, but is that the base or including perks? does it include blessings that dynamically change crit chance?

[eager mantle]

How should I know with how many bugs with interactions the game has. All I know is that you're not getting permacrits

[fading iris]

Darktide has zero bugs, It's all Chaos tricking your minds, be strong siblings

[quasi junco]

does force push attack on any blaze sword knock a rager out mid combo?

[leaden thunder]

might with sluaght stacks, or some sort of power boost

I don't think it does on it's own tho

[eager mantle]

Maybe the dueling sword special can

[sullen tendon]

I like my bubble shield ability but am getting a little bored of running the staves, is gun psyker with bubble shield viable or does gun psyker NEED gaze?

[fresh reef]

I love joining into a losing game at half hp because fuck me I guess

[safe crystal]

Yes, without any buffs, all of them do

[eager mantle]

You can use bubble, just won't shine with dmg or making the most out the ammo you do pick up

[visual adder]

Psykers hear me

Peepee poopoo

That’s all

[zealous otter]

GUYS i need everyone to type in all caps JOIN HERETIC so I can convince my gf to get into Warhammer

[misty cypress]

JOIN HERETIC

[eager mantle]

You'll do fine in games, people want to talk min-maxing and builds when at the end of the day damnation isn't impossible and it's a PvE horde shooter.

[misty cypress]

youll get more response in general chat

[urban jungle]

JOIN HERETIC

[primal aurora]

Too bad Gaze isn't really fun, except maybe for playing sonic speed running dueling sword ninja.

[fading iris]

One time I joined a game where the bot I took the place was 1 HP in the middle of a horde, I just accepted my fate and let the Emperor's light guide me

[visual adder]

JOIN HERETIC

[limber tartan]

I have joined a game with no ammo

[eager mantle]

I'm still forgetting to pop gaze when I can

[visual adder]

Skill issue

[sullen tendon]

I just want something a bit different I guess, What are some reccomendations for a gun to use for psyker anyway? I got a MG IV ILG with infernus 3 and headhunter for rapid burn stacks but am unsure if that's a good pick

[fading iris]

Jo̯ͭ̾in̪͝͡ ̜Ḣ̩̋e̝͊͟r̽ͮ̋ḛ̢ͅ҉t̑ic

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver, vraks 7, maybe recon 7a, agri IAG

MG12 too

Much better lasgun

MG4 was downright depressing when I used it ages ago, but maybe it's not shit after the gazillion patches

[eager mantle]

Revolver, Laspistol, Columnus IAG are nice.

[plucky flax]

Bruh the inspect players make me sad. People bring the goofiest shits to maelstrom.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, laspistol

[ornate hamlet]

The funny force push with massive range

[sullen tendon]

I do got a Recon 7a with Dumdum already on it, unsure what to do with my two changes

[eager mantle]

I like using it on my vet. Pretty good now. Just not using it as much atm because of its blessings

[ornate hamlet]

Yo, nexus and crit

[eager mantle]

Dumdum and internus is always a good combo

[ornate hamlet]

Speedload to headhunter and sprint to maniac I says

Infernus also works, but I don't like DoTs

[sullen tendon]

I'll for sure swap sprint to maniac since that's a nobrainer, but I'll give both Headhunter and Infernus a try and see how I like them, thanks for the input both you you

[crude cape]

How do other experienced psykers here feel about 1x stamina curio, 2x toughness (instead of 3x toughness I used to run). Stamina is kinda meta now?
I know the big psyker guide people link reccomends it, tried it last night and it felt alright.

thoughts on curio blessings rn overall?

im just torn

[ornate hamlet]

I don't use stamina because of kinetic deflection and the regen delay

My curio perks are toughness, stamina/block/revive and cooldown

Since I run scrier

Infinite pushing with the regen delay is fun

[eager mantle]

I've been running 2 3x stamina and 1 wound on all my stuff lately

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[spice oar]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/bring-back-surge-and-smites-explosion/87203 siblings please

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly true

[spark parcel]

idc about the explodes (that's a lie i do), but does it still target random body parts?

[spice oar]

yes

[spark parcel]

what, why

[ornate hamlet]

Though I like them not being too present

[spice oar]

idk

[ornate hamlet]

I think what could be done is make full charge explode and lower not

[spice oar]

im fine with them being off surge, but get them back on smite

[ornate hamlet]

Gives it intensity

[turbid hemlock]

i loved it on both, plus the visual feedback of the pop was super handy

[subtle yew]

surge literally useless now tbh

[ornate hamlet]

No

Nerd

[subtle yew]

with the random body part targeting youre basically rolling a dice everytime you shoot

[spice oar]

they ruined out lightning gameplay wise and graphics wise

[subtle yew]

literally no reason to use it rather than void

[spark parcel]

I still run it in aurics, but it feels so bad to crit a crusher for like 600 with it

[ornate hamlet]

Surge still has a goated charge speed and CC

Incredibly high value on the few targets it does hit

[subtle yew]

it does but then you crit a mob's arm and take off 1/6th of their health lol

[spice oar]

ALL THE OTHER STAFFS HAVE CC, ALL OF THEM

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, that need some flextape

[spark parcel]

full charge blast, feels bad

[subtle yew]

i still think it must be a bug.

[ornate hamlet]

Well, I don't know other staves that stop mutant charges

[spark parcel]

a single surge blast doesn't always stop a mutant

[ornate hamlet]

And that charge that fast by base

[subtle yew]

they needed to get rid of the smite bug

fair enough. with EP giving guaranteed double damage it was ridiculous

[feral seal]

Surge was only op with the EP bug, without it surge was just a really good staff but not ahead of void

[subtle yew]

but then having it target limbs, it's now useless

[feral seal]

No reason to nerf it like they did

[ornate hamlet]

Surge staves got the Tom Cruise Collateral triple tap

[crude cape]

is this new with the change this patch, did it do this last patch too? it didn't feel like it

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly, I still mald about surge not having surge

[crude cape]

or was the +125% dmg bonus just making it not noticeable it was targeting limbs last patch

[subtle yew]

its a new change with the traitor curse main patch

[crude cape]

ah rip

ya it feels awful

[spark parcel]

the EP bug was ridiculous, but for my support/cc build i ran Warp Charges, it still 'works' on every difficulty level but ifl i'd be better off with Trauma or Voidstrike

[crude cape]

i tested it in meat grinder and was like...nuh uh

[silk hawk]

not like its something that even worth consideration, for me its even annoying...

[subtle yew]

it's honestly not usable

[crude cape]

went back to my trauma

[fading iris]

last patch was a hot fix for the patch notes before, stuff that was left out for some reason from the patch notes but went live.

[ornate hamlet]

It's annoying when used poorly, like any CC that radically changes movement

[subtle yew]

the main thing it had going for it was high single target damage with stun and the fast charge. it was comfy to use. it's just sad now

void does the same thing but you can aim it so get headshots/guarantee youll hit the chest at least

im still convinced it's a bug

[ornate hamlet]

Void bowling is joyful

[subtle yew]

as in they wanted the gibbing effect on limbs, but accidentally coded it to hit limbs rather than just change the animation

[fading iris]

just gib me Frost Staff

[subtle yew]

just like the EP bug last patch...

[sturdy dagger]

from god hood 2 unusable

[subtle yew]

literally

[silk hawk]

ye, but with ep bug it was funny and memes and with what we have now its just miserable to play it...

[ornate hamlet]

Indeed, psyker buddy

[spark parcel]

i just want to zap people with lightning, siblings

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not your sibling, relative

[subtle yew]

heretics aint people

[spark parcel]

I'm not your relative, family

[fading iris]

We can only hope that Jimmy went to the office, saw the limb damage problem and is now doing something

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not your family, cos

[spice oar]

Jimmy has been executed by big shark

[ornate hamlet]

No

[fading iris]

Jimmy is always creating coding problems, dangit Jimmy

[ornate hamlet]

Jimothy

[silk hawk]

FatsharkCatfish
Community Manager

raulikien
3m
This hotfix was pushed out as a priority due to it addressing the crash.

Fixes for the surge staff and exhilarating takedown will be in the next hotfix which is currently being processed!

[mighty olive]

I can't find a build I like with psyker atm >_<

[spice oar]

so do I, sibling , with explosions

[silk hawk]

we are not doomed entirely

[fading iris]

Jimothy Chalamet

[mighty olive]

I hope that fix is before the weekend, I'd like to enjoy my class again

[spark parcel]

I prefer explosions too, sibling, but I will accept heretics simply falling to the floor convulsing in agony if it means that I don't zap a mauler's arm for 300 anymore

[silk hawk]

u can still do it, but without surge xD

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like enjoying things, I want it broken so I have something to talk about

[spice oar]

we had both before we dont have to settle for that lmao

[fading iris]

++ GOD EMPEROR BE PRAISED ++ (but please, next time, take a little more time, even if is an priority)

A priority rush is a future bug to have priority too, we don't need an Priority Oroborus

[mighty olive]

Assail feels blarg to me as well lol I think I was just spoiled

[silk hawk]

assail actually is a good pair to surge...

[spark parcel]

What build did you enjoy?

[spice oar]

surge staff, and smite? right? im assuming cause everything affecting smite seems to affect surge as well

[hexed dragon]

Assail is still plenty strong with EP

[subtle yew]

assail has gone from absolutely insanely broken to fine haha

[fading iris]

Probably, they are pratically the same code

[subtle yew]

it was stupid though. literally no point playing with an assail psyker cos everything immediately died

[silk hawk]

its what she said, she didnt specify what is gona be in next hotfix exactly )

[plain rune]

psyker is best worst class now

[fading iris]

I legit learn how to play calm assail because of that type of thing... and because is nicer for the shard cooldown lol

[mighty olive]

I like assail with void, haven't tried with surge, I think I just need to get used to saving more charges rather than assail spam, like I said...spoiled xD

[crimson remnant]

is surge fixed?

[spark parcel]

y'know, fixing surge targetting body parts, but removing the explosion fx, does kind of seem like a monkey paw wish now that i think about it

[spark parcel]

not yet

[mighty olive]

Not yet

[crimson remnant]

damn 😦

[silk hawk]

with surge u just use it as horde clear in between your melee, or if u need to wipe out a squad of shotgunners or gunners very fast

[fading iris]

BTW here the link for when more siblings appear screaming about the surge staff, just yeet this at them https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75

is the link for the response that was copied

[vale nacelle]

Assail still clears hordes of anything non-carapace, so it’s pretty goog.

[iron flame]

Soo Surge build is still safe? Just came back from 5 day break

[subtle yew]

right this moment? no

it's unplayable

hits limbs most of the time so you do minimal damage

it's being fixed next patch

[rare arrow]

Can’t go wrong with assail or smite. My bet performing is rapier/assail/void staff.

[iron flame]

Ohh rip. It was op earlier and didn't see any patch note changing it so I thought it is still OK

[spark parcel]

I wouldn't call it unplayable, but I think you'd be better off using any other staff besides surge right now

[eager mantle]

Join us sibling in Las and lead

[quasi junco]

Lol Gunkers are literal heresy

[rare arrow]

I mean, I’d say it’s unplayable. In the sense that it’s worse than several guns at this point, on non-gunker builds

[idle bay]

Wish me a Brick , siblings!

[subtle yew]

when it takes 9s and almost a full peril bar to kill a crusher it isn't really viable lol

[eager mantle]

Our purple warp crayons are delicious

[fading iris]

🧱

[iron flame]

Hmm I have a voidstrike build but eh ...

[rare arrow]

Right? You can 4 shot that same enemy with a rapier.

[spark parcel]

Fair enough, I won't argue the point because we all agree that it's in a sorry state right now

[quasi junco]

I already dislike vet on damnation for the ammo economy, no way I'd play a gunker for the same reason

[idle bay]

Thank you 🙂 Now time to visit Hardon.. Hadron

[iron flame]

For auric heresy dweller, what blitz I should go with Voidstrike?

[quasi junco]

I like my trauma staff, they stay on the ground until dead

[iron flame]

I had been using surge before the changes but now ... dunno

[rare arrow]

I mean that’s fine too, but rapier is fast enough you just side step an attack and poke them to death

[eager mantle]

My ammo economy is amazing on my gunpsyker w/ laspistol

[rare arrow]

On aurich Damnation missions I’m doing 600-800k of the damage throughout the game with rapier/assail/voids, and the build feels very good

Smites super strong too

[quasi junco]

When there is 1 crusher there is usually 4 more. No way would I try and dance with a dueling sword with all that and a horde just behind them

[rare arrow]

Though I almost never take brain burst

[eager mantle]

I do. It's fun

[subtle yew]

how much you actually using the void? is it standing behind teammates lobbing bombs basically?

[celest hedge]

I haven’t used the rapier since the new force swords came out but I think it’d be better for my smite build. What’s the difference between them again? All i remember is I think one having the defense stat instead of a cleave one

[eager mantle]

It's fun being like a bull fighter against the mutant waves 1 shot stabbing them in the face as they charge

[quasi junco]

Oh look a trapper! Net goes flying thru 50 poxwalkers and crushers to get you

[rare arrow]

Nope, assail and void staff give you horse control on a line or ina. Group. Void staff if they are lined up or to kill ragers/flamers/bombers hiding in hordes

Assail if you just need a group of spread out enemies dead

[iron flame]

Hmm yea, I want a staff heavy build but eh ... not sure if that is still viable since surge staff is dead atm

[rare arrow]

There are tons of maps you can just line up an entire enemy wave and put a void staff or two into them

[spark parcel]

the mark V dueling sword is the one with the defense stat. I like the mobility, but the heavy attacks are strikedowns instead of thrust

[subtle yew]

so general damage youre using rapier then basically

and assail obvs.

[rare arrow]

Nope rotating between staff and assail

[fading iris]

Since is Hadron, here, take this Brick(Cyberpunk 2077 character blessed by the Omnissiah) for even better brickness

[quasi junco]

Now do Dumdum

[rare arrow]

Rapier to one deal with muties, navigate melee combat, kill crushers and maulers, etc.

[rare arrow]

Fun fact, Duelist sword mk 4 special action breaks ragers attack combo

[quasi junco]

I still like my Illisi with deflector sad gunner noises

[rare arrow]

So it trivializes a normally very threatening enemy

[rare arrow]

I run bubble shield, skills too good

[celest hedge]

I generally only take out my melee as psyker for mobility but I found using my melee for trash instead of my surge staff was better for building EP stacks, I got so used to never using my melee as psyker

[quasi junco]

I would, but running a CF build with trauma and blazing spirit

[celest hedge]

And I don’t need the charge attack of the deimos since anything close range I would use it on, I would use smite or surge on instead, which is why I want to use rapier again on this build

[rare arrow]

Fair. I used venting to beat the all maulers and crushers mission modifier

[fading iris]

I use my duelist sword to poke big baddies

[subtle yew]

tried venting with soulblaze for that extra damage. bubble shield is just too good for teams though. there's so many gunners these days.

it trivalises the last carnival arena finale. it is so much harder without bubble because there's just a ridiculous amount of gunners

[iron flame]

Hmm soo no staff heavy builds i am guessing ?

[hexed dragon]

Still use VS plenty running assail/dome

[static needle]

Good roll?

[celest hedge]

If you want to focus on staff than go all left side, besides maybe right keystone and maybe cooldown aura

[stable silo]

trauma voidstrike are fairly staff heavy

assail runs great with EP

[ornate hamlet]

Mk5, small L

Good roll tho

[static needle]

Which perk should i change?

[stable silo]

nice staff

elite to flak

[static needle]

yee just got it

[leaden thunder]

elite to flak or smth

[static needle]

what really?

[stable silo]

flury to blazin like a man

yeah flak/maniac is top tier perks

[spark parcel]

higher difficulties throw maniacs at you non-stop, you want maniacs

[static needle]

already got it on another staff so when i use that im a man

[stable silo]

hah fair

yueah keep flurry then but stil lelite to flak

that way ur hitting all elite types for 25% extra dmg

[leaden thunder]

a good chunk of elites are already flak

[static needle]

ive heard arguments to use unarmored

[leaden thunder]

so it's just more damage vs most of them

[static needle]

cause many are unarmored in weakspot

[fading iris]

Run 'n' Gun like a

[static needle]

[leaden thunder]

if you hit the weakspot with it they are probably dead

anything that has unarmored health weakspots at least

[stable silo]

You could always run nexus/surge as well if ur heavy crit

[fading iris]

Run 'n' Gun + 3 of these

the spicy version

[primal plume]

https://x.com/HMBohemond/status/1725008610365714842?t=OgO0hP0l7rdeffxr9F26pQ&s=33

[fading iris]

classic psykers

[crimson remnant]

id use transfer peril instead of nexus... its so good, you shoot forever

[ornate hamlet]

Nexus and surge tbh

[small cargo]

which are the perks/blessings I want on my maccabian mk IV duelling sword?

[ornate hamlet]

Transfer peril and flurry is wacky too

Uncanny and shred for me

[small cargo]

mhmm

[idle bay]

Siblings i have a guilty pleasure to confess. This is Illsi i'm using... i know i know not much damage perks 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Based deflector 4

[heady garnet]

Tried out trauma with flurry and brittle 3, it felt kinda mid :/

[azure bridge]

i love deflector

[small cargo]

thanks!

[snow coral]

So hand cannon got fixed, was it applying to melee critical attacks or only ranged (assail)?

[proud hinge]

What should I change perks to?

[idle bay]

I can't remember when i got this trenchcoat

[azure bridge]

holy goodness

I want

[barren arch]

so, what's the jury on the Devil's Claw swords for brainy boys?

[idle bay]

Usable and might be fun if you are into parrying

[plucky flax]

Because its not blaze

[barren arch]

how does it fare vs the dueling swords?

[proud hinge]

what should i change the perks to?

[barren arch]

or even the Chainsword

[glossy ember]

stronk

[patent steeple]

btw, I have beat Carnival for the 1st time!

[glossy ember]

very big for hordes

[proud hinge]

please help me

[plucky flax]

I'd go flak maniac and call it a day.

[idle bay]

They serve different goals. Chainsword is just brainless kill-em-all, Devil's claw require some badassery, Dueling Sword - poke those Mutanats/Crushers/maulers/ ragres to death with low risk and also chop horde and do it with grace and Elegance 🙂

[proud hinge]

ok ill go infested unarmored ty

[silk hawk]

gzgz

[fluid knot]

All of the above

[silk hawk]

huh?

[maiden wolf]

beehold!

[fading iris]

I cast... bullet!

[frigid zenith]

Space wizards with guns can be fun. Enjoy your memes.

[earnest bloom]

Why surge nerf?

Is void strike the ideal now?

[azure bridge]

Gun is CLEARLY the best spell.

[lyric burrow]

Honestly it was ideal before minus the bug

[earnest bloom]

Yea I think so too

[lyric burrow]

It is significantly better than surge now

[fading iris]

ops, I forgot that I copied other thing

[earnest bloom]

Wait which voidstike bug?

[fading iris]

don't worry about RP, let me get the right link

[orchid shadow]

Soooo, limb targeting for Surge was intentional for.. what? Keeping down lag from all the gibblets? Did no designer go, waaaait a sec...

[idle bay]

I have those 4. Which one to use and how to modify ?

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/75

now is the right one

[orchid shadow]

Ohhhh, yay! "Fixes for the surge staff and exhilarating takedown will be in the next hotfix which is currently being processed!"

Whenever that is.

[north cradle]

For Assail, do you guys like running Empowered Psionics, or Warp Syphon

[earnest bloom]

So they said they'd fix it with this hot fix but didn't?

Always warp charges

[steel flame]

know what? im having a blast playing vet, its like a reflex reponse, every time a salty player sees me using knife and laspistol they just absolutly lose their minds, its hilarious

[earnest bloom]

The peril resist lets you do more damage

With everything

[fading iris]

No, that this hotfix is more like a update on the list of the patch itself

a real hotfix is in the works

[earnest bloom]

I see

Why make 2 hotfixes in one day though

[fading iris]

better for record

[fresh reef]

holy shit blazing trauma is so god damn good
This isn't a recent discovery, I just fucking love this thing

[fading iris]

plus was probably "we need to do X but is already passing our time, lets finish tomorrow" queue timelapse to the next day "Excuse me, the surge staff is doing WHAT?! "

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[frigid zenith]

Yes sir, with trauma blaze like 50% of my damage is soulburn.

[plucky flax]

This is wrong. Pls buff it's bad.

[orchid shadow]

More likely it was already known but the backlog of things to do was so large, when they triaged their task list someone made it a low priority C or D bug.

[visual adder]

Question for psyker mains: Why do you play Psyker? What made you choose it?

[fresh reef]

yeah true it's so bad please buff it fatshark

surely this will have no negative consequences

[fading iris]

Probably, but someone screaming "the WHAT" when asked about body part damage on surge staff is funnier

[fresh reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/494276085458927628/1147627669639409766/You_fell_for_the_Embedded_Pipebomb_Spell.gif

[plucky flax]

I play psyker because I'm bored of carrying with zealot.

[eager mantle]

Cool warp powers sounded cool now I run around in scriers gaze with a laspistol

[fresh reef]

I wanna use scrier's but I just don't like the playstyle

[maiden wolf]

Indeed

[fresh reef]

the voicelines are just amazing for it though

[stable silo]

i liked making zealots uncomfortable by blowing up in their face and covering them with warp juice

[fresh reef]

"I'm sorry. I have to hurt you now :)"

[eager mantle]

It's been a nice mixup to how I've been playing psyker

[fading iris]

"The game probably has some ammo hoarding that I don't want to deal with it" + space magic go waaaaaaaaarp

[supple skiff]

couple ruffians start poisoning tertiums water supply, I pop scryers and grab my void staff, Just like Big E intended

[static needle]

why stam?

[fading iris]

why not, need to go faster for more time

[fresh reef]

though at least shriek I have "Scream! SCREAM! It sounds NICE~"

[stable silo]

the french lady hysterically laughing while her voice warps is fire voice line def best

[eager mantle]

Is that right sibling? You're going to burst your peril load all over the zealots so we never have to stop hearing it from them?

[stable silo]

to be fair it was my fault for stroking my illis to close to my limit

[fresh reef]

"I'm gonna hurt you" is another personal favorite

[stable silo]

gota stack that unstable power

[eager mantle]

"I think it's time to start killing everyone"

[orchid shadow]

I can imagine them giggling to an internal running joke where the damage is always somehing extremely different from the previous version. It went from a low damage CC zap, to single target, to Zeus' lightning bolt, then ended up a wet noodle.

[fresh reef]

though I wish "I don't want to do this" just wasn't in the Fem Seer's pool of lines

it doesn't fit her as much as it does the male seer

because she definitely, certainly wants to do that

[fresh reef]

now is the best time to make Surge into the quake lightning gun

[fading iris]

surge smite being turned into aoe bubble

[glossy ember]

i think women with a french accent are nice

[supple skiff]

Parisian French maybe

[glossy ember]

i was into wattson from apex legend

[fading iris]

oui oui hon hon hon warp explodes

[glossy ember]

i get to play a psycho wattson here too

[supple skiff]

redneck french canadian accent leaves MUCH to be desired

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/shoresy-yeah-gif-26038024

[glossy ember]

[limber tartan]

Man, sometimes the ai director just says "Fuck you"

[eager mantle]

It's drinking and doing his best to play darts as he looks over our games

[supple skiff]

man I swear in the new map if it cant kill you with lots of spawns it just spawns more to pop your gpu

[limber tartan]

Didn't even get past the bridge in Chasm Logistratum we literally got like 9 monstrosities right at the very start and on top of that the vet and zealon rushed forward and died

[supple skiff]

I found setting that had let me play the game with no issues (3070) but fuck me does that mapo bog me down

[limber tartan]

Obviously not at the same time, but they were just a cherry on the top

[coral cave]

did they remove smite 0 cost?

[eager mantle]

Yes

[coral cave]

oof

[supple skiff]

wait what

[eager mantle]

Happened a while ago

[supple skiff]

oh nvm

[coral cave]

thats kinda ass ngl

[eager mantle]

Was kinda busted ngl

[supple skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

re: psyker nerfs

[coral cave]

back to assail i guess

haven't tried that yet

after its nerfs

i understand assail nerfs but smite kinda feels lackluster rn

[glossy ember]

tbf you don't need to hold surge forever, with 6warp siphons it already feels like it lasts forever

err

smite

look at me doing a fatshark

[ornate hamlet]

strangely only got worrisome stutter on the first time i played the map, guess it wasnt cached yet

does darktide even work like that

[fading iris]

see?! common mistake

[glossy ember]

bruh

proving bigfish right...

[eager mantle]

Assail still does its job. Reactions to its nerfs are overblown. They never intended any blitz to be a primary. You throw your shards and mix it up with melee and range weapon in its downtime

[stable silo]

assail works great

[fading iris]

speaking of ordo dockets being spent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB1dNj0h730

[frail sand]

• i load into AM mission
• 50 snipers
• 3 dead bots

[prime elk]

If anything it’s even more useful now with the bonkers ai director

Smite that is

[limber tartan]

Nothing like clutching a game as a psyker when 3 people died only to blow your self up with perils right after

[fading iris]

nothing like good fireworks to celebrate a victory

[robust kayak]

What do yall think is the best blitz rn? I feel like theyre all mid

[eager mantle]

Robbing my friend of the "clears with no deaths" contract by blowing up at the end of the boss fight on my final wound

[celest hedge]

Smite doesn’t feel as good but it’s still nice, you just have to play it with empowered psionics to be worth it

The difference in damage output is very noticeable

[eager mantle]

Smite and assail are good where they are. They do the jobs they are meant to do and are good at it. BB is in a corner where it needs EP to be seen as actually worth or the few times you glimpse a sniper, bomber or trapper a long ways away

[robust kayak]

50 cd nerf on assail feels awful tho. I do admit beforw they sorta replaced both ur gun and ranged weapons

[eager mantle]

smite's role is CC. You got your expectations wrong if you don't like it's damage. It'll kill stugf with EP, it's just not it's actual role

[celest hedge]

The damage difference is big and the faster spread makes it a better CC tool

[fading iris]

Just use a no blitz build, believe in yourself, don't depend on warp powers

[eager mantle]

They didn't want it to be a primary. Still does its job clearing out a room of spread out trash. Clears pox hound packs. Can even stagger and knock on ass the elites that aren't outright killed by it

[eager mantle]

Reject warp. Return to lead

[fading iris]

[stable silo]

smite and fire shriek is a great combo

[eager mantle]

Don't even got a force sword equipped anymore. Only warp is assail to spam out to switch to gun and steel. Sciers to increase my gun damage

[robust kayak]

My issue with smite is im a league player and ive devoloped this.mentality that im with oompa loompas most of the time

[orchid shadow]

Even better then. You can smite, that will give the oompa loompas enouigh time to stand on each other's shoulders to make a single player, so they can kill something.

[eager mantle]

Sounds like every game. Love it when I ran smite and would stun an entire horde while a team member is down and no one picks them up

[rare arrow]

Smite >venting >smite clears hordes without help so you’re good there

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/wonka-timothee-chalamet-willy-wonka-paul-king-oompa-loompa-gif-9057166659786300176

[limber tartan]

Out of sync poxbursters are something else

[static needle]

Does this build have the right curios?https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9f5c6d-cc4d-405c-9f2d-cd2b2fffe210/brainburstsoulblaze-spam

[frail sand]

failed like 5 AM runs in a row

[open pike]

Sure it has already been discussed here, but nice to know the Surge Staff is being looked at apparently
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179/76

[leaden thunder]

the right curios are the ones that keep YOU specifically, alive so they are often different for everyone

[untold widget]

yay

[rare arrow]

“Bug”

They just messed up again. Good ol tubby shark.

[untold widget]

Interesting to see someone build for toughness, I pretty much run two +3 stamina curios and a wound curio with Ability regen, block efficiency and ally revive speed

[north cradle]

I just realised my Purgatus has another free modding slot. 25% Infested?

[fading iris]

[robust kayak]

Is dmg the dump stat for purg?

[north cradle]

It is ya

Look at that spread. Not really worth

[untold widget]

does crit damage affect the burn applied from a crit?

[north cradle]

I think it doubles stacks

[robust kayak]

Yeah i see
Intresting

[fading iris]

[untold widget]

I know crit applies double stacks, just don't know if the burn damage gets increased or not

[north cradle]

Don't think so, just on first application

[untold widget]

makes sense

[north cradle]

So ya Infested/Unyielding or

[near wyvern]

Flak maniac or flak crit chance

Infested will get perma staggered by flames anyways so that +25% is irrelevant

[north cradle]

Ah solid

[near wyvern]

After hitting the stack cap you should switch to melee against monstrosities so no point having +unyielding on your staff, DOT damage is calculated from the currently active buffs, perks and blessings, not the ones when they were applied

Other unyielding enemies are reapers (which you rarely get the chance to flame) and bulwakrs so not many things benefit from it

[heady garnet]

bubble vs wall in the carnival?

having more uptime with wall feels really good, but the bubble is nice with the toughness regen but that feels situational

[near wyvern]

Whatever you play best with

[limber tartan]

Im gonna put the poxburster sound as my alarm

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-24480925

[static needle]

Im building for toughness

[orchid shadow]

Please please please let the hotfix drop tomorrow before the weekend hits.

[fading iris]

we can only hope

[static needle]

What curios should i run with this?

[fading iris]

Why? You should build for greatness

[sturdy dagger]

curious dont often change with build just get 3 u can survive with the best

[neon steppe]

Replace unyielding with crit chance imo. Best actually damage increase since crits apply additional stack, but more importantly procs on crit nodes. Last night had run where I had almost 3k crits. That’s a lot of procs

[sturdy dagger]

change infested to flak

[static needle]

What are good perks for curio as a psyker?

[plucky flax]

Wounds is meta.

[stable silo]

ordo dockets

[fading iris]

ordo dockets peak performance

[stable silo]

you can throw money at the heretics and they pretend to die until after the mission its the greatest power increase

[fading iris]

if you can't damage them with your surge staff, hit them with your ordo bag

[west stream]

Toughness is good in theory due to how much toughness regen psyker can have

[mossy sundial]

What’s our Psyker meta this patch?

[sturdy dagger]

no warp battery? no 5% crit node? no perfect timing? smite without either of its boosts? battle meditation?

[stable silo]

until your staring up at that crushers big boi about to come down on your skill then u want the 21% hp

[west stream]

But due to unavoidable damage at least some wounds feels needed

And health

[fading iris]

to be honest, you should build curios for what you need, everybody need something different

[west stream]

Dodge gudder

But yes

[white hemlock]

Have they said anything about the state of veteran? lmao

[round summit]

what are s-tier staffs with smite?

or are guns good

[stable silo]

they said git gud scrubz then rubbed their nipples it was very odd press release

u dont really use a staff with smite im running laspistol to drop snipers

inebtween smites working out great so far

[sturdy dagger]

u run smite with whatever u want really

[white hemlock]

I embrace the Void

[sturdy dagger]

maybe other than trauma since there both cc tools but trauma also just kills things

[white hemlock]

It does induce it's namesake

I don't have a good one, so I scream into the void

[stable silo]

this is the build im running for smite with deimos/laspistol working out great so far at being a CC bot in auric damn its def a change from my assail build

[shadow quail]

smite is good with void because it maxes out true aim for a free crit

[stable silo]

u can easily swap to dome if you prefer but 10 second fire screams is alot of fun fire

[sturdy dagger]

man. can surge even appear on blue rarity?

how many voidstrikes am i gonna collect before i get it

[lucid horizon]

did the fixed the electric weapon in this update?

[sturdy dagger]

no

they have addressed it though

[sturdy dagger]

hotfix soon hopefully

[fading iris]

soon™

[lucid horizon]

ohhh nice

[sturdy dagger]

i wonder what being processed actually means

[scenic dawn]

Any advice on the warp battery penance? I'm stuck on 202 out of 300 and can't get anymore.

[mighty olive]

lots of crashing still, quickplayed into the new map, shock troop, and two team members disconnected like 5 times, was horrid

[eager mantle]

I would assume finalizing for approval

[shadow quail]

but if it's a bug why is it mentioned in the patch notes

[sturdy dagger]

i havent crashed or seen anyone crash on mew map yet

[fading iris]

it wasn't, then on the hot fix for the patch notes, sounds like is visual changes that were confirmed by that reply

[sturdy dagger]

am i going crazy or is there like barely a difference between base and warp flurry 3 stacks on void staff?

[mighty olive]

just had two team members crash on it, at the finale as well >_<

[plucky flax]

I have a lot of memory crashes.

[glossy ember]

i also can't feel a diff

[plucky flax]

It's either mods or the update has some memory leak.

[glossy ember]

which shouldn't be a thing

[limber tartan]

12 death AM victory

[scenic dirge]

'

[small whale]

i left game on for a while and next match was laggy so im thinking vram leak

[limber tartan]

Whata rollercoster

I died 6 times btw

[plucky flax]

According to a dev over at modders discord mods seem to be the cause.

[bright ether]

Ive had one or two memory leaks as of recently but the debug always mentions it may be mods.

[limber tartan]

Yea it is definitely a leak

[bright ether]

Idk which ones it could be however :v

[limber tartan]

I once deployed 12 medpacks in psykanium for funzies and had to restart the game after that because games were basically unplayable

It is definitely a leak

[sturdy dagger]

i dont speak computer what does this mean

[limber tartan]

The game uses up resources but does not free them up after wards

[small whale]

funzies means for fun

[limber tartan]

There for the longer it goes the more it uses up

[sturdy dagger]

[plucky flax]

Maybe the framework or something needs to be updated.

[sturdy dagger]

so what restart the game every lil while and were good until fix?

[bright ether]

Gen chat getting weird

[jolly spear]

Gen chat always is.

[limber tartan]

Well restarting the game ends all (at least should) processes related to that program

[bright ether]

Tru

[proven stirrup]

I was about to say

When is it NOT

[sturdy dagger]

ive literally never once looked in there

[bright ether]

I havent been here in a few months; forgot what its like haha

[small whale]

oh also how they nerf warp rider?

[bright ether]

I dont think so?

[limber tartan]

They "fixed" it, before it gave free 10% damage boost

Now you need to have perils to actually get use of warp rider

Which is not an issue if can manage your perils

[small whale]

wait before would it not wven scale with peril?

just flat 10%

[proven stirrup]

Bold of you to assume people care to be good at the game

[limber tartan]

It did, but it gave you flat 10% as a starting point

[open pike]

It would but started at 10%

[limber tartan]

soo 10% to 20% with perils now its 0 to 20

[small whale]

oh ok i was gonna say like all that edging for nothing

[proven stirrup]

My psyker kit is still a mess

[serene cloud]

Hi guys, I know I'm arriving after the battle, and I know that the Surge staff is currently in a weird state, but any comm from FS about a plan to adress it ? It seemed fine before, why did they do that ?

[near wyvern]

I have hidden it

[serene cloud]

Nice ! Thank you for such a fast answer ♥

[small whale]

If you don't know surge was also bugged to do 2x damage last patch so they fixed that too

[bright ether]

But even then it was pulling high damage on warp charges build too

[sturdy dagger]

do we have even a vague eta for when this will be fixed? i miss muh lightning build

[serene cloud]

So, the actual damages are the good one ?

[sturdy dagger]

what does that even mean

[bright ether]

[small whale]

So the damage now is what surge does basically, minus the random limb hits

[serene cloud]

I see. Disappointing so. Thank you.

[eager mantle]

Nope. Maybe expect this weekend or next week with perspective of how long it took for this latest hotfix after the update.

[near wyvern]

Probs depend on Microsoft as they need to greenlight before it can be published on xbox

[sturdy dagger]

agony

yknow i never got an answer last time i asked but how tf does this blessing work on void

[near wyvern]

Based on the comment they have already the next hot fix in the processing so ready to go and waiting for publish

[near wyvern]

Warp flurry?

[sturdy dagger]

sustained fire

[near wyvern]

It's on a timer

You need to fire in quick succession a for it to work, so LMB or min charge RMB so garbage

[sturdy dagger]

i uh

i think its just proccing on every bolt

i went from 1.2k on crit to 1.8k

[bright ether]

[sturdy dagger]

full charges

theres no counter on the icon for it, it simply lights for the first 4 bolts i fire in a row

[near wyvern]

I will add it to my list to test, you never know what kind of stealth changes they make.

[sturdy dagger]

even if it is only on low charge spam until i unlock surge blessing i think its better

[near wyvern]

This is how it was in patch 14 so yeah it actually can increase all your shots damage by flat 20

[sturdy dagger]

i cant feel a difference with flurry on thi staff

[lucid horizon]

im broke too

[plucky flax]

Where are my free hats tho?

[limber tartan]

Them cosmetics were to release in november soo we still have time

[summer prairie]

Well first three attacks means it procs on every void charge that takes sufficiently long (close to full charge)

[chilly mantle]

should I change the blessings or perks on this?

[languid forge]

surge feels pretty shitty now

breakpoints non existant on first testing

[fading iris]

calm down, wait the hotfix and you will be fine

hopefully

[languid forge]

wishful thinking

[scenic dawn]

Any advice on the warp battery penance? I'm stuck on 202 out of 300 and can't get anymore.

[sturdy dagger]

its getting patched my guy

if u werent aware it has another bug making it EXTRA bad

it randomly targets limbs now for 50% reduced ranged damage

fartshark are so quirky

[fading iris]

Thiccsushi

[limber tartan]

AM does feel a little nuts after the last patch

[ornate hamlet]

what do u guys think

[limber tartan]

That's pretty damn good

[fading iris]

not 380 = trash jk, very noice

[eager mantle]

Trash you should delete it.

[wanton sandal]

i wonder what spaghetti code they could've fucked up to make it start targeting limbs

[sturdy dagger]

it was intentional

kinda

[limber tartan]

Although i would replace the 8% to elite to 10% critical damage but that would be to suit my build

[sturdy dagger]

they did it for visual effect and just somehow accidentally made it literal

[ornate hamlet]

i cant change the eltie damage

its locked

[limber tartan]

Yea

Fucked up isn't it

[wanton sandal]

lol

[hazy cedar]

Wouldn't a global 8% damage to all elites be better than only 10% extra damage from crits

Considering crit damage bonus only affects the bonus damage from critting

[limber tartan]

Yea but i run both dd and scrier's

[wanton sandal]

laspistol has a real good crit rate

[limber tartan]

with scriers on i have 53% to crit

[hazy cedar]

Well.. 10% of all damage is going to be better than 10% of a partial amount of your damage

[limber tartan]

and with max stacks of dd i do Quite Silly Damage

[hazy cedar]

Unless you specifically want it on more than elites but eh

[limber tartan]

Even without both of those stacked that 10% damage equals to around 80 more damage on headshot crit dreg rager

With fully stacked dd and scrier's it goes silly

[white hemlock]

Isn't not 10% of your total crit, but 10% more into the crit?

[hazy cedar]

Yeah. So if you do 100 base and 150 on a crit. 10% crit damage adds 5 damage

Whereas 10% elite would do 165 total

But only to elites

[limber tartan]

Soo that additional 80 damage i get from 10% on crits does not actually exist is that what you're trying to tell me

[white hemlock]

Do you really need help killing non elites?

[hazy cedar]

Right? Lol

[limber tartan]

Yea

Everything that has a gun has to die

[hazy cedar]

It depends, I don't know the exact stats on laspistol hits and it'll change based on rolls. But 10% to elites is TOTAL damage. Crit hit damage is only increasing the bonus damage from crits, but to every crit on everything

[static needle]

Does this change voice?

[limber tartan]

I only care about elites with guns anything else i don't care about

And those i already kill on 2 to 4 shots without stacked dd and scrier's

Crit damage helps with all units

And helps alot with the +25 unyealding against monstrosities

[glossy ember]

it should yes

[limber tartan]

Oh yea i also haev +25% damage to unyielding

[eager mantle]

Head pieces do add an effect

[limber tartan]

I was talking about my laspistol not the one that was posted

Here

[hazy cedar]

I'd PERSONALLY change it to elite damage or maniac or flak. But eh. If it works for you, you do you

[idle aurora]

ra is so bad, they need to rework it

[static needle]

anyone know how that changes voice?

[limber tartan]

I don't know, it should

[wanton sandal]

yea

al rebreathers do

[static needle]

know how it changes it?

[limber tartan]

This one does

[wanton sandal]

it adds the mask filter

just muffle sit

[static needle]

is it sick like zealots?

[idle aurora]

no

The only 2 masks that add cool effect to voice is zealot and ogryn

Zealots has this spiked sun oreol, and ogryn has orange eyes

[smoky fractal]

so i am struggggggling, im usually a zealot main but the builds in the pinned guide arent working for me

whats the easiest build to succeed?

[icy spoke]

It does, but slightly

[icy spoke]

If you mean the new Zealot mask then no

[static needle]

wrong channel xD

[idle aurora]

I always run relic zealot with fire nades, never looked back since

[icy spoke]

It won't turn you into Darth Vader

[smoky fractal]

i dont ask psykers how to play psykers? T_T

[wanton sandal]

what're you wanting to run

[static needle]

do any other masks give u a voicechanger in this game? like in the same fashion that zealots do?

[smoky fractal]

surge illis then asssail/shield

[wanton sandal]

surge is lackluster atm

[glossy ember]

did they fix this node yet btw