psyker-class

[rotund dagger]

How's Unstable Power these days?

Is it good, meh, brickworthy?

[potent echo]

It's ok

Preference vs slaughterer

For Deimos, illisi you probably want slaughterer

[rotund dagger]

I have slaughterer and UP

[long wharf]

on Illisi, I run slaughterer+deflector

[potent echo]

Deimos you want uncanny +slaught/deflector/unstable

[rotund dagger]

god why does illinois have so MANY BLESSINGS

[potent echo]

Illinois

[rotund dagger]

illinois

Banking on this typo

calling it illinois from now until I die

[restive slate]

Illinois or Dallas?

[fluid knot]

Colorado

[restive slate]

Colorado Devil Sword?

[strong gulch]

Apparently Illinois is nicknamed "the Prairie State". Illisi is lawn mower.

[long wharf]

we already knew that

and the Purge staff is for watering the lawn

[strong gulch]

i didn't know it was the prairie state

[hollow jolt]

that actually looks really cool

I want a 2-handed power sword now

[long wharf]

we all do

[hollow jolt]

:c

[long wharf]

and a 2h force sword

[hollow jolt]

then Fatshark goes crazy again and gives a 2-handed power weapon with Power Cycler + Slaughterer UwU

[rotund dagger]

I wanna color my smite lightning

I want red lightning

[cinder patrol]

Just came back since release, are surge staves still solid with the class reworks? Still anti-armour and cc focused?

[long wharf]

nope changed

good single target, no longer cc focused

[hollow jolt]

50%

still good anti-armor

virtually no CC

they're currently one of the better psyker staff picks because there's a funny interaction with Empowered Psionics

"+125% to smite" -> game thinks smite and surge are the same -> 🤔

[sour bison]

Thats heresy

[rotund dagger]

its badass is what it is

Besides

In the God emperors Confirmed, Objective tier list of colors
Red tops purple

[feral verge]

(they were never solid)

[rotund dagger]

So its less heresy than the current color

[feral verge]

atleast back then

they are good now, on certain builds

[potent echo]

No it's not

Flak from 150 to 100

Unarmored from 30 to 100

It's just anti whatever now

[cinder patrol]

I mean.... makes sense with Smite being a thing now...

[rotund dagger]

(Best psyker blitz)

[cinder patrol]

I shed a tear when I couldn't stun a mutant

Honestly not sure what weapons and abilities to roll now. Assail isn't fun and BB sucks, so I guess swap out surge for voidstrike?

(does BB suck?)

[prime elk]

I find BB annoying as hell to use

[long wharf]

it sounds like you don't like psyker

assail isn't fun? what planet are you from?

[prime elk]

Assail rmb is fun

Lmb is boring

[potent echo]

Play purg shocktrooper psyker and just don't use the blitzes

[strong gulch]

If assail is boring to use, then purg might also be boring tbh.

[potent echo]

It's boring if you stay on the backlines and do your little crowd killing duties

Say nay and start sprinting into all encounters

Sliding and suppressing everything

[silent coral]

I swear im going crazy or is venting shriek kinda iffy in its responsiveness and not going off when i press F initially

[potent echo]

Shriek literally works at anytime they changed it in 13

[strong gulch]

Still a simple staff to use, and idj if that would contrinute to possible "boring-ness".

[potent echo]

Most things are simple to use, it's the playstyle that makes the difference

Like a gun is just point and click

[strong gulch]

Sure but we are speculating on some else's feelings.

[potent echo]

I'm just sharing my own

[fluid knot]

It'd be more fun if it wasnt the most aimbotty thing in the game

Like you can throw it and pull a fuckin 180* an still kill things

Imo, that shouldnt be a thing

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with the aimbot

just nerf the ammo instead

[fluid knot]

I'd rather keep the ammo, increase projectile speed, and have them work like Zealot's thrown knives

[spice veldt]

i do not want assail to be a weapon where you would ever hold out for more than a few seconds

and it's on the gunker side of the tree

it should be an assist weapon

a quickswap weapon that you swap to for a moment and throw out

and with less ammo economy so that you aren't incentivized to just hold it out and spam it

magic cowboy shooting and throwing knives on the side

[cinder patrol]

Yeahh, assail should be a mix in or burst aoe clear, not a whatever you want, chuck it out sorta deal

Odds are it'll be nerfed and pushed into that area

[viscid matrix]

Considering they changed it in the last patch, and that change is a straight buff for killing the tougher enemies
I don’t think they will

[cinder patrol]

That's.... strange

[spice veldt]

yeah

[cinder patrol]

I don't want my psyker to be the monke mode class

[spice veldt]

if i don't see a shot to the kneecaps of its ammo economy

[potent echo]

They seem to like assail blending hordes

[cinder patrol]

We're supposed to be the guys who read

[spice veldt]

psyker is such a mechanically dead class already

just add some quickswapping at least

[potent echo]

What makes you say that

[spice veldt]

basically no aiming is needed for our kit

[potent echo]

Considering we have an entire peril thing

[spice veldt]

no quickswap tech needed

[potent echo]

Quickswap tech I always hated

[spice veldt]

i mean mechanics in terms of the physical complexity of the actions that you need to do

like APM

[fluid knot]

This tbh, an they gutted quell cancelling

I miss old Void

[lunar hollow]

quell cancelling was cool

[spice veldt]

well they removed the need for quell cancelling

[cinder patrol]

It was

[potent echo]

I guess so

[lunar hollow]

now its pointless for the most part

[potent echo]

But movetech with duellies and Deimos is so fun

[long wharf]

you do realize that assail is not fire-and-forget, right?

[cinder patrol]

I lowkey miss OG psyker, it felt more intentional with its design, though it did suck

[fluid knot]

Its pretty fuckin borderline mate

[long wharf]

assail is constantly targeting whatever is closest to your center of aim

[fluid knot]

RMB at something, lob it and then you can totally ignore it

[cinder patrol]

Well... is there a more aimbotty thing?

[fluid knot]

Literally look the other direction an it will stil hit

[long wharf]

the way to get the most out of assail is to not spam it blindly

[potent echo]

Surge smite

[cinder patrol]

Fuck

[long wharf]

even for a horde, you want to be helping guide the shards to heads

which means aiming above heads to encourage arcing trajectories as much as possible

[potent echo]

Technically brainburst hold lmb and you wiggle your mouse into the darkness/smoke

[fluid knot]

Those two actually kinda need to be a little bit, and it makes sense that they are for gameplay reasons. Assail is just absolutely the tier of "I have no idea how to aim in any capacity beyond 5m so im just gonna spam this"

[long wharf]

I love playing assail with other assail psykers in the group

with randoms, I know I'm going to vastly out-perform them

[fluid knot]

Which would be cool, IF it required some talent to do it. But like it doesnt

At all

[cinder patrol]

No disrespect, but that's kinda like being the best at eating glue

[fluid knot]

Its the most user friendly thing in the game

[long wharf]

it's definitely noob-friendly

[cinder patrol]

You are surely skilled though, it's just assail is... assail

[fluid knot]

P'much

It needs way more aggressive nerfs, but i doubt thats gonna happen

[cinder patrol]

I want to feel like I earn the right to carry trash randoms

[potent echo]

Technically nothing in darktide is true auto aim like trueflight volley

[long wharf]

what Fatshark needs to do is put the assail damage back where it was, and drop the max shard count to 5

[hollow jolt]

I do like that it gives Psykers the ability to handle long range specialists like bombers

[potent echo]

That thing you just spam F whenever it's off cooldown

[long wharf]

and lower the recharge rate

[fluid knot]

Brainburst, LMB on all staves but Purga, or even a gun

[hollow jolt]

more options are good though

also LMB keeps knocking them down :c

fucking Vet do your job

[fluid knot]

There are plenty of ways to do that, Assail doesnt provide any mechanics that other stuff doesnt, it just lets you entirely turn off your brain to get the same, or better, effect

[cinder patrol]

Goated statement

[potent echo]

Or just whipout brainburst

Just do all the jobs, how else you going to get yellow numbers

[cinder patrol]

That's what I was talking about with friends a few days ago. It doesn't make difficult stuff easy, it makes easy stuff absolutely trivial

[hoary leaf]

Is Slaughterer good on force swords? I see a level IV one in Melks shop but wonder if its woth it

[potent echo]

Definitely yes

[hollow jolt]

not that good on Deimos

[potent echo]

If anything put it in your stickerbook

[fluid knot]

As time goes on i find that "jobs" are kinda arbitrary most of the time, everyone needs to be able to do a bit of everything

[long wharf]

watching assail users absolutely suck ass in Heresy is always entertaining, though

[fluid knot]

The more you can do, the generally better your score will be

[hollow jolt]

but Illius or whatever its name is likes it

[prime elk]

Impossible

[fluid knot]

They suck shit in Damnation most of the time too mate lol

[potent echo]

Yea a well rounded build can do everything

[prime elk]

You just press lmb

[potent echo]

That's how you get all the yellow numbers

[cinder patrol]

Strange to see psykers as such a rarity though despite having the most noob friendly abilities

[fluid knot]

The minority? You an I playing different games?

Psyker has been the most common class i've seen since P13

[potent echo]

Region probably plays a big deal

[hollow jolt]

its mostly been Vets for me

I always have at least 1 Vet

[fluid knot]

An its not even close neither

[potent echo]

Also time of day etc

[cinder patrol]

Maybe a different game, yeah, but all I see are vets

[hollow jolt]

honestly I wish I saw more PSykers

[cinder patrol]

John Darktide is all I see

[hollow jolt]

especially Psykers with the Cooldown Aura

[potent echo]

4 psyker teams are the best

[cinder patrol]

Same, at least they don't waste ammo on stray poxes

[hollow jolt]

4 Smite psykers UwU

[potent echo]

What can even challenge a team with each of the 4 staves

[fluid knot]

Vet + Psyker are two sides of the same coin in this current patch i feel. Not in terms of how they function, but in terms of what the players are like. IE; generally not great

[hollow jolt]

brb spawning 6 poxbursters next to each door

[potent echo]

I'm doorphobic

[hollow jolt]

on my Vet, I use Voice of Command before getting near doors

in one of my games today, it saved 3 teammates from a poxburster lol

[potent echo]

Oh I forgot about that yellow thing lmao

Imagine being scared of sniper or bursters just press F

[hollow jolt]

indeed, same with Ogryn taunt

[potent echo]

Ogryn F vs shotgunners is the best

[cinder patrol]

"NOOOO STOPPING MEEEEEEE"

Wrong special, but you get the point

[silk hawk]

I am one of them 🙂

[hollow jolt]

I love you

[fluid knot]

Ngl, i wish Aura choice was a bit more of a choice

A lot of them are kinda in a situation where if you want XYZ other feats, you have to pass through whichever is most convenient, not which one you actually want

[silk hawk]

I like how it is now

All point of the talent "tree" is that u can't have all u want at once 🙂

[severe folio]

we arent wanting all of them, we just want a better pathway

mostly because other classes get to do that but not us

[fluid knot]

Which is fine for most talents, but Auras are like the team based thing, an it doesnt really flow very well being forced to pick certain things, even if they have little to no synergy, to make the rest of the build work properly

[spice veldt]

and auras not stacking

[fluid knot]

If Auras were a seperate choice, or indeed higher up the tree, a lot of the issues would be alieviated

[hollow jolt]

its really bad for Vet as its "2 of them are shit, and one of them is one of the strongest auras in the game"

like bruh what

[silk hawk]

Maybe ur right... When i see 3 psykers with a same aura it hurts a bit...

[hearty oak]

What are key blessings for a voidstrike staff?

[fluid knot]

Dont even go there... Scavenger should never have survived beyond P13

[silk hawk]

Surge + flurry

[fluid knot]

Surge/Nexus imo, but that^ will work if you're running True Aim

[hearty oak]

Does crit proc more often than you think?

[hollow jolt]

wouldn't Surge + "Crit based on peril" work better?

[fluid knot]

If you dont have True Aim than yeah

[hollow jolt]

ah

[fluid knot]

Even if you do have True Aim, you probably still want Nexus tho

Because consistent

[hearty oak]

True aim?

[fluid knot]

Every 5 weakspot hits = guaranteed crit

[hearty oak]

Oh... the talent

been a hot minute since i played psyker

[silk hawk]

No but flurry is still more convenient way to deal with most threads like disablers and mixed hordes

[fluid knot]

not really, Void dumpsters any disabler and mixed horde with ease

Particularly if you're getting more Surge procs

[silk hawk]

U can get allot of crits with true aim talent thou

U can say whatever u want but the faster i gonna hit next 5 heads - the faster i will crit next time

[fluid knot]

But you can have more procs with both True Aim and Nexus?

Not just a few more, a LOT more

[hearty oak]

Hmm. Would the maniac/flak still apply here, or would there be more reason to have unyielding?

[fluid knot]

Which translates to a lot more damage

[silk hawk]

U can, but do u need to?

[fluid knot]

I would go Carapace or Unyeilding with 5% Crit on a Surge setup personally

[fluid knot]

Kinda yes, or you're wasting the potential of Surge

[silk hawk]

Once that armour is dead i d better throw it faster

[hearty oak]

THis is what im working with

[fluid knot]

Its literally double damage, the more times you can get it to proc, the more you're doing

[silk hawk]

It's too slow for me without flurry

[long wharf]

Surge blessing isn't quite double damage

[hollow jolt]

simply ask your Beloved to cast faster

[long wharf]

but it's still worth having

[fluid knot]

Yeah ditch Flurry for Surge, swap Flak to 5% crit

[hearty oak]

Does it dumpster flak enough the bonus isnt needed?

[fluid knot]

Yea

Though it was scaled back a little bit Void is still really fuckin strong

[hearty oak]

Ok. Cause i still use warp battery for a bottom perk

Which i know isnt in the way to get true aim

[fluid knot]

Thats fine, will work super well

Its still a flat damage boost from the charges

[hearty oak]

I didnt know if warp siphon was still a good perk to go for cause disrupt destiny just didnt seem worth it

[fluid knot]

DD is just a bit of a weird skill at the moment

If it didnt randomly stop highlighting targets it would be potentially pretty good, but yeah, as long as its doing that, the other two keystones gonna often be better

[severe folio]

melk is so kind to my psyker 🥰

[magic edge]

Got the stupid penance for Brainbursting a monster last night. Jesus that took longer than it should have.

[hearty oak]

Alright. i was experimenting with headhunter/assail for a while and it was great, and voidstrike with warp siphon for the immense power gain and time that you can hold the charges

[fluid knot]

Whatddid you get?

[hearty oak]

though i never did the 6 charges cause the gain seemed negligible

[fluid knot]

taking WB isnt a must do depending on what other stuff you wanna get, but its still more damage

[hearty oak]

I wanted warp rider over warp battery primarily. Sounded better on paper to me

[fluid knot]

Bigger bonus, less consistent, probably works out about the same or slightly better on average. Not a bad pick at all

[hearty oak]

Pretty much what i was thinking. But i kept a high enough peril in the heat of the moment to get a bigger bonus when needed.

There was a method to my madness, its hard to explain

[potent echo]

Either way the bonus won't really affect the way you play

[fluid knot]

Nah, i totally get that, when things get super intense, the extra damage really can be the difference between success and faliure

[potent echo]

There isn't much breakpoints that require x% peril with warp rider

Or x warpcharges

[hearty oak]

I will have to try true aim though with a more crit heavy build

[hasty pier]

I start leveling psyker and suddenly all the sub 30's have no idea how to play wtf

[long wharf]

what's your psyker's name?

[fluid knot]

Thats just how it be at the moment

New players starting new characters/second characters

It'll ease up over time

[strong gulch]

Emp said no crit bonus for me.

[hasty pier]

I hate that I have to pick between quell at no movement loss or brain burst

[strong gulch]

Ok. Maybe emp just doesn't light stats on the bottom left.

[trim garnet]

i know you want high resist low quell but this is still good right?

[severe folio]

which one

[severe folio]

would say that the base rate is a tad low, but the crit bonus is the dump stat

[trim garnet]

ah i thought crit was important

[strong gulch]

Surge staff makes a shit load of peril.

If you're able to manage that, then yes it's good.

However, with the low flurry roll and the perks, you're stuck at good.

So not bad, but not great.

[trim garnet]

i can put flurry 4 on it but i wasnt sure if it was worth being stuck with unyielding instead of maniac+flak

[strong gulch]

I'm inclined to go with the left one, but I'd keep both.

[severe folio]

according to the codex you can play with either maniac, flak, crit or even carapace

[severe folio]

good idea, the right one is what i been using this whole time and it was serviceable

[trim garnet]

im probably going to go maniac given that surge already has a decent flak multiplier

and ragers atm are uh

[severe folio]

good idea

[trim garnet]

problematic to kill in less time

[strong gulch]

Before you invest further into it, I'd take it for a spin to see if you can manage your peril generation.

[severe folio]

purg staff need to have more unique blessings

[long wharf]

just the opposite - all the staves need to share blessings

[frail sand]

both, both are good

[severe folio]

both should happens

[frail sand]

share the common blessings

[severe folio]

also rampage on mk4 is so overtuned 😭 this bug is so outta here

[hollow jolt]

Surge staff -> doesn't have surge blessing

[severe folio]

i just 2 shot a crusher like my mk4 is an EP surge

[hollow jolt]

0/10 game

[severe folio]

oh yeah

man they really could at least give some staff rending shockwave

the ones that cant hit weakspots

[frail sand]

why cant i cast tox flames

i like green fire

green fire seems so much stronger than blue fire

[tired knoll]

sounds like something a heretic would say

[severe folio]

interesting

why does forward sliding dont cost dodge

[hasty pier]

because you're sliding

not dodging

[frail sand]

mfw u can slide up stairs

[hasty pier]

we're just like V1

rail grind anywhere

[severe folio]

the thing is, sliding backward and sideway does cost dodge

[hasty pier]

well yeah because you're dodging then

kinda like how running in the opposite direction is still retreating

dodging forward isn't dodging

because it isn't evasive

[severe folio]

interesting

[hasty pier]

I'm talking out my ass

[severe folio]

it let me evade guns though

[severe folio]

he just talk to my psyker kindly

[spice veldt]

forward sliding doesn't count towards your dodge limit, but it does reset your dodge cooldown timer

so there is some interaction there

if you're not zealot (or vet), then getting shot during a sprint will knock you out of it, though you can always just run with your camera perpendicular

[crisp yacht]

any1 use this weapon for gunker? worth picking up? i may just grab for t4 deadly accurate if anything

[olive heart]

What weapons should I be going for while lvling? I just bought the staff at lvl 4

[humble bolt]

try all of them

[quick tulip]

Don't go for weapons til 30

You can experiment with some but they'll all be poorly statted until 30

[humble bolt]

yea dont craft or at least dont spend many resources on crafting until 30

[ionic sorrel]

While leveling just try new things you get. You can always take assail if you don't like the weapon.

[silk hawk]

U can evade gun shots with forward dodge

[west smelt]

How's this for a gunsyker?

[dense bramble]

0/10 no stock

[cinder patrol]

0/10 it gun

[cosmic sigil]

you want flak, not reload speed

and at some point, maybe update ds 3 to ds 4 or ff 4

[west smelt]

Got it, thanks

[obsidian girder]

found this lying around, good for gun psyker?

[sonic whale]

Bad staff or okay?

For roll

[strong gulch]

Replace ghost with dum dum and then yeah.

[strong gulch]

I wouldn't. You want burn and cloud radius to be much higher.

[sonic whale]

This is the best role I've gotten currently, getting more Dockets to get more roles

[strong gulch]

If you find one with max cloud radius and burn at +76, then that's worth rolling.

[foggy breach]

do i buy this sparkeds

damn this is way better than a FS

neat

[sturdy dagger]

I'm not yet familiar with dueling swords but ain't that kinda ass

Rank 2 rending and the perks?

[analog agate]

Ya, no offense to him if he is serious. But that thing is a sell item

[potent echo]

Rank 2 is fine

You can probably make a better one, but it's good enough if you change both perks

[near wyvern]

It's decent, deadly accurate is the best blessing currently for that weapon family so definitely pick it up

[potent echo]

Rank4 uncanny duelly is.. 20%?

[analog agate]

Maybe I have lost touch with people who don’t have unlimited resources haha

[lunar hollow]

24% per stack

[potent echo]

Thanks

[near wyvern]

No it's +24% but rending currently caps at +100%

[hoary badge]

It's not godroll level but raw DS is good enough to punch through damnation so eh

[potent echo]

Its similar at max stacks then yea

[near wyvern]

I would expect it to change sometime in the future since rending backstab T4 is also +120% (but capped at +100% at the moment). Rending was not capped before patch 13.

With all logic rending should cap at +200%, but we shall see.

[potent echo]

Next patch when

[near wyvern]

Since uncanny and backstab can give +120% and brittleness if fixed gives +80%.

[rotund dagger]

Just don't bother with anything 360 or above

[near wyvern]

350+ is fine if you are new

[potent echo]

Burn needs 76%

[near wyvern]

It's better to have 350+ with optimal perks and blessings than a 370+ with bad blessings and perks

And finding an optimal 370+ takes so much time

[potent echo]

Or money

There was a cautionary tale in vet chat earlier

[hoary badge]

Purg has choice selection of dumpstats and is relatively easy to roll for

[strong gulch]

You can really dump money with the buy until rarity mod.

[rotund dagger]

buy 30 MKIII power Swords

All worthless

[strong gulch]

Been fishing for dumdum T4 and I have been blessed.

[sacred crane]

Can someone give a better explanation on what lighting storm does

[sturdy dagger]

I would try if I could remember the talent by name

[sacred crane]

its the upgrade for smite that says "Increase the number of times your Smite jumps by +1."

[foggy breach]

its GOOD ENOUGH and also I AM BROKE

[near wyvern]

Makes your initial smite LMB strike an additional target, essentially doubling the spread rate, and currently also causes your Surge staff RMB to hit a third target as well, altho the damage is poor on that 3rd target.

[sacred crane]

[strong gulch]

Doesn't it also increase the number of targets smited?

[potent echo]

Doesn't affect rmb?

[near wyvern]

It doesn't affect the amount of RMB initial targets and it's extremely hard to verify if it affects the spread rate or not.

In any case, if you use smite RMB correctly you will catch everything without it

[potent echo]

I thought it meant the rmb jumps to one more target

Because if the horde is dense enough the special might not be caught in the smite

[near wyvern]

If RMB doesn't catch something it's usually because they entered after the smite had spread already

And the +1 doesn't help if that's the case

[sonic whale]

on this build for a flame staff?https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a8dbfac-866c-40b9-a25e-b5108e628148/fire-and-sword

[near wyvern]

You are missing out Perfect Timing. Purgatus staff when built right crits a lot so that's a free +15% damage boost to your Soulblaze right there.

Kinetic Presence is utter garbage, it's +5% elite damage and nothing against specials.

You sure you want to go without Kinetic Defkection? It's such a strong talent that is so easily accessible.

[sonic whale]

How often do you actually get crits though with that staff? I haven't been seeing many

[foggy breach]

let see you can already get +10% crit by just playing psyker with the right choices on the tree

[near wyvern]

You want Warp Nexus + Warp Flurry on it. You get around 3-4 crits per full RMB with it, maybe even more. Perfect Timing has a 1 second internal cooldown for procs but still it stacks up fast with Purge.

[foggy breach]

noted

i have warp nexus 4 on one staff and warp flurry 4 on another staff lmao. both have a dead slot of hit and run

[sonic whale]

I have Warp Nexus IV currently (good roll) just gathering the Plasteel for advancing

[near wyvern]

They are all separate for all staves so gotta catch them all.

[foggy breach]

ik

[sonic whale]

Also I know I've asked before but any tips or maybe even a build for Warp Battery? One of my last few penances for Psyker

[foggy breach]

well you're not gonna be allowed to use your ult at all, so keep that in mind

[sonic whale]

Oh yeah I know that

[foggy breach]

beyond that it's just a case of kill an elite or special once every 25 seconds. there are a lot of ways to do that, brainburst is probably best, assail would work too

[sonic whale]

It's just hard to keep up the charges as it'll be the end of a Skirmish and then just before you can get the next elite kill it dips down

[foggy breach]

play with friends and plan to move fast i guess?

[sonic whale]

I'll organise them sometime then

[foggy breach]

i may be biased, but purgatus could be a good option because it covers your horde clear weakness and lets you focus more on brainbursting elites and specials

anothe good idea might be to go play on high-intensity shock troop gauntlet for the highest concentration of elites and specails

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver is a nice gun to slap elites and specials with, specially with the damage bonus warp charge gives

[potent echo]

With a purg you don't brainburst elites, you burn them all, burn everything

Brainburst only comes out if there's a special 30m away and you are twiddling your thumbs

[harsh urchin]

i heard someone tested with rending backstab

and it still works

it's like the exception

to the cap

apparently

[potent echo]

How did they test

[harsh urchin]

no idea

[potent echo]

Rending caps at 100% doesn't meant the armor modifier caps at 100%

If that makes sense

[iron flame]

If I am using surging and smite. Smite is for aoe right?

While surging is for specials and others baddies

[potent echo]

That works yea

[woeful patio]

Surge Staff is special killer

Smite is for CC groups

Maulers middling in a horde is dangerous to get near, Smite stalls the horde and freezes the maulers allowing your team to deal with them safer

[potent echo]

Personally I would take assail to kill hordes

[woeful patio]

Personally I would burn you at the stake for using Assail

[potent echo]

If running surge

Surge needs help

[woeful patio]

It works, but everything that isn’t VoidStrike needs a bit more oomf

I run surge 90% of my matches though

I love it dearly

[tawny raptor]

im a fan of smite voidstrike

[woeful patio]

And smite perks translate to it

[potent echo]

Smite/gun or smite/single-target in general is nice

[tawny raptor]

if only smite plasmagun

[woeful patio]

I wish EP didn’t increase its damage but instead reduced its peril cost

[potent echo]

Smite purg or smite trauma get outta here

[woeful patio]

No idea why they went with damage

[tawny raptor]

trauma aiming is so shit

[potent echo]

For smite generally you don't want to hold it down for too long, unless you going for the creeping flames combo

Or you just want 100% peril for warp rider

[woeful patio]

Smite will refund roughly 10-20% once you hit 100% peril

Very safe

[potent echo]

Yea but it doesnt do the push if that happens

Which is arguably the best part of smite

[woeful patio]

Push?

[buoyant mantle]

anyone feel like disrupt destiny should mark more enemy at once or more kind of enemy ?

[kind jay]

when you release smite after holding it a sec it does a force push on everything affected

but it wont do that if you hit 100

[woeful patio]

It should fucking work period

And not unmark enemies at random

[spice veldt]

and have the refresh mechanic work properly

[buoyant mantle]

this fr

[spice veldt]

it's hard to say what to add to DD since it's not even working properly

[potent echo]

If you release smite early psyker does a shove that pushes down most enemies

[woeful patio]

I watch a single enemy flash like a strobe only to kill it and not get a buff

Or watch a room of enemies flash at irregular intervals

Then none

[spice veldt]

i don't think DD is that bad even currently because its point cost is fairly minimal, assuming that your build requires true aim anyways

not as great as it could be, but for the amount of points it costs, it's not bad

[buoyant mantle]

most i encounter is like ,flash between multiple range enemy when they enter the range

[woeful patio]

I love the idea of DD but just like BB it requires friendlies not killing them

At least BB gives them a visual que not to be dicks and steal it

DD doesn’t

[buoyant mantle]

the only useful one is extended duration node

[spice veldt]

it incentivizes you to be out of position or greedy, which I like

too bad the glowing not working properly ruin this point entirely

[potent echo]

Straight up doesn't work on bruisers, I guess they only added that tech to scab stalkers this patch

[buoyant mantle]

the other node is tempting , but its wayy to hard to maintain when marking doesnt work most of the time

[lunar hollow]

the psyker tree layout is so fucking weirdly designed and i kinda hate it

warp charges having the worst blue nodes connected to its path

[potent echo]

Maybe it's intended

[woeful patio]

I dislike that the quell movement reduction is only accessible to smite or assail

[spice veldt]

i can see why they put kinetic deflection and true aim together on the right side

[potent echo]

Otherwise too stronk

[spice veldt]

but unfortunately, those two talents are really fucking good

[worn cypress]

con: BB enables dicks to specifically kill your shit

[spice veldt]

i'd distribute kinetic deflection to warp charge's branch

[woeful patio]

I still get KD on BB because it’s so good

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[woeful patio]

This is true

[buoyant mantle]

or they can make the stack fall off by 3 each time

not the entire 30 stack gone oof

[strong gulch]

BB gives them a visual que TO BE be dicks and steal it. 🥲

Actual tech to direct teamates to shoot the thing with a halo. 👍

[woeful patio]

I wish there was a way to mark priority targets but only for yourself, as when I mark enemies so I can see them through hordes or visual clutter most teammates are trained to focus them

[worn cypress]

fuckin drives me crazy when theres a room of 5 gunners and the vet surely has to shoot the one I’m BBing

[idle bay]

You can do it with RMB Assail. Highlight enemy head and wait for teammate to be a dick 🙂

[woeful patio]

I think one of the many problems is each class has talents based on killing species

Preacher might want a throwing knife back

Psyker might want a warp charge

Etc. Etc.

[jaunty onyx]

a lot of overlap yes

[woeful patio]

So you fight for them

Man if only assists still granted the classes benefits

[worn cypress]

yea but especially in aurics theres enough specials to go around

[strong gulch]

sleep assail strat

[woeful patio]

HMMMMM

[potent echo]

You know what you do in those situations? Just go to the alt path

[worn cypress]

kill the other specials you assholes

[jaunty onyx]

if only aurics gave me more plasteel I'd feel compelled to do them more

[woeful patio]

Same

[potent echo]

No more stealing if you're alone

[woeful patio]

Or at least better stat weapons

Gimme guaranteed 380 profane weapons idgaf

[potent echo]

Oh non auric, no wonder y'all stealing each other kills

[woeful patio]

Because even with good stats you need blessings and perks

[potent echo]

Not enough to go around

[worn cypress]

lol people still my shit occasionally in aurics too

[jaunty onyx]

Damnation still has enough but regardless of either, the better the player, the more they'll soak it all up

[worn cypress]

tbh I’ve killed other people’s mid-BB targets too w/o thinking about it

sometimes you’re just monkey brain

and instinctively kill the highlighted one lol

[wet belfry]

If im on a shooting role i have enough to pay attention to regardless of the BB

[jaunty onyx]

No biggie though, im still wondering why they went for a tree instead of more equipment slots for us to grind

[ivory wharf]

Surprisingly assail is still semi decent

[north cradle]

I think Assail has gotten better since the patch. Sure, the LMB is nerfed, but the RMB is a killer

[woeful patio]

Still doesn’t have a cooldown

Basically always available

[iron flame]

I feel so useless being melee focused zealot when there are assail psykers

[woeful patio]

Are there other kinds of zealot?

[iron flame]

Dunno... supporty zealot?

[brazen warren]

relic/corruption cleanse aura with flame grenades maybe

[wet belfry]

Thunder hammers tend to force zealot to stay more in ranged.

Otherwise i dunno.

[dense bramble]

Honestly its funny stealing kills from the sweaty zealot

[north cradle]

Disagree, I like being in melee even with the Thunder Hammer.

[dense bramble]

Trying so hard to imitate a fraction of assails power

[north cradle]

Lots of CC

[wet belfry]

I can understand that

but i still think thunder hammer just has more situations where it has to stay in ranged compared to other zealot builds.

[north cradle]

I think that's valid. Knife Zealot is definitely a crackhead in combat, and Catachan Sword Zealots have a destiny

[brazen warren]

crit heavy sword zealot takes all the assail kills before they can spot the pack

[north cradle]

I haven't learnt what makes Eviscerator Zealots tick yet

[brazen warren]

you just hear for the emperor over and over in a 3 second time frame

[north cradle]

I think I try to stick to what I think Psyker's role is tho, and that's killing Specialists before they become a problem

[wet belfry]

I would presume that eviscerator runs rampage, savage sweep/momentum.

[north cradle]

If I want horde clear, I'll grab my Illisi and get swinging

[wet belfry]

perks im unsure.

The combo for hordeclear is heavy > light > light > qq cancel.

[brazen warren]

combat knife columnus SG psyker emulating maximum crackhead speed to flank shooters all day

[iron flame]

I think I saw a video about it before. They got talent that reduce cd on crit. By stacking a bunch of talents that stacks crits. They would get bazillion crits hit on horde which makes the cd ready again. Soo as long as there is multiple enemies to crits, they just press F over and over

[brazen warren]

thats what the heavy sword build is, 8-10 ult casts in a horde

headtaker/brutal momentum for even more destruction

[fluid knot]

Same on Catachan Sword

thats just what crit builds be doing

Apart from that weird crit hammer build i tried, that was ass

[iron flame]

Still need too many brain cells for me since I need to do heavies into horde which is why I am playing surge staff / smite build I saw online atm

Only time I melee is to block and rez or I get surrounded

[prime elk]

how is assail on damnation?

[brazen warren]

ehh, its okay

team needs to be making space and holding their own for you to get the most out of it

[iron flame]

By the way eh ... what is the differences between auric heresy and normal heresy?

[brazen warren]

if that is the case it is quite good

[fluid knot]

Auric director has some of the chains took off it

[brazen warren]

auric always has high intensity too

[fluid knot]

You probably wont really notice the difference past the modifier in heresy tho

[iron flame]

ohh

[fluid knot]

A.Damn' it becomes a bit more noticable, A.Maelstrom is the hardest what the game offers

[iron flame]

Guess I will start moving to Auric for more reward i guess ? I sometime see like lvl 10s-20s in normal heresy which makes me feels like I have to do everything

[fluid knot]

If you dont wanna carry underlevlled players Auric is the way, but you'll still keep seeing people rough round the edges or new level 30s

[uncut junco]

Would this be good on a crit build?

I can still reroll a perk and blessing

[clever stream]

This is my exact build. Purg + BB. Love it to bits. Swap and weave constantly between jobs
https://www.youtube.com/live/UvAjCZlclw8?feature=shared&t=1447

BB priority, use Purg to get as slippery as possible and help as needed with hordes

[idle bay]

Idea of the team with maxed out Toughness DR in Coherency raduis, with Zealot and Veteran spamming their class ability Toughness buffs of CD. So not just team will have crazy DR, but also Also toughness to chew throw even with bullshit bleedthrough damage

[iron flame]

Wish I have 3 other friends to coordinate builds for a perfect murder machine team

Maybe can chew through that hardest maelstrom thing

[vivid merlin]

what's a good stave/build for playing with friends new to damnation? i am myself only moderately experienced and of average skill

[potent echo]

Trauma for sure

Trauma bubble to escort your friends everywhere

[vivid merlin]

is there some kind of synergy between trauma and bubble

[potent echo]

Well you literally create a safe bubble for your friends to tour damnation

[cosmic sigil]

Well, you want a power blessing. So either blaze away or pinning fire, or both for more dmg. But if you want to keep cavalcade, replace sustained fire with a power blessing and change crit dmg to flak or maniac (shredder is not that good against flak, but very good against maniac)

[royal granite]

the noise

[potent echo]

Bubble for anti ranged, trauma for anti anything trying to enter

[royal granite]

VRRRRM VRRRRM IM A MOTORBIKE

[potent echo]

Or you can just run anything and rush ahead killing everything

[uncut junco]

Thanks, I don't have any shredder power blessings yet but I'll look for em.

When I tried it on the gun psyker tree it felt like I have something like 85% crit chance

[cosmic sigil]

That is the way Shredder handle crit chains probably. If one element of the chain crits, everything crits.

Vraks 3 does the same with its bursts

[foggy breach]

how wide is your fucking monitor

[grave zephyr]

Hi guys. Wich one you think is better?

[foggy breach]

probably first one

[near wyvern]

Let me guess. They tested it with the Combat Blade and didn't take into account the fact that Combat Blade got now bonus damage when backstabbing.

[foggy breach]

wait it does?

[near wyvern]

Yes

[potent echo]

Yea innate 20%

[foggy breach]

spy team defense fort 2

[near wyvern]

Devil's Claw also deals bonus damage from behind I think

[potent echo]

Was this reflected in the notes?

[near wyvern]

Yes

[wind halo]

Anyone know how to use the Surge Staff well? Been using it for awhile now (non-exploit build) and it seems really underwhelming at its role of Elite/Special deletion.

[near wyvern]

Try the surge build in Atheneum

[idle bay]

Stack damage buffs. And then only really good shooting Vet can outkillyou on elites/specials

Warp Charges (full tree with mandatory damage node) and Perfect Timing node. Also invest in crit chance and you a good to go

[near wyvern]

Bonus points for Inner Tranquility

[idle bay]

You may also consider +5% crit aura

And if you go Crit - then Emphatic Evasion is must pick

You can show middle finger to shooters as long as you spam Surge or chop dicks heads with Dueling Sword that have Shred

[wind halo]

I didn't use Perfect Timing but I did have the other Crit Chance nodes and Warp Siphon (with Warp Flurry/Warp Nexus blessings), what I found its very unreliable if you really need to kill something high priority ASAP as you need minimum two charged shots and the targeting is shit.

[harsh urchin]

lul possibly

[idle bay]

It's very reliable - stack just pop up as you kill things, also 4% chance for Charge from any kill node (team also counts) - makes you topped at 5-6 charges 95% of the run

[harsh urchin]

then that means there's literally no point

to any of the tiers

of backstab

if it's capped

[wind halo]

I meant the targeting is unreliable, also what is with the lightning going into the ground

[idle bay]

And there is a speedy-retardo in a team that runs on shit-jet-stream from his ass and keep triggering spawns - then you always full on charges.

[idle bay]

Get used to it 🙂 Aim higher 😉 Jump Zzzaps!

Also you can always see sparks on legit target for Surge

Still better targeting than Trauma

[near wyvern]

Correct. Rending didn't have a cap before patch 13. I hope they rise the cap rather than nerf the tiers.

[harsh urchin]

they probably need to fix the balance of it

cuz certain ones like uncanny are a bit high

[glossy ember]

gotta stack all of them damage buffs, warp charges and perfect timing

[wind halo]

Do you pair it with Assail then?

[obtuse moth]

pair it with some sort of horde clear

[wind halo]

I'm now doing Surge/Assail/Illsi

[obtuse moth]

soulblaze venting shriek, smite, hordeclear melee, assail w/e

[glossy ember]

blitz is whatever, can go anything if you got a horde melee

i run devil claw/surge/smite

devil claw for hordes/parry bosses or ragers that are too close, surge for elites and specials.

smite is there for uhhh panic button/push away poxbursters with lmb

so not used often

mostly took it so I could get the -5% peril generation node on the left side while still going right side tbh

[glossy ember]

illisi good for hordes

u good to go

[wind halo]

Did you take the Warp Charge Peril Reduction over the Toughness?

[glossy ember]

yes

my toughness regens are the "on crit regen 5%" and "on quell regen 2.5%"

thats all i run

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1170823682768244836/image.png?ex=655a7186&is=6547fc86&hm=c97ed0809783aeadab294fad345136bf56c1d0eac0b5bdd5c3c2c0398a9c429f& here's what i used to run

if you go middle aura you can go shriek instead

[wind halo]

Perilous Combustion on its own is useful?

[glossy ember]

yes

it's like 10% of my damage in games

[wind halo]

i see

[glossy ember]

if you go assail you can ditch one toughness node and kinetic deflection

and take malefic momentum. Mind in motion isnt great unless you're using scrier

[wind halo]

alright will test this out

[glossy ember]

[limber tartan]

Oh damn i just realised that the burn stacks the damage buff from the other blessing no matter how far away you are from the target

[obtuse moth]

ye. i think soulblaze can stack it too fwiw

[limber tartan]

Yea but your damage gets buffed despite great distances too

[obtuse moth]

really good for the melee blessings like shred and decimator or w/e its name is

[limber tartan]

Yea but this works on ranged weapons too

[obtuse moth]

that take 10 stacks and drop off if you miss once

yep

[plucky flax]

Haven't lost a game with ogryn shield yet. Actually op weapon.

[vernal blaze]

oh.

oh.

[light quail]

grab it

[glossy ember]

show us the gamble

[light quail]

i wanna see how hadron does you

[vernal blaze]

my brother in christ

i wish i could

[bleak tulip]

time to game

thats all that tells me

[paper maple]

god damn best of luck with that lol

[vernal blaze]

its also on psyker so im not even sure if ill end up using it

but we ball i suppose

[bleak tulip]

I mean its still solid

worst case you get a good blessing on the second roll and you eat it

[fluid knot]

[orchid shadow]

I'd give you some if I could.

[restive slate]

You got more plasteel than diamantine... impossible

[plucky flax]

[royal granite]

you know i've been thining and i believe brain burst is a conceptually underrated power

[bleak tulip]

I mean Ive seen what that shild can do with brutal momentum

I am convinced already

[royal granite]

as in, we think it's boring because it's mechanically weak, not because the concept is weak

[bleak tulip]

I mean I think its boring because I used it a fair bit and there are people here who used it a hell of a lot more so maybe thats why people think its boring

[royal granite]

the lightning bolt and the head pop are extremely satisfying, along with the hand gestures

[bleak tulip]

it also hasnt really changed in ages

its always been pretty weak in higher difficulties

[royal granite]

i put in most of my playtime pre-patch 13 so i get it

but i think brain burst has the best feedback

[fluid knot]

I still wish the upgrade to it didnt just pop heads and gibbed the whole dude like Surge does

[bleak tulip]

it really needs to be balanced around its peril gain, not the duration of it chargeing

like make popping trash instant but it still generates peril obv

especially since there is no real gameplay reason to ever do it

anymore

[royal granite]

there's no real reason to pop trash anymore is the problem

[fluid knot]

I always thought that having the charge based on enemy type/HP would be way better ye

[royal granite]

i'd like it if the targeting actually ignored everything but elites and specials

[bleak tulip]

yeah but at least its instant, you generate peril and get a satisfying pop instead of "ah fuck wrong target"

sure

but that would be real silly

[feral seal]

What to change to finish it up? Roll over unyield or rampage?

[bleak tulip]

it already does prefer elites and specials in groups iirc

[royal granite]

accidentally targeting trash instead of elite/special has a GIGANTIC opportunity cost associated with it now, you waste so much time to overkill a single trash mob and you don't even get a warp charge

[whole oxide]

BB feels fine if you have EP/Resonance up, it's just the baseline skill feels really really bad

[royal granite]

i only specify accidental usage because i can't imagine anyone doing it intentionally

[whole oxide]

they should make the EP speed baseline, and have the EP buff do something else

[ripe crater]

I mean, both, but they don't even need to be changed, necessarily. Just tiered up. Though I would probably go with carapace instead for the perk, and if you don't use duelling sword for hordes, Rampage isn't gonna be very useful either.

[royal granite]

EP speed is 2 seconds and change, i agree that should be standard

[bleak tulip]

rampage is solid, I would probably swap out unyielding, but you gotta make sure you use it in a way that you get benefit from rampage, as in push attacking a lot

[royal granite]

but it suffers diminishing returns with the uh

[vital compass]

just comin back to play a bit of psyker, my old favorite staff to use was purg but to my understanding it's kind of ass now? Or is there any setups that still run that properly

[feral seal]

Swap it out for carapice?

[royal granite]

the this

[bleak tulip]

I dont think carapace gives any noteworthy BPs

[whole oxide]

i wouldn't change anything, you don't have to change stuff just because you can. leave yourself the option if something changes next patch

[bleak tulip]

at best you get faster mauler clear so depending on the staff you run it might help, I run crit

[ripe crater]

Purg is still fine, but not the best of options atm, imo.

[royal granite]

it's the weakest staff but it's not ass, it's still good

it's only weak compared to our other options

[ripe crater]

This is actually really good advice for that sword, since it's really great as it is.

[feral seal]

I'm smite/dome with void, non crit because I'mm still relatively new and don't have great gear atm

[bleak tulip]

with void I dont think you need cara since you wanna use void for it if you can

and mauler hits seem to always be flak with void anyway

for some reason

[feral seal]

I'll just leave it for now then

It feels fantastic to kill with anyway

[bleak tulip]

you can still three shot crushers with mk4 as long as you get one crit and uncanny stacked a little

[feral seal]

Trash hordes are easy and ragers/maulers are easy as well

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[feral seal]

If only my zealot could use it

Is regular damnation the best for plasteel farming?

[ripe crater]

Pretty sure auric has more plastreel on average

auric damnation

But well.. actually, I dunno.

[bleak tulip]

same cap

auric is just harder on average so it depends on if you win most of your aurics, they also have a higher chance of people actually trying

but thats pretty anecdotal

normal 5 is probably easier overall to farm with because its really consistent and actually hard to lose if youre doing well

[light quail]

tbh quickplay damnation

qp has the resource boost

[bleak tulip]

here's the nerd numbers

[vernal blaze]

@light quail@glossy ember

[light quail]

oh my god

all ya gotta do is swap out that lv1 blessing and you have a damn good chainsword

[fluid knot]

To be fair, i would wager Auric missions have a higher completion rate on average than normal Damnation because on the whole, people have to be better to play it

Maybe not massively higher, but higher nonetheless

[plucky flax]

[vestal fulcrum]

[wind halo]

For what its worth, I do notice alot of sub 30s in regular Damnation in my region

[idle bay]

Low-levels are not a big problem in Damnation - karking-speedrunners are. Instead of 800-650 plasteel you usualy end up with just ~550

[bleak tulip]

yeah thats what I meant with "people actually try"

Ive had more luck completing aurics because people are generally more competent it seems

[idle bay]

And i love good teams that sweep every scquare meter of the map for all know locations of mats and crates.

[fluid knot]

Yeah 100% man

[fluid knot]

Dude dont even.. had one that topped out at 400 yesterday, wasnt very impressed

[bleak tulip]

and yeah I also notice a lot of lv 24's and 31's doing damnation, which is fine and all but generally not condusive to fast plas farming

[fluid knot]

Was the only c*nt pickin owt up the whole game

[idle bay]

If i wanted 400 plasteel from the run- i'd play heresy. Speedrunners should be reported as griefers

[whole oxide]

is it worth taking 30% longer and significantly increasing risk of failure?

[fluid knot]

The thing is, if your team is competant, it doesnt really matter

If everyone is good enough to roam alone for short periods even better, because you know people are capable of scouring the map clean

[plucky flax]

You don't have to follow them. I always check every corner of the map for plasteels. If they go further ahead then they wait for me.

[bleak tulip]

pretty much yeah

its annoying you gotta do the work yourself but its the best way to be consistent

I basically get well over 600 every match because I at least check most places some might not know about and keep an eye out

[idle bay]

I took extra time to check and kill back spawns. And using voice chat - telling that i collecting mats and don't give a single f... about thier speedrun

[bleak tulip]

dont even talk to em, just collect shit, who cares what they think

if they wanna get a world record they can get friends to do it with c:

imma be a room over picking up tubes

[idle bay]

I'll be in my bunk with demonette's pict vids ™

[bleak tulip]

thats part of the fun, at least in my eyes

normal damnation is essentially risk free

[glossy ember]

wtf

[bleak tulip]

besides having a fresh player in there who just isnt used to damnation you gotta carry

but carrying is also easier because you get regular missions more often than not

[idle bay]

Low int + Dogs or Shock - also risk free runs

Though i preffer normal Dmanation due to huge melee spawns 🙂 Those are fun

[karmic fractal]

https://i.imgur.com/V7tWJUZ.png

Time to brick something!

[idle bay]

Omnissia bless this~~ Brick ! ~~Weapon!

921 hours of Darktide. Most of them on Psyker and i did not got a single 380 Surge staff 🙂

[karmic fractal]

oh my first 380 drop was a lasgun

Would have loved if the WR was a bit higher and the Quell a bit lower, but.... we'll work with it

[idle bay]

Just remember that most common reason of blowing yourself up with Suge - it's LMB spam , not RMB zzzaps

[fast fog]

hey does anyone know if you can do the cliffhanger penance with the upgraded ability

[glossy ember]

im jealous, pls post results

[idle bay]

Any pushing ability ... counts, right? At least it worked that way before, even push with FS

[bleak tulip]

pretty sure BR counts as BB for all penances so it stands to reason its the same with the push

[fast fog]

thx guys

[idle bay]

At least you don't need to push 22 enemies as it was before 🙂

[bleak tulip]

and yeah you can just force push em too

as long as they die from the fall you good

[idle bay]

I'm struggling to get Gone Bowling on Ogryn. I was stuck on 57/60 since ever. And after deliberate attempts with team help - it's 58/60 now...

Missing couple of zombies on the sides each time...

[karmic fractal]

you can watch me brick it in a moment

[fast fog]

can help you if you want i now a good spot for it

[languid osprey]

siblings how are ur curios looking? i have hp%hp%+1wound but i was thinking about switching to toughness

[idle bay]

Metalfab last stand? Where you purge 3 demons and then it's basically just zombie waves ?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

thats the last one I helped someone get it on

[fast fog]

na the skybrideg one wehr you need to geht the power cels

[bleak tulip]

just make sure you tell em youre trying for it

[idle bay]

Assemble zombe spawns from both sides and go bowling ?

[bleak tulip]

because thats a perfect void killzone

[bleak tulip]

I run H T T but one wound is fine for learning

[fast fog]

you can rund down ther is a smal balcon wehr you can just stack unlimetit zombis

[bleak tulip]

I would mix both tbh, health has more longevity but toughness gets more boosts

[idle bay]

Ah.. balconies... 🙂 Good hint 🙂

[idle bay]

I ended up with x2 Toughness and 1 Health

In case of Grimoirs

[bleak tulip]

its just good value to get at least one health since it scales well

[idle bay]

I don;t like going less than 1 wound beacuse of books

[languid osprey]

i feel like is mandatory playing with randoms on malestrom even having 200+h on psyker

[idle bay]

You not Ogryn. Just relax and focus on not getting hit 🙂

[bleak tulip]

I get 217 health from one curio and three health perks on them

[bleak tulip]

I mean if you do well enough you dont need any health, but having more toughness is really useful

there are times I dont take any health damage for like the whole match

[idle bay]

170+ Toghness seems to work best

[bleak tulip]

until some random thing walks up and I mistime my dodge or dont hear it

[languid osprey]

easier said than done when the 2 zealots are 30miles away bc they didnt notice the horde behind

ill try toughness then

[idle bay]

Bullshit backstabs from silent spawns that was not there splitsecond ago. No sound also

[bleak tulip]

thats when you stick with the other teammate that isnt a zealot

and if you get three zealots you just dont even clear shit you just run with em for dear life I guess

[languid osprey]

ah yes the dead vet

[idle bay]

There caring Zealots with Relic and Shield of Contept - those are not running away 🙂

[still hearth]

Yeah they are

[bleak tulip]

assuming the relic zealots dont get hit out of their animation

[idle bay]

Voice of Command vets are true bros

[still hearth]

How else will they get value from tanking

[bleak tulip]

the only way I can stand to play vet is shouty vet

[still hearth]

Shout is too good

[idle bay]

Psyker is only true tank

[bleak tulip]

such a thoroughly uninteresting class

[still hearth]

Okay tank an Overhead real quick

[idle bay]

Dodge tanking still tanking

[still hearth]

That's not tanking

Lies

[bleak tulip]

tell that to dodge tanks in MMOs

[idle bay]

In MMO terms there are a lot of kinds of tanking

heal-tanking, dodge tanking, mitigate tanking, block tanking, CC tanking

[idle bay]

Also facetank a gunner barrage while not moving (to dodge) and not sliding as Zealot :0

Psyker can do it while mass frying heretics

But true tanks to thier role are ogryns with taunt class ability and taunt passive.

[digital narwhal]

Dodge tanking is still tanking

[idle bay]

Thiere no tanking without taunting

[digital narwhal]

[digital narwhal]

You don’t need to Taunt to tank

[idle bay]

And zealots and psykers are only taunting thier own teams 🙂

[digital narwhal]

You just exist as an Ogryn and you can tank attacks

[idle bay]

Ogryns are good on Proactive Tanking. I mean heretcis can's hurt anyone if they are DEAD. Best tanking 🙂

[fluid knot]

Im of the opinion you shouldnt be getting hit as Ogg, but you're gonna because big, an that HP pool is only there as a buffer for you to do more stupid shit than the little'uns can mostly manage

[still hearth]

Zealot can face tank gunners tho

[digital narwhal]

Yeah.
Ogryns have insanely high stagger values, super high damage, massive inherent DR, and the likes

A proactive Ogryn is probably the best teammate you could ask for

[idle bay]

220 + Toughenes layerd with DR and 400+ health at same time

[ripe crater]

Lies. Surge Abuse Psyker x4 = best team.

[idle bay]

Untill someone in team have epilipsy

[viscid matrix]

you call it surge abuse, but Void and assail are no better

[ripe crater]

Well then they should be thankful they caught it early thanks to smite

[fluid knot]

Straight up, if you need bugs to compete, you're probably not a very valuable teammate anyway

[digital narwhal]

I just like using my Revolver + Assail Psyker :)

It’s fun

[ripe crater]

Assail with rending blessings is also abuse, but surge works better atm. Void is just void. With peril quell on weakspots, it's just unlimited void. As intended. 😅

[digital narwhal]

[glossy ember]

true! instead you should play with bugs that make things worse, like warp stacks not affecting scrier

[bleak tulip]

?? is this another "lets never use anything thats overtuned" so no plasma, no revolver, no heavy sword, no dagger, no invis, no rippy, no gunlugger....?

[viscid matrix]

on Void, the blessings Surge and Nexus crit that kills everything but monstrocities is so powerful, Surge needs a empower bug to compete

[bleak tulip]

just dont use any weapons

[fluid knot]

Fist only Maelstrom when

[ripe crater]

I agree, it does need the bug to compete. Otherwise it's kinda meh. Like purg. But without bug it can still be decent. Just... not like now.

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, Ripper Guns and Gun Lugger are no longer overtuned
They’re definitely very strong, but there’s a bug with Ripper Guns that’s causing them to apply burn stacks per body part on enemies when using Light Em Up

They got railed in with Patch 14.
So while very strong still, they’re not overtuned imo

[bleak tulip]

nice

[digital narwhal]

Just gotta wait for the bug to be fixed

[bleak tulip]

I still love using rippy

[digital narwhal]

Rippers are great

[bleak tulip]

but I dont play enough ogryn

[viscid matrix]

ill be very supprised if Surge empower gets fixed anytime soon, the change to void barely changed anything

[digital narwhal]

I’ve been a Ripper Enthusiast since December

[bleak tulip]

[fluid knot]

Idk man, i deffo see that one getting nabbed

[ripe crater]

Indeed. Since Surge is linked to Smite, it's basically just garbled up code (I assume) that isn't that easy to ungarble and fix.\

[fluid knot]

Its things like blessings affecting blitz' i see them struggling with

[viscid matrix]

cant really be mangled, when it specifies Staff bound Smite as the secondary

[digital narwhal]

It…

It’s still garbled

[glossy ember]

i'm no dev but i would simply copy paste surge files and rename them into smite

[digital narwhal]

I imagine they used similar code for Smite when compared to Surge, and so Surge benefits from the Smite enhancements

[ripe crater]

Thjat's what they did, but the other way around ^^

[idle bay]

At some point FS will be like "Kark it! We can't untangle it - EP Smite/Surge bug is not a bug but a FEATURE"

[viscid matrix]

they probably grabed the code, extended it to 6 enemies, cut the damage, but left it the same name

[plucky flax]

It's like chastise armour downgrade is a feature.

[glossy ember]

it's weird you can't get the 10% damage increase from the smite node on surge tho

[plucky flax]

It just works.

[fluid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[glossy ember]

emp and extra lightning do apply

but not the 10%

[viscid matrix]

well its hard to test, since you have to do damage during the half a second of surge secondary damage

[ripe crater]

Really now... That's +1 talent point for me.

[glossy ember]

[glossy ember]

thats what the pins say

i'll test it again in 10hours when i'm home

[idle bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPN0qhSyWy8&pp=ygUZaXQganVzdCB3b3JrcyB0b2RkIGhvd2FyZA%3D%3D

[plucky flax]

Since we have ogryns players here right now why unarmoured on shield? I already 1 shot all smol mobs with heavy 1 with just flak. With unyielding I can kill monsters faster with shield.

[glossy ember]

with the debuff displaying mod

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, Flak is the more important of the two, but Unarmoured is for when you’re not running a left branch build, to make the potential one shot of Scab Bruisers with H1 easier.

But if you run it with left branch, then running Maniac, Carapace, or Unyielding is fine.

[glossy ember]

it's nice to be able to still 1shs even at 0 hh stacks too

[plucky flax]

Okay I only use heavy attack keystone with shield cos it's too slow without attack speed buff.

I do 1 shot dreg bruiser and scab bruiser without any stack.

[digital narwhal]

I mean, it got some nice attack speed buffs with Patch 14

They used to be MEGA slow

[glossy ember]

[digital narwhal]

Then Maniac, Carapace or Unyielding would be fine to pair with Flak

[glossy ember]

i think my unarmoured on shield is locked anyway rip

[plucky flax]

Dreg bruiser you need to headshot to hit the flak head.

But it'll 1 shot.

[glossy ember]

I need 1HH stack in my case i believe

[plucky flax]

Scab bruiser I can hit head or body and 1 shot.

[glossy ember]

otherwise i'm short of like 10hp

[digital narwhal]

Tbf
I should test base Shield H1 without any skill points spent against Scab Bruisers since the H1 got a damage buff with Patch 14

But I’m out of the house rn

[potent echo]

Shield will always hit heads with H1 somehow

Magnetism

[digital narwhal]

Head priority to Ogryn weapons with Patch 13 goes brrrr

[plucky flax]

Yeah I have to hit feet to test scab bruiser breakpoint. But it does 1 shot.

So my shield with flak unyielding works well cos I can kill monster decently fast.

[digital narwhal]

Ye

I’d prefer Flak + Manic or Flak + Carapace myself since Bleed does mega damage anyway, and Shield H1 actually does stagger Monstrosities, since I’ve seen it proc Hard Knocks, and so Skullcrusher should be applied to them for more damage.

I coouuld be wrong about Skullcrusher though, so I’ll test it later to make sure.

[plucky flax]

I'm having more fun with shield than mk1 bully pls help

[digital narwhal]

I mean

I am too

Shield is my favourite weapon since the Bromentum change

[plucky flax]

Also if I'm inspiring others to run forward with shield and not just hold special block then its good enough for me.

[bleak tulip]

is the knife still the goat for ogryn

[potent echo]

Have you tried the mk3b basher

It's kinda really good this patch

[plucky flax]

No it's got good horde clear and monster damage with heavies I guess?

2 relentless heavies I think.

[digital narwhal]

No

[idle bay]

I still prefer Latrin shovel over other melee weapons on Ogryn.

[digital narwhal]

Bull Butcher is now the weakest Cleaver

[idle bay]

It's too symbolic to let go

[plucky flax]

But mk1 just clear elites so fast its hard for me to not use it if I play club.

[digital narwhal]

It’s not bad at all, still a very good, self sufficient weapon-

but it’s now something of a Gun Lugger weapon that you pair with a Can Opener Ripper or something

[potent echo]

I feel that krouk4 is the top contender for right side builds

[digital narwhal]

It is

[bleak tulip]

well thats exactly what I am doing so I guess im not doing it wrong at least

[digital narwhal]

Shovel and Krourk IV are the best Gun Lugger melees

[fluid knot]

Yeah IV is pretty stellar atm on any build

Big rate

[potent echo]

But basher is also really good

It replaces bullcher

For me

[bleak tulip]

and i did mean IV cleaver, not the bread knife

[digital narwhal]

Ohhhh

Yeah, Krourk IV is still the king for Gun Luggers

[bleak tulip]

gotta say after running mostly stabby implements on psyker now I wasnt really digging the ol sweepy anymore anyway

[plucky flax]

Do you just heavy spam for the bleed?

[potent echo]

No, it's light spam

Plus push attack

For big things

[glossy ember]

mfw my shield is unarmoured locked, forced to run unarmoured flak even though i run HH

[plucky flax]

Why would that be better than bb if you just light spam? Bb can get slaughterer.

[potent echo]

Bb is like not good now

Took it for a few spins, a struggle

Basher you get similar results plus you get the great push attack

[ruby narwhal]

So Bio-loadstone or Overpowering Souls?

I can't decide

i assume it's me that has to kill the elite?

[digital narwhal]

Higher damage to Bosses and Ogryns

Thunderous + Haymaker Basher goes hard

[potent echo]

I take 3b basher in my gun builds so it's SC and confident strike for me

Gun does the boss dpsing

[plucky flax]

My current mk1 club has thunderous haymaker.

[digital narwhal]

You should ideally have Thrust + Haymaker for Mk 1 n’ 2, but

Thunderous can work

[plucky flax]

I don't like thrust and holding heavy. My mk1 build uses the tanky keystone so I don't have extra attack speed.

I can never play any thrust weapon. So I never get on with thunder hammer.

[umbral helm]

there's a groove to it, is how I like to describe it

[digital narwhal]

You don’t need the extra attack speed really, especially on Clubs since they have faster heavies than any other Ogryn weapon due to the Finesse Stat

I often just take raw Heavy Hitter on most of my melee builds; the attack speed is just gravy.

[plucky flax]

Rare moment when a gamer apologises for sucking.

[modern bronze]

R u callista

[bleak tulip]

fake gamer

[idle bay]

I remember apologising "I hope that i did not sucked too much after long break" while looking at set of orange numbes on scoreboard.. 🙂

[plucky flax]

Yes I succ veri much.

[bleak tulip]

its learned dota behaviour, apologize even if its not your fault to prevent tilting the team

[iron flame]

Oh yea

[idle bay]

True Salt in Blood Players will use that apology as proof of admition of guilt for throwing match and then making report. Even if it was purely their fault

[iron flame]

Anyway eh ... anyone good some brain popping build? Figured I go penance hunting

[plucky flax]

If you wanna bb pick both sub talents then empowered blitz with 3 charges and elite kill.

[ruby narwhal]

Well thank you very much Mr BLunt don't mind if i do!

[bleak tulip]

might wanna check if you get all the dodges with that low mobility

(probably not)

[ruby narwhal]

i get 5

[plucky flax]

It's above 50% where you get 5. Although I think for force sword even below 50% you get 5.

Maybe some weird old codes from infinite dodges still present.

[ruby narwhal]

ok so hadron did this for me what should i change stuff to?

[wet belfry]

Fatshark said we would get comparable dodges to knives

Where are our 6 dodges??

[plucky flax]

Knife has 5.

[wet belfry]

Ok

[plucky flax]

Vet shovel actually have 6.

[vestal fulcrum]

Shovel is superior dodge count to combat blade - it has 6 ed

[plucky flax]

Insane mobility weapon.

[ruby narwhal]

any ideas?

[wet belfry]

I can understand that

Shovel naturally lends itself to incredible mobility.

[vestal fulcrum]

WS damage to Maniac, Precog to Uncanny