psyker-class

[fallen osprey]

But... they don't know what auric is, what are you talking about ?

[severe folio]

i hate orgyn

[fluid knot]

I mean its very obvious in Maelstrom, people go down an the director tries its utmost to forcewipe

[potent echo]

[half iron]

nerd.

[fluid knot]

Cheers, enjoy your company too pal

[severe folio]

no you dont

[half iron]

i like it when john ogryn calls me spark ‘ead

[potent echo]

If you say shield is cheap weapon they get angry

[fallen osprey]

Yes but isn't just the high intensity modifier ? Which is rarer in "normal" board

[dim parrot]

john ogryn lol

[severe folio]

if the orgyn i seen actually used shied maybe i would have been less than intolerating them

[pliant tendon]

i just killed a crusher on heresy with a perils of the warp explosion but i didn't unlock the penance. are crushers not elite enemies?

i feel scammed

[fluid knot]

Nooo A.Maelstrom has its own set of modifers and is always hi-int with extra bits on top

[fallen osprey]

As far as I know, only tier and modifier matter. But I would be glad to know if auric/normal change anything itself

[potent echo]

No it's like a secret sauce modifier that changes the things up like medicae charges or patrol spawns maybe

[fluid knot]

Its like High STG, but with x10 the STG

[potent echo]

Some medicae hardcoded to give 4 charges, but most are random

[dense bramble]

Maelstrom is fun.

[potent echo]

Or "random"

[fluid knot]

Not us Oldgryn, many of us still hate shield

[sturdy dagger]

Huh.

[summer prairie]

Not sure about that auric tension modifier, I remember that being specific to a few especially hard maelstorm missions (and not sure if those are all in the rotation)

[fallen osprey]

Tbh I only play auric, I didn't notice xD

[fluid knot]

Its slow, cumbersome, relies too much on bleed

[potent echo]

New shield is so braindead

[fluid knot]

Yeah not a very good weapon

[potent echo]

Mash H1

[severe folio]

why did you dig me up

[potent echo]

Everything staggers

[dense bramble]

Why though. I love having shieldgryn

[potent echo]

Even crushers

[fluid knot]

Just its not fun to play and is much less effective than a lot of our other choices

[dim parrot]

buries u again

[fluid knot]

It doenst even protecc the little uns, it only proteccs the Ogg

[potent echo]

Pre13 shield is just bad, post13 shield is way too strong

[sturdy dagger]

That's just the main point that might actually change my mind on wildfire

[fluid knot]

Which is like cool i guess if you struggle with ranged fire, but its not S tier like MKI Clob, Shovel and MKIV Cleaver are

[severe folio]

i see

[sturdy dagger]

I thought it affected everything in radius

[severe folio]

pygex have a copypaste

[sturdy dagger]

Yh

[severe folio]

yes

@plucky flax wildfire is not strong by itself since:

• it vanishes of target dies with only 1 stack of soulblaze
• it can only apply a max of 4 soulblaze stacks on a target
• it wastes procs by refreshing a 4 stack blaze on a target
• 4 stacks is not enough to kill anything on its own

Wildfire is only good if you have a lot of blaze going on already to provide you a headstart for your blaze damage or if you spam creeping flames with enfeeble smite, since enfeeble smite will close the gap and allow the enemies to die with only 4 stacks of blaze.

[fallen osprey]

It goes for everything being too "supportive". There is no support in this game, only DPS build with less or more support aspect, but a truly dedicated support build doing near 0 damage just cut output by 1/4 and rarely compensate. Just my opinion

[severe folio]

oh fuk

i pinged him again

[plucky flax]

[severe folio]

hi

sorry about that

[plucky flax]

Stop making me drop wildfire it's impossible.

Wildfire most op talent.

[potent echo]

Yea tide game is just DPS puzzle

[half iron]

drop wildfire for a gun, goofy

[potent echo]

They throw X HP worth of mobs at you, you must do X HP worth of damage before you get overwhelmed

[severe folio]

stack your stagger points on the scoreboard

[potent echo]

How you do it is up to you

[fallen osprey]

Lol

[fluid knot]

Ehhh, i dont know about that chief, there are a lot of ways to make plays that arent just related to DPS. But yeah, shield isnt really even that much of a support weapon, as i said before, Only protects the Ogg, Snipers can shoot through the shield and hit whoever is on the other side when its planted etc. Its major benifit now is synergy with the Taunt, but that can be done with anything else, its just a small amount more effort

Planting said shield is an absolute fucking noob-trap too

[sturdy dagger]

I think I join u in this sibling

More fire

[dim parrot]

lol good 2 know

[half iron]

gun is cooler than wildfire

[sturdy dagger]

Go play vet

[dim parrot]

never standing behind shield ogryn then

[half iron]

vet more like lame.

[severe folio]

you wont get more fire out of it, and thats the biggest problem

youre only under the illusion that your fire is spreading

[fluid knot]

If they plant it down in a doorway or summat thats a big tell that the guy hasnt really found his feet yet

[severe folio]

theres a chance that wildfire just dont spread 4 stacks to anyone

[fallen osprey]

Yes, I m not saying otherwise ! In team, I like to play psyker build with support aspect ! Im just saying that being lock on a support thing like shield or smite the whole time griefs your team. Using it wisingly still good

[half iron]

veterans don’t have mind powers, just miltarum terms and nerd stuff for nerds

[plucky flax]

People test in meatgrinder and say its bad but in a real game its op.

[dim parrot]

never witnessed someone planting it lmao

[fluid knot]

Dont give noone any shit for it ofc, let em learn, but its not the defensive "wall" a lot of people seem to think it is

[potent echo]

I think shield planters are slowly going away

[severe folio]

i actually have

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah no then you're absolutely right, overuse of support does indeed just make you deadweight

[potent echo]

Or I blocked them all, either really

[dim parrot]

pic or didn't happen

[fluid knot]

Lucky you.. Even now i see it a lot, and even in the hardest settings

[dim parrot]

lmao

[fluid knot]

I know one guy who plays shield very well, and one alone

[severe folio]

I killed that orgyn

[dense bramble]

I think its cute tbh. +farm whatever theyre blocking and covering their back feels good

[dim parrot]

covering it with what?

[fluid knot]

Yeah i guess it kinda is seeing the newbies learning, but still, it can often be highly detrimental

[dense bramble]

rope

[dim parrot]

sunscreen*

[fluid knot]

Just the fact it works how it does with the static plant is something that they really need to change because people will overextend, plop down the shield to save theirselves and now they're a sitting duck for disablers and the like

[potent echo]

I guess it's fine if you are running some ultra meta build that can solo the game, but if you are running that off meta stuff you might really feel the heat

[dense bramble]

Yeah a lot of the time they get sucked into the horde by a trapper and then its hell fishing them back out

[plucky flax]

What's good on shield? Confident strike skull crushers?

[potent echo]

Brutal momentum

And then you hold lmb

Magically hits all the heads in the horde

[fallen osprey]

Run with Grenade launcher ranged weapon and spam melee attack

[plucky flax]

I only use mk1 bully club on ogryn.

[potent echo]

Yea shield GG is the best

[plucky flax]

Other weapons too hard.

[potent echo]

That's hard mode

[plucky flax]

Wut you just heavy spam and call it a day.

Slap the monsters.

[potent echo]

Yea but horde clear is kinda eeh

Mutant dps also eeeh

And then you pick up krouk4

[plucky flax]

I play haymaker thunderous strike so haymaker helps with horde a bit.

[lunar hollow]

think the meta is BM/skrusher now

[potent echo]

Or shield, then that's easy mode

[plucky flax]

I don't like knife anymore man I prefer big club.

[fallen osprey]

But it's a fucking invasion here !

[vestal fulcrum]

SC and Brutal Momentum

[near wyvern]

I gotta say Psylot is just my favourite build now

so good mobility, so good damage

the only thing it struggels a bit are crushers

[plucky flax]

I'll try to make a shield with bm skullcrusher then.

[potent echo]

If you run forward, you kill all the enemies, get all the yellow

[near wyvern]

but as long as you always make sure there is an escape it's brilliant

[potent echo]

Make sure to only use H1

H2 poo

[fluid knot]

Not using shield in all honesty

[plucky flax]

How to kill mutie with shield? Does h1 do a lot of damage?

[potent echo]

Yes

[fluid knot]

It does damage

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

2 shot with bleed

[fluid knot]

Bleed is whats gonna be killing a lot of stuff tho

[plucky flax]

I've never picked up a shield on ogryn.

[fluid knot]

It is literally carried by bleed

[vestal fulcrum]

So, what weapons is that loadout using? Combat blade + anything goes?

[plucky flax]

Gonna download see through shield mod and meme.

[near wyvern]

the build is in my steam guide, right at the bottom of the guide

Psyker Atheneum

link in pinned messages here

[vestal fulcrum]

Heavy attack it like 3 times and hope it bleeds out

[fluid knot]

Dewit, and also, im sorry for the shit you're about to experience

[fallen osprey]

What weapons do you run ?

[vestal fulcrum]

Or throw a rock

Rock works, always

[near wyvern]

Combat Blade with Uncanny Strike 4 and Flesh Tearer 4, Columnus with Dumdum 4 and Fire Frenzy 4

[vestal fulcrum]

Cheers, I’ll give it a look

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah rock is my fav ogryn blitz. Shame no soften them up but rock is worth it.

[fallen osprey]

Hum, so you can deal with crusher 😄

[glossy ember]

h1 push attack.
Or use rock.

[near wyvern]

yes with a single one, packs you gotta take slow

[fallen osprey]

sure

[potent echo]

Soften them up only works with melee right? Or smth like that

[glossy ember]

applies only on melee hit

[plucky flax]

An ogryn with shield out damage my knife zealot meme build yesterday. But tbf I was the only one doing objectives.

[vestal fulcrum]

It does, yes

[plucky flax]

My excuse.

[glossy ember]

tbh u can farm hordes ez for damage with shield

since all smallies explode instantly

[potent echo]

You slap bleed on shield and it's

[plucky flax]

Yeah he got more horde kill than me and more bleed damage dealt.

[vestal fulcrum]

Was that shieldgryn using a Kickback in any capacity?

[fluid knot]

How to Shield; Bring Kickback and literally never swap to shield

[plucky flax]

I'm like bruh

[fluid knot]

[glossy ember]

bleed that's normal

skullcrusher bleed buffs itself

so he deals 40% more bleed

[plucky flax]

Shield rumbler so he's got way more damage than me anyway.

I was playing knife shotgun meme.

[potent echo]

Shield rumbler a little sus vs specials, but works too

[plucky flax]

I was the special killer.

[vestal fulcrum]

Just throw a ronk at your problems

[glossy ember]

it does fine vs specials except muties

thats why u bring rock

[potent echo]

It does fine vs specials that stand in front of you

[half iron]

rock sweep!

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d wager sniper-sniping capabilities of Rumbler are not that terrible an asset, either

[fluid knot]

And if that doesnt work? Well you dint throw it hard enough now didcha

[potent echo]

I prefer GG personally, but yea rumbler isn't bad if you know how to aim it

So that the grenade does good damage after

Also, they buffed GG melee damage

[glossy ember]

it's nice vs snipers/bombers since they're low hp so you can bounce em off walls, flamers/trapper it one shots them if the explosion lands on them.
Although with how far shield h1 reach you can just h1 flamers/dogs lmao

[potent echo]

Apparently very good

[vestal fulcrum]

GG is typically better against specials and elites, but Rumbler can also have incredible monster DPS

So… you win some, you lose some

I don’t like GG, but that’s largely because I find it clunky

[potent echo]

Yea GG is more consistent, but rumbler is just so strong it just blows away any "drawback"

[vestal fulcrum]

I can just whip out a Ripper and do the same thing

[potent echo]

Ripper V is

[plucky flax]

I use gg when there's no ammo vet.

[potent echo]

Why isit coded like that

[plucky flax]

If there is ammo aura it's kickback or rumbler time.

[fluid knot]

Ripper VI 🙏

[potent echo]

New kickback finally real

[fluid knot]

For a little while, then its getting hit

[plucky flax]

The tanky keystone is my favourite. I don't use the heavy attack damage or gun keystones.

[fluid knot]

There is no way they're gonna let Kickback continue as is

[potent echo]

Why rippers are far and away still overtuned

So is rumbler

If anything those getting nerfed first

[glossy ember]

if you play shield you should go heavy attack keystone, might as well max out your damage

[potent echo]

Yea that's usually the most popular

[fluid knot]

Nah.. Rippers are very strong, but Kickback is actually broken

[potent echo]

Nah you can't be serious

[fluid knot]

16 minimum pellet count, and 80% ADM vs Infested and Unarmoued at any range

[potent echo]

Kickback better than ripper?

[fluid knot]

Wayyyy better

[plucky flax]

Nooooo I'm squishy without my tank

[potent echo]

Ripper V with 5min pellet out of 7

[fluid knot]

You'd struggle to put out a mil damage with Rippers

You can do that easily with Kickback

[dense bramble]

Leave Ogryn as OP as possible. I like it when they carry me

[potent echo]

Crazy unbraced rof

Also ripper swaps faster than kickback somehow

[fluid knot]

None of that matters, Kickback is actually broken this patch, go do a few games, you'll see pretty quick

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes, but, while Ripper 5 has range, it generally also has a smaller cone of fire

And even if 5 min pellets hit

It’s not a guaranteed kill on many targets

Kickback just doesn’t care and can reliably one shot things over great distances

[dense bramble]

Its like a 100mm shotgun just let it be cool

[glossy ember]

you can literally run every damage node and still run into a horde of gunners and do fine

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m having problems with boosting my ego, because kickback Oggs outdamage me every time, even if they don’t go Gunlugger

[potent echo]

Perhaps, but a ripper glugger will win a kickback glugger in terms of raw dps

Alot less ammo efficient though

[fluid knot]

Nope

Kickback is like 1800 a shot or summat ridiculous

Ripper aint touching that

[vestal fulcrum]

With that said, I really can’t reliably outdamage pals with Kickback while I’m using a Ripper gun

[potent echo]

I'll go test later

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s just not possible with that much firepower it (the kicky) has

[potent echo]

Kickback goes for fire bullets?

[vestal fulcrum]

It can, but Rending is also good

Because it gives you effective range, by changing the ADM over greater distances

[potent echo]

I see

So if I'm testing boss dps I should probably take fire bullets?

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose so

It will certainly do more to bosses than Rending

[vagrant hollow]

can someone explain me how am I able to kill mutant on 1 hit with dueling sword on damnation meanwhile I cant do it in psykhanium? 🤷‍♂️

[potent echo]

Crit

[fluid knot]

Crits and or not hitting it in the face reliably

[potent echo]

Or precog

If you have that

[fluid knot]

Not to mention you'll have all your buffs an shit in game, whereas you wont in Psyk

[vestal fulcrum]

Or some other damage modifiers

[viscid matrix]

sometimes other players shoot the mutie as its running in

[cold geode]

Buffs from combat and teammate's

[vagrant hollow]

oh right maybe that heavy attack aura from ogryn can do it

[limber tartan]

True, in psykhanium there is no teammates soo you're not getting any aura buffs

[severe folio]

must have been the vet 3% damage buff

[potent echo]

tested, ripper can get faster kill time on plagryn (~10sec) if you use can opener, kickback needs around (~15sec). This is just raw theoretical dps though

[glossy ember]

wonder if that'd let me two shot crushers with surge staff

[sturdy dagger]

U dont already do that?

[glossy ember]

Not without EP bug

[pliant tendon]

i hate psykers man, bunch of noobs with voidstrike staves just spamming and stealing all my warp charges 💢

[sturdy dagger]

Coward

[plucky flax]

Okay I'll try heavy keystone. Need to craft a shield first though it's rip I only have 5k plasteels left.

[rare storm]

Had me in the first half

[sturdy dagger]

Me with 149

[plucky flax]

I used to have over 50k then hadron put on her biggest strap on.

Now I'm broke.

[cold oasis]

Whoever said that trauma blaze is good

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-kung-fu-trained-wrong-wimp-lo-gif-27152837

[plucky flax]

It's good. Why?

[vestal fulcrum]

So, is that a compliment to Blaze Trauma?

[cold oasis]

If that's good, yeah, please never go to auric

[plucky flax]

[vestal fulcrum]

I do not associate with this sentiment

But then I always play Auric, and frequently with Blaze Trauma, to decent success, too

[cold oasis]

After playing an enteir game with it, i can guarantee you, your sucess is not due to Blaze Trauma.

Not even by 1%.

[plucky flax]

1375k damage in 31 mins that seems kinda okay
https://youtu.be/8sj-V9yVPFs

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s never just one thing that contributes

[sturdy dagger]

Now post ur build

[summer prairie]

warpblaze is nearly 50% of damage when running blaze trauma and venting shriek. Granted venting shriek plays a significant part

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s a combination of things that just works

[sturdy dagger]

I swear to god if u dont have warp nexus or something

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-behind-the-scene-wizard-gif-20043758

[glossy ember]

???? I literally play warp stacks + scrier surge staff.

[cold oasis]

I honestly believe that going special attack with the staff would be like 50% as good as using blaze trauma

[glossy ember]

At 6 warp stacks and 30 dcrier stacks you STILL CAN'T two shot a crusher

[sturdy dagger]

Insane take

[glossy ember]

with surge staff

[frail sand]

the Emperor might be trying to tell me something...

[potent echo]

yea you cant

[glossy ember]

yeah it's bull

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, he certainly is trying to tell you that this is quite a bad chsword

[gilded radish]

whats the max ordo dockets you can get?

[cold oasis]

Thanks, you're right, spamming damage numbers with Venting Shriek is what makes Blaze Trauma good, you're right

[potent echo]

only reason to play chainsword? rev it up baby

[vestal fulcrum]

BUT that’s a Bloodthirsty for the sticker book

[summer prairie]

with just venting shriek warpblaze is maybe 20-25% of your total damage

[frail sand]

[summer prairie]

and up to 50% with blaze

[vestal fulcrum]

You have to keep the flames stoked, man

Blaze trauma does just that

[glossy ember]

Based. You only need top and left Heavy Hitter keystones for shield.

[vestal fulcrum]

While not sucking against Carapace like Purgatus

[plucky flax]

[sturdy dagger]

Very strange cope its certainly not meta but it seems solid and fun

Cant forget its cc is great

[summer prairie]

it's certainly a better blessing than the alternatives

[frail sand]

the rectangle shield is so funny

seeing a mutant bonk its head into the shield will never get old

[potent echo]

honestly... blaze almost never procs LOL

[summer prairie]

only 1/3 of the time

[plucky flax]

I am running perfect timing and you can see 5 stacks in most engagement.

[cold oasis]

How dare you be so reasonable, it's op

[potent echo]

like the entire pipe engagement i think i only saw one yellow crit

the rest is just trauma being trauma

also your team being utterly helpless

[plucky flax]

I don't choose my team I solo queue.

[severe folio]

require crit

[sturdy dagger]

Pretty sure the yellow crits dont display? Watch the buffs at the bottom though the crit one is constant 5 stacks even though I'm seeing no yellows

[potent echo]

like the entire 5:45 is just trauma + PC + creeping

yellow doesnt show?

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m finding trouble keeping this up, sometimes, but it’s been working well as far as I can tell

[summer prairie]

the build has a ~33% crit rate

[sturdy dagger]

Just peep there crit buffs

[summer prairie]

not sure why you are analyzing a video

also not sure what you expect the contribution of a single weapon blessing to be, but for any other blessing it would be less

[potent echo]

why not analyse

[glossy ember]

yday i tried and i think even with two crits the crusher had just a lil bit of health left. But that might be because i grenade cancel so

[potent echo]

its actually 2 blessings because you need nexus too

[sturdy dagger]

Is there a staff that doesnt like nexus?

[plucky flax]

If you just look at the perfect timing buff icon.

[potent echo]

my trauma is flurry shattering

[plucky flax]

If you see it appears/goes up it meant I crit.

[potent echo]

yea but like

how much value is that actually

maybe combo with PC you get some decent stacks going

[sturdy dagger]

I'm not judging it until I get blazing and try it myself tbh

[cold oasis]

DO NOT JUDGE. YE MUST HAVE FAITH THAT BLAZE TRAUMA IS OP

[summer prairie]

like I said, your warp blaze damage goes up significantly

[potent echo]

yea but by then the elites would have died in the 1 extra trauma that you were going to land anyway

[sturdy dagger]

Ur not even trying to argue against it just be quiet I beg

TRAUMA BAD GUYS

[potent echo]

scoreboard number big but in reality is it really all that good

[summer prairie]

warpblaze is very efficient damage

you've no idea what you are talking about

but seem very confident

[potent echo]

what do you mean

ok so you take 1 less trauma to kill

[cold oasis]

After a game with it, seeing how utterly pointless blaze trauma is and how rarely it ever procs, really, there's no point to it. If the counterarguments are "oh yes it's great" and "oh hey i spam my venting shrike and get 1billion damage"

[potent echo]

sometimes

like practically thats it right

[summer prairie]

you proc blaze once or twice and then shriek

everything has 12 stacks in a huge aoe

[potent echo]

yea but trauma already killed everything

[sturdy dagger]

Bluds not even reading the same chat

[summer prairie]

trauma kills very slowly

[crimson remnant]

Just get emp psionics and you two shot it, lol

[potent echo]

so the stacks just go into the ether

really?

[summer prairie]

blaze aoe applies everything in 8m

[potent echo]

yea i guess if things are spread out, probably better

[sturdy dagger]

I think it's one of those things that just excels in insane density

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma bad.
But I did good with blaze trauma.
Doesn't matter it's your build it's not the staff.

Okay

Veri good argument I lose it's bad pls buff.

[sturdy dagger]

I'd rather have a blaze trauma than a voidstike when theres 30 crushers

[potent echo]

hey flurry clears that faster probably

[severe folio]

i think i found out why i felt like my purg scrier is burning so hard now

[potent echo]

shattering doesnt have value for itself though

[glossy ember]

the whole point is to not use the bug

[severe folio]

it might have been because of malefic momentum

[sturdy dagger]

I really wanna see the other dudes build

[plucky flax]

It's okay people can play whatever they want.

If they want to cope it's okay too.

[sturdy dagger]

I wouldn't even care if he just argued for it rather than just being rude and ignorant lmao

[spice veldt]

trauma works against itself for clearing because of the stagger

[steel flame]

Hey, that's illegal

[near wyvern]

Yeah I tried scrier's gaze, it's not that great with purge. It beefs up your horde damage which is not really needed. It also beefs up your monstrosity damage but it's just so clunky to use even with Inner Tranquility

[plucky flax]

dats tru

[spice veldt]

the epicentre is nicely-sized but extending the radius to which you deal more damage is pretty neat

[potent echo]

Yea probably this, it clears up better than a flurry trauma

[severe folio]

cant escape the old psyker can we

[potent echo]

Also better horde dps

[near wyvern]

And malefic momentum should not trigger from purge or soulblaze kills as those are all warp attacks

[severe folio]

no they trigger after i kill crushers with mk4

[glossy ember]

shame malefic momentum stacks don't last longer

but then it'd be broken

[dark swift]

Anything particular I should change on this? just had this drop from a mission

[severe folio]

i really want to break from the old image of the old psyker

to use purg with something else that can elevate its power

[frail sand]

dammit now i want to craft a blazing trauma staff

[glossy ember]

woah

[severe folio]

infested and riposte should be changed to flak and shred

[near wyvern]

Good luck, it requires quite a specifc roll

[severe folio]

wait not flak

unyielding

[fierce crest]

i like flak

[severe folio]

what are the specific rolls for a fire trauma

[summer prairie]

Riposte is good too, could keep it

[frail sand]

crit chance and warp nexus?

[severe folio]

the thing is i dont think ds need flak damage

[fierce crest]

does help breakpoints for rager/mauler?

[dark swift]

So I've always wondered would it be better to go with IV Dueling rather than V Dueling since IV does more damage?

[sturdy dagger]

Blazing spirit warp nexus with atleast 80% blast radius I think?

[glossy ember]

is surge staff on crushers still a 3 shot without 20~25% carapace?

wondering if i should replace it with crit rate...

[vestal fulcrum]

High charge rate and blast radius are cool, but you don’t need them at 80. Anything above 70 is probably fine

Warp resistance high enough to make a full charge blast after 2 peril venting ticks from 100 is also nice to have for optimisation purposes

And damage is always good to have high

[sturdy dagger]

80% was recommended by the ceo of the build @plucky flax

[vestal fulcrum]

I have terrible damage on my Blaze Trauma, but it still excels

[plucky flax]

If it's not like at least 79% you can safely scrap it.

[summer prairie]

You don't need them to be high but they scale very well until 80, much more than stats typically do

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes, but The Sanctioned Man has a god rolled Trauma, basically

[plucky flax]

Charge rate is most important if you have to get 1 stat to 80%.

[glossy ember]

i saw a psyker named "asylum escapee" yday

gunpsyker with scrier

was fun

[vestal fulcrum]

And I’m from the camp “you can do just fine with suboptimal weapons”. Perfect ones will always be better, but you can make do with non-80 rolls

[plucky flax]

Bois I made a shield I am ready to meme

[glossy ember]

what the fuck

[vestal fulcrum]

Wooo

Solid

[plucky flax]

Heavy 1 repeat better than heavy spam?

[vestal fulcrum]

Not ideal, but fairly solid

[glossy ember]

Heavy 1 spam or heavy 1 push if you need desperate space

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s what I would do, I.e., only ever attack with H1

[plucky flax]

What's wrong with heavy 2? Is it less cleave?

[sturdy dagger]

Way less dmg

[glossy ember]

infinite cleave but low damage. good for not mixed hordes

[plucky flax]

Okay that sucks.

[severe folio]

wrong channel i think

[plucky flax]

Justice for heavy 2.

[sturdy dagger]

I sometimes heavy 2 and literally spin when surrounded cause u can drag the hitbox

[glossy ember]

non mixed just do h1 h2

[plucky flax]

Heavy 2 has infinite cleave?

[glossy ember]

mixed do h1

[glossy ember]

unless there's a flak or carapace

then yes

any armor makes it bump tho

[sturdy dagger]

But h1 spam is also better horde clear when there infront of u imo

Thig has range

[plucky flax]

Okay for mixed heavy 1 spam then heavies spam for trash horde. Seems good I am about to first time shield in maelstrom.

I'll use gg to kill specials quickly.

[vestal fulcrum]

Good luck, and godspeed

[plucky flax]

I tested heavy 1 spam on muties just now. It's so bad.

So I got rocks.

[sturdy dagger]

I heavy 1 spam everything ngll

Its just better

H2 exclusively when surrounded or for cc

[leaden lance]

As an ogryn if I see a blue glow on a random enemy do I kill or not. I only remember back before patch not to hit blue glowing heads

[severe folio]

you dont

if you kill it im hunting you down to the end of the earth

[fierce crest]

it either doesnt matter or you shouldnt

so default to no

[digital narwhal]

Shield + GG is a pretty great combo

[severe folio]

and i will eat your flesh sprinked with soy sauce

[digital narwhal]

Use your GG melees on Muties

H1 > L3 usually gets ‘em

As long as you headshot with the heavy

[mighty island]

What's a good build with a surge staff, daggers and shield 🛡? Like to see some SS. 🤍

[dark swift]

So for dueling swords IV is more for DPS and V is more defensive?

[severe folio]

dagger and shield ?

[severe folio]

i guess so

not that DS is ver ydefensive to begin with

[fierce crest]

its the most defensive

esp after force sword nerf

[severe folio]

fukk i lose out on the crit and range damage skill if i pick vent shriek

[leaden lance]

Ogryn strong. Can't beat me

[severe folio]

man THIS FUKIN SEGMENT

WHY IS IT NOT LINKED TO EACH OTHER

[glossy ember]

i love missing out on -peril gen !

[limber tartan]

I guess they thought it would be too good if we could do that

[mighty island]

Assail

[severe folio]

you dont exist for me

[fluid knot]

Ban!

[limber tartan]

Or they just thought to make it like this soo it looks different from other trees

[fluid knot]

[severe folio]

if this is what they think i swear to god

i

aaaaaaaa

[bleak tulip]

diagonals are cool

[fluid knot]

All classes have this issue in one form or another

[bleak tulip]

hey at least it's interesting

[severe folio]

nuh uh

[fluid knot]

Trees still need a little work

[limber tartan]

Veteran has 45 degrees

[severe folio]

every crossroad

[limber tartan]

Yo can swap at any crossroad

[severe folio]

from other class

sure going deep int othe keystone

but every crossroad

is crossable

just not for psyker

[bleak tulip]

veteran does have the endless talent holes at the bottom, that's not a problem we have to deal with at least

[fluid knot]

Its not just about the crossroad sections. Other classes have goofed placement, and in Vets case, its a fucking mess

[bleak tulip]

idk it wouldn't change anything for me since I don't have the points to spend on useless travel nodes so I'm fine with the current system

[severe folio]

just 4 more years

until they

perfected

20% more of the game

[plucky flax]

Bruh heavy 1 spam on shield is so cracked what the hell

[vestal fulcrum]

On that note

What do you not like about it?

[bleak tulip]

you can't go lateral

[vestal fulcrum]

I despise the fact that Crit aura cannot be paired with Venting Shriek

[severe folio]

cannot cross over from presience into shriek

EXACTLY

[fluid knot]

Aye, but every other aspect of it sucks donkey ass

[rare storm]

Well, Zealots have 0 freedom before any crossroads, but Psykers have unlimited freedom before crossroads

[vestal fulcrum]

Oh hey, the very reason I don’t like it

[severe folio]

the lack of cross over

[rare storm]

So I guess, ehh each class has its perks

[severe folio]

really fukin

limiting the potentials

[vestal fulcrum]

Like Assail users having Crit aura and shriek to save their sorry bums from succumbing to perils of the warp

[fluid knot]

It doesnt help

[rare storm]

It's to force players to use things they otherwise wouldn't

[rare storm]

Also this

[fluid knot]

If its not the warp, its some random Mauler

[limber tartan]

Assail feels boring to me

[rare storm]

Just get better and don't vent crutch

[limber tartan]

SImply do not like it

[vestal fulcrum]

I hate silent Maulers

[severe folio]

had to go like this which lose out the crit node

[fluid knot]

Dont see em that often, but every now an then i'll be an idiot and dodge into an overhead meant for someone else

[limber tartan]

It does not do much good from my perspective

[digital narwhal]

I mean… H2 is also good with the “infinite” cleave

[fluid knot]

But sloowwwwww Grond

So fucking sloooooooowwwww

[digital narwhal]

It’s decent with the speed buffs it got

[glossy ember]

nah its fast now

[fluid knot]

Hey look man. Some of us Oldgryns have to decry the shield

[vestal fulcrum]

I wonder if Crit aura changing places with CDR aura and then Damage to elites aura going into the old space of Crit aura would make for a more interesting tree

[fluid knot]

Me and Slab might be alone on this hill, but we're fuckin dyin on it

[vestal fulcrum]

Err, mistyped:

CDR to the left, Crit in the middle and Elite DMG to the right

[proven stirrup]

Real talk fuck leveling

[severe folio]

since they align every old skill into the left side

[vestal fulcrum]

Not a good experience

[proven stirrup]

Not at all

[vestal fulcrum]

Unless done with friends

[severe folio]

true

[fierce crest]

gimme ur pfp

[proven stirrup]

I'm so tired of having to be miserable everywhere outside of malice

[fluid knot]

Apart from WnR, which they fuckin REMOVED

[severe folio]

THEY NEED TO BRING IT BACK

[proven stirrup]

even Heresy is a wash 9 times out of 10

[severe folio]

IM GOING INSANE

[fluid knot]

Petition to FS when?

[limber tartan]

Yea that's why some people don't focus on leveling, they pop in straight into maelstorm damnation as soon as they can

[vestal fulcrum]

Oh yeah, I suppose that’s mostly the tendency in other trees too. Except for Ogryn Skullbreaker, for some reason

[vestal fulcrum]

Give me a few

[fierce crest]

ok dm

i go sleep

thank you kind rat

[proven stirrup]

Why the fuck would you do maelstrom ANYthing without a complete kit?

[rare storm]

I once quick play queued into a heressy hi-int where 3 lv30s got downed at the start of the map when I was lv17

Was a good time

[proven stirrup]

That's absolutely clownshoes

[severe folio]

right now

[severe folio]

cuz orgyn stupid

[fluid knot]

Rude.

[vestal fulcrum]

[severe folio]

fuk you

[fluid knot]

But not untrue

Yeah you wish pal

[severe folio]

no i dont

[proven stirrup]

The gear grind is rough enough, I'm kinda tired of pugging everything

I need a break

[rare storm]

Your break is the service to the emperor

[fluid knot]

Join VCs on the discord pal

[proven stirrup]

God no

[fluid knot]

Havin people to talk to will help with yer boredom a lot

[proven stirrup]

Catching errant slurs is not going to make me want to do shitall but quit permanently

I will just walk away, thanks.

[fluid knot]

Its not that dramatic in the VCs in here

[proven stirrup]

That's a lie, it's that dramatic literally everywhere on the internet

[fluid knot]

I can count on one hand the amount of actual dirtbags ive encountered in this game, its a pretty good community all in

[proven stirrup]

Well I don't trust like that.

[fluid knot]

I'm sure. But talking to randoms in discord doesnt exactly require much trust now does it

[severe folio]

if its dramatic then they are either drunk or young

[fluid knot]

Drunk adults being dramatic is just as bad as youngsters tbh

[severe folio]

thats what i said

[fluid knot]

If you reached your mid twenties an are still an emotional drunk, probably best you stop drinkin

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum

[plucky flax]

It's better horde clear than mk1 bully club for me.

[fluid knot]

You're being dragged to a dark place within the immaterium my friend, i suggest you step back a minute and consider your chocies

Fuggin shield smh

[plucky flax]

It's hard to see when blocking though.

I put on this mod but I'd prefer it to be even more see through.

[digital narwhal]

You shouldn’t block often, funnily enough.
Only when you need to block ranged fire quickly to avoid chip damage when in a tough spot, or to quickly scuff enemies that try to hit you whilst you’re in dodge recovery.

But yeah, Shield could stand to have a better visibility when blocking.

[vestal fulcrum]

FS really doesn’t want shield users to see much, do they?

This used to be an issue in VT as well

[plucky flax]

I am spoilt with clean force block mod with force sword.

[fluid knot]

And here was me thinking being blinded was part of the charm

[vestal fulcrum]

Can’t the transparency be customised in a way that doesn’t abuse the mod?

[glossy ember]

tbh it's not too bad, forces players to not block too much

[glossy ember]

go 120 fov mod, trust me

[vestal fulcrum]

Or, on quite the contrary, it teaches players bad habits re: shield use

Shield = have to block

[plucky flax]

The mod doesn't have a mod menu setting. I'll have a look at the lua.

[vestal fulcrum]

I see

[plucky flax]

Okay it's out of my scope.

[edgy finch]

im finding zappy psyker, or toasty psyker to be the most effective on damnation+ . not quite the level as old void staff, but pretty dang strong. any other top tier builds that ought to interest me?

[vestal fulcrum]

Blaze Trauma, maybe

[dark radish]

Somehow got a shock troop gauntlet where not even one boss spawned

[vestal fulcrum]

Damnation is technically 0-2 boss spawns, so it’s not out of the possibility you were just “lucky”

[lethal folio]

All gauntlet does is force specials to spawn in packs.

[frank fulcrum]

Does DH count towards that since its avoidable?

[dark radish]

is this good? kinda want to try Purgatory staff

[frank fulcrum]

Dumb question prob but its good to know

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t think it’s the same type of trigger, but I don’t know the code in detail, either

[dark radish]

oh yeah got 2 DH spawn

we just never aggro it

[vestal fulcrum]

No dumb questions are ever asked, maybe stupid answers can only commence

Like mine. I want to better understand the source code, but I don’t know where to start, even

[hardy coral]

gotta love when you're on a nice No downs Streak in Damnation and you feel inclined to help your teammate who's downed by 3 Crushers but a Crusher ignores the stun from a Dualing sword and smites you with Baulder.

[obtuse walrus]

Why block with shield

just use mind to block bullet

you can see through it

[rare storm]

[obtuse walrus]

Deflection IV ❤️

[hardy coral]

i use sharp pockey sword to stab throat, works better. especially when you do 1000 damage a hit.

[rare storm]

Anyone here tried the accatran lasgun btw? Worth the gamba for a good one?

[cosmic sigil]

Do you use the duellist sword in a gunker build?

[rare storm]

You can

[cosmic sigil]

What load out / build do you recommend?

[hardy coral]

mines an Asail/Soul blaze build, so no idea, but it works great.

[cosmic sigil]

Ok

[rare storm]

You can run whatever you want, illisi works for good horde clear, deimos too for bossing/special kills

[hardy coral]

i do have a really good flame staff too which destroys hordes, even when i hit 100% peril i just purge it all into the horde with a sneeze.

[rare storm]

this is mine for a dueling / vraks 7 build

I don't really use the blitz, I just let flayer proc whenever it feels like it, it's fun when it does

[hardy coral]

it saves me a lot when i get surrounded as well as teammates who're pounced on by dogs since you can use it from like 30m away and it still pushes them off.

[cosmic sigil]

I am an illisi user mostly on my psyker but I want to change a bit the playstyle

[rare storm]

keep in mind this is abit more of a melee build tho, to go fast and poke specials/dd targets with scriers on and setting everything on fire, but it works fine using gun only

[hardy coral]

i found out you can just spam heavy melee then special melee with Duelist sword and it just constantly stuns things.

[rare storm]

Yes sir

The follow up time is stupid

[hardy coral]

it is quite funny though when you've got a Mutant charging at you and you accidentally jump instead of dodge but Heavy poke at the same time and you one shot the Mutant.

[rare storm]

This is why I have dodge always on

[severe folio]

does it have 15 flame stack and 15 radius, 13 effective range ?

[potent echo]

should be golden

you want 76% burn or higher

@near wyvern have you tested if damage% on purgatus does anything?

[summer prairie]

%ranged dmg node buffs direct damage but not sb

[potent echo]

because of rounding i think lmb/rmb damage isnt that much affected

the main thing is "Secondary burning intensity" which idk what that means

[sturdy dagger]

huh? that a settings? i just rebinded my jump

[summer prairie]

I think the secondary action burning intensity is just how often the direct damage can be applied to the same target

it's like dot application rate but for direct damage

[rare storm]

Yes, you can enable dodge without any directional input. or back dodge if only pressing jump/dodge key

[severe folio]

which one is better

[summer prairie]

left

[sturdy dagger]

id say left aswell

though i have 5% crit chance on mine cause im insane

[potent echo]

left for sure

[summer prairie]

maniac damage is kind of whatever though

[potent echo]

crit damage lmao

maniac damage is nice, unyielding not important if you have it on melee

i used to run flak/crit but maniac has been really nice

[visual adder]

💀

[summer prairie]

on a purg it's not ideal

[severe folio]

alright

[summer prairie]

mostly does something vs dreg ragers

[hardy coral]

sometimes it worth having Maniac Dmg% since Ragers just run right through the flame staff sometimes just to smack you.

[digital narwhal]

I wish FS would eventually rework the Staff M1s

[hardy coral]

i want the flame staff to leave blue napalm all over the ground for a short period of time.

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus becoming something like a mix between Flamestorm and Coruscation would be cool tbh

[severe folio]

true

[dim parrot]

rue

[carmine agate]

any1 got a trauma build?

[obtuse walrus]

Remember. Everything is Viable

Use whatever the fuck is fun

If it ain't fun, it ain't viable to you

[hardy coral]

i just want to piss Napalm like the Pox Flamer that covers the floor.

[viral inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

that's what I get for leaving psyker chat open

[plucky flax]

Bruh about to enter the lift to end event of maelstrom and got mission aborted.

[hardy coral]

[idle aurora]

at this point i believe they have this shit as RNG feature

I haven't seen in it for several month, inb4 in will happen today

[plucky flax]

It doesn't happen that often but when it does it sucks hard.

And it always happen when you're near/at end event to piss you off even more.

[severe folio]

not lookin bright fellas

looking for that maniac and unyielding but now im not sure if i will have uncanny

[cinder moon]

i'd stop there tbh

look for a new base

unless you're blessing hunting, in which case, send it

[severe folio]

damn

its that hopeless huh

[near wyvern]

the damage roll? it gives more direct damage which is quite poo poo

spicy maelstrom

[severe folio]

man why do the chinese players like to charge into the horde, die, then left so much

i kept getting these damn idiots

[plucky flax]

What server are you on?

[severe folio]

shit really testing my patient

i think im in asia, thats the one with the least lag for me

[plucky flax]

Asian server gaming.

[severe folio]

are they dogwater

[plucky flax]

The rare chinese players I get in europe are actually decent.

[severe folio]

well the one i got today are comparable to sewage water

[plucky flax]

It's okay 85% of the time european auric pubs are super sus too.

[cinder moon]

you want a mkiv with more mobility anyway, look for cleave as a dump stat

[carmine agate]

i need a good illisi

[near wyvern]

that's pretty easy to get, get something with high damage and slap slaughterer + uncanny strike on it

it's not that perk dependant

[cinder moon]

deflector tho

[near wyvern]

no need

[carmine agate]

what would u change for this?

[cinder moon]

sometimes it's nice being able to walk up to a bunch of guys just shooting at you

[near wyvern]

it's always safer to go for a cover and you can do that by sprint slinding back to back

also makes you reach the cover faster

which allows you to reatliate faster

[cinder moon]

i know how to get to and use cover

but it's still nice to have deflector in certain situations

especially on a weapon as safe as illisi

[near wyvern]

roll both blessings, uncanny strike + slaughterer

finesse is a bit low unfortunately and that warp resist is not really needed but it will surely sever you well until you get one with more optimal stats and perks

[plucky flax]

I also really like deflector. 👍

[cinder moon]

the builds where i use illisi generally need some kind of safety net, for which deflector is perfect

[near wyvern]

not really needed

https://youtu.be/A9xe_s2MUZghttps://youtu.be/A9xe_s2MUZg

[cyan notch]

its just preference

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's not a real game with a massive open space.

Slaughterer is enough damage to horde clear for me I don't need uncanny.

[near wyvern]

with open space this is even easier

[cinder moon]

just spam empowered heavy for horde clear, illisi doesn't need anything besides slaughterer for damage

[summer prairie]

that's a video show casing super safe gameplay vs gunners, not exactly why you go for deflector

deflector certainly has more utility for me on average than other blessings

[near wyvern]

when I go aggressive I go combat blade + assail

[cinder moon]

assail 🤡

[near wyvern]

you can weave assails in while sprint sliding to stagger enemies

[vestal fulcrum]

Pygex, I’ve got a question for you

[near wyvern]

ask away

[plucky flax]

I mean in a real game when it's not that massive open space to slide around.

[vestal fulcrum]

What’s the argument for +Unyielding on Deimos?

[near wyvern]

yes, you can just take a corner sooner

[vestal fulcrum]

In re: to the Athaneum

[near wyvern]

if you want to spec it for monstrosity damage

[plucky flax]

Every time I don't have deflector I hold up block then get shot.

Never again.

[near wyvern]

you don't really need anything else than +maniac on it so the second perk is a bit of a preference

[limber tartan]

I feel like the idea of assail is good but the execution is poor, i simply do not find it worth using

[vestal fulcrum]

Would the optimal monster damage be heavy special to the face, or L1H2?

[zinc phoenix]

Me when it’s a long narrow corridor with a bunch of shooters: “based deflector time”

[cinder moon]

95% of the assail psykers i see are worthless

the other 5% are working too hard

[near wyvern]

when we are talking about Deimos and optimal damage the answer is always L1H2 regardless of how many and what you are hitting

[vestal fulcrum]

So the special attack is a noob-trap basically

[near wyvern]

plus it also allows you to dodge at the same time

yes

there are only two use cases for the Deimos special

[vestal fulcrum]

[cinder moon]

deimos special is for deleting muties in a driveby

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad surge staff wasn’t turned into a melee weapon

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s what I use it for, most of the time

[limber tartan]

Its like its trying to hit that weird niche between popping one target and affecting the half of the map

[zinc phoenix]

Picture lightning whip melee weapon please

[near wyvern]

1. you are playing purgatus and everything else is dead except those couple crushers, special up on one face to quickly stack up uncanny if it's safe

2. scab captain nuke after shield is gone

[vestal fulcrum]

Hm, so the special attack can stack Uncanny on each damage tick?

If it’s performed on a weak spot?

[summer prairie]

yes

[vestal fulcrum]

Huh. TIL, I suppose

[zinc phoenix]

That’s so dumb Alexa play dumbspacito

This game is such a kludge of weird special case rules

[summer prairie]

special activation light vs bulwarks is ok too if they have the shield up and you are just engaging

[cinder moon]

have you tried working in staff special attacks to your kit? they're actually kinda useful

moreso after the recent buff

[zinc phoenix]

I’m never going to remember

I have trained myself to never use staff special since release because it was a commit sudoku button

[vestal fulcrum]

Cheers for sharing, by the by!

[hardy coral]

Psykinetic's Wrath works great with Purgatus Staff since you can just hit 100% Peril and sneeze on the enemies and stack soul blaze on enemies 20m away.

[rare storm]

Does purgatus work against scab captains at all?

The damage done to the shields is only the damage of the staff itself ya, not any soulblaze

[near wyvern]

No it isn't

You can just H2 them on drive by

[cinder moon]

empowered ensures they're dead

[hardy coral]

Purgatus staff should work fine on the Boss Monstrocities in the Assassination missions if that's what you're talking about. i usually sit there and clear the pox walkers that spawn for the team and stack some soul blaze on the boss.

[severe folio]

the codex does say the soulblaze work on his shield

[rare storm]

Yeah when I do assassination missions I usually just clear out space for the team instead of focusing the boss

[severe folio]

purg staff killing

[rare storm]

Hm I see

[normal matrix]

I run a weird build that gives me hella quick BB so i always top damage bosses

That and elite kills

[severe folio]

what kind of weird build

shriek + EP ?

[rare storm]

nothing for psyker is weird

[normal matrix]

Double shield, 10% CDR aura, ability CDR and EP

[severe folio]

what is quickening again

[normal matrix]

Coupled with BB's "faster BB on ability use" augment

[rare storm]

That's a pretty much what the boss focused BB build is

[normal matrix]

I mostly use it for supporting the team, who is often a bunch of dumbass pubbies with the cohesion of headless chickens

It does just so happen it does a lot of damage to bosses

[cinder moon]

i like voidstrike for carrying, just hearing KRK-KRK-BOOMs all the time

being able to stunlock plogryns with headshots was hilarious

[digital narwhal]

@near wyvern @plucky flax Out of curiosity, do you guys prefer to dump Warp Resistance or Quell Speed for your Staves?
I'm wanting to know if I'm wrong about something.

(Pingin' you guys since I know you're like... the Psykers)

[severe folio]

the codex should tell about staffs dump stat'

[olive ember]

Warp res is generally better than quell speed

[severe folio]

for normal trauma staff, both warp resist and quell speed can be consider dump stat

for fire trauma, damage apparently can be consider a dump stat along with quell speed

for purg staff, damage and quell speed

for surge staff, critical bonus ?

🤔

for voidstaff, blast radius is the dump stat

[potent echo]

i like quell speed for staves more

mainly purg and flurry is kind of weird, the combo time is actually quite sort

[severe folio]

well looks like majority of the staff dont have quell speed as dump stat

[potent echo]

also warp resist should be dump because how else you gonna build to 80% for shriek

[summer prairie]

If you dump quell speed to 50, you quell around 4 less peril per tick. Dumping WR with trauma to 50 is around 3.5% more peril per cast, but you are going to have an easier time doing a full charge with trauma when quelling from 80 with 80 quell speed than with 80 wr

[potent echo]

thats trauma

[severe folio]

cant wait till we can actually dump some stat down

and raise others up

[summer prairie]

I prefer quell speed but haven't done any indepth analysis or anything

[potent echo]

for purg i like to ride 80% for nexus, so quell speed for me as i can do 2 cast, with the 2nd cast being at 95% and capping at 100%

[severe folio]

would say instead of quell speed maybe warp resist will make you feel more different

since that should affect how often you blasting

while the other affect how fast you reload

i would personally pick being able to blast longer over reload faster

[potent echo]

nexus benefits for high peril

[severe folio]

and theres that

[potent echo]

usually for purg you cant build the peril fast enough if you run all CD talents for shriek

or you want to build to 80% from scrath

[severe folio]

you are going to build to 80 from scratch regardless

[potent echo]

so low peril resist gives you "more dps" by reaching nexus faster

also lets you dump creeping flames at will more

[severe folio]

and from 0 its not like you are horribly losing out compare to at 80

[potent echo]

but thats my playstyle so 🤷

pygex probably values sustained casting more

[severe folio]

pygex value the warp resist more than the quell speed on the codex yes

oh wait

[potent echo]

yea he does

[severe folio]

maybe this is why this purg staff of mine is building peril so fast

its 69 warp resist

[potent echo]

purgatus + uncanny does some pretty insane boss damage. purgatus / deimos run

[severe folio]

67

[potent echo]

my warp resist is 30%

[severe folio]

that is too low for my taste

[potent echo]

fast build fast nexus

fast dump gg ez

[severe folio]

unless i can twist my stat around on this staff

i rather not expecting to see a warp resist 30 on brunt

because thats just a leap of faith

hehe trauma with transfer peril

[normal matrix]

Ive been loving voidstrike staves recently, bowling through hordes of poxwalkers is very satisfying

[silent coral]

been trying assail with pergatus, i really like it the ranged aim mode gives me better poke i feel than if i was running brain burst

[rare storm]

wow just had a really weird bug happen on a run

I swapped loadouts at the start of the match but somehow.... it merged my previous one and the loadout I swapped to

running DD and trauma was not fun at all lmao

[umbral helm]

build convoluted by the warp

[rare storm]

The demons had taken over

[umbral helm]

me when my 12th BB attempt has been stolen by other people who attack the glowy thing because it's glowy (this will continue and I will do nothing)

[rare storm]

ngl that's me sometimes on my dd gunker

I play it like I'm playing aimlabs, the moment anything glows I shoot it

[static needle]

How do you most easily complete the Warp Battery penance?

[umbral helm]

you kinda have to be a kill gremlin with DD though so it's fair. until they change how it works at least

[rare storm]

Run maps that have shock troop gauntlet mods + maps with little to no elevator sections

[digital narwhal]

Hoping for another buff to Smite whenever the next patch hits, and then a buff for Surge when the Smite interactions are fixed

🙏

[static needle]

and how does maintaining the warp charges work?

[rare storm]

Also pray the game doesn't know you're trying to do warp battery

because sometimes the director just decides to throw a giant horde at you then complete silence and you lose a charge

[rare storm]

Ideally you'd want to stagger killing elites when your charge is close to disappearing

and hope it doesn't get stolen by a teammate

[umbral helm]

whatever highest stack is, 4/6, keep it at that number for the duration listed in the penance

[rare storm]

but when it DOES get stolen you pray that vampire procs and you get the charge mantained

[static needle]

can someone pls explain the intricacies of maintaining warp charges?

[spare shore]

Kill elites to get charges

[rare storm]

I literally just typed it out 2 sentences ago

[spare shore]

Dont use ability

Win

[static needle]

does ability use deplete warp charges?

[spare shore]

Yep

[rare storm]

it uses all of it

[static needle]

all the abilities?

[rare storm]

yes it's the nature of warp charges

[spare shore]

Read the keystone, it explains it all

[rare storm]

Bro just read the node

[umbral helm]

really need to change that to be a node you spec into rather than one that's mandatory

[spare shore]

Agree

[static needle]

should i run brain burst then to kill elites?

[rare storm]

Whatever you're comfortable with

[spare shore]

Personal choice

[umbral helm]

ability use dumping all the warp charges really limits some setups I might go for that'd use warp charges for damage, doesn't have that good game-feel

[rare storm]

If they change it out, then it just becomes a flat damage buff, which would then be a "meta" choice

I feel it's fine as is

[near wyvern]

Depends on the stave.

[rare storm]

Also you gain stacks, insanely quickly

[umbral helm]

it works as is, I just liked having the choice not to before. there's merit for both routes

[rare storm]

It's meant for caster-esque builds where people want to spam skills anyway

[digital narwhal]

Well, let's say, for Surge and Trauma, then.

[rare storm]

if you really just want damage... then DD

Also cheaper talent point wise

[near wyvern]

You can see my recommendations in the Atheneum, link is in the pinned messages

[digital narwhal]

Cheers

[summer prairie]

with surge you ideally want high enough wr and quell speed both to do a full charge after 1 tick of quelling from 100

[umbral helm]

I do, I guess I just miss old system a bit where it was an option rather than forced. it's honestly principle more than anything, I don't like being shoehorned into things, but it is what it is.

[summer prairie]

quell speed a bit better for that

[crimson remnant]

Made a really good surge… crit could be better

[summer prairie]

but probably easily achievable either way if you run warp charges and flurry

[vestal fulcrum]

Crit bonus is not the biggest deal on Surge

So don’t worry about it all too well

[crimson remnant]

Im new to psyker, invested into making a good surge, because i find it fun to play. What Should i go for now, trauma? Voidstrike?

[digital narwhal]

Trauma imo
It's a pretty safe option

It'll help keep you safe whilst learning more about the Class

[near wyvern]

What do you want? More control or good damage at all ranges + ability to bully monstrosities?

[humble bolt]

Trauma psykers are the most helpful

[near wyvern]

Can be also the most painful to play with if they starve melee zealots and ogryns

[digital narwhal]

^

Trauma can be incredibly strong, but some players are

annoying with it

[humble bolt]

That's fine as long as they keep the crusher and Mahler and rager packs stun locked

I'll find something else to melee

[rare storm]

How do I not be annoying with the trauma

[digital narwhal]

Doesn't throw enemies behind your teammates with the blast and don't use it at your teammates' feet unless they're in danger.

[rare storm]

Does it actually do damage to people

ah the ol'knockback staff

okay ye

[digital narwhal]

No, but it starves them of melee related benefits

[rare storm]

I see

Ye that makes sense

[static needle]

What is a map with lots of frequent action and no elevators?
Im trying to do the warp battery penance

[near wyvern]

Don't place the epicenter at your melee zealots & ogryns feet if they are just keeping trash at bay.

Either behind them or in front of them and bonus points for feeding elites directly in front of them. Also blasting far away to enemy backline and ranged units is fine.

[rare storm]

What if I'm playing rending trauma and my ogryn/zealot goes towards the crusher pack and I blast them

Will my thought process of "this will probably help them" apply

or is it still an annoyance

[near wyvern]

The rending effect is the same across the whole explosion, even the outer radius. So those that get only slightly staggered by your blast still get the full Brittleness debuff.

[rare storm]

Yes it's based on the charge time ya

[near wyvern]

Yes nothing else

Ans when it comes to crusher packs

[rare storm]

Time to build the smallest possible blast rad trauma rending for least annoying support

[near wyvern]

The more you can keep them like this: the better

[glossy ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/rqX76uqJn4 isnt this a godroll for void staff

[umbral helm]

timing, placement, and the attitude of your teammates are all factors I'd guess. the last one especially

[near wyvern]

Stat wise yes, perks could be better but it will make a fine surge void

[frail sand]

i did not know trauma could get surge blessing

[rare storm]

yee but... it's on a trauma

[plucky flax]

Depend on the staff. For purg it doesn't matter. I don't play void. For trauma I prefer having high quell speed. For surge I prefer having high warp resistance. Ideally both of those stats if high are nice though.

[static needle]

are shards good for killing specials/elites?

[limber tartan]

Blast radius is pretty important on that one

[near wyvern]

Oh fuck I quickly thought it was a void

For trauma you want high blast radius

[limber tartan]

Since you wont really be doing huge damage, rather just keeping enemies where you want

[rare storm]

it was not lmao, I'm pretty sure that's why the guy was so pissed

RIP indeed

[umbral helm]

surge on trauma is funny, and I was honestly disappointed it didn't double the blast of the secondary, though understand why it doesn't

[limber tartan]

And attempting to funnel them directly into the meatgrinder that your frontline is or to disrupt

[rare storm]

Missed potential tbh

Would have been pretty sick to hear like a drum blasting

[glossy ember]

OH

woops

[near wyvern]

The sad truth is even if surge would work on trauma RMB most of the time you would just hit air cause the first explosion would send them flying

[rare storm]

Even the man sharing got bamboozled

I think the stat distribution and blessings really just sold it off as a void staff

[umbral helm]

true, but not bosses

[rare storm]

oh that is true

[near wyvern]

When Auric Maelstrom gives you conga line, always bring Uncanny + Slaughterer Deimos:
https://youtu.be/6v6uUZI6T5c?si=ePlkB1OqseOFdrk0

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ytpmv-gif-19978792

the enemies lining up to deimos stabs

[storm hound]

ahh emperor be praised! he granted me enough heretics to keep my batteries charged.

[rare storm]

Praise the emperor

[idle bay]

I will be trying to gamble good Trauma staff soon. And i have question: Good options are:

• Rending Shockwave + Warp Furry
• Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus + Ranged Crit
  ?
  I'm past 900 hours , most of them on Psyker and almost never used Trauma - beacause of how insuffreably irritating it's targeting is. Now i want to torture myself a bit - but i need a good staff for some quality torture.

[pliant tendon]

just finished the last of the redacted penances, what a wild ride

[idle bay]

Best drip is OG penance drip

[pliant tendon]

yes

[idle bay]

No cheap store recolours

[glossy ember]

did you remove all talents up to blitz to get the brain burst one

[pliant tendon]

no, it works with brain rupture

[glossy ember]

ooo

[umbral helm]

some of the redacted penances requiring private games was at first a bit of an annoying change but it did result in a scenario the other night where in an attempt to help a friend get the one penance on zealot that requires beating the mission in under 20 with "less than a wound of health" for most of it where we just all ran different types of zealots, loaded up an assassination mission and said "fuck it we ball"

[glossy ember]

so could go EP for beat the boss up right, or would warp charges be better

[idle bay]

Another brick....

[glossy ember]

does salvo work on rmb

[pliant tendon]

the pick n' mix one is actually easy, especially if you take the kinetic resonance perk and do a shock troop mission

[shy hull]

Anyone have tips for using smite?

[glossy ember]

which one is that

[hollow jolt]

Don't get hit

[pliant tendon]

i didn't use kinetic resonance for any of the penances except for the monstro one

[hollow jolt]

99% of the time, smite users tunnel vision and get their shit rocked

[shy hull]

So stay alert, Yes?

[pliant tendon]

i used warp siphon for everything basically

didn't change my build much

[umbral helm]

in my experience screaming "UNLIMITED POWER" at the top of your lungs helps give it that extra oomph, VoIP mandatory

[hollow jolt]

Also be aware your team won't cover you while smiting, so be aware you may have to drop the smite

[pliant tendon]

which one do you mean?

[glossy ember]

pick n mix

[umbral helm]

too distracted by pretty lightning chains to realize this is their best time to get in and kill things

[hollow jolt]

Actually for me its the opposite

They know its the best time to kill and break formation from the psyker