psyker-class

[fluid knot]

If you're not generating a huge amount of peril, then forcing more stacks is pretty viable, if you are generating a lot of peril, its better to just let it end

[trim garnet]

i see

[fluid knot]

Misjudge it even slightly that shit will absolutely down you

[trim garnet]

as i had learned the hard way after the first handful of missions running it lol

[fluid knot]

Ye feels

[severe folio]

have battle meditation, that one saved me 2-3 times

[fluid knot]

Day one of the skill tree release was explosive

[trim garnet]

i basically always take most of the toughness perks up top

atleast one of the peril related ones + warp kills

i dont feel starved for points elsewhere so its just nice to have

[fluid knot]

The talent that gives toughness on peril gained + Quetitude go so well with Scriers

Particularly on a gun build

[trim garnet]

yeah the peril gain just turns scriers into a toughness trickle

quietude has a really strong conversation rate

[thorn tapir]

after playing gunpsyker for an entire year... i figure Ill try surg staff. First one I craft was pretty decent. 🙂

[fluid knot]

Ye, let it build an drop, take CDR skill an you have a more or less constant stream of top-ups

[severe folio]

but thats not a purg staff

[trim garnet]

also if you quell with both talents and scriers you kinda just become unkillable from shooters lol

since you're both gaining and losing simultaneously

[fluid knot]

I hope it gets a moderate buff at somepoint, but do enjoy me Scriers

[trim garnet]

on that topic do you think the finesse from scriers stacks talent is good? i feel comfortable not blowing up without the peril reduction one but im not sure

[severe folio]

it works for melee

and things that can hit weakspot

[trim garnet]

also for guns probably

[severe folio]

i prefer the 20 peril reduction

[fluid knot]

Yeah its decent, worth picking up if you dont feel at risk

[trim garnet]

i was particularly curious about its interaction with bb

for certain breakpoints on damnation

[fluid knot]

At the end of the day, damage is damage

[severe folio]

one thing im ifffy about scrier is the lack of interaction with warp siph

[thorn tapir]

TYPO aaaaaaa

[severe folio]

i see

[trim garnet]

yeah how does this work

do you get to keep the bonuses until it ends orr

[thorn tapir]

You think Warp Flurry 4 or replacing 10% elites is better? Hmm, not a big difference either way.

[severe folio]

thats the thing, i dont think its doing what it suppose to

[thorn tapir]

I lean towards keeping warp flurry 3.

[trim garnet]

cause theoretically it would pair really well but im really not sure how its intended to interact

[severe folio]

i think you need flak damage

[fluid knot]

Can't tell you a lot about damage changes as i havent tried Scriers/BB since last patch, but you at least could have infinite BB, at super fast speeds if you only targeted elites, including being able to burst them at 100% peril with EP, however there is a lot of nuance an situational stuff to go along with it. Worth messing with in Meatgrinder tho

[thorn tapir]

yea

[severe folio]

actually

do you really

im pretty sure surge deals 100% damage

like void and trauma

have to check the damage again

[feral knoll]

I’m genuinely curious. All the Psykers with BB I see lose the game. Do any of you make it work

[thorn tapir]

I think the difference between WF3 and WF4 isnt that big

[trim garnet]

i agree

wf3 vs 4 is not worth losing flak imo

[fluid knot]

Yeah i get good milage out of it on a Surge/Warp Charge setup

[analog agate]

I use it with blaze trauma build. Use to to take out bombers/snipers.

[fluid knot]

It covers the range where Surge cant, an hits hard enough to actually kill stuff

[trim garnet]

if you primarily play trauma/purg it fills the long range void

same with surge but to a lesser degree

surge is kinda hella range after the changes

[severe folio]

you def dont need it on a surge

surge already handle the priority target role

[fluid knot]

Its decent, but there are a lot of areas where even it falls pretty short

[trim garnet]

i think assail (🤮) is the best for surge given it makes up for your lack of ranged horde thinning

[severe folio]

no

its smite

[fluid knot]

M e l e e

[trim garnet]

shhh

[trim garnet]

shhhhhh not real

:)

idk you're probably right though

[severe folio]

not picking the other lightning option when its covering the other aspect of your weapon

is a crime

[fluid knot]

Smite is only "best" with Surge at the moment because its fuckin broken

[trim garnet]

honestly even if the ep surge bug didnt exist

smite is probably equally good pairing

[thorn tapir]

BB is amazing if you play gunpsyker with close range guns like shredder or new columnus V

[trim garnet]

same job of horde control

[fluid knot]

It'll still be extremly good when fixed, but yeah that bug is horrendous

[severe folio]

what makes you think its going with EP

[trim garnet]

i havent actually seen or used it but i assume it just gives surge the ep damage boost?

[fluid knot]

Yep, that exactly

[severe folio]

yes, and the jump

[trim garnet]

JUMP?

oh lord..

[severe folio]

dont worry

it jump to 1 extra target

[fluid knot]

The jump could stay in a vaccuum, thats not a major problem, the EP thing is

[trim garnet]

does it do the reduced damage of the normal jump or does it do full

[severe folio]

and it deals 90% less damage than the first target

[fluid knot]

Reduced

[trim garnet]

well thats good atleast

[severe folio]

its just a jump

[thorn tapir]

Bb Is best at super long range, so killing gunners and snipers. I don't think empowered psionics BB is ever worth it. its much better with warp charges.

[severe folio]

so you basically target 3

[severe folio]

if you using bb frequently, EP is worth it

[thorn tapir]

also they took away cerebral lacerations. never forget what they took from us.

[fluid knot]

It has some hilarious "oh this room is full of gunners an they all need to die" applications with EP

[severe folio]

make it faster, stronger

[fluid knot]

Yeah that one certainly hurt

[long wharf]

I only use BB with Surge

which for now means EP

[severe folio]

what

why

[thorn tapir]

yea, but i feel like assail does okay too while having much more utility than bb

[severe folio]

what is the purpose of bb if you have surge

what is the purpose of surge if you have bb

[long wharf]

because Surge doesn't have really long range

Surge is fast

[severe folio]

what are you talking about

[thorn tapir]

bb is great with guns though and kinetic flayer is a pretty strong talent

[harsh urchin]

it isn't lol

[severe folio]

surge have a pretty long range, not as long as bb but quite longer than most other staff

[harsh urchin]

there's a lot they can do to improve it 😛

[thorn tapir]

its really underrated

[fluid knot]

It does yeah, but personally im not in love with Assail, its a bit uhh... aimbotty? Which feels a bit weird to say in the context of BB, but yeah just kinda feels a bit dirty a lot of the time

[long wharf]

BB isn't underrated

it's overrated

[fluid knot]

Been playing it last couple days because flu and doesnt require me to think, but most of the time i avoid Assail

[thorn tapir]

he said assail

[harsh urchin]

it's pretty accurately rated lol

[thorn tapir]

kinetic flayer is great for when you are moving between events and to can alpha strike a special.

[fluid knot]

If it was every 7s instead of 15s that'd be uuuuge

[spice veldt]

1350 damage every 15 seconds

even before the skill tree update, kinetic flayer was mainly for warp charges

[harsh urchin]

all it needs is to only pop on elite/special

[analog agate]

I would, personally, never use kinetic flayer

[severe folio]

1350 damage on a poxwalker

[spice veldt]

or for crusher one-shot memes because of pinning fire

[thorn tapir]

it literally one shots mutants on my columnus build. its NOT about dps.

[spice veldt]

it helps you one-shot mutants

but it isn't one-shotting mutants by itself

[severe folio]

well then you are lucky or tzeentch is messing with you

keep using it if you are still lucky, because i am not as fortunate

[thorn tapir]

yea, its just passively helping you kill high health targets while you shoot

[spice veldt]

and every 15 seconds

[severe folio]

that is what it should do, but im not getting that

because my flayer keep pop on horse

horde

[thorn tapir]

it also sits "in reserve" until you need it if you aren't actively fighting.

[fluid knot]

To be fair, usually it does proc on something you dont want it to

[thorn tapir]

then its just 30% toughness

[severe folio]

or that random ass brusier that ambush me from behind

[thorn tapir]

which still isn't useless

[long wharf]

this is my current Surge staff build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a8b8c75-aa3d-4042-afa4-cffff7bc3ac0/surge-n-purge

[spice veldt]

yes, but even if you have it up at the start of a fight, it has a questionable increase to your damage output

because it's still 15 seconds after each proc that you'll proc it again

[severe folio]

its kinda when that brusier is gonna die from a mk4 stab anyway

[thorn tapir]

its not about damage output, its more about killing high health targets

[severe folio]

yeah exactly

its not doinf that for me

[spice veldt]

well

[severe folio]

im wasting it on fodders

[spice veldt]

they're related aren't they?

how about consistently killing high hp targets?

and if you measure it against a high hp pool target like a plogryn, then kinetic flayer is even worse

[fluid knot]

Make it every 7, or fuck it, even 5s

Fixed/improved

[spice veldt]

I'd just remove kinetic flayer

[thorn tapir]

its the same damage mostly. they normalized its damage against different armor types

[spice veldt]

I'm talking about sustained DPS

not ADMs

it's a holdover from being imported from the old feat tree

[fluid knot]

What would you put in its place tho?

[spice veldt]

so I'd just delete kinetic flayer

Wrack & Ruin

and delete perilous combustion

as for what replaces perilous combustion, I'm not sure

[thorn tapir]

okay, but do you not understand that burst damage and sustained dps are different?

[fluid knot]

What exactly is wrong with Perilous?

[severe folio]

perilous hibernation

[fluid knot]

Thats just free damage for playing the game

[spice veldt]

mhm

and I dislike that design

[thorn tapir]

ogryn grenade does INCREDIBLY low dps over a mission cause you only use it once. i guess its bad

[fluid knot]

Shit dont let Arco in wit the Dev team, Purga will be deleted

[thorn tapir]

🙂

[severe folio]

the antheum analyze this

[spice veldt]

are you really going to compare a single brain rupture proc to ogryn's grenade

[thorn tapir]

yes, because its an example

[spice veldt]

and the difference in numbers is too vast for it to be a good analogy

[fluid knot]

Pally i aint gona lie mate.. thats a hell of a reach comparing those two things

[severe folio]

if you want to compare you should compare krak with flayer lol

[fluid knot]

Ogryn bomb is a delete the whole screen button

[thorn tapir]

he understand the difference between burst and sustained damage

[spice veldt]

yes I understand it

I already tackled the burst damage beforehand

[severe folio]

orgyn grenade is Not an example of burst damage

[thorn tapir]

the same argument he uses against KF could say ogryn bomb is bad

[spice veldt]

but then you remarked on killing high hp pool enemies

[fluid knot]

Aye, i think what he's tryina say is that it doesnt really stack up in either example

[thorn tapir]

?????

[spice veldt]

which is why I jumped to sustained DPS

like I am just going with the flow that you are setting

[thorn tapir]

yea but its a terrible sustained dps talent. no one is arguing that

[fluid knot]

Its not a good one for this context, but it absolutely is burst damage

[spice veldt]

and it's a terrible burst DPS talent as well

because it's single-target and 1350 base damage

[severe folio]

orgyn grenade is a really good emergency button, thats a concept vastly different from burst damage, burst damage should be consistently replicable, just not as consistent as sustained damage

orgyn grenade is essentially fuk everything when its really bad

[spice veldt]

and in the context of the columnus, it will do that much in a third of a single second should your aim permit

[severe folio]

and it has been doing that

[long wharf]

grenades are the prime example of burst damage

burst damage is defined as "high damage in a short timeframe"

[severe folio]

yeah but is orgyn grenade really it ? compare to something like krak grenade

[fluid knot]

It is replicable, just find another pickup

[severe folio]

how about i pick you up in one of the trash van

[spice veldt]

it's not a dead talent, but it's certainly not as good as you seem to be saying that it is

[fluid knot]

Wine an dine is it? Alright im down, prepare a feast fit for a possum king

[spice veldt]

because kinetic flayer was whatever even when it was competing with warp battery and wildfire back then

[long wharf]

you know what would immediately make Kinetic Flayer decent? if it only proc'd on Specialists and Elites

[fluid knot]

Well, it wouldnt be that good still, but it'd be a fuckload better

[severe folio]

it would be so much better

OR MAYBE IT SHOULD PROC ON MULTIPLE TARGET

PER HITS

[long wharf]

5% change to get a free BB on any hit, no cooldown

[severe folio]

fuk yeah

FUK THEIR BALLS UP

Ball Burst

[fluid knot]

It'd be a big boost to fast firing weapons

[long wharf]

true

[spice veldt]

kinetic flayer on crack cocaine

[fluid knot]

That being said, most of the properly bursty weapons are capable of dropping something without a KF proc anyway, so maybe not a loss

[long wharf]

you could alter it so that it only procs on warp attack hits

[severe folio]

you know that should been a thing on the blitz

a modification on auric

for blitz

[fluid knot]

Another thing that could be done with it would be to have a "after 5 uses" effect where it then randomly bursts 5 local enemies on the fifth cast

[sonic whale]

What's a good push weapon for Psyker? Trying to do the push penance

Force swords shove is weak

[spice veldt]

kinetic flayer is not a particularly interesting talent to me, so I really would just scrap it entirely

and give wrack & ruin to it back as a buff

[severe folio]

what is wrack and ruin

[fluid knot]

Oh wait waut, I would be so down for that

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion but it triggers per hit on brain burst

[fluid knot]

WnR was fuckin goated

[severe folio]

WHAT

WHY IS THAT GONE

[spice veldt]

good question

[fluid knot]

With the uncapped stack limit too Arco?

[severe folio]

SHATFARK

[spice veldt]

wink wink

[fluid knot]

It had unlimited application of blaze dots, more you burst more burn it built up

Was REALLY underrated

[spice veldt]

fyi it only procced per elite/special hit and not just any enemy (or including monstrosities), but that's still pretty good

[thorn tapir]

i think KF was better when cerebral lacerations was in because it felt so good to ammo dump into a boss and amp everyones (including your own) damage.

and it could proc the explode into fire talents. they removed all the UTILITY ON BB talents though.

[severe folio]

dude that sound

TWEAKED

[sonic whale]

DO NOT TAKE MY GREAT THING

[fluid knot]

Yeah i adored that talent way back when

Absolute no contest S tier

[spice veldt]

i'll shoot its kneecaps

[sonic whale]

Then I'll blow up your brain rupture your brain

[severe folio]

twist your testicles

[sonic whale]

That's how an Ogryn viewed the abblity

[fluid knot]

Don't even joke, a pal of mine lost one due to torsion, poor bastard

[severe folio]

what is torsion

[spice veldt]

oh no

[fluid knot]

Its when one of your bollocks gets twisted inside your sack.

[severe folio]

oh

[fluid knot]

Its menna be excruciating

[severe folio]

its a real medical condition ?

[sonic whale]

YES

[fluid knot]

Yeah

[vagrant gust]

yes

[severe folio]

i see

i thought its the wizard spell

[sonic whale]

Where do you think the meme originated from?

[severe folio]

originate from

itself

[spice veldt]

spooky reality

[thorn tapir]

cerebral lacerations also had great utility because you could use it actively with gunpsyker. BB a bulwark and then dump like 1/8th of a shredder mag into its dead. the +25% was huge for gunpsyker. i bet the got rid of it because it was actually too good.

i bet in testing you had scriers gaze up and kf and you ammo dumped a boss that flat +25% is multiplicative with crit chance and base damage increases.

[severe folio]

why do we not have these as our psykers

[thorn tapir]

basically bring back my talent ogryn is fine without stealing my toy

[spice veldt]

tbf cerebral lacerations does exist as Enfeeble for smite

[fluid knot]

Rogue Trader got an alpha?

[severe folio]

if you dont know it must be an alpha

[severe folio]

same number ?

[thorn tapir]

yea but you have to use smite 🤢

[spice veldt]

10% iirc

[thorn tapir]

10%, yea

[fluid knot]

Nowhere near as good tbh

[severe folio]

you know it would been great if you could kinetic flayer with smite

[fluid knot]

I still cant even work out which part of smite is menna be the damaging part, im starting to think neither

[severe folio]

it never have been

why does rogue trader crew looks more like a vermintide crew than darktide

[sonic whale]

Because the first one is a unsanctioned Psyker, second is an Navigator/Astopath

[severe folio]

are we sanctioned

[sonic whale]

The first would be killed on the spot by anyone with any authority and the 2nd one is sadly too weak and feable

[severe folio]

we are def not sanctioned

[sonic whale]

Probably

[severe folio]

nah

we are not sanctioned

[sonic whale]

Considering the Enforcers would have killed us on the spot

But the 'Blessed' one may not be

[severe folio]

arent sanctioned one either go through that whole soulbinding

[fluid knot]

I only know one unsanctioned Psyker and they aint here rn

[sonic whale]

But if we weren't sanctioned we'd be dead before that prison ship

An Unsanctioned psyker is basically one who is not rated or tested and especially trained in defence against the warp and daemons

[severe folio]

hold on, i need to check how to become a sanctioned psyker

[sonic whale]

Training and approval

[thorn tapir]

there is a psyker org that approves you after training.

[severe folio]

we are not sanctioned

[thorn tapir]

you can get rerouted from black ships to get trained

[sonic whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1170887830050971648/c6a83406ab13d88a1f52de78bccac087.png?ex=655aad44&is=65483844&hm=631d067cdb880fb37fd75f4cbf994e14dd905a76e678538f759916ec04969597&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1170887142747152414/image.png?ex=655aaca0&is=654837a0&hm=979974c7bf1b78607e0608d598a1b383a1d53e62da89466b8473db1edc18854d&
Also I am down bad for this psyker in that picture. For some reason my mind is thinking 'adorable' when she wants to cut out peoples tongues

[severe folio]

we are not sanctioned

sanctioned psyker goes through soulbinding, im pretty sure we are not

[fluid knot]

Hey man, i aint gonna judge, i like psycho girls too

[thorn tapir]

theoretically the enforcer might be sanctioned

[sonic whale]

We are as we wear the santion mark on our uniforms (non-aquila)

[severe folio]

as for why are we alive, i think its because we belong to the inquisition

[thorn tapir]

I mean, some inquisitors have xenos as acolytes, so...

[sonic whale]

This and this

[severe folio]

its just

you know im pretty sure being soulbound is mandatory for being sanctioned

[sonic whale]

If we were unsantioned we wouldn't know how to use the force swords or staffs and we-I just realised

[severe folio]

and i think we are def not soulbound

[sonic whale]

We WEREN'T before arriving on the Morningstar maybe and the Psyker in the Psykarnium would have trained us

[severe folio]

now the pysker in the psykarnium

[sonic whale]

So yeah we are 100% sanctioned

[severe folio]

and that astropath

[fluid knot]

It is the Inquisition, they have the authority to sanction us

[severe folio]

would have been a sanctioned one

so we are considered sanctioned ?

[sonic whale]

All Astropaths are sanctioned Psykers

YES

[severe folio]

but without any of the scholatica training ?

[sonic whale]

Yes as Sefonia would count as our teacher

[fluid knot]

Natural talent mate

[severe folio]

thats kind of dangerous

[sonic whale]

Nope

[severe folio]

thats

this is why the imperium is fuked

[sonic whale]

Regular kind of thing but I imagine due to it being in her own little 'play box' REAL time would be short but our training would be long

[fluid knot]

the imperium is fucked because people are lacking braincells to the point they worship a literal corpse

[severe folio]

theres more than that but thats just one part of the problem

[sonic whale]

No the Imperium is fucked because of ||[REDACTED BY THE ORDO HERETICUS]||, not Psyker training

[fluid knot]

Aye, i know, just being facetious

[bold maple]

that corpse is emitting light that guide ships to go about so I'd say that's a good bandaid

[severe folio]

no its def psyker policy that will fuk the imperium up

i mean

no seriously, so we did not get any of the

[fluid knot]

It is pretty good satire though, humanity could probably end up similar to the imperium in a few thousand years if it dont get its shit together

[severe folio]

scholastica psykana ?

[sonic whale]

If Psyker policy would fuck the Imperium it would have happened literally thousands of years ago

[bold maple]

nah humanity going to blow themselves up before we unite into a world government

[severe folio]

when you have so many virus in the same bodies, they start fighting each other

[sonic whale]

You know the collar right? The ones with the tubes and face masks right?

[bold maple]

imagine a world gov collecting taxes and deciding which continent gets development and investment it'll be a shit show before we ever reach imperium stage

[fluid knot]

as true as this is, i really hope we dont Seemingly not a lot of other intelligent civilizations out there, we have a pretty golden opportunity (and the potential) to actually conquer the stars

[sonic whale]

They are basically explosive collars some of them

[severe folio]

what do you mean some of them

im pretty sure all of them are

[sonic whale]

Some of them

It depends on your level

[fluid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

[severe folio]

ah the psyker grades

[sonic whale]

Primaris and the one below it don't have the-oh open it up in browser

[severe folio]

WE MAKING IT TO BETA 🗣️

[fluid knot]

I still forget thats a thing even after years on this platfrom

[sonic whale]

We are more likely a Zeta but possibly Delta psyker. Don't get your Main-Character hopes up we are more then likely a Zeta.

[bold maple]

we're a disappointment tbh

[sonic whale]

We are literally rejects on a holding-death-sentence

[shell igloo]

Are there any blessings that DON'T have a Tier-IV? Or should I be aiming to earn Tier-IV for any blessing I'm looking for?

[sonic whale]

Unsure tbh

But yeah more then likely one of these two

[severe folio]

have to check game lantern list for that

WE MAKING IT TO DELTA 🗣️ 🗣️

[fluid knot]

Emperor is apparently capable of summoning armies of demons.. well then why create the test tube lads? just summon an then unsummon a demon army and save everyone a whole load of trouble

[sonic whale]

Delta is possible but keep in mind this is 40k, you are a freak-psyker and you will learn to live with your freakish nature never being accepted

[fluid knot]

Just like real life

[sonic whale]

But keep in mind a Commissar's Duty with a Psyker going through Perils, even if they can manage it is to grant them the Emperor's Mercy

[severe folio]

just like the simulation

[fluid knot]

Morrow so woulda shot us on sight

[sonic whale]

Morrow is not a Commissar

But if he didn't know us and saw us going through the perils he'd fucking shoot us on the spot

A Psyker failing their Perils is one of the most dangerous things

[severe folio]

board the mourningstar

[shell igloo]

I just wanna make sure I'm not passing up Tier-III or below blessings when they're actually at their max possible tier

[severe folio]

fail peril

become warp gate for demond

[sonic whale]

As it can cause a literal micro tear in the Materium for daemons (if Delta and above I imagine) or turn into a Daemonhost, Chaos spawn or worse

[severe folio]

die

doesnt elaborate

[sonic whale]

So basically, be thankful that we live so cusshy on the Morningstar as a part of the Warband

[fluid knot]

I mean the option was this or death

I still wish i'd left Zola to choke tho

[severe folio]

essentially what happen

[fluid knot]

[shell igloo]

MY Beloved assures me that exceeding max peril is a wondrous experience and I should encourage all Psykers to do it

[sonic whale]

Why? We literally owe her our lives

[sonic whale]

Your Beloved believes that would only harm you and the others around you

[fluid knot]

It works two ways that one...

[sonic whale]

It does not want you controlled by a daemon as you watch in horror at what it does with control of your body

[fluid knot]

Girl woulda died to being pinned to a bit of furniture if we dint pull the knife outta her, wasnt much greatful

[sonic whale]

Without her we would just be a prison break criminal, we were dead if we didn't get the lucky chance to save her and go with her

[severe folio]

who is ever grateful in 40k

[sonic whale]

Also the prison ship was doomed

So it's either die to the Cultists, guards other prisoners or worse

[shell igloo]

MY Beloved speaks in thunderous whispers and solemn laughter. They say drawing on peril is the only way to effect change in the world

[fluid knot]

Smh, some people just arent built to be career criminals, shouldnt have gotten nicked int first place if you canne handle it

[sonic whale]

Now question time: Should I remove this so I'm limited to four charges MEANING I am closer to Maximum Warp Charges and can complete the 300 seconds challenge easier?

[severe folio]

the internet is suck right now

[sonic whale]

Yeah by becoming a doorway for daemons to flood out requiring the Grey Knights if they existed to step in maybe

[severe folio]

found it

[fluid knot]

It doesnt make much difference tbh, if that penance isnt bugged, it should be easier than ever to complete

[sonic whale]

So yes?

As I've been close but not on it

[fluid knot]

that is a very Nurgle-appropriate picture

[fluid knot]

Nah like it makes no difference, just kill faster sah

[sonic whale]

Also this perk or this one?

[severe folio]

i use the other on purg

but without a lot of fire around its better with vampire

i think

allies kills a lot

[fluid knot]

build dependent

[sonic whale]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f302f-0a74-498f-b6c8-3c8b5bfec2f5/specialist-splatter
This is the build I've been using I think 90% correct

[fluid knot]

I would take PV myself, arguably in most builds, even Purga ones, but the other has merit

[severe folio]

the only reason why i pick fire reborn with purg was because i am sure that i can kill faster than my allies when im spraying into it

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats good logic

[severe folio]

(not because i am leaving them to die more often)

(they ran into it themselves, i did not kill them)

[sonic whale]

Also what is a good weapon for push range?

Force swords do not push far enough

[tame venture]

this is such a meme roll for the blessings lmao

[sonic whale]

Cat. sword seems good so far

[fluid knot]

I dont even know about the differences between psuh distances across weapons tbh

[severe folio]

ninja blade

[crimson remnant]

Is blazing blessing any good on force sword?

[severe folio]

i think that trigger on dodging with empathic evasion too

[analog agate]

No. Unless you want to meme it up

[severe folio]

some build dedicated for it but i heard its not super great

[tame venture]

i mean, they're poopoo blessings otherwise. switched em to rampage and shred

[crimson remnant]

I got a roll with blazing 4 and shred 4, ill learn shred then

[fluid knot]

Blazing was useful prior to the skill tree overhauls, but its fallen off a cliff

[severe folio]

push range ?

[fluid knot]

An even back then, it was a supplement to support the rest of a build, not a chief damage dealer

[severe folio]

i think force sword have the highest push already

of all the psyker melee

unless you want to melee with staff maybe ?

[fluid knot]

That penance needs looking at because its gonna be extremely hard to complete now Shriek doesnt deliver a substantial shove

[sage glacier]

I have beem struggling so hard with that penance

It is the ONLY redacted penance i need

[sonic whale]

Not on damnation

[severe folio]

theres push difference on difficulty ?

[sonic whale]

Yeah on Damnation my force swords push is fucking aweful

[severe folio]

i see

[sonic whale]

On Heresy I can stagger Ragers and Maulers but Damnation I cannot

[fluid knot]

Dont think that penance requires you to do it on Damn

[sonic whale]

Also better weapon in your opinions? (Ignore the Perks and Blessings, raw weapon judgement please)

[severe folio]

maybe the anthenum has something to say about it

about pushes and enemies mass

[severe folio]

would say both suck because the finesses

[sonic whale]

I just know I can get the most enemies on it, figure out to do it on the ammo mission after it's done, use the bridge to the Valkrie Storm Raptor

[fluid knot]

The IV, but neither are amazing

[severe folio]

but the profane have better stat

[sonic whale]

But yeah this is the sword I normally use

[fluid knot]

As soon as you can get it, roll Slaughterer or Unstable Power on that forcesword

An swap Stam for Maniac or Flak

[sonic whale]

[severe folio]

both also suk balls chief

[sonic whale]

I like it how it is, and it works fine for me

[severe folio]

that is because you havent had better

wait when did blazing spirit has a cap ?

[fluid knot]

Always

[sonic whale]

I am happy with it, trying to get a Deflector IV is all I want for it and then change out the Stamina or Damage one, unsure which yet

[fluid knot]

It was only ever wrack n ruin that could apply Soulblaze with no stack limit

[severe folio]

change out the stamina duh

[severe folio]

so the blazing spirit on staffs also have a 12 cap ?

[crisp yacht]

whats ideal perks and blessings for revolver?

[severe folio]

i believe dumdum and hand canon ?

[sonic whale]

It came out poopy

[fluid knot]

I would have to look at them ingame, cant remember offhand, but yeah they're also capped

[severe folio]

interesting

[fluid knot]

Surgical instead of Crucian, Crit chance to Maniac or Carapace, your choice

[severe folio]

on the lantern wiki it doesnt even have a tier 4 blazing spirit

just a +3 stack on crit

[fluid knot]

Nah it doesnt have a T4

[severe folio]

damn

[fluid knot]

I know, it hurts the blessing quite a lot

[severe folio]

man i want blazing spirit on my purg

[fluid knot]

[severe folio]

that way i can have 12+15

[fluid knot]

I used to play Blazing Void back before class overhaul an it was super fun, was the most effective with Blazing out of all the staves, but yeah, they made it both broken initially, and way less fun to play so i havent used that setup since

[severe folio]

fukkk why does the spacewolf librarian get ice warp powers

[crisp yacht]

ty

[sonic whale]

Also good surge staff? I want to reroll again

[fluid knot]

You are very welcome sah

[severe folio]

the 356 ironically

[fluid knot]

Yeah what Isces said

Higher crit bonus, which is a big lump of your damage on Surge

[severe folio]

wouldnt let brunt slide until i get a 370 at least though

i would never settle on below 360

thats like my first criteria

[fluid knot]

I hate spending like 200k at Brunts only to get the best rolls be like 350 or lower

Hurts pretty bad

[severe folio]

i spent over millions for a dclaw above 350

[fluid knot]

Yeah i can beleive it, did you end up getting one?

[severe folio]

Nooe

[fluid knot]

Oof :/

[severe folio]

emperor sent me a 377 mk7 instead

[fluid knot]

I mean thats not awful, quite like the VII

[severe folio]

was used to the mk4

[fluid knot]

Aye, but they're nto far off one another, VII is just backwards IV

[severe folio]

the backward has one niche

you see, sweep heavy have a fixate quick charge

so even if you release it fast, it still load a bit before release

while the strike down heavy quick charge faster

and get this, you always do this strike down charge when you sprinting

so with the mk4 you just keep strike down on a squad of 3 flak

very fast

while the sweep get this awkward delay

[fluid knot]

I think the IV's moveset had that kinda designed in tbh

But that overhead slaps hard as fuck

[severe folio]

that overheard is baller

[fluid knot]

Zealot crit build with Catachan IV is ridiculously good

[severe folio]

overhead

zealot catachan solo daemonhosts

well the parry are almost the same with each other at least

which is the core reason on using dclaw anyway

[fluid knot]

Exactly the same i think ye

[severe folio]

mk4 or mk7, parrying they perform the same

[fluid knot]

I just wish Vet wasnt the only class to get the small Shovel, because thats another weapon with a fully relevant moveset

[severe folio]

just keep the shovel they give you at start

also orgyn get shovel too dont they ?

[fluid knot]

Ogg does yeah, but its a totally different moveset

[severe folio]

oh

[fluid knot]

Vet Shovel just has a buttery smooth moveset, all the options are useful in any situation you might end up in, it has huge stagger potential and is really flowing to use

Defensive + offensive too, absolute S tier moveset

[severe folio]

its one of those versatile weapon

very odd that vet got more of those versatile melee than zeal

and zeal got those versatile firearm than vet

vet would done wonder with a flamer

and zeal wonder with the powersword

[fluid knot]

Hmm, its a bit odd in a way, but Zealot dont need to the defensive weapons particularly when compared to Vet so i see why they did it. Flamer isnt hugely versatile tho imo. As for Powersword.. Zealot would be amazing with Psword, but it kinda irks me from a lore perspective that PSword is even avaliable on Vet

Its one of them highly worshipped weapons thats menna be for high ranking officers an above, shouldnt really be in the grubby mitts of some jarhead who only just got out the nick

[severe folio]

because krieg soldiers with a flamer looks right

[fluid knot]

That is 100% true

Be a good cosplay too tbh, but that being said, Vet might get Melta-gun at somepoint

[severe folio]

melta gun 😮

no way ?

[fluid knot]

Which is iirc a giant microwave gun, so kinda a flame throwing in that it generates a shiton of heat

[severe folio]

actually

wouldnt it just function like their plasma gun

how does melta gun shoot

[fluid knot]

It was datamined as being on the roster ages back, though it was undetermined which class for

[severe folio]

i only know it from freeblades

[fluid knot]

I actually dont have a clue how they'd represent it in game tbh, its been shown to work a bunch of different ways over the years

[severe folio]

dsng

[fluid knot]

Kinda expect it to be short range, but huge damage, like if plasma was a shotgun, but thats a total guess

[severe folio]

hmm

maybe a fukin beam shooter lol

[fluid knot]

Aye, would be pretty sick

But thats the only role an energy weapon currently doesnt have a finger in so to speak

We got short range with Laspistol + Recons, mid is Infantry/Plasma and long is Hellbore

But no energy shotgun styley thing

[worthy scaffold]

Soo example, 3 crusher approaching me, which staff is best to dealt with them easily

[left mirage]

surge probs

or voidstrike

[fluid knot]

Trauma/Void/Surge any of the above

[left mirage]

unsure if trauma staggers

if it does then that too

[fluid knot]

Trauma would be safest because of its stagger yea

Not the best damage, but the safest

[left mirage]

havent built one yet

i should get around to that

[fluid knot]

Its worth, good fun to play

[lunar hollow]

this was with hail of fire (30% rending) rather than light 'em up

not like you need either for this really

[fluid knot]

Ahh ok, but yeah still, Kickback min-pellet count puttin the the work

[lunar hollow]

pretty much

[fluid knot]

They gotta fix that fuckin thing

[lunar hollow]

that and the bizarre 80% infested ADM at max falloff

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats another aspect

Iirc its on a couple of armour types, cant member the other tho

[lunar hollow]

you can literally just steal kills from people in melee with hordes at any distance

[fluid knot]

Yeah sounds about right tbh

[spice veldt]

one pocket vet and it's joever

[worthy scaffold]

Like aim for them specially, i use the zapzap staff and it always channel the dmg to lesser enemy

[fluid knot]

Probably a funny meme, but ive been avoiding it thus far due to how insane it is

[lunar hollow]

it's very ridiculous. if an enemy is coming up a staircase you can sometimes kill them before they even appear on your screen because of how wide the spread is + min pellet count

[fluid knot]

Target them directly yeah

[fluid knot]

Oh wow

I dont think someone at FS really foresaw how much of a buff they were actually givin it

[lunar hollow]

yeah lmao

[sonic whale]

I did the pennace! Shoved them off the bridge ironically with the Shirek and then Catachan sword push as they were staggered

My personal recomend is to do it on the AMMO mission on the mini-bridge just to the Valkrie escape

[fickle scaffold]

im confused as to why ive been seeing ogryns obliterate things from across large rooms with the kick back lately like wtf

does it just have infinite falloff lmao

[sonic whale]

Just need to do Warp Battery

[sonic whale]

🪨

[sturdy dagger]

They overbuffed tf outta it thing has near infinite cleave and range u can kill snipers from 100m with surgical

[sonic whale]

OVER BUFFED IT?! Also you could do that before

[fluid knot]

It has a ridiculous set of ADMs and a stupidly high minimum pellet count of 16

[sonic whale]

Oh wait

[fluid knot]

So if you hit an enemy at 100m with one pellet, it deals the damage of 16

[sonic whale]

I'm dumb

I thought you were on about the rock

Also just a note

IRL buckshot goes further then 2ft, so for an ogryn's shotgun pellets it makes sense

[sturdy dagger]

Yes its comically broken now and makes every other ogryn ranged weapon feel obsolete, the only thing it doesnt excel at is crushers

[sonic whale]

Also gives him some range as otherwise he's fucked against some things that are barely just mid ranged

[fluid knot]

Nah, its not good design, we're not talking huge engagement distances in this game

Sure, the human shotguns are accurate as fuck, but they're not dealing like 1.8k damage

[sonic whale]

Tbh I thought we were on about the rock, if anyone wants a nerf to the rock my question is.
||What is wrong with you|| 😨

[sturdy dagger]

Everytime I use kickback ogryn my team is lucky to get a shot on anything before it gets obliterated, easy 800k dmg a match

[sonic whale]

Skill issue, should have been born an Ogryn and gotten like 5 gauge 40mm (or larger) shotgun round

I normally use the Heavy Stubber or the Rippers, although to me Rippers feel just terrible to use

[fluid knot]

I been Ogryning since you was a twinkle in your dads ballsack pal

[sonic whale]

Then you are older then Hadron? Damn

[fluid knot]

Actually kind of yes.. started on Ogg int pre-order beta before Hadron was allowed to do anything

[sonic whale]

Rip

Suffer

[sturdy dagger]

I want to use stubbers but everything feels obsolete to kickback rn

[sonic whale]

For I have played for 22 days (as of this 5am, right now-ish)

[sonic whale]

Go for fun

Let me grab my Stubber build

[lyric burrow]

stubbers are still goo d

well

[sonic whale]

As it's comical

[lyric burrow]

gorg is

[sturdy dagger]

Weapons feeling weak is not fun

[sonic whale]

I take the one with the biggest drum

Rippers feel weak, can we agree on that or is it just me?

[lyric burrow]

rippers feel good to me

[sturdy dagger]

I cant stand using them so sure

[sonic whale]

I hate the three round burst one

[lyric burrow]

i like the mk5 a lot

[fluid knot]

Pro-tip; if something is found to be borked in a patch, simply dont touch that thing till it gets fixed to a reasonable degree

[sonic whale]

Yeah

[sturdy dagger]

Yonow ogryn chat is currently talking about gun psyker and were talking about ogryn weapons

[fluid knot]

It keeps the integrity of all the other stuff still being useful

[sonic whale]

Like I never go for exploit bugs, when I heard about the EP stuff I avoided it because I just didn't want to do it

[fluid knot]

Nearly all the frequent players in Ogg chat multi-class

[sturdy dagger]

I had to try it since I never used kickback before now

[sonic whale]

I multiclass though granted Veteran is my least played

For the moment I think playtime is Zealot, Psyker and Ogryn tied and then Veteran

[lyric burrow]

for me its psyker vet zealot ogryn

zealot catching up to vet tho

[fluid knot]

Thats fair, but in future if something is known to be hugely broken, just avoid it. So many people get their shit twisted when something gets a big nerf (Powersword intial nerfs, flamer initial nerfs) Its better to just enjoy the other stuff till whatever it is is sorted out

[lyric burrow]

just wait till assail gets properly nerfed lol

[sonic whale]

I get bored as a Veteran as a good team can negate a sharpshooter build Vet (which is how I play, shooting the ranged enemies for the team, not cringe sniping)

🙏

[fluid knot]

Play mostly Zealot these days, and a lot of Vet recently too, because its actually fun now

[sonic whale]

Can't wait, people need to learn how to play not just left click asail to victory

[fluid knot]

Yeah wouldnt hold your breath about Assial seeing more nerfs tho

Seems like thats here to stay

[sonic whale]

I'm not, but it's okay

[sturdy dagger]

I locked assail away in a box after trying it like once

BB enjoyers

[fluid knot]

Its not the most rewarding blitz the game has to offer

[frail sand]

BB based

[fluid knot]

Bit too aimbotty

[sonic whale]

I just feel like people are too lazy with it and un-learn skill in the game like dodging and multi-weaponing

[lyric burrow]

tbf psyker is very aimbotty lol

[sonic whale]

Asail or Brain Burst?

[frail sand]

assail doesn't have the BB crunch sfx

[fluid knot]

Assail

[sonic whale]

Also all Blitz are Aimbot

[fluid knot]

Though i suppose both, just Assail is much more obviously aimbotty

[sturdy dagger]

The amount of people I watch lose 1v1s to groaners cause there trying to point blank assail it

[lyric burrow]

even void is pretty forgiving

[sonic whale]

I prefer Brain Burst as god it's so satisfying

[frail sand]

why is HISTG on the normal damnation version

whats the difference between that and auric then

[sonic whale]

And it's just fun for the rest of the team, no killing everything in sight which a vet might be shooting or a Ogryn and Zealot may be trying to kill

[fluid knot]

Its true, but a lot of it is within a sort of reasonable way that makes a bit of sense, with Assail you can fire the thing, do a fucking 180* and still kill something with it

[lyric burrow]

true

the blitzs are true aimbot

everything else is much less so

[distant roost]

i just pause and type "push them away..."

[fluid knot]

Push them away? They're groaners, swap to melee and boink the sucker

[lyric burrow]

HISTG is just hi int damnation with way more specials and can sometimes be harder than auric so its there if you dont wanna do whatever the auric is

rather than like lights out waves of mutants

[cosmic sigil]

Same for zealot chat. A lot of us play all classes.

[lyric burrow]

or something pretty easy

[fluid knot]

Lights out, Nurgles blessing + Monsters

[distant roost]

i believe auric usually has either additional modifiers and is slightly more intense than even HISTG Damnation

[fluid knot]

Most of the old guard do at this point yeah

[distant roost]

but it depends on the mission

like Hab Dreyko Auric Maelstrom

literal hell

[lyric burrow]

yeah some aurics are brutal some are fine

[fluid knot]

Auric high-stg have some minor director tweaks, but otherwise its the same as normal Hi-STG, Maelstrom is where the carnage modifers happen

[sturdy dagger]

From what I'm told auric is no different from normal damantion its just guaranteed increased difficulty modifiers

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah, with the old talents, there was not that much variety

[sonic whale]

Also quick question, if someone if already meleeing something do you for whatever reason jump in on the single target?

[fluid knot]

It is basically the same yeah, only Auric Malestrom is way above that

[distant roost]

its for every person doing HISTG Damnation who wants them all the time

[fluid knot]

Depends what it is

And if the guy bonking it is struggling or not

[sonic whale]

Crusher I can get, monster I can get

[distant roost]

Carapace? Yes. Poxwalker? I hope they can handle that.

[sonic whale]

Mauler is ez and shouldn't be lost to in a 1v1

[sturdy dagger]

I dont trust my teams so

[sonic whale]

I love bonking apart maulers

[cosmic sigil]

I don't want to do a light out monstrosities auric mael in hab tbh. It is so confined...

[distant roost]

and also is on whether they are struggling or not

[sonic whale]

I say let them cook

[lyric burrow]

tbh ill help sometimes if its like the last thing and i just want to speed up the process of everyone moving on

[fluid knot]

I can forgive people getting downed by Maulers because they either missed or dodged into an overhead they didnt see, but not if they're doing it constantly

[distant roost]

I was being jumpscared by weakened chaos spawns on Dreyko earlier

[sonic whale]

They will not learn to be better at melee otherwise

[sonic whale]

Yeah for me it's a case of I didn't 2nd dodge sometimes

[sturdy dagger]

Healthbar mod is pretty handy for that tbh, if there 1v1 mauler but there barely doing dmg I'll just pop it for them

[distant roost]

real

Being a zealot and rushing in to bonk the mauler is great

[sonic whale]

But with the Thunderhammer and Crusher Club I really like 1v1's against Maulers, Ragers and Crushers as it staggers the fuck out of them

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah I soften elites asap

[sonic whale]

Like beating a rager to death with the Crusher Club because he's getting knocked on his ass is so god damn fun

[fluid knot]

If you're on PC, get creature spawner mod and fight 5+ Maulers with Vet shovel

You will learn SO MUCH about how to melee doing that

[distant roost]

zealot stagger is crazy

[sonic whale]

The crazy thing is I'm pretty sure for non bosses the Crusher is the GO TO weapon right now

[fluid knot]

Its very good

But its not OP

Which is nice

[proven kettle]

ive been wanting a good trauma staff n i just wanna ask the coven

[sonic whale]

Thunder Hammer mk2 is great but doesn't stagger non-weakspot hits on ragers, maulers and crushers

[proven kettle]

did the milk man pull through with this

or should i hold onto my milk tokens for something better

[distant roost]

crusher is a better generalist but hammers can handle bosses super well

[sonic whale]

The Crusher staggers everything on hit as long as it isn't still in it's tagger animation

[flint pawn]

The buffed Brain Rupture feels awesome, I can't go back to Assail or Smite

[fluid knot]

Its decent, but perks ruin it, i would keep saving pal

[proven kettle]

thas fine tho i have a trauma staff thats okay

[distant roost]

tagger anim?

[sonic whale]

I love the Hammer for the Assassination boss, the Two handed Chainsword is funny as you REV IT UP then heavy attack the bastard on half health with his shield down and it feels like you are grusomely, brutally slowly cleaving his head off in one swing, and then chop off flies his head. It's such a great feeling

[sonic whale]

*stagger, forgor

[distant roost]

ah

ye\

but the good thing is!

YOU CAN STAGGER THEM AGAIN!

[sonic whale]

Yep

Also thoughts and tips for doing warp battery?

[fluid knot]

Dont do it in Malice because enemy volume will fuck you(there aint enough to keep up charges), shouldnt be hard to do in Heresy

[sturdy dagger]

Yknow what I lied on psyker I try to kill them all regardless to spread more soulblaze

[fluid knot]

Wildfire is so much less valuable now WnR is gone 😢

[sonic whale]

I love it

[sturdy dagger]

Wnr?

[foggy breach]

thinking of switching to surge from purgatus, can anyone give me a run down of the staff?

[humble bolt]

FIRE

[fluid knot]

Wrack an Ruin

Used to be that when you brainburst something, it would apply Soulblaze stacks to a bunch of local enemies, this talent had no burn stack cap

It used to be an S tier thing that everyone slept on, an then they removed it

And im still sad about it

[sonic whale]

It had a 4 stock cap before patch 14, it's now 3

[fluid knot]

No.. Wrack and Ruin was before these new skill trees

One of the old talents

[sonic whale]

Ohhhh

[fluid knot]

One that didnt survive the changes

[sonic whale]

So much this club

[foggy breach]

also do disrupt destiny stacks decay one at a time like warp charges or all at once after 15 seconds

[foggy breach]

this is psyker chat

[fluid knot]

And most people multiclass

[sonic whale]

Yes

[obtuse moth]

Crits give two stacks of brining instead of one, you want your burns stat to be high enough it gives 15 stacks of burning instead of 14 cause it's like double the damage, cloud radius is your other important stat. Warp flurry and nexus are the best blessings, Spamming the left click is really good cc. I like unyielding damage perk on my staff cause everything else dies easily or its inefffective against

[sonic whale]

If you read up you'll see that we have been talking about multi-class stuff for hours

[foggy breach]

TO surge FROM purgatus but thanks for the purgatus info

[obtuse moth]

Oh mb

[foggy breach]

mb

[sonic whale]

It's cool no harm done by anyone

[foggy breach]

with the power of funny bonkstick, you too can have the stagger of an ogryn

[sonic whale]

Yeah it's amazing and even better because it actually does damage 😆

[distant roost]

all at once i believe

[foggy breach]

also dueling swords vs force swords, i've been running a deimos with my purgatus for obvious reasons but i've seen the dueling swords used to great effect

[sonic whale]

I love my Force Sword too much to give up on it, Dueling sword isn't my vibe as a Psyker

[sonic whale]

Against a Mauler it's so funny as with the Rager. Just throw them around, show them THE POWER OF FAITH

[foggy breach]

especially since the deimos will be redunant with surge. im also not too sure about the the aoe force sword since from experience with teh power sword it can be clunky to keep charging

[obtuse moth]

Crits give double cc, surge staff has best crit damage multiplier and Crit chance, it no longer guarantees stun on mutants. Benefits highly from peril resist, is currently bugged afaik to do an extra 125% damage from empowered psiojnics stacks. Chains to one additional enemy with less damage. Can go through fences and has incredibly generous autoaim. Best used at full charge for the most part. It's left click is the best of all projectile left click stages because of modifiers. Priority focus specials.. works on elites and specials, including ogryns and opens up bulwark shields. Very good at ccing poxbursters, dogs and mutants safely

[sonic whale]

This is what happens when the Veteran says he like Sefony the Psyker

[thorn tapir]

melee weapons you should not care what's good but use what FEELS good. except for that ONE tactical axe. don't use that one.

[sturdy dagger]

Heavy light combo is the power of faith

Headremover9000

[sonic whale]

Which one? I really like the one which has the Aquila on the side and is green

[foggy breach]

why the fuck is teh surge staff affected by empowerd psy.

well i know why its because they copypasted it for teh surge blitz but cmon fatshark

so with surge i want all in crits then

[sturdy dagger]

U should be using both honestly, very different goals

[sonic whale]

It's a bug right now

[foggy breach]

oh ik ik

[thorn tapir]

one of the tacaxes just has a wierdo move set that makes it really bad. can't remember which one cause i never uses any of the tacaxes on vet, and i like power sword and chainsword too much.

[foggy breach]

and im guessing warp flurry and nexus for blessings?

[sonic whale]

I like the Chainaxe but need to get better at it for my Vet, Force Sword for the Psyker, and Zealot, Two handed Chainsword, Thunder Hammer and Mauler Club. Ogryn? The Slab shield and the bully clubs, the slaping is too funny

[obtuse moth]

Yea you can take Crit chance but I probably would still avoid Crit damage multiplier. Surge staff also actusllyybad on regularl adds and bosses. I take as many Crit related talents as possible with surge. Nexus is top tier on surge

[foggy breach]

noted

[sonic whale]

Is it this one? I really like this one visually

[foggy breach]

its very similar to plasgun then

high burst low dps special and elite remover

[thorn tapir]

just use the weapon customization mod to make all your axes look cool 😎

[sonic whale]

I only like it as it fits for the Veteran's 'Soldier' aesthetic. Looks mass produced and so on

[sturdy dagger]

Honestly surge with bug and extra smite talents gets by with horde clear since it kills at 0 charge and ccs like 6 of em

[foggy breach]

?

[sonic whale]

Man I've almost done all Psyker Penances lol

[sturdy dagger]

?

[sonic whale]

[foggy breach]

i don't fully understand what you meant by taht sentence
also smite it no longer free with empowered psi, they fixed that

anyway yeah i'll give surge a shot though i'll probably go back to purg + BB just because surge build doesn't have that much cc

also anyone feel like theres fewer shooters lately

[fluid knot]

Surge is getting buffed by the 100andsomethingfucking% that Smite is supposed to be getting

So if you get a stack of EP, your Surge starts one shotting everything

Do not abuse the bug, you will just be sad when its removed

[foggy breach]

yeah i got that part

i didn't get the part about smite and CC

[fluid knot]

Oh, my b, sorry lad

Yeah then, Smite does no damage, but CCs the whole room

[foggy breach]

btw can you out-quell scrier gaze with a staff?

[sonic whale]

They said such a controversial thing, I can't believe you're just letting them get away with it

/joke

[fluid knot]

Yes, but only for a limited number of cycles (IE; Down to zero peril) it depends highly on your talent picks tho

some setups you will get 4 cycles, others only 3

[foggy breach]

cycles?

[orchid shadow]

It eventually builds up so fast that you can't out quell it

[foggy breach]

thats about what i thought

[fluid knot]

Close to max peril and back down again

[foggy breach]

also, gunpsyker, it looks interesting and its defintely what scriers gaze is for but i really wonder how viable it is in the context of other classes could really use that ammo

[fluid knot]

Very viable

You can shit out some huge damage without being a total ammo drain

[sturdy dagger]

The extra smite talent that increases how much it chains also affects surge staff

[foggy breach]

as a vet main i have to say, if i see you using a recon lasgun as psyker im killing you

you are going to eat all of the ammo and do nothing with it

[fluid knot]

laughs in recon las'

[foggy breach]

fuck's sake fatshark

[near wyvern]

Gun psyker is viable, for some guns you may wanna take assails to conserve ammo. Gaze is not that strong for gun Psyker, I would recommend to go for creeping flames instead, especially if you go for assails.

[foggy breach]

assail it is then

[near wyvern]

The only gun Psyker build that really benefits from gaze at the moment is dumdum infernus laspistol. With gaze and good aim you can kill a monstrosity in 15 seconds.

[fluid knot]

Idk if it still is post changes, but Vraks III was hella cracked with Scriers last patch

[near wyvern]

Vraks 3 monstrosity damage got toned down while laspistol got firerate and damage buff

[fluid knot]

Yeah i know Laspistol got some (kinda unwarranted) buffs, wasnt sure about what they changed on Vraks tho

If it was only monster damage, thats still probably a very viable pick

[foggy breach]

does the autoaim focus specials/elites?

i honestly don't get laspistol, maybe its because mine sucks

[near wyvern]

Vraks 3 can get around 2.3k+ or something on monstrosities with gaze, laspistol gets to 4k+ DPS including reloads during gaze

[foggy breach]

wtf

[fluid knot]

When you get a good one its one of the most powerful firearms in the game atm

[spice veldt]

laspistol has good crit and weakspot multipliers

[foggy breach]

why do the pistols keep being OP AF?

[spice veldt]

and is one of the few weapons with a nonzero crit chance (beside a class's base crit chance)

[fluid knot]

Fuck knows mate

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/fk7aL3DA9Dk

[fluid knot]

But pistols being good, i dont really hate

Unless its Shredder, but we had to tolerate that shit for like 6 damn months

[near wyvern]

Takes me 30 seconds if I am focused but because Mettle you don't really need to care if you get hit

https://youtu.be/zujw5jZXpBg

[foggy breach]

fatshark when uberbuffing pistols to outclass actual guns:
fatshark when challenged to have the plasgun and the bolter be good at the same time:

or really its more like plasgun viability comes and goes and i haven't really felt the need to use a bolter since plasgun became viable even with plasgun viability coming and going because it just drinks ammo

[lunar hollow]

bolter is fairly solid rn

[dense bramble]

I dont like bolter because headshots dont 1shot everything I need it to

[lunar hollow]

more so on vet than zealot because most of its buffs work better with the sharpshooter playstyle

[foggy breach]

it's got mad dps but plas is better at bursting down special so that dps only really matters against like a monster i feel

[dense bramble]

Plus sights are terrible compared to plasma perfect accuracy from the hip

[foggy breach]

and then its also mad clunky

and once again it drinks ammo

[sturdy dagger]

Somehow, infantry autogun>

[lunar hollow]

plasma still has absolutely dogshit ammo economy in a lot of cases

[dense bramble]

Plas drinks ammo but can be justified for the damage it does

[foggy breach]

^

[lunar hollow]

u can't really use that as a strongpoint because the only thing carrying it is when you get collateral kills

[dense bramble]

No I can snapshoot and 1 headshot any shooter from the hip with plasma at any range

Bolter cannot do that

[foggy breach]

plasgun gets like 86 uncharge shots or something and bolter gets 100

[dense bramble]

Through walls too

[lunar hollow]

what kind of benchmark is that? shooter clear?

what a weird way to gauge a weapon

[foggy breach]

but a single plasgun shot has infinte cleave so you'll never get cokblocked by fodder, can shoot thru thin cover (Which is niche) and kills basically anything in a few shots

bar like, bulwarks and crushers

[lunar hollow]

bolter does fine vs most targets. particularly if you have exe stance or go down the sharpshooter tree to grab suppression immunity

the only thing bolter is struggling with is infested enemies because its infested ADM is really low for some reason

[dense bramble]

Or I just do that with plasma and have 3x the mobility because not limited by the shit sights

[foggy breach]

eyo wait josho from eras server

[lunar hollow]

lmfao plasma has dogshit mobility

2 dodge count maximum

[dense bramble]

Compared to aimed bolter its epic

[lunar hollow]

the benefit to it is the pinpoint accurate hipfire, yes

but dodging/moving with it is terrible

[foggy breach]

they both have dogshit mobility but the plasgun doesn't take 2 and a half years to pull out

[lunar hollow]

bolter has a ton of QoL issues that just happen to be completely mitigated by exe stance

[foggy breach]

also bolter has fuckall mag size which isn't really a problem but it's worth mentioning

[lunar hollow]

because if im gauging something based on being able to be mobile, quickswap, kill specials, etc i'm just gonna take a revolver

[sturdy dagger]

Yall need to pick up colomnus infantry autogun

[potent echo]

Biggest issue with bolter is exe stance

[dense bramble]

Revo has less capacity for horde or special waves

[foggy breach]

that too, bolter is outclassed by revolver in mobile playstyles and plasma gun in more support artillery playstyles

[lunar hollow]

revolver is overtuned rn yeah

the only buff it couldve used was the finesse changes, base damage/carapace ADM was a stupid buff

[dense bramble]

Bolter is mid. yes it can do everything ok but its underwhelming at everything compared to specialized weapons

[lunar hollow]

bolter was only really bad with patch 13

[dense bramble]

Its not bad theres just such better options

[lunar hollow]

i would call it a good weapon with an asterisk next to it

[foggy breach]

^

[potent echo]

Bolter has better boss dps than plasma(?)

That's about the only thing I can think of

[lunar hollow]

because it has situations where it does better than most other competitors will (although it has a decent overlap with vraks 7 because theyre both DMRs at this point)

[dense bramble]

Do you really struggle for boss dps with plas though? The stun might be more of an advantage for bolter

[lunar hollow]

plasma still has dogshit sustained unyielding dps iirc

[foggy breach]

eh plasgun feels a bit mid vs boses yeah

[lunar hollow]

some of the worst in the game, IAGs still blow it out of the water to my knowledge

[foggy breach]

you do big burst but shoot/magdump slow

plasguns aren't about any kind of dpm, they about vaporizing the trapper from across the room

[dense bramble]

Or the 5 gunners pinning down the team

[lunar hollow]

also i would kind of not value special clear as highly on a weapon anymore

because damn near everything deletes specials

[potent echo]

Yea but plainly arguing about bolter vs plasma, at least bolter has better boss dps

[lunar hollow]

even the guns that were like allergic to hurting maniac such as headhunter autoguns do better than pre-patch 14

[foggy breach]

my plasgun rn just barely can't bodyshot gunners and it hurts me

[lunar hollow]

thank god plasma has head magnetism

[dense bramble]

Mine never did. Headshots are easy to hit

[potent echo]

Issue with bodyshot is it sometimes hits the arms of dregs which is unarmored

No flak bonus for you

[lunar hollow]

such is life

[dense bramble]

Didnt they fix that?

[potent echo]

No they fixed the arm modifier

But the arm is still unarmored

[lunar hollow]

different hitzones can have different damage multipliers

[dense bramble]

ok

[lunar hollow]

plasma ignores those now

but not armor types

[dense bramble]

ty

[lunar hollow]

like iirc dreg ragers have 0.85 damage on their head

which result in this really fuckin weird result because of finesse boost curve fuckery

where a crit headshot on a revolver would do less damage than a regular headshot

iirc

[foggy breach]

shits fucked lmao

[potent echo]

Amazing

[foggy breach]

certified no brain moment

[lunar hollow]

this game has a lot of bizarre things going on under the hood

[foggy breach]

my most played games are planetside 2 and tf2 im used ot it

[frail sand]

what are ur surge loadouts

i played HISTG with surge/smite/bubble alongside 3 zealots and idk it felt terrible

the other 3 staffs feel comfy to use, im just struggling with surge

[harsh urchin]

just abuse the surge bug

and the game will be so easy you never wanna use surge again

[frail sand]

[sturdy dagger]

That's the load out I use 2 mindlessly solo carry, equip empowered psionics rn

[frail sand]

is that the bugged branch

[harsh urchin]

here's my bug abuse surge build. haven't played it in a while though cuz it makes the game too ez

[frail sand]

ive been trying to avoid the bugged versiob lul

[harsh urchin]

surge is baseline is kinda ass ngl

[sturdy dagger]

My issue is my build didnt change when the bug hit, I just like lightning

[frail sand]

it felt okay before they buffed some special health

[sturdy dagger]

So I'll continue to accidentally use it

[cosmic sigil]

[frail sand]

apparently ive been using smite wrong.

i uh... did not know u can keep left click while holding right click

[cosmic sigil]

that happened to me the first time i used purgatus with my psyker

[frail sand]

ive literally only used it in short bursts for cc

my psyker is at lvl 110 (oops lmao)

[foggy breach]

plasgun moment

[cosmic sigil]

i as remembering flamer gameplay

except it's not

[frail sand]

baseline smite dmg is kinda ass

[cosmic sigil]

it's not its purpose

[sturdy dagger]

Huh? Elaborate please? Are you saying you can charge the right click while already left clicking?

[vivid merlin]

how do I get double voidstrike I have been polishing hadron all month

[distant roost]

you continue

doing so

[flint pawn]

Auric quickplay teams are quite a ride

[sturdy dagger]

It's insane material waste but I seem to always have better luck just going straight to ascendant and praying rather than mass producing blues

[flint pawn]

3 veterans arguing back and forth over each other using different weapons and what's good and what isn't and I'm just off to the side with Combat Knife/Purgatus/Brain Rupture

[glossy ember]

you can what

[sturdy dagger]

And yet u have top dmg?

[fallen apex]

https://youtu.be/OFeSC3TrlNc?si=cjfqE-3ARdNn8uWZ

So, I understand the idea of this is uncanny + soulblaze deletes elite packs, and scryers gaze just feeds into that and into being a "melee" build in general -
Aside from the flavor though, is there something in particular the force sword contributes here that can't be done by other weapons?

[flint pawn]

Top lesser kills and boss damage but not top damage I guess

I had second place against disablers and elites so I wasn't completely useless there

Purgatus never seems to get top damage when I use it but it still feels extremely effective, it's confusing

[frail sand]

like use right click to charge, then hold left click to continue to release smite

[sturdy dagger]

I never dont get top dmg with it ngl

Soulblaze wildfire crit build

[flint pawn]

There was exactly one match I got top damage

[dense bramble]

Really depends on enemy variation.

[flint pawn]

And the reason I got top damage was because I was last man standing

[frail sand]

i want to cast green fire

[dense bramble]

Whats your purg build?

[flint pawn]

And I had to hold off hordes and shooters and specialists on my own for 5 minutes straight until a random Ogryn joined and saved us

[potent echo]

I find that I only get top damage as purg if the team doesn't know what they are doing

[flint pawn]

The staff itself?

Or like, my talents

or both

[glossy ember]

so you can charge smite while smiting?

wtf

[potent echo]

If you can lead the charge diving into all encounters, sure you can get top dps

[dense bramble]

Yeah

[flint pawn]

That's probably why I don't get top damage, playing literally everything else made me cautious and it carried over to Purgatus

[frail sand]

as in, i did not know u can keep releasing smite until max peril

[glossy ember]

if u can can u record because i'm confused

[flint pawn]

Give me just a second and I'll have a link

[glossy ember]

[frail sand]

im sure its very basic, its just something i never learned/noticed before because am dumb

[hybrid cave]

Im in Stike team 2 I need Phyker build help...
Building 3 classes
Further details if you join

please and thank you....

[flint pawn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a8bd722-a1c5-4a38-89cd-05f08b69cf41

My staff is Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry