psyker-class

[clear heath]

sometimes things are attacking you while you want more peril

[echo turtle]

Nexus for a blessing

[echo turtle]

Then attack them back or reposition

[clear heath]

it's not every match it even happens, but it does happen

[brave fiber]

Flurry nexus are the only real options on purg rn

[willow hazel]

Yup, just tank a rager for a couple seconds then ult

[echo turtle]

Standing around and blocking to generate peril or a vent is just inneficient play, do it if you want but my advice is to use weapons activations while pushing and dodging if that's the goal

[clear heath]

no i mean with deflector against bullets

[brave fiber]

Crit chance and either unarmored or flak dmg

[echo turtle]

Again that's inneficient play

Deflector is there to save your life to reposition

[brave fiber]

I’d say so

[echo turtle]

You want to reposition and cycle the surge staff and vent rotation

[clear heath]

if you use your special against a gunner shooting you, you'll get shot to death
Of course the play is to reposition, but you can block and build peril while repositioning

[willow hazel]

That just takes longer than blocking. Either way you are doing 0 damage till you ult, why ult earlier?

[echo turtle]

Which is why stam is good as you reposition with better ability to DPS

Yeah I dunno what about what I am saying is confusing here

[charred cipher]

does reduced damage from enemy type alsdo decrease the cost of blocking those enemies?

[clear heath]

no

[echo turtle]

Blocking is not an efficient want to ramp up perils, therefore I suggest stam on weapon is a perfectly fine perk as it makes your blocking pool larger and more efficient

[willow hazel]

Blocking is only not efficient to create peril if you are running +stam

[echo turtle]

That is in response to people saying stam is bad because you want to get perils up faster. No you don't. Blocking with the goal to ramp perils is inneficient and wasting time you should be instead engaging with the surge/vent rotation

[clear heath]

you're telling people not to block and then telling people to get stam so they can block

[echo turtle]

Pretty straightforward

You are bad at reading

[willow hazel]

+stam also has a large oprotunity cost because you are losing hp, toughness, or a perk

[clear heath]

blocking is a waste of time a lot of the time. You don't need to block very long

[echo turtle]

I said specifically blocking -TO RAMP PERIL- is inneficient

[clear heath]

it builds up super fast wdym?

[echo turtle]

I've explained what I mean

[clear heath]

there are plenty of situations where it's the most efficient way to build peril

[echo turtle]

So go back and read

[summer prairie]

weapon perks for most psyker builds don't matter much, even mutant one-shots are of questionable actual value

[charred cipher]

im more interested in blockign for defensive purposes, as ive been pubbing in H I maps and occasionally need to just survive to pick people up consistently and or wait for my vent cd for just a few secons

[willow hazel]

weapon perks affect soulbaze damage, very relevant for a creeping flames build

You don't need +stamina or block efficency to pick people up in PUGs

[charred cipher]

i nearly always use assail, occasionally use my staff when assail runs out or low, i switch to my sword while moving or when surrounded to defend

[summer prairie]

I'd say they are mostly of value for the SB damage yeah, but even then I'm usually holding my staff

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I block to reposition. with the surge creeping flames build the sword is there to keep me alive, not do much killing it. Hence investing in the stam perk for it, with deflector. All I need is to reposition and start DPS again

[brave fiber]

Mutants should be tankier imo, they feel really squishy

[summer prairie]

+stamina is just for some clutch cases when everyone is already essentially dead

but not a big deal to have

[round summit]

best psy build is where?

[willow hazel]

In those situations spamming push is usually better

[clear heath]

I'm blocking to reposition and build peril at the same time
doing multiple things as once doesn't sound inefficient to me

[brave fiber]

whatever your heart desires

[echo turtle]

Which is why I think it's ok on a weapon, in some builds. But generally stam is trash

[brave fiber]

psyker is really strong no matter how you build him (minus gun psyker)

[echo turtle]

My stance is stam as a force sword perk is OK, if you take deflector AND kinetic deflection

[brave fiber]

Although even that is debatable

[echo turtle]

There's some optimal ways to go

[willow hazel]

Gunker builds can easily be better than staff builds

[brave fiber]

hence why I say it’s debatable

[echo turtle]

Than -some- staff buulds

[round summit]

where do i get the flamestrike ability? talents?

[orchid shadow]

Did Auto-shredder psyker fall out of grace? I haven't tried it since I came back after the patch to find out my loadouts were gone and was too lazy to figure things out for the gun build again.

[charred cipher]

how about for big bois, unyeilding carapace bitches, ive been swapping to voidstriker for it, is ther a betterway to deal with them?

[brave fiber]

You mean soulblaze? There’s some soulblaze talents as well as the purgatus staff if that’s what you want

[harsh urchin]

Autopistol got nerfed

[clear heath]

autopistol got nerfed

or well, pinning fire got nerfed

[round summit]

im lvl 2 so asume i cant get my staffs yet

[orchid shadow]

Booooo

[brave fiber]

I’m the wrong person to ask tbh, I’m still figuring it out

[gusty furnace]

Gunker's never been particularly strong. It was mostly riding on the strength of pinning fire.

[echo turtle]

I have not played a single auric damnation game where I wasn't top of the scoreboard for damage/spelites/lesser enemies running surge and creeping flames. This is without abusing the empowered bug.

The build is busted, I run it after some games with the vet and zealot and I legit feel drunk with power

[gusty furnace]

Now people are abusing the Hand Cannon bug on Revolver.

[willow hazel]

Columbus Mk5 is the new replacement for the Shredder.

[harsh urchin]

To be fair theres like 1 node that enables these builds

[gusty furnace]

IE: Gunker is only alive so long as there's bugs with guns and their blessings.

[harsh urchin]

And 90% of the time vet would probably do better

Since you have ammo aura

[summer prairie]

I got outdamaged once by a vet doing 850k, wasn't a long mission

[harsh urchin]

Which is the best passive node in the game

[brave fiber]

psyker cannot exist without bugs, it’s a tale as old as time

[gusty furnace]

Or Empowered Psionics and Lightning Staff

+125% damage on lightning staff actually makes it fun to use though, I'll give them that.

So I won't hold it against anyone using it.

New lightning staff is pretty bad without it.

[brave fiber]

Although it’s overwhelmingly broken

[orchid shadow]

I'm surprised a hotfix came out and they didn't fix that.

[clear heath]

i see hand cannon abusers as more of an assail build than a gun build

[gusty furnace]

Turns out that taking away its CC is bad when it also can't deal reasonable damage.

[echo turtle]

The staff is already busted without the bug

[willow hazel]

It's a few nodes. True Aim and toughness on crit interact really favorably with a high fire rate weapon

[gusty furnace]

Demonstrably untrue.

[harsh urchin]

Busted bad you mean

[echo turtle]

False

[gusty furnace]

Voidstrike and Trauma outclass it handedly.

[echo turtle]

LOL

[clear heath]

surge is fine

[strong gulch]

You can keep uncanny strike stacks up even through a bulwark shield.

Odd little thing.

[echo turtle]

I am top of the score board for damage and kills using that staff in every auric game I play

Without using the bug

[willow hazel]

It blows my mind people still don't think base Surge is good. It's the best or 2nd best staff

[harsh urchin]

Doubt

[gusty furnace]

Everything that procs 'On hit' procs on bulwark shield

[clear heath]

it kills specials and ranged really fast

[harsh urchin]

Show 3 scoreboards

[echo turtle]

K

One sec

[strong gulch]

How did I not know this. thanks

[summer prairie]

You can also get guaranteed headshots with the force sword push attack to keep them up, though why would you

[gusty furnace]

Fullbore, ogryn's toughness regen talents

What else. . .

Uncanny Strikes apparently.

[harsh urchin]

Are you gonna go find cherry picked scoreboards from 1 week ago

[clear heath]

I could show mine too. Surge + creeping flames with warp charges always gets me top damage

[gusty furnace]

Overwhelming Fire.

[harsh urchin]

Lololol

[echo turtle]

You gonna go fuck yourself?

[harsh urchin]

Called it

🙈

[brave fiber]

Base surge without bugs is good, it just feels kinda boring role wise compared to other staffs

[willow hazel]

Thats the build

[echo turtle]

You demanded scoreboards I said gimme a sec

[harsh urchin]

🤦

🤌

[hazy cedar]

Yep. Build is incredible. Don't know how people can play it and say surge is bad.

[echo turtle]

Don't be demanding scoreboards then following up saying I'll by lying about them

Either engage in good faith or fuck off

[gusty furnace]

Because you have to commit your whole tree to making the surge staff acceptable.

[summer prairie]

scoreboards with randoms running random builds don't mean much

[gusty furnace]

When a zealot can just grab a revolver or flamer

or ogryn can grab a club, stubber, or ripper

or veteran can grab power sword/plasma

[echo turtle]

So you want scoreboards or not?

[summer prairie]

I didn't ask for anything

[gusty furnace]

Weapons should be good on their own merits first.

[austere burrow]

The heck is creeping flame

[gusty furnace]

Then the tree should tune them for different use-cases.

[willow hazel]

What does that even mean? Like yeah it uses 30 talent points

[gusty furnace]

See: Voidstrike and Trauma

[round summit]

how do u properly use the first power u start with? i dont undetstand it

[austere burrow]

Oh fire shout

[gusty furnace]

Brainburst?

[hazy cedar]

I'm not sure what nodes you need to get on surge you can't use on other builds?

Surge is fine on its own, but when you generate half the peril and can spam it for days...

[gusty furnace]

You hold mouse 1

and kill enemies while you're hiding behind walls

[clear heath]

idk man, i think a weapon should always be considered with the build that runs it

[austere burrow]

I mean surge + fire shout is fine

[hazy cedar]

To be fair to trauma, that staff sucks unless you get a really good roll

[round summit]

and useless vs hordes?

[gusty furnace]

Its a single target tool

[austere burrow]

What's the debate

[round summit]

AIGHT

[willow hazel]

The peril generation is an upside for Creeping Flames and toughness regen

[gusty furnace]

Its not. . . particularly good.

Brainburst needs some tweaking.

[quasi junco]

Surge with what blitz ?

[orchid shadow]

Which power are you referring to?

[round summit]

not so fun at lvl 2 diffculty

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, its mostly something you use on:

Flamers, Trappers, Dogs, Machine Gunners, Ogryns, bombers and snipers.

[hazy cedar]

True. I swap between em. If I'm half asleep I go with -peril. Otherwise the other way around and make optimal use of it

[gusty furnace]

It at least has all of those on one-to-two shot breakpoints at low diffs

[willow hazel]

Also Surge just kills faster than the majority of ranged weapons, which is really strong with on-kill effects like Perilous Combustion and Psykinetic Aura

[austere burrow]

Venting shriek with the fire thing

Oh blitz

[clear heath]

smite

[gusty furnace]

Needs a bunch a warp charges or Empowered Psionics in damnation to maintain the same usefulness.

[brave fiber]

I don’t think the BB hate is warranted to the extent it is, but it does feel kinda bad without emp psyonics.

[echo turtle]

Here, I even included one where I wasnt on top, this was with my buddy mace a very good player MacReady, who is a true level 500 vet and his buddy.

[hazy cedar]

I don't think I even use a blitz on my surge build. I take brain burst for pathing but that's it

[quasi junco]

Oh I love surge/smite. But I usually pick shield. I’ll have to try vent

[gusty furnace]

It no longer grants you warp charges when someone kills a target out from under you, and doesn't refund the peril built up.

Its in a really shit spot right now.

And it takes forever to pop.

[round summit]

and i always need to fully charge it?

[austere burrow]

Creeping flame by itself is usually enough to crank up your damage lol

[gusty furnace]

Yes.

You cannot use it without fully charging it.

[hazy cedar]

BB + double shield + empowered psionics is workable but it still isn't amazing

[long wharf]

BB isn't in a good place

[brave fiber]

Yeahhhh, I feel like it would be cooler and more useful if it either charged faster or it did some form of aoe damage as well

[gusty furnace]

Brainburst is just in a really bad spot.

It needs more DPS.

[long wharf]

it needs to be, base, twice as fast to use

[gusty furnace]

It shouldn't take what, 2 seconds to kill something, if you have a million buffs up.

[hazy cedar]

Instant cast with cool down would fix like 99% of what's wrong with it tbh

[gusty furnace]

May as well just use an MG12 at that point

[summer prairie]

it's fine, you use it rarely and it's not build defining or anything, but situationally has value

[echo turtle]

I run it, with the build I got those scores with

[bleak tulip]

oh they even removed that? hilarious

[gusty furnace]

Or Voidstrike, if you wanna stick with the psyker stuff.

[summer prairie]

kind of like grenades

[echo turtle]

Its great boss damage and able to pick out stuff far away, good ina pinch

[brave fiber]

I think BB should lean more into doing unyielding and monstrosity damage, I feel like that’s what it should be meant for

[round summit]

yea this was extreamly boring thats why i asked, i want the lightning/arrowows or flamestrike

[clear heath]

this enough?

[long wharf]

the problem is that the situations where BB has value are too small

[summer prairie]

but for some reason psykers think their blitz is something they have to use all the time

[long wharf]

it can be made nearly irrelevant

[austere burrow]

Idk why ppl keep debating this strength stuff

Lots of builds are functional

[gusty furnace]

I use BB pretty much exclusively against ranged adds on my trauma staff build.

[austere burrow]

Who cares if it's good enough for you to clear with

[echo turtle]

oh I like those scoreboard breakdowns, what mod is that?

[clear heath]

I will say that voidstrike is probably still better

[hazy cedar]

I mean. You sorta can use assail all the time

[clear heath]

but surge has it's uses and isn't that far behind

[brave fiber]

psyker chat has a really bad problem with optimization. Just have fun dudes

[clear heath]

and also takes no skill

[strong gulch]

Can't even one shot ragers now. I get not one shotting oryn enemies, but ragers?? I'm lost on that.

[summer prairie]

yeah you can, but that's a separate issue

[austere burrow]

Ya I agree

[clear heath]

overproofs scoreboard plugin

[gusty furnace]

I blame this one on the fatshark play-testers.

[prime elk]

Seriously?

[clear heath]

came out pretty recently actually

[summer prairie]

you aren't supposed to one-shot ragers though

[echo turtle]

nice thanks

[gusty furnace]

They keep getting Fatshark to buff enemy HP

without context.

Just "Make game harder"

[quasi junco]

Yea no kidding. BB is only good with an EP buff

[summer prairie]

that's why they keep increasing their hp

[gusty furnace]

now everything is a gigantic bullet sponge

that kills build variety

[long wharf]

wrong. psyker chat is great for optimization, because the desire to optimize causes people to test things and discover what's broken and what works

[summer prairie]

though you do still one-shot dreg ragers

[quasi junco]

Do you even power creep?

[long wharf]

figuring out how the mechanics work is fun

[brave fiber]

It’s okay to talk about optimization, it’s not okay to flame other people for their build choices, which I see a lot of here.

[echo turtle]

its just fine with warp chargers, if you run say venting shriek. It is just a matter of using it at the right time with the right load out

[gusty furnace]

Hey, I'm not a playtester.

I'm just a naysayer that gets shit on because I think these changes are objectively bad.

Brauto is largely pointless now because of how fucking tanky ragers are.

And their solution is to "Just use the devils claw lol"

🙄

[echo turtle]

Dclaw is pretty good for that though

[brave fiber]

There’s just a weird need of everyone here to argue

[long wharf]

people who like to be right tend to argue, because that's how you discover what you know is wrong

[gusty furnace]

Just using lightning staff with empowered psionics while you can

simple as

as least its not as oppressive as Assail was/is

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

I want to be right - not "everything I say is right", but "everything I know is true"

[austere burrow]

I probably won't use surge anymore if they remove that interaction tbh

[willow hazel]

Surge + EP is well beyond Assail levels of OP

[long wharf]

and if something I know isn't true, I want that fixed

[austere burrow]

I like 2 shotting crushers

[clear heath]

I actually still haven't played with the EP bug yet

[gusty furnace]

Its almost like new surge isn't all that good

[echo turtle]

yeah surge is already very strong, doubling the strength is absurd

[gusty furnace]

Not enough killing power for the absolute lack of CC

[long wharf]

it's the only way the surge staff feels good right now

[clear heath]

idk it feels good without it

[austere burrow]

I'll try out the warp charges build later I guess

[clear heath]

if i had EP, i imagine a lot of the extra damage would actually just be overkill damage

[strong gulch]

I do think surge staff without EP is decent. My favorite build is surge + creeping flames + warp charges.

I get top damage a good amount of time with it.

BUT I think surge staff does need a damage buff (it's supposed to be single target damage), surge EP seems too much, creeping flames carries kinda hard, and our baseline expectations shouldn't be based on cracked weapons.

[echo turtle]

Json, you doing surge, vent, creep?

[long wharf]

I disagree, but we're arguing personal feelings here

[hazy cedar]

I love surge before the bug, and still now without the bug

[gusty furnace]

For small shit, yeah.

[echo turtle]

Im running exactly that

[gusty furnace]

But it lets you one-shot all specials

[echo turtle]

feels great

[willow hazel]

Just run it with Creeping Flames and Perilous Combustion and a bunch of CDR. Most damage every game and you never need to aim

[gusty furnace]

two shot all ragers

[brave fiber]

That’s fine, I’m just pointing out that people often get discouraged from trying new things because everyone focuses too much on the worst aspects of weapons or the worst aspects of talents

[clear heath]

It would be noticeably better against crushers and bulwarks

[gusty furnace]

three or four shot crushers and other ogryns

[clear heath]

a lot of the specials already die though

[echo turtle]

It tears through specials pretty fast already

[austere burrow]

Warp charges giving you huge peril resist is probably enough to make surge feel good without the bug

[echo turtle]

its kinda ridic

[echo turtle]

and vent

[austere burrow]

Ya

[echo turtle]

thats why its a build

synergy

[austere burrow]

For EP surge you're always capped out

But it's okay because everything is dead

[echo turtle]

I wont use it, for the bug, warp siphon is where its at anyways

faster quell, more CDR

[hazy cedar]

This

[echo turtle]

gotta keep the vent rotation going

[clear heath]

I feel like the build would be too boring if i didn't get to spam creeping flames as much, so i can't be bothered to switch warp charges to EP to try the bug

[echo turtle]

venting every 10-15 seconds and getting all the peril resist keeps you doing damage

[austere burrow]

I def think you should try EP surge if you haven't yet

It funny

[echo turtle]

naw, I dont like abusing bugs

[austere burrow]

Might as well enjoy it while it's there

[clear heath]

surge on its own isn't a very exciting weapon. I only like it as part of a complete kit where i'm setting things on fire and picking out threats

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt be enjoying it if they dont like using bugs now would it

[willow hazel]

EP surge trivializes the game. Takes the fun out of the game quick

[brave fiber]

I like what ep did to smite, the surge bug kinda makes me avoid it though

[echo turtle]

Here is the build I am personally using btw, its almost exactly what Selfish in war posted with a slight tweak to preference

[strong gulch]

There is a cost to EP surge tho. You have to be better about your peril management.

[austere burrow]

Yeah you have to quell more

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

"here"

where

[clear heath]

somewhere

[echo turtle]

this is the build I am using, Selfish_In_War uses smite instead of BB, both are good IMO
EDIT: This buiild is wrong I missed a point

[strong gulch]

I too enjoy taking your builds.

[clear heath]

this is mine

[plucky flax]

Smite surge for extra lightning!!!

[echo turtle]

oh wait, I allocated one incorrectly

[echo turtle]

does it increase the staff DPS much?

[austere burrow]

Took me a few games to figure out how far I could push the surge without shriek

[gusty furnace]

My surge staff has 16% quell speed

I use my force sword to quell

[bleak tulip]

[plucky flax]

No but it let you cc 3 targets instead of 2. I find it worth it for me.

[clear heath]

I used to run pretty much what selfish in war uses but i switched to taking the perfect timing node so i can 1 tap trappers without needing to take maniac damage perk

perfect timing is basically up all of the time

[echo turtle]

Reposting my take on the creeping flames build here as I messed up the last one

[strong gulch]

You don't need BB for snipers if you trust surge LMB.

[smoky turtle]

Shriek users, explain yourselves
What is the reason for using it compared to the other options given to you

[plucky flax]

Surge left click is very good against far away specials.

[echo turtle]

nice, I really like BB but I can see the value there 100%

[clear heath]

surge staff has like 30-50% crit chance so the crit buff nodes are great

[plucky flax]

And the right click has very long range anyway.

[bleak tulip]

its better

[austere burrow]

Lets you use your staff forever

[bleak tulip]

[brave fiber]

changing topic a bit, what do y’all prefer, 10% chance for a warp charge on soulblaze kill, or the 4% chance on any kill?

[austere burrow]

Mostly relevant for surge and trauma

[plucky flax]

I always take the 4%.

[austere burrow]

Purg and void don't care for shriek as much imo

But you can still run it if you want

[strong gulch]

Truly. It's always further than I think is it.

[echo turtle]

You use it to keep the staff output going, and it gives you a cone of soulblaze that deletes hordes

[willow hazel]

Creeping Flames at >85% peril kills everything normal.

It's a better purgatus staff

[austere burrow]

Ya that's useful too

[echo turtle]

yeah

[plucky flax]

Yeah sometimes the visual doesn't come out but it still hits too. Just right click 8/10 times you might just hit the target.

[bleak tulip]

time to retell the tale of me shouting at a downed vet once in auric, going back to killing shit and getting a 96 kill streak from the soulblaze

[echo turtle]

using lighnting and focusing on shooters and spelites, I still get more lesser kills than anyone else

[strong gulch]

Plus warp charges make the fire come back faster

[clear heath]

I am NOT giving up quietude
And mettle somewhat handles my need for in-combat toughness regin anyways with how surge is constantly critting multiple enemies

[echo turtle]

just by venting to keep up DPS

[brave fiber]

Going off of this the cone that affects enemies goes DECEPTIVELY far

[echo turtle]

VERY

[smoky turtle]

horde clear seems an odd thing to sacrifice an ability for given it's the most easily attainable thing in the game
Almost everything can handle hordes

[echo turtle]

both the cone and lightning have reach

[echo turtle]

its about efficienvy

[austere burrow]

You don't understand

[echo turtle]

if there is no horde, everyone has time to deal with everything else

[austere burrow]

It wipes out everything

[brave fiber]

Also instant peril quell is really nice

[smoky turtle]

Instant peril quell is nice, I admit

[echo turtle]

I can clear horde WHILE deleting spelites, you probably arent

[willow hazel]

Mettle feels worse than Warp Expenditure on Surge

[bleak tulip]

it kills everything and you literally dont have to stop doing what youre doing, in fact it lets you do what youre doing longer

its literally free dps

[strong gulch]

You can shout a bunch of fire and run or focus on other things.

[echo turtle]

exactly, more importantly your teammates don't have to waste thier time on horde and can focus on the real threats

[brave fiber]

It’s a really good “oh fuck I’m trapped” button

[smoky turtle]

Maybe I'll give it a try
It still seems redundant, but there's quite a lot of you singing praise for it so I'll assume my brain is just rotted until I try it out

[willow hazel]

Also Creeping Flames + Perilous Combustion destroys elites

[bleak tulip]

realistically they still hit burning shit but at least it makes em kill em faster

[strong gulch]

ALSO, I am noticing more that people have been taking fewer horde clear options as a whole in T5s. It might be evening out now. Perhaps people just wanted to play with new things.

[willow hazel]

It's everything-clear not hordeclear

[echo turtle]

its probably the best build in the game, you have like 3 people here posting the exact same load outs with maybe 2 skill point deviations

[austere burrow]

I feel in general it's worth trying out all your options

[echo turtle]

there is a reason the people running the auric maelstroms all come to the same conlcusion

[smoky turtle]

lmao
Well that at least makes it easy for me to try it

[brave fiber]

I think it’s just that most people go for horde clear in general when build making

[clear heath]

Warp expenditure is giving you 25% toughness if you go from 0->100
Mettle is giving you 5% on crit hit, and it actually counts the number of targets. If you crit literally 3 times on 2 targets each, you already gained 30%
Plus the movespeed is more useful than you'd expect

[strong gulch]

True. Or someone's gonna get got. So just mock and scream at the trapper or dog.

[austere burrow]

It isn't always obvious what's good just by reading

[willow hazel]

Didn't know if counted multiple times

[clear heath]

Surge staff with high crit boost has 20% crit, +5% base crit, +5% from tree, + 0-20% from warp nexus
So it's 30%-50% crit chance

[vague pier]

[echo turtle]

good point, movespeed is the difference betwen life and death a lot of the time

[strong gulch]

That was true for a time, but I keep having games in which people take single target stuff.

I'm just me tho. So small sample size.

[clear heath]

yeah the speed shines in clutches

[echo turtle]

mettle over quititude eh, interesting

makes sense, as a crit with smite is 3 crits right?

[clear heath]

yeah

[echo turtle]

with the +1 target

[brave fiber]

it’s weird because it’s the opposite for me, I always get games where I have a team that rips through hordes but struggles with monstrosities

[echo turtle]

yeah, damn thats legit

[clear heath]

I've never felt like my toughness regen is bad and the speed helps sometimes in really rough situations, so i think it's pretty good

[brave fiber]

Vets are almost always elite killers though

[echo turtle]

perfect timing would be real nice to have too actually

[gusty furnace]

That's because there's only a few specific anti-boss tools in the game.

Brainburst for psyker. Voidstrike if you can hit headshots.

Clubs for ogryn.

Hammer on zealot.

Plasma Gun on veteran, and even then its still pretty ass.

[clear heath]

Perfect timing helps my surge staff just barely kill a trapper with a non-crit and either high peril or 1 warp charge, without a maniac perk

[plucky flax]

If I take perfect timing I'll have to miss out on the +1 jump on surge. Need testing.

[clear heath]

it's a nice breakpoint for me

but also it's just a good damage boost in general

[austere burrow]

Vet gets power sword and kraks too

[brave fiber]

Every class with the exception of psyker has more than one I think, personally I think people just like to make horde clearing builds over high damage ones

[strong gulch]

I do get those too, but elites just go down.

Unless I am taking infernus laspitol, if I have the highest monster damage, it's a rough time. 🥲

[gusty furnace]

True, but you're hamstrung by the mobility on power sword, and needing to charge it up. So its not that power sword is good at it, its that POWER CYCLER is.

[clear heath]

I run flak cara on my surge and i'd rather not give them up. Surge on carapace is just borderline annoying so i really don't wanna sacrifice cara for maniac

[echo turtle]

@clear heath yeah thats a nice touch on dropping the 6th charges, I often find I dont get up there constantly cycling

[gusty furnace]

Which is a terrible way to balance a weapon. Just kill power cycler as a blessing and make power sword always have three activations.

ffs

[echo turtle]

extra 15% damage is chefs kiss

[austere burrow]

Most of the boss damage comes from push attack

Which cycler doesn't affect

And also that's still part of the weapon lol

[brave fiber]

On a side note it’s crazy playing so much psyker, never being able to do much monstrosity damage, then playing vet once and erasing them off the map with a mediocre boltor or thunder hammer

[smoky turtle]

Come to think of it which staff is best for carapace
Surge has always felt best to me but that is backed up by wishful thinking and a crack pipe rather than actual data

[gusty furnace]

1600 vs 1000

[plucky flax]

Mine has 25% maniac so I can kill trapper with 1 full charge.

[cosmic tundra]

why cant i buy catachan mk IV in brunts armoury?

[gusty furnace]

While that's a lot

[austere burrow]

Zealot and vet can both take guns that are good vs boss like the columnus

[gusty furnace]

you're getting two 1000 damage attacks with power cycler

on top of the 1600

so most of the damage does not come from push attack with power cycler

[clear heath]

it's probably gonna be voidstrike or trauma depending on how they're positioned

[gusty furnace]

it comes from light1/light 2

[neon steppe]

Brain burst or dueling sword are great for boss damage. I often have most boss damage as psyker

[smoky turtle]

smh voidstrike winning again

[gusty furnace]

https://streamable.com/vmd9xk

Until an ogryn that knows what they're doing rolls up

We luv our club sparky

Or zealot with a thunder hammer exists

[brave fiber]

they’re great, but only good in comparison to what other classes get

[smoky turtle]

I'll never tire of slapboxing monsters

[austere burrow]

You can also do this with rumbler lol

Op weapon

[smoky turtle]

Oh right the rumbler bash is a heavy melee isn't it

[echo turtle]

i personally run flaniak on mine, as there are so many maniacs out there, carapace is a chore though admittedly

[neon steppe]

True I pretty much only use club now on ogryn, best in slot for almost any problem. Can practically Just hold down m1 and walk through the level lol

[gusty furnace]

I put flashlights on both my rumbler and kickback

[austere burrow]

No not the melee

[gusty furnace]

[clear heath]

yeah other classes have options to completely destroy bosses. We don't really compete well in that regard

[gusty furnace]

Because flashlights>Bash

[austere burrow]

The shot itself perma staggers bosses

[smoky turtle]

Oh you mean just shooting it in the head? lol

[gusty furnace]

Extended Weapon Customization my love

Oh, yeah.

[austere burrow]

If you take sticky nade blessing

[gusty furnace]

Adhesive Charge rumbler is also great for this.

Voidstrike for psyker if you can aim.

Its a lot more tedious though

because the voidstrike hates registering headshots

[austere burrow]

It's the one 'weakness' of psyker

[smoky turtle]

I play Psyker specifically so that I don't have to aim

[brave fiber]

Please fatshark make BB a stronger monstrosity option

[austere burrow]

Only class that can't trivialize bosses

[strong gulch]

Psyker can do decent monster damage, but most of what they are geared towards isn't that. Without guns, dueling sword and BB is just ehh when compared to other class options.

My surge build has BB for snipers and monsters, but I would not call it great damage (even when I have top monster damage).

[austere burrow]

Voidstrike chain stagger is good but a bit slow

[long wharf]

dueling sword isn't "ehh" at all

[clear heath]

not having insane options against bosses is a small price to pay considering how strong we are at other things

[austere burrow]

Ya for sure

[long wharf]

dueling sword heavy stab is great

[clear heath]

we have okay things we can do against bosses

but like, the other classes just delete

[strong gulch]

Specifically for monster damage compared to other class's ability to rip through monsters.

Dueling sword is cracked tho.

[austere burrow]

Duelling sword is good vs boss

But it's honest

[bleak tulip]

https://streamable.com/cgsszb literally no effort, and you can boost this by just hitting shit in melee with uncanny, so it does more damage to actual threats

[austere burrow]

The other boss killers are not honest

Lmao

[echo turtle]

That's why I was taking BB, but the extra jump synergizes well with the crit talents

[long wharf]

as a psyker, I just assume the other players have boss kill

[smoky turtle]

What is that flashing number lmfao

[long wharf]

because I have everything else

[clear heath]

4 psyker team

suffer

[long wharf]

that is suffering

[bleak tulip]

the kill streak

its mostly funsies

but also helps you check how much youre doing

[smoky turtle]

amazing
That's very goofy, I like it

[bleak tulip]

mostly to fine tune how much to charge staves

somewhat useful for void to waste less time on trash

[smoky turtle]

Also wew I'd forgotten how short a cooldown that shout has

[bleak tulip]

and thats without warp charges

and only one CDR perk on curio

oh nvm I do run 2 right now

so 8%

[smoky turtle]

And that branch allows you to pick up the bonus cooldown reduction on elite kills in coherency or whatever too, right

It's probably just always up

Very neat

[bleak tulip]

with warp charge it basically is always up in damnation yeah

since you kill so much shit

[wanton sandal]

damn it feels good to be a psyker

[bleak tulip]

meanwhile still running DD because I guess I like the feeling of having to, as arco puts it, intuit the morphological field of the DD target to maintain stacks

[smoky turtle]

Is cooldown reduction worth a slot for curios with that, though
Max is 4% so that's using a curio slot for like -1.2s per curio
Provided you're actively picking it up and not getting it from the lottery

[long wharf]

4% CDR is 1.2s?

I doubt that

[bleak tulip]

idk I run it because I click too much and sometimes get the voices

any bit helps

[smoky turtle]

4% of 30 is 1.2 innit

[long wharf]

uh

10% of 30 is 3

half that 1.5

[wanton sandal]

could be nice to have on the longer cds, and combined with other CDR talents

[long wharf]

so I guess

[wanton sandal]

i dont really take it though

i prefer ordo dockets

[steel flame]

Common really peoplw

[long wharf]

I don't take cdr on my curios

[bleak tulip]

where'S the 10 coming from

its 4%

[steel flame]

Simple math here

[long wharf]

quick maths

[rugged halo]

Yes

[smoky turtle]

phew

[clear heath]

In reality it's probably going to be 4% of a lower number though, since you're generally taking the cooldown reduction aura.

so it's probably a little worse than that
but yeah i still take ability recharge on curios

it does feel noticeable

[smoky turtle]

Is that how it stacks? 4% removed from the already reduced cooldown timer rather than base?

[rugged halo]

I like how psyker chat is all about min-maxing our build, and zealot chat is just shit posting.

[long wharf]

I like having gunner/sniper res, +health on a health curio, stamina regen, and ordo dockets

[summer prairie]

cdr stacks additively

[smoky turtle]

Ok cool

[steel flame]

We had this issue before with quicken

[clear heath]

Oh does it? I just assumed the worst

[bleak tulip]

but yeah with 8% its a little bit, but the amount of times my dumb ass had the last braincell either on idle or wasting time singing along to a song and I popped with 0.3 seconds on the clock made me go CDR because what the fuck else am I gonna use on my curios, I deadass dont respect like 90% of curio perks

[smoky turtle]

Zealot can just revert to being a gorilla and not care

[summer prairie]

so with 3 cdr curios and aura you've 21.15s venting shriek cooldown

[hollow jasper]

@wanton sandal where do you get that sheet from ?

[bleak tulip]

assail is my worst enemy

[steel flame]

It's based off the reduced cooldown so it just worse if you take other cool down reducing stuff

[long wharf]

psykers are big brains

[wanton sandal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

[quasi junco]

lol my comment was in jest. Diablow 3 is the best example of power creep. Literally hitting for quadrillion at the end

[rugged halo]

Lol, the zealots are talking about runescape and why it has such appeal.

[wanton sandal]

psykers are paranoid schizophrenics

[clear heath]

Well even assuming the worst, i still take it on my curios

[long wharf]

not mutually exclusive

[smoky turtle]

My beloved says that's not true take it back

[clear heath]

Even if it's just like 2 seconds off for 3 curio perks, i consider it worth it

cause i spam so much

[wanton sandal]

one usually leads to the other

[clear heath]

a lot of the time i use the ability literally right as it comes up

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, that's fair.

[bleak tulip]

more like

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-mad-football-rage-gif-16650450

[rugged halo]

So, is there a build for smite/surge that allows me to spam charge surge more than 4-5 times with max damage?

While also gaining little peril?

[steel flame]

If you took no cool down reductions it's only taking off 3.6 seconds with all three

[bleak tulip]

catch my ass deliberating about half a second of CDR while ogryn's are sharing their favourite rock and still doing basically as much as we do

[rugged halo]

Or is that too much to ask for?

[wanton sandal]

idk, could try running warp charges for warp resistance

[bleak tulip]

we should all strive to be more like #ogryn-class

[clear heath]

i'm taking as much cooldown reduction as possible and also getting 4 warp charges

[steel flame]

It it actually was additive it might actually be nice

[clear heath]

so realistically less

but i still consider it worth

[quasi junco]

No thanks.

[rugged halo]

I guess, but I like the 125% damage boost for smite.

[clear heath]

I'm also just not that desperate for curio perks anyways

those 3 curio perks used to be ordo dockets before i changed them to cooldown

[wanton sandal]

true, though with warp battery you can get up to +24% more damage on max warp charges

[rugged halo]

Ah ok

[austere burrow]

Psyker does seem less reliant on curio slots

Don't care about stamina regen as much as other classes

[glossy ember]

Thoughts on whether I should upgrade rampage to 4, or upgrade one of the perks to 25% instead?

[austere burrow]

Which is like auto take on everyone else

[glossy ember]

rampage would be a 4% increase

[quasi junco]

Get Mk1 and start over

[glossy ember]

wot

[wanton sandal]

tough decision. i'd run rampage 4

[glossy ember]

mkiv has been very good to me

[quasi junco]

Mk1 dual sweeps for heavy attacks. You feel like a zealot

[glossy ember]

yeah it's conditional 4% vs all vs guarenteed 5% but only vs a specific type.

[glossy ember]

if I find one with big stats why not

wait, deja vu. did I alredy ask this question

ithink i did

thanks nonetheless lads

[bleak tulip]

did you just find the same image twice in your screenshot folder or something

[glossy ember]

i just use snipping tool

[bleak tulip]

I thought that still saves a copy

[glossy ember]

nah

[bleak tulip]

well I did set mine at work to do that at least I guess

guess it doesnt by default

[clear heath]

by default it's just on clipboard

[glossy ember]

yeah i didn't change it from default

[smoky turtle]

I think I'm gonna collect every force sword blessing before Hardon gives me Deflector 4

[bleak tulip]

why bother the difference is so small

[west stream]

Got this from Sire Melk, thoughts on modifications for an assail, scriers, dd build?

[bleak tulip]

what its like 2% block cost 3-4?

[smoky turtle]

my autism demands it

[bleak tulip]

F

[smoky turtle]

But yeah it's negligible

[willow hazel]

I think deflector is bugged, but even if it isn't it may still be better to run lower tier deflector

[smoky turtle]

Why's that?

[willow hazel]

With peril blocking, reducing peril created isn't always better

[smoky turtle]

I suppose
I have other means of generating peril though, but I get your point

I'd rather have it be strongest for defense so I can pick people up with certainty

[willow hazel]

A lot of stuff scales of high peril. Some more gun and melee oriented builds really want fast ways to make peril

[clear heath]

I don't think the difference is big enough to care anyways

[willow hazel]

Yeah it's incredibly minor

[clear heath]

it's like a low impact sidegrade

[willow hazel]

The takeaway is don't stress not having Deflector 4

[clear heath]

sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. usually it's whatever

[bleak tulip]

simply do not let the autism win

shrimply dont do it

[austere burrow]

I seriously doubt deflector 3 vs 4 will ever make a difference lmao

[clear heath]

it's too late
i switched deflector 2 for deflector 4 because bigger number is prettier

it already won

[austere burrow]

Maybe like 0.1% of cases

[bleak tulip]

did it also lock you out of a better mod

[clear heath]

no

[bleak tulip]

alright

[clear heath]

but i wasted like 20 plasteel

[willow hazel]

Optimized for inventory sorting

[austere burrow]

[bleak tulip]

also you locked yourself down unecessarily

but yeah

[clear heath]

actually the deflector wasn't there on the sword originally

[pulsar agate]

im looking for build ideas, is there somewhere on the discord to find builds?

[bleak tulip]

righto

[clear heath]

it was a swap slot anyways

[bleak tulip]

#1158835513789272126

no idea if theyre good

but the channel is there

[pulsar agate]

ty

[willow hazel]

If you scroll up bit we have like 8 versions of the Surge + Creeping Flames build

[pulsar agate]

perf

[wind wadi]

What melee for purg staff? Anything with uncanny ?

[long wharf]

I recommend something for focusing on single targets

aka mk4 dueling sword

[bleak tulip]

yeah uncanny might be deadass mandatory to get the most out of purg now

just alternate a lot

[prime elk]

How is purg staff rn anyway?

[bleak tulip]

feels like a lotta work but it does rip

underwhelming

[willow hazel]

viable not optimal

[trim fjord]

Hey does anyone know if dmg done from AI can fail the malleus monstronum penance?

[echo turtle]

just did an auric maelstrom with the creepingflame build
\

[bleak tulip]

probably

[wind wadi]

Bot DMG does not count

[bleak tulip]

oh nice

[wind wadi]

They can ks you tho

[trim fjord]

Thanks king

[bleak tulip]

rip that one guy earlier who kept trying to get his bot killed

[smoky turtle]

bigly damage, nice

[echo turtle]

its the best build

insane dps

without even abusing the empowered bug no less

[clear heath]

It's amazing how good it is for how little effort it is to play it

[echo turtle]

It's wild

[bright mica]

same lmao

[bleak tulip]

simply press F

[bright mica]

creeping flame ftw

[strong gulch]

Bots only live and kill things when you want them to die. 🥲

[echo turtle]

4 psykers could do a maelstrom with the build without taking any damage honestly

[clear heath]

well a boss would be pretty rough

[echo turtle]

Tap the primary fire

It's ok DPS

[clear heath]

but 1 boss killer and a psyker would make it very easy

[bleak tulip]

its still painful

compared to every other class

[wind wadi]

Blue fire everywhere

[echo turtle]

A knifelot or hammerlot would do amazing

[bright mica]

eh the build i run i like having other slabs of meat between me and the enemy

[echo turtle]

Actually bosses would be fine

[bright mica]

surge staff + surge :d

[clear heath]

have 1 friend who does good boss damage and your games as a psyker are a breeze

[willow hazel]

Staff primary does bad damage to unyielding

[bright mica]

and combat knife

[echo turtle]

Creeping flames can get dots to like 35+

4 psykers could burn down a boss dealing like 800 per tick

[bleak tulip]

every 20 seconds

[gentle hinge]

that's not a knife, that's a knife

[clear heath]

my friend plays a lot of vet builds that tend to do good boss damage so our runs are generally pretty smooth

[plucky flax]

Surge without bug. The soulblaze only did 1/2 damage of the surge staff itself.

[bleak tulip]

secretly this is why they havent fixed the bug

[echo turtle]

Surge procing it on spelites adds up

Knifelot is amazing though

[plucky flax]

This is surge with bug. Soulblaze did 1/3 damage.

[echo turtle]

My knifelot deals 1/3 of the assination boss damage it one hit

Bahaha

[clear heath]

i would've expected a bigger difference when using the bug

[echo turtle]

Yeah

[clear heath]

i guess a lot of the damage just ends up being overkill

[echo turtle]

But less CDR means less soulblaze too

[bleak tulip]

its a lot of difference in melee maelstrom

but in general its not as extreme

[willow hazel]

Yet more single target damage means more soulblaze...

[echo turtle]

Sort of, you gain DPS from cycling the vent

More vents is more uptime, so it's a bit of a wash

[plucky flax]

This is blaze trauma. The soublaze damage is close to actual damage from the staff.

[willow hazel]

Doesn't Blaze Trauma cap at 6 stacks?

[plucky flax]

Yeah but don't underestimate 6 stacks. Also with 6 stacks, then you press f, that becomes 12 stacks.

1 elite dies, that's 15.

6 doesn't mean it'll stay at 6.

[willow hazel]

Yeah it's just after you ult it doesn't do anything

[plucky flax]

It gives you a head start on beefier targets.

[willow hazel]

Or after 2 procs of combustion

[glossy ember]

wait does that mean blocking efficiency on curios is bad

[plucky flax]

Wut combustions and creeping flame max stacks is 31.

[willow hazel]

I wish it was capped at like 9-12

[plucky flax]

A target will be capped at 6 from trauma. But it'll keep going up from shriek and combustion.

[willow hazel]

I mean combustion procs twice for 6 stacks, now Trauma crits don't apply soulblaze

[bleak tulip]

this sounds like someone needs to test it

[plucky flax]

Aye but how often can something survive more than 2 full charge blasts from trauma?

[willow hazel]

Running Block efficiency is just not strictly better than not running it

[strong gulch]

If you're a mid player, often.

[glossy ember]

I guess if you want to build peril by meleeing

it's bad

but if you're already high peril it doesn't matter?...

situational at best

[plucky flax]

Btw why does my scoreboard history put me 3rd?

Is there an option to put me in the 1st position so it's easier to see?

[clear heath]

no idea

[keen slate]

So close

[bleak tulip]

shit is just random I think

it also differs from the end screen to the F5 scoreboard sometimes

[keen slate]

it's random

[bleak tulip]

just to double fuck you up

[plucky flax]

But game in progress correctly put me in the 1st position.

[bleak tulip]

simply look for the orange name, thats how I usually find myself

most oranges

[plucky flax]

I am not that good.

[bleak tulip]

there is a "juiced" joke here somewhere I am too tired to dig out

[bleak tulip]

sedition gamer moment

[plucky flax]

Sedition masterclass.

[marsh flume]

whats the dump stat

for psyker?

[echo turtle]

skill

[marsh flume]

for the staffs

[echo turtle]

you used to need it a lot, now not so much

depends on the staff

[marsh flume]

nomanus and voidstrike

[echo turtle]

all the stats matter, damage being the most important, maybe qeull and charge rate after that

[bleak tulip]

blast radius is dump on void

[hollow current]

first gift in ages that wasn't utter shit. with block eff seems like it's ripe for a deflector meme build.

[fossil snow]

is surge still bugged with empower?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[half turtle]

no lol

[fossil snow]

: (

[half turtle]

i can really consistently get to the first, sometimes second heal with it solo

[echo turtle]

block efficiency doesnt work with deflector if you are running kinetic deflection, which you should always do

[half turtle]

it basically solves the problem i've been having with trauma where it's super immobile and needs space

and the other problem where bosses just instafuck my run because i have no good options on them

it's only slightly worse than ds4 at dealing with mutants/ogryns, about the same vs dogs/flamers/gunners and i don't really melee other than that

[hollow current]

ah rip. tho i don't see a reason to never not take kinetic deflection since it's so easy to get and there's a crit node along the way

[half turtle]

i basically take kinetic deflection to be able to manfight chaos spawn

and for pickups

[glossy ember]

maybe if you're minmaxing... something idk

psyker seems to have decent amount of points to spare

[brazen warren]

at 0 peril you have absurd block up time for rezing so long as there are no shooters or specials, real reason the perk is great

[half turtle]

yeah sorry that's what i meant by "pickups"

[hollow current]

best part is if you have 0 stam and block a hit you don't get stun cucked

[half turtle]

i also have been using a ton of bleed knife and the push-attack fucks on knife

kinetic deflection lets me waste all my stam spamming it out repeatedly with no downsides lol

[brazen warren]

still need to learn how to pester a beast of nurgle in melee, but that is really annoying because the director loves to spawn a bunch of stuff with it

[hollow current]

It's hard but hit the zit if it's not aggro'd on you

[clear heath]

the worst is when they spawn a beast of nurgle in a narrow tunnel

[half turtle]

you can usually run up to it, hit it 3-4 times, side-dodge the barf, then kite it in ranged for a bit, repeat forever

[brazen warren]

dakka mode columnus SG for the melt if it isnt looking at me

[half turtle]

assuming you're solo and there isn't too much shooting you

otherwise just fucking run and snipe shit lol

i feel like the real problem with bon is that it eventually covers the whole room in puke and then you get swamped by other shit because you can't move

[echo turtle]

Yeah always take kinetic deflection. It is the best talent points you could ever spend

There was a reddit post the other day about how a curio for stam is mandatory on a psyker. I was just like wtf, do you even understand how to dodge?

[half turtle]

tbf spamming push-attack like doubles the knife's dps

but psyker already has the fastest base stam regen in the game

[echo turtle]

Yeah, knife is alright but realistically the dueling sword is better except for the fact you can't chase down trappers with it

[half turtle]

ok actually i do run stam stam health on curios atm

[bleak tulip]

but why tho

[echo turtle]

That's a waste imo but you do you

[half turtle]

yeah dueling sword is definitely better all-around

[echo turtle]

Knife is fun

[brazen warren]

I like knife because I can sprint extra fast with the power attack

[plucky flax]

Double stam gamer mister zealot.

[echo turtle]

But it's not what I would call optimal right now

[brazen warren]

cover insane distance

[half turtle]

it's definitely not optimal with a team lol

[echo turtle]

I like my knife zealot with shroudfield, so when I wanna run knife I play a class it's good on myself

[frank moat]

Wait what the heck

[half turtle]

rn im doing stam stam health with tough regen + stam regen + gunner resist on all the secondary slots

[frank moat]

Am I meant to be able to push with the force sword from 10m away

[echo turtle]

Gonna be honest, that's a huge waste

[half turtle]

yes

[half turtle]

why?

ok to be clear this is a build for solo

[echo turtle]

Stam is pretty useless on psyker

[frank moat]

How had I never noticed that, jeez

[echo turtle]

You don't need it for blocks and you have the fastest Regen already

You could be taking health and toughness instead of stam and stam regen

[half turtle]

i don't need it for blocks except when i get backed into a corner and need to edge out of it by spamming push while panicking

[brazen warren]

knife SG gunker works pretty well for me after trying it out, closing gaps with pesky back line shooters is really good

[half turtle]

because i don't have a team

literally i don't have a team, that's not shade, this is a solo play build

[brazen warren]

spam SG all the time

[half turtle]

SG seems fun but it felt bad for melee and i don't like shooting guns much 😢

[clear heath]

wait this is for solo?
and you're taking toughness regen? The stat that only works on coherency regen which you don't have?

[echo turtle]

You don't need it even then is what I am saying

[half turtle]

i don't need it 90% of the time but the other 10% of the time i just wipe

almost all my wipes are because of space issues, not literal stat check issues

[clear heath]

the stamina i understand. I assume you're just planning on blocking and running past everything

[half turtle]

like there is no situation where 20% hp would help me survive, because by the itme i'm taking that much damage i'm already dead

[echo turtle]

You would have more space running a deimos and having a better push

[half turtle]

yes but i need to be able to dps down bosses by myself while other stuff is spawning, and bleed knife is much better at that

[frank moat]

I realise stamina isn’t exactly the meta pick, but something about the added value is just extra enticing for me. Like with toughness and health, since we have the lowest base stats we get the lowest return on percentage based curios, but with Kinetic Deflection a +3 stamina curio is basically giving you +6 stamina since it applies to both regular stam and peril block stam

[half turtle]

i tried both actually

[clear heath]

but what is the toughness regen speed doing if it only works on coherency and you have no coherency regen?

Is this solo but with bots?

[brazen warren]

to become a monster in teamfights

[clear heath]

but he said solo

[brazen warren]

fair

[half turtle]

no

does it really not work at all on toughness regen?

it felt like it did

[clear heath]

it's coherency only

[echo turtle]

Ah this is specifically for solo? Yeah I could see why that may work better there

[half turtle]

the fuck

why am i getting like 15 % per warp kill then

[clear heath]

I tried testing it ages ago. you could try testing again to see if it changed

[clear heath]

Are they melee kills?

[echo turtle]

You want more health as sometimes you just get hit by a burster and if you don't have a larger health pool you just die

[clear heath]

Are you doing illisi kills or something?

cause that would be like 12%

[half turtle]

no usually trauma

if i pop 1-2 guys i get a crapton of toughness back

it felt like it affected "fake" regen and some dude who was soloing zealot used it x3

[clear heath]

do you happen to have a clip of this? don't really feel like changing my curios back to test

[keen slate]

Which one do you think is better?

[clear heath]

maybe it changed

[half turtle]

yeah i should actually test it lol

[echo turtle]

It was tested before and confirmed only to work on coherency regen

[half turtle]

i was just lazy and assumed this other guy was right

[clear heath]

the tests i've seen were really long ago tbf

[echo turtle]

The zealot was probably running longer, which makes you always count as in coherency

[wanton sandal]

def the 2nd

[half turtle]

he was running benediction tho

idk

[echo turtle]

Weird

[half turtle]

maybe he just misdid the build LOL

[wanton sandal]

20% on maniacs AND high finesse?

that's one-shot babee

[echo turtle]

Lol yeah honestly I think he's just made a mistake

[glossy ember]

gaddamn i love surge staff wtf

[clear heath]

lol maybe

[glossy ember]

it's putting in work

[wanton sandal]

its super good

[half turtle]

hmm maybe that's the real reason i keep dying

[frank moat]

Honestly I’ve been trying out a stamina curio for the past few days because I felt the opposite

[glossy ember]

the way it explodes maulers

[wanton sandal]

would change riposte to uncanny strike though

[frank moat]

What’s the point in stacking 3 +21% health curios when I still get one tapped by silent Crushers

[half turtle]

swag numbers

[glossy ember]

shoulda swapped to triple 3 stam curios so you can block em

[smoky turtle]

The health curios aren't for saving you from crushers

[half turtle]

health is mostly just good bc it means you can eat 3 instead of 2 bursters or whatever

[smoky turtle]

Reminds me though I've still not seen a single +3 stamina curio
Like ever

[half turtle]

burster accidents are hard to prevent

like teammates shoving them into you

or some dude shooting it with plasma as you run up to shove it

[frank moat]

I’ve got 3 of the suckers in storage

[wanton sandal]

the +3 stam... exists!!!!!!!!

[frank moat]

And one on my Ogryn

[half turtle]

i had a pile of like 5 and i rolled pox hound resist + xp + dockets on all of them

[wanton sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-daniel-one-piece-damn-daniel-one-piece-eneru-luffy-gif-23835084

[glossy ember]

da stam piece..

[acoustic path]

Team burster resist trinket

[smoky turtle]

This is a guilty pleasure of mine, though I only do it to friends rather than pubs

[charred cipher]

whats the bes thing the psycker has for carapace / unyeilding enemies?

[wanton sandal]

surge lol

[half turtle]

i've considered unironically running corruption resist on all my trinkets for normal aurics

[wanton sandal]

or dueling sword/deimos

[acoustic path]

Brain ruptures

[wanton sandal]

that too

[charred cipher]

i thought brain rupture was ultra garbo

?

[echo turtle]

Honestly not a bad idea, I considered the same but I think the cool down reduction is hard to pass up

[half turtle]

voidstaff is amazing against bulwarks/crushers

[glossy ember]

it's pretty decent

[acoustic path]

Run this and see

[smoky turtle]

Brain rupture is fine just slow
But against crushers everything is slow so fuck it

[wanton sandal]

best with ep

[glossy ember]

I use BB in my build, I don't use it often but it's good ver super far targets

[half turtle]

im a big brain rupture stan but it's deifnitely finicky

[austere burrow]

Just find a zealot who takes corruption aura

[half turtle]

if you run shriek you can often snipe out 2 specials in the back of a horde with F > brain burst twice while dodging back

[acoustic path]

Brain rupture is amazing

[half turtle]

it also opens bulwarks

[glossy ember]

have you considered taking off kinetic flayer in favor of kinetic deflection?

[half turtle]

i actually don't think it's usually worth using it to put damage on crushers

[honest robin]

idk how dueling sword builds look these days

[half turtle]

you want uncanny strike, everything else is perfect

[acoustic path]

Why?

[glossy ember]

15s cooldown is kinda meh especially if the target it ends up hitting it a low hp mob

[half turtle]

flayer is fun but it's random

yeah

[honest robin]

uncanny strike over which?

[austere burrow]

Either

Keep whichever one you like more

[charred cipher]

so the tree is identical for my assail other than obivosly pathring to assail, how are you proccing brain rupture?

[acoustic path]

Elites and hordes

[austere burrow]

I personally like riposte better but I'm sure someone can argue for precog

[acoustic path]

Constant up time, 7.5% on kill, elite fast ball + regen means always up ult, use that religiously

[glossy ember]

this is what i run BB on

[charred cipher]

i mean for its auto cast? do you manually cast it on bigger bois and just let it auto cast from surge or void or something?

[half turtle]

dang, dome gaming

[glossy ember]

i gotta learn how to be a rectangle chad

[half turtle]

i can't get the hang of dome it never goes off when i need it to

[glossy ember]

haven't gotten there yet...

[acoustic path]

Right click and hold if nothing, use cover and quick cast from ult, takes no time to use

[echo turtle]

Honestly, the directional shield is way better than the dome

[half turtle]

like the cast animation just gets stuck

[glossy ember]

i've had good success with it

[half turtle]

10% of the time

and then i die

[acoustic path]

You can generate your own ruptures easily

[glossy ember]

yeah i just haven't really given it a shot

you can't go wrong with dome

[half turtle]

like with flayer??

[half turtle]

i think best part about it is that it stops dogs/mutants/bursters in their tracks

so your team can just huddle behind it and leisurely snipe shit

[austere burrow]

Riposte gives you basically 100% uptime 20% crit which lets you one shot stuff (notably muties)

Precog also lets you one shot muties with less rng but you have to click the head immediately because only 2s buff

[glossy ember]

also i'm running warp charges so I assume that 2x walls => resetting warp charges twice

[acoustic path]

Flayer works whenever on sword and purge staff

[glossy ember]

so I'd only benefit from 50% of the cdr from warpcharge instead of 100 right?

since it'd be split off

[acoustic path]

You can get it to proc on left pushes and specials, damage is a bonus, not a thing to be relied on, if you’re using it like an ability, you’re thinking about it wrong

[half turtle]

well if you can get 6 charges by next time you cast it it'll probably be fine?

but i haven't really played with warp charge walls much

[acoustic path]

It’s another crit

[glossy ember]

do you usually just cast one ?

or do you cast both

or situational

[honest robin]

i'll keep these sword things in mind if i ever see uncanny strike lol

[charred cipher]

ssweet ty ill fuck around with it, want the penance anyway lol

[half turtle]

you mean like, "kinetic flayer is basically a secondary crit"

?

i think flayer is really fun but it does hit random poxwalkers like 2/3 of the time

[austere burrow]

Even uncanny 1 would be worth swapping on

[half turtle]

it's really satisfying when you pop the mutant with it and 1-shot him tho

i've also managed to like, kill specials on the 0-damage stagger edge of trauma blast with it

[austere burrow]

I think riposte is safer to keep, but you should probably figure out which one you like better before locking the blessings

[acoustic path]

Yes, even if it’s on a pox walker, the amount of times I’ve had a random crit be a life or death thing when hitting hordes of ragers and specials is well worth the 1 point

[glossy ember]

huh

double wall shield triggers Kinetic resonance twice

at the same time

do they stack

[half turtle]

hmm yeah, i just personally like kinetic deflection because i can control how i use the upside (like i can purposefully go low stam because i know i can still block on peril), i don't think it's actually better but it feels better to me bc of the control

[acoustic path]

You don’t need deflection if you can dodge and play around walls and corners

[half turtle]

well sure but you also don't need flayer lol

[glossy ember]

yeah they don't stack

[austere burrow]

Kinetic deflection also guarantees revives

[glossy ember]

shame

[austere burrow]

Which is big imo

[half turtle]

^

[wanton sandal]

biggest reason i take it

[acoustic path]

Then remove points from the top to get the side if you need the extra deflect

[wanton sandal]

i basically turn into an ogryn if my peril is low enough

[half turtle]

like you don't need flayer if you can just reliably dodge everything either

[austere burrow]

You can pretty much always just run up to someone and res them

[acoustic path]

You should always be high peril

[smoky turtle]

ok nerd

[austere burrow]

Even at 90% peril you still get an extra block

[acoustic path]

If you’re running brain rupture there is no reason to not be

[wanton sandal]

my sibling i run smite

i do NOT want peril

[acoustic path]

If I I’m close enough to the enemy I need to block I failed anyways

[austere burrow]

Not necessarily

[glossy ember]

ah is that why you don't run quell speed talent

[austere burrow]

The strength of deflection is that you can force that situation

[half turtle]

yeah i don't think flayer is worse than deflection

i just prefer deflection personally because i can choose how to use the upside

whereas flayer just... happens

[acoustic path]

I don’t need to quell, you have nearly 100% up time with elite and rupture

[glossy ember]

ohhh

right

0 peril usage

[acoustic path]

Preference is fine, one over the other because “it’s bad” isn’t

[half turtle]

oh i think that was someone else lol

if someone did say that

i run flayer a lot because it's fun

[acoustic path]

It’s good, I like it, it’s just not necessary

[full bane]

Imagine if psyker gets access to bolt pistol when it drops in 10 years

[half turtle]

i just don't run it on Super Try Hard sweat runs

[unique mist]

Thats just someone fucking around in a mod, not a leak or datamine

[glossy ember]

devil's claw+ surge had the most elites killed, both melee and ranged

love that weapon

[half turtle]

surge is really fun now, esp with the exploding lol

i swear that enemies explode buff was like

the biggest buff for surge to me

[austere burrow]

Same

[shell igloo]

Would it be broken if mindflayer only procced on taggable enemies? That could be neat

[austere burrow]

It's so sick

[glossy ember]

why do enemies explode now

it's pretty funny tho

seeing maulers explode

[half turtle]

maybe that would make my teammates actually use tag

[austere burrow]

Surge got buffed to use the smite kill animation

[wanton sandal]

speaking of datamine, we got any upcoming psyker swag?

[half turtle]

actually i don't even think flayer would be that busted if it only procced on tagged guy

whc in vermintide just flat made tagged enemies take 20% more damage

[wanton sandal]

whc?

[half turtle]

it might be annoying sometimes though because i often use tag on a disabler or sniper that i'm trying to make space to deal with (but currently can't hit) while fighting stuff in melee

[wanton sandal]

havent heard that one

[half turtle]

witch hunter captain, one of the saltzpyre careers