psyker-class

[glossy ember]

just like a crussian roulette!

[quartz eagle]

what's a good psyker lightning build?

i wanna do more damage

[glossy ember]

ok cool, thought ranged would edge out

[near wyvern]

You referring to surge or smite?

[lunar hollow]

its very playstyle dependent for the most part

[quartz eagle]

smite

[bleak tulip]

except for zealot which is just degen general chat

[near wyvern]

Wait a minute

[rare storm]

What mods are you using to see seperate melee range dmg

[glossy ember]

uhh

scoreboard damage mod

but i don't think it's completely accurate

[rare storm]

hmm I have that but it seemed bugged for me

Everything is just 0 lol

[glossy ember]

see the total damage

it's lower than the separate damage instances

so some weird wizardry going on

[rare storm]

odd, when I use the damage mod it doesn't work at all

[loud tiger]

anyone know what warp resist effects on the surge staff?

wondering if it's a dump stat

[glossy ember]

outdated maybe?

[dark stag]

Does the gunner res stack?

[olive ember]

How fast you build up peril

[olive ember]

Psure yes

[rare storm]

Hmm... I'll download it again when nexusmod is back up lol

[near wyvern]

@quartz eagle

Smite until 85+ peril, ult, keep holding smite (auto qullells on hitting 100 so can't explode with it). If you hit 100 quell to 50 and smite again.

By the time you hit 100 peril again either the enemies are dead or you are ready to ult again.

[glossy ember]

[olive ember]

Also speaking of curios @near wyvern ngl if I didn’t know better I’d think the curio section of your guide was a funny troll

[loud tiger]

ohhh ty!

[near wyvern]

Why so?

[bleak tulip]

just make the vets melee for you

[rare storm]

but anyway I think it takes into consideration your overkill dmg + boss damage

[olive ember]

Idk I think the curio perks are meme

Like corruption resist

[glossy ember]

[glossy ember]

overkill should make it much higher though no? That's like 100k above 400k. Boss damage is like 7k...

[olive ember]

Over the flat percentage dmg resist like gunner res, sniper res, and the flat stat increases like health and toughness

[glossy ember]

it's so joever.

unless I roll the crit one

no plasteel

[quartz eagle]

ty ill try it out

[near wyvern]

I did list corruption resist at garbage tier

[willow hazel]

What is smite adding here though? Once you ult everything is dead, why so much smite?

[olive ember]

Grim resist mb

[near wyvern]

Cause once the initial ones are dead you have wildfire applying only 4 stacks to incoming things which is not enough to kill. Enfeeble smite finishes the job and the cycle continues.

[olive ember]

And gunner res should rly be S and sniper res S toughness regen down to A imo

[orchid nest]

as far as the curio section, I don't feel like toughness regen is needed on post patch psyker. it's not that its bad, just psyker is so good at refilling toughness anyways now. personal opinion at least, I definitely wouldn't have it a tier over everything else at the very least

[glossy ember]

any thoughts about blocking efficiency? I don't think it was even mentioned in the guide. I guess it's overkill with a 3 stam curio?

[near wyvern]

I did specify it's only good if you are running grims and have no extra health

[thorn cedar]

If you actually do use block proactively as part of your defensive toolkit then yeah it's worth having. Most people don't though. The average player even at high level blocks <10 attacks in an entire match.

[near wyvern]

Gunner resistance is only three enemies in the game:

• Scab Gunner
• Dreg Gunner
• Reaper

We ain't no Ogryns, those are not hitting us well. And if you are in the distance where they would, dodge, dodge slide, sprint and sprint slide avoids it all.

[glossy ember]

i feel like i don't the whole match but then wave of ragers happen and at that point i start blocking

a lot

or people die

and i revive em in middle of horde

[thorn cedar]

Yep, that's my feeling with it too. It's not that you block all the time, but when you are blocking, oh fuck I need more block.

[near wyvern]

Yes the stam is all you need

[olive ember]

Idk I disagree even on psyker stacking toughness res means you can tank a bit of the volley if you are out of position or engagin to something

[unique mist]

yeah stack DR

[glossy ember]

aight, so i guess most generalist pick is just toughness health toughness regen

[unique mist]

why toughness regen

that just affects coherency toughness gain

[glossy ember]

huh, does it

[unique mist]

which is not the majority of your toughness regen

[olive ember]

Sniper res is pretty important

[near wyvern]

You can never have enough toughness resist. At 100 toughness you take no chip so the more you have toughness generation the faster you can make mistakes. Toughness regen also shortens the delay after taking damage for the coherency regen to kick in.

[thorn cedar]

Toughness Regen is pretty overrated for anyone not an Ogryn yea

[orchid nest]

yeah also agree as I just said, I only take it on ogryn now

[near wyvern]

Shooters are the biggest bane of a Psyker so toughness is king

[thorn cedar]

And even on Ogryn I don't really recommend it over other options.

[orchid nest]

I had it pre patch but not now

[olive ember]

Idk toughness regen I’ve heard some rly wish washy things and I personally don’t feel a lack of toughness regen when playing

[thorn cedar]

Shooters can suck on my D. ... flect.

[unique mist]

god i really need a good videon on how exactly toughness works vs enemy types

[olive ember]

Meanwhile I def deal when my toughness breaks in 2 seconds to a singular gunners

[glossy ember]

zap once
instantly explodes

[olive ember]

Or getting one shot by a sniper

So imo both gunners and sniper res is more important than toughness regen

[plucky flax]

Toughness regen is so good for loner zealot.

[olive ember]

Loner zealot

[bleak tulip]

I'd love to see how much of my toughness gets regen by coherency vs soulstealer, I feel like its 10-90

[glossy ember]

if only bigfish would tell us things

[bleak tulip]

I feel like toughness regen aint worth it when you get all your shit back for free all the time

[thorn cedar]

I keep hearing about this mystical Loner Zealot and its benefits but it's just coherency 2 aura when out of combat which ??? Like am I missing something because that's frankly bad lol

[olive ember]

It is fucking trash

There is basically no reason to take it outside of point efficiency

[thorn cedar]

Use the aura if you gotta but lets not pretend its secretly amazing

[olive ember]

Tho if you listen to Reddit it’s amazing

[orchid nest]

I would be willing to bet that the amount of extra toughness you regen on psyker from the perk vs how much weight the talents are pulling that it's not more than toughness saved by resisting gunner fire. and that isn't even an endorsement of gunner resist, it's just how much weight the talents should be pulling for you

[bleak tulip]

it just makes you have to deal with most of the shit with 3 people while the zealot is looking at his bleed stacks

[plucky flax]

You're alone and you regen toughness. Solo objectives. Solo clutch.

[olive ember]

You could just do that by killing things tho

Solo

[plucky flax]

I do kill things.

[thorn cedar]

When you are taking or receiving damage you are not regenerating coherency toughness

[spice veldt]

tbf unless your aura gives ammo, auras are kind of whatever for the most part

[thorn cedar]

I have big love for da bacon of purity

[spice veldt]

bacon

[thorn cedar]

yas da bacon

it makes me pure

[glossy ember]

huh, didn't realize you could nade cancel with surge staff rmb

that's neat

[near wyvern]

Yes, the talents are good. I am not saying the perks get most of your toughness back, I am saying there are many moments where you would take chip damage if you didn't have the perks. One of such example is if you are fighting a monstrosity that is focusing you (plogryn, chaos spawn, scab captain). When playing a character with the smallest health pool, you want to avoid getting chipped as much as you can.

[mental rock]

I remember sprint cancel surge

[glossy ember]

sprint cancel

[near wyvern]

I hate it that Deimos sprint cancels into H1 after first L1H2 combo

[glossy ember]

i wonder if you can still trigger the faster charge blessing

oh yeah you can

neat

[near wyvern]

You should be able to cause it's on a timer

[orchid nest]

Yeah it isn't bad, I don't think it should be a tier above everything else though. That implies it is a must have and I just disagree there personally. I barely noticed it and rolled it off post patch. You can just take quietude basically along with soulstealer or whatever. it pulls no weight when you are under fire because you aren't regening, and downtime is for venting. especially if it is a monstrosity, which will build peril for you just blocking specced right anyways

[near wyvern]

You can even swap weapons without dropping flurry

[glossy ember]

sick

imagine if nexus didn't drop

[near wyvern]

It doesn't

[glossy ember]

upon switching weapons?

sorry

i should've detailed

[near wyvern]

It's just not active until you pull out

[mental rock]

I was about to say- isnt it based on peril?

[glossy ember]

oh i see

oh yeah

you don't lose it

[plucky flax]

Loner clutch with stealth and without stealth
https://youtu.be/jdu8HWH_r-c
https://youtu.be/1CFixK92vi0

[glossy ember]

it just pops back

[wet cloak]

Tfw you want a strong force weapon against monstrosities, but the only thing Fatshark gives you is a gun and BB.

[near wyvern]

That peril is not enough, a full Peril bar is worth 25% toughness when it goes up and then 50% more when it comes down but for that to be actually enough regen you should manually quell, where as with coherency regen you can just keep smashing their face

[spare light]

Can't DS/Deimos slap monstrosities pretty hard?

[near wyvern]

It definitely contributes but more so after target switch

[wet cloak]

Deimos is okay, but it won't slap

[near wyvern]

Yes, the best monstrosity melee weapons

[orchid nest]

If you are able to be aggressive you are able to soulstealer up. and in the case of a monstrosity, you are likely pushed out of full coherency anyways unless it is a scab captain. I just don't notice the loss of it at all.

[wet cloak]

I actually don't know what you mean by DS, but I might just be stupid

[spare light]

Duel Sword

[wet cloak]

I refuse to use the duel sword, but I do know it's good against elites.

[near wyvern]

I just take my plogryns to dance in a corner, you shouldn't pull them too far from the team

You need them to keep the adds away

And soulstealer requires you to kill stuff

[orchid nest]

Yeah that is ideal, but I can't dictate what my team is doing

[near wyvern]

Can't do that when having a chat with big bois

[thorn cedar]

I watched both and these are just Zealot Clutches. There was about 40s in the first one and maybe 2mins in the second one of total Loner regen triggered and its when your toughness was trickling up very slowly. It did not meaningfully contribute, other than perhaps allowing you to select the Nodes that actually helped you clutch.

[near wyvern]

Well that's a big lie

[orchid nest]

it's very likely at the very least I'm like 2 coherency, and even then. it just isn't needed. it's an option for sure, but not needed imo.

[wet cloak]

Against monstrosities and if we take all the weapons available for all the classes, then I don't think it's in top 10. But I could be wrong.

[near wyvern]

Everyone is free to do as they please, but that's what I recommend

[orchid nest]

absolutely, just sharing my thoughts since the topic came up

[wet cloak]

Not that I often have to worry about monstrosities if I have a zealot or ogryn with me.

They tend to deal with em.

[spare light]

I tend to tank them 80% of the time

[wet cloak]

Veteran is usually off rubbing the wall or something, I dunno what vets do.

xD

[spare light]

Zealot & ogryns usually killing a few chaf mobs while I'm tanking it

[near wyvern]

If we take all the classes in question we know Psyker monstrosity damage is a joke unless you are running Scrier's Gaze laspistol.

Out of the melee weapons Deimos and Duelling Swords are the best option for safe and "fast" monstrosity DPS. And Deimos definitely slaps as it can easily one shot mutants on the H2.

[spare light]

I do wish psyker had more ways to deal with monstrosities

[wet cloak]

Ah I was specifically talking about monstrosities Pygex, but I do agree with you.

I use deimos because I like to slap elites, even on damnnation.

[plucky flax]

Yeah and without that aura you get 0 toughness back when you kill with range weapon. What if you're low on hp? Hr get triggered, then die. The point is its a way to let you be comfortable alone. 15% toughness Dr is nothing when vet and ogryn can get much higher than that.

[lost vale]

15% is better than 0%

[wet cloak]

I think with my build if I have 6 warp charges, then I 1-2 shot most elites with my Deimos.

[orchid nest]

chainsword can be pretty good monstrosity dps too. higher even. but it's likely someone else has bleed

[plucky flax]

With 15 or with 0 all your toughness get broken from a bruiser hit.

[near wyvern]

Just slap uncanny strike + slaughterer on it and you don't even need warp charges if it's a mixed horde

[still hearth]

The thing is

All Zealot auras suck

So just run whichever you're closest to

[wet cloak]

I definitely would, but unfortunately I got a bad roll, but it's the only Deimos I have for now. But I'll try to follow the advice!

[spare light]

15% toughness dmg reduction aura is aight I guess

[near wyvern]

It's extremely risky, you have to stunlock yourself multiple times

[spice veldt]

it's nice for when you're not the target

[thorn cedar]

You alwaya get toughness back on ranged if you have that node selected. That's not a Loner Aura thing.

[still hearth]

15% is alright except both Zealot and Ogryn already have five billion DR

[spice veldt]

for boss damage that doesn't rely on hitting weakspots

[still hearth]

Also Zealot gets toughness on all actives

And have 0 CD

[orchid nest]

it requires practice for sure. but it's so far ahead of realistic, non psykhanium scenarios that the bleed alone will likely outdps someone using a deimos or ds to poke them unless it's a plague ogryn alone and you are clutching and nothing else is around. which is basically a psykhanium scenario

[still hearth]

But 15% DR is just eh

[spare light]

Their auras don't matter cause they are usually too far ahead anyways

[still hearth]

It's a multiplicative curio

[plucky flax]

What node? I don't run any range kill giving toughness node.

[thorn cedar]

Fortitide of Fellowship is the only 'in coherency' node in the entire Zealot tree that Loner can keep active, and it makes the 2.5 toughness regen you'd get into a whopping 3.1

[stoic gazelle]

What do we call the Psyker's three talent paths? I know Biomancer is one, I think

[plucky flax]

I don't run that either.

[thorn cedar]

You said ranged kills gives toughness. That's Voice of Terra

Or Inspiring Barrage which is also not coherency dependant

[plucky flax]

I got toughness back from loner.

[thorn cedar]

Yes, 2.5 per second after 1.5s of dealing and receiving no damage

That's all it does lol

And only if you really are totally out of coherency.

[plucky flax]

I have toughness regen on my curious.

And that's still toughness regen when alone. Benediction gives you nothing when alone and clutching.

[thorn cedar]

So almost 5 and .7s delay or so

[spare light]

Knife zealot is great for clutching

[thorn cedar]

Benediction is flat 15% at all times.

TDR that is

[plucky flax]

15% is not a lot.

[thorn cedar]

It ... it kinda is.

[plucky flax]

A bruiser will kill all toughness.

With our without 15%.

If you want to see a lot check vet and ogryn.

[thorn cedar]

And a bruiser will kill your toughness less if you have ... less TDR?

[plucky flax]

What? 1 hit will remove all 100 toughness. Benediction or not.

[thorn cedar]

I'm just trying to understand your argument cause it's really incoherent, no offence.

Your clutches are legit. But your reasoning of Loner's impact is incorrect.

[plucky flax]

Incorrect according to you the person wasn't playing and feeling the flow of combat.

[thorn cedar]

You would've done them pretty much with or without it, unless, again, taking Loner allowed you to spec your tree in a way that let you clutch it from the impact of other nodes.

I watched your videos dude lmao

If that wasn't evidence then neither of us have anything to offer one another.

[plucky flax]

I wasted points to go back to chastise from taking loner. Not optimised but loner is a must for me.

[spare light]

Loner just means the emperor is always with you

[thorn cedar]

But he is always with us!

Alwaysssssss!

[plucky flax]

Zealot is my highest tru level class and I've experienced a lot with patch 13 and 14 to find the most optimal way to carry a mission.

Loner is the aura for it.

Loner and stealth stronger than loner chastise.

[lethal folio]

The most optimal way to carry is to max movespeed and ignore everything.

[plucky flax]

Yeah but might die at the lift waiting for teammates to catch up.

[thorn cedar]

thats what the stealth is for

[plucky flax]

6s stealth

[bleak tulip]

just hide in a corner

they cant see you

[lethal folio]

and FIRE grenades

[bleak tulip]

ez game

[plucky flax]

Make it 30s so I can do all objectives.

[thorn cedar]

if u turn off your monitor then u cant see them which means they cant see u

its very simple

[zinc phoenix]

Losing your religion?

[bleak tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T_JqilF0-ro

[quasi junco]

lol I doubt many here would get that reference

[bleak tulip]

old

[amber canopy]

any essential perks for an MK IV dueling ?

[bleak tulip]

uncanny

oh perk perks

maniac I guess

make mutie one shots more consistent

[amber canopy]

👍

[minor pelican]

is it better to fully legend class my relic's if i get the chance.

[sonic whale]

Does anyone have a build that uses Seer sight successfully? I can't look at it as a viable skill

[brazen warren]

what is the website to get a full image for a build?

[past brook]

if you've got a 1440p screen, the games lanter editor can show the whole thing
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
alternatively get this mod if you're on PC
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

[brazen warren]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f28c4-b11a-4a90-92f6-3ff0374003a5/gunker-4

is what i use

takes getting used to though

[past brook]

this is mine
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a7f2a32-8b31-4d45-9820-2fe533d63193

[sonic whale]

Does it require the use of guns? The title makes me think so, but I like my staves

[quasi junco]

This but using las pistol sounds fun

[wind wadi]

No - but it would be significantly less effective

[brazen warren]

swap out what you want for weapons, I prefer those though

VS can work with that build, the others not so much

but adding in staves ontop of SG mid combat can make your peril management kinda annoying

[sonic whale]

less effective to not use guns, or to use them? Sorry bit confused

[wind wadi]

The first one

[feral seal]

A 3 stam curio is always kinda wanted for ds right?

[quasi junco]

How do you kill carapace well with that build? Or do you smite them for teammates to slay?

[brazen warren]

head poke with dueling sword 2-3 shots crushers, 2 shots maulers/ragers

ragers are tricky though

otherwise yeah, smite for CC

[quasi junco]

Ok, and I take it taking fire is for monstrosities?

Raking

[sonic whale]

Ah rip, I personally would rather be the Warp powered machine gun with my staff 😅

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f302f-0a74-498f-b6c8-3c8b5bfec2f5/specialist-splatter
This is my current build

Brain Rupture to splat specials at range and the staff to smack anything else as well as the powerful charge up for the Voidstrike

[wind wadi]

I mean if it's fun and you aren't anchoring then go for it

[sonic whale]

Sword for melee with hordes

[quasi junco]

Brain rupture needs buffed imo. I rarely see people use it in damnation

[brazen warren]

yep, quite reliable dps because you can hipfire strafe with SG up at mach 5

[sonic whale]

I swear I saw in the Patch Notes for #14 that the speed slow-down on Brain Burst when moving was decreased but it does not feel like it has changed

[random cliff]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a7f3909-8036-4d39-b9a4-720a1187db8a

how is this

I've been having fun with it in 3-4 but I don't know if it's actually that good

[olive ember]

for surge staff?

you waste two points getting mind in motion

take mettle and perfect timing instead

well personally i would spend the two points on kinetic deflection and then forgo battle med and warp expenditure for mettle and perfect timing

If you are using surge staff

[random cliff]

If you're talking about mine then no

revolver

should have both weapons in there

[steel flame]

Perfect timing is mid

[wet cloak]

Anyone want to complete malleus monstronum?

[swift prawn]

hey guys, do i want toughness or hp (or what else) curio base for psyker? also what are the most desired perks on the curio

[long wharf]

one day, I hope you learn the magic that is taking a snippet instead of a whole-screen screenshot

windows-shift-s is that magic

[keen slate]

Psyker team assemble

[long wharf]

that's a lot of surging

... for the purging

[olive ember]

ehhh

i'm too lazy

[long wharf]

well clearly

[olive ember]

[unique mist]

1 wounds 2 health with minor perks of 2 gunner 3 combat ability regen 2 health and that leaves 2 free slots for your choice (toughness, health, resists (sniper), revive speed)

[fresh reef]

woah, thanks Big E, that's a nice one

[swift prawn]

ok, a question then

why not toughness curios if psyker has a good toughness regen? doesnt it synergize?

(asking for real, im new to this)

[paper harbor]

this sword damage is quite off between two

[feral seal]

Would you recommend a stam curio if using dueling sword?

[fresh reef]

depends on how you look at it
With more toughness, getting chipped in melee is less detrimental because you take less permanent damage since you have more health to bargain with

since Psyker's regen is so good though, you could also take health because why increase that buffer if you're already generating +100 toughness extremely quickly?

[pine nova]

holy fuck, my sweat

non auric btw

[fresh reef]

Excuse me

fucking

TWELVE?

GUH!?

[fresh reef]

icing on the cake lmao

[pine nova]

I had to solo a nurgle from 50%

mid horde

[robust sierra]

is there a way to hit breakpoints on psyker? notably maulers, crushers and mutants?

for BB

[paper harbor]

anyone wondering why? (edit: i guess must be first target value)

[swift prawn]

what are breakpoints

[robust sierra]

like being able to 1 shot those enemies I listed

[swift prawn]

makes sense, ty

[robust sierra]

no problems

there's all sorts of breakpoint charts for all sorts of weapons

for instance if you're using a lasgun will you be able to 1 shot a flamer on a headshot with what specific perks and blessings etc

[pine nova]

this staff is fucking goated

[robust sierra]

is war nexus and flurry just the best for all staves

[pine nova]

maybe not BiS but really good

[swift prawn]

isnt surge better for voidstrike?

[pine nova]

yea

[robust sierra]

idk

[swift prawn]

what's a "better" staff for big boys? voidstrike or surge staff?

[feral seal]

Void

[swift prawn]

nexus + surge? and what perks

[feral seal]

If you're a good headshotter fully charged will stagger I think

Also more damage than surge

[swift prawn]

i guess carapace

[feral seal]

Not sure

[pine nova]

surge still 3 shots crushers

[swift prawn]

and unyielding(?)

[pine nova]

while ccing

[swift prawn]

or flak

[feral seal]

I assume by big boys you mean monsters

[pine nova]

oh

yeah void is way better

[feral seal]

If you mean crushers then it's more even

[swift prawn]

so for monstrosities/bosses its void

[pine nova]

yea

[feral seal]

Yeah

[swift prawn]

with surge+nexus carapace+(what)?

[pine nova]

unarmored

[feral seal]

Depending on the boss doing headshots with ds is better than surge even

[wet cloak]

Maniac

[swift prawn]

ds?

[pine nova]

it hits a breakpoint for gunners if you have I think 76%+ damage?

[feral seal]

Dueling sword

[pine nova]

can 1 tap them in the head

[swift prawn]

is ds way better than any particular type of sword? im using atm ilisi, but idk if its good

[pine nova]

illisi is the best force sword

[long wharf]

mk4 dueling sword is best right now

[feral seal]

I haven't messed around with the other weapons but mk4 feels crazy good

Heavy headshots are yummy

[long wharf]

heavy attack is the perfect head/face/weakspot stabber

I love one-stabbing mutants

[swift prawn]

what mods would i want for ds then? perk and bless- wise

[long wharf]

uncanny strike

[swift prawn]

what else? 😄

[long wharf]

second is whichever you like better

[swift prawn]

i dont know the options yet

[long wharf]

if you do a lot of dodging, there are two dodge-based blessings that work well

[feral seal]

Is it worth picking up a +3 stam curio for ds or is it kinda unnecessary?

[long wharf]

I use a stam curio

[feral seal]

It's certainly a lot more comfy

[long wharf]

it helps with blocking and peril blocking

[feral seal]

Haven't got peril block yet cuz still not 30

It feels fast enough that I don't really even need to block even in hordes

[swift prawn]

what about DS perks?

[robust sierra]

you guys think I should get this from melk just for flurry?

[onyx sentinel]

I’m starting to get annoyed that BB with EP doesn’t one shot scab ragers or maulers

[swift prawn]

i am kinda new to the game with having around 40 missions done (around two on 5, ten on 4, and the rest around 3) but from what ive seen and tried i feel like BB is the weakest :v

i might be delusional tho

[onyx sentinel]

Once you get to higher difficulty where multiple flamers/bombers spawn that can end your run, using BB with kinetic resonance can save your team from wiping

[past anchor]

hold it and build another one to see if you can get wf 4

[swift prawn]

idk what is higher since in the diff5 i feel like BB would make me weaker

(in those two runs)

[past anchor]

survivability wins games at the high end

[onyx sentinel]

With how strong the rest of psyker’s kits are, it can feel underwhelming without empowered psionics, yes

You generally bring it with trauma or purgatus

[swift prawn]

i mean with EP i feel like using assail (glass shards XD) is better since i can just voidstrike the "bulkier" elites (or my vet friend grenades them)

[native perch]

Anyone seen the purple assail shards?

[past anchor]

i like assail with DD more overall damagfe output at the high end just harder to upkeep

[spice veldt]

purple shards are crits

i like DD over EP since your other weapons will benefit from it, and I'm not in the business of spamming assail shards too much

that +30%-ish weakspot/crit damage also isn't to be scoffed at

[past anchor]

im running dd and scriers on damnation paired with the duelling sword

messing with the secondary, i know i like all the staffs but trying to see if i can push more damage with different guns

[lyric burrow]

i need to try an EP build

er

DD

not EP

guessing it probably pairs well with DS

[past anchor]

max stacks of dd also one shots specials

[spice veldt]

hmm can you hit 1.5k damage with the current patch

[past anchor]

i go with 15 for the longer time

i dont like the unreliability of highlited enemies

[swift prawn]

auto crit?

[past anchor]

not sure, mainly use it for the duelling sword

[spice veldt]

ye

+30% finesse = +30% crit damage and +30% weakspot dmg

[keen pawn]

hey who's the guy that kept preaching about lasgun build being crazy on psyker

trying to find the build, my friend is curious about it

I'll try to do a search

[robust sierra]

flurry and nexus is the meta for all staffs right

[swift prawn]

mind sharing the tree? im curious

is soulblaze useful?

[onyx sentinel]

blazing trauma is arguably better than flurry, check the pins for the steam guide

[vapid lichen]

is the transfer peril blessing good

[robust sierra]

ok, thanks

[onyx sentinel]

Godlike on voidstaff, trash on everything else iirc

[swift prawn]

also how did you squish your tree like that xD

[steel flame]

aight

so get this

we just died in the last room before the archivum finale

and the game decided to spawn us at the start of the mission

so now this poor zealot has to finish the rest of the game by himself

HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN FATSHARK

[unique mist]

happened to me too in another mission

[ornate hamlet]

@here All psykers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719235448895176716/1168740042475311145/explode.gif?width=828&height=963

[steel flame]

was that really ping worthy

[solar sand]

uh

[next meteor]

which weapons is it good to pair assail with?

[orchid shadow]

I've seen this in a happen in real-time. I was spectating another player who was waiting to be rescued and I saw them slowly slide from their rescue spot then pop to the previous rescue spot before an airlock.

[meager plinth]

happens often on the consigment yard too

[torn palm]

What is the order of best to worst for the dueling swords?

[meager plinth]

if you die after the mid mission hack event

[polar herald]

is smite good with the force sword and voidstrike staff?

and which force sword is the "good" one?

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/G7Qr.gif

[lyric burrow]

ok DD + Scriers with a DS is actually very fun

[restive slate]

Most like Illisi

[polar herald]

ok cool.

how would a smite build look like? I like the idea of stunlocking hordes of mixed elites and specials

which keystone works best with it?

[blazing echo]

Illisi - horde clear
Deimos - single target
Altho
Mk4 duelling sword - better than Deimos and heavy can take out a mutant w one hit

Fast enough to manage hordes

[polar herald]

like right now im looking at either smite with illisi and voidstrike or bb with illisi and purgatus

[restive slate]

I like smite as a control tool that i pull out when necessary

Smite isn't good 3nough to be your main form of attack

[polar herald]

yeah thats why i got the voidstrike on that one

I know its damage is hella low

its for stunning

[restive slate]

Thats a good pairing

[polar herald]

what keystone does smite and bb want respectively?

[restive slate]

Also force throwing, its fun throwing mass number of enemies off ledges

[polar herald]

haha

[restive slate]

Hmm Smite is quite flexible, I prefer the warp charges for consistency. The one on the left

[polar herald]

i feel like BB would want empowered for bigger booms and faster cast right and like you hold the charge if it kills an elite

and can stack up to 3

so i dont have a psyker yet is "combat ability" like venting shriek and stuff?

[restive slate]

Thats the idea, unfortunately bb is the lesser out of the three blitz atm. It gets the job done but not the best

[polar herald]

really its bad?

[restive slate]

Venting Shriek still a very powerful tool, keeps you in the fight and has plenty of control

[restive slate]

Not bad... just not great

[paper maple]

i swear i see psykers pumping out massive dmg using smite but it just feels soso for me, whats the trick or is it just their surge staff

[polar herald]

i heard its a surge staff glitch

where it adds the empowered to their surge without using the charge

[restive slate]

Surge is glitched yes

[polar herald]

so surge staff + 125% damage lol

[paper maple]

omfg...

lol

[next meteor]

okay would a diviner/stub revolver build be at all viable

[restive slate]

One shots Bulwarks

[polar herald]

yeah not one to take advantage of exploits

so id rather not do that

[restive slate]

Its fun, though i prefer IAG

[paper maple]

yeah no me neither, was hoping it would just be some ability that i looked over

[next meteor]

IAG?

[restive slate]

Infantry Autogun

[next meteor]

ah

[restive slate]

IAG have strong headshot damage and Scryers Gaze buffs that

So good synergy

[polar herald]

so I guess im going smite with voidstrike staff and warp charges

[restive slate]

If you manage to land a revolver with CrucianRoulette/Surgical with Handcannon. Thats a god weapon too

[polar herald]

what perks and blessings on illisi? also for voidstrike I guess its the 2 shots on crit + the crit chance one?

and perks for void as well I guess

[restive slate]

Hmm meta is Slaughterer, the 2nd can be whichever you like. Flak and Maniac is safest perks

Void is plenty strong on its own, even better if you found the Surge Blessing for double shot goodness

[silent coral]

what is the meta for dueling swords though? BiS perks and blessings?

[obsidian arch]

whats a good staff to compliment brain burst

i guess for horde control

[polar herald]

is empowered smite good? I know the damage is whatever but I feel like spreading faster might be worth it

[restive slate]

Uncanny Strike boosts your damage against big boys even more. Then either Shred or Rampage, depending what you use DS for. Perks the usual, Flak, Maniac

[silent coral]

which MK is best btw?

[restive slate]

Spread is prioritised over damage, yes

[restive slate]

Community agrees on 4, though personally i like all of them

Remember to use your weapon special poke for that lovely stagger

[polar herald]

how does this look. I admit i just copied the talent setup from somebody else haha
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f7bcb-5d77-4001-8fe9-f462c33a68e1/psyker-test?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[pine shore]

Is BB rmb broken for anyone else?

it just doesnt work

[restive slate]

I rarely use BB rmb anyway haha

[pine shore]

There is no reason not to use it with empowered psyonics

[snow coral]

Is Smite considered Ranged Damage?

[polar herald]

so any thoughts on my randomly put together build up there haha

[solar sand]

worth rolling?

eh

[dark radish]

what perk should I get on my Voidstrike. personally I think the Stat and Blessing is looking good on this one

[dark radish]

Too low charge speed I think

[polar herald]

surge

and repace blazing that looks freaking stronk

blessing is good you said nvm

[dark radish]

What should I replace Blazing with?

[polar herald]

surge 2 shots when criting

[dark radish]

What about Perk?

[solar sand]

.06 second difference from an 80 roll, .99 compared to .93

[polar herald]

no idea on perk honestly lol

[visual prism]

does surge staff still work with smite talents?

[solar sand]

dont think its been fixed yet

[sonic whale]

Which would be better? As I feel for me currently switching Soulstealer for Warp Expenditure might be better as some targets I attack are killed by others and means I can't get the 7.5% toughness

[potent echo]

EP has a high opportunity cost of not picking warpsiphon

[potent echo]

Which staff you running?

[sonic whale]

Voidstrike

[potent echo]

Soul stealer for sure

One charged ball into hordes is all you need

[sonic whale]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f302f-0a74-498f-b6c8-3c8b5bfec2f5/specialist-splatter
This is my build, ignore the name as it's more of a general use one

[sonic whale]

It doesn't feel as stong as before patch 14

[pine shore]

?

What warpsiphon has to do with anything

[potent echo]

Means you can't run EP

[potent echo]

Yea nerfed abit, don't know the numbers though

[pine shore]

If you have EP active, there is 0 reason to not use RMB

[potent echo]

Definitely take up perfect timing top right

[pine shore]

And rmb is broken

it doesn't work

[potent echo]

It does you can't spam lmb

Or it resets

[sonic whale]

No longer splatting hordes imo, I do feel like I'd like the less damage if it had a larger AOE stagger

[pine shore]

what

[sonic whale]

Also another question

Have they broken the 'on kill quell x% of peril?

Noticed that with Brain Burst I've been getting really high peril (like 30%) on a kill

[opal pebble]

Which should I use/modify?

[lyric burrow]

id use right swap shred to uncanny adn unarmored to maniac/unyielding

@spice veldt have you gotten any use out of mk2 duelling over mk4? I like mk2 and am using it in a DD + Scriers build and it feels fine but not sure if mk 4 is just the better pick. Havent gotten a chance to run mk 4

[worthy dune]

What's the dump stat I'm lookin for? feel like it doesnt wanna gimme good dmg n crit

[brave fiber]

so what does bloodthirsty actually do? the wording confuses me a bit

[sonic whale]

I think it's Warp Resist

[sonic whale]

What's it's local big noticable node?

[brave fiber]

wha

i mean the force sword blessing mb

[sonic whale]

Ohhh my bad

Whats the wording?

[brave fiber]

it says "+100% Critical Chance on Special Attack Kill."

[sonic whale]

Can you post it?

[brave fiber]

is it for a duration? for the next hit?

idk

[sonic whale]

So say with the Force Sword you attack with the Special attack power up, I think it has a +100% chance
OR
After you kill with a powered up Force sword, you then get +100% Crit chance

I get the confusion, it isn't definitive enough in wording

[paper maple]

blazing spirit 4 worth the milkbucks?

[kind jay]

no

[spice veldt]

i haven't run it, but numerically the h2 has a good damage distribution against unarmoured/infested and some proper cleave on it

unfortunately, the h1 has less damage than the mk4's heavies which dampen my enthusiasm for it

[rough cedar]

Does anyone have a build i can use to comfortably run heresy and damnation missions

[paper maple]

anything with shards & empowered psionics can easily give you the fire power to run heresy, a decent set of weapons will cover the jump to damnation. what kind of weapons do you like using?

slash are you level 30?

[rough cedar]

im currently running the force staff with smite as a build im currently lv 21 but im sure ill rank up pre fast

[paper maple]

yeah if ur looking to deal just stupid damage switch over to shards with empowered psionics, dont worry about weapons really until u hit lvl 30

[rough cedar]

im using smite as a way to cc while letting my team do takes care of the mobs and i use force staff to deal with specials

would shield also be more usefull or should i go for venting if i swtich to assail shards

[worthy dune]

What's the move for the perk to add?

[near wyvern]

Blazing spirit in to Slaughterer and crit chance into flak

[lyric burrow]

Does illisi need flak over maniac? I feel like it used to one shot flak with the special up not sure about post patch 13 havent used it as much

[unique mist]

no

[hollow cargo]

which fs has most horiztontal swings

[wide galleon]

Maniac

[hollow cargo]

illisi right

thanks a bunch

now if we're talking horde clear, who's the champ?

or would that rely moreso on my build

[brave fiber]

Illisi wave clear is some of the best you can get, you do want flak dmg tho for one of the perks

[hollow cargo]

sold me say no more

are the blessings cool? i don't hear much about deflector

then again i don't play psyker much so

[brave fiber]

Bloodthirsty is like the best blessing to get on illisi I’ve heard, I also run slaughterer instead of deflector because I just don’t find myself using it a lot personally

Bubble shield kinda invalidates deflector

[hollow cargo]

fair points

thanks! i think im gonna grind some more plasteel so i can farm for a bloodthirsty III

honestly tho for rn i can use deflector and instead carry psykfart instead of the shield

[brave fiber]

Deflector is def not bad at all

[hollow cargo]

deflector chips stam tho right?

[brave fiber]

yeah

[hollow cargo]

just gotta be careful then

what curios do you guys run?

i have 1 wound n 2 tough

[brave fiber]

It’s preference, some people take a mix of toughness health wound, but a lot of more confident psykers skip the wound entirely

You don’t really ever want to find yourself downed ever in damnnation in the first place

[hollow cargo]

true

unless big 200iq kill

jihadipsyker

[brave fiber]

I run 2 health 1 toughness, with 3x gunner resistance

Very survivable

[hollow cargo]

gunner resistance >>>>

well im off to the races

[brave fiber]

gl

[hollow cargo]

@brave fiber ill lyk how deflector goes on auric damnation

[tame venture]

Overall meta is 1tough 1health 1stamina

Psyker benefits a lot from a stamina relic, and health and toughness are obviously useful

[hollow cargo]

we were unlucky

[hollow cargo]

hmm interesting

[tame venture]

I feel really really conflicted about trying to cram in a wounds relic, since base 2 wounds is pretty nerve wracking

[hollow cargo]

seconded, i run scrier's and assail

so when im in bug out mode its real easy to just go kaboomsky

[tame venture]

If I magically luck out and somehow find a +2 wounds relic, which supposedly can exist, I'll sub it in for the health one

Scryers gaze kinda has an anti synergy with staves and powers

I've found bubble shield and shriek more useful

[hollow cargo]

yeah ive seen that when i use staves mid scrier's it honestly doesn't handle well

[hollow cargo]

no way +2's exist they gotta be ultrare

[tame venture]

supposedly they do

[hollow cargo]

is there anyway to get more movement speed?

[paper maple]

top right +movespd on crit stacking

[paper maple]

they exist? ive played 600 hours havent ever gotten one T_T this game man

[tame venture]

i'm not entirely sure, as i've not personally seen any

[paper maple]

i know ive seen people with like 31 wounds and im going how the fuck

[tame venture]

i assume it's a really high roll kind of thing

[hollow cargo]

how???????????

im assuming it was a zealot

do you get a wound every 50 hp??

[hollow cargo]

is this the best it gets?

[spice veldt]

+2 wounds on a curio don't exist

[west smelt]

What should I change?

Compelled to just earn Exorcist and put it on another F-sword

[fresh reef]

using Mk5 model on the Mk4 DS because it looks like it hurts the heretics more whenever I rip it out of them post-stab

[fresh reef]

unstable>slaughterer
Specialist Damage>25% Unyielding

imo

[onyx sentinel]

Alright, doing a few auric runs with assail makes me value BB + EP more

it's tough not being able to one-shot any flamers during near-wipe situations

[fresh reef]

you don't need EP to oneshot flamers

Warp Rider is usually enough

[onyx sentinel]

I take EP for the faster charge and guaranteed one shot for ragers too

[fresh reef]

ah, fair

[onyx sentinel]

it takes 2 trauma blasts to kill one and during that time you're just juggling the patrol around which can kill someone else

[fresh reef]

alternative solution if there's just one rager is just duel him

weakspot hit stunlocks

[hollow cargo]

fuck that low light modifier

[onyx sentinel]

yeah of course, I run deimos

[fresh reef]

W deimos user

never cared for it myself just out of feel

still, based

[onyx sentinel]

idk I almost never see one anymore, it's either illisi or DS

even though it's still as strong as pre-patch 13

[fresh reef]

for me Deimos just feels clunky

it's like the people who don't like Trauma

[orchid nest]

the push staggering a crusher from like 10m away now is pretty funny

[fresh reef]

it's objectively good, my brain just doesn't like it

[onyx sentinel]

yeah the horde loop is awkward since it doesn't have any horizontal cleave

[orchid nest]

well, sorry, push attack I mean

[fresh reef]

for me it's that the heavy combo is strikedown and stab

it's just so weird

[hollow cargo]

illisi is cool

honestly like it more than deimos

atleast the power attack is more convenient

[onyx sentinel]

you don't really use the special for deimos, L1H2 can reliably kill muties and and anything else

anything that isn't carapace*

heck, just L1 can one-shot a hound lmao

[orchid nest]

flamer too I think with maniac

[onyx sentinel]

pretty handy that it stops your peril from regening too, for most crit builds

[orchid nest]

yeah and the push aimed at the head also gives you a stack of uncanny, and holding the attack again goes straight into H2 from it

you can legit just stagger 3 crushers from range or whatever to set them into different animation timings and already have most of your uncanny stacks without ever entering melee range

[glossy ember]

should I switch out the maniacs per' on my surge staff if my melee deals with maniacs more often than not

not sure what to go for, carapace?

[onyx sentinel]

H1L2 loop has pretty good group stagger despite being strikedowns, not comparable to illisi though

[fresh reef]

I really wish I had a reason to run the knife other than thefact its animations are extremely clean

[west smelt]

Would using Scrier's Gaze help unstable power?

[fresh reef]

I guess? anything that builds peril really

[orchid nest]

are you using it with EP? it's hard to say really. surge could use a buff without the whole EP thing which a lot of people seem to agree with. and they could hotfix it in the next couple days during their normal midweek time they tend to do stuff. or it could be entirely next week. if something happened though the breakpoints could completely change

[west smelt]

Realized the 2 blessings basically cancel each other out :/

[glossy ember]

no EP, i use warp charges

[onyx sentinel]

I never use knife but can't psyker do some push attack techs?

[fresh reef]

hence why you'd want to swap it for slaughterer

[onyx sentinel]

like unironically a better stagger spam than most melees

[glossy ember]

my catachan IV can 3~2shs ragers and muties so I usually stun with a quick surge rmb and swap to melee

to take em out

[orchid nest]

with current balance and with warp charges I think maniac is still a solid choice. surge breakpoints are pretty weird anyways since it has a pretty decent damage variance

[glossy ember]

I don't have much to deal with crushers tho outside of bb hence why i was thinking of carapace

hm

aight

thanks brotha

[onyx sentinel]

found it on the guide

[orchid nest]

what are you using for your melee?

[glossy ember]

Catachan IV

rampage/cleave blessings

[fresh reef]

huh

[paper maple]

if nothing else smite build is fun for this lol

[fresh reef]

didn't know the damage was so high

[orchid nest]

gotcha. yeah it would be awesome if catachan had uncanny. pretty crazy defensive choice right now though but I can see it putting you in a tough spot for crushers for sure

[glossy ember]

when it comes to hordes It's great for maniacs/unarmored/infested, and i can swap to surge for maulers but then i see a horde of crushers and i'm like

guess i'll bb slide

[fresh reef]

good lord okay, definitely gonna play around with Knife some more

[orchid nest]

yeah the push attack is awesome

[glossy ember]

3x3stamina curios build incoming

actually, does the parry from catachan nullify crusher slams, and does it deal good damage to them

not home so cant test

[orchid nest]

it can take a crusher slam or mauler slam from what I tested, yeah. the damage is ok

[glossy ember]

oh just one then right, yeah probably not ideal vs a crowd

esp if another enemy triggers it before the crusher slams lol

[spice veldt]

if there's a bunch around, you could attempt to parry a crusher and then dodge the rest

[fresh reef]

yes it does and no it does not

[orchid nest]

yeah sort of. you can get lucky and block a couple but it's playing with fire, it's easy for a random one to flatten you

[spice veldt]

crab has a video showcasing this somewhere

[glossy ember]

aight thanks for the infos lads

testing out breakpoints on psyker is kinda a big pain in the ass with all those variables. Warp rider, warp charges, blessings that are like warp rider but for crit

[orchid nest]

you're certainly much safer with it than anything else though still, you may as well dodge and then parry since the parry "timing" is so lenient

[glossy ember]

yeah thats what I usually do when i'm in deep shit

kinda spam parry and dodge

[fresh reef]

lacerate or precognition on combat knife?

not sure if the bleed is really worth it

[orchid nest]

I probably would, it's decent monstrosity damage at least which is nice for psyker

if someone else is bleeding it loses value though

[onyx sentinel]

it looks wack tho which was the whole point of using knife lmao

[fresh reef]

that is a valid point

though tbf I'd only be doing this lawnmowering on bosses

otherwise most specials just die with one normal heavy

[lyric burrow]

Last i knew lacerate was not worth

Knife just wants crit stuff and rending since weakspot/crit are its strengths although it is possible each classes uses it differently

Ik for at least zealot lacerate is bad

[fresh reef]

I'm just running the same perks/blessings as a Mk4 DS

now to roll a 380 knife and somehow not brick it

[orchid nest]

yeah it's hard to compare it to other classes because psyker monstrosity damage is so bad and psyker's melee is also less important at a lot of tasks in their kit that staff takes over for. like if you have a trauma for example, it's easy to just spec a chainsword with bloodletter for bleed and even crits if you want and not care about the cleave at all which other classes would not do

[lyric burrow]

I still haven't used new chainsword

Need to do that

[orchid nest]

it's pretty good to be honest. you still 1 shot mutants but it's more awkward to be locked in place while you do it compared to DS or deimos. the monstrosity damage in a realistic situation with bloodletter is much higher than psykers other melee options. definitely requires knowing monster animations well though or you'll get splatted while locked in

[fresh reef]

how would you guys feel if BB was buffed to deal 1500 damage at base?

[radiant lance]

Thanks Hadron :)))))))))))

[fresh reef]

not saying it should be, just tossing the idea out

[wispy pike]

Now you can enjoy plinking your enemies while running into them

[orchid nest]

so like 1650 with warp rider at base. I dunno, that would be alright with me.

[fresh reef]

It'd be much better as a boss chunking tool, that's for sure

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure. it does good at putting in some boss damage right now if you have the walls since you can back to back proc resonance. "good" for psyker though of course, lol

[glossy ember]

run n gun

[orchid nest]

I think just using BB with warp rider and doing nothing else right now is like 500-600 monstrosity dps. without resonance or anything like that

[near wyvern]

Reddit moment

[lyric burrow]

Im confused as to how it wouldn't refresh all the stacks

[orchid nest]

my favorite reddit moment yesterday was the guy complaining ragers are too hard and then further down in the thread he revealed he was a shield ogryn

or sorry, packs of ragers

[fresh reef]

I posted a clip on the subreddit earlier today and half the comments were complaining about me using spawnfeed

[orchid nest]

that seems like a pretty weird complaint. it's not too hard to tell normally but someone could have their sound low for environmental reasons or they could be hard of hearing or whatever. even if you just like it I guess with no strings I don't see the problem

[fresh reef]

I mean, I also have my killfeed directly to the right of my crosshair

yet nobody really complained about that

just the use of the mod

[orchid nest]

[fresh reef]

the clip in question

[orchid nest]

that spawn got straight up bullied out of existence

[fresh reef]

bro flopped

[spice veldt]

wtf

alright i'm doing this next game if there's a chaos spawn

[fresh reef]

keep in mind it works with anything that staggers bosses

Chorus, Taunt, Bullrush

Hell, technically a rock to the face would work

just as long as it's jumping, it's dead

and it has to be a full ass jump, not one of those baby bitch bounces it likes to do

[paper maple]

so beautiful 🥹

[clear heath]

What is happening here?

is this from staggering it mid-air?

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt

[fresh reef]

bingo

[clear heath]

oh

wtf

[paper maple]

wowow glad i saw that lol

[dapper folio]

what the fuck

[orchid nest]

doing it with the shout is the funniest to me. just bullying the guy. hit em with a nasty vicious mockery

[glossy ember]

wait that should be an easy matchup for him, just push then h1, staggers and kills ragers both lol.

[orchid nest]

yeah I don't think there is a limit to the amount of ragers a shield ogryn with charge especially can kill. the more there is even, the more you'll recharge your charge. I'm pretty sure if every single enemy on a map was a rager a shield ogryn would be alright

[glossy ember]

don't even need ult really

h1 can interrupt stagger mid attack so you can just slide back then h1

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure

[glossy ember]

no matter what they just end up falling to the ground

my main is shield ogryn and it's become a ridiculous weapon/class combo

[orchid nest]

it's not my main but I must confess I have been playing it a lot lately

[glossy ember]

nothing feels really threatening with it

[glossy ember]

its super fun

[orchid nest]

makes ironbreaker from vt2 feel fragile in comparison for sure

just wading through everything without a care in the world

just walk up on some gunner packs or whatever, doesn't even matter. maybe block here and there to taunt them so you have some toughness snacks while you stroll up to them

[glossy ember]

craziest thing is you can build for full offense and legit play recklessly and you'll still be unkillable

[orchid nest]

yeah lol

[glossy ember]

i went for a meme build where i run 90 toughness 540 hp and it's working wonders

[fresh reef]

trimmed it up for easier rock sharing

[orchid nest]

low toughness isn't all that bad for them since coherency regen is a static amount and you reach 100% faster for the chip damage resistance. I can see it working vs the 145 one people run

I have been running a build with 145, haven't tried anything else yet

[glossy ember]

Try 115, that's what I used to run

lemme try and find my builds

bottom left keystone tree just has left node taken. this is 115

[orchid nest]

seems good, although I have a hard time giving up soften them up. how do you like the buffed rock?

[glossy ember]

this is 90

[glossy ember]

you can go soften em up, it's good but i feel like giving up rock isnt the move. But build is flexible enough that you can choose all three blitz

[orchid nest]

I haven't even tried rock yet again after the last patch

[glossy ember]

but i use shield rumbler so I have no answer to muties, hence why i go rock

it's fantastic now

[orchid nest]

I have been using grenade gauntlet and I'm like so damn close to a mutant one shot with it, it's frustrating

[glossy ember]

big bomb probably better objectively

btw soften em up doesnt apply on ranged hit so thats why i don't think it's that good

things you hit in melee will die

[orchid nest]

I think if my grenade gauntlet had a better roll I could maybe reach the one shot. or if I have been hit recently in melee or whatever

yeah I'm aware. still seems pretty good to me, I can try running without it though. give rock a shot

[glossy ember]

both good, i tried both and at the end of the day i feel it's preference

you won't feel slam! or soften em up tbh

shield already has a million stagger, and the 15% post first hit won't really be that impactful outside of bosses/crushers maybe

[orchid nest]

also this is now ogryn class #2 channel

[plucky flax]

Rocks are based.

[glossy ember]

based

[peak scroll]

based

[plucky flax]

I played melee maelstrom with ogryn without soften them up.

Was patch 13 tho so bleed was more op.

[glossy ember]

ive done several auric damns without it

still can reach a comfy 250~300k melee damage done

[restive slate]

These psykers are looking a lil ogryn-like

[glossy ember]

what do you mean sah, i have a magic rectangle shield too...

[orchid nest]

this is me getting ready to smite some heretics

[burnt island]

I was about to buy the comm operative chest piece, but this actually looks really good instead...

[orchid nest]

yeah the coat does look pretty good with some different pants and various head pieces

[thin finch]

damn Melk

[harsh urchin]

wow

already godrolled blessings

[random obsidian]

Speaking of Froce swords which ones are good? i usally main Chainswords but i like the look of the fswords

[thin finch]

I am happy for the sword but sad that I can't pick the blessing apart, just going to change perk tho, but for what 🤔

[harsh urchin]

flak maniac

is pretty standard

[random obsidian]

Which fSwords are good?

is Mk v a good one? what else?

[thin finch]

Deimos and Illisi , Deimos for single target and illisi for crowd murdering

[random obsidian]

ok, also do you prefer the fsword over the chainsword? cus i was thinking of switching

[lyric mortar]

Fsword scales better with Psyker skills

[thin finch]

I did not do a comparison of the two yet personnaly, the chainsword is good as it has a good cleave on heavy .
Depend how much you are peril dependant with your build and perk

[lyric mortar]

Here's a query, does the special count as a warp attack?

[harsh urchin]

yes

[lyric mortar]

Noice

[harsh urchin]

anything that generates heat is a warp attack

[lyric mortar]

Think I'll be ditching the duel sword now I'm going Voidstrike

[thin finch]

mmmmh yay or nay ?

[thin finch]

wowowowowowo

[harsh urchin]

nay. chargte rate is not optional

[thin finch]

you don't ditch it ,you carefully put it away for later

[lyric mortar]

That's what I meant lol

[thin finch]

Respect the Duel Sword

[thin finch]

sadge

[orchid nest]

he's going to turn it into his poop knife

[lyric mortar]

My toe knife

[random obsidian]

i mostly handle my peril well i got the extra quell speed perk in my build but mostly focus on EP on most of my setups, that being said i only lose out on my peril when i try to do too much of it in harder difficulty's but i think i could manage a fsword

[burnt island]

Even the mortis operative gear looks great with it.

[random obsidian]

So as for fswords overall which one is great for general use?

[thin finch]

I don't even know if I want to keep going with this one

[orchid nest]

low chance for sure. have to hit a right perk followed by a right blessing

[thin finch]

I'll see later ,tried another one with a good perk AND THEN RUN AND GUN

I don't even think I can use it while charging RMB

[orchid nest]

at least for blaze trauma blazing is a t3 so a starter one for it that can end well is easier when you have the bases

nah just left click as far as I know

[honest robin]

I wish the staff basic bolts were accurate

I'd blast so good

[spice veldt]

they're perfectly accurate, but ping and whatnot can mess with your expectations of where the bolt would go

[honest robin]

In my experience the whole reticle is fair game

[orchid nest]

they seem really accurate to me but moving and however they inherit your movement or whatever it is doing is when it gets weird. with that said though, they are really useful in general

[honest robin]

I mostly use them to kill enemies in melee range lol

When im voidstriking at least

[orchid nest]

they have incredible suppression, you can just kind of machine gun them in the general direction of some shooters to stop them. but yeah, less useful on a voidstrike compared to the other 2. especially crit trauma and surge in general. the stagger is really good for specials and all that. headshot damage is pretty good for how fast they are

[slate sun]

I was very sceptical of Illisi this patch but it just makes you roll through hordes

slaughterer+uncanny seem mandatory

[random obsidian]

With Staffs (and fswords) which ones are good right now?

[slate sun]

Blaze trauma / surge voidstrike are very nice

though voidstrike lost a bit of its teeth lately

swords are both rather nice though you can't permanently dodge anymore

[random obsidian]

yeah i main voidstrike and i feel its a bit underperforming now a bit

[slate sun]

... it is still better than trauma though when it comes to dishing out damage ...

not sure if there are any Surge or Purgatus users here

[orchid nest]

surge is pretty crazy with the EP bug but could use some buffs without it. purg is perfectly fine and can do good in auric damn but stuff has power crept past it currently imo

especially with any plasma vets around because the second you get excited about a bunch of elites vaguely in a line they will disappear when you blink

[harsh urchin]

assail feels pretty weak now as well lol

overall psyker is probably the weakest class rn if you're not bug abusing

[slate sun]

Assail is kind of useless if you run with voidstrike or anything else long distance

[random obsidian]

how is assail weak? i've seem most players use it

[harsh urchin]

what difficulty are you playing on?

[random obsidian]

3-4

[harsh urchin]

it underperforms pretty hard in 5 hishock

with all the ragers/maulers

it does ok if u abuse hand cannon

[spice veldt]

still pretty good on hishock

[harsh urchin]

but without hand cannon it feels much weaker

than everything else

[harsh urchin]

says arco, as he secretly plays vet

[orchid nest]

assail is pretty good still although it is true the elite health buffs hurt it more than the near unnoticeable damage nerf

[slate sun]

they changed it so that it doesn't have the insane auto-lock on rmb it seems, kind of flies all around the place

[spice veldt]

😔

[lunar hollow]

assail is still plenty strong and they didnt change gunner/shotgunner hp

and if u have trouble with the 20 ragers out of nowhere ur just bad im sorry to break it to u

u gotta train in the PSYKH

for hours

analyzing every combo

[harsh urchin]

20% dmg nerf hurts it pretty hard against flak/cara

[slate sun]

😄

[lunar hollow]

or just bring one of the like 10-ish weapons that scale with enemy density and kill most of them before they move

[harsh urchin]

i don't really have trouble with them

i just have to use my fucking melee

but at that point, why bring assail

[spice veldt]

what's wrong with using your other weapons

[lunar hollow]

because it is a fantastic option if ur running ds/a gun

and is just in general a good quickswap tool

[slate sun]

we should unionize against using melee on psykers, heck the class even has a line to complain about it

[harsh urchin]

wtf i just want to throw darts

why are you forcing me to play the game

[lunar hollow]

the "i use my blitz and blitz only" shit is bad for the game and still needs to be nerfed

[harsh urchin]

i just want them to add javelin

into this game

and then i'll be happy

[lunar hollow]

every time i play i encounter at least one or two psykers who suck at the game but get carried by the weapon (not doing particularly great, just kinda managing to exist)

[slate sun]

seriously though, the only use for assail I found is as an opener on horde attacks, just to throw all of them out and switch to melee

[harsh urchin]

my problem rn is that

psyker is supposed to be a high-risk high-reward glass cannon

but ogryn does more damage

and is also 3x as tanky

[lunar hollow]

grass is green

the sky is blue

ogryn is overpowered

[slate sun]

if you try to take out specials / elites with assail they'll evaporate from all of the "perfectly balanced" vets before you can do anything

[spice veldt]

the balance has always been pretty whack, though I don't know if psyker is supposed to be a glass cannon

[lunar hollow]

u need an industrial sized sledgehammer to fix the design problems with ogryn

not the scalpel they used for batter and dominate

[spice veldt]

like, burst DPS was one of our sore points for a while

unless you brought a gun or something

[harsh urchin]

ogryn has fucking

[lunar hollow]

(1 gun)

[harsh urchin]

40% toughness DR

from just small nodes

[lunar hollow]

(unless you brought a single gun)

[harsh urchin]

on the tree

[lunar hollow]

bro

[harsh urchin]

LOL

[lunar hollow]

u dont know

do u

the old passive is still in

[harsh urchin]

LOL really?

[lunar hollow]

36% toughness dr that is additive with the nodes on the tree

[harsh urchin]

so they're taking like

[lunar hollow]

+feel no pain

[harsh urchin]

zero amage

[lunar hollow]

+the dr on bleed talent

+the dr on downed ally within 20 meters talent

+being able to have 250 toughness

[harsh urchin]

no wonder

i feel like

[lunar hollow]

but people will tell u

[harsh urchin]

i take literally no damage

[lunar hollow]

run 3 hp curios on ogryn

[harsh urchin]

on ogryn

[lunar hollow]

these people are wrong

they do not know how the class works

[harsh urchin]

they take 3x hp curios

so they can eat a med pack

all by themselves

[harsh urchin]

the other crazy thing is

[lunar hollow]

it's sad

[harsh urchin]

if you run 3x toughness curios

[lunar hollow]

when i see people who have 90 toughness on og

[harsh urchin]

you still have more base hp

[lunar hollow]

they dont know u can tank sniper shots... with just toughness...

[harsh urchin]

oh yeah and ppl who dont take

both +25 nodes

at the top

[lunar hollow]

i mean i can understand that if u really fuckin hate lynchpin

i respect the anti-coherency mindset

[harsh urchin]

i would sac 2 points

for +25 flat toughness

even if i hate lynchpin lol

[lunar hollow]

it is just depressing

that like nobody will actually bitch about this

because since patch 13 people just mald over assail psykers in fuckin uprising

[unique sand]

is warp charges or empowered psionics better for assail

[lunar hollow]

emp psionics generally

[slate sun]

they won't get mad cause people in general don't get mad about tanks

[unique sand]

aight thanks man

[slate sun]

it is the damage output that pisses everyone off

[lunar hollow]

yeah but also u can do like 1 million damage in 23 mins on ogryn rn

[spice veldt]

prob not as flashy

[lunar hollow]

does this happen in most pub games? hell no lmao

[spice veldt]

they should make the kickback have fireworks

[harsh urchin]

i dont mind them doing 1 million damage, if they had to give up being tanky to do it

but the problem is that they dont

[lunar hollow]

i do mind considering pre-patch 13 my best was 550k in 21 mins

and now ogryn has a bunch of different ways to be a gremlin that kills everything and sucks up all the ammo

[slate sun]

well .. at least it was like 2 weeks when we had our time right siblings?

[lunar hollow]

psyker is still plenty strong

relative power rankings comes down to whatever u like more than like objective fact

[harsh urchin]

i'm not really happy