psyker-class

[shy fiber]

Doesn't soulblaze have a cap?

[steel flame]

Mmmmmmm I would keep it as a rending trauma

[rare storm]

Nope lol

[shy fiber]

Oh right

[steel flame]

So you don't lose flurry 4

[steel flame]

Soul blaze has hard cap of 31 stacks

[rare storm]

31?

[steel flame]

31

[shy fiber]

that sounds ridiculously difficult t o get to

[rare storm]

I've stacked over that tho

[steel flame]

No you haven't

[shy fiber]

and i doubt it can tickle monstrosities

[rare storm]

Unless the debuff mod doesn't track it properly

[steel flame]

Fire is 31, soulblaze is 31, and bleed is 16

[bleak tulip]

fun fact, if you peril yourself before ledging yourself you just fuckin die

also never spec zealots

the stealth sound deafness is still a thing

[steel flame]

31 soul blaze stacks melts monstrosities

Which is why they make it so difficult to get anywhere close

Only things that don't have a cap on how much soulblaze they can apply up to 31 is fire shriek and perilous combustion

[willow hazel]

You also instant die by going >100% peril before being touched by a mutant

[bleak tulip]

sick

Ive never been hit by this many bursters than this round holy shit

[willow hazel]

@steel flame I think both of those cap at 31 stacks

[bleak tulip]

they sound so far

and then you blow up

[steel flame]

-_-

The total cap is 31. But everything except those 2 methods are capped around 12-15 stacks

[willow hazel]

Yeah that sounds right

[rare storm]

Ah my bad yep, the highest I've stacked was 26 lmao

[steel flame]

Only way you can ever feasibly get 31 stacks on a monster is to kill 11 elites in quick succession next to a monster

[summer prairie]

you can get it to 15/16 with purg, shout and then only 4 elites need to die

31 stacks isn't that great damage though

[steel flame]

Or stack 15 with purgatus, 6 with fire shriek, then kill 4 elites next to a monster

But you can't really keep the stacks up so it doesn't really matter

[willow hazel]

Maybe with coordinated venting Shriek psykers. Get to 15 stacks then two ults will double the damage

At least Soulblaze decays slower than bleed or burn

[fresh reef]

I'm finding it more and more hilarious that after patch 13, my most effective build has been Blazing Trauma, BB, Shriek(Creeping Flames) and Warp Charges

[plucky flax]

Yeah me I like it.

[acoustic spade]

I have the worst good Trauma staff

[willow hazel]

I run that with Surge and it's OP. I think Venting Shriek is just busted right now.

[worn cypress]

old timey ascendant blaze build I guess

[glossy ember]

hmmm thoughts?

[acoustic spade]

Just look at this

[willow hazel]

Pre patch 13, Ascendant Blaze was really strong. Now it doesn't rely on Warp Charges and has a shitload of CDR.

[glossy ember]

just dropped the one on the left

[acoustic spade]

It does OK damage when it hits

but that Charge Rate and Quell Speed >:(

[glossy ember]

I guess I reroll thunderstrike to savage sweep, and then what?

although, not sure I can crit at all without shred...

[acoustic spade]

why wouldnt you crit

[glossy ember]

idk, thought you needed shred to crit with melee weapons?

[acoustic spade]

nah, the critrate is just pretty low without any buffs

[glossy ember]

hm

[fresh reef]

Ehh, not any more OP than a lot of other class abilities imo

coughcoughVoiceofCommand

[glossy ember]

testing it out in psykhenarium

it crits an ok amount of time

enough to avoid losing stacks of buff, i guess I can just switch to surge and do a fast rmb to keep it yp

[willow hazel]

The fact that Voice of Command is keeping bots alive through Auric Maelstrom is a sign that something is wrong

[fresh reef]

They really need to nerf it back down to 50 toughness

It feels like it's intended to function as a get out of jail free card

Instead it's like "walk into the jail of your own volition, kick the warden in the nads and then walk out of said jail" free card

[willow hazel]

It shouldn't stack with itself at the very least.

[fresh reef]

Very true

[willow hazel]

It's crazy to just be able to tank a Crusher overhead

[fresh reef]

A large part of the issue is that it, for all intents and purposes, has no cooldown

Since Vet is the only class to my knowledge to have a talent that reduces your cooldown by a fixed amount of seconds, rather than a percentage of total cooldown

[glossy ember]

hm

[willow hazel]

Yup. I though the whole only %CDR reduction was an intentional design choice. Flat CDR + %CDR can get really dumb really fast.

[stone spindle]

So, if I want to have fun with brain burst, I should go for the middle keystone talents?

[worn cypress]

lol love how vet chat is having this convo in parallel with us

[glossy ember]

giving this a shot

[willow hazel]

Lmao, imagine actually defending VoC in it's current state?

[worn cypress]

honestly? I tried the EP build last weekend and I think I'm going back to warp charges

kinetic resonance is good enough

[fresh reef]

We do a little cross-pollination

[limber marsh]

I really enjoy right click assail

[fresh reef]

The thing with BB is that it's too weak to base a whole build around, atm

[worn cypress]

ye

[fresh reef]

Though it is still good for killing elites

[worn cypress]

its kinda "take it when your build setup cant easily kill snipers"

though even that you can just take assail

[fresh reef]

I ran smite for a while on my blazing trauma build before realizing that it was just entirely too much CC

[short lodge]

Zealot has -1.5s CDR on melee crit

[stone spindle]

I like it for killing crushers, bulwarks, bosses, and just, I hate that elite or special in particular, but I’m still leveling my psycher up

[fresh reef]

Assail has a range limit though

[worn cypress]

it does but honestly in most cases they're close enough/you can get close enough

I'm enjoying the right click now after patch 14

[stone spindle]

My OGRYN brain likes having a click on people to kill them button

[fresh reef]

Keyword, most cases

[stone spindle]

Since I’m decent enough in melee to survive most things there

[worn cypress]

feels good to close in and snipe their asses

[fresh reef]

I will never forget that sniper 75 meters away who I couldn't kill on Consignment yard

[willow hazel]

Snipers on Consignment Yard's final event would like a word

[fresh reef]

BB is also good for applying safe, consistent damage to bosses

[plucky flax]

Big tru

If you do dps you can die it's fine.

[willow hazel]

BB for boss damage is a little less relevant now that the mk4 got an unyielding damage buff

[plucky flax]

(Fun fact he didn't do that much damage)

[fresh reef]

Less relevant yeah, but you also don't need to be anywhere close to the boss

BoN in particular comes to mind

[willow hazel]

True. Trying to stab a chaos spawn in the head while it's focusing someone else usually ends up in me taking damage

[worn cypress]

I do miss having it for the helping my teammate being brought by nurgle 50m on the other side of the map utility

but definitely niche use lmao

[fresh reef]

Can we make Shriek stagger bosses so I can oneshot Chaos Spawn please?

It would be so, so funny

[rare storm]

Does anybody know if Malleus Monstronum can be done on weakened monstrosities?

[fresh reef]

I'm like, 90% sure it can be since they count as monstrosities for other penances

Just be sure you get a full lobby together. One person as Ogryn to take aggro, and the other two to do literally nothing because that's better than having bots

[gilded viper]

Got a Godtier Trauma stave

Just currently not sure what to change

[brave fiber]

Personally wouldn’t change anything imo, unless you’re looking to do a soulblaze setup or want to swap out for that one blessing that applies brittleness (forgor what it’s called)

[gilded viper]

Rending Shockwave might be nice in place of Nexus, of course I think ima upgrade +carapace to 4

[ebon jolt]

Maybe for auric maelstrom but I can get by in regular damnation with a BB focused build w/ shriek and creeping flames as long as I don’t have to solo carry. I think you should give it a try. It’s a lot of fun!

[brave fiber]

Carapace dmg to 25% is a definite change yeah

[plucky flax]

I want to see bb build in action if you have gameplay footage.

[worn cypress]

I mean I brought BB to auric maelstrom a bunch and its fine

[plucky flax]

It sounds even more meme than laspistol dd gazer.

[worn cypress]

you can play it if you like it, its not so weak its useless or anything

[brave fiber]

I think BB is best when you use emp with it and use it to snipe elites and specials from a distance

[strong gulch]

It's quite nice.

carapace to flak

nexus to T4 when possible.

[spare light]

Warp resistance is the dump stat for trauma, correct?

[strong gulch]

Kinda

[gilded viper]

Warp Resistance is the dump stat for all staves, but obviously the lower it is, the more careful you gotta be about blowing up

[plucky flax]

Around 60 something is nice.

[steel flame]

There isnt a true dump stat for trauma

[strong gulch]

it doesn't have to be 80, but you don't want it at like 48

[gilded viper]

At least it isn't Purgatus where you gotta explain to the new witches why damage is the dump stat.

[spare light]

Yea, I'm getting scammed on trauma, HARD

this is the highest rated I got

[plucky flax]

I am still waiting blazing spirit t4 for trauma.

[strong gulch]

same

[plucky flax]

63% damage that sucks.

[brave fiber]

Trauma feels weird to use for me, it’s not as satisfying as I want it to be

[strong gulch]

That is valid

[plucky flax]

It will tickle.

Trauma users are built different.

Da flick

[worn cypress]

trauma is so jank to play

I cant get over it

[plucky flax]

[spare light]

this seems... alright?

[plucky flax]

#stoptraumahate

[spare light]

[plucky flax]

To smol blast radius.

[worn cypress]

cant get used to it in v2, cant get used to it in darktide

[brave fiber]

it’s not even that trauma is bad, prob one of psykers best weapons, it’s just so weird imo

[plucky flax]

If damage/charge rate/blast radius are not at leas 70 I'm not touching that trauma.

[strong gulch]

When you're upset at the garbage weapon RNG and decide to burn your resources.

[spare light]

ahh omnisaiah

[nocturne stream]

14%

[worn cypress]

man I got a 1% dmg chainaxe or something on zealot, I forgot

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma is my most comfy build. If I really want to try hard I bring out my blaze trauma.

[worn cypress]

upgraded it all the way bc ofc

[plucky flax]

I did 1375k damage in 31 mins.

[brave fiber]

I’ll try that out, maybe I’ll like that more

[plucky flax]

Void is the easier staff to play with less cleave.

[spare light]

I legit don't know how about to feel about this one

[plucky flax]

That quell speed will be rough.

[spare light]

Oh yeah

[plucky flax]

You might have to quell additional 1 or 2 ticks.

[brave fiber]

I feel like quell speed should have like 50 minimum

[plucky flax]

Over a game it will add up to too many seconds wasted.

[spare light]

@plucky flax Hadron keeps bricking my good ones

[plucky flax]

I crafted a lot of trauma until I found my perfect one.

This craafting system sucks man.

[spare light]

It does

[plucky flax]

You will miss out on crit chance but you can just change both the blessings.

It sucks but it's usable for now until you find crit chance + flak.

[spare light]

It'll be my 'I'll use till I get a better one'

[plucky flax]

Assuming you are doing blaze trauma.

[brave fiber]

What’s the highest tier of blaze blessing? 3?

[mighty fractal]

I think it took me like 30 traumas until I finally got Blazing

[spare light]

Look, it took me 30K plasteel to get nexus 1 on trauma, I'll take the shitty staves now

[mighty fractal]

Funnily enough, the best Trauma I've found was one I'd been holding onto since... the beginning of the year lol

[ancient thicket]

Guys I am going nuts. I have brought 8 staffs to transcendant and 8 staffs to exalted. Not a single roll of Rending Shockwave of any level. Nothing in any shops. Is it bugged or something

[mighty fractal]

But I only came back recently

Rending might be on the rare side idk

I don't have many with Rending on them

[brave fiber]

rng gods have you today

[plucky flax]

It's just FartShart gaming at work.

Nothing to see here.

[ancient thicket]

I exist to suffer just let the warp take me

[brave fiber]

I got rending tier 4 on my first attempt at a trauma staff, I didn’t even know what I was going for

[ancient thicket]

Nice lol. I think I have every other trauma blessing unlocked at this point

[brave fiber]

Unfortunate because it’s by far my least used staff

[spare light]

@plucky flax opinion?

[mighty fractal]

I've only seen rending 4 once

And it's on the Trauma I use lol

granted, I don't Psyker much

[glossy ember]

being able to 2shs ragers is nutty

[brave fiber]

On a different note I finally got surge for voidstrike in my weekly shop, paired it with t4 nexus. I still feel like warp flurry with voidstrike is better, charge rate is so nice

[plucky flax]

It's okay base. A tiny bit low blast radius but if you get lucky with upgrading its perfectly fine.

[worn cypress]

I like flurry better too

[plucky flax]

Hadron will brick it.

[ancient thicket]

Good stuff man. I need to try other staffs ive only been grinding my trauma

[spare light]

She's about to

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/592c9ce3ef849fe7bc8c0d1138a93502.png

Probably going to be using this thing for a long time

[plucky flax]

Blazing and rending interesting.

Rip crit I guess.

[spare light]

ngl, I don't want to continue

[mighty fractal]

Yeah lol

[plucky flax]

Nah go to purple.

There's still a chance.

[spare light]

eh

[plucky flax]

You may stop.

[spare light]

I'll just go do another mission cause I'm fucking plasteel starved

and just rebless the other staff I linked before

[plucky flax]

Don't go yellow on that. It's bricked.

Aye its good idea.

[rare storm]

hmmmmmmmmm aite

[spare light]

Another EP/Surge abuser in my squad

[rare storm]

LF> 5% bonus plasteel gained curious perk

will pay @fatshark

[steel flame]

Please dont

[verbal bear]

Can you pay so they let us convert diamantine into plasteel

[steel flame]

[rare storm]

1000 diamantine = 1 plasteel

[verbal bear]

Honestly still a good deal

[rare storm]

Damn

[brave fiber]

Let me buy 380 weapons for diamantine

[rare storm]

[steel flame]

They are already teetering dangerously close, dont tempt them pls

[unborn flicker]

Give them your firstborn

For 1 plasteel

[steel flame]

Deal

[brave fiber]

I’d chop off my foot for flurry 4 at this point

[fresh reef]

The funny thing is a good chunk of them migrated from Assail/Void (which is still good, but they need to crutch on the newest most broken thing)

Meaning, if you just leave the game they're probably going to die

[rare storm]

meanwhile I'm running scrier/d4 trying to poke a chaos spawn in it's face for weakspot dmg

[verbal bear]

I mean surge is fun to use, but without the EP damage its just not worth using over void

[rare storm]

[plucky flax]

Gazer.

[rare storm]

I stand by it that surge is the most fun staff to play

even without the EP damage

I will die on this hill

[brave fiber]

If it chained to more than 1 enemy I’d agree

[verbal bear]

It is fun, but 80% of the time I have to do a lot in quickplay so I use the most efficient/broken shit

[glossy ember]

shit, this sword is making me have equal melee and ranged damage as psyker

[rare storm]

if you're good enough, any build can carry

[fresh reef]

Surge only does 100 more damage than a fully charged trauma

[rare storm]

[fresh reef]

For being the single target staff, that is pretty lul

[willow hazel]

It kills faster

[rare storm]

but requiring 90% lesser aim and brain function

So all in all... worth it

[fresh reef]

Fair point

[brave fiber]

In its defense it’s charge time is nonexistent

[willow hazel]

Surge charges and quells faster though

[verbal bear]

I'll craft a trauma when I get plasteel for it, never played with it

[rare storm]

is there actually a difference in quell speeds between staves?

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[fresh reef]

Ive had this take since beta and I maintain it now, Surge should be a very thin hitbox instead of choosing which targets to hit

[rare storm]

Assuming all at 80 that is

[spice veldt]

should be a quake lightning gun

[fresh reef]

So much this

[brave fiber]

I still think if they made surge chains do full damage it would be really fun and a lot better (as soon as they fix the bug ofc)

[rare storm]

I am willing to die on that hill with you that sounds good

[glossy ember]

that'd be nice

[ebon jolt]

Any additional perks dilutes the pool and exacerbates the issues with the crafting system. If they get rid of the EXP perk and replace it with more plasteel I could get on board though.

[spice veldt]

or a cooler LMB that interacts with the RMB in some way

[glossy ember]

that would also be very nice

[austere burrow]

[glossy ember]

i'd rather aim

[spice veldt]

Psyker staffs are basically the landscape to do whacky shit

and we still only have 4 variants 🥺

[fresh reef]

More staves in general would also be nice

[rare storm]

Ehh... if they did this, it would take what little the smite blitz has going for it, aka the ability to hit more than 4 things

[brave fiber]

And three have the same basic attack, I don’t know why more people don’t complain about that

[rare storm]

And realistically that's the only thing it has going for it rn lol

[willow hazel]

Surge is unironically the best staff for soulblaze

[austere burrow]

Smite is still better for mass cc

[fresh reef]

I want Bolt staff on Psyker so badly

[limber marsh]

I feel like whenever I play smite people straight up ignore the smited enemies

[austere burrow]

It's useful for dealing with crusher hordes without being forced to back up

[limber marsh]

I rather play trauma staff and throw crushers around myself

[fresh reef]

M1 spreads soulblaze, m2 pins corpses to walls

[dark stag]

I've been playing psyker for quite a bit now, but I'm missing one mission for the Touch the void(2), do you guys have any ideas what type I could be missing?

[brave fiber]

I just REALLY want new m1s on the staffs

[rare storm]

1.1 Disruption.
1.2 Investigation.
1.3 Strike.
1.4 Repair.
1.5 Espionage.
1.6 Raid.
1.7 Assassination.

[dark stag]

Hmmmm

[rare storm]

There isn't really a way to know what you're missing... So...

[dark stag]

maybe repair?

[rare storm]

You can try

[plucky flax]

There's a mod to show it I think.

[rare storm]

o shit fr

[plucky flax]

Nexus is down right now though

[dark stag]

Btw i don't if we can talk about mods but would I get banned if i use em?

[plucky flax]

No I use all the mods.

[rare storm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/122

[verbal bear]

Its definitely investigation

[rare storm]

Is this the one?

[verbal bear]

Yeah

[rare storm]

Nexus is up for me tho

[plucky flax]

Yep that's it.

Maybe nexus uk server is down.

[dark stag]

What do you do in investigation maybe it will ring some bells

[rare storm]

no lol, the devs themselves are okay with it unless it changes anything gameplay wise horrifically

[rare storm]

You scan shit with a remote controller

[verbal bear]

Its the one with the tree at the end

Spawns a lot of shit while you run to extraction

[dark stag]

ok def done that

too many times

[verbal bear]

I got it completed for the first time on my level 78 zealot

lmao

[steep spade]

recommendations for soulblazemaxxing

[dark stag]

(I acutally like that mission a lil bit, I guess I'm a masochist xd)

[thin finch]

But that is another breakpoint for the poxerinoo

[rare storm]

iirc the illisi kills ads too fast for the spirit blaze blessing to do anything

[verbal bear]

Is the charge to dead to bother

Also do people build soulblaze or rending on this

[rare storm]

Eh....... if you get flurry it should be fine

[steep spade]

what should my melee be for it then?

[thin finch]

can be dump stats , pray for the TechMommy now

[rare storm]

To each their own, I like playing rendering so I can see my zealot or veteran one shot monstrosities

[pale pilot]

i still want a beamstaff and boltstaff

[rare storm]

@plucky flax loves the blazing trauma staff

it's amazing horde clear

[rare storm]

er you can probably run the dueling sword and target specials/elites with wildfire and perilous

to spread fire like an arsonist

[spare light]

I just lost a run cause about 20 scab ragers showed up at once 🙂

[verbal bear]

nvm this worked out better ig

[rare storm]

I hate you

I need a good trauma staff man

[steep spade]

ill give it a shot, thank you

[rare storm]

Hadron has treated you well sibling

[thin finch]

I did not know this blessing was a thing sheit

[spare light]

tell me about it

[verbal bear]

Makes you wish you had a kickback ogryn to blast them

[spare light]

Not really, makes me wish that my team could kill them while I CC'd them

[thin finch]

I do wonder , is rending applied before or after damage ?

[spare light]

Hab Dreyko last part is ridiuclously overtuned

[brave fiber]

After

[verbal bear]

Hab dreyko rager spam can eat my ass

[thin finch]

damn

[rare storm]

Ragers are run ending potentials now lmao

[olive ember]

Wat staff were you using

[lyric burrow]

Im glad ragers are a real threat now they used to be so w/e

[olive ember]

Are they?

[lyric burrow]

A group can be

Not like 2

[ebon jolt]

It’s intense when a mob of like 20 roll up on your team though.

[rare storm]

insert void enjoyers who knock all of them down with half a charge

[olive ember]

Purge staff stays winning

[ebon jolt]

Also feels bad you can’t one tap scab ragers with BR anymore.

[lyric burrow]

Only a few is still fine theyd need to be really powerful to be dangerous in 1v1

[plucky flax]

Amazing everything!!

[lyric burrow]

Br is like a 4 tap now lol

[olive ember]

2 BR if you have warp rider

[lyric burrow]

Oh thought 3 was minimum

[olive ember]

it’s 3 BR if you don’t have any buffs tho

Which is hilarious

[lyric burrow]

Even 2 is like

Not great

[olive ember]

It isn’t but don’t worry

The redditors think smite is better than BR so

Ez buffs

[lyric burrow]

Granted it wasnt 1 for free pre patch 13 either

But it wasnt hard to get 1 tap BP

[spare light]

Surge

[lyric burrow]

Insert post about surge into hordes being good

[olive ember]

There’s your problem

[ebon jolt]

Haven’t we been trying to get BR/BB buffs… since the game launched?

[spare light]

DONT START WITH ME

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I was gonna say every staff can clear rager groups except one

[olive ember]

Yes but maybe it will be buffed again

[spare light]

The issue was group split up, rager spam and the other psyker blew up

while the zealot got hounded

[lyric burrow]

If they are all on you yeah your dead cant even block that

With surge i mean

[olive ember]

What are you running with surge?

[spare light]

Smite

[olive ember]

No I mean the ability

Like you using shriek?

[spare light]

ye, with creeping flames

[olive ember]

Hmm cuz your best bet with rager spam on surge is to kill like 2 or 3 and then let PC kill the rest

[spare light]

Team was

[olive ember]

And shriek let’s you vent and also CC crushers

Eh well yeah that’s just every rando team in darktide

[spare light]

I'll be running trauma instead now, even though it's a gimped staff

[olive ember]

Anything but surge will do

[spare light]

stat wise

CAUSE 32K PLASTEEL AINT ENOUGH BUCKO

[lyric burrow]

Trauma busted

Its part of the gameplay loop 🙂

[languid tusk]

void is an outlier we should assume when the rager patrol rolls up on your team nobody has voidstrike

[rare storm]

Actually isn't surge pretty good against rager hordes

They do stun them quite easily

[steel flame]

I like pushing ragers over with laspistol

Force push go brrrr

And then there is the saber special which can just stunlock ragers

Single assail shards are great for stagger rager hordes and setting them up for quick kills

[plucky flax]

Dd activated you walk backward faster than sprinting ragers

[dark stag]

The urge to slap blaze spirit on this

[harsh urchin]

blazing spirit is not good

on the swords fyi

[dark stag]

I knowwwwwwwww

[harsh urchin]

but go for it

[dark stag]

Buttttt funny flame go brrrrrrr

[unique mist]

I learnt that the hard way

[glossy ember]

[dark stag]

Or actually I could just keep the blessings as is and change the perks and then it probs would be pretty good?

[steel flame]

This is why scrier is great for boss killing cause you can backpedal faster than them

[plucky flax]

Gazer.

[dark stag]

I guess flak + maniac as usual?

[plucky flax]

Maniac flak indeed for illisi ma fren

[dark stag]

or maybe 5% crit to dip into that shred more

Unless it's not worth it

[fresh reef]

thanks, I'm stealing this and attributing it to the current EP Surge abusers

gonna register a website that just link directly to this png

[keen slate]

What perks should I use on surge staff?

[olive ember]

Surge ain’t that good against most things

Hate to break it to ya

[olive ember]

Flak/maniac/unyielding

Drop flak if you are using double damage bug

[snow coral]

I am in love with the revolver, tried going back to void and hated it

[keen slate]

double damage bug?

[olive ember]

Empowered psionics gives surge staff +125% damage

[keen slate]

uhh

why?

how tf it works if it's not blitz

[steel flame]

Fat shark spaghetti code

[glossy ember]

smite based on surge

[olive ember]

Because surge staff rmb counts as smite

[glossy ember]

or something lol

[olive ember]

/shrug

Use it while it lasts once it’s gone surge is gonna be bottom of barrel again

[steel flame]

So much doom and gloom

[olive ember]

Well the redditors and certain people think surge staff is good without bug when it can’t even one shot fucking gunners without a crit

Granted I don’t have +flak but bruh it’s a fucking gunner

[steel flame]

So

Trauma doesn't always one shot gunners

Clearly trauma is trash

[olive ember]

Trauma also doesn’t target one enemy at a time

[steel flame]

Laspistol must be trash too

[sturdy dagger]

i used surge before this patch it seems good 2 me thing has like 0 charge time u can practially full auto it for anything outside of hordes

[olive ember]

Lmao

[random cliff]

have this, what do

[olive ember]

Full auto surge

Dear god

[sturdy dagger]

?

i hope u havent interperated that as like spamming left clicks or not charging up the rmb

[olive ember]

That’s worse

Lmb spam is atleast a funny meme

[steel flame]

I like lmb quell canceling

[sturdy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-what-what-are-you-talking-about-gif-14255311421681247474

[olive ember]

I feel bad for you if you had teammates that let you just spam rmb over and over again

[steel flame]

Gets shit done

[dark stag]

does the flame staff apply soulblaze or just does soulblaze dmg?

[olive ember]

But I guess it’s what’s par for course now

[olive ember]

Applies soulblaze and does direct damage per tick

[dark stag]

oooooooo

[sturdy dagger]

what are u on about my guy

[dark stag]

It probs doesn't have blazing spirit does it?

[olive ember]

If your team isn’t able to out kill surge staff spam then there’s a problem

[steel flame]

Don't pay him much mind, he's just salty

[olive ember]

Purge staff doesn’t

I’m just tired of people thinking the worst staff is good

And then we get to waste a year waiting for buffs

Like the eviscerator

[dark stag]

Wait surge staff is bad?

[sturdy dagger]

idk man

[olive ember]

It’s pretty bad yes

[sturdy dagger]

if ur struggling 2 kill things with a point and click staff that says alot

[dark stag]

Like sure it isn't void but I wouldn't say it's bad

[olive ember]

It’s worse than trauma

Arguably worse than purge

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow hazel]

Yall are crazy. Surge without bug is great. Surge with bug is way too OP.

[sturdy dagger]

i dont really get where this is coming from u can easily set it up for basically guarantee crits and it 2 shots maulers for me

[dark stag]

idk about that chief

[olive ember]

No it’s not

[sturdy dagger]

idk i dont think the bug actually does a massive amount for it

[olive ember]

Surge with bug is slightly overtuned and still worse than void

[sturdy dagger]

isnt it like partially patched?

[olive ember]

And surge without bug is dumpster

[dark stag]

Trauma is clunky af and purge got no range

[olive ember]

The fuck? The bug gives surge +125% damage

Wdym partially patched lmao

[sturdy dagger]

ive been told its only now applying the increased range/chain

[olive ember]

Trauma ain’t that clunky and purge range is fine

I can try it out again when I get home but unless they stealth patched it nope

[dark stag]

Idk if you ask me, they could keep it like it is rn(the unbuged version) and I would be vibin

[sturdy dagger]

i can still prolly agree its the worst staff but i just think all the staffs are great rn with the right set up

[olive ember]

Surge needs literally +100% damage

[dark stag]

It may not do as much dmg probs but it's got an ability that I love and it's stunning multiple targets at once like smite

[olive ember]

It stuns 2

[sturdy dagger]

the stun is a lil cope

[olive ember]

And it’s not even a good stun

[sturdy dagger]

i just love the instant on demand dmg that i can spam faster than any staff

[olive ember]

It can’t even stun mutants in one charge anymore unless it crits

[dark stag]

Keeps a Crusher stunned, good enough for me xd

[olive ember]

3 shots to kill mutants, 3 for maulers, 3 for crushers it’s just

Not that good

[dark stag]

And(at least how I run it) it one shots all elite gunners which is all I care about

[sturdy dagger]

so it takes like 1 more shot than void or trauma but it charges 3 times faster? i dont see the issue

[dark stag]

It ain't god tier but I think it's fine

if it got 100% dmg boost like you want, wouldn't it be more broken then void cuz it would kill the mentioned targets with loss shots while also charging faster

[olive ember]

It’s got like a 1.5s faster TTK compared to void except void has 12 cleave and zero damage fall off

[sturdy dagger]

and void takes like twice as long 2 charge

easily interupted

and well call it a skill issue if u want but u can also just miss

[olive ember]

It’s entire thing is a single target damage staff

So yes

Make it kill things

[willow hazel]

It has the fastest charge time of any staff. It has the lowest TTKs of any staff, which is exactly what you want on a build with Perilous Combustion and Psykinetic Aura

[olive ember]

Lowest TTK for any singular targets

[noble mason]

anytime i see a psyker abusing the surge bug i just get sad because the run turns into a snooze fest

[olive ember]

Doesn’t mean shit when the game spams 8 crushers at you

[steel flame]

Or is that just what you want it to be

[sturdy dagger]

i dont get it the bug really isnt that op

[olive ember]

that’s literally what it’s supposed to be

Or are you going to tell me the surge staff is a CC staff now

[sturdy dagger]

i still out dmg it by a landslide with simple purge staff fuckery

[rare storm]

Not neccessarily

[steel flame]

Cause that sounds like what you think it should be and not what it is

[willow hazel]

Crushers literally can't hurt you with surge. Stun the ones near you

[rare storm]

It does do it's job of killing single targets as well as a nice mix of cc

It's it's own thing

lol

[olive ember]

A nice mix of CC give me a break

[rare storm]

It is a good staff and imo the most fun staff to play

[dark stag]

it also generates a lot of peril for F spam(idk if that is exaclty a positive but meh)

[olive ember]

Literally a 2 target stun

What are you on about

[willow hazel]

Generating and quelling lots of peril also makes Psykers tanky

[rare storm]

EckChualli it's 3

[olive ember]

2

3 is a bug

[rare storm]

if you add in smite bounce

kekw

[sturdy dagger]

thats lowkey my horde clear with surge lmao

[noble mason]

every maelstorm i run with a surge bug abuser just turns into a speed run of who can kill the most. anything that isnt a monstrosity just gets nuked instantly

[sturdy dagger]

i just spam surge a group of crushers/maulers and 180 vent for massive horde burn

[willow hazel]

I almost always end up with top lesser enemy kills running Surge + Vent

[olive ember]

That’s literally how you should be playing maelstrom?

Except not with the surge

[dark stag]

I mean ye, It's logical that if you got a single target staff you would have smite and soulblaze F spam to compensate for the lack of aoe which I think rounds it out pretty nicely

[sturdy dagger]

weird i used the bug in a lower tier difficulty and it was fun sure just didnt feel op

[olive ember]

That’s because in lower difficulty everything dies to begin with

Games been powercrept where normal Damnation is considered EZ mode by some people

Not that higher difficulty is actually that engaging

It’s just special and elite spam at higher difficulties

[dark stag]

Sounds like BB ep spam to me honestly xd

[olive ember]

Just assail

[dark stag]

or dat

[olive ember]

Assail will beat BB on everything besides maulers, ogryns, and bosses

And if you are running voidstrike or trauma then you can ignore those too

[dark stag]

cries in BB

[willow hazel]

The actual thing balancing Assail is that Psykinetic's Aura is on the other side of the tree

[dark stag]

No matter how many facts tho, I ain't touching that trauma staff

Surge is just so much more comfy

[plucky flax]

I don't use bug and win with surge.

[dark stag]

^

Sadly doesn't mean it's balanced tho

[olive ember]

Winning with a weapon isn’t saying much I’m ngl

I can win with surge too

I can win with literally no ranged at all and only melee

[plucky flax]

Okay do it I want to see.

[wind wadi]

Are soulblaze stacks from purg affected by warp damage boost from perfect timing?

[plucky flax]

Queue a solo maelstrom and use melee only.

[olive ember]

Still live longer than the randoms

And obviously a pre queue would outkill me when i run a handicap

[steel flame]

Soulblaze damage is affected by all damage boosts, including on weapons you are holding

[olive ember]

So can’t rly test that but

Im confident enough in my abilities

[plucky flax]

Yeah I want to see your pro skills.

[steel flame]

Why cant we just be friends.

[plucky flax]

Play solo match making and record gameplay.

[olive ember]

We can be friends when we agree the surge staff is trash now >.>

[dark stag]

we can probs just agree to disagree and keep on vibin tho xd

[steel flame]

That's not being friends that's called a political party

[plucky flax]

I have more confident playing surge only than using only melee weapon.

[olive ember]

That’s some

[rare storm]

People can like other things that you don't like lol

[olive ember]

Well more power to ya

[olive ember]

they can like it

But they gotta recognize it’s shit

[rare storm]

It may be trash to you but I think it's good

You went on a 1hour spheal on how it's shit

but it doesn't affect you or anybody else

lol

Just let people play what they want man

[olive ember]

It does affect me when I see a surge staff psyker

And they fail to kill 8 maulers and die

[ancient wolf]

guys is brain burst a viable ability?

[olive ember]

True story btw

[olive ember]

Viable yes

But everything is viable

Even surge staff

[plucky flax]

Hrm so when a purg user die in my game what happened there?

[ancient wolf]

hmm I see. Should i use assail then?

[glass wedge]

Wait, so someone thinks Surge staff isn't viable??? lol???

[plucky flax]

Purg bad.

[rare storm]

I've seen multiple voidstaff enjoyers die to 8 maulers

Does that mean the void is shit too

[plucky flax]

Dats tru

[rare storm]

no man, people just have bad days, people just don't play well at the moment

It's all a skill issue

[dark stag]

🍿

[rare storm]

The staves are all viable

[olive ember]

Yes everything is viable

[dark stag]

Honestly repsec for nothing getting heated tho, love it

[rare storm]

That's weird I was waiting for the next line "BUt The SurgE is ShiT"

[willow hazel]

As far as staffs equiped by PUGs that die to 8 maulers go, Voidstrike #1

[olive ember]

It is shit

[plucky flax]

Xxd

[rare storm]

It's not shit if it's viable

LOL

[olive ember]

You don’t understand

Everything is viable in this game

[rare storm]

Therefore nothing is shit

[olive ember]

You could run a stealth tac axe vet with some garbage bolter

[rare storm]

it's shit if you can't even finish a run with a wep

[olive ember]

And it would be viable

[ancient wolf]

sry im new but what is the correct way to use surge staff cuz when i tried it just doesnt do enough damage

[plucky flax]

So my gameplay with non bugged surge is shit.

Veri bad weapon got carried.

[spare sail]

dont spam at low charge

get it charged up

[plucky flax]

Pls delete all surge staves.

[dark stag]

nooooo

[glossy ember]

[ancient wolf]

hmm i see tysm

[olive ember]

You are using it correctly assuming you full charge it

[willow hazel]

Right click things, proc perilous combustion, throw out a Venting Srhiek every 10 seconds

[plucky flax]

Jk I carried with surge over 100+ specials killed.

[ancient wolf]

is venting shriek the palpetine ability

[glossy ember]

the point derpy is making is probably "Everything we have is superior to surge staff so why play it"

[olive ember]

Venting shriek is the shout

[glossy ember]

rather than just "surge bad"

[olive ember]

Palpatine ability is smite

[ancient wolf]

ah i c thx

🙏

[olive ember]

No the point I’m making is surge staff is bad pls buff it so it isn’t

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But again we’ll be here until next year

[glossy ember]

[willow hazel]

It's kinda hard to make that point when the Surge has the fastest TTK of all the staffs

[glossy ember]

unbugged? neat

[willow hazel]

yeah unbugged

[glossy ember]

i enjoy surge

[rare storm]

Wait no I see it now, it's all satire and ploy by Derpy to make the Surge an op staff

[thin finch]

you're welcome

[rare storm]

I agree, the surge is shit pls buff

[glossy ember]

thats all i play

[olive ember]

Fastest TTK by a technicality that it’s 1s faster and only damages one target at a time

[wanton sandal]

surge is so bad.. fatshark, please make it one shot everyone?

[rare storm]

I want to be able to 3 shot monstrosities with surge

[dark stag]

Isn't it that if it's viable it isn't shit and you want it to go from viable to good and preferable?

[rare storm]

nah nah nah shh... one shot is too far...

[olive ember]

Well by nature of casual horde game everything is viable

[rare storm]

3 is fine, I'll settle for 5 after negotiations @fatshark

[wanton sandal]

i'll settle for two-shotting monstrosities

[dark stag]

I assume that means you don't look at a "shit weapon" as something that can't win a run and shouldn't be ran

[summer iris]

anyone that is good at psyker wanna help me out with some advice in voice chat? i think im pretty decent i just would like to get better

[willow hazel]

Is the mk4 dueling sword also bad? It only hits one target at a time

[dark stag]

but more like the worst of the bunch I assume?

[wanton sandal]

slonk some fat doinks with the warp creatures in your head and you'll be fine

[ebon jolt]

I'm thinking T3 Riposte -> T4 Slaughter & melee weakspot to flak?

[wanton sandal]

also do not use your blitz as a crutch

whatever it might be

[summer iris]

no idea what that means

[wind wadi]

Palpatine is smite

[wanton sandal]

i'd do crit chance to flak

[upbeat parcel]

is 68 charge rate for voidstrike staff good enough or do I gotta keep gambling

every other stat is decent enough

[wanton sandal]

simply aim for heads and watch as you melt the entire horde

and those stupid helmet dregs

[rare storm]

Slaughter's not bad, I think you can keep the melee weak spot and change the crit chance to flak

[olive ember]

It’s a melee option. You would be comparing it with the likes of a dclaw which has its own downsides. The surge staffs is being compared with the other staffs

[wanton sandal]

ive seen some psykers melt crushers with a dueling sword

its all about what you want to do with it

[olive ember]

Except both trauma and voidstrike do what the surge staff does, maybe slightly slower, but they don’t literally hit one target at a time

[soft cargo]

Really been enjoying playing smite psyker here's my build if anyone's interested.

[plucky flax]

I value maniac over flak for illisi to kill muties faster.

[wanton sandal]

man speaking of maniac

[loud ferry]

WHATS THE best psyker build right now ?

[wanton sandal]

i want to appreciate for a sec how much nutty maniac damage deimos does

[wind wadi]

One taps muti with heavy on weak spot too

[olive ember]

Voidstrike assail

[rare storm]

Anything you find fun lol

[wanton sandal]

the 2nd heavy has one shotted muties before

[loud ferry]

where can I find it

I watched a vid a while ago a guy cast assails unlimited somehow

[olive ember]

Anyone wanna suggest a build or should I

[wanton sandal]

whatever you have fun with

i've been running trauma and smite recently

[loud ferry]

does smite deal dmg

[wind wadi]

Empowered psionics assail

[willow hazel]

With bugs, EP Surge or Handcannon Assail.
Without bugs, probably something with Venting Shriek

[wanton sandal]

use trauma to apply brittle and kill hordes, smite to cc

and yeah, EP does good damage now with smite

tho you will only kill trash and snipers

[olive ember]

With bugs surge is not stronger than voidstrike lmao

[rare storm]

Speaking of this, what's with handcannon?

[wind wadi]

You don't take it for damage

[rare storm]

Is it some universal damage buff

[plucky flax]

Handcannon assail my beloved.

[wanton sandal]

ep surge bug was fixed

[willow hazel]

I have never seen anyone get ~1.5m damage with Voidstrike

[loud ferry]

Im level 6 psyker so sry for not knowing btw, what do u take it for

[upbeat parcel]

u take smite for stun

[olive ember]

Bro there are literal scoreboards of 1.2 mil voidstrike on Reddit

[wind wadi]

CC - locking down hoards

[olive ember]

And surge staff getting 1.5 mil is genuinely a yikes

[wanton sandal]

CC and take enfeeble to giv e your team +10% damage on stunned targets

[olive ember]

what kind of team were they playing with

[upbeat parcel]

it's decent horde clear with psionics but there's better options for that

[willow hazel]

It provides rending to all crits not just revolver crits.

[wanton sandal]

if you're at lvl 6 cant really ask for a build just yet tho

[rare storm]

oh shit lol

[wanton sandal]

not enough talent points

[upbeat parcel]

yeah lvl 6 just play what u enjoy rn

[ebon jolt]

Hm... I also found this in my pile of garbage. Might swap to this instead and reroll both blessings:

[olive ember]

Oh he’s lvl 6

[ebon jolt]

Instead of:

[wanton sandal]

its great for giving your team breathing room when someone is down or you're cornered by a horde

[olive ember]

Yeah no just play wte gearing doesn’t matter until 30 anyways

[wanton sandal]

esp if you dont have a voidstrike or trauma staff

[willow hazel]

plasma gun vet, purgatus psyker, and some sort of zealot

[olive ember]

Yeah so plasma gun vet wasn’t up to par

[willow hazel]

Nah he quite good at the game

[wanton sandal]

"some sort of zealot" lol

[plucky flax]

Purga user probably bottom frag like usual.

[silent coral]

really trying to make pergatus work but i just cant

[olive ember]

What?

[plucky flax]

It's really bad.

[olive ember]

It’s rly simple what is your build

[wanton sandal]

its got decent stagger on trash but its mostly a horde clear

[ebon jolt]

Purg staff is dope.

[rare storm]

It's fine, it's not meant to kill big targets but just horde clear

[wanton sandal]

you need to take either assail or bb to compensate for your lack of dmg

[rare storm]

Run it with BB or a dueling sword(with uncanny strikes) and you'll be good

[willow hazel]

it kills hordes, just very sloooooooowly

[silent coral]

uncanny + what?

[wanton sandal]

didnt they nerf the charge as well

it feels slower

[olive ember]

Idk what world you living in where purge takes a long time to kill hordes

[rare storm]

Not really tho quite fast, especially if you have perfect timing, mettle and empathic evasion

You're basically a god at that point

[rare storm]

I run precog+uncanny

Riposte is fine too

[silent coral]

the whole time im like i could just be voidstriking this and atleast id hear the satisfying headshot noise

[glossy ember]

you could be SURGEMAXXING instead

[olive ember]

Purge literally kills maulers and ragers in one charge

Much less horde

[rare storm]

I can agree with this

[willow hazel]

Yeah or just pull out an Illisi to speed things up.

[rare storm]

Your only real problem is getting a crusher run at you

[fresh reef]

Finesse is cool and all, but what about the other kind of finesse?

[willow hazel]

1 venting shriek takes 0 seconds and kills the entire horde

[lunar hollow]

what has happened with purg

[rare storm]

That's when you pop out the one tap big stonks d4 dueling

[lunar hollow]

is that a ton of weapons got better damage output/horde clear

[silent coral]

do you need +25 manic and carpace to do that?

[dim parrot]

is this 1 good?

[willow hazel]

and Fatshark buffed elite HP

[olive ember]

Flak

Maulers aren’t carapace except for head

[wanton sandal]

the teammates waiting to start the lift

[upbeat parcel]

that charge rate hurts

[lunar hollow]

this was already the case before in premades where u had 1-2 other guys with good loadouts/skill vs a purg user

where u could just kill the horde and farm damage harder than they could

but now instead of there being like 4 weaps that could do this theres way more

[plucky flax]

Purg is so bad pls buff it.

[olive ember]

https://streamable.com/l0t217

[fresh reef]

they can wait while I get my funny clip

[lunar hollow]

that was with like

crit chance unarmored

btw

my purg perks are doodoo

[olive ember]

@lunar hollow it’s your clip what affixes on your purge

Oh

fucking unarmoured

Rly?

[lunar hollow]

its from like march

lmao

[wanton sandal]

the decimal point peril

[lunar hollow]

i dont touch purg since its gameplay is horrible

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[lunar hollow]

fuck the peril interp

trueperil all the way

[willow hazel]

It takes less time for a Surge staff to kill 2 elites (applying 6 stacks of soulblaze), than it does for purgatus staff to apply 6 stacks

[lunar hollow]

yea but ur measuring 2 elites

purg has infinite cleave

[olive ember]

that’s some cope

Surge ain’t that good

[lunar hollow]

it does better in mixed hordes

[wind wadi]

Are we dropping wildfire on purg ?

[lunar hollow]

that is kinda like, the point?

[willow hazel]

Perilous Combustion has infinite cleave too

[lunar hollow]

it scales with enemy density

[willow hazel]

and scales off elite killing

[lunar hollow]

yeah but perilous combustion isnt going to very quickly apply 16 soulblaze stacks and keep them

it is overpowered

[olive ember]

Perilous does, but you aren’t killing 2 elites faster than a purge can get 6 stacks of fire

[lunar hollow]

but it is not doing the same thing as purg

[olive ember]

And perilous is good

[lunar hollow]

where u point a cone at a pack and they all instantly get the soulblaze

[olive ember]

But you can also kill 2 elites with literally anything else

[plucky flax]

Purg users coping.

[lunar hollow]

like really what i would say is just bring an iag with scriers

and blast the guys

[willow hazel]

That's just 3 elites + Venting Shriek.

[lunar hollow]

cuz thats fun

[loud ferry]

so psyker is a support class ?

[wind wadi]

You haven't seen the chainaxe users

[lunar hollow]

i dont like the purg im just saying if u go "its only for hordes" ur just being wrong about the numbers

[plucky flax]

I don't touch chain weapons they're all bad.

[lunar hollow]

because it will kill other stuff

[willow hazel]

Where are they?

[fresh reef]

I mean, you can be, sorta
Vet and Zealot are better at that though

[olive ember]

Purge kills everything short of ogryns and bosses in one charge

[lunar hollow]

and comparing single target dps on the flamethrower staff is a really weird point

[wind wadi]

In all my auric missions running martyrdom not taking medicae

[lunar hollow]

its like comparing an iag to a bolter based purely on ttk vs carapace

[olive ember]

Surge staff is a single target dps staff that barely beats out the horde clearing staffs by like a second or two for singular targets

Aka it’s not that good

But if you guys like it all the more power to ya

[fresh reef]

no dude you don't understand I need to keep my health low so I can hit poxwalkers breakpoints
The poxwalker in question, taking a single swing at them:
https://tenor.com/view/black-handsome-man-gif-26189177

[wind wadi]

But surge staff is aimbot nobrain YouTube on the second screen mode

[olive ember]

You make it sound like any of the other staffs are particularly hard to use .-.

[willow hazel]

Hordeclear comes from Assail or Perilous Combustion + Venting Shriek. Why do you also need to run bad hordeclear on your staff too?

[olive ember]

Perilous combustion assumes you are killing every elite which

If your team isn’t dog

Isn’t reality

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind wadi]

You can aim backwards with surge and it'll hit something

[willow hazel]

Surge staff kills very quickly

[olive ember]

I disagree

[fresh reef]

this is a HUGE if, though

[olive ember]

Eh when I play with randoms I play revive vet nowadays to try and mitigate their tendencies to die to poxwalkers

Also because I gotta test out my vet build

[opal pebble]

does +5% ranged damage boost affect assail and force staff damage?

[rare storm]

Ye

[loud ferry]

can it be full atk

[plucky flax]

Derpy melee weapon only run in auric maelstrom when? I'll let you use combat ability too.

[fresh reef]

Psyker is, for the most part, Darktide's most flexible class

[bleak tulip]

the one thing you cant do is kill bosses

[fresh reef]

you can do pretty much anything short of instant boss deletion and health tanking

[scarlet barn]

Venting shriek or bubble s hield?

[olive ember]

Both are decent

[bleak tulip]

venting is overall better but having a bubble is big comfy

[fresh reef]

Both are good, depends on what you want to do

[scarlet barn]

i keep exploding

[fresh reef]

then take Shriek while you're learning to manage peril

[bleak tulip]

dont click the button at 100 then

[arctic vector]

Does empowered psychics affect the surge staff?

[scarlet barn]

it calls to me

[bleak tulip]

yeah same

thats why I run shriek

[fresh reef]

Oh boy does it ever

[scarlet barn]

can you explain what you mean by what i want to do?

[arctic vector]

Is this intentional? Does it inherit one of the blitz's buffs? Does this happen with other staves?

[bleak tulip]

its bugged

[olive ember]

It’s a bug that makes surge staff actually useful, slightly overtuned even

[opal pebble]

Could this tree be better?

[fresh reef]

Shriek is better for a more aggressive playstyle, giving you more horde clear and allowing you to attack more with warp attacks

Shield is better defensively, by way of taking ground or holding a position

[dark stag]

So I know it's preferance butttt, what would you guys say I should run(curio wise) to counter gunners?

[scarlet barn]

i wana warp attack all ay every day

[lethal folio]

gunner resist

[bleak tulip]

toughness?

[dark stag]

I guess so

[fresh reef]

1. No
2. Surge and Smite are in code as the same attack, so EP bonuses apply without consuming a charge
3. No

[olive ember]

Two toughness with gunner res

Should prob take atleast one health to help not get oneshot by a random bruiser or sniper

[arctic vector]

Is this new? Did they address it in the latest patch notes?

[willow hazel]

Actually the introduced it with the latest patch

[scarlet barn]

damn if i go for venting shriek i lose 5% crit chance...

[bleak tulip]

they buffed the damage last patch

[agile lantern]

so ep is buffing the surge staff right now?

[fresh reef]

always was

[bleak tulip]

it just wasnt that noticable with 35%

or whatever it was

[agile lantern]

are we sure this is a bug and not intentional

[bleak tulip]

yes

[olive ember]

Since patch 13, so since rework. Just became obvious when tried to buff smite by changing empowered psionics from +30% to +125%

[fresh reef]

There's no way it's intentional

[arctic vector]

I will abuse this as much as I can

[willow hazel]

It's only fun for a game or too

[agile lantern]

since the patch i’ve been running smite, ep, with surge staff

[scarlet barn]

does +ranged damage count for warp attacks?

[olive ember]

It’s cool for a game or two and then you realize it plays the exact same as normal surge and drop it

[agile lantern]

that might explain why my surge staff is so op

[olive ember]

That’s my experience with it at least

[fresh reef]

What's your ign? Asking so I can avoid you until you stop having fun with the bug

[olive ember]

Just outkill them

[arctic vector]

You will never see me coming

[olive ember]

It rly isn’t hard to outkill a surge staff

Had multiple games with bugged surge and they were basically useless

Relegated to smiting hordes

And then the people I played with complained that they didn’t take out melee because they were snoring hordes

[agile lantern]

how are you sure that EP is effecting the surge staff

[spice veldt]

use the power of gun and shoot enemies before the final tick of damage is dealt

[bleak tulip]

use it without a charge

and then with one

you see the difference

[olive ember]

Because surge staff does normal damage at the start, and then you get an empowered psionic stack and suddenly it gets double damage

[agile lantern]

well i hope they never fix it

[orchid shadow]

I didn't drop Surge when it was just a CC zap. Not going to drop it because of a bug, not going to drop it when it's inevitably fixed. =/

[arctic vector]

Psyker just can't catch a break with all these exploits huh

[bleak tulip]

eh its not a huge issue

[arctic vector]

from infinite domes and smite to this

[bleak tulip]

I bet it does make melee maelstrom games a little silly tho

[olive ember]

/shrug

It’ll get ironed out eventually

We aren’t even the most broken class

Ogryn is

[fresh reef]

observe

[olive ember]

Just for wte reason you don’t have armies of whiners on Reddit going “omg ogryn is op and I can’t play the game anymore”

Like you do with Psyker

[fresh reef]

because being carried by an Ogryn is lore accurate, I suppose

[agile lantern]

fair

[orchid shadow]

Ogryn is OP now?

[bleak tulip]

reddit gamers are playing on lower difficulties a lot where assail was real silly

and visibly so

[olive ember]

Omg is that an 800 crit on the 3000 hp crusher? Surge staff is so GOOD

[olive ember]

It’s been op since class rework

[arctic vector]

I really don't get the assail complaints all assail users I've seen on lower diffs explode every 3 minutes

[fresh reef]

b-b-b-but it charges so fast!!!!

it's GOOD guys I SWEAR

[olive ember]

@orchid shadow https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

[quasi junco]

ok going to try and voidstrike/mk1 claw/surge/telekin shield/empowered psionics build in damnation, wish me luck

[plucky flax]

Thats interesting I wonder how fast purgatus kill it.

[olive ember]

Lemme find the rumbler clip from this patch

[quasi junco]

wtf does the salvo effect the charged attack?

[orchid shadow]

Holy crap! And I thought the what-did-you-just-throw-explosion was funny to see with the killfeed just suddenly filling up. What the hell was that??

[quasi junco]

i got Fd royally on RNG here

[orchid nest]

hell its not just gun lugger, shield ogryn is like a better mobile tank trauma user

and full skullbreaker is crazy too

[olive ember]

It’s called bugged ripper gun with light em up

[fresh reef]

Ogryns just have the charisma factor

[olive ember]

Cuz for wte reason ogryns gun lugger ult that gives them +3 burn stacks per shot is actually +3 burn stacks per pellet

Also @orchid shadow https://streamable.com/kbdhue

This time without a bug

That I’m aware of

[fresh reef]

look at this lil guy

he wouldn't be overpowered as fuck

no sah

[orchid nest]

see legit like that last clip, shield ogryn too can just charge down that line and take slightly longer to kill them all for no ammo. while making ironbreaker from vt2 look flimsy in comparison

[olive ember]

https://streamable.com/ix4tom

Remember guys when people say “bugged surge invalidates the game” remember they have no clue what op actually is

[bleak tulip]

someone get him a real mic

my ears

[glossy ember]

just dropped this fellas, what do

[bleak tulip]

keep it for memes

[glossy ember]

i guess i can go maniac or unyielding over sprint

and uhh

[olive ember]

@lunar hollow

[glossy ember]

replace blazing?

[lunar hollow]

i do have one i just have a really stupid problem that prevents me from using it

[spare sail]

that my good sir is what we call a skill issue

[glossy ember]

that came from the most fun lights out game I had too

never thought it'd be so fun as psyker

[bleak tulip]

is it a stupid problem or are you too stupid for the problem

[lunar hollow]

i know what the problem is im just lazy as hell

[bleak tulip]

f

[spare sail]

i feel that

[orchid shadow]

Ha, that's wild. I'm having fun just watching it. I wouldn't have a problem with an Ogryn like that on my team. Not like It ever seem to happen anyways.

[rare storm]

That's a fucking good name I'm stealing this HAHAHHA

[near wyvern]

Meme time

[lunar hollow]

shield ogryn is not killing 4 elites in the time it takes a single rumbler nade to detonate

im intentionally playing degenerate because its really funny to watch a bunch of rumbler nades explode

[orchid nest]

yeah not in the same time. that wasn't a dig at gunlugger btw, just highlighting how crazy ogryn is in general right now. just charge through them, turn around and bash em a couple times, they will bleed out

[lunar hollow]

yeah

ogryn is overtuned as hell in a bunch of ways

but gunlugger does the best at deleting entire rooms quicker than ur teammates can have fun

[olive ember]

Basically every class is strong rn, zealots are basically unkillable with a certain build, plasma vets literally one shot crushers and their guns have like 100 cleave, ogryn is ogryn, and then we have psykers

[near wyvern]

What is it that two days ago, this was a veteran chat. Yesterday the zealots were here, and today it's ogryns. Tomorrow Psykers? 😂

[lunar hollow]

oh also this one is a real funny example

https://streamable.com/vb1fms

this is melee only maelstrom

(with an ammo vet)

[olive ember]

Eh most people end up in zealot chat for no reason

[glossy ember]

btw question lads, my melee and ranged damage is pretty equal in most matches, this normal?

[lunar hollow]

the class chats all take turns discussing different classes

[glossy ember]

using surge+catachan iv

[lunar hollow]

u never know what ull get

[olive ember]

Zealot chat talks about psyker every other day

Hence psyker chat 2

[lunar hollow]

yeah