So I have carapace and bosses covered
#psyker-class
supple dock
So
echo turtle
Flakiak seems decent, or is there something else that's a secret sauce?
supple dock
Empathic evasion (with surge) or movement speed
I'm a little stuck between the choices
spice veldt
the secret sauce is in our hearts
echo turtle
the secret sauce is in our hearts
A true sibling this one is
bleak tulip
how romantic
spice veldt
(not real psyker rp because there is no narcissism in sight)
echo turtle
Aha, you reckon uncanny is still worth taking if I have armor killing elsewhere
bleak tulip
it's fine I just read it with the screeching voice
echo turtle
Slaught + shred maybe or + ?
spice veldt
prob playstyle and how often you melee flak/cara/maniac/unyielding
echo turtle
Flak and maniac a lot realisticly
That's like, everything important that isn't an ogryn
spice veldt
i wonder how good bloodthirsty would be for perfect timing
echo turtle
Hmmmnm
spice veldt
if you don't have enough crit chance in your build to maintain it
echo turtle
That's an idia
I have rolled up like, 40 force swords and still not gotten bloodthirsty yet
But, eventually I'll get it
fierce crest
axe light vs illisi heavy
bleak tulip
I mean that's like apples to oranges tho
fierce crest
illisi has to use special and heavy to match the power of antax light
echo turtle
Illisi charge heavy can Regen like all your health
There's synergies
bleak tulip
compare it to something like mk4 heavy or Deimos h2
also you missed the meme I was making
echo turtle
Antax lights I think do fuck all for damage after the first two targets, I think illisi is better there
Obs an illisi charge has like way more cleave
fierce crest
nvm can also do it with illisi special light
either way, like 3x the attack speed if youre using specials
echo turtle
I think Rashad is even better than antax now for the attack speed and weak spot modifier
fierce crest
Antax lights I think do fuck all for damage after the first two targets, I think...
i literally 1shot 4 horde enemies with an antax light
worthy dune
I feel like cleave damage isnt necessary to be this high but is it worth a grab or nah?
supple dock
that's a pretty solid wep
echo turtle
i literally 1shot 4 horde enemies with an antax light
I have run the antax a lot and that's like, not a thing
supple dock
Not perfect by any means but you'd be able to do the hardest content with that sword
spice veldt
new brutal momentum π
echo turtle
Antax / surge was my build for a few months.
Unless they changed the axe a lot, after the second target the antax does like 40 damage
spice veldt
brutal momentum makes you maintain first-target damage on a weakspot kill, up to 4 targets
echo turtle
Oh snaaaaaaaaap
spice veldt
yeah the description does not do it any justice
fierce crest
I have run the antax a lot and that's like, not a thing
yes it is
echo turtle
So light 3 is basically an illisi
spice veldt
get that brutal momentum money
fierce crest
i mean l1 and 2 also
echo turtle
Wild, I'll have to try that out.
bleak tulip
is brutal the reason latrine shovel is back?
spice veldt
probably
I think tactical axes are the only weapons with brumo that can't really make use of it?
bleak tulip
cucked
orchid shadow
Which Antax is that?
spice veldt
grenadier gauntlets can also make use of brutal momentum (brutal momentum applies to the melee attacks of your ranged weapon for some reason) https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AsSZvjiNEg8t5/d1337bNyz3u6?invite=cr-MSxncjgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA
fierce crest
Which Antax is that?
vestal cloak
Whatβs the strongest psyker build
fierce crest
the antax
vestal cloak
Currently leveling it up
fierce crest
Whatβs the strongest psyker build
orchid shadow
Ah, the usual suspect then. π
echo turtle
I'm gonna try the Brumo axe on my zealot with shroud field and see what it can drop
fierce crest
actually i change my mind
bleak tulip
real answer: do fucking anything to get to EP and run surge
west fjord
Worth trying to reroll or just getting rid?
bleak tulip
okay I shouldn't post in bed
supple dock
lmao
spice veldt
i saw that
bleak tulip
it's besto
spice veldt
die for your crimes
supple dock
π
bleak tulip
shut
west fjord
We all saw that
echo turtle
Slap flaniac on it and that's a fine sword
bleak tulip
you saw fuckin nothing
fierce crest
@mods
bleak tulip
but yeah that's pretty good
supple dock
Whelp. I've learned a lot from this short interaction with you guys
Thanks for the info!
spice veldt
happy to help perilous combustion enjoyers
supple dock
π
bleak tulip
π€
ebon plaza
Does anyone know if Endless Smite works after patch 14?
bleak tulip
nope
I have been informed it does in fact not
but there is a fun new (not new) and exciting (broken) other bug with it
long wharf
The worst part of using surge staff is needing the Smite upgrade nodes
ebon plaza
k, ty for the info mate
supple dock
What part of smite effects surge?
long wharf
Every part
supple dock
o-oh
bleak tulip
I think the 10% bonus damage doesn't but that's just what I've been told
most everything else seems to
austere wadi
worthy dune
that's a pretty solid wep
Okay maybe if this hits shred we're cookin
bleak tulip
that's pretty good
long wharf
And Smite doesn't even feel good to use right now, with how quickly it generates peril
frigid sparrow
Quit casting it at 40% peril
worthy dune
And Smite doesn't even feel good to use right now, with how quickly it generates...
I think they coulda given like 25% peril reduction for middle tree at least
long wharf
Really should have
frigid sparrow
If you rock it for EP, you cool down ALL the way while you manuever to your best spot
Then full send
Get the most for your money
long wharf
No peril use was broken, but no peril reduction at all is equally bad
spice oar
What level do you think our psykers are? They have to be zeta or gamma imo
wind wadi
Anyone know if this was addressed? https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-warp-flurry-cancels-crits-and-last-damaging-hit-from-occuring/76721
rocky hedge
i hate pskyer now, it was my fav. class. IDK how to love it again, the peril is killing me.
lethal lagoon
Just be a push bish for a bit to relearn peril management
frank moat
Try quelling
lethal lagoon
That said, psyker really isn't like it was before the major patch π¦
Being OP get's old, I miss strategic gameplay.
orchid shadow
Anyone know if this was addressed? https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staf...
Huh.. I don't think I've experienced that. And surge is the only staff I use.
lethal lagoon
Kind of hard to do 5 chained attacks, no?
fierce crest
That said, psyker really isn't like it was before the major patch π¦
old psyker is still here and its fine
supple dock
Yeah, the og psyker is whjat I'm currently playing lol
lethal lagoon
π€·ββοΈ Psyker is just pew-pew now.
fierce crest
plays the build you dont like
"guys why is psyker boring now"
orchid shadow
Kind of hard to do 5 chained attacks, no?
You can easily get to 7 chained attacks on low charge
lethal lagoon
Oh I was thinking full charged, yeah
I never noticed it stop criting personally, and I have healthbars on.
Yeah you can't see crit in-game but you can see teh dam difference
covert ermine
Yeah psyker is not overpowering now and its sad
orchid shadow
Oh I was thinking full charged, yeah
Even at full charge, I can get 6, but have to Shriek at the end
long wharf
What level do you think our psykers are? They have to be zeta or gamma imo
They're gaming level, not canon
lethal lagoon
Yeah psyker is not overpowering now and its sad
Huh?
supple dock
psyker is absolutely busted with the right builds what do you meaaan
north cradle
Just use Surge Staff now
lethal lagoon
If you think void isn't OP anymore you are playing the wrong game lmao.
lethal lagoon
Surge bug doesn't count as being OP, it's just bad coding.
north cradle
But even when that gets patched, Psyker is still really good at his job. You just need to figure out your playstyle
spice oar
They're gaming level, not canon
That's such a dodge the question answer god
long wharf
Our varlets aren't canon, they can't be
lethal lagoon
I'm hardly "whining". But being a Pew-pew machine isn't exactly fun beyond a few games.
fierce crest
literally
lethal lagoon
It's the reason why I didn't play old vet that often
fierce crest
just play old psyker
north cradle
Assail still kicks ass, I think Brain Rupture is in a decent spot, and you have plenty of support options,
lethal lagoon
I mean if there's a "boohoo" it's you being really weird about this.
orchid shadow
I'm not sure what that bug report is getting at. I see the damage on the 5th chain, and it can crit.
spice oar
Our varlets aren't canon, they can't be
I get that they arnt cannon, Im talking about if they were to be put on the psyker power scale where would they be.
lethal lagoon
That said, I was enjoying smite surge psyker pre-bug. Just for some mindless fun.
rocky hedge
why dont they give new reblesses with every patch?
fossil snow
I see you psykers who like brain burst a liiiitle to much and use it often than you probably should
im calling you out
north cradle
I do what I want
fossil snow
I see you popping that dreg for the funny noise
long wharf
"Plot power"
fierce crest
the only old psyker thing we lost was BB getting stacks on every kill
north cradle
Dreg? Like, the bruisers or?
fierce crest
everything else is there
supple dock
the only old psyker thing we lost was BB getting stacks on every kill
it's nicer to get it on spec/elite
imo
orchid shadow
im calling you out
I feel.. attacked. That dreg was about to touch me.
north cradle
Not if you're trying to do Penances
long wharf
Who still has penances to do?
wind wadi
I'm not sure what that bug report is getting at. I see the damage on the 5th ch...
It was from a while ago so I guess it's been resolved. Thanks for testing
north cradle
I already did all the Redacted Penances before they were called Redacted Penances, but I can't imagine it feels good to lose all your Warp Charge stacks when you don't want to, because Kinetic Overdrive didn't do that
fossil snow
I wish I had the option to not dump warp charges on scryers
I wanna stack the funny %s
north cradle
That should really be down the tree as opposed to being in the first node of Warp Charges.
supple dock
I actualyl agree with taht
orchid shadow
And while I'm charging to kill that dreg, another is closing in. It's just a vicious cycle.
north cradle
If someone doesn't want to fast charge their ability to keep damage stacks, don't force them to do
fossil snow
another 20 from warp rider
north cradle
another 20 from warp rider
Don't forget buffs from crits
fossil snow
how high can you stack it I wonder
ornate hamlet
hey y'all! did anything change for surge staff talents with the new update?
lethal lagoon
chain BB kills is the same
BB breakpoints are way worse. No fire spread. No damage buff. Can't speed up BB without also nuking your warp charges. EP doesn't work well on BB. It's not the same what so ever. I feel like you never actually mained psyker before october 3rd.
lethal lagoon
hey y'all! did anything change for surge staff talents with the new update?
Yes, it's bugged as fucked lmao.
north cradle
No fire spread? Did it ever spread fire if you weren't targeting Elites and Specialists?
Wrack And Ruin was specifically for hitting Elites and Specialists with Brain Burst
north cradle
orchid shadow
BB breakpoints are way worse. No fire spread. No damage buff. Can't speed up BB ...
What? EP gives you cast time reduction. And works well too, especially if you're chaining elites
ornate hamlet
Yes, it's bugged as fucked lmao.
could you send a screenshot of the talent tree we should be using! :D
north cradle
I know it was three stacks after this screenshot was taken, but it was always when killing Elites and Specialists
lethal lagoon
No, it was on hit for a while.
I don't remember when it was changed either direction.
north cradle
Chat, help us out
long wharf
Wrack And Ruin was specifically for hitting Elites and Specialists with Brain Bu...
Used to be just hitting them with BB. Now you have to kill them (but with any method)
lethal lagoon
I mean new periolous combustion is definitely more OP
long wharf
The talent tree patch changed it
lethal lagoon
But that's not my point here
harsh urchin
idk if it's worth taking after the nerf lol
going from 8 stacks to 6 stacks from killing two things is a huge diff
lethal lagoon
could you send a screenshot of the talent tree we should be using! :D
Just get EP and it'll give 125% damage to surge staff. Don't run it for more than a couple games though, makes it boring for your teammates.
harsh urchin
it's the diff between stuff dying and stuff not dying π
fading patrol
This is ancient
worthy dune
No it's fine guys I'll take care of the mauler squad myself
fierce crest
is this guy speedhacking?
north cradle
I actually find it in a kind of odd spot depending on what blitz you're using, because if you're using Assail, for instance, you're already shredding enemies in three or four shots, so it's really only if there are mobs or Ogryns also mixed with the smaller Elites
worthy dune
I think thats just a zealot w the movespeed buffs, theyve got quite a few of em and hes got a knife
lethal lagoon
Knife zoomies are super fun
north cradle
Lucas looks like he's using a knife? And if he used the Chastise the Wicked ult, it looks fairly normal
lethal lagoon
is this guy speedhacking?
Knife guy? No, just looks like normal knife zoomies.
orchid shadow
Knife zoomies, lol. Now I just have a mental picture of a Zealot Cat having knife zoomies at 3AM in the morning.
north cradle
That's most orange cats
lethal lagoon
That's the average zealot gameplay style lmao
fierce crest
Knife guy? No, just looks like normal knife zoomies.
hes got like 2x normal movespeed always
lethal lagoon
Them running ahead and getting netted is a lot cuter when you think of them as zoomy cats.
Yeah, knife zoomies are great.
north cradle
That's why I stick to Thunder Hammer as Zealot
lethal lagoon
Also keep in mind even minor movespd increases will seem like a lot, let alone zealot ones
north cradle
It's more fun to hear something get annihilated rather than move ahead of my teammates
supple dock
My favorite thing is when a zealot runs off on his own, and I just go "He's gonna get netted/dogged, die, and then leave"
And it happens like 60% of the time it's amazing
lethal lagoon
39% of the time he runs back shortly after with no HP. And then 1% of the time he's actually good and plows throughthe level.
supple dock
lmao trueee
north cradle
When the zealot you say is going to die if he leaves the group to speedrun dies after leaving the group to speedrun
lethal lagoon
It used to be silent snipers ganging me, now it's silent bursters
north cradle
While we're at it, Snipers that shoot people already grabbed by a Mutant. It's just insult to injury
lethal lagoon
I mean that sounds like something a futuristic sniper would do though
But it's always painful
north cradle
Actual skeet shooting
ornate hamlet
should i take smite with surge staff or dont bother?
lethal lagoon
The two smite talents affect staff. So if you are going to do the bug, might as well go all the way
ornate hamlet
oo gotcha
lethal lagoon
Also EP smite now is pretty fun. Decent horde clear. It's kind of cool seeing all the mobs in an elite pack die while everything else is stunned. Pairs well with shriek.
north cradle
I've an opposing opinion to that. I don't really need the Smite buffs since Ogryns and Mutants die within two or three bursts, so I keep Brain Burst on there for a long-range option
fierce crest
@spice veldt youll be happy to know that revolver speed load no longer works with melee kills
spice veldt
π₯Ί
twilit carbon
i didnt believe you guys.
i used trauma staff, flame staff, even went into the headhunter gun because i love psyker melee combat more than any other facet of the class.
long wharf
But! Hand Cannon still works for Assail
fossil snow
what do you guys think is better for stacking empowered bbs? Elites or 12?
vivid blaze
I am just wondering, has anyone found out about the empowered psionics buffing surge staff yet?
I am testing it in the psykanium and for some reason the surge staff is getting buff by empowered psionics
fossil snow
I dont think the game knows the difference between the two
vivid blaze
i went from two shotting crushers to almost one shotting them
fossil snow
I think smite is just the old surge staff in a halloween costume
so it might think new surge is just smite for the purposes of empowered
vivid blaze
its a lil silly
unborn flicker
This thing does as much dmg as a flashlight, they nerfed too hard ;-;
fossil snow
eh, void was cool before the patches and will remain after
gaunt stone
This thing does as much dmg as a flashlight, they nerfed too hard ;-;
It's not terrible it just doesn't mow down carapace now.
unborn flicker
It doesnt mow down anything
gaunt stone
They reduced dmg by 90 and lowered the carapace modifier. Part of it is in your head.
half turtle
i think void feels fine still, it still goes through bulwark shields and it only takes a little bit more effort to kill crushers
gaunt stone
i think void feels fine still, it still goes through bulwark shields and it only...
This. You need to hit their heads now to blow em up.
gritty tapir
Surprised by the light tweaks on Assail. Its basically better at lower difficulites overall, guessing the tune down affected the spam on higher difficulties a tad.
fossil snow
even at its weakest void could part the sea of heretical heads like moses
ebon jolt
Well at least one of these came out decent π
half turtle
assail actually feels a bit stronger to me now on auric, i always kinda felt the worst thing about it was that the rmb aim-shot was real shit
the lmb spam still fucks up hordes
i think the only situation it's weaker is when you're in a room of like, only elites and you're just trying to lmb-spam a paragraph on the killfeed
fossil snow
does anyone know the trick to relliably getting curve shots on assails right click?
unborn flicker
Assail let me down too
spice veldt
i think you are feeling the placebo effect hard
fossil snow
I like banking them around stuff, and I figure if I lean into the right click I am safe from nerfs
half turtle
does anyone know the trick to relliably getting curve shots on assails right cli...
if you highlight the head you can bump your cursor up slightly and it'll throw in that direction but still home in on the head, if that's what you mean
unborn flicker
It wasnt enough to stop a horde of poxwalkers, only thing that saved me was force sword spam reflect
gritty tapir
IMO the worst thing about Assail is the habits and ego it creates in newer Psykers. I LIKE the power. I DISLIKE how easy it is to spam it throughout the entire mission (which wasn't touched at all).
fossil snow
if you highlight the head you can bump your cursor up slightly and it'll throw i...
highlight first then?
spice veldt
It wasnt enough to stop a horde of poxwalkers, only thing that saved me was forc...
you only need to stack a few buffs to reach the same BP on poxwalkers as before
fossil snow
I was tossing them out and then snapping to highlight
spice veldt
go get some malefic momentum and perfect timing stacks up
heaven forbid that you have to put in a little more effort to use the assail
river stirrup
Also EP smite now is pretty fun. Decent horde clear. It's kind of cool seeing al...
woudl share us a build ? π
fossil snow
with.... liiimited success
half turtle
highlight first then?
yeah the highlight might move if you swap too far though, but generally assail will home in on the head that's highlighted so as long as it is you can throw it wherever and it'll get there
gritty tapir
I mean, the lower Toughness gen on kills is big. Doesn't really matter if the entire room is dead already. shrug
fossil snow
shield this fatty
half turtle
heaven forbid that you have to put in a little more effort to use the assail
surely if you're using assail to support horde melee you're getting those stacks for free anyways
fossil snow
I dont assail into hordes, since it can damage morale
spice veldt
yeah just swap weapons and hit enemies with melee once in a while
malefic stacks last for 8 seconds
fossil snow
if no one is around to see though I do sometimes
lethal lagoon
woudl share us a build ? π
I can I guess, but the main focus is just smite with talents, shriek with flaming talent, and EP with elite kill and 3 stacks. The bug is what matters, do whatever you want.
spice veldt
if it's just a horde, just swap to melee and kill a single trash enemy to maintain it
gritty tapir
I just played a match with two Assail Psykers. I only really got to play the game when they got bored of insta-gibbing everything before I got there.
spice veldt
that's literally just free +20% warp damage right there
half turtle
yeah just swap weapons and hit enemies with melee once in a while
i usually use it to take some pressure off myself if i need to hold a big horde at a door or something, and i'm using a weapon with mediocre cleave like a dueling sword or a deimos
knife i guess
gritty tapir
Doubling the chains on Empowered is ridiculous.
spice veldt
mfs pathing through mind in motion instead of malefic
fossil snow
I just played a match with two Assail Psykers. I only really got to play the gam...
morale damage
lethal lagoon
All the psykers who lvled to 30 with assial queuing for aurics π₯Ή
gritty tapir
I kinda called it out. One said he was trying it for the first time. After his third time blowing himself up (With ONLY Assail) I believed it. π
half turtle
thankfully i have enough resources that it's kinda fun to get 1-2 shit teammates
instead of annoying
fossil snow
I hate that mind in motion is where it is
half turtle
cuz like, if we wipe we wipe
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
i feel like mind in motion was invented for some version of this game without dodging or sliding in it
spice veldt
i basically see mind in motion and CDR as dead talents because they don't benefit me, so I just go down into malefic momentum and prescience
lethal lagoon
Mind in motion has toughness before it versus peril gen for CDR, so makes more sense. Misread what you said, nvm
fossil snow
the wumbo dodge is nice too
half turtle
I kinda called it out. One said he was trying it for the first time. After his t...
lol i blow myself up a lot when i take assail/wall, it's why i don't take assail/wall any more
well also just shriek is so goddamn good
i have a lot of unfortunate muscle memory around letting peril hit 100 and then venting out of it
gritty tapir
I mean, its so hard to blow yourself up with Assail. The main problem is when it unwrinkles your brain with the spam so you miss the number going up. π
Thing is, I dislike BB, and Smite is... Yeah.
Not fun.
I want Assail to be fun, but it just feels like its a fun vampire for other players atm. Idk.
half turtle
I mean, its so hard to blow yourself up with Assail. The main problem is when it...
when i play shriek i often intentionally overload to get an extra headpop or trauma shot or whatever "for free" (with warp rider bonus etc) because i need to hit F anyways to make space so i might as well get the action economy, but this translates terribly if you don't have shriek lol
lethal lagoon
Biggest issue with assail for me is that it kills the mobs I need to reach the ranged mobs.
As in use them for toughness gen in between
gritty tapir
Oh, I usually play Shriek too.
lethal lagoon
So it's not just a fun killer, it's just a killer killer.
gritty tapir
If you're playing with an Assail Psyker who has more than three braincells to rub together, you kinda don't get to play the game most of the time (lower difficulites wise).
half turtle
anyways BB buffs were cool
lethal lagoon
Like Me -> random mob -> gunner. If you kill that mob before I melee it, you just nuked my toughness.
gritty tapir
Yeah, BB is cool thematically, I just don't like how it feels.
half turtle
i already always took it tho
so i can't always take it more
with EP you one-shot most stuff that matters
gritty tapir
BB was the reason I dipped on Psyker on release.
half turtle
i think you also one-shot ragers now with buffs which is high-value for perilous combustion chains into elite packs
half turtle
Yeah, BB is cool thematically, I just don't like how it feels.
like in terms of qol/usability?
gritty tapir
To be fair, I only just got Ogryn to 30 and figured out the Taunt talent turns off Gunners.
gritty tapir
like in terms of qol/usability?
Generally it was gamefeel. Initially it was bad to target what I wanted to kill, charge took too long, the highlight is just a 'lol I'll kill that then' to any Vet. Add to that the fact that it wasn't one shotting most enemies that matter...
half turtle
you can clear an entire room of shotgunners in two heavies
gritty tapir
Yeah, its fun.
half turtle
Generally it was gamefeel. Initially it was bad to target what I wanted to kill,...
so EP fixes 2 of those those problems (charge time and not 1-shotting)
gritty tapir
When you're hitting things that haven't just had their head replaced by a blue fire effect. π
half turtle
but then you have to manage your ep stacks
gritty tapir
so EP fixes 2 of those those problems (charge time and not 1-shotting)
Yeah, I get it.
half turtle
which can be finicky
gritty tapir
I enjoy Assail more. Personally I try to only use it on massive hordes or bigger patrols.
half turtle
assail is definitely still the overall dps champ i think
gritty tapir
Seeing all the Assail spam toward Maulers, Crushers, etc its funny. Its less funny when it auto-chains to other things so they aren't even punished for it.
If you aren't having the AI compiment you 20 times a run with Assail, you're doing it wrong.
half turtle
tbh i often toss a few lmb shards when i'm fighting a mixed horde just so it thins the chaff a bit
gritty tapir
Just a fact.
orchid shadow
Quick question. Ideally, what am I looking for in a Dueling Sword? I've never used one and Melk has this for sale.
normal radish
Anyone else getting deep blue trails with some Assail shards
spice veldt
Anyone else getting deep blue trails with some Assail shards
ye it indicates a crit
half turtle
Quick question. Ideally, what am I looking for in a Dueling Sword? I've never ...
you probably want a mk4 with uncanny strike
fossil snow
I love how spitefull bb feels
like a personal notarized fuck you specifically kind of cast
half turtle
the stab on the mk4 is weirdly stronger than the chops on the other dueling swords
gritty tapir
tbh i often toss a few lmb shards when i'm fighting a mixed horde just so it thi...
Yeah, my only problem is the fact you can just keep spamming, and the game rewards you for that 'gameplay' at the moment. shrug
gritty tapir
like a personal notarized fuck you specifically kind of cast
BB thematically is cool as hell.
Mk4 Stab is like a physical BB.
orchid shadow
you probably want a mk4 with uncanny strike
Doh, okay. The quest to find something to spend my milk money on something continues.
gritty tapir
Saying all this, I play Assail/Voidstrike/Mk4, so... Yeah.
I did have most of that set up before the buffs, but still.
half turtle
i did a bit of bb/trauma/knife on patch 14 and it feels really good
gritty tapir
Just been enjoying Ogryn a little more recently as it feels more like a team player than Psyker.
Knife is great. Is the heavy slide cancel still in?
half turtle
if you mean the movetech yeah
gritty tapir
Seems to work with the Mk4, but could be placebo.
half turtle
the mk4 has a movetech on the heavy > slide as well
gritty tapir
Nice.
half turtle
it's definitely faster than a sprint but i found it easier to fuck up
gritty tapir
Its better for keeping up the Stamina I guess.
half turtle
since the ds4 has like a slow > fast movespeed curve so if you hit it too early you get a slow slide
gritty tapir
Knife is ridiculous though.
I should try my Zealot again now it has bleed on crit baseline (almost).
half turtle
you can get rending on the knife which i really appreciate
half turtle
lets you just spam lights into things
half turtle
But I love the Mk4 stab.
the thing i hated most about knife vs ds4 is how much worse it is at dealing with mutants
you have to like, hit it 3-4 times
gritty tapir
Yeah.
half turtle
ds4 can 1shs mutants on a flayer proc or crit
gritty tapir
I love booping the snoot on Muties.
half turtle
or like
with a bit of power investment
knife... can't
well maybe it can but it's really hard to tag them in the head with heavies as they blow by
gritty tapir
Yeah, thousand cuts (or three I guess)
gritty tapir
Phantom range on shield / Mk4 is insane.
surreal mural
New headhunter mk7 on gunpsyker is very very good
gritty tapir
I saw some buffs on the autoguns. My inbuilt dislike of them from prepatch is still strong.
half turtle
is chainsword good
surreal mural
yes
gritty tapir
Scryer's is just... Not good.
Chainsword is one of the better weapons overall this patch.
fossil snow
it is for sword psyker
half turtle
yeah i just want a build that is relatively good in the space of scryer's builds
fossil snow
100% bonus damage goes brrr
half turtle
not one that's good overall
supple dock
scrier's is pretty fun
half turtle
i tried knife/laspistol with scrier and it was like, eh
gritty tapir
I mean, you can make it work.
supple dock
use with a shredder and dueling sword and go brrr
surreal mural
Scryer is good. It's up a lot. Paired with BB and you can get a looot of empowered casts off
supple dock
though the other ones feel better to me
surreal mural
I still prefer the shield tho
half turtle
Scryer is good. It's up a lot. Paired with BB and you can get a looot of empower...
hmm when i was using it i wasn't able to get good uptime
although this was possibly bc knife is bad at killing hordes LOL
fossil snow
I think to like scrier you have to have the mental illness that is gun psyker
or at least be at risk
surreal mural
Yeah I was using dueling sword and it was great
gritty tapir
Does SG cooldown while its active?
supple dock
pretty sure no
surreal mural
dont think so
gritty tapir
Then nah. No thanks. π
half turtle
it does have a talent that extends duration on kill i think
gritty tapir
I get it would be OP, but... No.
supple dock
it does have a talent that extends duration on kill i think
it does that passively
cloud heron
anyone have thoughts on improving this?
half turtle
but yeah shriek just generally feels better in most situations
worthy dune
Bless up oh my gosh finally a good blessing roll, what to replace groaners perk w?
half turtle
since shriek also enables melee, but it also enables chunky slow ranged that generates peril, and blitzes
gritty tapir
Shriek is the safest. Shield is fun but usually someone else deals with the ranged. SG kinda feels like the meme pick.
half turtle
flatshield can be pretty clutch with the stunning but the cast animation feels really bad
and sometimes it just doesn't cast
surreal mural
The cast fucking sucks
gritty tapir
Yeah. Domeshield is so much smoother.
surreal mural
I love the shield but the cast is actually the worst
solar sand
csword with bloodthirsty bloodletter, or the ds for just single target
fossil snow
I like the wall since you get 2 charges
gritty tapir
Yeah, that's the main thing I'd take it for.
surreal mural
I still prefer the wall to dome.
fossil snow
I liked to setup so I can turret speed amped Brain bursts
solar sand
I still prefer the wall to dome.
i get shot in the back too much but maybe im just bad
half turtle
i think wall is overall better because it stops Dangerous Things like disablers
gritty tapir
True.
half turtle
so it;'s a better panic button
gritty tapir
If it casts, yeah.
surreal mural
The worst part about the wall is trying to cast it on ledges
gritty tapir
Shriek is also a panic button, ironically enough.
surreal mural
Like where the wall would be most useful (on the high ground facing gunners) it casts on the fucking low ground
river stirrup
feels like atm best build is shriek with EP.?
gritty tapir
How is everyone finding Smite with the new Empowered changes?
half turtle
Shriek is also a panic button, ironically enough.
yes this is why i run shriek instead most of the time
fossil snow
I like it so I can highball a damage shriek
gritty tapir
Shriek with EP is generally the smoothest. Shield is better with a good team I imagine (though then the shield might not even get much use)
fossil snow
if you cook em just long enough you can turn a wave into mist
cloud heron
Shriek is also a panic button, ironically enough.
Something I don't think Shriek gets enough credit for is the knockback utility to interrupt specials. It's not just a panic button for stopping yourself from blowing up, it's also a panic button for saving yourself from eating a shotgun to the face
gritty tapir
I guess that works. It's hard for me to not say 'but assail tho'. π
supple dock
Something I don't think Shriek gets enough credit for is the knockback utility t...
also to save dogged allies
through walls too
gritty tapir
Yeah.
half turtle
shriek lets you get an extra cast out of void or trauma or whatever too (since it can rescue you from overload) which can be extremely clutch
cloud heron
shriek is just so multi purpose i don't really feel like shield can compete
gritty tapir
Yeah.
gritty tapir
Shriek Assail EP overall seems the best with a Voidstrike for anything you'd BB.
half turtle
does like 4 different things
gritty tapir
It just generally does everything.
I did enjoy becoming the escort NPC with the Smite bug, though.
half turtle
lets you snapshot bb too
spice veldt
the dome shield makes the beast of nurgles useless which is good enough for me
half turtle
since the cast time reduction stacks with ep
gritty tapir
the dome shield makes the beast of nurgles useless which is good enough for me
Stops the vomit?
spice veldt
ye
gritty tapir
Nice, even if its inside?
spice veldt
mhm
gritty tapir
huh
spice veldt
same for flamers and trapper nets, which is nice as a set and forget thing if the team is holed down
gritty tapir
What is good for Monstrosity DPS these days?
Oh, that was another reason BB got me good on release. It was trash for Monstrosities / Bosses.
Comparatively.
supple dock
bb ain't terrible
gritty tapir
But yeah. Is Mk4 generally okay for them?
cloud heron
sometimes I feel like the only person that has just consistently liked brain burst
supple dock
Yeah it's clunky
gritty tapir
Pretty much my main gripe.
Everything else is fine.
Its the reason I like Assail. YES, its overpowered. YES, it feels fun to use.
cloud heron
assail doesn't give you the same level of control over what you're killing
gritty tapir
Smite feels fun until you reach full peril and nothing has died.
Right click kinda does to a degree, but I get what you mean.
Or VS.
I guess VS is another of those 'does many things perhaps a bit too well' balancing issues.
brazen warren
empower smite now reliably kills infested/unarmored trash in 2 casts, which feels better than before. combine with creeping flames vent for even more horde clear
take a melee/ranged combo for bosses/carapace
gentle meadow
What's y'all's favorite female psyker voice?
frigid sparrow
You really need empowered smite. Honestly, I really like the idea that EP affects surge. I run my surge for a bit then once the horde starts getting too large, full cool-down and smite dump
It's a nice cycle of CD management
gritty tapir
Yeah, makes sense. My issue with Smite is that it seems the best for a coordinated team, but on the other hand a coordinated team doesn't need Smite, it needs kill.
brazen warren
most teammates do not realize that if the psyker is using smite, that is your chance to go full aggro and slay out
gritty tapir
most teammates do not realize that if the psyker is using smite, that is your ch...
This.
I mostly do lower difficulites at the moment, so any time I play with anything other than Assail (on me or the others) I kinda get a 'what are you doing?' running through my mind.
T3/4 I mean. Not T5/Auric. Been playing with a newbie friend so chilling mostly.
gritty tapir
Exactly.
surreal mural
So why not enjoy other playstylesp
gritty tapir
Smite is irrelevant in lower difficulites. Not enough targets even worth casting BB (even if i did enjoy it)
brazen warren
one thing I have noticed about empowered smite is that it adheres to a tighter cone of effect due to the faster lightning spread
gritty tapir
Its a suffering from success issue.
I hate playing with Assail Pskyers that don't know how to swap back to their staff / melee after the first G press. On the other hand, I see anyone NOT playing it as basically a larper.
But yeah, back to my question: What is good for Monstrosity DPS? (didn't see an answer, so sorry if I missed one).
brazen warren
vraks mk3 crit headshot, voidsurge, highest fire rate autogun with raking fire
surreal mural
So you harbor negative feelings towards anyone playing Psyker.
gritty tapir
VS is good? Do you spam left click? Spam right clicks? fully charge right clicks?
surreal mural
Either youre a meta slave or a larper
brazen warren
rightclicks into its head
surreal mural
You left no room for anything else
brazen warren
you can do the rightclick into left click for a bit more dps
the rightclick spam is not as good anymore
gritty tapir
Huh.
supple dock
"On the other hand, I see anyone NOT playing it as basically a larper." how can this be taken any other way
lol
surreal mural
Hate assail psyker. Not assail psyker, larp.
brazen warren
consistency and ease of use wise the high firerate autogun with raking fire is the best for boss dps for me
gritty tapir
I mean, who said larping is bad? I also said 'that don't know how to swap' etc.
brazen warren
I have been practicing parry chaining wiht mk4 devil claw, duel to the death every time
gritty tapir
I'm not coming for your class, peeps. I like Psyker. It's just either OP or not massively relevant in the lower difficulites.
How is the DS4 Heavy stabs, DPS wise?
supple dock
massive
gritty tapir
Nice. That was my main fallback.
surreal mural
Oh yeah I'm not offended at all I just think your thought process is flawed. As a Psyker main I feel qualified to psychoanalyze you
brazen warren
heavy 1 is really good burst, heavy 2 is decent cleave, parry counter does 2.5-3k
rolling shred hammerblow on mine with gunker for crit fishing
hammer gives consistency when you are slapping the horde around
warped meadow
I found void strike staff is much more fun and better than assail
gritty tapir
My thought process is that Assail is OP and the other two don't match it enough to be worth considering. My response was more to the tone I percieved than the message itself. π
VS is fun, yeah. I kinda dip off it outside of corridors / Gryns.
warped meadow
then you just run old school brain popping build with void strike and a mark IV duelling sword and you got all your bases covered
plucky flax
It's okay vet is op again don't feel guilty about using assail.
gritty tapir
To be fair, they had a whole week or two where they weren't the top dog. It's only fair.
surreal mural
So why is it not worth considering? Are you playing the game to do maximum damage? Do you feel inadequate if you aren't having an easy game?
plucky flax
Yeah and so much crying from vet players. 
gritty tapir
I mean, you know what I mean. They know what I mean. We all know what I mean.
lethal plover
assail is OP
welcome to last patch. this patch surge smite is broken
plucky flax
Waa waaa we are not op for 2 weeks of patch 13. 
runic hornet
I still play Brain Burst/Trauma
gritty tapir
Pft.
runic hornet
The upgraded ascendent blaze we got that now procs off of 100% peril instead of needing to build up warp charges
gritty tapir
But yeah, Vet was my main on Launch after I dipped on Psyker.
runic hornet
is incredibly based
you can instantly deal with an entire wave of horde and literally just walk away and it's all dead
trauma to keep your team's noses clear and BB for everything else
lethal plover
is there a difference between using it at 99% instead of 100% peril ?
cloud heron
The upgraded ascendent blaze we got that now procs off of 100% peril instead of ...
I preferred warp charges. They were more consistent
plucky flax
The max soulblaze stacks discharge is at around 85% peril.
runic hornet
is there a difference between using it at 99% instead of 100% peril ?
i think you just need to be above, like, 87%, but you have a tendency to jump straight to 100 anyway because you have BB
warped meadow
I mained ogryn for so long, but just absolutely loved pskyer because it was more dynamic
gritty tapir
I just swapped to the big boi and its fun. I do miss being the Spark'ead sometimes.
The taunt on block talent is my latest thing. Now THAT is fun.
(if everything isn't already dead to assail.... NAILED IT)
But yeah, Taunt making gunners switch to melee is funny as hell.
warped meadow
oh yeah, big boy is always fun too. They're all fun lol. Except Zealot. I haven't played zealot yet, don't really care to
gritty tapir
Zealot crit dagger is fun.
lethal plover
zealot is the most enjoyed in one of the recent polls I have seen
gritty tapir
Eviscerator is fun, too. I never got on with the maces though.
lethal plover
you can literally oneshot a daemonhost by playing zealot
well no longer I guess, now it's 2 or 3
warped meadow
I just don't see the niche of the zealot. It's like an orgyn, but smaller and faster?
gritty tapir
well no longer I guess, now it's 2 or 3
Its more like a huge burst now. Don't think you can reset the CD fast enough anymore.
warped meadow
big ogryn weapons go BRRRR, smol zealot weapons go pfffffff
gritty tapir
I just don't see the niche of the zealot. It's like an orgyn, but smaller and fa...
It's a dedicated target killer.
brazen warren
why is assail always called op?
gritty tapir
Kinda.
lethal plover
I see zealot as extreme melee damage and holy revenant allows it to live dangerously
gritty tapir
Because it is? Idk
brazen warren
its not that great
gritty tapir
Okay.
worthy dune
warped meadow
I mean I guess Zealot is your melee dps class
shut shoal
new to sparky, whats the point for surge staff? seems to do simmillar damage to voidstrike but less range and only hits 2-3 enemies?
gotta be using it wrong yeah?
gritty tapir
I believe your opinion is valid, even if it's factually I believe it's wrong.
lethal plover
new to sparky, whats the point for surge staff? seems to do simmillar damage to ...
surge staff with empowered psionic is currently extremely broken
warped meadow
new to sparky, whats the point for surge staff? seems to do simmillar damage to ...
stun locks everything besides bosses
shut shoal
so i just dont have levels currently to make it work then im guessing
lethal plover
fartshark at it again
copper torrent
it is the bug
warped meadow
surge staff is the ultimate keep specials away from your team weapon
copper torrent
the game is trying to tell fatshark that we need unlimited power
lethal plover
yeah I have been having top specials / elites kill with surge in many games now
warped meadow
maulers, poxbusters, mutants, dogs, crushers, bulwarks, surge staff is DA WALL
crystal jolt
new to sparky, whats the point for surge staff? seems to do simmillar damage to ...
voidstrike requires you to aim and lead shots
surge doesn't
but you have to be closer
lethal plover
surge is like I spin and do the palpatin and something dies
gritty tapir
So its like they took the damage from Smite, and added it to the Surge Staff? π
lethal plover
actually Smite now has great damage too. that was the change. no more infinite smite, but damage increases
smite now combined with soulblaze shriek eats hordes for breakfast
shut shoal
one last question. Why are people railing me for uncharged shots? It does amazing suppression for when somebodies getting shot ta shit and i dont want to wait to charge
brazen warren
My experience with assail has been that it is average at the best of times, because my teammates on damnation are so intensely varied in their level game sense. I do not even have time to throw them due to getting mobbed for 3 minutes straight as I solo recover the match >.>
lethal plover
I do TOP damage, and having TOP lesser enemies killed (with smite), and have TOP specials kill with surge
gritty tapir
actually Smite now has great damage too. that was the change. no more infinite s...
I might give it a shot then.
brazen warren
and when I do they dont kill my target or zoom off to hit somthing else
gritty tapir
Idk though, I personally don't use Leaderboards.
brazen warren
terrible for boss dps and carapace too
but psyker has problems with those all around
lethal plover
yes psykers are basically helpless against bosses
shut shoal
My experience with assail has been that it is average at the best of times, beca...
every assail psyker ive matched with the last 2 days has died multiple times a level. Usually when 1-2 maulers or such get involved and the just fuckin crumble
crystal jolt
yes psykers are basically helpless against bosses
brain burst
warped meadow
one last question. Why are people railing me for uncharged shots? It does amazin...
because if you charge your shot and put it right over/next to their cover you'll just kill em instead of keeping their heads down to shoot you in the back later
gritty tapir
Pskyer is a glass cannon whose abilities are enhanced by a good team (at least in my eyes)
lethal plover
brain burst
or play zealot
gritty tapir
You can build them to NOT be that, of course.
brazen warren
BB is not good boss dps, but it is decent burst damage on bosses
gritty tapir
But if you're playing Damnation I'd hope your team is at least semi decent.
brazen warren
no where near zealot or gunlugger ogy
warped meadow
brain burst, deimos/mk iv dueling sword are great boss killing options
lethal plover
my teammate face upon seeing chaos spawn die to zealot bonk in less than 10 seconds was gold
I was born for one job
gritty tapir
no where near zealot or gunlugger ogy
Light 'Em Up feels so good, even after the nerf.
crystal jolt
bosses are always the lowest priority targets so killing them doesn't matter imo
shut shoal
no where near zealot or gunlugger ogy
i had a scoreboard that showed a bot outkilling one of the players with less damage through a damnation run. Good luck.
brazen warren
But if you're playing Damnation I'd hope your team is at least semi decent.
oh man, you have not been playing on my server shard today, worst teams in a while 
gritty tapir
I feel the pain. Been playing with a newbie friend recently so haven't had to go near the higher difficulites for a while. π
brazen warren
2 seperate matches I had to solo clutch a boss with devil claw parry tanking
warped meadow
man there is nothing worse than playing with noobie friends, saying you'll carry them, and then you fuck up and get netted and everyone instantly dies somehow
brazen warren
gritty tapir
Then again, I've had to solo clutch several T3s recently, so maybe everything I know is wrong.
lethal plover
that's why you go straight to highest difficulty
great fun with great players
shut shoal
man there is *nothing* worse than playing with noobie friends, saying you'll car...
trappers man. Every match its the damn trappers from 2Km out netting me through 2 bulwarks a crusher and my will to play
brazen warren
I do think that the "counter speed running tweeks" are affecting the game director and making it a bit to special happy
gritty tapir
man there is *nothing* worse than playing with noobie friends, saying you'll car...
To be fair, it feels like the instant I fuck up in any game its basically over. I think its mostly a luck based thing because I can't remember the last time i've went 'down' and actually been picked up.
crystal jolt
trappers man. Every match its the damn trappers from 2Km out netting me through ...
trapper nets that go through the level geometry are my favourite
"surely this wall is solid"
clueless
shut shoal
trapper nets that go through the level geometry are my favourite
just chalk it up to heresy and hope the zealot notices he has a team
warped meadow
To be fair, it feels like the instant I fuck up in any game its basically over. ...
I feel that. The only times i've gone down recently are when I've lost connection but the game won't disconnect me so I'm getting slapped by invisible invincible enemies lol
gritty tapir
just chalk it up to heresy and hope the zealot notices he has a team
Like the Zealot isn't ruinning Loner.
brazen warren
multiple regular matches going smooth, bam a horde, 5 pox bursters, 3 trappers, 7 flamers, 15 ragers, 2 maulers, a crusher, and a chaos spawn roll out simultaneously
or replace the horde with 3 full shooter squads
lethal plover
that's when you smite. When more things fit the screen than you can count, you start smiting and then watch your flank.
gritty tapir
multiple regular matches going smooth, bam a horde, 5 pox bursters, 3 trappers, ...
Worst I had was a similar ammount AS a newbie aggroed the Daemonhost.
brazen warren
will say, ogryn frag bomb carries matches hard when that horse shit rolls out
warped meadow
I've just learned if the daemonhost gets aggor'd and you can't solely focus on it, you just let it kill the 2 teammates and you focus on clearing out the area. You feel like an ass, but those dudes dead anyway
brazen warren
ogryn puts a smile on my face every time
lethal plover
if you don't have shield ogryn or hammer zealot, that is
gritty tapir
I've just learned if the daemonhost gets aggor'd and you can't solely focus on i...
I play ShieldGryn so fortunately if the team wants to go for it and I can get it first, its basically a free kill.
brazen warren
gunlugger ogryn with kickback and burn stacks is very very high boss dps
gritty tapir
Yeah. I just rolled a new Ripper Mk5 and its good. I do miss my Mk2 though.
I kinda want to roll a Kickback. It just used to suck so much (compared to Rumbler and the rest)
reef island
is this thing bricked?
orchid nest
not bricked, perfectly good blaze trauma
reef island
should I swap one of the perks for anything?
orchid nest
well perfectly may be the wrong word but yeah
gritty tapir
Its perfectly good. Exactly good. Not higher, not lower.
brazen warren
swap specialists for crit chance maybe but otherwise looks solid
orchid nest
I would put maniac over elites because you can reach flamer 1 shot breakpoint with warp charges and the specialists roll combined
orchid nest
flak is good too though for 1 shot those flak trash guys
not as necessary for blaze trauma though, the soulfire ticks will help since its so close
orchid nest
specialists and maniac is pretty good together honestly. I may not choose specialist if I had a choice but killing flamers in 1 shot potentially gives a lot more breathing room than just delaying them when you don't have a lot of time
orchid nest
I like your pfp
hell yeah
gritty tapir
Dueling Force Sword
long wharf
Psyker should be limited to one-handed weapons, so that they can quell at all times
orchid nest
yeah it should just work if it's one handed
long wharf
FatShark need to just pay me to make psyker better
First thing I'd do is make all the staves variants of a single staff archtype
lethal plover
sounds like you're getting fired on day 1
fossil snow
does malific momentum let a illisi buff its own warp slice?
(please say no its the only thing I can drop and I NEED that skill point)
orchid nest
then unique left clicks. then minor psyker power weapon specials on them
steel flame
does malific momentum let a illisi buff its own warp slice?
Ding ding ding
fossil snow
fuck
fossil snow
im trying to do a sword psyker that stacks % buffs as high as I can get them
but its either that or the toughness redution on scriers
and I feel like I want the toughness
fossil snow
stack scrier, warp charges and warp rider onto a sword psyker
make the funny multiplier go up
steel flame
Fair enough
fossil snow
im already having to dip one with the warp because I want the dodge boost
which feels bad
I dont wanna double down on the glass but I might
ocean pumice
Hello, does run and gun on a surge staff allow you to use the secondary attack while sprinting?
cosmic cedar
If I get keystone charged up and get 3 empowered psionics does that stack the damage or just give more uses?
orchid nest
more uses
cosmic cedar
Thanks
unreal dust
Does anybody have experience pairing "Exorcist: Quell on Weakspot hit" with Scrier's Gaze? Decided to experiment with the concept, and I'm testing through the different force swords
long wharf
Nothing you can do to make SG last long enough to be really good
unreal dust
See. This is where I think there's an opportunity. Exorcist, by design, is both a Peril Quel blessing, but its also paired on an actual force weapon.'.. which means I can quell as needed.
long wharf
No, you don't understand
SG ramps up the peril gain to the point where you literally cannot stop it from going up
You can't stop it from hitting 100
bright birch
Yeah, the rate of gain becomes exponential
unreal dust
SG ramps up the peril gain to the point where you literally cannot stop it from ...
Correct. But that's not necessarily a barrier. Its a cooldown. That means I'm using it in a situation I need it to function for a short period of time. It'd be like saying Dome is useless because it only lasts 6.5 seconds minimum.
woven cedar
what perks are good on surge staff?
fossil snow
why doesnt scryrs gaze highlight specials?
long wharf
I don't consider SG's buffs worth it
unreal dust
why doesnt scryrs gaze highlight specials?
Probably so there isn't a coding issue when trying to decide between marking specials and Destiny's Gaze further in the tree.
fossil snow
mmmm
unreal dust
I don't consider SG's buffs worth it
And this is a valid consideration.
unreal dust
Not when you're giving up shield
Shield is awesome. Agreed. So I'm just curious how much performance SG actually provides at 30 stacks if it can be maintained for even a few seconds
long wharf
At 30 stacks, you don't have seconds of it
orchid nest
I don't use scrier's really but from my experience when I messed around with it, it was just easiest to stack it to maximum very quickly with assail and precognition and ride out the 10s after buff
unreal dust
I've had reasonable success keeping it going with a Deimos Exorcist so far... even without taking "Reality Anchor"
long wharf
I wouldn't consider using SG if you're also doing anything that generates peril
fossil snow
I like reality anchor
it feels really good
buuuuut
a charged illisi at head height just stacks so many weakspot kills
comfort for power, a psyker story
unreal dust
I wouldn't consider using SG if you're also doing anything that generates peril
I don't. Deimos, of the three force swords, requires the least peril generation for slaying (even crushers)
brazen warren
scriers is great for the speed boost to zoom around the map to save allies, grab stuff, catch up, or hit breakpoints for horde clear or crit boost for assail empathic dodges
otherwise the shield is far and away the best of the three ults imo
long wharf
Mk4 dueling sword takes even less peril
brazen warren
make room for the fight, stop shooters and specials, boom
unreal dust
(Also I don't remember Deimos decking Crushers flat on H2 like it is currently. They really buffed the stagger...)
Nor do I understand why the H2 sends the crusher flying to my right consistently...
That feels like such a strange oversight
I am now convinced its a bug
orchid nest
yeah the knockdown on the head poke is funny. pretty useful if you have purg, you can have uncanny on it so soulblaze actually does damage to them and cc them with the head pokes that will also do a lot of damage if they get close
unreal dust
yeah the knockdown on the head poke is funny. pretty useful if you have purg, yo...
I am familiar with that. Also that the Charge attack counts as 'multiple' hits for purposes of procs if I care enough to play with it. But anyways...
velvet spear
what sorta talent trees are people rocking during this smitesurgemas holiday
orchid nest
yeah, really useful with executor too. 4 stacks of uncanny and executor with a single head poke
unreal dust
Mk4 dueling sword takes even less peril
The problem with Dueling sword is: Can't take Exorcist, Can't quell with the weapon, Can't get 'Peril Resistance' as a base stat.
So, even without ever using a single psychic ability, Dueling sword generates more than the Deimos just by Deimos existing
I had initially considered Duelling sword, but not being able to quell was no bueno. Finding out Peril Resist synnergy was a bonus
analog agate
tried zealot. then i remember that i cant stand ogryns humping me and not being able to shoot through them. back to psyker
unreal dust
tried zealot. then i remember that i cant stand ogryns humping me and not being ...
You don't use hand cannon revolver?
lethal plover
yeah I always just use revolver as a zealot
analog agate
You don't use hand cannon revolver?
If they can shoot through frienldies that would be nice. I don't ahve one. I actually jurst spent 2.5 mill and couldnt get one
unreal dust
If they can shoot through frienldies that would be nice. I don't ahve one. I act...
... they do
brazen warren
shooting through ogryns with revolver is my main tactic for keeping them alive
lethal plover
then you should learn the way of the revolver. it oneshots many enemies.
unreal dust
I'm just salted because they removed melee kills proccing speedload (yes, yes. I know Surgical is probably better, but I liked lubing my gun with blood)
brazen warren
every special but mutants, ded in one shot. mutants in 2-3
lethal plover
the year is 40,0xx and we are still using good old revolver
unreal dust
The year is probably 41k+ and Browning still has the best HMG design.
brazen warren
the Votann have drum mag bolter rifles
fossil snow
anticipation dodge chaining is nutty
lethal plover
as fun as the core gameplay is I honestly want events, stories, etc.
unreal dust
as fun as the core gameplay is I honestly want events, stories, etc.
throws the Black Library at
lethal plover
which difficulty, what kind of shame
late hatch
as fun as the core gameplay is I honestly want events, stories, etc.
that would be poggers
frigid sparrow
Auric Damn, dude left after saying he just couldn't play cause of it. It was making his life boring
Even though, I wasn't even top DPS and was trying really hard lol
velvet spear
psyker finally get a public holiday and the shaming begins immediately
unreal dust
Auric Damn, dude left after saying he just couldn't play cause of it. It was mak...
This sounds like the Surge is over-performing?
lethal plover
the lady doth protest too much
lethal lagoon
Psyker has probably the strongest bug since the game came out. I also leave if someone is using surge, but they might not be using the bug for all I know.
lethal plover
they are referring to empowered bug
lethal lagoon
It's not hits hard, it's do more damage than your team combined
frigid sparrow
Idk man, I run that thing like 80-90% of the match and 400k dps is about the max I can get
fossil snow
no?
frigid sparrow
It's great for shooters and reaching out to the backline, but mixed hordes get nutty
lethal plover
that's when you smite
fossil snow
using a bug is just asking to feel shitty when they patch it
but even surge amped to shit and back, its only hitting the few at a time
frigid sparrow
It just tells me that the staff needs a buff over-all
fossil snow
how does it make you not be able to play?
lethal plover
not really, when new patch hits just jump onto the next cool thing
unreal dust
they are referring to empowered bug
That's smite. Also they patched it not to be bugged
lethal plover
That's smite. Also they patched it not to be bugged
that's last patch. this patch is EP surge
unreal dust
... or does Empowered work with--- oh lord
orchid nest
yes, it buffs the damage of surge by 125% without using any charges
frigid sparrow
I run extra chain and it's only 2-3 targets
orchid nest
and yes it does get the extra chain too
frigid sparrow
But you still gotta cast again to kill whatever else it hit
lethal lagoon
I used surge bug for two games, I'm sorry if you think it doesn't ruin the experience for everyone, then you are slacking hard.
fossil snow
and yes it does get the extra chain too
f u c k
frigid sparrow
Unless you get really meta and start aiming at full healthbars only
lethal plover
imagine wasting your time being toxic to people online because of how they play
fossil snow
right?
lethal lagoon
I don't think I'm being toxic? I was just explaining why people leave
unreal dust
yes, it buffs the damage of surge by 125% without using any charges
Oh my sweet christ
lethal lagoon
Play however you want
unreal dust
I'm testing it now
lethal lagoon
I don't mind
unreal dust
Good lord
lethal lagoon
I encourage people to use the bug so fatshark fixes it
frigid sparrow
I could see it being silly at lower difficulties, which everything is pretty silly at those difficulties
fossil snow
I leave when I saw two prepatched assails
its not how they play its that I want to play
lethal plover
for people who don't mind you seem to be unable to stay silent about it
orchid nest
the old one likely buffed it by 30% too just no one noticed. the extra chain and all that worked pre patch
lethal lagoon
"Auric Damn, dude left after saying he just couldn't play cause of it. It was making his life boring
Even though, I wasn't even top DPS and was trying really hard lol" I was just responding to why
That's literally it
unreal dust
Holy jesus. I'm one-shotting specials with it. Even without critting....
lethal lagoon
And then people argued it wasn't that OP
fossil snow
Holy jesus. I'm one-shotting specials with it. Even without critting....
hows it stack up to pinning fire auto pistol bug?
unreal dust
hows it stack up to pinning fire auto pistol bug?
I never once touched the autopistol because of that. So I don't know
orchid nest
you can 2 shot crushers with it with carapace or a crit. surge has damage variance naturally so it can be weird sometimes
lethal lagoon
the old one likely buffed it by 30% too just no one noticed. the extra chain and...
which means 30% isn't enough to buff the surge. I hope they buff it around 40-50% damage.
frigid sparrow
Bleh, run purge and teammates complain they can't see. Run surge, peeps will rage quit, run assail, peeps rage quit. Good thing BB is such a joy to use lol
fossil snow
can force swords get any of the dodge blessings or is that just dueling swords?
orchid nest
which means 30% isn't enough to buff the surge. I hope they buff it around 40-50...
yeah for sure
lethal plover
Bleh, run purge and teammates complain they can't see. Run surge, peeps will rag...
well, compared to the period after launch where people whined about BB being underpowered ad nauseam I guess it's a better kind of problem
lethal lagoon
I've never seen people complain about purge, it's lightened for everyone else.
wintry stratus
which is better?
lethal lagoon
I've seen a psyker using purge complain about purge being too bright, but not the teammates.
fossil snow
it used to be a more popular complaint
unreal dust
I've seen a psyker using purge complain about purge being too bright, but not th...
I just learn to ping while flaming. Solves the problem
lethal lagoon
which is better?
Left by far
wintry stratus
really? feels like the warp res is a little low
lethal lagoon
π€·ββοΈ Peril gen and quell is toughness. I guess if you don't use either of those two talents, it might be a problem.
People do largely consider quell spd the dump stat, so you can go with that if the warp res bothers you
But crit bonus and damage are the most important atm, not counting the bug.
unreal dust
People do largely consider quell spd the dump stat, so you can go with that if t...
Hmmm. With Quell spd, you can weave a quick quell between casts and still maintain full flurry stacks. So I've been prioritizing it more these days
worthy scaffold
what perk should i change?
lethal lagoon
I like quell spd, most people don't seem to.
orchid nest
charge rate on surge isn't too important these days either assuming it's a high rated one. the difference will be something like 30 ms or so
unreal dust
what perk should i change?
Swap Crit Damage for actual damage
worthy scaffold
thinking carapace armour \
lethal lagoon
crit damage is additive and only affects the difference between normal and crit damage, so it basically does nothing.
It's not, 8% the whole hit. It's 8% only the crit part.
worthy scaffold
brick weapon then lol, craft new one
tks
how'bout this staff, what bless should i put?
lethal lagoon
Barrage -> nexus. Infested to 5% crit chance is what I'd do.
worthy scaffold
the crit is no matter where i point when doing the 2nd skill right
orchid nest
I would also do that. even if you want something over the 5% crit chance later because of post buff breakpoint you definitely won't want the infested
worthy scaffold
or should i aim head while doing 2nd
strong gulch
Depending on your build, maniac may hit break points on dreg ragers and mutants.
lethal lagoon
I have no idea what you are saying. Do you mean weakpoint? Surge secondary doesn't have weakpoints.
strong gulch
or should i aim head while doing 2nd
It prioritized the torso. Onlt LMB really needs pinpoint aiming.
lethal lagoon
Surge secondary can't weakpoint. Crit is a seperate thing from weakpoints.
strong gulch
yup.
lethal lagoon
Surge works on everything now
strong gulch
Just in case there is any confusion, a break point is not weakspot damage.
worthy scaffold
the tier 4 is random right, as long as the weapon rating is 300+
grave tapir
I don't understand weapons yet. When you're looking for a good weapon stats are you relying on the random green/blues from the store, emperors gifts, or can you buy the gray ones blind and get good starter stats?? And then upgrade the gray?
strong gulch
Surge high priority targets. It's always been good for managing disablers.
worthy scaffold
the gray weapon have to be 165+ and above to be good, i think
grave tapir
Are Gray random stats
lethal lagoon
You can spam surge secondary and it'll one shot all the mob shooters π€·ββοΈ I love it for charging shooter packs. No charging needed, just hold right click and spam left, it'll be enough
350+ generally.
I go for 365 cause I have too much gold usually and an auto buy mod
strong gulch
I don't understand weapons yet. When you're looking for a good weapon stats are ...
All are possible.
The highest likelyhood of getting good base stats on a specific weapon is buying whites then upgrading them and hoping you get what you want.
grave tapir
Got it thanks
worthy scaffold
I go for 365 cause I have too much gold usually and an auto buy mod
tier 4 is randomize as long as its weapon rating 300+ right?
strong gulch
I go for 365 cause I have too much gold usually and an auto buy mod
Important since Brunt doesn't even show what you've bought most of the time. π
worthy scaffold
Got it thanks
find the mod on modnexus called buy-until- rating, its spam buy and sell the rating you like
lethal lagoon
tier 4 is randomize as long as its weapon rating 300+ right?
I think? Not much sense in upgrading a grey you might not use though unless you have like 100k plasteel or something.
worthy scaffold
i dont have the nexus bless yet
ripe yacht
Left or right?
worthy scaffold
so yeah only way to obtain it unless melk give me one
lethal lagoon
I would use left, but a lot of people seem to like uncanny strike.
Plus if you use flame push, I think uncanny strike hits it still?
Or periolous combust
magic vessel
I prefer Uncanny on weapons that are kinda built for monstrosities
don't know that I care about it on Illisi
ripe yacht
Currently using right, just rolled left.
magic vessel
I'm debating what to refine my (Unarmored) roll into on my surge
i already have carapace on it
Crit Maniac or Flak?
are you letting go?
when you release smite it staggers everything it's chained to
So now that you can't infinitely use it you kinda wanna pulse it
lethal lagoon
My EP smite stuns everything, takes a little longer to grab mutants. Instant for poxwalkers though
I didn't have issues stunning poxies with smite on warp charges too, Are you charging the right click all the way?
I don't even know if EP matters for stagger
I mean assail is generally better, but it can get boring
glossy bough
I use Assail, bubble shield, and warp charges as my go-to loadout
Illisi and surge staff
No cheese or particular jank in it, but it's got an answer for everything, and 6 warp charges makes the bubble's uptime really good
lethal lagoon
I wasn't even aware you could release the right click without a full charge lmao
Well that's an exaggeration, but yeah, try a full charge.
glossy bough
Agree, I also stick with cooldown aura
The bubble is a lifesaver
I can see the arguments for the double stun wall, but I really like the toughness Regen and the omnidirectional defense of the bubble
lethal lagoon
Smite + flaming vent is a fun one.
I don't really like bubble, cause it kind of encourages your team to camp a spot. Good for some events though.
analog agate
Anyone else get paired up with zealots and vets who just can't deal boss dmg? I somehow always end up being the one doing the most.... with my sword
I can't tell if I am just getting paired up with crappers, or if the meta for them has shifted
spice veldt
prob also players who aren't comfortable with bosses which is fine
it is nice to get the most boss damage on a duelling sword even when the plogryn wasn't even aggroed onto you most of the time
kind jay
maybe they're fighting the specials/horde that comes with the boss?
analog agate
Mostlpy sucks cause most wipes are from spawn when I am the last one alive and just can't clutch with horde and boss
kind jay
thats what i do. bosses are the least threat
spice veldt
i make the pro gamer strat of avoiding monster maelstrom completely
wheat quartz
siblings, is slaughterer/bloodthirsty on illisi worth it or is unstable power still the best
got one where I naturally rolled good perks so I can replace both blessings
velvet spear
thoughts siblings?
kind jay
go brick it and find out
velvet spear
nabbed a 20% against maniacs and a lvl 3 deflector, n2b thus far
edgy cedar
At the moment only real use of smite I can see is abusing empoweredwith surgel ol
yeah it can CC for awhile? But things being dead is generally better CC
edgy cedar
dont even need smite for the 2x damage bug
which requires you to take smite lol
lyric burrow
no you just need EP
im like 99% sure derpy tested it earlier today and you get the +125% damage from smites EP
not from actually running smite
yeah thats one of the purg issues
edgy cedar
im like 99% sure derpy tested it earlier today and you get the +125% damage from...
this seems correct
lethal lagoon
im like 99% sure derpy tested it earlier today and you get the +125% damage from...
Only for surge staff. Also that's a bug they'll hopefully hotfix.
lyric burrow
yeah its just surge
the primary fire is treated as the same thing as smite it seems
not really
its not great vs bosses
thats like the one thing psyker lacks
lethal lagoon
Psykers don't really have any real boss damage on t5. Vraks and Cutlass 4 is okay, but not great.
Nothing to compare with other classes really
spice veldt
give psykers a gym and a thunder hammer
lyric burrow
psyker with t hammer bolter plz
edgy cedar
give psykers a gym and a thunder hammer
ah yes, grey knight trainee mode
modest edge
What perks do i get for surge
lethal lagoon
crit damage as a perk does nothing.
kind jay
flak/maniac/cara
lethal lagoon
For that staff you want 5% crit instead of infested.
You can leave the 10% ranged damage(elite) for now
modest edge
i see
lethal lagoon
Ideally you want a surge with 80% crit bonus
modest edge
oh ok
lethal lagoon
The crit damage perk only applies to the difference between a normal hit and the crit damage, not the whole hit.
So it's ass lmao
edgy cedar
odd
modest edge
yikes
lethal lagoon
It's been this way since beta, probably never going to change
lyric burrow
yeah stuff like weakspot damage suffers the same issue