You talk about Void then you talk about Surge being gutted
#psyker-class
fringe sapphire
and Surge is busted rn
brittle ivy
to be fair surge was gutted last patch
still hearth
(Even without the bug its still better)
???
Are you confusing Surge for something else
It literally got so much more damage
brittle ivy
no, it just used to hit more enemies.
brittle ivy
I never had issue killing with it pre nerf
vestal fulcrum
Pre patch 13 Surge’s role was overtaken by Smite
still hearth
Thing did like 500 damage to two targets and 40 damage to 4 more targets or something
vestal fulcrum
where’s the justice in that?
whole oxide
if you think you were killing stuff with surge pre-13....... someone else was doing it for you
brittle ivy
You just didnt have the right blessings I guess.
spice veldt
staff blessings are one of the more depressing pools (besides vstrike)
vestal fulcrum
Maddonious, you are just malding at this point
brittle ivy
Give me your salt because I speak my truth
whole oxide
"voidstrike so weak, pre-13 surge was killing better" wauw
vestal fulcrum
Either way, old Surge was whack
languid osprey
what no sprint efficiency does to a mf
vestal fulcrum
New Surge is cool
fringe sapphire
Give me your salt because I speak my truth
you are speaking out of your ass
still hearth
Some people are high on copium idk
brittle ivy
you guys sound like you only played one meta style then.
vestal fulcrum
Lets talk about Assail being busted again
IDK how currently Assail fares, but I’d wager it’s still stupidly broken
brittle ivy
it was. Im not sure how assail feels with the 50 damage nerf.
vestal fulcrum
you guys sound like you only played one meta style then.
No. I just didn’t play Surge because it was garbage.
still hearth
I tried Surge several times
Not once did it feel good and not once did it perform
So I stopped running it
brittle ivy
No. I just didn’t play Surge because it was garbage.
so people admit they didn't know how to use it.
spice veldt
i took pre-patch 13 surge to melee maelstrom and was immediately depressed
languid osprey
gun psyker seems to be the way
still hearth
so people admit they didn't know how to use it.
Then inform us
What part of "spam staff at enemies"
Was a secret??
vestal fulcrum
so people admit they didn't know how to use it.
No, I just prefer to kill stuff instead of being apologetic for a bad playstyle
vestal fulcrum
If you want old Surge CC, just pick Smite
brittle ivy
you seem to know the secret but yet say it was trash? I'm confused.
vestal fulcrum
It’s better. Marginally.
still hearth
You're just having a worse Voidstrike/Purgatus/Trauma
Nice
Literally all other staves did what Surge could do but better. Except one thing
Stun muties
brittle ivy
We can agree trauma is junk tho right?
spice veldt
We can agree trauma is junk tho right?
no
whole oxide
it's like you're living in opposite-world
brittle ivy
I wouldn't call tossing around adds to the 4 corners of the room is op. I like to kill my targets.
languid osprey
trauma has been one of the most solid staffs since release
still hearth
I see we're doing the "say the opposite of what Psyker chat thinks" today
spice veldt
i like to meme on trauma's single-target damage, but it's not that terrible
still hearth
Like 800 damage to all armor types + soulblaze crits
whole oxide
next you'll be telling us that duelling-sword has terrible damage
soft hinge
Is it viable to make a soulblaze build?
brittle ivy
trauma has been one of the most solid staffs since release
Since release is in fact, false. You couldnt use it at launch due to the horrible peril cost.
spice veldt
Since release is in fact, false. You couldnt use it at launch due to the horribl...
yes you could
the insane peril cost was only on cast
you could still edge ~70% peril like you could today
languid osprey
Since release is in fact, false. You couldnt use it at launch due to the horribl...
i did in fact, not my favorite but usable
spice veldt
and trauma was the best generalist staff before patch 13
languid osprey
and trauma was the best generalist staff before patch 13
yes
still hearth
Before the Voidstrike happened
languid osprey
is like all staffs got their place
still hearth
No lmao
atomic blaze
is this a good revolver for pysker
soft hinge
Is soulblaze viable?
still hearth
Yes
fringe sapphire
Not to mention how insane Voidstrike is for clearing hordes
still hearth
Purgatus is good at what it does but both Voidstrike and Trauma can also horde clear and does way more single target damage to enemies Purgatus doesn't touch
brittle ivy
is like all staffs got their place
make trauma have a bigger circle and we'll say it will have a place then.
whole oxide
trauma is still the best carry for when you gotta carry, it just loses out on total scoreboard damage, and newbies can't handle the targeting, so people ignore it
brittle ivy
Not to mention how insane Voidstrike is for clearing hordes
yeah its great
still hearth
Trauma needs to lose the big stagger AoE
languid osprey
Two staves are still way better
they are but you can play the other two without issue im just saying that the shit/op argument is a bit off much more since last two patches
still hearth
Not get bigger
Ye for sure
All staves are good
But Voidstrike and Trauma are too good rn
languid osprey
make trauma size the same of the bubble so we can stay inside
spice veldt
trauma having a bigger circle would certainly upset the balance of melee maelstrom even more
still hearth
Trauma could bump up a bit in AoE and lose the massive circle
Same with Voidstrike
Take away the AoE stagger
spice veldt
I dislike explosion weapons in general and would like to see them absolutely nerfed
brittle ivy
Same with Voidstrike
they already reduced the aoe on void on the class update patch
still hearth
Warp Nexus + Surge
vestal fulcrum
It certainly is a viable one
vestal fulcrum
But Surge is just too good to pass up
spice veldt
they already reduced the aoe on void on the class update patch
that voidstrike AoE did basically nothing
still hearth
they already reduced the aoe on void on the class update patch
And the cleave
spice veldt
because the epicentre has a cleave limit
fringe sapphire
But Surge is just too good to pass up
For now
still hearth
Never did damage
Ever
Even if you hit only 1 target in the AoE
You had to hit enemies directly
vestal fulcrum
For now
As long as True Aim is in the game, it probably will keep that status
Or Surge is tied to crits
still hearth
Ehh
They need to make the Surge shot not a crit again
So its not literally 2x damage
fringe sapphire
As long as True Aim is in the game, it probably will keep that status
I'm still critting plenty and I don't even run that.. so 
still hearth
Voidstrike can have like 40% crit just from talents, blessings and such
That's still insane
vestal fulcrum
I'm still critting plenty and I don't even run that.. so <:it_shrugge:1014512063...
You’re missing out on a lot of extra Surge balls Tbh
whole oxide
void + surge + true aim is simply too strong of a combo, if they nerf the component parts down to make the combo reasonable, then each of the components will be super-bad
still hearth
They have to nerf Surge
fringe sapphire
Doubt [X] since I'm topping the board on crits as is
still hearth
And possibly Void base again
brittle ivy
what staff do you want to feel good at this point queen?
vale hatch
Deimos sword or Ilisi ?
vestal fulcrum
Deimos sword or Ilisi ?
Both can be good
languid osprey
they should nerf purg tbh make it so it light a bit the screen for night missions so out veteran can shoot better
still hearth
Feel good or do good?
vestal fulcrum
Deimos for single target, Illisi for swarm clear
still hearth
All of them feel good to me (except Trauma)
brittle ivy
they why want more nerfs?
still hearth
I think Purgatus needs to do more damage to a lot of enemies to stand with the current Void and Trauma
Because
Voidstrike and Trauma
Are too good
And make running the other options bad
karmic fractal
Smite with WC or EP?
still hearth
I don't want one option to be objectively stronger than others
fringe sapphire
Smite with WC or EP?
EP
brittle ivy
i've seen prugatus do just fine. It has a job and it does it.
still hearth
Yeah
languid osprey
I think Purgatus needs to do more damage to a lot of enemies to stand with the c...
or hard cc more at high fire stacks
still hearth
But
The other two
Do that job
Good enough
So the purgatus isn't necessary
Like the Purgatus has the best horde clear most of the time
vale hatch
I play assail with voidstrike so clearing horde is not a issue, so i think deimos better so i can do more damage to boss
still hearth
But Trauma can outdamage it in situations
And Voidstrike can kill 10+ targets per shot
vale hatch
just wanna know people take on this
still hearth
Deimos or Mk4 Dueling Sword
languid osprey
So the purgatus isn't necessary
purg can make the life of veteran harder trying to shoot through fire so your argument is incorrect
still hearth
Idgaf about Vets
languid osprey
Deimos or Mk4 Dueling Sword
mk4 for life
brittle ivy
I like my mkV force sword.
still hearth
vestal fulcrum
I play assail with voidstrike so clearing horde is not a issue, so i think deimo...
Voidstrike can also destroy bosses, frankly, but it’s not like Deimos is a bad pair for it, either
lost hill
just wanna know people take on this
If you're doing crit assail then taking the soulblaze stacks on crit perk on Deimos is good single target damage
still hearth
Voidstrike boss DPS is still worse than melees because of charge time I think
vale hatch
yes
still hearth
Not bad but melee does do more DPS
brittle ivy
Voidstrike can also destroy bosses, frankly, but it’s not like Deimos is a bad p...
I wouldn't say void can destory bosses. It can stun the heck out of them tho if you are a good aim on the head.
vestal fulcrum
Deimos WS special hits might do more
vale hatch
the charge time kinda meh
languid osprey
what about bug surge against bosses? it is good?
vale hatch
when the boss run me down
languid osprey
lmao
still hearth
Not super amazing but its fine
vestal fulcrum
I wouldn't say void can destory bosses. It can stun the heck out of them tho if ...
Well, staggering bosses is almost like destroying their threat potential, but fair is fair, I might run more tests with other staves to compare
languid osprey
i dont want to feel dirty playign a bug tho
still hearth
I feel like
That's the damage Surge should do
So I'll use it
And if they don't buff Surge
languid osprey
fair
brittle ivy
i dont want to feel dirty playign a bug tho
abusing bugs is for heretics. I wonder how all those infinite smite pskyers are coping.
still hearth
Surge:
Mid damage, CCs things, 2 targets kind of, 1s charge
Voidstrike:
Huge damage, CCs most things, cleaves, 1.5s charge
I wonder what's better
fringe sapphire
if the bug == less effective than a non-bug option then idk.. seems fair to me
still hearth
Maybe the one that does way more damage and also way more stuff
For slightly longer charge time??
languid osprey
abusing bugs is for heretics. I wonder how all those infinite smite pskyers are ...
malding over curio cooldown reduction so they can vent the peril cost (wan to try that tbh)
still hearth
Idk why the AoE staves do so much more than the single target one
Just buff Surge so it one-shots all enemies base???
Like Surge DPS and Voidstrike DPS is almost the same to single targets without Surge because of charge speed
Idk how that's possibl
When one is single target
And one is AoE
???
languid osprey
Surge:
Mid damage, CCs things, 2 targets kind of, 1s charge
Voidstrike:
Huge da...
hopefully the give us the option of dual wield so we can compete against other classes
whole oxide
I don't particularly want auto-target options to be as good as things which require aim
still hearth
Fuk that
Aiming is garbage
Especially
When your aim
Is a railgun
SO you can just shoot through enemies
And Surge also isn't auto target
brittle ivy
They reworked the surge from a "cc staff" to a "fast response staff". It's more of a focused staff now which is why I liked when it hit 6 or more targets.
still hearth
It goes for the first target in your reticule
Just use smite?
It's literally better old surge idk
whole oxide
It goes for the first target in your reticule
you "can" aim it, but you don't have to particularly try
brittle ivy
Old surge could kill as I said before. Smite can't really do that very well in a timely manner.
languid osprey
first world problems of void users shooting a demon host through the horde
brittle ivy
first world problems of void users shooting a demon host through the horde
the orb just kinda curved around the corner. I swear.
whole oxide
it killed mid-tier flak armoured stuff okay, but, you weren't killing mutants or reapers with it in any reasonable timeframe
still hearth
Just remove the cleave on Voidstrike and the huge stagger AoE on Trauma
ANd I'm okay with them doing the damage they do now
Then they actually reward good play
wispy iris
has what we want in the talent tree changed?
languid osprey
the orb just kinda curved around the corner. I swear.
i didnt expect to kill 3 crushers with that shot and hit the daemon host behind i swear
brittle ivy
smite isn't about damage tho so 0 is fine.
still hearth
And didn't fix the bugged CDR aura
wispy iris
And didn't fix the bugged CDR aura
its bugged?
languid osprey
shhhh
still hearth
It's literally the strongest aura by far
brittle ivy
I didnt know that. I liked my 10% special damage to team before they nerfed it yesterday. I might change my aura.
still hearth
With it a shout Vet just needs one specialist kill to keep their shout toughness up permanently
still hearth
I didnt know that. I liked my 10% special damage to team before they nerfed it y...
It was only elites
Still is
brittle ivy
either or. know what I mean
languid osprey
4% prob is where is at
still hearth
Just elite damage
And they nerfed it too
So
???
Meanwhile Veteran still has ammo aura which is literally a must pick or you're trolling
still hearth
No one knows
languid osprey
well atleast is in the middle so you should be able to pick it on all builds
still hearth
It's a mystery
Why Ogryn isn't nerfed
Hard
That class got buffed this patch???
Lmao
languid osprey
funny looking fella slapping the boss while zealot got the relic nerfed
valid talon
Bro what are you smoking, they were nerfed. And ogryn isn't overpowered to begin with?
valid talon
Main thing was bleed that hurt them
still hearth
Idk what game you're playing
brittle ivy
ogryn new shotgun buff busted the game further.
still hearth
Bleed is a shrug
clear heath
ogryn got a few small nerfs
vestal fulcrum
Bro what are you smoking, they were nerfed. And ogryn isn't overpowered to begin...
They very much are
whole oxide
ogryn face-tanking a spawn and melting it in seconds, definitely not overpowered
vestal fulcrum
The gunlugger and 66% premanent toughness DR
True that is
I played this shit
I felt unstoppable
quasi junco
F Ogyrns and their big asses. One reason I’ll never touch veteran again
still hearth
Gunlugger can also run 66% Toughness DR and just shoot forever and never take any damage
languid osprey
they have a very comprehensive guide that is busted af
summer prairie
is it an old bug that if you hold both lmb and rmb when charging bb, you use more peril than just rmb and then left clicking? Haven't paid attention
still hearth
is it an old bug that if you hold both lmb and rmb when charging bb, you use mor...
I vaguely remember this?
But idk
I never paid attention to that either
summer prairie
probably is old since I didn't notice any relevant changes
languid osprey
https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387
man i cant see shit MOVE
vestal fulcrum
Gunlugger can also run 66% Toughness DR and just shoot forever and never take an...
Well, certainly not forever, unless all ammo is funneled into them, they can burst entire corridors worth of enemies, bosses, what have you
They are the protagonist of this anime
quasi junco
But I can now play an Ironbreaker tho with Ogyrn
still hearth
Well, certainly not forever, unless all ammo is funneled into them, they can bur...
I mean if they actually pace their ammo for importan ttargets ye
clear heath
man i cant see shit MOVE
there's a mod for making the shield translucent, although it's a little buggy
vestal fulcrum
still hearth
Tank Ogryns taking like 1 toughness damage per gunner shot
That's definitely normal yeah
languid osprey
give ogryn a little step ladder on the back so we can shot better
still hearth
The only thing that even touched tank ogrny for me was fire
I could just
Face tank all bosses
Literally full toughness
vale hatch
i played with a psyker and he boosted all his curios with hp he has more health bar than the ogryn
he was just blowing himself up constantly
quasi junco
Played with a smite/purgatus Psyker earlier. Seems too limiting imo. No ranged
still hearth
I play that constantly
It's perfectly fine most of the time
Only super open areas are a bit annoying
But Purgatus suppresses all enemies in a huge AoE when you fire it
covert ermine
purgatus is your basic psyker
exotic bridge
I just got back to my psyker. Any build recommendations to get going? I want to run surge staff.
light quail
F Ogyrns and their big asses. One reason I’ll never touch veteran again
fair, that's more a failing of the ogryn though
I main him and positioning is damn important for ogryn, lest you soak up most of the team's ranged shots (unless they're running revolver or plasma/bolter)
sometimes its important for the big man to get his arse in front of you though, especially at chokepoints
best horde clear potential in the game by a long shot
still hearth
Ogryn?
still hearth
I just got back to my psyker. Any build recommendations to get going? I want to ...
EMpowered Psionic is bugged with Surge staff rn
So enjoy that
exotic bridge
So enjoy that
Umm, care to elaborate?
exotic bridge
Do i have to run smite?
still hearth
I don't think so
viscid matrix
Do i have to run smite?
no, but the smite +1 chain also effects surge staff
still hearth
I did think the +1 chain was useless
But it can kill poxwalkers so
That's alright
exotic bridge
Hmm, I will try out the infamous assail and swap to surge next run
still hearth
Or shooters I think
quasi junco
Assail seems to random for my tastes
exotic bridge
Same feeling after few minutes of running it 😄
dim parrot
my current build is assail, surg and duelling and its pretty nice so far ^^
only use assail in emergencies tho
quasi junco
my current build is assail, surg and duelling and its pretty nice so far ^^
I would feel naked against hordes imo
opal pebble
^
dim parrot
I would feel naked against hordes imo
I like being naked
dim parrot
devil sword?
still hearth
Devil Claw
dim parrot
is it better then duelling?
dim parrot
hhhhmmmm
quasi junco
For ragers it is not tho lol
still hearth
Yeah its one of the best horde clear rn
Oh it is great
Just parry them
And hit the head
quasi junco
Just parry them
Wouldn’t dueling sword work better for ragers?
still hearth
Before buffs you one-shot ragers with parry
I mean yeah
You don't have to wait for them to attack
But Devil Claws aren't bad vs ragers
zenith cosmos
Heard they ruined our class
dim parrot
Heard they ruined our class
did they?
zenith cosmos
Reduced damage and shit
dim parrot
played yesterday and everything felt fine
zenith cosmos
It’s just dumb let us have our fun
viscid matrix
Reduced damage and shit
kekw
still hearth
No
lyric burrow
Our class is still broken lol
still hearth
Assail needs to die
dim parrot
Assail needs to die
lmao
zenith cosmos
Why lol then I want some damage buffs for melee
lyric burrow
Both void and assail didn't get the gutting they needed
viscid matrix
Why lol then I want some damage buffs for melee
play a scriers gaze build then
still hearth
Why lol then I want some damage buffs for melee
Psyker Melees are already cracked
What are you on
lyric burrow
Shield spam did get nerfed
viscid matrix
Shield spam did get nerfed
no it got fixed there is a difference
lyric burrow
Yeah i guess i could say fixed
still hearth
Shield spam was also not really great
lyric burrow
Cdr is still good
dim parrot
did they fix smite?
whole oxide
you can still maintain shield near permanently with CDR traits
dim parrot
noice
lyric burrow
Smite still mid imo
dim parrot
damn
whole oxide
you just can't spam 10 of them at once
dim parrot
and bb?
still hearth
BB dead
lyric burrow
Bb very mid
still hearth
Same thing basically
dim parrot
But Empowered works on Surge staff so
but warp charges :(
dim parrot
Bb very mid
lmao then I will stay on assails side og
still hearth
Who keeps insisting its good
dim parrot
whaaaaat
still hearth
For Surge*
dim parrot
so I need 2 change my build? :c
still hearth
Empowered Psionics is dumb
lyric burrow
Assail still significantly better yeah
still hearth
At least its single target DPS is higher
Except when Surge procs
on Void
And one-shots
lyric burrow
Im still not entirely sure how void/assail got nerfed and playtested and they said yeah that seems reasonable
dim parrot
but not for melee?
still hearth
It's literally only the Surge staff that Empowered Psionics buffs like crazy
I mean I guess
It does buff melee too but idk
I rarely use my melee
lyric burrow
Ep will do better probs thats fine tho
dim parrot
yee dont wanna rely to much on surge tbh
still hearth
It's mostly an armor piercer
dim parrot
and I like melee
lyric burrow
You dont have to abuse the bug
still hearth
I wouldn't use Surge without the bug
lyric burrow
Just dont take ep
dim parrot
what bug?
dim parrot
Just dont take ep
gonna stay with my build I think
still hearth
Ye
I mean Surge is okay but I wouldn't run it without the EP bug
I just feel like it is so shit
dim parrot
I mean Surge is okay but I wouldn't run it without the EP bug
how would u run it?
viscid matrix
it does 1200 on crit
still hearth
When other staves aren't single target
dim parrot
or what would u do with my build?
lyric burrow
I think your build is fine for melee you have warp rider and most of the toughness stuff
Psyker base melee is already very good
dim parrot
generally I just wanna be able 2 survive on my own when things get tough
not rely on my team
still hearth
I think I'd run Surge like this
Idk I never really melee with Surge outside of horde clear
dim parrot
thats how I use it
still hearth
Yeah because
It didn't use to have
2.25x damage
So it sucked
Now it melts anything you point it at
dim parrot
lol
still hearth
That's why the EP is so silly
Like you can 2 shot crushers and bulwarks
3 shot reapers
2 shot muties
I think with crits you can 1-shot ragers too
dim parrot
sounds kinda boring tbh
still hearth
I mean it's just very strong
And not in the dumb way Voidstrike and Trauma is imo
Just a lot of damage
dim parrot
Just a lot of damage
still hearth
Voidstrike can do that already
And more
So its like
I mean if you don't want to do damage with Surge
Run something else tbh
The only reason to pick Surge for me is that it does damage now
dim parrot
gonna try it out, but will probably stay with my build or more (vanessas build lmao)
still hearth
I mean I still prefer to run Purgatus most of the time
But often times my team just has so much horde clear
So it isn't that great
coarse scroll
what do you guys think of this staff? is it very good? sucks that blessing im unable to change
still hearth
what do you guys think of this staff? is it very good? sucks that blessing im un...
Roll a new one
You want Surge and Warp Nexus for Voidstrike
dim parrot
everytime I tried 2 use it, my team already killed everything
still hearth
Or Warp Flurry and Transfer Peril
still hearth
everytime I tried 2 use it, my team already killed everything
Yeah I feel that too
coarse scroll
Roll a new one
@still hearth but very rare i got this staff that have perfect stats balance
dim parrot
Yeah I feel that too
hence why surg
still hearth
<@123830341696880641> but very rare i got this staff that have perfect stats ba...
Doesn't really matter. Sorry.
I mean its fine to use for now
But the blessings do so much for it
coarse scroll
yah very bad luck that blessing are locked
still hearth
Good luck rolling a new one with good perks and blessing, sibling.
May Hadron not curse your weapons
coarse scroll
for the voidstaff, the important stats is damage and charge rate correct?
still hearth
Damage, Charge are prio. Then Warp Resistance and Quell Speed.
Blast Radius is pure dump
0% would still make no impact at all
coarse scroll
ok noted
still hearth
lyric burrow
Not even sure the blast procs anymore with cleave increase lol
lyric burrow
Can't say for sure tho havent used it since the patch
Yeah it was always meh
Bad cleave limit too
dim parrot
looking back, surg does fine without ep🤔like most of the time I kill everything before my teammates can do anything lmao
dim parrot
still get most special kills xD
still hearth
Most of the time I zap one
THen my teammate kills it
THen I zap another
ANd it repeats
dim parrot
lol
still hearth
Ad nauseum
karmic fractal
oh btw did we ever get any more infos on the 2h force sword, or we still at the soon ™️ stage?
dim parrot
dont have that issue xD
still hearth
Always leaving them at like 40% HP
still hearth
Dude
My friends are
Bloodthirsty
They will take all kills
I need to kill faster
dim parrot
I play with randoms
dim parrot
often yee
still hearth
But then I'd rather do 2.25x damage all the time anyway
dim parrot
sadly enough
tranquil raft
Randos are useless
Can vouch
dim parrot
but
sometimes
u get the perfect team
and super good vibes
imo that just makes me better and better playing with randoms
because If I would play with perfect players, I couldn't learn
soft hinge
Is the deflect blessing on force swords any good?
still hearth
Marginally
Most of the time you're immune to shots anyway
If you're playing properly
zenith cosmos
Like you can 2 shot crushers and bulwarks
Who’s two shorting a bulwarks lol I can’t even kill them 😂
soft hinge
You say playing properly
But I'm an absolute dumbass
viscid matrix
Who’s two shorting a bulwarks lol I can’t even kill them 😂
use surge, trauma or void staff
dim parrot
Who’s two shorting a bulwarks lol I can’t even kill them 😂
with ep and surg
still hearth
Who’s two shorting a bulwarks lol I can’t even kill them 😂
Bugged Surge or Voidstrike
I think Voidstrike can one-shot them if you get crits with the surge blessing.
soft hinge
Idk how to play properly 
fringe sapphire
does surge on voidstrike shoot 2x RMB? Thought it was LMB only
still hearth
Yes
fringe sapphire
damn yo
still hearth
It's only Trauma that it doesn't do the secondary twice
Since only Voidstrike and Trauma rolls it
sonic coral
Wats ep again
fringe sapphire
exotic bridge
ok, should i fully charge the surge staff or spam it?
willow hazel
I think I'd run Surge like this
It's worth spending 2 points for Creeping Flames
still hearth
It's worth spending 2 points for Creeping Flames
Ehhh
I thought about it
It probably is worth it
But I don't have as much soulblaze recycling
willow hazel
Full charge mostly. But you can half charge a lot of enemies and stillv one shot
still hearth
You basically can't half charge it with Warp Flurry
It goes to like 70%
Before you can even fire it
And the rest of the charge is like 0.2s or something away
So might as well
dim parrot
But I don't have as much soulblaze recycling
what do u mean by that?
isn't it useless without it?
or only good when combined with purg?
remote flower
the emprah gave me a good voidstrike staff
still hearth
I mean I just picked the shout to get peril quell for free
remote flower
still hearth
But yeah the shout isn't good without soulblaze
But I wanted those points in other places
remote flower
I'm sorry its not 80% charge rate
I'll take it, better than my last staff🥲
languid osprey
the emprah gave me a good voidstrike staff
mid staff without sprint efficiency
remote flower
mid staff without sprint efficiency
languid osprey
proper agate
what are the best perks for voidstrike?
carmine agate
gritty tree
what do I put as second perk?
hollow jolt
I usually go for Flak
But idk if you plan to pick up that "2 shots on crit" blessing
Where crit would be better
zenith cosmos
Bugged Surge or Voidstrike
ah ya i use a void and it doesnt do crap to them
gritty tree
But idk if you plan to pick up that "2 shots on crit" blessing
I don't, no. Flak it is then
still hearth
Idk what you're doing wrong then
languid osprey
what do I put as second perk?
is not worth the investment tbh give it to me and i can recycle it for you
unique mist
But idk if you plan to pick up that "2 shots on crit" blessing
Doesn't come on surge staff
languid osprey
flak or carapace
zenith cosmos
something i like this melee build i made its okay
unique mist
what do I put as second perk?
carapace imo
hollow jolt
Doesn't come on surge staff
I'm stupid lol
unique mist
Its only on trauma and voidstrike and its not even good on trauma
hollow jolt
Played too much Ogryn 😔
near bluff
never send someone a msg like that again thanks
novel talon
Poor old Brain Burst, they just don't know what to do with you anymore
olive ember
Take shriek with AB and you have horde clear
quasi junco
Poor old Brain Burst, they just don't know what to do with you anymore
Brain Rupture with EP is great lol
left mirage
Take shriek with AB and you have horde clear
what's a good melee for horde clear
novel talon
ehhhhh
left mirage
im already using shriek + ab
olive ember
what's a good melee for horde clear
Claw illisi chainsword
left mirage
which claw
olive ember
BM caxe too
left mirage
both?
olive ember
Claw 1 or claw 4
left mirage
alright ty
gentle hinge
dense zinc
never send someone a msg like that again thanks
Oh shoot I missed the fireworks
Who did the dumb and why
eats rashuns excitedly
slate oasis
just someone being a cringy creep
dim parrot
is it normal for ep to dissappear when using my blitz?
dim parrot
oooh ok
idle bay
just someone being a cringy creep
I always thought they never leave dreaded General chat or vet chat
dim parrot
That's how it works
ok I found out, surg witg ep is really strong xD
dim parrot
but, it can be very strong with warp charges too
still hearth
And it's like 0 investment
dim parrot
u kill things in 2 hits with ep and warps with 3
dim parrot
but only if u have high warps
dim parrot
damn
still hearth
With EP it was usually 2
dim parrot
but gonna try it in a run now :D
still hearth
One-shot dogs. One-shot flamers. One-shot gunners.
dim parrot
also it jumps more with ep? like from target to target?
still hearth
Nope
dim parrot
hm
still hearth
The +50% speed only works for Smite
Surge is hard capped at 2 targets (or 3 with Smite node)
humble bolt
thats a bug
dim parrot
I wonder what the ep thing will do to bosses
plucky flax
dim parrot
is low finesse shit on duelling?
runic hornet
vestal fulcrum
is low finesse shit on duelling?
You typically do not want to have low finesse, yes
dim parrot
alrighty
lyric burrow
Now thats a lotta damage
inland turret
never send someone a msg like that again thanks
I wanna know the drama
still hearth
Someone just asked me two really weird questions.
As in creepy weird.
They were told to stop it the first time and then did it again
humble bolt
empowered surge staff is worse than assail change my mind
humble bolt
sonic coral
I use assail without EP
lyric burrow
how to get warp battery?
Bottom of warp charge branch
sonic coral
assail is mainly to clear out a little bit of trash and up my peril quickly since I have no warp weapons
if I'm not using scrier
get a few warp kills in with them for toughness boosts
lyric burrow
cuz i been at it for almost a day
Wym like
inland turret
As in creepy weird.
😮
lyric burrow
You run out of points
sonic coral
sort of ends up fitting into a ground between vet and zealot, with the benefit of being an elite murdering monstrosity
still hearth
You run out of points
The penance I think
sonic coral
great mobility
lyric burrow
Oh im dumb
sonic coral
solid boss damage with laspistol with burn stacks
slow granite
The penance I think
yes
sonic coral
or stabbing if ogryn
still hearth
Idk if its working rn
lyric burrow
I got it prepatch
plucky flax
Now thats a lotta damage
Yeah in 27 mins that's not bad.
lyric burrow
Yeah in 27 mins that's not bad.
Was this blazing trauma
plucky flax
Was this blazing trauma
Smite surge abuser melee only maelstrom Xd
Tbh when it was a bunch of crushers trauma would have been better.
lyric burrow
Ah ok that makes sense
olive ember
Tbh when it was a bunch of crushers trauma would have been better.
He admits
still hearth
I mean I think its fun to spin around and one-shot stuff.
lyric burrow
Not for psyker really
lyric burrow
Metas the same with the exception of surge bug
olive ember
So did anything get balanced (read: nerfed) in the last patch
BR
lyric burrow
Buffed but health increases invalidated it
olive ember
the 3 shot scab rager disagrees
jaunty gust
I kinda like smite for the sheev memes but I'm guessing Assail and BR still fuck
lyric burrow
Br blows
obtuse walrus
Blows heads off
lyric burrow
Compared to assail
bleak tulip
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> the 3 shot scab rager disagrees
oh we abck to this huh
dim parrot
just use surg lmao
bleak tulip
the more things change the more they stay the same
dim parrot
until they fix it
lyric burrow
Smite is also still mid imo
obtuse walrus
Either way, I use Voidstrike for most situations, then BR when there's a particularly tough nut
keen slate
What's wrong with warp charges? Why they suddenly just deplete
olive ember
Idk wtf they plan on balancing BB cuz empowered psionics exist now
bleak tulip
welcome to the third(?) "BB bad" era
obtuse walrus
or Monstrosity
dim parrot
Either way, I use Voidstrike for most situations, then BR when there's a particu...
so u like charging all the time huh?
lyric burrow
Yeah bb is in a really weird spot now
Idk how they make it good without it just one shotting everything
bleak tulip
let me dig out the old "how to make BB not suck" book here
make charge time correspond with enemy health
oh there we go
hollow jolt
Idk how they make it good without it just one shotting everything
Honestly they should for a bit just because it'd be funny
lyric burrow
let me dig out the old "how to make BB not suck" book here
>make charge time co...
This too
thin finch
What's wrong with warp charges? Why they suddenly just deplete
Cuz you use your ability
obtuse walrus
Like again, I'm only whipping out BR when I want to say 'fuck you in particular' to a specific enemy. Otherwise, I'm using my Voidstrike staff
bleak tulip
wanna zap a small fry (which you really never wanna do now ever under any circumstance)? 0.3 second zap or something
hollow jolt
let me dig out the old "how to make BB not suck" book here
>make charge time co...
I really want to see the charge time vs a beast of nurgle if this happens UwU
bleak tulip
crusher? idk like 4 seconds or something but at least he dead I guess?
obtuse walrus
Usually that means Snipers, Crushers, Maulers, Hounds and Poxbursters
bleak tulip
instead of having to go 4 fuckin times
thin finch
Idk how they make it good without it just one shotting everything
One shotting specific target that are annoying
I don't care about OS a crusher but the hound and trapper are another business
bleak tulip
and then a guy with the funny revolver kills him in half the time anyway
dim parrot
yep
lyric burrow
Or plasma or vraks mk 7 or void or surge or
dim parrot
all the blitzes are in a weird place rn
bleak tulip
shit, you could even make BB require LoS to make it less "low skill" because lets be real headshotting a crusher 2 times with a revolver isnt exactly gonna get you into frag montages
do anything
but no
a year later
BB still stinky
it was mid at times
bleak tulip
but never better than mid
lyric burrow
Not that the other blitzes are high skill
jaunty gust
I just play smite because I find it funny
thin finch
Another day of people forgeting that BR has:
Infinite ammo
Infinite range
Locked on a target
Ability to dispatch wall of gun without staying in their LOS.
Thanks god the limited ammo weaponry is better at killing stuff
dim parrot
bruh the day they will nerv assail into the ground, but leave the other blitzes as they are, imma go back to cyberpunk ngl
bleak tulip
Not that the other blitzes are high skill
no but thats the only explanation I have for why balance wise BB is so bad and theyre refusing to make it better
summer prairie
it's still better than most grenades
bleak tulip
I guess?
dim parrot
I just play smite because I find it funny
this is the way
lyric burrow
Eh the grenades are p good imo
jaunty gust
Spark 'ands
lyric burrow
Tbf people should be meleeing dogs anyway
bleak tulip
I use brain burst so people don't waste ammo on the funny fast dog
thats the thing tho, dog always took two BB's for the longest time, and I wouldnt be surprised if thats still true now
jsut melee it
obtuse walrus
I one shot them
bleak tulip
its weak to melee for a reason
obtuse walrus
lyric burrow
Yeah one shotting a dog with melee is p easy
bleak tulip
I would hope at least psionics BB can one shot them, because if it didnt that'd be comical
obtuse walrus
It's also funny, if the enemy is visible for half a second - bam. They're caught in my brain blast
thin finch
thats the thing tho, dog always took two BB's for the longest time, and I wouldn...
BR ep Os them for sure
bleak tulip
fuck if I know I aint touching BB anymore I played like 7 months of BB
fuck that shit
regal musk
shit, you could even make BB require LoS to make it less "low skill" because let...
All i want for BB...
Is make it so it does damage per second to the target while locked and charging until the target dies.
That way one usage of BB on a target to completion will kill.
It can be killed at any point during the BB channel and not be wasted peril because it dealt damage and thus weakened the target for whoever shot it, and finally, the only thing that changes peril wise would be Low health mobs costing less peril, while a Crusher would cost you more peril to kill ...
bleak tulip
I would rather have nothing
lyric burrow
I Essentially do have nothing i just use staff and melee lol
bleak tulip
give me a 15% damage buff over a blitz ability, shit I would take 5%
dim parrot
I Essentially do have nothing i just use staff and melee lol
I feel ya
back in my round I had smite equipped but never used it once
only melee and surge
uneven compass
Been using surge and smite the whole time with like a 70/30 split mostly using surge staff. Would love to use BB but it feels rough to use
bleak tulip
I dont really wanna have to apm my ass out and quickswitch to make assail not feel insanely boring so I'd honestly rather have more damage instead
thin finch
All i want for BB...
Is make it so it does damage per second to the target while...
I would be fine with splitting the damage between the charge and the end .
No way I'm living in a world where you don't have the "CRUNCH"
regal musk
I would be fine with splitting the damage between the charge and the end .
No wa...
SUre. No reason it cant just be like a damage split between over time and final pop
bleak tulip
I should get a macro that turns assail into into a press once shoot two shards type thing
thin finch
But not feeling like you wasted 4 second trying to kill a guy only for someone to do it in 1 sec by accident is a faire complain that BB has from the begining
vapid wagon
does every one have this sound glitch with the surge staff or is it just me. iirc it was introduced very early after launch
dim parrot
for bb - kinectic resonance or flayer?
bleak tulip
res
flayer shit
giga bad now
wanna overkill the fuck out of a poxwalker for absolutely nothing in return?
take flayer
uneven compass
does every one have this sound glitch with the surge staff or is it just me. iir...
Ya the one that sounds like your game is crashing? Shit sounds so weird
vapid wagon
yea that one
they patched it in, in one of the first few big patched while trying to fix something else and just left it like that
still hearth
Flayer should either be like 5s CD
uneven compass
At this point I've sorta tuned it out since it occurs so often
bleak tulip
and it would be infinitely better
bleak tulip
yeah
vapid wagon
well i cant, its annoying af, and why i didnt use surge, and now well its still in after a year
still hearth
I mean make it
"If the target is within threshold of BB damage when you hit them you have a 10% chance to trigger BB"
There ya go
10% chance to proc indefinitely on hordes
Purgatus lets go
It wouldn't even make a big difference for the Purgatus on hordes but it would look funny
bleak tulip
every 15 seconds a poxwalker dies
still hearth
No CD
But yeah idk
Flayer needs a rework or to be scrapped entirely
I like the idea of BB proccing from other things
But I'd rather take like a 1% chance to proc at no CD than a 15s CD.
Then you can at least build around it with stuff like Purgatus or fast firing guns
still hearth
Like there's so many different ways you can do it and make it fun
But 10% chance (no control) and 15s (so long)
???
If it's 15s at least make it 100% so I can use it actively if I want to
Or make it like resonance that it's 10% chance only after using my ability
dim parrot
vanessa u think I can use your build and just switch smite to bb and make bb still useful?
bleak tulip
they just didnt adjust it in line with the changes to warp charge generation
still hearth
vanessa u think I can use your build and just switch smite to bb and make bb sti...
No
But I think BB is just terrible
vestal fulcrum
Or make it like resonance that it's 10% chance only after using my ability
So you would be able to proc it potentially multiple times, with weapons that can attack fast/multiple targets, for X seconds?
still hearth
If you want to use BB with that build you could definitely
still hearth
So you would be able to proc it potentially multiple times, with weapons that ca...
Ye
dim parrot
alrighty then
still hearth
It would make Purgatus really good
vestal fulcrum
Tac Axe brain burst value 
still hearth
(For once)
whole oxide
nah, there's no way to make Flayer balanced
thin finch
But 10% chance (no control) and 15s (so long)
having control over it would make it too strong imo , but at the same time not having it is horrible
thin finch
"Mmh nice I can deal 1000 extra damage, annd wasted on a poxwalker, and again ,and again, wow turns out it mainly pop on the unwashed hordes"
still hearth
Yeah that's why the 10% chance and 15s makes no sense
vestal fulcrum
It made some sense in the previous talent tree
thin finch
Yeah that's why the 10% chance and 15s makes no sense
it mades ense with the old skill tree as a way to keep your warp stack going, but with the two separated it doesn't
still hearth
But now it doesn't do that
vestal fulcrum
Currently though it’s vastly outclassed by even minor nodes
dim parrot
ok the bb bug appears everytime ep is on
vestal fulcrum
I wouldn’t take the feat over +15 toughness for instance lol
still hearth
dim parrot
like it resest the charge
thin finch
I think it should proc the same way our garuanteed critical hit proc , every X weakspot shot triggers a brainburst
bleak tulip
like it resest the charge
which anything does anyway now
still hearth
Even if it procs all the time
That's less than 100 DPS increase
And you can't control what it hits
spare light
fuck if I know I aint touching BB anymore I played like 7 months of BB
Want to BB & chill?
vestal fulcrum
I think it should proc the same way our garuanteed critical hit proc , every X w...
This does not align with the tree’s design, though
bleak tulip
gaining charges has legit never been easier than now so even old flayer would be bad tbh
vestal fulcrum
Technically right side is concentrated on crits
regal musk
And you can't control what it hits
Curious how busted itd be if it was 15 seconds per target instead of a global once per 15 seconds
still hearth
It would be really strong on Purgatus
whole oxide
I think it should proc the same way our garuanteed critical hit proc , every X w...
yes, Void needs more buffs ^^
still hearth
Like
thin finch
This does not align with the tree’s design, though
true but making it on regular kill might be too string too ,maybe ?
still hearth
Stupid strong
It wouldn't be much of a difference on Voidstrike
Definitely on Trauma though
bleak tulip
it'd be strong on just about anything that hits more than 2 things (get fucked surge)
still hearth
And probably on Surge
spare light
How about making BB a toggle ability that allows you to BB each target, but you still have the peril cost
thin finch
it'd be strong on just about anything that hits more than 2 things (get fucked s...
Getting killed or gettin extra killed ?
still hearth
If it procs on soulblaze it would also be dumb
whole oxide
it'd be strong on just about anything that hits more than 2 things (get fucked s...
would it though? the things you NEED it to proc on are bosses/ogryns, and you're not usually hitting large numbers of those at once
vestal fulcrum
true but making it on regular kill might be too string too ,maybe ?
Well, I don’t know, it would depend on how many kills, but then the talent wouldn’t really have a predictable use case + Empowered Psionics already kind of does it
regal musk
Stupid strong
YEah but imagine the satisfying crunch of doing it into a horde of poxwalkers lol
still hearth
YEah but imagine the satisfying crunch of doing it into a horde of poxwalkers lo...
I want this so I'm all for it
vestal fulcrum
Flayer is kind of insalvageable in the current design
bleak tulip
would it though? the things you NEED it to proc on are bosses/ogryns, and you're...
I mean it would make void even easier, you just shoot 20% charges into mixed hordes and elites die even harder 
still hearth
Remove the CD and make it 2% chance