psyker-class

[sour bison]

its very bad

[digital narwhal]

Still needs more base damage, yeah

They should just... double the base damage

[native plover]

I dunno, i see lots of things stunlocked really quickly. That's what i want to see out of Smite

[plucky flax]

I can confirm assail is still good. Xd

[zinc phoenix]

Hope we get a necromancer analogue for psyker

[sour bison]

ye assail is very strong still

[zinc phoenix]

Summon up some crazy warp shit to kill things using high peril

[native plover]

If we get it, it's more likely to be from Veteran or a new class. Veteran summoning some regular guardsmen

Since that's make sense

[sour bison]

surge staff feels very good now btw

[digital narwhal]

Surge Staff gibbing uses the same purple gibbing as Smite

[glossy bough]

oh did surge get buffed?

[frank moat]

Techpriest calling in some skitarii or servitors

[digital narwhal]

Should be blue

[zinc phoenix]

Veteran summoning some skull bois to bonk stuff

[native plover]

Frankly i want a Skitarii hero. that'd be cool to me

[zinc phoenix]

You’re lookin low… 😎 on calcium

[sour bison]

and void is still broken af

trauma aoe is nerfed

wtf

damn its bad

mb they nerfed trauma instead of void

[summer prairie]

Some empowered BBs https://streamable.com/873hw1

[fringe sapphire]

is +125% not more than double? huh

[hollow jolt]

I wish we could summon gunners to infinite stagger people

Damnation spawns = 15 gunners + 1 shooter

Maybe 2 shooters as a treat

[sour bison]

still bad

LB is useless

[digital narwhal]

Base damage

As in

what it does by itself.

[onyx imp]

is surge staff buffed?

[quiet galleon]

i expected our saved builds would be gone again but they're still here so that's nice

[digital narwhal]

Not really, no

[orchid shadow]

Oooh, update time

[orchid nest]

this uncanny deimos sends crushers on their ass with the heavy stab now

guess i'll try a regular one

[summer prairie]

DS left clicks now have enough cleave to trigger rampage with left clicks, as expected

[orchid nest]

yeah a regular one does too

[frank moat]

Holy shit you’re right

I only noticed that against Ragers

[summer prairie]

DS II heavies still look bad

[royal granite]

you know i really can't stand the deimos myself, something about the moveset just feels really unsatisfying even if i know it's good

[quiet galleon]

warp charges still dont do anything for scrier's gaze

[summer prairie]

I don't remember the patch notes, weren't they supposed to make the heavies kind of the same, DSV and DSII still have bad heavies

[frank moat]

That was my take on the DS4 tbh

I know the heavies are amazing but the light animation makes me gag

[toxic forge]

so did they simply not fix the warp charge bug

[royal granite]

which bug

[quiet galleon]

shield + warp charge is fixed

but scrier's gives me same cooldown as before patch regardless of the amount of charges

[royal granite]

but yeah this update has been stuck in xbox certs for like two weeks or something

there's probably more changes in the pipe

[slow raven]

ayy the left click on staves is actually usable without a quell cancel macro now

based on how they described it, i thought they were nerfing the left click. but it's a decent buff

[frank moat]

Oh snap my Deimos one-taps Muties now

[digital narwhal]

Smite just crashed my game because it spread so fast.

[frank moat]

The stab heavy headshot knocking anything and everything on its ass feels bizarre

Wonder if it’s intended

[summer prairie]

quell cancel macro lmb seems even faster

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

you will be missed

[orchid nest]

surge shouldn't be changed right? I don't remember 2 shotting crushers before with this thing (with carapace perk). I wasn't using it a lot though

[primal aurora]

How do you use Gaze? I wonder why there was no tweaks to it in this patch.

[unique mist]

Ok the Surge Stuff is much bettef than I gave it credit for

[orchid shadow]

Holy, you're right.. it feels at least 50% faster on quell cancel.

[unique mist]

Gaze isnt really meant to be used with warp abilities

its great for melee or gun psyker builds

especially if you take the "weakspots count as 1s spent in gaze" node wifh a gun psyker build

[vale pewter]

ah, patch 14 is live, rip infinite smite

[orchid shadow]

It's almost machine gun like now when you get into the quell rhythm.

[vale pewter]

yeah, i know its still easily spammable, but the hold a button, stand afk play style was pretty rtelaxed for doing malice/heresy with ur brain off

[primal aurora]

Is it great? Also how exactly 1s perk works? I thought that part is a downside, making peril generation to speed up.

[near wyvern]

holy shit yeah quell cancel is a machine gun now

[unique mist]

can you check what change they made to the nodes under abilities

[near wyvern]

LMAO surge LMB does now the same DPS as RMB if you quell cancel it

[summer prairie]

assail finesse multiplier was also nerfed a bit but not sure if I notice much difference

[unique mist]

Did they just flatten the nodes or did they make it so you can no longer go "up" to DD's node chain from, say, venting shriek

[royal granite]

theorycrafting only takes you so far, bring it into a game and see how it treats you

[gritty ice]

How exactly the left click macro would be? LMB + <how much time?> + Quell?

[near wyvern]

I dunno cause I don't macro it anymore

I suggest you to learn by muscle memory so you can be more flexible

[orchid shadow]

You don't need a macro for it. Just an exta button on your mouse to just go back and forth on as fast as you can.

[frank moat]

Lmao killing a groaner with a staff bash absolutely fucked up the textures

[viscid matrix]

macros are for lazy people 😄

[frank moat]

Whole head turns blood red

[orchid nest]

idk surge staff feels like it does more damage to me but it's hard to tell. I also don't remember 2 shotting a mutant with 1 crit. looks like it would be reliable 2 shot with warp charges. anyone use surge a lot before?

[viscid matrix]

it was roughly 2 shot before, havent tried it after patch

[orchid nest]

alright maybe it's the same then

[unique mist]

anyone know?

[near wyvern]

vraks 3 headhunter is a laser beam now if you crouch

point and click adventure

[orchid nest]

they are just flat now

[summer prairie]

they also nerfed voidstrike on_kill suppression, probably not something anyone will notice

[unique mist]

thx

[viscid matrix]

wait so they fixed it and went too far?

[unique mist]

I will notice

[near wyvern]

blessed be the devs

[near wyvern]

yup

there is like very very very minor recoil if you crouch

[orchid shadow]

Seems normal to me to me. 2 shot still, even without a crit.

[unique mist]

I just started trying builds other than voidstrike surge/assail

purgatus/soulblaze/brain burst and surge staff/smite

[near wyvern]

vraks 3 headhunter crouched recoil, this DPS is without any talents and with Deadly Accurate & Headhunter blessings:

https://streamable.com/wfz30j

[unique mist]

man Surge staff is significantly better than I gave it credit for

[viscid matrix]

thats absurd, guess Gunker is the new meta 😄

[cobalt atlas]

Could I ask whether Purgatus Actually Crit?

[near wyvern]

Deadly Accurate + Between the Eyes with True Aim is gonna be nuts on vraks 3 still

[viscid matrix]

it can, crit applies 2 stacks of soulblaze

[cobalt atlas]

There is a limit to how much Soul Blaze that a mob can have right

[unique mist]

Max stacks is 31

[viscid matrix]

31
but the staff itself is limited to 16 stacks

[finite grove]

Assail/smite psyker dead onge

[unique mist]

but purgatus burn stat determines how many stacks it will apply up to

[unique mist]

well, 15

[cobalt atlas]

Does it matter to put Warp Nexus IV (Crits Chances) on the staff or just let it be

[unique mist]

80% max stat

[viscid matrix]

Warp Nexus is BIS on any staff you want to crit with

[cobalt atlas]

BIS ?

[viscid matrix]

best in slot

[unique mist]

unfortunately purgatus staff doesn't really have an interesting blessing combo

[near wyvern]

ok they nerfed varks 3 monstrosity damage by a ton

[frank moat]

It’s not like Purgatus has any other blessings to pick from, there’s like 5 and most of those are meme picks

[unique mist]

its just warp nexus+warp flurry, same as surge staff

But surge staff is a bit more fun

[cobalt atlas]

Thanks guys

[unique mist]

Also realising surge staff can stop a mutant in its tracks was a big find for me

[cobalt atlas]

Really helpful considering a lot of guide online are not up to date

[indigo thunder]

Staff changes are lovely

Primary attacks on non purgatus staffsa are now much more spammy. Careful not to blow up yourselves

[unique mist]

@plucky flax used the surge/smite build you used in the related video you posted a couple hours ago here and I'm having a lot of fun with it

[summer prairie]

haven't used deimos in a while, h2 stagger feels a bit high https://streamable.com/o3r482

[viscid matrix]

😄 been saying its a good staff for weeks 😄

[plucky flax]

Yeah the build doesn't really change with patch so it should still be very good.

[near wyvern]

vraks 3 deals now around 2k ideal DPS to Best of Nurgle, Laspistol with infernus & dumdum is now 2.3k ideal DPS

[terse saffron]

they nerfed headhunter? what?

[plucky flax]

Actually surge gib that's op.

[idle bay]

RIP my favorite gun

[unique mist]

best of nurgle lol

[near wyvern]

they halved vraks 3 unyielding DPS but made it a laser beam if you crouch

[unique mist]

how is BB feeling after the buffs

2 shots crushers?

[viscid matrix]

guess it might be worth going unyeilding damage now, to get that back up to a decent spot

[orchid nest]

seems like smites extra target thing is fixed for surge staff but I can't tell for the damage buff because surges damage variance is annoying

[terse saffron]

so it now has only FLAK NEAR as positive damage mod??? they better give it a rending blessing cuz this shit now is straight up aint good

[orchid nest]

wait scratch that. extra jump still works, just didn't when I used the middle one as the target

[unique mist]

Yeah I tried out my first auric maelstrom and had a lot of fun, think I was the most effective even though we failed especially because it was ventilation purge and the surge staff auto targeting really came in clutch

[strong gulch]

OMG y'all are. LMB quell cancel is so fast 😂 wtf

[cobalt atlas]

Also Brain Burst - Kinetic Resonance are bugged? or working as intended

[unique mist]

how so

[vagrant frigate]

is handcannon fixed

[cobalt atlas]

It wrote +75% faster but when I pop Telekine Shield and do the charge up
The charge up bar reach 100% then drop back to 60 - 75%

[viscid matrix]

it wasnt broken

[vagrant frigate]

it applied to your assail and melee

[viscid matrix]

yes, that is a thing that has been in the game since launch, its also in Vermintide 2

[vagrant frigate]

its just a thing then

i use it anyways becaues its strong with my build

[unique mist]

are you precharging (secondary fire) or not

[near wyvern]

nope, still applies to melee

[unique mist]

Precharging is funky with charge times

[cobalt atlas]

I used my ability and precharge (right click)

[near wyvern]

and assails

crit assails also have now a different visual effect

[unique mist]

Yeah precharging is funky on high health targets

the charge threshold kinda jumps

[viscid matrix]

how is the handcannon into secondary assail thrown at a crusher now?

[unique mist]

How is secondary fire feeling

[summer prairie]

they broke brainburst empowered precharging (right click). Now if you have a stack, you can't kill anything with the precharge

[vagrant frigate]

so did the patch break everything i assume

[near wyvern]

not tested in an actual match but you can one shot shotgunners on a crit shard

[lethal folio]

That was always broken.

[summer prairie]

oh

shows how much I used empowered

[lethal folio]

right click doesn't get chargeup boosts properly

[near wyvern]

so it might be worth it to keep an eye on your true aim procs and try to consume it with RMB

[lethal folio]

if you wait the time you would take normally though, you still get the damage.

[vagrant frigate]

wait they added backstab to the knife

thats cool

[cobalt atlas]

So the charge time of the brain burst are correlated with the target HP?

[lethal folio]

no

[bleak tulip]

I just woke up are the changes largely the same as the prelim notes?

[viscid matrix]

reckon we can 1 tap a crusher with true aim hand cannon buffed secondary assail?

[vagrant frigate]

yes

some things are interesting

like mk3 recoil

[unique mist]

only like 2-3 things were changed from provisional and nothing that mattered or for psyker

[thin finch]

I liked the old one 😦

[summer prairie]

BB movement reduction went from 0.4 to 0.6, not significant enough to feel particularly good

[cobalt atlas]

isn't the prelim- patch primarily impact asaii left click spam

[near wyvern]

with assail & true aim it seems the best strategy is to throw 4 shards in quick succession followed by RMB aim, this seems to very consistenly get you to true aim 5 stacks for the RMB without watching the counter

[digital narwhal]

First game with EP Smite

Still shit

Buff the base damage pls

[near wyvern]

just use the fire smite build, it's in the atheneum

[digital narwhal]

Yeah but I wanna use the newly buffed Dome

:(

(If you mean use Venting Shriek)

[olive ember]

so surge staff still "amazing"

[near wyvern]

based on some quick testing you can get close, possibly with EP and some buffs you can get it

but requires hand cannon revolver

or then uncanny strike swapping

[digital narwhal]

Tfw Surge Staff can one shot Flak Ragers but Brain Burst can't

[summer prairie]

damage aura still only does elite damage

[near wyvern]

lmao

[digital narwhal]

Also, who tf even uses Unlucky For Some?

[viscid matrix]

not suprising, FS forget that BR exists when doing balancing

[near wyvern]

fatshark kicking kinetic presence on the ground

[digital narwhal]

They should just rework Brain Rupture at this point.

Give it a level of "DPS", and so when charging on an enemy, it then pops once that "DPS" fills up to the level of their HP.

[viscid matrix]

what kind of abilities do psykers get in lore besides what we have seen in game?

[strong gulch]

Revolver is feeling more like a hand cannon than ever

[summer prairie]

dome health was lowered from 25 to 20 (?) but there's a longer invulnerability period after it takes damage

[near wyvern]

Brain rupture is counted as ranged damage, it's buffed by the +5% ranged damage

so there is at least that

[unique mist]

Patch notes say its health was buffed from 15 to 20

[bleak tulip]

"void nerf"

[summer prairie]

regular shield was buffed from 15 to 20, dome was 25 before

[near wyvern]

why am I looking at a wall of text

[digital narwhal]

He asked what abilities Psykers get in lore.

So I showed 'em.

[viscid matrix]

hmm, what if they make Brain Rupture into Crush instead? channel for say 5 seconds and does 1k per second?

[digital narwhal]

Neat idea tbh

Squishing someone telekinetically would be fun

[viscid matrix]

brain rupture is the same thing, except targeting the brain and crushing it

[spare light]

RIP Force Sword infinite dodge clutches

[olive ember]

look its a nerf

kekw

[steel flame]

hehe time to melt fools even harder with laspistol

what were they thinking XP

[onyx sentinel]

brain burst still can't oneshot ragers at 6 stacks 🙄

[spare light]

Surge got no buff in the end?

[orchid shadow]

Oh man, I didn't even notice that in the patch. No wonder the last game felt wierd.

[summer prairie]

empowered one-shots dreg ragers

[near wyvern]

just the general lmb buff

which is a machine gun now

if you quell cancel it

[steel flame]

huh, well maybe try empowered psionics? warp charges isnt a massive power boost.....

[vestal cargo]

Saw someone said that the trauma aoe was nerfed. Is this true?

[summer prairie]

can probably one-shot dreg ragers with just warp charges too

[spare light]

Hows everyone's initial impression on the patch?

[near wyvern]

Deimos can one shot mutants without any other buffs than +25 maniac

lmao

[steel flame]

love to see it

[strong gulch]

yeee

[onyx sentinel]

if I want to run emp psionics I'd rather bring the other blitz

[steel flame]

i mean you complained about not oneshotting

and im giving you an answer 😛

[whole oxide]

? BB is the only blitz you really need EP for

[viscid matrix]

i dont see any changes to Trauma in the patch notes

[viscid matrix]

if you are running an assail build, you run EP

[indigo thunder]

As a surge staff user, I am happy.

Main fire is much more spammy, can chain in faster. Although need to be a tad more careful with peril.

And the death vfx on secondary attack is neat. In line with smite

[plucky flax]

Trauma aoe feels the same to me.

[spare light]

Happy to hear that, I do like Surge

[plucky flax]

Someone was tripping.

[orchid nest]

yeah feels the same to me too

[summer prairie]

didn't see any stealth staff changes when I briefly checked the code

[near wyvern]

correction

[hollow jolt]

It doesn't look like purg staff changed mucj

[whole oxide]

if you're ONLY using assail, sure, but you can take assail without EP just fine

[near wyvern]

you need + speical and + maniac

on Deimos

to one shot

[hollow jolt]

Was there anything I missed about purg staff?

[steel flame]

boooo

[near wyvern]

but might be possible with just +25 maniac if you get 80 80 80 damage finesse and first target

I just don't have that sword so can't confirm

[strong gulch]

2 shotting crushers with revolver

[summer prairie]

mine one-shots with just +25 maniac and 80 all

[near wyvern]

there we go

so it's possible

[spare light]

is the hand cannon bug still there?

[near wyvern]

yes

[orchid nest]

I have a 79 damage, 71 finesse, 75 first target that one shots them with the heavy stab and maniac

[near wyvern]

there we go

[spare light]

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

[near wyvern]

so don't even need a perfect roll for it

[spare light]

Zealots must be having a laugh

[near wyvern]

jsut decently high trinit

y

[viscid matrix]

doesnt look like anything changed for Purga

[steel flame]

you can bonk harder

hurray

[orchid nest]

oh that is with warp rider though with no peril so the base bonus, I just realized you probably aren't counting that @near wyvern

[viscid matrix]

it probably will never go away, its been a year now, multiple patches and its unchanged

[hollow jolt]

Ah ok, thanks for confirming

[summer prairie]

staff bonk still doesn't have meaningful stagger

[near wyvern]

yeah I am testing with no talents

[whole oxide]

its so bizarre that they even spent any time on staff special, and having spent that time still nobody will use it

like, either rework it, or don't waste time

[near wyvern]

but with warp rider you can easily get a one shot deimos for mutants

[orchid nest]

let me take it off and I'll tell you how close it is

[near wyvern]

mine are off like 200 hp

[indigo thunder]

What blessings and traits are bis on surge?

[spare light]

What was the point of changing staff bonk lol?

[near wyvern]

that don't have +special when I have no talents

[steel flame]

wierd thought, never occured to me

[near wyvern]

but even then why would you not run warp rider xD

[orchid nest]

79 damage off without warp rider

[spare light]

Nexus/Flurry are the only good ones

[steel flame]

does transfer peril work on staff bonk headshots?

[shadow quail]

Surge feels really good now

[orchid nest]

so this is the no warp rider. so yeah probably 1 shot with a perfect or near perfect one without it

[near wyvern]

you only need to hit 3650 ish without warp rider and you get the one shot with it

[viscid matrix]

the only changes to surge was the gibbing on kill, and the special bonk

[indigo thunder]

Good to know I have at least one of the two.
And what about the perks? I think unarmored is a good one. My staff always leaves dreg gunners at 1% hp with 6 warp stacks after fully charged secondary

[shadow quail]

Maybe I was just sleeping on surge then because void was so good

[strong gulch]

I though the MK 2 and Mk 5 dueling swords were getting buffed. Did they not??

[spare light]

this is the one I use

[indigo thunder]

It doesn't need more. Surge is perfection

[viscid matrix]

pretty much, its been good since the rework, but Void was overtuned(still is)

[steel flame]

hell yea, perfect laspistol damage jumped from 103 to 123, fuck yea

[spare light]

What does gibbing even mean?

[whole oxide]

they were in the preview notes, but, not by much

[near wyvern]

based on my quick testing dum dum infernus laspistol has the potential to be our best vs monstrosity damage

[viscid matrix]

exploding into chunks

[steel flame]

it was already close before

[indigo thunder]

The explosion. Smite blitz already had it, they added it to surge

[spare light]

Ahh

[near wyvern]

not even, vraks 3 did 3.5k+ DPS with counting reloads last patch

laspistol does now aroudn 2.3K DPS

[strong gulch]

thanks.

[near wyvern]

with counting reloads

[steel flame]

it had the damage output

[elder pike]

Is the cool down reduction from warp charges working on scriers gaze yet?

[steel flame]

it just needed the fire rate increase

[near wyvern]

lmao you can weave in duelling sword special attacks between your heavies without lowering your dps

[steel flame]

wow

[near wyvern]

assuming you fully charge

if you quick charge then you still get faster dps by just heavy heavy

[steel flame]

rip ragers

[clear heath]

So, it seems like there's less crits on recon vet now.
Did they patch out crit chains?

[near wyvern]

so yeah you basically loose very minimal DPS if you weave in specials between your heavies on DS4

[steel flame]

holy shit

new las fire rate is insane

they really went nuts with it

[still hearth]

RIP ammo

[gusty furnace]

recon lasgun?

[steel flame]

laspistol

[gusty furnace]

You should see Graia Brauto on Zealot with Fury of the Faithful though

2000 dps on maulers

[shadow quail]

Is it any good on bosses? (surge)

[gusty furnace]

Surge staff

Or surge blessing?

Surge Staff is fucking terrible on bosses.

Surge blessing is only relevant on Voidstrike, and Voidstrike is still the best boss tool psyker has

[steel flame]

laspistol is close, can get about 1800 dps

[lament topaz]

Emp smite get fixed or no?

[near wyvern]

Get bullied son
https://streamable.com/i5ucxz

[viscid matrix]

eh its not terrible, its not great either, its consistant damage
it cant weakspot hit

[near wyvern]

that's without any talents tho

you could just one shot it with Deimos as well

[spare light]

so void crit with surge can still one shot crushers

[steel flame]

actually started hitting 2300 dps on maulers with 5 stacks of dum dum

[viscid matrix]

with damage buffs active, probably

[gusty furnace]

yeah but I don't have to give myself carpal tunnel with graia brauto

or use an outside tool to prevent carpal tunnel

[near wyvern]

yeah you can keep up 2.3kdps on nurgle under ideal conditions

possibly more

[spare light]

does hand cannon still make assail damage go bonkers?

[gusty furnace]

the graia brauto buff is definitely somethin else though

basically invalidates shredder autopistol as a weapon

Psyker excluded

[spare light]

also I just did it at 0 peril with 3 EP stacks so

[gusty furnace]

because psyker no can into brauto

[viscid matrix]

yes, and now you can pull off a secondary for double the base damage of before

[viscid matrix]

not suprised

[steel flame]

id still rather have the quick swap, rather than the clunky weapon swap animation

[steel flame]

if i use scryer im hitting 3000 dps on maulers

[fringe sapphire]

What is the interaction with revolver? Could someone explain?

[steel flame]

hand cannon just stays active

[summer prairie]

speedload laspistol is pretty sweet

[steel flame]

so it gives 50% rending to all the things

wasnt a big deal before cause rending sucked

[patent steeple]

btw, is voidstrike still decent, or has it been overnerfed?

[steel flame]

but now rending doesnt suck anymore

[viscid matrix]

its a thing with all weapon blessings, they dont stop when you swap to a different weapon, so other things can take advantage of them, like assail getting rend from Hand Cannon or Uncanny Strike

[primal aurora]

I have only this

[steel flame]

gimme gimme

[summer prairie]

I rolled this just for testing, haven't changed anything

[fringe sapphire]

I see.. tyty

[steel flame]

stick 5% crit chance over crit damage and then mail it to me

[steel flame]

goddam RIP reapers, scryer is dealing 4k+ dps to them

[strong gulch]

Assail crits have a different color striation now.

[steel flame]

whats the color?

[viscid matrix]

the shards have a crit animation instead of it looking the same

[frozen osprey]

it's so joever bros...

i cant be the fastest on the team anymore ):

[viscid matrix]

can you record the crit animation for assail and post it for us

😄

[left mirage]

so emp smite dead now yes

[strong gulch]

purple

[viscid matrix]

yes, smite is still a great cc tool tho

[left mirage]

rip, back to funny rocks i go

[plucky flax]

Sadly no. Mk5 heavy received no justice.

[strong gulch]

rude

[orchid nest]

empowered smite is alright. kills horde guys ok, does like 75% of a shotgunners health for one channel. the base skill still needs some damage increase though. you practically need to be specced into the peril reduction nodes/venting shriek though

[still hearth]

To no one's surprise 0 x 2.25 is still 0

[elder pike]

Smite is not meant to kill

[still hearth]

Smite is meant to give you peril so you can shout fire

It's true

[orchid nest]

I think its pretty fair to talk about the killing power of the skill when specifically referencing the keystone that increases its damage as its main function

[still hearth]

I think its pretty fair to talk about how shit just CCing things is in a tide game

When the game continues to spawn more stuff

[plucky flax]

I was smiting last round and a crusher overhead me.

[shadow quail]

Does lightningstrike effect surge?

[elder pike]

that keystone buffs all 3 blitz, it's not a targetted talent

[plucky flax]

Me smite broken didn't cc crusher.

[still hearth]

Yeah but the one for smite is nothing

[orchid nest]

yeah but we are talking about smite, and you can only have 1 blitz at a time....

[late yew]

What you people think of smite now?

I like how they handled the bug

but not sure if it makes it good?

[still hearth]

It's still bad

But it has its uses

But if you want to use it often

Don't

[late yew]

Try to stop me 👁️

[still hearth]

Well I mean I hope people kick you after the 2 hour long run

Smite is a great safety net

[idle bay]

Are mods break the game again?
Mine crushing on entry to Morningstar after i patched mods thingy

[elder pike]

Prob needs some more tuning to be in line with the 2 other blitz. Mostly it's not that it's bad, more that it's annoying to play around

[still hearth]

Give it

3x damage

But make it cost more peril

Then we're talking

[elder pike]

the other blitz need a reason to exist

[still hearth]

And fix the LMB to do anything

I mean it has short range

No targetting prio

[wet belfry]

I do wish they buffed scriers gaze abit

[still hearth]

Still won't do much single target damage

You're still killing slower than most weapons

[wet belfry]

Do we know if disrupt destiny is actually working in a non bugged state?

[elder pike]

damage matters little when they're just jiggling around

[still hearth]

Wrong

The game is on a timer

Kill faster

[elder pike]

rush and die

🙂

[still hearth]

Rush and kill stuff

If you take your time the game gets harder

Not easier

[elder pike]

rush and you make mistakes, game is about being efficient

[still hearth]

So

[elder pike]

not just fast

[still hearth]

Yes sure

But standing with Smite out

Isn't efficient

It's awful

[hollow jolt]

Brb 157 minute game UwU

[still hearth]

You're doing like 5% normal DPS

[worn cypress]

lol you can get happily locked in the first area in aurics bc shits keep spawning

[still hearth]

To hold some dudes

[elder pike]

not taking any damage while every enemy in 20m is not doing any attacks is pretty efficient

[worn cypress]

kill and move on

[elder pike]

its just not fast

[still hearth]

How are you taking damage

???

[hollow jolt]

Because the Vet can't do his job and kill snipers

[elder pike]

shotgunners, trappers, poxbursters, they all just stop whatever they're doing when hit by smite

immediately

[still hearth]

Like the only reason to use it is for 3+ crushers or bulkwarks clumping stuff around

[elder pike]

they stop becoming problems

[still hearth]

Poxbursters lol

Shotgunners just die

Trappers also

[plucky flax]

Assail not most killed weapon is fake news.

[still hearth]

[viscid matrix]

1.4million deaths to 100% peril boom kekw

[hollow jolt]

Ikr

[hollow jolt]

The fucking 78 death game got me :p

[still hearth]

Use Smite 10% of the time and you're fine

Use Smite all the time and its just making the game less fun and letting more shit spawn

[late yew]

How so?

[viscid matrix]

must be 4 psykers and chain dying to peril boom at the end

[worn cypress]

peril boom as damage mechanism

[hollow jolt]

:p the most stressful end section in Atoma

[orchid nest]

yeah it's like some guy farming the penances or something lmao

[still hearth]

Zap shotgunners with smite, roll up and one-shot them with your melee

Don't just stand and hold it in their face while crying

[carmine agate]

Oh is the patch out?

[still hearth]

Ye

[viscid matrix]

pennance that requires it, how many of those deaths are attempting that challenge 😄

[carmine agate]

Hows it

Any fun parts of the patch,

[radiant lance]

Is anyone running Brain Burst? Is there any real reason to?

[hollow jolt]

No

[carmine agate]

Anyone tested that EP smite yet? 👀

[worn cypress]

I run BB with purg still

[viscid matrix]

only if you dont want to use assail or smite

[plucky flax]

Lost infinite dodges is not so fun.

[carmine agate]

Rip

Good bye crab walking

[elder pike]

I think I'm just experiencing bad players using it poorly. But my own experience is that it's boring, doesn't feel powerful, but can be incredibly invaluable in bad situations

[radiant lance]

I mean does anyone find it comparably strong

[still hearth]

It's still not worth it

[spare light]

I do, I like it, it's good to clear out elites that are far away or trappers that try to LOS you, same with hounds, good vs snipers too.

[carmine agate]

Sad

[still hearth]

Run Warp Charges instead

So your primary is useful

[carmine agate]

So its warp charges vent and smite combo then

[viscid matrix]

its really not, assail is better for damage and singleling a target out to kill, smite is better for cc

[still hearth]

Ye

It's still the same as before pretty much

The damage increase is basically moot

[carmine agate]

Oh hows assail?

[still hearth]

Still broken

[viscid matrix]

it got buffed

[still hearth]

Yeah lmao

[spare light]

Smite base damage should've gotten buffed

[still hearth]

Basically the same but better

[carmine agate]

I wont know since i didnt use assail much prepatch

Ou

[radiant lance]

Still really strong

[worn cypress]

assail can be a bit annoying trying to target things behind a cover

[viscid matrix]

it did, still low damage, it can kill trash in full channel tho

[still hearth]

The left click needs to actually do damage to begin with.

[hollow jolt]

At least aimed assail will let me kill bombers and stuff

[worn cypress]

but other than that its better at things than BB

[still hearth]

Only the empowered got buffed??

[spare light]

Yeah, a full channel , which is horrible

[worn cypress]

I just dont like playing assail ngl

[plucky flax]

Vet power swords got buff so vet players won't come here to cry about assail as much.

[viscid matrix]

secondary can do it, as long as you can see a pixel you can target somthing behind cover

[plucky flax]

You are safe to run it.

[elder pike]

smite would be sick if you could 1 hand it while using a melee weapon

[carmine agate]

Oh power swords

[worn cypress]

I didnt say you cant do it, just a bit annoying

[elder pike]

but that would never happen teehee

[still hearth]

Smite should be like Zealot knives

[hollow jolt]

The Vets crying was hilarious

[still hearth]

You just instant zap and swap back

[carmine agate]

Smite would be sick if i can splash water on them so they take more dmge

[still hearth]

If we want CC

At least make the CC

Not take up your action

[wet belfry]

Vets immeaditely cried as patch was releassed

[still hearth]

???

[wet belfry]

So…

[still hearth]

It's not hard???

[plucky flax]

They were upset they weren't op for 3 weeks after 1 year of power sword autopistol bolter spamming.

[still hearth]

Veterans are the worst.

[carmine agate]

Hows the force sword dmge thou? Im still making an illisi

[hollow jolt]

Indeed lol

[olive ember]

smite is decent if you have teammates who kill shit for you so everyone can keep moving forward

[viscid matrix]

?? there has to be a downside to locking down a bunch of enemies

[carmine agate]

Or shld i just stick w my stabby mk4

[still hearth]

The downside is that you don't lock down a bunch of enemies just one.

Except

You know

Trauma exists

Which does the same but better

[plucky flax]

Illisi light spam feels better against very soft targets (poxwalkers, groaners.) Against high mass bruisers if feels the same.

[still hearth]

+????

[carmine agate]

Yes i do get trauma frm my team..

[plucky flax]

Mix it special actions.

[carmine agate]

Oh trauma staff yep that too

[hollow jolt]

It appears Deimos is comfy

[carmine agate]

[hollow jolt]

Needs some help to 1 shot

But its getting there

[viscid matrix]

are you doing smite wrong? the smite secondary locks down everything in front of you for as long as you channel

[carmine agate]

Nice

[still hearth]

I'm saying change it so it's not a dumb mass CC tool if that's the issue (which it isn't because Psyker has three AoE CC Staves anyway)

Which all do a bunch of damage

[blissful dirge]

So I think its a dud due to its dump stat being blast radius BUT the blessings are nice. What're my perk priorities?

[spare light]

I think what she means is that Smite needs a different identity that's not already taken by a weapon

[still hearth]

Smite just needs a full rework yes

[olive ember]

look its surge staff but better which is amazing kekw

just buff surge staff

[blissful dirge]

Its been an age since I used a Trauma but I heard it got buffed so Im still wanting to test this one.

[still hearth]

One that isn't stand there and channel no damage CC

[worn cypress]

I honestly liked the old surge staff better lol

[spare light]

It's handy to basically lock down a patrol for example

[worn cypress]

give me back that shit and smite can get a redesign

[spare light]

But I think nobody really has any issues with just a regular chaff horde

[blissful dirge]

You'd really think that wouldnt you

[still hearth]

I mean I use it but my issue is

People use it

All the time

And just stand there

Waiting for someone else to kill the stuff

[viscid matrix]

best thing for smite is to use it to give the squad breathing room when a tonne of enemies you dont want to be attacking while a monstrocity is attacking

[spare light]

Ah yes, like the inf smite bug users

[orchid nest]

well we should have less of that hopefully just with the EP bug being fixed. I mean it'll still happen but hopefully less..

[still hearth]

Ye

Like Smite is the second best option imo

[strong gulch]

With +5% ranged damage warp rider, I can 2 shot crushers and reapers with weakspot crits on revolver. It has carapace and hand cannon.

[spare light]

I liked locking stuff up, venting shriek them for burn & then melee them

[near wyvern]

Sry not anymore at computer

[viscid matrix]

all good

[still hearth]

I mean its good for this since it produces the most peril rn

[worn cypress]

rip rubbing one out

[blissful dirge]

Anyway my question I think got lost in the scrum. Perks for a Trauma staff. Carapace/Flak or?

[copper torrent]

Might have to redo breakpoint calculations to know what perks it needs

[blissful dirge]

eh I aint that fond of damnation gameplay anyway. Its too spammy.

I'll just go carapace/flak and be done. I can always modulate later

[viscid matrix]

the perk choice hasnt really changed much, maybe maniacs became more important than flak by a bit, but otherwise still preference between the 4 we used before

[copper torrent]

I was thinking the rager health buff

[plucky flax]

Imagine running this aura.

[viscid matrix]

ragers are maniac or flak for the armoured ragers

[blissful dirge]

I'd take that over a zealot running Loner lmao

[plucky flax]

I am running loner Xd

[blissful dirge]

then you cannot complain >_>

damage is damage (for bosses, everything else is breakpointed)

[olive ember]

loner dies of cringe

[spare light]

so what's the reason this got nerfed? :/

[olive ember]

no clue

basically just run CD or crit chance now lmao

[spare light]

yea idk

[olive ember]

unless you specifically want wildfire i guess

[viscid matrix]

at least its elite and specialists now, it was only elite before

[near wyvern]

It's not

It's till only elite

[viscid matrix]

kekw so it says specialists but doesnt actually do specialists

[near wyvern]

Yes

[viscid matrix]

i realyl shouldnt be suprised at this point

[spare light]

[near wyvern]

Where as the +5% ranged damage increases you brain rupture damage against all targets

[opal pebble]

Nice

[near wyvern]

Basically that +5% ranged damage modifier is more powerful than the fucking aura

Yeah sure it's only for yourself but +5% damage versus elites ain't gonna do much to your team

[spare light]

It's kinda funny out of everything in these patch notes, Assail came out on top

[muted galleon]

Is smite useless now?

Like completely

[near wyvern]

No

[spare light]

it's the same as before

[near wyvern]

Flame smite build still works

[muted galleon]

It's not infinite now though

[spare light]

Combined with shrieking

[spare light]

well seeing as that was a bug..

[muted galleon]

It being infinite was the only thing that made it any good lol

[spare light]

Ehhh

[near wyvern]

@muted galleon check out the flame smite build in Atheneum, that one still works

[spare light]

I didn't like it being infinite

[muted galleon]

Also with them increasing the dome barrier duration to 22 seconds, psykers basically can keep a barrier up at all times unless it gets shredded immediately by six gunners

[strong gulch]

Idk how I feel about deimos heavy 2 throwing things around. I feel rather torn.

[muted galleon]

Why would you use flame when voidstrike exists though

[regal musk]

5 gig patch? o.O

[spare light]

It's got a minimum duration of 6 seconds now though

[fringe sapphire]

So can you 100% a crit on Smite with Bloodthirsty?

[regal musk]

oh. We got patch 14 i guessx lol

[muted galleon]

It's still dwarfed by Assail

You have surge staff if you want cc as a psyker

[spare light]

Everything is dwarfed by Assail

[muted galleon]

I wish that wasn't the case lol

I wish psyker was more interesting

[spare light]

But what is Assail going to do when you run into a 8 stack crusher group?

[muted galleon]

Voidstrike.

[spare light]

I guess psyker might be more interesting if you just don't limit yourself to 'what's best'

[viscid matrix]

kill thme because the secondary can probably 2shot a crusher now

[muted galleon]

If you aren't using what's best then you get flamed in the in-game chat

[spare light]

[muted galleon]

Regardless of how good you are doing

[spare light]

I get flamed for using Assail so

[bright mica]

so they still haven't fixed warp siphon not working with gaze that's soooo cool

[muted galleon]

Only if you spam it tbh

[near wyvern]

Creeping Flames you silly

[muted galleon]

I use it pretty sparingly so I don't kill everything

[muted galleon]

What's that

[summer prairie]

over 1M damage with the new void, that was over 40minutes though

[muted galleon]

Send me the smite build

Or a demonstration vid

[viscid matrix]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

read the guide

[tall mango]

https://tenor.com/view/death-davy-jones-gif-21386337

[near wyvern]

Just... FFS...

[tall mango]

my days are numbered

[near wyvern]

Ceep calm, run the above and carry on

[fringe sapphire]

Voidstrike is cringe. Don't @ me

[spare light]

Wouldn't you rather go for CDR or crit chance aura instead now?

[near wyvern]

Yes, haven't updated the guide for patch 14 yet

But that's a simple swap

[spare light]

Will have to be CDR or you miss out on One with the Warp

[carmine agate]

how are the auras doing?

[viscid matrix]

go cdr or crit, the other is shite

[carmine agate]

aight thanks

[strong gulch]

Just figured out why illis was feeling weak. I was using meme fire sword.

[plucky flax]

Zealot loner martyrdom build is still good.

Very cool.

[onyx sentinel]

wtf staff primaries go brrt now

[carmine agate]

?

o.o staff primary?

[strong gulch]

Yes. With quell canceling it's faster than ever.

[late yew]

regarding Smite...

[carmine agate]

ooo did they make primary shoot faster?

[late yew]

It is not bad at all

[quiet galleon]

yeah staff primary attack feels great

[late yew]

Most enemies killed

with smite

[onyx sentinel]

it feels faster without cancelling but idk if that’s right

[strong gulch]

I might need to sleep. I cannot figure out what weapon I'm holding.

Is it a meme illisi, a properly built illisi, OR and imposter.

The answer is imposter.

This also one shots mutants.

[radiant lance]

What perks do I change here? I quite like the blessings thematically.

[viscid matrix]

precog to uncanny strike, and unarmoured to flak/maniac/carapace

[carmine agate]

hmmm

weird

why does my surge staff do more dmge if i have EP up?

[north cradle]

I see Patch 14 is live?

[viscid matrix]

kekw did FS fuck up and keep surge staff as smite in the coding?

[strong gulch]

It's not. Quell canceling makes regular staff LMB shoot really fast. Now with this patch's upped speed, it's ridiculous.

[strong gulch]

Maybe there is a smite interaction??

[summer prairie]

yeah surge does +125% more dmg with empowered stacks, I guess

[strong gulch]

That's what I'm wondering

[viscid matrix]

i wouldnt be suprised if surge staff is smite in the coding

[carmine agate]

it doesnt cost EP stacks..

[obtuse walrus]

I just heard a my character say a voiceline I've never heard before...

And it was SUS

[carmine agate]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[gritty ice]

Besides the psyker force staves, does any other class have weapons that share type but not blessings?

[north cradle]

Dev Note: Vraks Mk VII has been changed to be more of a semi-automatic sniper, high damage and finesse but with slower fire rate. The firing sound has been changed to a more heavy version to reflect this change.

Now these are patch notes I like reading

[olive ember]

not to my knowledge

vraks 7 is premiere boss damage gun now iirc

for psyker

[gilded viper]

I wonder how it compares to the 3 now

[olive ember]

tho prob the best gun on vet as well

[gilded viper]

You mean Psyker can actually do boss damage now?

[olive ember]

I mean with a vraks 3 it always was decent ish

[gilded viper]

sure, but who plays gunker often?

[olive ember]

tho vraks 3 got nerfed and vraks 7 got buffed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse walrus]

It was something along the lines of "if (important person) invites you to see something under their desk. Do not accept it". The zealot replied "Ach, Denying your Duty is Denying your Holy Mission!" or something along those lines
Then the psyker replied "Well, I'd rather not find a piercing in mine again. Ach"

[olive ember]

I mean vraks 7 is still a gun psyker so

[obtuse walrus]

I was like

[gritty ice]

So now we will play mk 7 instead of 3?

On gun psyker?

[olive ember]

I haven't tested it myself but I believe thats what I've heard

[vagrant frigate]

mk7 1shots everything pretty much

i prefer revolver but my mk7 1shots everything if youre not adhd

opening salvo and headshoit = crit

[ebon jolt]

Perilous Combustion still worth using? I'm assuming so.

[frank moat]

What’s the preferred damage perk on a Nomanus Surge staff if I can only have one?

[vagrant frigate]

yep

[ebon jolt]

5% crit chance?

[still hearth]

Flak

Or Maniac

[frank moat]

Got crit locked in already

[summer prairie]

surge was probably already doing +30% with empowered stacks before the patch, now it's just +125%. Maybe explains why some people were saying it was super good

[north cradle]

Time to see if my Psyker loadouts broke

[olive ember]

i mean it went from broken as shit to broken as shit

so

[strong gulch]

With the new changes I have no idea.

Prepatch flak first and maniac second were to perks to get for surge staff.

[still hearth]

Look it's marginally less OP

[olive ember]

wat

flak on surge staff?

[vagrant frigate]

its still insane

[still hearth]

Ye

[olive ember]

I mean i guess for maulers

[still hearth]

Sacb ragers, gunners

[strong gulch]

idk now, especially since smite ep seems to be doing some hecking to surge

[north cradle]

OH NICE Fatshark decided to let us Shriekers keep Kinetic Deflection

Praise

[summer prairie]

my surge crits crushers for 2.5k

[still hearth]

Lmao

[summer prairie]

or 2.6k even

[carmine agate]

wow its actually a surge bug now

[strong gulch]

it hit a breakpoints on multiple targets, but idk about now

[olive ember]

do you have carapace in wat world does it crit for 2.6k

[carmine agate]

dealing 125% more dmge as surge staff

[strong gulch]

With smite ep surge, I foresee more psykers blowing up

[carmine agate]

yea im critting above 2ks..

[olive ember]

smite ep

oh right

[carmine agate]

now its surge EP

[olive ember]

smite and surge have an interaction

lmao

amazing

[carmine agate]

125% free dmge lmao

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/8gb3d0

[copper torrent]

No way. Ep surge?

[frank moat]

Wait wtf

[strong gulch]

the +1 spread on smite still working on surge too

[carmine agate]

yea

the EP stack works on surge staff but dont use a stack

[viscid matrix]

guess that 10% increased damage would apply to?

[copper torrent]

Haha omg yes

[carmine agate]

hmm the 10% not sure

need test more

[digital narwhal]

kekw

Surge finally good

[summer prairie]

probably not the 10%

[digital narwhal]

[carmine agate]

yeh

[olive ember]

my "double the damage of surge staff" buff came true guys

you are welcome

[digital narwhal]

I prefer Flak + Crit

[still hearth]

Surge finally OP?

[primal plume]

Am I insane or is EP buffing surge staff damage?

[icy shuttle]

is voidstrike still the meta with this current patch?

[carmine agate]

yeh it is

[digital narwhal]

You're not insane

[strong gulch]

It is

[still hearth]

I think that's literally what people were talking about yes

[carmine agate]

125% more

[copper torrent]

We literally talking about it now

[primal plume]

Lmao this fucking passive is constantly bugged

[carmine agate]

hahaha

[viscid matrix]

it hasnt changed, but people are testing it now and noticing numbers are not what they should be

[carmine agate]

oh hmm now mobs go splat if die to surge huh..

[verbal bear]

They probably used the same wording for the lightning

[still hearth]

Yeah but 30% isn't OP

[cobalt atlas]

Brain Burst and Brain Rupture both count toward the achievement right

[still hearth]

125% though

[olive ember]

Bro

suddenly surge is fun to play

wow

[summer prairie]

surge crits can probably one-shot bulwarks if you run +unyielding

[carmine agate]

its ok i'll take the 2 shots

[copper torrent]

starts checking breakpoints

[viscid matrix]

they do, it even says it casts smite in the inspect damage part, check the top above the damage numbers when looking at the attack breakdowns

[olive ember]

finally surge staff is amazing

its like

when you double the damage

it gets actually good

[still hearth]

Ye

Time to abuse it

[viscid matrix]

it was like this ever since the class rework, its just noone bothered to check numbers cause Void was just better

[icy shuttle]

soooo surge staff is the new meta?

[olive ember]

nah

[copper torrent]

Gonna miss ultra fast vent though 😦

[olive ember]

voidstrike still meta

[icy shuttle]

ahh ok

[still hearth]

Surge staff is just not the worst

[icy shuttle]

lmaoo

[viscid matrix]

it never has been

[digital narwhal]

Smite should still have higher base damage or lower Peril generation.

[carmine agate]

nah it wasnt b4 this patch..

i used surge staff alot b4 this patch

[olive ember]

Surge staff was imo but

alot of people rly liked it so

[carmine agate]

now i can 1 shot doggos

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy shuttle]

what is the dumpstat for void?

[lyric burrow]

surge was fine i think void was just dumb

[viscid matrix]

blast radius

[lyric burrow]

sounds like it is still dumb

[frank moat]

Okay yea just hit 2.4K on a Crusher with Surge

[still hearth]

Does it even use the Emp charge

[digital narwhal]

No

[still hearth]

Or is it just permanently 125%

Lmao

[copper torrent]

It does not

Lmao

[frank moat]

Omnissiah bless the motive force

[olive ember]

its just a permanent 125%

[carmine agate]

it uses 0 stacks

[gilded viper]

smite perks working with surge is funny

[icy shuttle]

thanks

[gilded viper]

I can 2 shot a crusher

[primal plume]

Psykers cant stop zapping to the extreme

[olive ember]

it quite literally is my "double the damage of surge" buff

you're welcome guys

my dream came true

[still hearth]

Yeah Surge is now good

Finally

[lyric burrow]

is assail still dumb as well or is it reasonable

[frank moat]

Please dream of free aquilas next

[carmine agate]

its pretty dumb still

better in some ways actually..

[viscid matrix]

it got buffed, so its stronger now

[verbal bear]

Surge does go brr now hooooly

[lyric burrow]

i was worried about that tbh

[ebon jolt]

So Surge OP, all with minimal point investment?

[verbal bear]

Doesnt even consume charge

[viscid matrix]

eh still requires investing in smite and empowered blitz's

[icy shuttle]

what talent makes surge op now ?

[carmine agate]

EP

[copper torrent]

Ep

[carmine agate]

125% dmge up if u gt any stacks up

no cost

as in no stack cost

not peril

[frank moat]

I’d already played a few games with Surge after the patch dropped and figured I might main it for a while since it felt good, and that was with Warp Siphon instead

[olive ember]

sadly I didn't get the deluxe edition so I don't get anything either so

eh

do you need smite? or is it just empowered

[summer prairie]

hello https://streamable.com/3q8w21

[icy shuttle]

wait so with ep you gain 125% and dont use any peril? is that a bug

[viscid matrix]

why is there a 2nd EP buff on your buff bar?

[carmine agate]

it uses peril

[olive ember]

yes

it uses peril now

[carmine agate]

but it doesnt use EP stacks

[olive ember]

but I'm not complaining at all

[still hearth]

For the Staff specifically right

[summer prairie]

probably from switching talents, not sure if it's double stacking damage there

[olive ember]

I'm assuming its been a bug this entire time

[ornate hamlet]

smite bug abusers in shambles rn

[icy shuttle]

wait wtf so you dont even use ep

[olive ember]

we just never noticed it

[still hearth]

????

[olive ember]

nope

[carmine agate]

smite bug abusers now are surge bug abusers..

[still hearth]

Wdym until voting is over???

[olive ember]

its a free double damage buff

[viscid matrix]

probbaly, i was using warp charges so didnt see this interaction

[icy shuttle]

so permanent 125

yikes

[shy fiber]

Omg force swords have better cleave

[olive ember]

its the vote bruh

[shy fiber]

Hallelujah

[olive ember]

finally

[icy shuttle]

time to use it lmaoo

[shy fiber]

Finally

[olive ember]

surge staff is actually good

[ornate hamlet]

what surge bug?

[icy shuttle]

definitely a bug about to try it ou t

[carmine agate]

surge gets the EP 125% dmge buff

without using EP stack

[shy fiber]

LMAO

[ornate hamlet]

EP?

[carmine agate]

if u have smite and EP

[still hearth]

Surge staff benefits from Empowered Psionics as it counts as Smite.
It doesn't use the EP stack either.

[shy fiber]

Empowered Psionics

[still hearth]

So it just gets

+125% damage

All the time

[shy fiber]

AKA get kill have chance to get empowered blitz

[icy shuttle]

good surge staff rioll

[viscid matrix]

extra bounce from smite upgrade too

[sour bison]

lmao

[icy shuttle]

?

[shy fiber]

That’s cracked wtf

[viscid matrix]

swap weak spot for crit chance, and terrifying barrage for warp nexus

[olive ember]

finally its good

holy fuck

[gilded viper]

EP works with Surge, hilarious

[carmine agate]

what are the bounce dmge reductions for surge staff anyways?

[ornate hamlet]

time to see nothing but surge staff users then, psykers love abusing bugs it seems

[carmine agate]

wads the 2nd target dmge?

[still hearth]

90% or something

It does way less

[viscid matrix]

25%

[carmine agate]

ooo

[still hearth]

So more bounces is garbo

[sour bison]

F

[carmine agate]

yeh

i guess its just a tiny cc

[icy shuttle]

thanks! should i try to role a better one?

[modern tusk]

GOD BLESS they got rid of smite's fps destroyer

[still hearth]

It might kill horde gooners now

[carmine agate]

yes im more happy

[still hearth]

With +125% damage

[carmine agate]

that purple smoke is gone

[viscid matrix]

25% of 2700 will kill most enemies that are not crushers or monstrocities

[modern tusk]

Well i think it did like base 100 damage?

[still hearth]

Yeah but crit damage doesn't usually cleave properly

Someone test it out then

[modern tusk]

so thats a whole 360% increase to it with 3 levles of empowered psionics

[still hearth]

It doesn't stack 3x

I believe

[carmine agate]

yeh

just once

125%

[small whale]

guys why does my assail feel weaker

[modern tusk]

sad

[shy fiber]

Because it is

[still hearth]

Because it does like 50 less damage

[jolly dove]

Doesn’t feel super powerful, thought it would be but kinda underwhelming

[icy shuttle]

thanks! should i try to role a better one?

[orchid shadow]

Wait, wat? Really?

[small whale]

why nerf it was balanced

[still hearth]

Yeah because its still a single target weapon

[viscid matrix]

use that one until you get a better one

[late yew]

is BB good again?

[olive ember]

its

eh

[late yew]

you are underwhelming

[shy fiber]

Has anyone tested out the cleave on force swords?

[late yew]

it is amazing

[olive ember]

I don't think any big breakpoints changed for BB right

[shy fiber]

I need to bust out my Deimos