psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

[cinder moon]

cleave

[spare light]

It's true

Yea ngl I thought it was trauma

[neat summit]

What gets me is the double triple combo of 2 trappers and 3 flamers. Whoever gets trapped is dead. No question.

Fight that on stairs where the trapper can net you from above and it’s game over

[spare light]

You know the assassinate mission? Where the snipers can be super high up while you're waiting for the elevator? That one is pain

[neat summit]

Oh yeah

[spare light]

Also, you run purg a lot right?

[neat summit]

Almost exclusively

[spare light]

On auric?

[neat summit]

Oh yeah

That wide open room with 12 gunners and 5 reapers? We running it down boys. Keep up or we all die

[spare light]

Hmm, I sometimes feel extremely useless there, but I guess it isn't a massive damage numbers staff

[cinder moon]

what blitz are you using

[neat summit]

I use BB almost exclusively still

[spare light]

BB

[cinder moon]

just focus on the gunners, you can one hit them at any number of stacks

[neat summit]

Pretty much

[spare light]

I meant during horde, I had a game with a gunlugger & assail psyker, I didn't do much, ngl

[cinder moon]

not worth going for ogryn enemies with bb anymore unless you just need to stun them/open them up/finish them off

a good assail psyker is annoying to have

"good"

dickheads just kill whatever i'm already trying to deal with

thanks, sibling

[neat summit]

Purg staff has proven invaluable in shock troop gauntlet to insta clear hordes so you can expose specials for blueberry teammates. Also super helpful to be able to pop gunners one by one at range and use that sick ol bubble shield

[cinder moon]

no venting shriek? bold

[neat summit]

None needed

[cinder moon]

although i do run focused channeling on my purg so i guess the stumble casts don't matter

[spare light]

He's right, I got venting shriek and I barely use it

[neat summit]

I do warp charges and the quell speed is ridiculous

[spare light]

BB without EP feels kinda bad though

[neat summit]

True

I am using warp charges currently because of the shield cd bug

[cinder moon]

warp charges 4 lyfe

tried ep bb and didn't really like it

[neat summit]

Once that’s fixed I’ll evaluate how the cd looks and either switch to the double stun shield and EP or stick with WC

Free BB is cool and all but on aurics your damage is mid and it takes so long

[spare light]

I still wonder if creeping flames is worth it with purg

[cinder moon]

full fire build is great

everything burns

[neat summit]

Purg staff suppression spam and free BB in specials while flaming is real clutch

[spare light]

Free BB?

[cinder moon]

the skill that pops heads on random attacks

[neat summit]

BB on attacks node

[spare light]

Oh yeah

[neat summit]

You can handle ranged specials but a firing line of dbags you gotta get up on them to torch them.

[cinder moon]

shield cast go brrr

[spare light]

that's what EP+BB is for

[neat summit]

Yah but I’m impatient

[spare light]

But maybe I should try shield instead

[cinder moon]

yeah i'm surprised i never thought of shield for purg

big brain on brad moment

i like having the ability to free teammates from dogs from 20m away through walls and floors though

[neat summit]

For purg you have to be good with cover but there’s plenty of situations that you can’t reliably use cover to move up to firing lines and maintain coherency.

Enter shields.

[spare light]

I remember you posting your build somewhere but I forgot

[cinder moon]

i just use a force sword with kinetic deflector

[neat summit]

I use that as well 🙂

I use Deimos with deflector

[spare light]

I still prefer illisi

but deimos is growing on me

[cinder moon]

with purg you're covered on horde clear

so deimos is good for single target

[neat summit]

Yah

[spare light]

Yeah it's more of a 'get the fuck away from me you peasants' kinda thing

[neat summit]

Deimos heavy attack thrust is almost on par on DS and you can get deflector.

[cinder moon]

also the special attack on deimos does the same thing as the chainsword specials, where you can driveby a mutie and the attack still procs even when they're out of range

[neat summit]

Totally

[spare light]

Do you run 6 warp charges talent?

[neat summit]

I do

[cinder moon]

yes

6wc with fire was always my dream before the skill patch

[spare light]

Hmm, it's either that or kinetic deflector

[cinder moon]

you could give up 2 points somewhere else

[spare light]

what I was thinking of running

[cinder moon]

i'd drop the peril damage boost

[spare light]

Warp Rider?

[cinder moon]

yeah

[spare light]

It's really good though

10% at 0 peril

[cinder moon]

oh, get rid of the one BB skill

the one that makes it faster after using F

[spare light]

I was hoping to keep that, so I could bubble/BB gunners

[neat summit]

I use that one currently only because of the charge shield glitch

I’m removing it once that’s patched

[cinder moon]

if you don't care about abusing the glitch it's not worth having

[neat summit]

Totally

Only if you’re doing EP and double shields imo

[spare light]

Kinetic Resonance?

faster BB after F

[ivory sail]

gotta love this game...

[brave fiber]

i mean thats not at all bad

[neat summit]

Purg with warp nexus and warp flurry is what I’m using. There are no hordes that can’t be handled.

[cinder moon]

i'd swap blazing spirit for flurry or surge, then one of the perks for crit chance

[brave fiber]

switch out ranged damage to carapace and blazing to whatever you desire

and that is a god staff

[cinder moon]

my voidstrike, and it was like the 3rd i ever crafted

[ivory sail]

wont nexus get nerfed tho?

[spare light]

meh, BB without EP doesn't one shot ragers on damnation

[brave fiber]

s p i c y

[kind jay]

???

[neat summit]

That’s nbd really

Everyone will be shooting them anyways

[cinder moon]

rounding bugs

[kind jay]

fatshark things

got it

[spare light]

True, I guess the main targets are gunners,snipers,trappers & bombers

[neat summit]

Yeah

Bombers and gunners really

[cinder moon]

flamers

[neat summit]

And opening up bulwarks

[cinder moon]

flamers and bombers are my #1 hated enemies

fire is such a jank mechanic

[neat summit]

Bombers and flamers can end games

Bombers get hunted down with BB

Gunners aren’t too big of a deal but having a room full of them in addition to a bunch of maulers and ragers requires finesse

[spare light]

BB without EP isn't AS bad as I thought it would be

[spare light]

freaking 20 of them lined up

[cinder moon]

remember you can precharge BB

[neat summit]

Yah

[spare light]

https://tenor.com/view/byee-lolol-gif-13058586

walk into room like that

[neat summit]

Soulblaze on special kill and then the node to spread Soulblaze on death

[cinder moon]

kinda sad it's no longer soulblaze on hit

and wc no longer get attributed from killsteals when you were >75% charged

[spare light]

Alright, let's go give it a shot

my deimos btw, not the best, not the worst

and my purg

[neat summit]

Deimos is great

[cinder moon]

i went with focused channeling/flurry on my purg for the memes

[spare light]

Deflector is great

[neat summit]

Focused channeling is clutch

[cinder moon]

kinda wish i had the one psyker who goes BUGS BENEATH MY HEEL

feels appropriate when flaming for 5 minutes on end

[neat summit]

I picked the stupid excop one and his voice lines make me want to die

[cinder moon]

i have the female enforcer, she's kinda boring but occasionally says something extremely funny

[neat summit]

There’s some funny interactions with the cop and the ogryn where they have a full on conversation

And the enforcer keeps using big words that the ogryn doesn’t understand

[cinder moon]

bodyguard said i was an honorary ogryn once, she goes "i accept with grace and gratitude"

[neat summit]

Lmao

I think the enforcer argues with the loose cannon as well

And it’s really funny

It’s one of the veteran voices

[cinder moon]

lol loose cannon once was complaining he couldn't go looting, and enforcer is like "i hope i don't catch you" and loose cannon is like "you won't.....catch me"

[neat summit]

Lmao

The voice lines and interactions in the game are top notch

The ogryn voice that says “what switch do” next to every button or switch kills me every time

[cinder moon]

ogryns cackling as they smack people around never gets old

[scarlet barn]

Im finally level 30
wooo

[lapis bay]

Rending or crit chance? on Dueling sword mk 4

[scarlet barn]

How do i start getting high stat gear?

[restive slate]

Get to level 30, play damnation, wait at Melk

If you got lots of dockets, buy lots of 360+ weapons from Armoury and craft with Hadrons rng

[feral verge]

Rending, every time

[bold flint]

Are you level 30

[slender matrix]

I don't play Psyker a great deal but I was checking limited time items. This any good?

[restive slate]

Male Seer cackling with tge Shards gives me shivers everytime

[spare light]

Yeah, I cannot simply carry with purg

[restive slate]

Replace RunGun with Warp Nexus and its pretty solid

[slender matrix]

Nice.

[scarlet barn]

yes

This is my first crafted weapons
hows it look ?

[ebon jolt]

I remember back when they added that animation. All I posted about after that patch was to please revert the force sword and surge staff visual effects. They reverted the surge staff but never reverted the force sword. Sad times.

[fair kayak]

is there anyway to see warp fire stacks?

like a mod or something?

[lyric burrow]

i think there is a mod iirc

but i forget what it is

its probably one of the most downloaded on nexus

[clear heath]

debuff indicator

it's pretty nice. i use it

[spare light]

I had the inf smite bug on accident, my lord it's boring

Only reason it was good was cause lights out difficulty lol

[analog agate]

@plucky flax what mod are you using to spread out your charge icon/crosshair on staves?

[supple dock]

I've watched way too many psykers get surrounded and do nothing about it because they wanna keep stunning everything. Then die.

[spare light]

I do wish the bug wasn't there

Seems Smite with EP actually does damage

I cannot wait for the fix

but I'd rather them increase smite damage by 50% base and keep EP smite buff at the current %, or a bit more

[strong gulch]

🙃

[spare light]

[strong gulch]

[steel flame]

that hurts my soul

[plucky flax]

Crosshair remap.

[unique mist]

Thanks, hadron

[spare light]

Oof

[ornate hamlet]

axe?

🪓

[potent abyss]

dump stat on force staff?

[spice veldt]

which one?

[ornate hamlet]

want battlemage axe build ok

i have to pee

[visual adder]

Hey I’m a bit of a newbie, can more experienced Psyker players explain why Assail is op?

[slate oasis]

auto aim, bounces between targets, does tons of damage, ammo regens super fast

[spare light]

Easy to use, hits multiple targets, can clear hordes with ease, kill elites with ease

[spice veldt]

and no damage falloff, with either distance, lifetime, or targets hit

[tough lake]

Any good?

[spare light]

I don't really use Obscurus so I can't really say

[strong gulch]

Damage is a bit low but the blessings are good. YOu're free to pick perks as you please.

Obscurus isn't bad but it gets out paced by the other force sword options. It's very middle of the road.

Bubble shield right through the grate. 🥲

[spare light]

https://tenor.com/view/birdman-hand-rub-thinking-dance-gif-17449632

Gunners around the corner

[slate oasis]

shooting between the bars of a fence that each have a foot of space between them? you wish

having your bubble shield go through one inch grating on the floor? 👍 👍 👍

[visual adder]

[strong gulch]

accurate

[tranquil raft]

Im so pissed rn

I had THE WORST team of psykers in all of mankind

You might say they’re new no they’re level 25-30 and have no common sense to help a dude while hes getting mauled by a pox hound

[spare light]

Oof

Sadly it happens

[tranquil raft]

Hold on theres more

[plucky flax]

Too many times I'm ignored while trapped in net or mauled by dog.

Pinging look here doesn't help.

[tranquil raft]

All three of these guys had smite and i had shards THE ONLY horde killer on heresy difficulty in that squad

[spare light]

Today I failed 3 runs cause 3 downs, and when I try to help someone up, I got trapped through a wall

[tranquil raft]

Didnt help me a bit

So self centered in a team FPS

[strong gulch]

🙃

[bold flint]

Mm then you just play damnation or gamble at brunts and get lucky

[dusty tangle]

do i want to upgrade riposte to IV or take crit damage perk

[queen trout]

swapcrit damage to flak or unyielding imo

[fierce crest]

riposte isnt the worst

could just play it for a bit and see how annoying no flak damge is

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt have crit damage, it has crit chance

tbh going for any of the better blessings instead of riposte would be nice

[queen trout]

i prefer shred myself

[tender mica]

Is Empowered Psionic supposed to reduce the peril cost for Smite too?

[queen trout]

no thats getting fixed next patch

[tender mica]

nvm just read above thanks

[hard solstice]

Can assail shards crit? If so, do they crit often enough for it to be significant, or proc on crit effects?

[vocal sundial]

yes

yes

yes

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[hard solstice]

alright, guess I'm building for assail crits then!

[spice veldt]

1.9x weakspot dmg
1.9x crit dmg
2.5x crit weakspot dmg

[hard solstice]

but what's the crit chance for assail?

[stone plover]

Assail more like, no thanks.

[spice veldt]

no idea, but i'd guess 0%

so just 7.5% from psyker's base crit chance

[hard solstice]

okay, so with prescience, presumably 11.5% crit chance, which isn't too bad considering chunking a group of shards into a horde gets plenty of hits after piercing multiple enemies.

[vocal sundial]

more importantly you get true aim for guaranteed crits

[hard solstice]

is true aim the rmb aimed shard throw? That gets guaranteed crits?

[vocal sundial]

no the talent

right side above disrupt destiny

[hard solstice]

ahh I see it now. Still leveling so I haven't made it that far in the tree

[vocal sundial]

it works for assail

[plucky flax]

That's op.

[vocal sundial]

like u

[vagrant frigate]

mfw i kill more elites than entire team combined

every game

[ionic frost]

sorry, level 25-30 IS new.

[plucky flax]

It's okie they did the monster damage for you.

[paper harbor]

The surge staff going add gibbs on kill. Woooo

[idle valve]

no

[ornate hamlet]

do i need the talent "warp battery" in order to complete the warp battery penance?

[primal plume]

Run into psyker using nothing but Smite
Im running Smite but mixing it up with surge and using creeping flames on horde
End score Stagger amount
Smite Spammer 3.1k
Me 6.2k

Come on now. If youre going to be a fucking meme can you at least do it well?

[ionic frost]

maybe you're thrice as good as they are?

[primal plume]

Just saying if youre going to do one thing the entire time can you at least be good at it

[ionic frost]

not necessarily...\

[primal plume]

something something fear the man who practiced one kick one thousand times

[primal plume]

Why not

[ionic frost]

think about how dumb the average person is...

half of them are dumber than that

[primal plume]

fair

[worthy dune]

Ay so does enfeeble not apply to the right click version of smite?

Also Im thinkin tryna get blazing spirit over unstable power w this, and replacin groaners with maniac or flak

[primal plume]

OHHHH NYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VET-KUN DONT LOOK AT MEEEE UWU

[fallow falcon]

Nerd

[primal plume]

part of me wants ice cream

oh

wrong chat

lmao

[regal musk]

Just wanna point out that in one of the steam threads i was reading recently, the scoreboard mod dev himself made a comment about how staggers are captured.

{[Staggered enemies is captured via animation events.
Not sure how accurate it is.
It basically saves who did the last attack and then every enemy that is staggered is considered to be staggered from that attack.]}

So yeah .. Not only does he say its not accurate, you may not even be the cause of all of those staggers that have been attributed to you.
Scoreboard is a fun mod for just seeing numbers, But it is not 100% accurate.

[vagrant frigate]

does crit on revolver do anything for lmb

it says its melee crit chance

[potent echo]

uwu

[potent echo]

yes its also ranged crit chance

[vagrant frigate]

it says melee

[worthy dune]

What yall think is the move here? Dmg is about the same cause the burn n cloud radius are the same but I feel like quell speed being higher would be better?

[spice veldt]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/melee-crit-on-range-weapons/74092

[humble star]

typo hasn't been fixed in 10 months

[cinder mesa]

im looking at the provisional patch notes, these seem like...good changes so far? I like the change to EP Smite and making Assail's secondary more unique while blunting the light attacks

felt kinda redundant except for long range shots to hit otherwise

[spice veldt]

they should've shot its ammo economy in the knees as well

[primal plume]

Personally I like the one on the left

[cinder mesa]

I agree, im surprised they didnt do that or increased the CD by like 30-50%

but hey, at least the other Blitzes got buffed

[spice veldt]

i guess they really want to keep it as a weapon that you're going to hold out, even if I really disagree with the direction that they're taking it in

isn't it great when the optimal way to use a weapon is one of the most unfun ways

[cinder mesa]

atm I feel it clashes with Smite a bit, higher CD for something you can throw out between weapon and ranged attacks seems more sensible to me.

[lunar hollow]

hey guys here's a quickswap weapon that u can chain with other actions super well

except now we punish u for doing that

and encourage you to sit there and use the shittier-brainburst function more

because there is not an entire blitz dedicated to locking onto an enemy and killing it

and psyker lacks those capabilities 🙂

[cinder mesa]

I have oft felt Rupture takes a bit long to charge but maybe im unique in that thought

[lunar hollow]

there's a minimum charge time based on the animation that charge time reduction does not change

[cinder mesa]

when i can just use a lightning or voidstrike staff or such for basically the same effect and less vulnerability

[lunar hollow]

which is super annoying

[near gale]

Question: What perk do I want to replace the 10% weakspot damage with?

[lunar hollow]

and ideally brainburst would get the same treatment as ogryn's reload animations while using point blank barrage

and get a sped-up custom animation

[near gale]

My guess is flak, carapace, or unyielding

[lunar hollow]

carapace is pointless particuarly with surge

i would run unyielding or flak

[near gale]

That's a voidstrike

or do you mean the blessing?

I don't have that one

[lunar hollow]

the blessing

surge void w/o carapace will one tap crushers or maulers on crit

[near gale]

I have it for the trauma staff, but, not the voidstrike >.>'

[humble star]

poxwalker damage

[lunar hollow]

unfortunate

[cinder mesa]

this staff amuses me, its all about crit

[humble star]

Yeah, it's pretty dumb how the cast time has it's own separate animation. So you need both faster charge time and faster cast time to really get it going. Makes faster charge time much less useful than it sounds.

[cinder mesa]

its probs not the most efficient but it sure is funny to run with a build using prescience

[scarlet barn]

I did my first Damnation and 8 crushers spawned on the final run to extraction

[spice veldt]

hab dreyko?

[near gale]

There, now my 1st voidstrike staff is complete.

[regal jasper]

Is charge rate the dump stat?

[ornate hamlet]

They could have made the alternative Assail fire flow better; making it smoother. It feels so clunky and disruptive to use, and I could still throw 2-3 normal Assails in the same time for more damage.

[near gale]

not intentionally

[near gale]

Honestly I'd prefer to swap the charge rate and quell speed on this... :/

[regal jasper]

I need a pic of my voidstrike but its 12:00 am

Hmmmmmmm

Ill do it later

[potent echo]

I would say warp resist is dump

[near gale]

idk, tbh

[cinder mesa]

i consider quell speed kinda a dump

it doesnt seem to make too much a difference or im quelling with something else

[potent echo]

Quell speed affects the amount quelled per tick

Works really nice with the talent that reduces interval between quell ticks

[jolly cedar]

What should I change the groaner perk and executor to?

[potent echo]

Tbh I rather keep groaner damage than weakspot damage

Weakspot damage only applies to the difference in damage between a normal hit and a weakspot hit

Really minuscule

But you can change executor to slaughterer

[jolly cedar]

they need to rework that shit man

[jolly cedar]

yeah that i will do for certain when i get a T4 slaughterer

[potent echo]

They could just increase the bonus to 50% and call it a day

[humble grail]

hey homies, what do people reckon are the best blitz/keystone pairings right now?
i usually love smite + Warp siphon but ive been trying to see what the best pairing for brain rupture would be, WS or EP?

[potent echo]

Depends heavily on weapon loadout

And your combat ability

Warp siphon is bugged and doesn't work on scrier right now

Brain rupture pairs well with any staff except surgestaff

Surgestaff benefits heavily from assail

Void/assail share too many similar roles to be worth running together

For assail you usually want EP

But warp siphon plus shriek is really really strong

[humble grail]

i love ws + shriek and its usually what i run no matter the blitz lmao

maybe i should use assail more

[potent echo]

Yea your blitz will rely on your weapon

[humble grail]

just not as cool a vibe as the other two imo

i lvoe swapping surge/purgatus

im still trying to make a good voidstrike

[potent echo]

Gunker > smite
Staff > brainrupture
Surgestaff > assail

[humble grail]

love**

[potent echo]

I prefer brain rupture on void just to kill snipers miles away or dogs running rampant

[humble grail]

i find smite just annihilates dogs

its like easy mode against them

[potent echo]

Or just kill them with your staff

[humble grail]

yeaaaaaaaaaah but

sith lord vibe cool

yknow

[echo turtle]

Personally, I think telekine shield is the most impactful skill the class has access to, so ideally you want to get as much Cool down reduction pumped into it as you can.

That leads to it pairing will with smite and rupture, as well as warp siphon if you can find the talent points

[unique mist]

if you're talking about the horde of dogs that spawns from the hunting grounds modifiers, they have massively reduced health. same with waves of mutants. smite is still dooky against the normal individual dogs that spawn same as specialists because they have higher health

[slate oasis]

just got a 380 trauma staff and Hadron bricked it like her life depended on it

[modern bronze]

Splendid.

[ember ravine]

does brain rupture not count for the malleus monstronum penance? i swear ive killed a boss twice now with just it alone but didnt get it

[slate oasis]

are your allies damaging the bosses too?

[ember ravine]

nah, they just block and let me

did it on a heresy maelstrom too, wasnt weakened either

[still hearth]

Isn't it private game only

[ember ravine]

yeah

it should be fine since i had 3 others in the strike team for a full stack

dunno what im doing wrong

[slate oasis]

the only thing I could find about it is to make sure you have your lobby set to private even if you're playing entirely with friends

[ember ravine]

huh

how do you do that?

[slate oasis]

I forget the button, but you'll see the option when you go to the mission select board

[still hearth]

Bottom right usually

[ember ravine]

i see

i thought it automatically counted as private if you invited everyone to a strike team

[slate oasis]

you'd think lol

[ember ravine]

this trolled me harder than a poxburster throwing me into a daemonhost

[glossy ember]

aight lads got a question for gun oggy

afaik burst limiter override is kinda crap

so my question is:
should i go for the rending on elite kill or feel no pain?

using rumbler

[spice veldt]

i imagine that the ogryn mains will recommend that you grab rending on elite kill because of shenanigans with how damage falloff works

[glossy ember]

wait

this isn't ogryn chat

[spice veldt]

mhm

[glossy ember]

oops

[spice veldt]

xd

[glossy ember]

my bad lads

i appreciate the help spark 'eads

[strong gulch]

I did it. I remembered to get the full auto mod. 😌

[uncut junco]

Just started leveling psyker

This class is super fun

Dueling sword is sick

[strong gulch]

fast and stabby

[uncut junco]

Wish I had leveled this class a while ago so I could have been collecting good stuff from the shops

[strong gulch]

valid

[brave charm]

Just started too

It's a bit weird

Mainly the head pop

[uncut junco]

My last 150 hours were on zealot I'm really not used to being squishy

[brave charm]

Because if you try to use it a second before it finishes charging it just does nothing and wipes the charge

Very mean

[uncut junco]

Keep getting too deep and wondering where my "oh shit" button is

Headpop is fun imo

[strong gulch]

Yeah it's a bit fiddly and takes some time.

You can either precharge it by holding RMB or locking onto a target with LMB.

The crunchy pop sound 👍

[restive slate]

Brain Rupture will be better i hope

[still hearth]

Brain Rupture:
Gets buffs

Also all enemies:
Gets more HP

So one big difference

Is that BR will now one-shot flamers

With 0 buffs

[plucky flax]

BR stronger against monsters.

[regal musk]

I still believe Blitzes should have always been freely customizable equipment pieces.

[still hearth]

And you one-shot ragers with warp rider still

So it's definitely better in a lot of ways

Should have one-shot BP on dogs as well

[torpid girder]

wghatw ould be a good staff to pair with smite?

[still hearth]

With just BR and Warp Rider

Smite is something you don't pair with

[strong gulch]

Surge

[still hearth]

No wrong

You need Assail for Surge so you can horde clear

Ez pz

I think Voidstrike and Trauma aren't good with Smite. Purgatus does fine with it.

[torpid girder]

well wut would a perfect surge staff look like?

[still hearth]

Warp Nexus, Warp Flurry, Maniac and something

80s in everything but quell speed prob

[restive slate]

Long stick handle and a square top with eye in the middle

[still hearth]

But quell speed enjoyer will hate me for saying that

[strong gulch]

Lightening storm from smite also adds a +1 to surge.

Still larger damage on one target but your can stun 3 instead of 2.

[restive slate]

Lets be hated together

[still hearth]

It's better to take the 10% damage

Since it also works on Surge

Fatshark:
Lightning IS lightning!!!

[restive slate]

Since you have smite for cc anyway

[strong gulch]

Illisi can horde clear as a melee pair to purge.

Creeping flames pairs well too.

[strong gulch]

Flak

[still hearth]

Well I feel it just destorys flak already so idk

Haven't checked it

But probably

[strong gulch]

High damage, critical bonus, and charge rate.

Charge rate can be helped with warp flurry. Warp resist can be helped through the warp siphon keystone.

[still hearth]

Well you want 80 in all of those. The other two can be 60s or something and its okay.

As long as you only need to quell for one tick to fire again

Then it should be fine

[strong gulch]

With 4 warp charges, flack hits some break points on some elites.

[still hearth]

Sounds correct to me.

[torpid girder]

how is this build for smite + surge? i want a main part of it being able to spam shields

[still hearth]

Relying on perilous combustion and wildfire for warp charge gain. Maybe works.

[torpid girder]

wut does fish reaction mean 💔

[still hearth]

I mean rn shields are bugged so you can spam them anyway.

Don't do the node above smite though

And I'd take off the +1 bounce for the warp damage on crits

[ornate hamlet]

I use Voidstrike with Assail. 🙂 Always have. Voidstrike for bulky targets and distant sniping, and Assail for everything else. I find Voidstrikes too slow and position dependant to deal with emergencies and hordes all the time reliably.

Assail fills those weakpoints for me.

[torpid girder]

really? hmm

[still hearth]

Yeah +1 bounce is meh

[feral night]

Anyone tryna run some auric rn

need a pyscher

[undone carbon]

apart from the light attack being assassin x3 instead of assassin > assassin > strikedown, what's the difference between mk 4 and mk 5 duelling sword? (and the other one but idk anything about that)

[still hearth]

Smite does no damage and already stuns like 20 targets

[strong gulch]

Play around with it. Surge generate A LOT of peril.

Inner tranquility or venting shriek may be helpful

[still hearth]

And Surge secondary targets do no damage.

[undone carbon]

same

[humble star]

Entire builds planned around supporting assail

[still hearth]

So geteting +30% free warp damage

[humble star]

"balanced btw"

[still hearth]

Or +15% whatever the crit one is

Is pretty nutty

On a crit weapon?

Basically free damage

[undone carbon]

as much as I like assail i cant wait for it to be nerfed

funny lil shards fix all my problems

[humble star]

I can't either, but who knows when that will be

[still hearth]

I'd probably do this

[ornate hamlet]

I am sad, because I won't be able to carry my team as well anymore. We will probably wipe much more.

[humble star]

next patch isn't fixing shit about assail

still gonna be OP

[restive slate]

Wish it was nerfed as in recharge instead of damage

[ornate hamlet]

Although I am happy the altfire gains some use.

[still hearth]

Assail already overkills things

Really hard

They're barely even nerfing it

[torpid girder]

HADRON NOOOOO

[restive slate]

Terrifying

[humble star]

If anything it might hit new breakpoints because RMB is getting a huge buff

[ornate hamlet]

I had prefered a recharge nerf rather than damage.

[still hearth]

Slap on Warp Nexus and turn Sprint to Maniac

And it's useable.

[undone carbon]

yeah :/ im hoping for the one after, it cant be allowed to be like this forever

[humble star]

It still should get a recharge nerf too

[still hearth]

The damage nerf is still a nothing burger

It won't change anything

[undone carbon]

rmb buff will be nice so its actually usable but the entire thing is just too strong

[torpid girder]

i dont actually have warp nexus yet so ill need to get that

[ornate hamlet]

It wont change spamming. In fact, I will have to spam even more to achieve the same. What does that improve for anyone?

[still hearth]

👍

[undone carbon]

the uptime is just Nuts

[torpid girder]

well at least the staff isn't completely useless?...

[restive slate]

But i do want the rmb assail to be buffed, thats fun

[still hearth]

Nothing! Enjoy

[still hearth]

Nah it'll just have to hit some flak targets one more time basically

[undone carbon]

Game Balance 👍

[still hearth]

Unless you roll another perfect staff just use it for now

[ornate hamlet]

It does not bother you how clunky it is?

[torpid girder]

when u put it like that it means it'll take double the hits :(

[humble star]

Imagine being able to make an entire build around using Brain Rupture on 90% of the enemies you see and it actually being good

[still hearth]

For one subset of targets

And only

Certain ones of those

Like scab rager and gunners

[strong gulch]

Still ok.

swap barrage for nexus and sprint for flak

[undone carbon]

also could I get an answer to this pls?

[ornate hamlet]

I will never ever use Brain Rupture unless it also spreads to adjacent enemies. Killing one target for 3 seconds cast time is unthinkable.

[still hearth]

Mk 4 stabs do like twice the damage

[spice veldt]

if only they didn't change Wrack & Ruin into perilous combustion

[restive slate]

Thats what i want buffed, so the animation is smoother

[humble star]

You might go back to it if they properly nerf assail

[spice veldt]

they should nerf perilous by just reverting it back to wrack & ruin

[still hearth]

No pls

[spice veldt]

die

[undone carbon]

Ah thatll do it- I have a mk 5 that hits like a wet noodle, ill find a mk4, ty

[still hearth]

Just make Perilous

[ornate hamlet]

I'd rather use no Blitz at all. 😄

[still hearth]

5% chance for soulblaze on kill

Like every other fun talent

I love RNG

[spice veldt]

gambling addict

[still hearth]

(I don't love it)

[strong gulch]

Maniac doesn't hit as many break points as flak does. You end up doing more or less the same number of charges with maniac. I think it's one fewer on dreg ragers.

[humble star]

tbf it's not that terrible. Assail is just stupid broken, so everyone expects a Blitz to solo carry you now.

[still hearth]

They are that bad.

[strong gulch]

This my surge smite build. There are a couple nodes that can be swapped around.

Of course take shield instead if you want.

[torpid girder]

for surge?

[humble star]

who is they

[strong gulch]

yes

[still hearth]

Non-assail Blitzes

(Actually Smite is fine if you use it the way its intended)

[humble star]

I'd rather assail be brought down to that level, than the others be that broken

[still hearth]

So you want Assail to be

Literally dogshit

Ok

[strong gulch]

If you have room for both, do both. If you have to choose between flak or maniac, choose flak.

Tho your specific setup could vary.

[humble star]

a grenade slot isn't supposed to be a hard carry for the entire game

[still hearth]

1.5s to throw a shard

I mean yes

But that doesn't mean

They should be dogshit

It's like

50% of Psyker spells

Staff and Blitz

[humble star]

assail is the only odd one out. get it down with the rest of the shitters

[still hearth]

Give other classes better blitzes (oh wait they're already great and some are literally free)

Does Assail need to be nerfed? Yes.

[slate oasis]

why have any of them be shitters though? it doesn't have to be all or nothing

[still hearth]

But making it garbage just means no one will use it anyway

So then the only one people will run is Smite

[humble star]

what knives? I wish psyker had a blitz that actually required the player to aim. Would be fun

[still hearth]

Because CC is free

Ye the RMB on assail should be a straight shot

Not homing

Lets go

[humble star]

all 3 psyker blitz are made to be used on a gaming steering wheel.

[still hearth]

I mean I definitely think they could be more interactive

But I don't want them to be useless

[ornate hamlet]

The grenades of every other class one shots Crusher trains and annihilates crowds. So I do indeed expect it for Psyker as well. 🙂 Most things Psyker has are far weaker by comparison, but the uptime of things is what makes it good. And not relying on pick ups.

[humble star]

Part of the power of not being unlimited. Unlike a psyker blitz where peril is all you need to worry about

[ornate hamlet]

Indeed. That is where the strength lies, not in the raw power of things. In my opinion.

[humble star]

And before anyone says anything about vet nades. Imagine needing to wait a minute for full assail shards.

[ornate hamlet]

Vet grenades deal significantly more damage than even a salve of assail shards, dear Cataaa. 😄

[humble star]

With empowered psyonics that's honestly debatable. We are comparing a single nade to 10 shards

[still hearth]

They don't

[humble star]

[still hearth]

In theory Vet grenades can do more damage but in practice

Assail is too good. It's why it should have like 3 charges

Not 10

Idk what identiy assail has rn either

just

Kill everything

Except carapace

[potent echo]

Assail is kill everything

[still hearth]

Like for some reason

[ornate hamlet]

Sure, if it deals 350 damage and not 200.

[still hearth]

They can't make the SINGLE TARGET

Do more damage

Than the AoE/multi target

???

It's literally

So easy

If hit less targets = do more damage

[potent echo]

Pierce is insane

[still hearth]

Why does Voidstrike do more damage than Surge

Why does Trauma do more damage than Surge

???

[potent echo]

If it only hits one then its balanced

[still hearth]

Why does Assail do more DPS than BR??

It makes no sense

Literally backwards logic

Hit less targets = do less damage

[potent echo]

BR has autoaim

[still hearth]

No it doesn't lmao

[potent echo]

Or shards also have autoaim

[spice veldt]

don't worry, assail just have really strong aim assist

[still hearth]

Idk

It's just

???

[ornate hamlet]

The answer to all these question might be that the class is otherwise only suitable as a support bot. 👩‍🦽

[humble star]

Honestly laughable that you could nerf it to 10 shards a minute and I'd still take it for how many easy elite kills that would be over a regular grenade.

[potent echo]

But if they make BR just too much dps then it's BORING

[still hearth]

But nothing about Psyker is supportive

[spice veldt]

10 shards is a lot to burst through

[still hearth]

We're literally competing to get kills

[potent echo]

What, psyker, support?

Tell that to the vets

[still hearth]

I mean 10 shards per minute would make Assail good to burst out and then you're forced to swap

Which is good

[thin finch]

I mean, BR is already boring

I have the time to cook my chicken while brain rupture charge to not kill the dog

[vestal fulcrum]

But you get the very cool CRUNCH sound effect on successful head pop

[spice veldt]

Psyker needs a proper force precision staff

[ornate hamlet]

Bubble shield and Smite. 💁‍♀️

[potent echo]

Load an Agrippina shell into the voidstrike, east right?

[still hearth]

I use both of those offensively

[thin finch]

Bubble shield + smite + the fucked up trauma staggers

[still hearth]

Trauma kills things so idk

If we count stagger

[potent echo]

Trauma kills everything you cant tell me trauma is support lmao

[still hearth]

Then every class is support

Smite is probably the closest though

[thin finch]

I don't think you have many weapon that instrant stagger a full patrol of crusher

maybe the power maul

[still hearth]

But I just use that one to stagger things so I can easily kill them

[potent echo]

Smite isolates elites from trash so you can shoot them with your gun

[humble star]

Smite isolates my frames from each other too

[potent echo]

Nice

[thin finch]

And why yes, every class has support tool

[potent echo]

Supportide

[still hearth]

Ye every class is support

[thin finch]

The Pogryn taunt ,the Zealot Push Boss Wave and the Vet

[still hearth]

Psyker is the class with the most "let me get the kills" stuff though

So idk

[potent echo]

You must purposely build your psyker in such a way that they do no damage

Almost everything in their kit slays

[thin finch]

IT's kind of the only with keystone requiring you to kill specific target indeed, which was bad with old warp charge and still bad with DD

[thin finch]

I will also add the zealot stun grenade on the list btw

[still hearth]

I call this the pacific psyker

No kill nodes

Lets go

Well

[potent echo]

All we need now is a proper boss damage weapon that can rival duel4

[still hearth]

One actually

But whatever

[thin finch]

remoev this node, because no kill

[still hearth]

There's no other node you can take that isn't pacifist

[strong gulch]

Had an odd moment in which I was walking and just slid to left on an edge. After someone recused me, I was popped up on the floor above where I was.

[still hearth]

All others do damage

[potent echo]

Speedrun tech

[still hearth]

Oh yeah this is normal dw

Warp tingling

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[thin finch]

this one works in coherency so your ally benefit without you doing the killing

(or maybe it doesn't , tooltip yada yada )

[still hearth]

No you have to kill them to give allies CDR I'm pretty sure

[humble star]

Wut n tarnation

[still hearth]

Or something like that

[potent echo]

Unbelievable, killing things as psyker? Unethical

[still hearth]

This way I don't need any kills

I can just exist

[thin finch]

Be careful to not kill with smite

[humble star]

Give psyker pre patch 13 Ogryn shield

[strong gulch]

The emperor gifted me poop for learning how to time warp.

[potent echo]

It's kinda poopy

[thin finch]

I do wonder if you can make a full support build and be usefull with a big whole "0 kill" on the scoreboard at the end

[potent echo]

Now you're talking

The real challenge run

[humble star]

People already doing push only runs

[strong gulch]

Psykers abusing the smite bug isn't really fun.

[potent echo]

They are just unimaginative

[restive slate]

I rather use smite to throw entire groups of ledges

[thin finch]

it is not indeed

[strong gulch]

This time my PC didn't have a fit at least.

[humble star]

Did you guys ever come to a conclusion about riposte affecting range crit btw?

[strong gulch]

Had a zealot straight up leave. Valid tbh

[strong gulch]

I did some small testing. With the riposte buff up from my dueling sword, I was consistently able to crit more often on my ranged shots.

[humble star]

TY. I'll try and ask on the forums for clarification later if I remember

[strong gulch]

More testing is good.

Larger batch sized and values probably evening out to paint a truer picture.

[ornate hamlet]

So melee weapon perks can affect ranged weapons/blitzes? Seemed intuitive to me, but some people told me you have to swap back to melee while the shot flies to have it affected by melee procs?

[native plover]

Well it's either smite doing it's thing stunning everything on screen or Assail, killing anything that don't have carapace. Which do you like more? Or you could go scryer gun psyker

[thin finch]

due to some warp fuckery, when the perk of a blessing is active, it's active for EVERYTHING (well if it's on cooldown)

[humble star]

It seems nobody actually knows with absolute certainty right now. Except maybe the dev team.

It should work that way though

[thin finch]

and if you have an ability with delayed damage (such as a grenade) the perk of your weapons works if you have them equip when the grenade explode

[native plover]

Personally i have no issue using bugged smite or assail. But i like to use them mostly in "Oh shit" moments and use the surge mostly

[thin finch]

so you can enjoy the +25%damage to carapace armor with your krak grenade, it's a bit weird and wworks and does not works is not clear because fatshark testing ground are not that great (the mods makes them way better tho)

[digital narwhal]

I know some people think Surge still isn't the best, so... how would you buff it?

[thin finch]

Reduce peril generation, increase stagger

[still hearth]

No lmao

More damage

[golden tartan]

Surge now comically knocks enemies back

[thin finch]

I don't care about damage on my CC tool

[still hearth]

Surge is a DPS staff wtf

And remove CC only shit

It's the worst thing in this game

[thin finch]

"you can now manipulate smited ennemy like Dooku with anakin"

[strong gulch]

For more details on testing riposte on ranged. I used trauma LMB since trauma doesn't crit that often on its own.

I fired until I had a crit and made a not of how many shots were needed. I did that about 20 times to get a feel for the average.

Then I spawn in the plague ogryn to proc riposte then switch to trauma. I replicated the previous tests but stopped around 10 times because I was able to crit demonstrably more often.

[thin finch]

I like option and variety , if evrything boils down to "big damage" then just remove BR and smite and keep assail in

After all, murder is the strongest CC

[still hearth]

That's the lamest take

Just make them do damage differently

But the fact that single target damage is always the worst is just ???

[frail sand]

madge i died to weapon not switching again

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[humble star]

Nice, that should be pretty good proof unless you really were defying probability

[still hearth]

If I could at least consider BR to be good single target damage and Surge to outdamage the other options then it would be okay

[native plover]

Saying CC is not useful is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Sure the strongest CC is the enemies being dead, but sometimes that is more difficult to do then just throwing smite for a breather for the team to murder them without getting murdered themselves

[strong gulch]

If I was just lucky, I want that to transfer to hadron RNG. 😭

[still hearth]

CC only in a horde game shouldn't be a primary option

[native plover]

It's not, not for me anyway

[still hearth]

I don't complain about wall stunning muties

[native plover]

It's there for "oh shit, team getting overwhelmed"

[still hearth]

Or stun grenades

[thin finch]

despite stun grenade dealing no damage

[still hearth]

But people who use infinite Smite or want to just hold enemies

[still hearth]

Guess why

Could it be because the Zealot isn't

Afk

[thin finch]

cuz zealot can move his body ♫

[still hearth]

While doing it

Ye

Smite is good but if you're using it wrong you're just a burden and now my game is taking longer and I'm having less fun

[thin finch]

but then again zealot is limited by the technolog (and ammo) of his time while Psyketr can stun room whenever he feels like it

[still hearth]

Which is useless most of the time

[thin finch]

Nu uh , It saved many asses vs
That wall of bullwark
that wall of crusher
That wall of Rager

[still hearth]

Crushers and Bulwarks sure

But that's not most encounters

[thin finch]

or resurecting someone downed in the middle of the horde without stun grenade

[native plover]

Yet some are complaining about Assail making the game not fun, yet making the game go quicker because things are very dead. So how shall we have it, is murder fun or boring?

[still hearth]

And that's not how most people use it

[thin finch]

yes but ti's a blitz ability, otherwise you have WEAPON

[still hearth]

They complain it's OP

[still hearth]

That's not how CC lovers act

[thin finch]

That's how I do

[still hearth]

[thin finch]

I'm a dueling sword / purgatus maniac that uses smite when shit hits the fan

[still hearth]

I mean that's how I do too but I'd never want more CC on smite it's already dumb

And Surge shouldn't be a CC staff again

[thin finch]

(without the inifnite glitch because that's dumb and remove the point )

[native plover]

Tbh, i like to use smite to stop a those hounds on hunting grounds. Unless the zealot got immolation, then i'll just relax in the fire

[thin finch]

I agree ,smite fill that rooms very well now and that would just be doublon

[still hearth]

Trauma and Voidstrike also needs less CC

[thin finch]

Trauma I don't know, Voidstrike just need nerf overall

[still hearth]

Stop letting damage do so much

[thin finch]

I did see my Trauma staff shred a boss though

Like I'm not a trauma enjoyer so I had no idea those poor slug would get ruined like this

[native plover]

I didn't realize voidstrike had CC until i realized i could stagger bosses with it

[still hearth]

Its explosion is also all stagger

[thin finch]

every weapon has a level of stagger, and voidstrike hit and blow so ye

[native plover]

Yeah, i used it to keep a plague ogryn from not moving from a spot. before that mission i didn't know voidstrike could do that to bosses

I thought only abilities staggered it like that

[thin finch]

if you hope on zealot or Pogryn, try the power maul

[still hearth]

Voidstrike and rumbler can do thst rn

[thin finch]

Rumbler is broken with the bracefire ability

I love how you look at the right side of the ogryn tree and be like " oh it's for machine gun eh ?" WRONG

[native plover]

I like to use the slow fire heavy stubber with the gun lugger ability with setting thing on fire

very killy

[thin finch]

I use it with a ripper, big shotgun setting room on fire

[native plover]

Speaking of that big sad rumbler's AoE don't cause fire

[thin finch]

Sadly with the rubmler only the hit spread fire, not the explosion

[native plover]

Btw i hope them buffing smite will make it feel better once the bug is fixed. Not seen exactly how much damage it'll do after patch but..

[idle bay]

Nearly 0 damage +130% is still nearly 0 damage 🙂

So that damage buff sound like a good intention but nonsesical in realization.

[native plover]

True. But eh, it's not the point of the ability anyway.

Then again for horde clearing there's no reason to use smite over assail as assail actually just kills instead

[digital narwhal]

It's the old Surge issue though

[idle bay]

Exactly. It's either rave-party that gives team a breathing room in case of beeing swarmed ot pushed by heave melee squad. Or short bursts of CC (If you start and let go each time)

[digital narwhal]

CC without damage isn't great

[thin finch]

5 per tick *150 - 12.5 per tick

[thin finch]

we just had this discussion I am not doing it again

[idle bay]

We are doing same things over and over again - that's Dartide in a nutshell 🙂

[native plover]

True. CC smite is not there for killing things, i can bring a good staff for that or weapon. it's there to prevent things that'd otherwise overwhelm you.

Buut i quite like lightning so i'll probably just continue to use Surge aswell XD

[idle bay]

Bare-naked SMite should be combined with Creeping Flame - that way it does not feel like it sucks at some times

You hold the tide still and then go "Burn you karkers!" and hoards you were holding is toast

[native plover]

Mate, i've been wanting Surge to be able to do that on crit since forever. And Smite to be able to.

[idle bay]

Same - should be build-it option

[native plover]

Was not really useful on the other staffs they were high damage and not high crit so things died before their fire got off anyway if you used it on the staff. Surge have hit crit so it would have actually benefitted from it. Unlike the others, but it didn't have the option

[thin finch]

Smite should crit

[native plover]

But i can see why they don't make it so. if they did then why would i ever bring the fire staff? When i could just spread fire in a much cooler and better way?

[sour bison]

any hope on patch coming this week?

[native plover]

Hope is the first step down the road to dissapointment. But maybe, i belive there is a chance

[digital narwhal]

TRUE

Give it a high Crit Modifier

[plucky flax]

Trauma is strong against bonbon but weak against other monsters.

Bonbon take extra explosive damage or something.

[thin finch]

that explains

[strong gulch]

When perilous combustion spreads through the walls and you get credit for killing the things in the closets.

[kind jay]

wallshriek is the best thing ever

[glossy hazel]

Stop sucking siblings

||lmao||

[kind jay]

is that a real statistic

[glossy hazel]

Yes, check #🐦tweets-sermons

[kind jay]

ohh ty

[vestal fulcrum]

I contributed to this

[golden tartan]

1 in 10 player downs is a psyker exploding

🤔

[glossy hazel]

Just learn to edge your peril, it's not hard

[golden tartan]

Thats actually a frankly ridiculously high number

[glossy hazel]

It is, I'd wager that's like 1/3rd of total deaths

[golden tartan]

Of psykers? Ye

[glossy hazel]

Nah, total

[golden tartan]

Sounds right

Theres 15 mil deaths btw

And 1.4 mil self booms

[glossy hazel]

Holy fuck

How

[kind jay]

farming

[idle bay]

Some auric madness perhaps

Or someone farmed rescues for Penanaces 🙂

[glossy hazel]

Possible

[kind jay]

the 2:18 wipe is odd cause I've definitely teamwiped faster than that

[valid talon]

Hey guys, what exactly is finesse damage? And is precognition or riposte better on a dueling sword?

[urban echo]

Is finesse damage not weak spot damage?

[kind jay]

weak point and crit

If you hover over it in stats you can see by how much

[urban echo]

How is finesse damage calculated does it add to a weak spot crit or add to both those individually

Idk how to word it but hopefully you understand my question cos idk what finesse damage actually is

[kind jay]

it adds to both

60% would be 60 to weak and crit

[thin finch]

LET'S GOO

[urban echo]

Ahh right thank you

[valid talon]

So basically +60% crit and weakspot damage?

[kind jay]

yup

[valid talon]

Given how that stuffs calculated im not sure if good

[kind jay]

it's good now

[valid talon]

And what exactly is a successful dodge anyway? One where you dodge a sound fx attack?

[kind jay]

when you actually dodge an attack you can hear a woosh sound

like a whiff sound sorta

[valid talon]

I can't believe they're BUFFING the duel sword - I can already kill crushers in literally under 2 seconds with mine

And the stab one shots normal flak armored enemies

But before I go let me show my siblings the definition of true pain

15/3800 damage from one shot breakpoint

if I did 0.004% more damage I would one hit it

[thin finch]

"you missed my head by 0.0001 mm , now you will die"

[tranquil raft]

I mean like fresh off the block new like 0 talent points

[slate oasis]

Dang really? Even on a full charge you can’t one shot it?

[thin finch]

This is why you need 80% damage and not 79% damage

[wise ruin]

Wait are they? Do they buff all of them or just some mk?

[valid talon]

All of them ‘’’Maccabian Mk II Duelling Sword

● Light Attack Cleave:

○ 3 to 4.5.

● Heavy Attack Cleave (0%, 80% Cleave Stat):

○ 2, 3.6 to 4, 8.

● Heavy Strikedown Attack Armour Modifiers:

○ Unyielding: 75% to 100%.

○ Flak: 60% to 80%.

○ Carapace: 40% to 60%.

Maccabian Mk IV Duelling Sword

● Light Attack Cleave:

○ 3 to 4.5.

● Heavy Strikedown Attack Armour Modifiers:

○ Unyielding: 75% to 100%.

○ Flak: 60% to 80%.

○ Carapace: 40% to 60%.

Maccabian Mk V Duelling Sword

● Light Attack Cleave:

○ 3 to 4.5.

● Light Strikedown Attack Base Damage (0%, 80% Damage Stat):

○ 1st Target: 75, 135 to 100, 180.

○ 2nd Target: 25, 53 to 25, 53.

○ 3rd Target: 15, 27 to 15, 27.

○ 4th Target: 10, 18 to 10, 18.

● Light Strikedown Attack Armour Modifiers:

○ Flak: 75% to 80%.

○ Unyielding: 100% to 125%.

○ Carapace: 25% to 50%.

● Light Strikedown Attack Finesse Modifier (0%, 80% Damage Stat):

○ 75, 135 to 100, 180.

● Heavy Strikedown Attack Armour Modifiers:

○ Unyielding: 75% to 100%.’’’

[sudden trellis]

DUELBROS, WE EATIN GOOD

[valid talon]

Notably the currently less popular 2 and 5 are receiving larger buffs than 4

[near wyvern]

We shall see if those are large enough but one thing is for sure, Duelling Swords ain't gonna fall from meta next patch if that goes through

[sudden trellis]

there's a meta?

[regal musk]

Feels like FS have decided to balance by buffing stuff to the moon and then winding it back afterwards.
I suppose it has the benefit of making people sit up and actually USE those weapons, so they get more data on it lol

[near wyvern]

Most effective tactic available? Yes, that always exists no matter what

[valid talon]

I mean dueling swords are already among the best pick for a psyker

I’m surprised they’re buffing them

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum for all meta weapons if you are interested

For Psykers that is

[sudden trellis]

nah, thanks. I'm the cretin that picks what feels most stylish.

[valid talon]

I mean most of the psykers kit works pretty well currently. A good part of it works too well

[slate oasis]

Someone at fatshark is clearly a dueling sword main

[valid talon]

Cough cough assail cough hack

Voidstrike is also pretty broken

[sudden trellis]

did they change the cannonball staff?

or so do you mean the uh- the ground-pound one

[ornate hamlet]

What does "Strikedown" even mean?

[valid talon]

Significant nerf - 20% overall damage and a further 25% nerf to carapace damage

Strike down is the basic light/heavy attack name

You’ll have a lot harder time with crushers I’m going forward

Notably, they’re not nerfing the stagger, which is so intense it can stun lock bosses on weak shots

[near wyvern]

Damage types if you inspect weapons you can see things like vanguard, strikedown etc. on the attack pattern icons

[valid talon]

But maybe the damage nerf will do that

I’m not sure how stagger is calculated

[terse rivet]

Wait whats getting a 20% damage nerf?

[valid talon]

Voidstrike staff

[ornate hamlet]

So basically, you either get Surge double crits and probably still 1 shot? Or you don't, and the weapon does absolutely nothing against crushers anymore.

[terse rivet]

oh it doesnt matter its still going to be broken

if you consider bowling over crushers like they are bowling pins nothing than sure

[valid talon]

There’s also a general HP increase to heretics next patch

So who knows really

[terse rivet]

I mean voidstrike kinda needed a nerf I just think they should have left it at toning down the damage not messign with the modifiers

[ornate hamlet]

^

[valid talon]

I think they just thought it was too good vs crushers

Especially since anti heavy is the fucking job of the surge staff

[slate oasis]

It’ll be interesting to see how it is post nerf. Seems like the surge blessing crit build will still be crazy

[valid talon]

I am kinda sad they’re not buffing the trauma or purgatus

[strong gulch]

HOLD ON.

Why haven't I seen anyone mention that you can stun mutants with the dueling sword special?

I know you can with ragers, maulers, and crushers.

But mutants usually say lol I keep running

[valid talon]

I think because you can’t while they’re charging?

Good for cleanup afterwards tho

[strong gulch]

You can tho. Special them in the head while they are charging you.

[valid talon]

Does that stop the charge?

[strong gulch]

yee

[terse rivet]

Yes it does

[strong gulch]

AT least is does in the psykhanium

[terse rivet]

But why would you do that when you can just heavy stab them in the face and one shot them

[slate oasis]

Same. I really like purgatus it needs some love too in order to keep up

[terse rivet]

I’d give my left nut for a laser beam staff

Channeled similar to the purgatus

[valid talon]

Veteran crying even harder in the patch 13 corner

[terse rivet]

Primary attack could be a short burst of laser

[strong gulch]

The special stab seems to have a more forgiving window compared to the heavy stab

Also if you don't have the required damage or buffs to one shot them.

[valid talon]

I mean the threshold to one shot to the head on damnation is pretty high

You need good rolls AND +25% maniac damage

[terse rivet]

You can backdodge before they hit you and it triggers precognition or riposte

And then stab them in the face

As you backdodge

It reliably one shots them

[ornate hamlet]

Do you think duelling MK V getting 45 more damage on its light attack and 45 more finesse modifier could be in any way significant?

[terse rivet]

Its the moveset that matters not the damage

As far as why people favor the mark 4

[valid talon]

Depends on how it synergizes with the moveset

I’m not familiar with it so I can’t comment

[near wyvern]

It doesn't matter, the real question is can you hit one shots with the heavy. If you can one shot a mutant with the heavy then we can start to talk about light attacks.

[summer prairie]

update

[sour bison]

[terse saffron]

mk4 already oneshotted mutants before the patch

[royal granite]

the steam forums are so funny

[plucky flax]

Time to test in meatgrinder.

[native plover]

Looks like we did indeed get that patch today. Was not sure

[summer prairie]

Voidstrike, oh no

[royal granite]

happy to see it

[digital narwhal]

HELL YEAH

[native plover]

this good or bad?

[digital narwhal]

It got nerfed

and good thing too

Everytime I play as my Psyker alongside a Voidstrike Psyker, I feel somewhat redundant

[royal granite]

i am so excited for the steam threads of people screaming about psyker nerfs ruining the game

[naive imp]

Voidstrike nerfed. Assail buffed

[digital narwhal]

February all over again.

PSword and Flamer users will rise from the shadows

to complain once again.

[fringe sapphire]

where can i read notes?

[native plover]

Were they not already? If they're not screaming how powerful we are, then it's how weak we are and how it ruins the run

[summer prairie]

assail feels sameish

[digital narwhal]

Final Patch Notes aren't out yet, but the preliminary notes are in #📢news-bulletin

[naive imp]

The right click was buffed substantially

[royal granite]

ngl i've been eating good on this game's steam forums since the game came out, people complaining about trivial shit gives me life

[summer prairie]

empowered right click is pretty ridiculous

[terse rivet]

is this update THE update?

[summer prairie]

yes

[royal granite]

last update was THE update

this is more like A update

AN

[terse rivet]

so the provisional patch notes were not in fact provisional

[royal granite]

AY

english is the worst

[summer prairie]

they didn't fix the cdr aura stacking

[terse rivet]

I mean what is THE update is subjective

like for veterans

this is THE update for plasma gun builds

[still hearth]

So its even more the best aura now lmao

[summer prairie]

quick empowered smite test, the spread is nice I guess but you still spend all your peril instantly without killing much https://streamable.com/x39vfd

[terse rivet]

I mean they should have reduced its cost

[native plover]

I just hope they didn't nerf us into the ground

[terse rivet]

what do you mean you can go read the patch notes

its hardly anything

its not like a surprise update like oh what do we get

[native plover]

No i mean they do like to sometimes go overboard with the nerfs or buffs

[terse rivet]

they'd have to gut multiple things to make psykers badly nerfed

I mean smite spam is gutted

[orchid nest]

is this with the peril reduction nodes? seems like it should be enough to kill a lot of poxwalkers with a single channel still