Personally, I prefer the Mk I, but yes. the IAGs trade off damage for ammo count
#psyker-class
burnt island
spice veldt
columnus is the fastest-firing IAG variant
burnt island
Graia in the middle.
spice veldt
iirc it's getting some mobility buffs in the next patch as well
severe folio
which one is recommended
burnt island
I recommend the Mk I
spice veldt
for the current patch, don't use the graia because its ammo pool is depressing
severe folio
the damage is not making up for it ?
burnt island
Nah. Not even the veterans use columnus.
spice veldt
the graia is getting straight up a +50% increase to its ammo
burnt island
Yeah, so go for either the graia or the agri
severe folio
okay
burnt island
And if you really ever wanted a recon, go for the VIIA if you're not playing veteran.
severe folio
wait isnt the agriba burst auto ?
spice veldt
seems equivalent though I might've posted the wrong formula before since my notes are scattered with failed attempts at algebra
severe folio
oh theres an IAG agripa
burnt island
Lol yeah
spice veldt
i wish psykers got duellist instead of zealot
i want my free precognition as a talent
spice veldt
q being the stat modifier on the weapon instead of the vent duration modifier
since I figure that's more obvious to people who are going to look at that formula
severe folio
the headhunter guns are also pretty good right ?
summer prairie
Maybe it's right then, I might have typoed when I tried it
spice veldt
the headhunter guns are also pretty good right ?
vraks 7 is very good currently, to the point that it's getting a slight nerf in the next patch because of it
severe folio
huh
spice veldt
the 3-burst one
spice veldt
the Headhunter Autoguns have two burst-fire variants (III and IX) and a singleshot one VII
spice veldt
it's fine
though in the next patch, they're bumping up its damage and lowering its fire rate
so Surgical will be better on it
severe folio
its the closest i can feel to a sniping psyker
spice veldt
more of a proper DMR now
spice veldt
and more akin to the MG12 of the infantry lasguns
severe folio
make sense
those are single shot
i recall they were really good
those mg12
are they still good
spice veldt
they're the best currently, though the other two infantry lasguns (IV and Ia) are getting buffed next patch
severe folio
nice
spice veldt
the IV and Ia will have more raw DPS, though iirc the MG12's particular specialty will be unyielding damage
spice veldt
I'm parroting the things that I've heard from tinyangrycrab so I may be misremembering
yeah, their maniac armour damage modifiers are pretty good
plucky flax
Graia infantry after patch on vet might be nutty.
I will test all the infantry autoguns on vet with patch.
spice veldt
BLAM BLAM BLAM
plucky flax
Biggest buffs are recoil reduction and ammo increase.
spice veldt
i'm poor after investing a bunch of mats into guns
i'm particularly interested in what the mobility of the columnus looks like
plucky flax
If the graia can string together a burst of 5-7 shots reliably on head it'll be. 👌
Also infantry autogun does very good maniac damage so it'll be very good for maelstrom stuff. Run krak grenades for monsters and you're sorted.
spice veldt
why tf do the Ia and IV infantry lasguns currently have such shit unyielding armour damage modifiers
plucky flax
Graia infantry autogun gazer meta? 
spice veldt
the crit strings are real
strong gulch
Playing around with purg was not as hand pain and weakness friendly as I was hoping. Needing to grip my whole mouse for a prolonged period wasn't great.
Surge let me not grip as long and let me rest more.
So in terms of hand friendly less mechanical needs and lower mental power (for me) surge staff + illisi + creeping flames + warp siphon and either smite or assail was the better fit.
There's room to mess up and aiming isn't as critical.
plucky flax
There's an auto swing mod for melee weapon.
spice veldt
hmm is there a toggle-shoot mod for ranged weapons
strong gulch
I'll have to look into those (if I remember)
plucky flax
And make single shot weapon into automatic.
Use this mod when playing laspistol or your finger dies.
strong gulch
I made a note .Pray that I remember.
strong gulch
Use this mod when playing laspistol or your finger dies.
True. I tried laspistol the other day. I didn't understand why it didn't keep shooting if I held the button down.
plucky flax
Too bad no such mod exist for mk2 helbore.
spice veldt
the immersive gameplay of getting RSI
plucky flax
It's quite taxing on finger too that thing shoots too fast.
frail sand
does anyone else's weapon switching sometimes not respond as quickly as expected? I've killed myself with staff a few times being at max peril...
strong gulch
Sometimes switching hitches. It kills me.
unique mist
Sometimes switching hitches. It kills me.
happens to me alot with brainburst
leaden lance
I love you all spark Eads. Chung protec all zap wizards because they're light and smol. Me beat crushers and yell at ragers so spark Eads can make barrier and kill muties
unique mist
I love you all spark Eads. Chung protec all zap wizards because they're light an...
we'll watch your backs as long as you watch ours
just don't eat all of the rations, please
bein sparky works up almost as much of an appetite as being big and strong
leaden lance
Sometimes Chung abandon spark Eads to bash and forgets lil uns need defense. Then Chung rush back
gentle hinge
il trade my rations for a ogryn helmet if that sounds like a good deal
need big helmet for big brain
solar sand
3 more to go
gentle hinge
ahh yeah
gentle hinge
3 more to go
very nice 
echo turtle
I have telekine shield a go tonight
That ability is incredible
Stopping a net, burster or muties right before it tags a team mate feels amazing
leaden lance
💪
gentle hinge
that's brilliant
unique mist
I have telekine shield a go tonight
That ability is incredible
Stopping a net,...
and its getting buffed next patch
higher health, longer min and max duration
echo turtle
Ye
unique mist
very nice
echo turtle
I swapped from the dueling sword to the diemos too
viscid matrix
and its getting buffed next patch
its being fixed since its currently op with warp charge cause 100% cooldown reduction per warp charge
unique mist
well i know that
echo turtle
Which is fine, warp charges need so many pints to go into anyways
unique mist
doesn't really detract from its buffs
unique mist
Which is fine, warp charges need so many pints to go into anyways
i'm still gonna run it
viscid matrix
echo turtle
I don't think I've seen a single psyker take telekine shield
leaden lance
If I'm a skullbreaker ogryn with a habit to rush and beat. Who do I beat if I got a psyker in the team. Do I rush the gunners.
Or do I defend the psykers from anything getting close.
I usually stick close if I'm gun lugger or bullgryn
echo turtle
I have seen some domes, but no shields
unique mist
domes are just low key better imo
echo turtle
The shield is absolutely incredible
leaden lance
Damnation and aurics by the way
echo turtle
domes are just low key better imo
Having tried both, I actually lean shield now
viscid matrix
If I'm a skullbreaker ogryn with a habit to rush and beat. Who do I beat if I g...
kill the gunners while giving the psyker some breathing space when the horde rushes them
echo turtle
Stopping muties and dogs is real good
unique mist
what he said
leaden lance
Does it matter what build psyker is running?
unique mist
it'll always matter what build psyker is running lol
echo turtle
Is there any secret sauce in the deimos?
Uncanny seems real good on it
unique mist
some psyker builds are incredibly weak
echo turtle
Flaniac for perks?
spice veldt
flakiac
viscid matrix
if they throw blue shards, deal with the armour, if they have blue fire, deal with the armour, if they are blowing up the armour, deal with horde
always focus anything being shocked
leaden lance
If my psyker friend is running any form of lightning that has cc do I defend my friend or I kill the stuff they're staggering
unique mist
and essentially traps the psyker while using it
solar sand
cause the stagger fucks up stuff
strong gulch
Is there any secret sauce in the deimos?
Uncanny seems real good on it
Uncanany + slaughterer/ unstable power
echo turtle
Uncanany + slaughterer/ unstable power
Nice, that's what I was leaning
Kind of considering deflector but I feel like I will probably never actually get use of that
severe folio
i found my vrak, it is indeeed a vrak 3
leaden lance
Think Chung understood. Bash until it doesn't move
echo turtle
Uncanany + slaughterer/ unstable power
Do you have a preference between slaughterer and unstable?
unique mist
slaughterer
viscid matrix
Nice, that's what I was leaning
Kind of considering deflector but I feel like I...
tbh if you want deflector, use an Illisi that is for clearing hordes and doesnt really need much single target damage
unique mist
my ilissi has uncanny+slaughterer
unique mist
but i did need help figuring out what to run/swap on this
strong gulch
Do you have a preference between slaughterer and unstable?
If deimos is my main source of peril or horde damage, then I prefer slaughterer.
Otherwise I like unstable power more.
unique mist
or should i just eat it because of 68% first target
strong gulch
Yes it's a cursed build if deimos is my horde clear.
viscid matrix
I would take a Dclaw over illisi
but if going deflector illisi you can hold off monstrocities with no issues
unique mist
in my Surge Voidstrike build i replaced my mk4 DS with Ilissi
only pain point I noticed was it was harder to deal with mutants
strong gulch
I would take a Dclaw over illisi
I don't have devil's claw knowledge, but I hear those are good.
unique mist
ilissi is so nice
leaden lance
What do I do as ogryn if psyker brings gun.
echo turtle
Just kill stuff and stay in cohency with the team
blissful ore
Race them to ammo drops
unique mist
What do I do as ogryn if psyker brings gun.
tut in disappointment
blissful ore
If they are upset about not getting ammo, just keep taking it
leaden lance
Race them to ammo drops
Did you see the psyker hate in ogryn chat. And boss dmg hate? Big sadge
I just protec and bash
echo turtle
If psykers bring shields everyone loves them
spice veldt
tbf our boss damage is not particularly amazing unless you run a bloodletter chainsword or something
echo turtle
If psykers don't bring shields they deserve to be hated
strong gulch
or should i just eat it because of 68% first target
If you're min/maxing id eat it. Whatever you do it's kinda scuffed, BUT it's still a decent sword.
spice veldt
basically the majority of our boss damage relies on weakspot hits
echo turtle
I run Brain burst, my boss damage is consistently great
blissful ore
Did you see the psyker hate in ogryn chat. And boss dmg hate? Big sadge
Ppl get salty about other classes for no reason
echo turtle
People simping for assail forget how solid BB is
leaden lance
Ppl get salty about other classes for no reason
How can the glass cannon space wizard literally kill anything before I can???? PSYKER OP PLZ NERF
strong gulch
BB is consistent for monster damage. I wouldn't call it great tho.
spice veldt
tbf not much downside in being glass if our combat options emphasize ranged weapons and we have infinite ammo
echo turtle
Unless they are running something special for boss killing
viscid matrix
Veterans had it too good for too long, now they get to experiance what everyone else did for a year
echo turtle
We aren't glass tho
leaden lance
SPARK EADS ARENT GLASS??
spice veldt
glass compared to zealots/ogryns presumably
echo turtle
We have shitloads of regend and plenty of health and toughness
spice veldt
we don't have any crazy DR that they get
leaden lance
Chung in disbelief 
echo turtle
We have plenty
spice veldt
but our gameplay doesn't really urge us into taking damage
echo turtle
Way way more regen
blissful ore
Only thing that's crazy is void staff
Everything else is pretty tame
spice veldt
regen but a single crusher overhead is one-shotting us
viscid matrix
we have like 35 dr or so, while at 85% or higher peril
echo turtle
regen but a single crusher overhead is one-shotting us
It oneshots them too most of the timw
strong gulch
Right now the toughness regen options are A LOT.
spice veldt
zealot has a bunch of DR
viscid matrix
Only thing that's crazy is void staff
Everything else is pretty tame
assail is on par with most weapons
echo turtle
Sure, but they don't have the regen
still hearth
zealot has a bunch of DR
That's an understatement
echo turtle
So while zealots can be real tanky, I wouldn't call a psyker glass
still hearth
Zealot tree is DR.
spice veldt
second wind 😔
still hearth
You have to actively avoid taking DR
Like every branch has DR in some way
Or HP recovery
spice veldt
zealots currently have a talent that gives +25% global DR for just dodging; you don't even have to dodge an attack
leaden lance
Only thing that's crazy is void staff
Everything else is pretty tame
Let me instakill hordes and elite packs with me ripper gun.
Let me stun bosses.
Let me taunt and take pressure off the team with shield and ult.
But apparently psykers are op because they take 40 seconds to kill an elite pack and specials when I can do it with a grenade and ripper to protec the lil uns 
spice veldt
😔
echo turtle
Less DR, way more regen
still hearth
Meanwhile Ogryns:
Existing with 66% Toughness DR.
spice veldt
too bad I have to path into CDR to get it
still hearth
leaden lance
Meanwhile Ogryns:
Existing with 66% Toughness DR.
Yes me. Big protec
blissful ore
assail is on par with most weapons
Sure but thata getting fixed
still hearth
I am sure having 66% passive TDR is fine
viscid matrix
Sure but thata getting fixed
its getting buffed
still hearth
And not at all absolutely broken
unique mist
what exactly does toughness DR do
spice veldt
I am sure having 66% passive TDR is fine
sounds healthy
viscid matrix
im sorry 400 damage on a empowered secondary while primary non empowered is unchanged is a buff
spice veldt
60% toughness DR = you take 40% of the damage to your toughness that you otherwise would
unique mist
and how does that affect HP bleedthrough?
still hearth
and how does that affect HP bleedthrough?
Your current Toughness % is the % damage you resist.
spice veldt
doesn't affect hp damage in any way besides having more toughness to reduce melee bleedthrough
still hearth
So at 80% Toughness you take 20% damage.
So if you have more toughness you take less damage.
viscid matrix
So if you have more toughness you take less damage.
technicly less toughness is better 😄 cause the recovery we have will push to max faster
blissful ore
its getting buffed
No it's not, the single target damage increases doesn't contribute to what makes assail strong rn
leaden lance
I can confirm as long as I'm in melee I am immortal with several gunners shooting at me.
Chung strong to protec sah shouty and spark ead 💪
still hearth
technicly less toughness is better 😄 cause the recovery we have will push to ma...
That's not how it works at all.
That's only coherency regen
unique mist
technicly less toughness is better 😄 cause the recovery we have will push to ma...
if toughness recovery is % based it should be the same for all toughness numbers
still hearth
All other regen is % based.
Psyker being able to get full Toughness in one Illisi swing that kills 5 poxwalkers
viscid matrix
you right i missread 😄
leaden lance
Biggest and baddest there is
still hearth
As well as confident strike and momentum on all weapons
Just having full toughness permanently with the DR is so easy
The only thing that sucks are disablers and fire
blissful ore
Vet has trash Regen now
still hearth
Psyker is like 2nd best toughness regen
I'd say Crit Zealot > Psyker > Ogryn > Normal Zealot > Vet
leaden lance
If Chung give spark ead me rippa. Can spark ead move and fire or spark ead lifts rippa in air like assail
blissful ore
So sad I can't infinitely tank on 200 toughness
glad meadow
What is the best way for psyker to deal with monster on auric?
gentle hinge
Soulstealer with flame staff for Thoughness maby?
glad meadow
I got on a full psyker team
spice veldt
prob just bring a bloodletter chainsword or something at that point
glad meadow
And while we survive two monster i feel like its mofe like luck or something
leaden lance
I got on a full psyker team
Kite for the best
past brook
makes me wish getting kills with blunt weapons while scrier's gaze is up would also proc warp attack toughness
we can't have everything, alas lol
blissful ore
What is the best way for psyker to deal with monster on auric?
Brainburst spam on 80% peril
Purgatus
Mk4 stab chains
viscid matrix
Soulstealer with flame staff for Thoughness maby?
Soulstealer and Mettle on every build, since we use crit in every build
glad meadow
Idk it just feel like we cant put a dent to them
glad meadow
I am using deimos and it doesnt kill
viscid matrix
Voidstrike is also pretty strong
pretty strong is an understatment
still hearth
Vraks 3 boss DPS is 
glad meadow
Ok, nice
blissful ore
Yea vraks 3 for sure
still hearth
It does like 1.4k per shot to weakspots
That's Voidstrike damage
On a burst fire gun
glad meadow
Cus fuck i seen zealot and vet stealth build mow down bosses like break fast
glad meadow
And four pysker, the probably strongest class in the game lore wise cant kill a monster to save their life
still hearth
And Zealot obviously with thunder hammer
plucky flax
Common assail W. 
viscid matrix
if beast of nurgle is chasing you, your job is to get it to face away from the rest of the team, so they can focus its weakspot
glad meadow
Brainburst spam on 80% peril
Purgatus
Mk4 stab chains
My bb seem to do a pathetic amount of damage even with combat ability buff and empowered to a boss... and that only last for one hit.
still hearth
My bb seem to do a pathetic amount of damage even with combat ability buff and e...
It does.
It's like 750 DPS with both buffs
Which isn't great when some weapons can hit for over 1k and do that more than once per second
glad meadow
And the shield assassination target?
spice veldt
:pensive:
glad meadow
I wave into melee for that before
still hearth
Ahh
spice veldt
BR at least has the advantage of always hitting weakspots
glad meadow
If i am not careful it easy dying
spice veldt
basically just be careful at half HP since the boss gains access to a toughness-stripping aura
glad meadow
BR at least has the advantage of always hitting weakspots
It doesnt have any bonus dmg though cus of that right
spice veldt
yeah, it funnily enough has a 1x weakspot multiplier
glad meadow
basically just be careful at half HP since the boss gains access to a toughness-...
Shit i dont know that
spice veldt
meaning that you can't take advantage of +weakspot damage if you decide to path into Disrupt Destiny
glad meadow
Nothing tell me that
spice veldt
his shield takes 3x melee damage and 0.5x ranged damage
his hp takes 2x melee damage and 1x ranged damage
glad meadow
I mean 1.1 * 1 is still 1.1 right
spice veldt
ye
glad meadow
So + weak spot damage still do stuff
spice veldt
along those lines
still hearth
But that's not how weakspot damage works
If it doesn't do bonus damage
It's 0 x 1.1
glad meadow
Lmao
glad meadow
Fuck bb then with the next update
spice veldt
Brain Burst uniquely deals 0.75x damage to the void shield instead for some reason, though you shouldn't really use it on his shield ever
just whack his shield
glad meadow
Throwing assail is better than it lol with the ability to trigger on crit and weak spot hit
spice veldt
and dodge away when he's at half shield
glad meadow
I like it more than assail
still hearth
Like idk why Assail staggers everything???
You can just bounce ragers around with it
glad meadow
I much prefer the alt fire of assail to give you a minigun of knives that doesnt track
Like dump all your knife in a linear path
And it explode
Like needler
dim parrot
I much prefer the alt fire of assail to give you a minigun of knives that doesnt...
really? I like the longer throw
brittle ferry
should I get this
dim parrot
give it less knifes, but more up time for the long throw
summer prairie
you shouldn't
plucky flax
Time to terrorise lobbies with assail. 
spice veldt
terrorism
dim parrot
It should just go straight where I throw it
wouldn't it be better for the long throw 2 track and not for the spam throw?
plucky flax
According to leddit some people would just quit if they have assail psyker on the team.
That's terrorism.
spice veldt
it's funner if it's not aim-assisted
still hearth
wouldn't it be better for the long throw 2 track and not for the spam throw?
No I want my long throw sniper shot
spice veldt
and they don't have to balance around the aim assist
also, the RMB throw has this long ass animation
leaden lance
That's terrorism.
Sounds like a problem they're too malice
spice veldt
you basically don't ever use the RMB unless you're killing a sniper or guaranteeing a lock-on
because of how slow it is
spice veldt
if you have quick shards, you can not use the RMB faster than you regenerate shards
still hearth
It would be debatable to use
dim parrot
I want it 2 be more like this
spice veldt
tbh I'd probably still just use the LMB
still hearth
But 10 charges and fast recharge is 
spice veldt
cuz the LMB only takes 0.19s to throw out a shard
dim parrot
https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-146...
this is what I want ^^
summer prairie
rmb probably kills elites slower than bb
dim parrot
1 knife
dim parrot
but have it stay up longer and do more damage
plucky flax
Real.
summer prairie
maybe when you have all the buffs up
still hearth
Just remove auto aim on RMB. Give it even more damage. Make it pen more and go faster.
Bang
Fun use
plucky flax
I missed it when it was the veteran getting abused.
still hearth
It already looks like its meant to be a serious spear throw
plucky flax
Why did people turn racist against psyker. 
spice veldt
shoot the psyker in the kneecaps
still hearth
Why did people turn racist against psyker. <a:SadgeCry:927346529725976586>
They hate because they ain't
viscid matrix
Why did people turn racist against psyker. <a:SadgeCry:927346529725976586>
because psykers are just killing everything so its a walking simulator
plucky flax
Our toy get taken away after 2 weeks. They had autopistol/bolter + power sword for nearly 1 year.
still hearth
"taken away"
spice veldt
i don't receive any racism on NA west sadly
still hearth
It's barely touched
dim parrot
but it stopped 4 some reason
maybe they recognize that im not like the rest? 🤔
still hearth
spice veldt
i need more shittalking to fuel my argumentative soul
viscid matrix
base damage is the same, assail secondary is getting a boost
dim parrot
maybe they recognize that im not like the rest? 🤔
Im different 4 real 4 real
plucky flax
Enemies hp buff tho rip 1 shot 3 mobs.
still hearth
Isn't that like only Ragers
viscid matrix
Base power went down by 50
base power for empowered
dim parrot
i don't receive any racism on NA west sadly
sadly
still hearth
plucky flax
I played 2 rounds today so far and got remarked both rounds for using assail.
still hearth
Hmm??
plucky flax
spice veldt
europe op
viscid matrix
plucky flax
Europe is very racist against psykers.
spice veldt
why don't they just nerf the ammo
plucky flax
They seem to love vets.
spice veldt
it's such an easy and straightforward change to do to actually reduce its spammability
dim parrot
Europe is very racist against psykers.
lol seems 2 be more of a u problem xD
spice veldt
god forbid people have to switch off assail
dim parrot
<:pepesurrender:759374139055931393>
2 be fair it happened 2 me too not long ago
still hearth
god forbid people have to switch off assail
Well they refuse to make BR and Smite viable so...
viscid matrix
The primary got nerfed
it specified 250 going up to 400 with empowered active, so 250 must be empowerd damage
still hearth
still hearth
it specified 250 going up to 400 with empowered active, so 250 must be empowerd ...
That's the secondary
The secondary went from 250 (base) to 340 (base) and 400 with empowered.
dim parrot
make br faster, charge time not as long and Im switching
viscid matrix
That's the secondary
it still sais 250 with empowered currently, so the 250 in part before it must also be empowered since they are currently the same
still hearth
The primary went from 250 (base) to 200 (base)
still hearth
it still sais 250 with empowered currently, so the 250 in part before it must al...
Empowered lies.
dim parrot
I usually just spam Need Ammo when using force staff
lol
spice veldt
this is why we write in commas
still hearth
Don't trust tool tips 
spice veldt
op
plucky flax
That's nearly as bad as our soon 5% damage aura.
obtuse walrus
plucky flax
Already underpowered aura and get nerfed.
viscid matrix
does that aura even apply to monstrocities?
dim parrot
plucky flax
Fartshart quality.
dim parrot
https://tenor.com/view/mary-poppins-yondu-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-1...
I wanna be able 2 do this with assail lmao
still hearth
Sometimes I wonder if
glad meadow
really? I like the longer throw
I think it occupy a space too close with bb
viscid matrix
10% cooldown aura just became bis
still hearth
They understand math
glad meadow
I think assail should just be like pysker back up gun
glad meadow
Given it also on a tree parh friendliest to gun psyker
spice veldt
it should be a quickswap weapon
glad meadow
If they fix the damn Disrupt Destiny playstyle
spice veldt
throw knives, swap back to gun
still hearth
Assail needs to have 3 ammo
obtuse walrus
Assail should be spammy, but also not outright kill everything on the map
spice veldt
there should've never been an incentive to hold out assail for more than a few seconds
still hearth
🙉
spice veldt
quick swapping is the funnest playstyle with assail https://streamable.com/zjpqc5
still hearth
It should kill stuff and not be spammy
viscid matrix
Assail should be spammy, but also not outright kill everything on the map
no should be oppsoite, should have limited ammo like the ogryn rock
spice veldt
still hearth
It's meant to hit multiple targets
viscid matrix
If its high single target damage, then it just takes Bbs job
you mean like it already does
spice veldt
what do you mean single-target damage
still hearth
And make the cast instant
dim parrot
imagine using gun psyker and having 2 look around 4 ammo
dim parrot
It should kill stuff and not be spammy
yondu arrow
spice veldt
I never talked about buffing its damage
obtuse walrus
you mean like it already does
You sound weird, so I'm going to ignore you
spice veldt
just keep its current damage and just nerf its ammo economy
obtuse walrus
Ayways
glad meadow
imagine using gun psyker and having 2 look around 4 ammo
Yes cus reloading a gun is cool
still hearth
You sound weird, so I'm going to ignore you
But it literally already does more single target DPS than BR.
obtuse walrus
Because funny
dim parrot
Yes cus reloading a gun is cool
but waddling around isn't xD because u would have 2 fight all the other classes for it
still hearth
BR and Smite needs buffs that make them more usable without costing you so much and Assail needs to be less spammable
glad meadow
Psyker should have a combat ability where they make the crusher give them sloppy bj given that is the only way it can satisfy all the psyker fans
dim parrot
Like BR is fine if it wouldn't take you 3.1s to cast base
I could make a tea in the meantime tbh
go 2 a fucking cinema
glad meadow
but waddling around isn't xD because u would have 2 fight all the other classes ...
That why i support them having assail as back up gun
That would make it easier on the ammo economy
still hearth
That why i support them having assail as back up gun
I have my gun as a backup assail
dim parrot
That why i support them having assail as back up gun
u do u sibling, I wish u luck on the search for ammo and will thus carry some 4 u if u need it
glad meadow
The assail throw buff going to make bb user question their identity
dim parrot
They don't know that you only use BR on specific targets
can I use br on myself?
still hearth
Assail is so good you use it on almost everything
spice veldt
why do people talk like we haven't been stuck with brain burst before patch 13
like motherfucker, just because I'm using assail right now doesn't mean that I don't know jack shit about brain burst
obtuse walrus
Because people complain like it's bad
spice veldt
I have 1.5k hours on psyker before patch 13
obtuse walrus
still hearth
It is bad
Objectively is just a terrible use
99% of the time you're better off not using BB.
glad meadow
I like it for the cool factor though
dim parrot
sadly ye
still hearth
Even the things its good at other things are better
glad meadow
Imo anything cool should be good
dim parrot
and anything good should be cool
spice veldt
it fits a role, but it's just too simple of a weapon for them to make it particularly good
obtuse walrus
It's objectively the best option. Because it compliments the Void Staff very well
still hearth
It what
obtuse walrus
glad meadow
and anything good should be cool
I dunno about that since sometimes unintented interaction can be good
dim parrot
lmao imagine charging the whole time xD
glad meadow
Like unlimited smite
still hearth
My blood boils when people keep saying unlimited smite is good
glad meadow
I wonder if smite going to appear now given unlimited smite going away
glad meadow
Like i only see it when people abuse the interaction
still hearth
I use smite in most of my builds
Because I don't want to do assail
And I refuse to do BR
obtuse walrus
Because I don't want to do assail
Your loss
dim parrot
And I refuse to do BR
I feel u
onyx imp
I was tired of using BB so I'm glad assail beats it lol
glad meadow
I mostly tap fire smite
obtuse walrus
I enjoy Psykenetics wrath, stun and knock people over, set them on fire and make BR super quick
dim parrot
no, bad sibling!
light belfry
the only valid psyker build is a right side build that takes assail as a tax node to get to the crit talents and doesn’t actually use it
glad meadow
But i have been converted to assail spam with scry
obtuse walrus
I've already played 20 games of assail spam it got pretty boring.
I was talking about not using BB
still hearth
I was talking about not using BB
I feel no loss against not using the worst blitz so its okay
glad meadow
The true psyker edging experience
whole oxide
the only valid psyker build is a right side build that takes assail as a tax nod...
take BR and still take crit nodes
spice veldt
the loss of not using the blitz that I've been using for the entirety of 13 patches :pensive:
still hearth
You guys used BB?
spice veldt
aren't I missing out
dim parrot
take br and explode yourself
still hearth
I just used it to get warp charges
dim parrot
best use
still hearth
obtuse walrus
glad meadow
Oh, and another thing
still hearth
Though I also ran Purg AB build so I didn't even use BB then
glad meadow
If bb cause stagger more on enemy tagged
restive slate
I use smite in most of my builds
Ngl I'm starting to like Smite... without the bug that is. At least in a good team who knows how to take advantage of my smitten enemies
glad meadow
It can be good too
whole oxide
although, tbh, I'm fine with most people thinking BR & Trauma are bad, means buffs not nerfs
glad meadow
Lock down sniper or gunner til you can take them out
dim parrot
Though I also ran Purg AB build so I didn't even use BB then
thx 4 introducing me 2 purg btw :D
freezy hand goes freeeeeeeeeez
restive slate
Zap throw quell zap throw quell
undone carbon
will the power decrease in the provisional patchnotes for assail actually change all that much? idk how power works
glad meadow
Smitten lmao
acoustic seal
Question before I even attempt it. Auto Pistol for Gunker still a good choice?
dim parrot
although, tbh, I'm fine with most people thinking BR & Trauma are bad, means buf...
haven't tried trauma yet
still hearth
Ngl I'm starting to like Smite... without the bug that is. At least in a good te...
I also love Smite because it has huge peril cost so you can get peril to shout faster
still hearth
will the power decrease in the provisional patchnotes for assail actually change...
Not really.
You still have 10 of them
spice veldt
will the power decrease in the provisional patchnotes for assail actually change...
the term "power" gets used, but as far as I can tell it's referring to what we understand as "damage"
dim parrot
I also love Smite because it has huge peril cost so you can get peril to shout f...
does it recharge the ability faster?
whole oxide
haven't tried trauma yet
well, be sure to try it once with suboptimal stats/blessings, and then express a very strong opinion about it
still hearth
does it recharge the ability faster?
No but the flame shout needs high peril for max stacks
dim parrot
well, be sure to try it once with suboptimal stats/blessings, and then express a...
will do will do
undone carbon
Not really.
ty
still hearth
The biggest difference
dim parrot
No but the flame shout needs high peril for max stacks
ooooooooooooooooooh
dim parrot
mostly just used it whenever
undone carbon
the term "power" gets used, but as far as I can tell it's referring to what we u...
is there a difference between power and damage at all?
still hearth
Assail will still like 4 shot them
still hearth
is there a difference between power and damage at all?
In game yes.
In patch notes? Who knows.
light belfry
power affects a lot of shit that isn’t relevant to assail anyways
spice veldt
is there a difference between power and damage at all?
"Power", as given by blessings, is distinct
spice veldt
+40% power = +40% damage, +40% cleave, and +40% stagger
undone carbon
ohhhhh cool good to know
still hearth
But yeah the patch notes are probably not talking about power as its using flat numbers
glad meadow
Finese is weird
still hearth
And assail damage is 250 base
spice veldt
"Finesse Damage", as given by blessings like Precognition, gives the same stuff as the +weakspot/crit dmg perks that your weapons have
+60% Finesse Damage = +60% Weakspot Damage & +60% Crit Damage
still hearth
But
It also adds
Weakspot & Crit Damage
Which is
Separate
If you had +10% crit damage you'd get even less returns on weakspot crits.
Because this code is built on fever dreams
dim parrot
I want psykers 2 have darth maul lightsaber
still hearth
Hmm it might not be true anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood
For a Thunder Hammer the base weakspot crit damage is 390. With +10% it goes up to 408. If you remove the base damage of 212 it does 178~ bonus damage on crit weakspots whichi with +10% crit damage becomes 195.9. So you seem to get the full value of crit damage for critical weakspot hits.
Of course that's still only about 5% damage increase because the calculation
void fable
Am I a dummy for still liking Purgatus and Brain Burst? I know other staffs and blitzes are very popular right now.
still hearth
Purgatus is still good at what it does.
dim parrot
Am I a dummy for still liking Purgatus and Brain Burst? I know other staffs and ...
purgatus no bb maybe
onyx imp
so I got this as one of my first attempts to make a surge this patch lol
not sure what to do with it tho
void fable
If BB maybe. Then what is another blitz than pairs with Purgatud well?
whole oxide
not sure what to do with it tho
leave it as it is, its' nearly ideal already, better to not lock yourself out of making changes in future if something gets patched
plucky flax
683k in 28 mins seems fair and balanced.
onyx imp
@whole oxide ya I kept one reroll sitting there in case. one of the perks was bad
dim parrot
Am I a dummy for still liking Purgatus and Brain Burst? I know other staffs and ...
"If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good, don't let some idiot talk you out of it."
onyx imp
do you know what is ideal for deimos force sword?
or should aim for
I like to have the deflector blessing
amusing to block ranged
glad meadow
683k in 28 mins seems fair and balanced. <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972444420723916...
What do you run?
Void strike?
plucky flax
What do you run?
Assail. Xd
sour bison
Void strike?
overkill is too low for that
void fable
I was also wondering, when you use the Smite Blitz and Peril doesn't go up. That's a bug right? Is there any way to make that not happen? I've wanted to use Smite more, but if its always bugging out and giving me that unfair advantage, it's not fun for me
idle bay
If patchnotes for 14 is correct - Assail getting a solid buff and will be even better 🙂
glad meadow
what would you rate as the staff with the best primary (non-charged) fire ?
bleak tulip
its preliminary notes, I sure hope they reconsider
dim parrot
If patchnotes for 14 is correct - Assail getting a solid buff and will be even b...
lets see how much they buff the enemy health first
light belfry
what would you rate as the staff with the best primary (non-charged) fire ?
surge crit bonus could be good
idle bay
lets see how much they buff the enemy health first
Oh yes.. that is the most unticipated part of the patch 🙂
light belfry
I don’t have personal experience with them
still hearth
what would you rate as the staff with the best primary (non-charged) fire ?
Purgatus
Then Surge
still hearth
Then Voidstrike and Trauma are the same
glad meadow
Im thinking of a weird build with max peril reduction and just spam staff like a machinegun
To see how it goes
still hearth
It works alright
still hearth
The LMB plast is actually not bad
glad meadow
It would need a staff with quell speed not as it dump stat though
dim parrot
https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-inte...
imagine that as a staff
or like a staff that shoots that fast xD
glad meadow
1.5 quell + 30% quell plus peril reduction from warp charge
dim parrot
oh god that would be even worse then assail
glad meadow
Well staff dont have auto fire
dim parrot
yeah but imagine
glad meadow
So i doubt it can
still hearth
Sounds like a mod issue
idle bay
Void staff have autio-fire - you just not clicking fast enough
glad meadow
Lmao
idle bay
skill issue ™
restive slate
Mod user trying not to act sus
spice veldt
lets see how much they buff the enemy health first
just mutants and melee eites
glad meadow
I think purge dont have high stagger on it right?
Void primary probably the best given it high stagger and faster
dim parrot
just mutants and melee eites
spice veldt
void/surge/trauma all have the same primary
surge just has a crit bonus stat that benefits it
onyx imp
if you guys had to rank the staff weapons, how would you order them?
leaden lance
I need spark ead to imagine food so I can eat
onyx imp
I like trauma and surge atm
leaden lance
idle bay
Fatshark broke animations on Void - so if you simply hold RMB and click LMB as fast as you can - it's a Full Auto.
dim parrot
I need spark ead to imagine food so I can eat
uhm what?
idle bay
With mods probably - mini-gun RoF
spice veldt
purg's lmb does stagger ragers out of their combos and that's all i need from it
dim parrot
like peter pan?
still hearth
Gz
glad meadow
it finally worth the amount of money i put into it
dim parrot
i have finally hit 100h on dark tide
nice, do a backflip to celebrate
still hearth
it finally worth the amount of money i put into it
Now put in 1k hours
glad meadow
idk how hard it was to reach end game before
but 20~ at releast im still stuck on heresy
idle bay
Now put in 1k hours
And 1500+ missions at least
glad meadow
now i can just spam auric thanks to the crafting change
dim parrot
idk how hard it was to reach end game before
glad meadow
i thought it supposed to be bad
glad meadow
in what way though?
light belfry
there’s no nurglings
still hearth
It still takes ages to get good stats, good perks and T4 blessings
You can usually get 2/3
Which is manageable
glad meadow
i kinda got the minimum required gear to do at least, 64% success rate on auric
light belfry
soon my darktide hours will eclipse my v2 hours and darkness will take over
glad meadow
hmm
i guess it cus i don't really care for t4
i don't even remember they existed on launch
still hearth
They're making it less bad to not have T4 blessings too
glad meadow
i guess you only reach 1k if you try to min max
still hearth
So its not as bad
light belfry
‘good enough’ weapons are sufficient most of the time to get the feel and shit unless you wanna hit specific breakpoints
but correct perks can make a huge difference
light belfry
it does
glad meadow
and no orgyn
light belfry
griffin foot bounty hunter
glad meadow
what?
light belfry
darktide pre alpha
glad meadow
what?
light belfry
it has dweeb movetech
light belfry
where you waggle your hammer at the right frequency to move 7% faster
glad meadow
ok i guess i won't try it
light belfry
my friends make me play v2 and it just feels so alien for like 5 games and then I acclimate
leaden lance
like peter pan?
If spark ead can dream why can't spark dream nosh for ogryn
light belfry
I’d try it at some point on sale if you like this games melee combat
but darktides got plenty to offer
for me at least
characters are charming
in v2
leaden lance
NOSH
potent echo
Easy as
glad meadow
is there a mod so it remember this?
cyan notch
Charged melee movement tech
just hold m1 with spear ez
glad meadow
i don't wanna config this each time
potent echo
Or just bretsword
leaden lance
Food
whole oxide
purg's lmb does stagger ragers out of their combos and that's all i need from it
sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
dim parrot
ok here gives banana
potent echo
It always does
whole oxide
it definitely does not always
potent echo
I fought 40 ragers in the meatgrinder once, none of them touched me
whole oxide
the flak ones? or the maniac ones?
potent echo
Both
leaden lance
ok here **gives banana**
glad meadow
is there a mod so it remember this?
anyone know?
potent echo
Many jank stagger interactions
potent echo
anyone know?
No clue sorry, there's a mod that remembers auric playlist so perhaps
idle bay
I hope for Patch 14 to be this week.... but it just might be like always with Fatshark - Next Week...
leaden lance
ok here **gives banana**
Now more
potent echo
I expect all patches to come out real slow now because of crossplay
plucky flax
is there a mod so it remember this?
Mine always default to my closest server.
glad meadow
i rather closest english speaking server
potent echo
Perhaps but then not being able to talk to pubs is sometimes a blessing
dim parrot
is changing regions a pc specific thing?🤔
glad meadow
Perhaps but then not being able to talk to pubs is sometimes a blessing
try that after a chinese player or indo player began their rant
it is both low mic quality and very loud
the worst i got from a europe server so far is someone call my psyker a "feline"
dim parrot
the worst i got from a europe server so far is someone call my psyker a "feline"
huh wtf?
potent echo
try that after a chinese player or indo player began their rant
i never ever had that wow
maybe because i blocked them all
trim garnet
https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781
BRWAAAAA goes the peril meter
i love the noise when you hit critical peril
very good noise
dim parrot
lmao we have our own asmr
unique mist
try that after a chinese player or indo player began their rant
I am Australian and play on whatever servers they give me and have yet to encounter a player from asia
glad meadow
I am Australian and play on whatever servers they give me and have yet to encoun...
i am from asia
trim garnet
MUST BE CAAAAALM
unique mist
chaos take you over
dim parrot
it just makes me feel psyker-y yaknow
unique mist
i need someone to datamine the high peril quell voicelines
plucky flax
Left click gaming
https://youtu.be/xW9ulWuBcbQ
quasi junco
Purgatus and brain burst is best combo wombo. Change my mind. (With shield combat ability)
potent echo
i am from asia
damn first game in pacific north and it goes so smoothly
maybe thats the secret sauce
idle bay
Purgatus and brain burst is best combo wombo. Change my mind. (With shield co...
Smite and Purgatus too. You stop EVERTHING with Smite, then turn the heater on
viscid matrix
I am Australian and play on whatever servers they give me and have yet to encoun...
next time you go to start mission, down bottom right, you can see and select servers, asia has their own
unique mist
Usually Australia gets grouped as oceania/asia so i just assumed I was already on their servers
trail forge
FEAR MY POWER.
glad meadow
?
trail forge
all penances completed
glad meadow
ah ok
quasi junco
Smite and Purgatus too. You stop EVERTHING with Smite, then turn the heater on
That’s not a bad idea. But I like BB for distant elites
glad meadow
what is this symbol?
halcyon creek
I believe that’s “is in your Strike Team” = private team
glad meadow
no he is not
halcyon creek
Whoops, then I’m wrong 😅
carmine agate
how long is BB cast time if u have EP and kinetic reso at the same time?
idle bay
That’s not a bad idea. But I like BB for distant elites
Showstopper build. Can stop even massive push of dosens of maulers and Crushers, and can clean everything beside Crushers with ease. One downside- low range 🙂 But you can put a Dome to make it even safer
sonic hazel
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a702111-7f85-4818-86a1-9ba619b6e9c5/ra...
thanks
gentle hinge
any time
gentle hinge
thanks
took me 3 hours as english aint my first language but hey, blessed be the adhd hyper focus
spice veldt
oh wait I just realized I forgot to factor in the +damage from EP in that table
fuck
carmine agate
oo cool
whole oxide
man, purgatus really feels bad right now
still hearth
dim parrot
man, purgatus really feels bad right now
still hearth
But yeah it needs some more buffs tbh
whole oxide
just, the number of situations in the last 3 auric maelstroms, which I could've easily carried with eyes closed with void or trauma, suddenly become buttock-clenchingly difficult with purg
still hearth
Lmao Void or Trauma
We can't compare to the broken weapons ok
They need to be nerfed hard
bleak tulip
purg players be like every staff thats better than purg is broken
since when is trauma broken now 
still hearth
I mean why does Voidstrike and Trauma get to do full damage to everything
And also AoE
???
Imagine if Purgatus did full damage to carapace
Ez
whole oxide
according to people who've played 3 games of heresy and think they know how stuff works, it does
bleak tulip
are people really also bitching about purg
still hearth
I mean Purgatus is decent but its also propped up by Warp Charge + Blazing Shriek
whole oxide
the occasional situation which its designed for and actually performs, its still outperformed by creeping flames or assail, so, feels redundant
still hearth
I wish they'd have even more goons
idle bay
Purgatus is great for blinding ur team
Combined with SMite - it's either Rave party that melts PCs or Greenish flame that blocks the view 🙂
still hearth
We need more spawn points too
still hearth
Combined with SMite - it's either Rave party that melts PCs or Greenish flame th...
Colorblind?
Or maybe I am
plucky flax
They need to be nerfed hard
No I was told trauma not op.
still hearth
Because they're 100% blue.
still hearth
No I was told trauma not op.
Yeah but that's because you need to be unhinged to use it.
plucky flax
dim parrot
Colorblind?
nope you're not colorblind, can confirm, flames are whitish blue
still hearth
👍
idle bay
Or maybe I am
I'd say it somewhere in between some shade of green and some shade of blue - depends on gamma settings and light
still hearth
Hmm. I mean I just see them as extremely light blue
bleak tulip
I think someone's just got unique eyes
still hearth
I turned mine orange
bleak tulip
would certainly be a lot less visible
dim parrot
I mean shiny red
idle bay
Or Tzintch blue, or Empra Golden
trail forge
The only thing I don't want is psyker to return to what it was at launch which was a class that was more of a joke at higher levels.
It needs to be able to pull it's weight as well. Asking for too much to be nerfed will over compensate and send it in the other direction
Just because psyker can now actually keep up with zealots and veterans doesn't mean it should be entirely nerfed. Some things do need changing but I'm seeing "nerf assail, nerf void strike, nerf trauma" etc
Where does the line exactly get drawn? You can't ask for everything to be nerfed
golden tartan
I mean. Sounds like the line is getting drawn on Assail and voidstrike
Well and also infinite smite but thats a bug
dim parrot
Just because psyker can now actually keep up with zealots and veterans doesn't m...
yes and no, there are definitely certain things that need a nerf
dim parrot
but I agree If they end up destroying psyker I will probably stop playing 4 a while
golden tartan
Then VS got buffed to hell and back
trail forge
I just don't want to see the class end up becoming a joke again at higher levels
wise ruin
i think i just found the perfect base dueling sword for auric malestorm
hoary badge
69 pen no way
rain meadow
hello fellow insane people
gentle hinge
i think i just found the perfect base dueling sword for auric malestorm
and it has a Special Melee Attack god tier
gentle hinge
hello fellow insane people
hello
near wyvern
The Psyker Atheneum is finally updated for Patch #13
It got a new face lift and is now filled with more information than ever!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
<@&735928989146939404> any chance that could be worthy a ping on this channel?
I know it's in the pinned messages but people still don't know it exists
near bluff
we don't tend to do channel pings for guide updates i'm afraid, but can pass it up that its not the most vissible there
rain meadow
when my psyker talks about his beloved, hes actually just talking about venting shriek
gentle hinge
hello fellow insane people
also lets be clear, im not insane, it's my doctor saying im insane, but i can read his mind and tell he is lying
rain meadow
uh huh
my beloved tells me you are just as sane as I am
so that has to mean SOMETHING right?
gentle hinge
that means you are sane
rain meadow
this is a problem yes
bush whats YOUR favorite psyker build?
not the one you think is the most effective
just which one do you enjoy the most
gentle hinge
Brain burst gun psyker
cinder moon
bb gunker with full soulblaze perks is great fun
rain meadow
fair honestly
rain meadow
bb gunker with full soulblaze perks is great fun
i run FULLER soulblaze
rain meadow
and then just never have to quell because my shriek is always off cooldown
gentle hinge
no stop full rush
rain meadow
my psyker is just a lil pyromaniac
gentle hinge
same
cinder moon
my laspistol
gentle hinge
fire funny
rain meadow
purgatus staff go FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
gentle hinge
haha fire heretics gone
gentle hinge
my laspistol
this mine
kinda sad hadron ruin
but hey mostly run it for the meme when im not try harding
rain meadow
haha fire heretics gone
yup
inner maple
Can someone explain the heavy attack on force staff to me? I just seem to be making a blue explosion on the ground and not hitting anything, even if I'm pointing AT an enemy
gentle hinge
target in circle go boom
rain meadow
Can someone explain the heavy attack on force staff to me? I just seem to be mak...
you can see where the explosion will be before you release it
its the circle that does the damage
and has a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOON of stagger
inner maple
really? I dont' remember seeing a targeting circle
rain meadow
dont make me pull up my fucking obs again
inner maple
sounds like it'd be really useful when running which zealots and ogryn
gentle hinge
and has a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOON of stagger
but most importantly, it looks cool
rain meadow
sounds like it'd be really useful when running which zealots and ogryn
LMAO ogryn doesnt need help staggering things
gentle hinge
ramming speed
inner maple
yeah I'm a Ogryn/Zealot player, but decided to give the class that pisses me off the most a try
gentle hinge
fair
rain meadow
yeah I'm a Ogryn/Zealot player, but decided to give the class that pisses me off...
knives
?
inner maple
cuz' EVERYTHING is dead before I get to it
rain meadow
cuz' EVERYTHING is dead before I get to it
run faster or play on a higher difficulty
inner maple
well I figured I'd restart from 0 when they introduced the talent tree since I hadn't played sincel ike 3 months post-release
plucky flax
run faster or play on a higher difficulty
compact cargo
