psyker-class

[rare storm]

min max is the way

[glad meadow]

Yes, now psyker is veteran now

This is now a vet channel

[vagrant frigate]

HOLY

[rare storm]

IT IS NOT ENOUGH

[jolly cedar]

by jove thats a sexy staff

[vagrant frigate]

here ill send a video of how i play @rare storm

[jolly cedar]

very close to perfection

[vagrant frigate]

I DO NOT reccomenmd it

at all

its type of shit to get blocked for

[glad meadow]

You cant, its 377, that only 3 point left?

[rare storm]

I've seen some vids of your melee run, I think it's great LOL

[vagrant frigate]

nah i play worse now

[rare storm]

Yeah I need my warp resist to be dumped more

[jolly cedar]

u can

[velvet spear]

is the game stil good for lightning staff bois

[jolly cedar]

through shear will power

he came become god

[glad meadow]

Ok

[rare storm]

This

[jolly cedar]

the new god emperor

Shear the sheep

trim the flock

[rare storm]

if I get a staff with warp resist being dumped to maybe 50 I can get a 80 dmg radius charge rate

[fierce crest]

what does this even do, you can only hit 2 tagets max

[glad meadow]

Its less than 1% more charge speed, that kinda wack to wish for

[rare storm]

cleave attacks give you a damage boos

[jolly cedar]

i mean

[rare storm]

IT'S A 1% THAT I CAN GET

[jolly cedar]

1% is the difference between success and failure

[rare storm]

Worth it

[jolly cedar]

that 1% is all that matters

[lethal folio]

Push attack has more cleave.

[fierce crest]

it can hit 2 tagets with its light, 1 with heavy or special

[jolly cedar]

Most competitions are decided by 1%

whos 1% faster

1% stronger

[rare storm]

I think it works with shoving like tyr mentioned

[near wyvern]

Push attack hits more and if you stagger and hit in general or crit you can also hit more, but yeah not a high tier blessing

[rare storm]

how much worse btw kek

[vagrant frigate]

a lot worse

[fierce crest]

the push thanks, even on crit lights only hit 2 for me

[glad meadow]

I mean, i dont think so. Even if you fire off this staff for 30 min straight it should end up only like 5 ish extra shot

[jolly cedar]

if u play for 1000 hours

chances are

eventually there will be 1 game

where u win because u managed to get the charged shot off in 1 milli second faster

that 1 game could make or break ur day

[rare storm]

Could mean the difference between getting shit on by a daemonhost or me killing it

[glad meadow]

I guess if you are that strict on condition

[thin stump]

Anyone have any tips on how to do the cliffhanger penance?

[jolly cedar]

could mean the difference between me winning the lotto or losing it

[rare storm]

^ this

[slate oasis]

That’s the one where you knock a bunch of enemies off a ledge right?

[thin stump]

Ye

7 in 2 sec

[glad meadow]

I would argue that its the most bonus you can get right now that matter, not those tiny lil stuff

[rare storm]

Also what would be a bigger flex, something that is almost perfect or something that is perfect

[jolly cedar]

i mean

difference between 5'11 and 6 feet is just 1 inch

but that 1 inch determines the fate of a man

[rare storm]

Damn

[glad meadow]

?

[jolly cedar]

i dont make the rules Teddy

[glad meadow]

Why would it?

Are you citing some meme or something

[rare storm]

Just spitting facts

[frank moat]

I always say Vigil Station Oblivium espionage, on the last hack you defend on two narrow walkways and get rushed by groaners, use shout and Force Sword pushblock

[slate oasis]

https://youtu.be/8cU_jq3IAis?si=0fMAk9gPuUGyZDdx

[glad meadow]

I guess the height slider matter but i think only orgyn should care to make a smol boi dont they

[velvet spear]

siblings, is this worth investing more resources into ythink?

[rare storm]

That's pretty nice

[jolly cedar]

Obscurus is trash

[fierce crest]

i remember on release there was some sightlines that only worked with near minimum height

[rare storm]

but obscurus is meh

you can try it out tho

[velvet spear]

what are people throwin around for melee these days

[glad meadow]

Lmao, that rich, did they fix that?

[thin stump]

Thx

[blazing echo]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1zTbApMb_atfMk/d1337RJ6P8Q0?invite=cr-MSwwS0IsMjAwMzc3ODc2LA something sounding very sus on the Mourningstar

[glad meadow]

Nothing, we dont have thrown melee yet

[fierce crest]

axe

[frank moat]

Assail

[glad meadow]

I would like a thrown melee though

But i guess there are no thrown weapon in 40k

Not even a chain tomahawk

[vagrant frigate]

@rare storm i call this style, "muted, reported, blocked, doxxed"

[jolly cedar]

how are u so fast

[slate oasis]

Good god that FOV

[jolly cedar]

has the emperor given u the gift of alacrity?

[fierce crest]

FoV optical illusion

[full bane]

How do y’all feel about the assail nerf coming next patch? Personally I’m very excited because I’ll actually be able to do stuff when I have an assail Psyker on my team without having to play my heart out

[vagrant frigate]

20% from crit

20% from scrier

20% from dd

[rare storm]

This is amazing

[vagrant frigate]

80% move speed

[jolly cedar]

crit?

[vagrant frigate]

its the first blessign on the right

crit = move speed

[jolly cedar]

oh shit

[vagrant frigate]

i mean perk

in the tree

[rare storm]

Mettle

if I rmb correctly

[jolly cedar]

Is it faster than dagger zealot?

dagger zealot is insanely fast

[velvet spear]

oh damn didn't realize deimos force sword was a thing

[glad meadow]

Do you actually wish you can see the world like this irl or are you just psychotic?

[rare storm]

I think he mentioned he gets motion sickness if he plays on low fov

can't remember if that's the reason tho

[vagrant frigate]

i have adhd

if i die i get yelled at by roleplayers

its fun for me

which is what matters ig

i only play like that when its certain maps dont worry

i dont just throw

[glad meadow]

Wait what roleplayer?

[vagrant frigate]

that map is stupid easy to do that on becaues its all close range

[rare storm]

Honestly wildfire and perilous combustion is doing alot of work wow

hm... I should try and weave those 2 in

[vagrant frigate]

no i mean like ive had a dude yell at me because psykers dont use guns

[frank moat]

bricked 😩

[vagrant frigate]

combust wildfire is so op

[glad meadow]

But you use a sword

[vagrant frigate]

idk dog i just know every like 50 games some guy yells at me

idrc

[glad meadow]

Any how i wish there are more gun support

[rare storm]

if I see some guy flying through the map I'd honestly be amazed LOL

[vagrant frigate]

until he dies

and quits

[glad meadow]

Scry should have make me shoot warp bullet

[vagrant frigate]

my teammates all died behind me and respawned next to me in that room btw

and i rezzed them and we won

xd

[rare storm]

kek

[glad meadow]

Some guy call my psyker a feline

[vagrant frigate]

i was like "welcome, im at the end of the map"

[glad meadow]

Idk why

[rare storm]

How are you survivng on 90 toughness alone lol

[vagrant frigate]

i play with a shield ogryn with taunt and a bubble psyker with voidstrike, so im used to sprinting through everything

[rare storm]

are you stacked on toughness dmg red?

[vagrant frigate]

crit = ranged immunity

[rare storm]

oooo right

[vagrant frigate]

i have 0 toughness reduc

if i get hit once i die

lmfao

[rare storm]

wdf

[vagrant frigate]

like i said

muted doxxed

reported

blocked

if i die

[glad meadow]

Oh, on reread, no, i was not critizing the playstyle. Just hoe wide the pov is. Usually, this would cause me motion sickness. Pass me play darktide on 105 though, idk what changed.

[dim parrot]

would u guys trade +19% max health for 1% more max health if it would mean having less toughness regeneration speed?

[rare storm]

yes

[vagrant frigate]

idk ive always played max fov on every game

i like to see stuff

[glad meadow]

Do you wish to see it irl like that

[vagrant frigate]

no?

[glad meadow]

Or would that be too wierd

[vagrant frigate]

that would be awful

[glad meadow]

Hmm, alright

[worn cypress]

really common for tide players to max fov if it doesnt make them sick since you get to see more shit

[glad meadow]

I was actually curious on what sort of adhd that is

Cus that is the first time i heard that sort of habit

[vagrant frigate]

i get super super super into shit

[worn cypress]

my partner plays it with max fov on an ultrawide monitor

its crazy lol

[rare storm]

jesus

[vagrant frigate]

chaos calms me

drowns out the thoughts

ngl

[glad meadow]

Must be easy to have that one. Mine just make me bad at doing paperwork.

[vagrant frigate]

idk im not diagnosed but everyone in my life has told me i have it

maybe i dont

literaly everyone i know

[glad meadow]

Do you use gun with that?

[vagrant frigate]

?

[glad meadow]

The speed build

[vagrant frigate]

oh

i thought irl

yeah i use mk7

[worn cypress]

oh like, find the kind and amount of sensory stimulation that helps de-cloud the mind

[vagrant frigate]

i rarely get overstimulated

i like multitasking and lots of shit

[worn cypress]

what works is different for everyone but theres always something that works

[glad meadow]

Headhunter? Hmm. I use recon lasgun for mine.

[vagrant frigate]

typical calming things like yoga will drive me insane

[glad meadow]

I cant seem to hit a head shot to save my life.

[vagrant frigate]

my playstyle isnt for like anyone who isnt mentally ill

[worn cypress]

yea same I need mental suppression from processing random stuff around me

[glad meadow]

And i get annoyed if i have to aim too long without firing my gun when other player keep killing them

[vagrant frigate]

but the build works great for playing in coherency

[glad meadow]

It weird that its a percision gun though

You would have to slow down to fire it

[glad meadow]

Im pretty sure there plenty of it

[vagrant frigate]

i played a ton of aim games before this

like tier 3 pro in some

[glad meadow]

50% of zealot i matched with like to run off and do who knows what

[vagrant frigate]

nothign crazy but i just adhd click heads

yeah this build is more fun than zealot

if you wanna run off

[glad meadow]

Most of the time that sort of play style is fine if you are good enough

[vagrant frigate]

i like having as much skill-based things in one build lol

the gun isnt that strong its just fun

[glad meadow]

But if you die its super annoying in pub cus one of them might break off to rev the strangler and all hell break lose

[vagrant frigate]

oh yeah if i die

its over

like i said i only do that if my teammates are nice

"can i run off and die"

yes
yes
yes

[glad meadow]

Im pretty sure i will answer yes too

Mostly cus now i got a good enough build i dont care about min max so failing doesnt matter atm

[vagrant frigate]

i just spam auric maelstrom

we're all endgame we dont care if we lose

[glad meadow]

It only infuriating if you dont pick up mats

[vagrant frigate]

i dont cuz i have infinite

pretty muchc'

[glad meadow]

Urgh

[vagrant frigate]

i grab them if they're on the way

gold what i need

[rare storm]

I will trade gold for plasteel plers

[frozen osprey]

psykering

[vagrant frigate]

[stable violet]

that’s very much a slur to psyker’s

[jolly cedar]

when are we getting new updates?

as in

new missions

or mechanics

gamei s becoming quite stale

[stable violet]

good things take time

[jolly cedar]

we got skill trees but no new missions, enemies or mechanics

[jolly cedar]

ye but its just kinda weird that we became 2-3x as strong as we used to be

and the mobs just got a flat hp buff

and that was about it

[stable violet]

im sure it’s being worked on

[vagrant frigate]

@glad meadow

mk7 is fun

it randomly kills things sometimes

[glad meadow]

What your crit chance?

[vagrant frigate]

very high

[glad meadow]

Hmm, i guess since that kill that crusher so fast

If my psyker can get gun that perform like this i would use it more often

Not even 4 weak spot hit in that volley i think by the buff bar

[fierce crest]

INFINITY

[glad meadow]

2 crit kill

[vagrant frigate]

it 1shots crushers

if i do it rightr

[glad meadow]

That so weird

[fierce crest]

I AM THE ONE WHO CRITS

[glad meadow]

Must be the percision bonus

[glad meadow]

But you did hit that many weakspot though

So weird

[fierce crest]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[glad meadow]

Show me your gun

[vagrant frigate]

the gun doesnt

[glad meadow]

Oh you meant the dueling sword

[vagrant frigate]

yeah

[glad meadow]

Well the gun doesnt but i want that crusher killing speed too

I dont really care for dueling sword

I like my jedi sword

[digital narwhal]

Base charge speed buff and an increased Flak ADM from 1 to 1.5 for Brain Burst when?

[vagrant frigate]

deimos does it too

[digital narwhal]

Was playing with a Lasgun Vet, a Revvy Zealot, and a Ripper Ogryn.
90% of BB attempts were scuffed.

[glad meadow]

Bb is goat

Keep on believing brother

[digital narwhal]

Also, increasing Rager health and Maniac ADM from 1 to 1.5 is fine and all, but Flak Ragers will always be 2 shots then, since the Flak ADM is gonna remain at 1.

I just want consistency, man.

[dim parrot]

I feel ya, had an assail psyker that joinked every bb I tried 2 make

[fierce crest]

this is the worst part of the assail meta, ppl ignore the head glow more than ever before

[dim parrot]

also they are literally not able 2 focus on there lane

[fierce crest]

well i mean ppl playing with the psyker

since assail gives the same head glow as BB

[digital narwhal]

Maniac Ragers might possibly be one shots with Patch 14, but Flak Ragers won't.
Who decided to increase the Maniac ADM but not the Flak ADM?

[fierce crest]

idk imm cool with that

[digital narwhal]

I just want consistency with Brain Burst, not-
"Oh you can one shot this Rager, but not this Rager."

It's weird

[fierce crest]

lots of stuff do good damage to flak

[dim parrot]

with the perspective I have now, I understan why people kept leaving when I was playing assail back then

[fierce crest]

playing with full spam assail is very boring yes

[digital narwhal]

It's inconsistent and weird for Brain Burst though.

[fierce crest]

not playing as

[frank moat]

BB should make enemies immune to all other damage for its duration so that Vets can’t killsteal

There is no way this could be abused

[serene breach]

should i change spint to 25% damage to maniac?

[digital narwhal]

Just reduce BBs base charge time slightly.

[potent echo]

Of course

[fierce crest]

give this to BB

make all things that die while targeted with BB count as your kill

let the vet kill Secure for you :)

[frank moat]

Oh I like that even more, let us be the killsteal

For real though I do wish BB still gave the 10% increased damage that it used to

[fierce crest]

im surprised how much i miss the 25% damage after BB

[frank moat]

Oh was it 25?

[fierce crest]

i dont think it was that good

but i liked it

yeah it was a lot

there was warpfire on BB or 25% damage after BB

super nice vs bulwarks

guard break at any distance

your team gets to blow them up

or you do with a second bb, revolver shot, HH autogun, mk12 lasgun, etc

[crude cape]

Reading the subreddit and seeing all these posts about stuff that are clearly a bunch of new players arguing with each other is funny

"TIP: KILL ZOMBIES OFF THE VET SO HE DOESN"T HAVE TO DODGE WHILE IN VOLLEY FIRE"
lmao like bruh, if being asked to position and dodge while shooting is a problem and you're just expecting to stand still and have a zealolt cover poxies off you, you have not played damnation + or maelstrom yet lol

i mean ofc being a rear guard and cleaning up chaff is something people do and should do and helps, but its like these new vets expect to have a personal bodyguard the whole match so they can sit in ADS

[naive imp]

Wait a minute…

For surge staff should we not use surge and warp?

Crit chance and double hits on crit?

Flurry drops cast from 1 second to .74

For void staff flurry makes a lot of sense because it drops it from 2sec charge to 1.5.

[hearty dagger]

Logically crit on peril and surge with the new surge staff would probably be quite hilarious

Since it does do some sizeable burst

[naive imp]

Yeeeeea I think that’s what I’m fishing for next

It doesn’t make sense to run flurry on surge

It’s already….lightning fast

[hearty dagger]

...

I'm going to hit you with that old cerebral lacerations

[slow raven]

surge doesnt have surge

[hearty dagger]

wHAT

[naive imp]

FUCK

[hearty dagger]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BRO

[naive imp]

Seriously?

[hearty dagger]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SURGE DOESN'T HAVE SURGE

[bleak tulip]

how would it

[hearty dagger]

MY GIGA DAMAGE IDEA NOOOOOOO

[cyan notch]

yea u use flurry and nexus cuz theres nothing else

[hearty dagger]

Me and my friends playing in a nutshell
"Freak, give this heretic testicular torsion!"
Rager proceeds to suffer so much pain that his fucking head explodes

[slate oasis]

What would surge on surge even do? Shoot four bolts of lightning instead of two?

[hearty dagger]

Double damg

[slow raven]

lightning the same guy twice i would imagine

i mean, ideally

in reality it would probably be like the shitty one on trauma, where it only works for the left click

[inner bolt]

are staff blessings unique for each type of staff? or does something like Warp Flurry unlock for all of them at once

[slate oasis]

Unique for each type of staff

[inner bolt]

damn, alright

[hearty dagger]

Man, i wish you could put the soulblaze on crit on the purgatus staff

I'M ALREADY SETTING THEM ON FIRE, WHY CAN'T I DO IT WITH A BIT MORE GUSTO

[slow raven]

crits already apply an extra stack of soulblaze, in case you werent aware

but yeah it would be cool to spec into that further

blazing spirit on surge would be pretty cool too, probably too weak now that it only hits 2 targets instead of like 6 or whatever it used to be

[hearty dagger]

Yeah

Though surge does have that big 2 target damage

Would be neat to have that and maybe smth like the Illisi get the power sword one where you get more swings with the alt attack, in the surge's staff it could be extra targets

[glad meadow]

is there an infinite horde bug?

i like them to update staff second bash attack

one attack loop can be good too

[slow raven]

oh a surge-specific blessing to let it hit more targets would be sick

maybe on crit or smth

[hearty dagger]

Yeah

[slate oasis]

and call the blessing “trauma” for maximum confusion when talking about staffs

[slow raven]

yes, this would be the moral thing to do

[hearty dagger]

Have a purgatus specific one called Voidstrike that makes enemies explode when surpassing hitting like 5 soulblaze stacks

[dim parrot]

why is my bb sometimes not working? am i doing something wrong?

do u need a specific count of peril or something?

[slow raven]

not working?

[hearty dagger]

Is someone murking your BB target before it goes off?

[dim parrot]

yee it stops and charges again

[dim parrot]

no

[slow raven]

uh

[hearty dagger]

Either you have a fucked mouse or your internet is dogshit

[dim parrot]

hm

[hearty dagger]

Though i did notice that if you start pre-charging and then snap it onto a target you lose a bit of progress

[slow raven]

yeah i was thinking a problem with the left click on your mouse

[dim parrot]

ye it doesn't trigger it sometimes

it just goes back 2 charging

[slate oasis]

Does it only fail when you try to pre-charge it before a target appears? Or just in general?

[dim parrot]

I think when pre charging

[crude cape]

does surge work on the rmb?

also its already super fast, but when flurry is stacked is REALLY fast, the dps is nice

its noticeable faster clear on groups of elites etc

[rare storm]

@vagrant frigate Sir what gun are you running btw

[still hearth]

For voidstrike yes

[slate oasis]

Try not letting go of right click at any point, even when you left click to trigger the burst. Only thing I can think of

[dim parrot]

ok I think its maybe because when Im in action sometimes the stress leads me to trying to trigger it to soon maybe?

because I need it 2 be full to do something right?

[rare storm]

I've noticed that even if the bar is "full" it doesn't cast the bb

[dim parrot]

so u having similar problems?

[rare storm]

I think it's something to do with latency so I found I just have to hold rmb charge longer

[still hearth]

I haven't used BR enough to have problems with it

Other than the fact it takes forever to use

[rare storm]

It's only on the precharging attacks

[dim parrot]

sadly ye

[still hearth]

Every time someone says that with Emp and the increase charge speed it's fine I try it

And then I go

[rare storm]

yea I had the issue when I was grinding for the 25 poxhound/trapper/mutant penance

[still hearth]

"Wow this still sucks"

[rare storm]

ya it sucks lol

[dim parrot]

emp?

[still hearth]

Empowered Psionics

[dim parrot]

oh

[rare storm]

It's not good no...

[dim parrot]

yeah nah not taking that

[rare storm]

I tried that build for the penance

it still feels clunky as fuuuuuuuuuuuck

[still hearth]

It might be my teammates but the meme of "everyone shoots the glowing head enemy" is still there

[dim parrot]

wishsjwidd im in a sticky situation, because smite is 2 boring 2 use imo, bb is 2 slow and assail is just an ass ability ;-;

[still hearth]

Literally don't get to ever kill anything with BR.

[dim parrot]

cant I trade my ability 2 have a second sword or something? xD

[still hearth]

Assail is too strong its sad.

Smite is at least comfy to keep in my pocket.

I don't feel the need to use it.

[vagrant frigate]

mk7 headhunter

[dim parrot]

just witnessed that shit in a game with an assail psyker

[still hearth]

Just a 1 point investment ez.

[slate oasis]

The way warp siphon works just ruins brain burst for me now. I used to take the shriek that didn’t consume warp charges so I could actually kill stuff with BB on damnation, but now you’re forced to consume them

[rare storm]

oo aye

[still hearth]

And like its correct

[rare storm]

I just saw your vid lmao

[still hearth]

You should kill everything

There's barely any reason to let Psyker's BR now

But

[rare storm]

Was thinking of making a gun psyker build

[slate oasis]

Not to mention you can’t BB trash to get charges anymore

[dim parrot]

also is it normal 2 only have 2 bb's?

[still hearth]

What?

[rare storm]

I usually use bb on snipers

[dim parrot]

like 2 be able to do it twice before peril says no

[rare storm]

idk why nobody ever really shoots them in my games

[still hearth]

Yes

[rare storm]

at least it gets its use kek

[dim parrot]

meh

[still hearth]

It costs like 35% per use

[dim parrot]

thats so sad

usually my first bb gets stolen and the second is the one where I sometimes can get a kill with

[slow raven]

bb is acutally kind of nice with disrupt destiny

[dim parrot]

disrupt destiny 🤔

[slow raven]

using ult wont take away your buff, and you can use bb to kill the targets that giv eyou dd

[still hearth]

I usually get hit by 20 poxwalkers if I try that

[dim parrot]

is that in your build?

[dim parrot]

same

[slate oasis]

As long as you’re under 97% you can still spam it though

[still hearth]

Yeah as long as you use the LMB

The RMB you gotta trigger it before you hit 97%

[dim parrot]

nah not testing that xD

dont wanna make BOOM

[still hearth]

I mean it's well-known. As long as your target doesn't die and you accidentally retarget.

[slate oasis]

It’s true. You can start a burst at even 96% and you’d logically think you should die but you’ll be fine

[rare storm]

so far it's been alright for me lol

[dim parrot]

also oh thats disrupt destiny, nah im gonna use @still hearth build cause its actually quiet comfy

[rare storm]

The worse I've gotten is mauled by a hound while trying to get the sniper

[still hearth]

Idk the options for Blitzes in general for all classes are kinda meh

[dim parrot]

isn't the right tree only good for crit builds anyway?

[rare storm]

purg staff go brr

[dim parrot]

its better with that?

using it currently, but I like my warp too much 2 give it up

[plucky flax]

Ogryn rocks are really good.

[still hearth]

Ogryn has:
Recharagable rocks (kinda worse because free)
Box (explodes)
Bigger bomb (Explodes harder)

[rare storm]

pretty good, I just use it as a horde melter

[still hearth]

Meanwhile Zealot has:
Stun grenade (pog)
Immolation grenade (???)
Knives (they are ok)

[rare storm]

It's a nice other playstyle imo

[plucky flax]

I have been trying fire grenade on zealot.

[still hearth]

Veteran has:
Grenades (meh)
Krak (cracked big damage)
Smoke grenades (???)

[dim parrot]

maybe with the new update bb will be more usable

[plucky flax]

It seems op it kills everything barring crusher.

[rare storm]

Can easily get 25 stacks of soulblaze onto mutants and the likes

lul

[still hearth]

But you have stun grenades that let you kill everything

And stun people

Ez pz

[plucky flax]

You don't have to do the killing.

Throw grenade on the downed guy then run away.
(I don't ress)

[still hearth]

And Psyker:
BR (lmao why is it so slow)
Smite (lmao why does it do no damage)
Assail (lmao why is it so OP)

[slate oasis]

More like: Smoke grenades ( 🤮 )

[still hearth]

Next patch 30s smoke grenades

[dim parrot]

pretty much ye

[still hearth]

Lets go

30s of useless smoke on the ground

LETS GO

[dim parrot]

forgot what they said about bb👀

will they touch it?

[still hearth]

Its given some extra damage iirc

[plucky flax]

Zealot has so nice keystones too.

All 3 are useable (momentum best)

[dim parrot]

damn...

so nothing about the charge time?

[still hearth]

Zealot has 2 great keystones and the crit one is carried by crit CDR being stupid

[plucky flax]

I don't play crit meme.

I play momentum the most by far. It's too op running solo with loner aura.

Then I get flamed for being out of coherency.

[still hearth]

So

Basically not really

It's pretty much the same overall

[dim parrot]

I might go back 2 using assail with how things r going

[rare storm]

or just use more staves

[still hearth]

25% more damage on enemies that got 20% more HP pog.

[rare storm]

Can never go wrong with staves kek

[still hearth]

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s made this way to not suck against enemies with buffed HPs

[still hearth]

(It still sucks)

[dim parrot]

god damn

[vestal fulcrum]

And I suppose slightly higher monster DPS

[still hearth]

BR and Smite both needs full reworks

Like their core identity is just blrghhh

Absolute bad

[dim parrot]

gotta live with players leaving when they see me having assail equipped...

even tho I dont abuse it like the rest

just in emergency situations

[still hearth]

Meanwhile people allow infinite Smiters

[dim parrot]

yee...

[still hearth]

Assail already has so many things

Long range. Multi target. Decent damage.

Make BR just instant

Snap

[dim parrot]

yes indeed, I want 2 eat bread to drown my sadness about psyker abilities

[still hearth]

50% Peril to do 2k damage to one target

Snap snap

Or whatever

Make it go on charges too

If you have to

Just make it not take up your entire character for 3 fucking seconds

To do 1.4k damage

That's half the damage of a voidstrike which takes 1.3s to charge

0 AoE

Just a minor stagger

[proven raven]

that's why the old kinetic barrage perk slapped

[slate oasis]

I guess people don’t mind infinite smiters because then they technically get to kill stuff

[still hearth]

I still think BB was always pretty bad but we had no other options

[slate oasis]

even if what they’re killing is basically training dummies at that point

[still hearth]

BB was good because it was free and you had no limit to it other than peril

Now Assail exists (??)

So BB is so bad its not even funny

Assail not having its charges reduced is just

Fiesta

[vocal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[plucky flax]

[slate oasis]

BB needs way more damage. Like it’s single target and has a pretty long charge up, it should be wrecking whatever you use it on

[limber heath]

They're buffing it a reasonable amount. We'll have to see how breakpoints look in 14

[dim parrot]

should I give up empathic evasion for warp battery?

[still hearth]

What weapons and build?

[dim parrot]

basically your build but I have 2 go down the assail route instead

also minus psykinetic aura

[still hearth]

I don't remember my old builds tbh. I change stuff up pretty often

[dim parrot]

xD

im gonna take some pics real quick

[still hearth]

I'd probably run this with Purgatus if you're doing Assail with it

[bleak tulip]

why not use crit on toughness

[still hearth]

You mean toughness on crit

[bleak tulip]

you still crit pretty often with purg

yes

[still hearth]

It does crit pretty often but idk I haven't liked it as much lately

[fierce crest]

Yeah, I feel like toughness on peril gen is the worst of those four perks

[still hearth]

I would try to run Quietitude but rn that's not great

Because of the path

Since you definitely want soulstealer

Or just this yeah

Running without Quietitude is a bit iffy for me too

But it should be fine

Or just take off the charge time for Quietitude

[dim parrot]

wait so this

[still hearth]

Since if you're not spamming assail its not as important

[fierce crest]

You should run the other warp charge generation talent

[dim parrot]

or this?

[still hearth]

Either tbh

[fierce crest]

I swear the warp fire one is worse even with purg

[still hearth]

I haven't tried Assail + Purgatus

Since I don't think they're a great pair

(Assail is too strong already)

[dim parrot]

[still hearth]

Hey, sibling

I can't make all the decisions for you

[dim parrot]

xD

[still hearth]

Just try whatever sounds better

[dim parrot]

aight bet, thanks 4 the help! ^^

[still hearth]

It's funny because I don't really care much for Essence Harvest

[fierce crest]

Purg everything and assail the gunners that are out of range

[still hearth]

But I literally don't want to get less peril

I want more peril

So I take it to not have the peril cost reduction

[fierce crest]

Could drop one of these for quietude

[still hearth]

Ye

Empathic is nice when you're flaming hordes to ignore idiot shotgunners

But you can just dodge most stuff

[fierce crest]

Genuinely not running assail regen is an improvement to me

[still hearth]

You only run it if you want 100% uptime Assail pretty much

[fierce crest]

Give me less shards please

[still hearth]

Tbh you could even take off the extra pen on shards and they'd still be good

[fierce crest]

Nah, that feels cool

[still hearth]

I mean its 33% more damage per shard

But its like

Shards are OP??

[fierce crest]

50% more

Two hits up to three

[still hearth]

It hits 1 more target

That's 33%

[fierce crest]

50% more

[dim parrot]

so quick shards for quietude?

[still hearth]

Okay yeah it's 50% I'm dumb

[dim parrot]

other way around

[still hearth]

[fierce crest]

33% of the new total

50% mmore

[dim parrot]

trying it out in a pub

[bleak tulip]

god I hate the flat tree lmao

[dim parrot]

lmao

[fierce crest]

i dont run damage with peril cuz i dont run peril weapons

too anoying to keep it up

[outer mountain]

WHat is everyone running for blessings/perks on their MK IV dueling sword?

[fierce crest]

and also i have decimator on my axe

so even more reason not to swap off

[bleak tulip]

uncanny, smite

or shred

whatever

[dim parrot]

is malefic momentun good?

cause mind in motion sound way better imo

[bleak tulip]

think how many kills you do that arent warp based

and then pick momentum and grumble that both choices suck

[dim parrot]

hm, I actually quiet often kill enemies with melee

[fierce crest]

nah mind is great

feels good

[dim parrot]

alrighty

[fierce crest]

dont care if its super strong or not

[bleak tulip]

its a waste of a point for QoL

[fierce crest]

nope

[dim parrot]

true

[bleak tulip]

I'd rather have that point elsewhere or a better thing to pick

[fierce crest]

literally cant skip it

[bleak tulip]

well no shit

[fierce crest]

so its not a waste

[bleak tulip]

thats why im grumbling about it

[dim parrot]

I wanna be able to put my points where ever i want tbh

[fierce crest]

all the tier 3 passives are meh

thats just how that row works

you get some utility

[bleak tulip]

which one do you call tier 3

because the one after auras at least has one with the warp

its not great but it does something

psykinetics aura is goated

if thats the line you mean

[fierce crest]

its the 3rd set of passives you choose from

eh

[bleak tulip]

see thats why I asked I would have assumed all the top ones are the first tier because its all one group

[fierce crest]

dont really feel like im using ult on cd

so a lot of times cdr is unused

which is a big reason being forced to take the cdr warp charge effect sucks so much

[bleak tulip]

helps your allies too, and when you do use it off cd youre happy to have it

[fierce crest]

cuz you dont even benefit from losing all your warp charges sometimes

[bleak tulip]

you get em back so fast dont be a baby

[fierce crest]

for no benefit

[bleak tulip]

use your ult more then

this is all entirely on you

[fierce crest]

pls swap these effects aroundf

fatshakr

pls

[bleak tulip]

you want them to put the keystone at the end behind its buffs?

[small whale]

nah swap it for the damage one

[fierce crest]

warp charges is the keystone

[ebon jolt]

The CDR should be optional.

[fierce crest]

swap the passives

[ebon jolt]

So you don’t have to blow your charges.

[bleak tulip]

the first one gives you the charges tho

[ebon jolt]

And can just play with peril and damage buff up all the time.

[bleak tulip]

its so easy to get charges now I really dont see the point tbh

also its a balancing thing I bet

[fierce crest]

guh

its harder than before

[bleak tulip]

lmao what

you get a charge for free for killing elites

and you dont even gotta use BB

its so much easier

[fierce crest]

instead of every kill with bb

and they nerfed the warpfire charge generator talent

[bleak tulip]

okay but psychic is better anyway

[fierce crest]

yeah it didnt used to be

[bleak tulip]

arguably even on purg

[fierce crest]

yeah

cuz it got nerfed

[small whale]

yeah im always at 6 warp charges without trying on auric malestroms

[bleak tulip]

idk man I see times I go back to 4 almost instantly

if only I had the points for batt

[small whale]

but empowered psionix keystone is better atm for assail spam

[fierce crest]

yeah but

[bleak tulip]

I basically dont use assail

[fierce crest]

why would i want to assail spam

[bleak tulip]

I run assail but basically dont use it lol

only for instant toughness heal really

and for staggered trash mop up

[fierce crest]

yeah thinning weak hords before theyre in range of my axe

[small whale]

Ehh I was going the warp keystone with assail and it perfomed worse

[fierce crest]

or staggering bulwarks lul why does it do that

[fierce crest]

if youre using assail as a primary weapon it is worse

if youre using your primary as a primary its not

[bleak tulip]

I mean if youre doing mostly assail shit yeah EP is better

[small whale]

just use the best tool for the situation

[fierce crest]

no

its a video game]

i wanna hit stuff with axe

[bleak tulip]

oh

[fierce crest]

more fun

[small whale]

dueling sword supremacy

[fierce crest]

less fun

cringch

[bleak tulip]

I mean I have fun using the best tool for the situation

c:

[small whale]

yes it is very balanced

[bleak tulip]

I saw that in vet chat

they dont know that most of that damage probably was void

[small whale]

Voids actually better at hordeclear

assail shreds elites and specials though

[bleak tulip]

void is just better at almost everything, thats why I basically never use assail

I just switch to it shart out some shards and switch back

or for toughness gen, or for peril gen

[small whale]

sometimes I just throw out all the shards then back to void it id

[bleak tulip]

because it shits out peril like an overfed dog

[fierce crest]

assail is better at sparse but dangerous enemies

void is better at big tanky boys

both are good at everything else

[bleak tulip]

I mean no

all dangerous enemies are easier to kill with void

[still hearth]

Ehh

[bleak tulip]

like sure if its a horizontal line of gunners or something?

[still hearth]

It takes 1.3s and you have to aim

[fierce crest]

if you cant hit them all with a void

assail

[bleak tulip]

it doesnt take 1.3s to kill most things

[wet belfry]

Illisi op?

[still hearth]

Did two of your team just never connect?

[wet belfry]

No this was done prepatch.

[fierce crest]

voiding 3 gunners spaced out is much worse than throwing a few shards, staggering them all with the first shard, and then killing them all

and you only had to look at them for like 2 seconds

[wet belfry]

you need the time per damage

[still hearth]

Still how do you do 1103k when they do 128k lmao

[wet belfry]

Leavers, joiners

also some spent half the game dead

if not more

[still hearth]

1 hour and 14 minutes

Oh yeah

I see that

[bleak tulip]

15 deaths

lmao

[still hearth]

This is what it looks like when you have to solo a game

[bleak tulip]

if its only 3 gunners I have better shit to shoot at anyway

thats why vets exist

[still hearth]

Vets don't exist

That's a lie

[bleak tulip]

might as well not

[still hearth]

Next patch shout though

[bleak tulip]

I tried powersword again today

shit sucks

[still hearth]

Looking juice

I mean they nerfed its damage but didn't buff the mobility so its just

[bleak tulip]

it does literally no damage unless you charge heavy attack

its the fuckin worst

[still hearth]

"Lets make it a worse Illisi, that'll be ok"

[bleak tulip]

meanwhile chainsword, double damage on light attack

still kills shit on heavy

no wonder vets are salty

[still hearth]

Meanwhile Rampage on Chainsword

I mean no one cares about power sword

Vets are dum

They just enjoy power trips

[bleak tulip]

I like it aesthetically but I wish I could at least trash a random stragger without needing to turn it on

I just decided I wont do my melkies for vet this week

[still hearth]

Meanwhile the Ironhelm will be a better Power Sword next patch

[still hearth]

I don't mind playing invis vet the run saver

Just get double invis and play Helbore 3 with infinite ammo

[mellow barn]

I didn't know Psykers had a psychic revolver as a weapon lol

[wet belfry]

I dont mind ironhelm anyways being good

that weapon has been bad for awhile

[still hearth]

Ironhelm will be pretty crazy

It's already good rn

But the cleave damage values fuck it

Can't do the one thing its meant to do

Anything with flak taking 0 damage if its not first target on a cleave attack

[fierce crest]

lul

why

[still hearth]

Because some weapons

Were just made poorly

It's not even the only one

Plenty weapons used to have the same issue but after 3 targets

(In fact both hammers had that)

[small whale]

i did that in half the time 😤

[fierce crest]

but illisi doesnt do that

and its a power sword clone

[still hearth]

They removed it on most weapons but forgot to add damage to flak cleave

[wet belfry]

BUT YOU DIDNT DO IT WHILE STROKING A SWORD

[small whale]

I can't with dueling sword 😔

[fierce crest]

illisi just does this on a light

???

how

does power sword not

this is the fattest of sharks

[still hearth]

I think the way it works is that Illisi does more damage to the first target but a bit less cleave to latter targets

[worthy crown]

R the staffs worth using over guns? The alt fire seems good but the lightning blitz seems better

[small whale]

Ofc, no ammo use

[bleak tulip]

oh sweet summer child

[still hearth]

Staves are usually better than guns on Psyker yes

[worthy crown]

Maybe I don’t have a good one

[bleak tulip]

yeah probably

[still hearth]

There's a handful of guns that are competitive but most aren't that good even just because you can't spam it

[bleak tulip]

with that take I assume youre pretty new and not 30 yet

so stuff is gonna feel all over

[young meteor]

Wonder if the laspistol will be competitive post buff

[worthy crown]

11

[bleak tulip]

yeah

just keep playing what youre having fun with

[still hearth]

Did they fix the special force shove yet

[wet belfry]

Outside of voidstrike i think guns are actually pretty comparable to staffs

[worthy crown]

I use the staff anyways bc it looks cool

[young meteor]

I dont even what your talking about

you mean the shove spending peril?

[wet belfry]

But voidstrike is overall in its own league so its whatever.

[still hearth]

No that's fine

The fact that it does 0 stagger on flak

[bleak tulip]

isnt that literally on the patch notes

[still hearth]

Nothing about the special as far as I can tell

[young meteor]

Oh yeah, now that I remember, it was mentioned line 146

[fierce crest]

this revolver actually kinda nutty with no changes

[foggy breach]

is this a good upgrade?

[fierce crest]

range > damage

could pull t4 warp flurry off it tho

[foggy breach]

should i just take it for the warp flurry then

[fierce crest]

probly fine to do

[foggy breach]

i can put that on all of my staffs right?

[fierce crest]

nope

just purgatus

[foggy breach]

eh, fine, i can live with that. i like purg

[crude cape]

what does this mean

[fierce crest]

warp nexus+flurry is what i use on my purg

[fierce crest]

POP

[fierce crest]

well then

[foggy breach]

cool, thanks brunt

[fierce crest]

there ya go

[crude cape]

like, the enemies explode?

[fierce crest]

yeah

like how smite does

[foggy breach]

im gonna put this through hadron now

[crude cape]

ah

[mellow barn]

Ah yes that one.
From what I gather this is basically Sienna's Flamethrower staff from Vermintide

[foggy breach]

yes i love it

[fierce crest]

its better

but yeah

its the flame staff

and trauma is the conflagration staff

and voidstrike is fireball

sadly we didnt get the beam staff

that staff was funny

we get surge instead

[lethal folio]

Void is unholy child of fireball and bolt.

[fierce crest]

megabeth players smh

bolt staff would be great too

[sonic coral]

@spice veldt hey sorry to tag you but I know you run trauma, what's your tree look like? I'm really struggling to make mine work out with available points

[fierce crest]

but that would just be current void with a faster projectile

[small whale]

Psykers you think the damage type change to all staves is a nerf or buff?

[fierce crest]

type?

[sonic coral]

staves?

[fierce crest]

damage?

psyker?

[whole oxide]

think?

[crude cape]

been using this with surge staff, and often an illisi to help horde clear but also dueling sword.
got it from someone in here, dont remember who but I slightly modified it, and I've come to REALLY like it, and think it could be strong post patch especially.

thoughts? horde clear is basically vent for soulflame, and stall with smite + melee. but it wrecks elites/specialists.

thoughts on swapping smite to BB? i feel like it would still work well, maybe better. Distance is its main weakness like snipers, far bombers etc

[fierce crest]

no thank you

[foggy breach]

god fucking damnit hadron

[fierce crest]

thats fine

[naive imp]

Smite to bb for snipers. Surge can clear horde and elites fine. Need a boss option. Like chainsword or dueling sword.

[foggy breach]

HAH

SAVED ME MELKBUX

[fierce crest]

yeah see

thats fine

idk if cara or unyielding is better

both are just ok on purg

[naive imp]

Brain rupture should be instant

Lol

[whole oxide]

carapace is definitely not okay on purg

[fierce crest]

i run tank busting melee with purg so both would be kinda uselesss for me

[foggy breach]

what do yall think of my build

[naive imp]

For what?

[foggy breach]

i feel like the only one that really matters is crit chance

[orchid shadow]

If you switch to BB, I'd go Enhanced Psionics instead.

[foggy breach]

probably unyeilding is better just because purg isn't gonna do shit to carpace anyway

[foggy breach]

deimos and purgatus

[small whale]

bubble > venting shriek?

[foggy breach]

bah

[naive imp]

Tbh I think purg is better suited as support and using bubbles

Creeping is overkill when using purg imo

[small whale]

my friend refuses to use bubble idk why

[foggy breach]

bubble is kinda too good

[naive imp]

Also the range on purg

Leads to being better suited for bubble

[whole oxide]

for purgatus/deimos, I'd drop Wildfire and the hanging stat-node below it, and put those 2 points to pick up Kinetic Deflection

[naive imp]

Yea tbh not a bad call ^

Purg needs buffed imo. It just takes visibility away from team and doesn’t do enough damage.

Ttk is off

Purg needs something where if a mob reaches so many burn stacks that would kill it, it just dies or something. Obviously with a cap.

Like no 1 shot on bosses and crushers and stuff.

But a horde can often just still walk towards you and swing

You take a lot of chip damage

[small whale]

yeah the no stagger hurts

[foggy breach]

why drop wildfire?

[whole oxide]

so, the thing about soulblaze, is that you need to hit 6-8 stacks to kill most things

less stacks than that is pointless, and more is pointless

purgatus will reach lethal stacks on most things with or without wildfire

[small whale]

but wildfire = fire = purg

[whole oxide]

not saying its a bad perk, but I couldn't see anywhere else realistically to drop 2 points to pickup kinetic deflection

where wildfire is big value is if you have less sources of soulblaze, and need to squeeze value out of every single stack, like if you're using creeping flames or blazing-spirit, but without purgatus

[fierce crest]

for purg, flak and maniac are both great

[carmine agate]

what blessings on an illisi?

[foggy breach]

hmm, empowered psi doesn't get a charge on specialist kill, thats annoying

[naive imp]

AND the cleave is irrelevant because you’re already cleaving.

Wildfire and combustion are meant for void/surge and to a lesser extent trauma.

[fierce crest]

its still a good talent

[foggy breach]

new build

[long wharf]

EP really shines in Damnation

[rose dagger]

Uncanny/slaughterer

Unstable power good too

[naive imp]

Is this purg?

Purg doesn’t crit does it?

[rose dagger]

It does

[carmine agate]

purg does crit

[rose dagger]

Crits apply 2 stacks

[carmine agate]

quite good too

[fierce crest]

everything does

[wide galleon]

lol

[fierce crest]

except blitzes

[naive imp]

Oh I thought the burns couldn’t crit

[fierce crest]

except except assail

[long wharf]

burns don't crit

purge's projectile can

[naive imp]

Like the application of the burn can crit? But the ticking doesn’t?

[rose dagger]

Crit build purg good yea

[naive imp]

Gotcha.

[rose dagger]

Yes and if it crits it applies 2 stacks of soul blaze instead of one

[idle marten]

Salvageable in some way?

[fierce crest]

the infinite horde clear illisi

[foggy breach]

dreg gunner is gone forever

[fierce crest]

deflector is fine

[foggy breach]

nvm i found them

[fierce crest]

the other 3 kinda sad

[idle marten]

aye thanks dont know much about you spark'eads weapons so

[fierce crest]

its not damage

its utility

so its suboptimal

but its fine

[idle marten]

yea i just dont have blessings yet so

found a deecnt looking sword and up teired and thats what came out

[foggy breach]

tbh i'm not sure how useful the -100% cost on BB is just bc you can already basically bb forever since yuo won't explode as long as you're below 97% peril

[fierce crest]

the faster cast and extra damage is the real reason to take empowered

tho it does let you hold m2 forever

small benefit

[idle marten]

psyker pop skulls like ogyrn?

[fierce crest]

psyker pop entire bodies

he's fine

[foggy breach]

im wondering if perfect timing might be better than battle meditation

or perilous combustion

since the purgatus crits a lot

[idle marten]

oh he sleepin gotcha sparkles he'll be fine right?

[fierce crest]

this is my build, purg + DS/CAxe/Deimos

[near wyvern]

My eyes

[fierce crest]

🤏

[fierce crest]

cuz this is so much better

[gloomy bough]

I'm sure you get this question in here all the time but what is and isn't 'warp damage'? I'm sure the various abilities/blitzes are but is, for instance, purgatus staff warp damage?

[fierce crest]

it easier to go to the website builder than take 3 screenshots

[fierce crest]

everything that costs peril + warpfire

[foggy breach]

also beating someone to death with your staff

[near wyvern]

Why not just like this

Perfectly readable

[fierce crest]

yeah i said that

3 screenshots is the worst for convenience and readability

1 screen is best for convenience
website is best for readability

[knotty island]

yo is there a build for psyker for early game shenanigans

i'm around level 10, using smite cause cc is nice to help the homies

[knotty island]

that's what I should run?

[fierce crest]

cheap and powerful

[knotty island]

I have 3 more points