psyker-class

[lament ice]

also is the force sword the only viable weapon for the psyker or are there other weapon classes that go well with it

[torpid girder]

90% of assail talk has just been people complaining about it so I think i'm going to avoid using it for now 😅

[ornate hamlet]

I love it personally

[strong gulch]

That's the thing tho, if something is a big upgrade for you, use it even if it's deemed as "bad".

Most people talk about good or bad because of min / max for harder content.

Good to know what to aim for tho.

[torpid girder]

I guess it's time to try and get a better purgatus

[spice veldt]

abuse assail while it lasts

[dense bramble]

Bro please try it its actually fun.

[spice veldt]

i'm on that assail grindset until they decide to give it a proper nerf

[ornate hamlet]

@torpid girder I think people use it poorly but 🤷‍♂️

[dense bramble]

It is too good but it wont win you rounds if youre a shitter

[narrow crane]

I think assail is gonna be better lmfao

[torpid girder]

By complain I mean "It's too overpowered and the rest of the team doesn't get to play the game" type of complaining

[ornate hamlet]

It's literally the best crowd control skill psykers have atm....

[torpid girder]

also I kinda want to avoid using it cuz i dunno if it might eventualyl get nerfed and i'll miss when it used to be good

[spice veldt]

not crowd control

[ornate hamlet]

@torpid girder ahhhhhh 🤣 🤣 🤣

[dense bramble]

On the other hand sometimes you need to HARD carry and you want all the damage you can get

[ornate hamlet]

Lol they may be right

[dense bramble]

It does smash hordes

[ornate hamlet]

@spice veldt tf you mean yes crowd control

[spice veldt]

it just straight up kills them?

what about infinite smite?

[pseudo viper]

I find it bizarre that they're throwing out a bunch of ridiculous nerfs on Psyker, but still haven't addressed the god awful right side Blitz and capstone

Who even uses them?

[ornate hamlet]

@spice veldt it does not though

[frank moat]

Ogryn nuke is pretty decent CC too

[narrow crane]

I don't think any of the nerfs are ridiculous

[ornate hamlet]

Armored hordes it takes forever to kill them but it will keep them locked in place@spice veldt

[strong gulch]

I mean, "might or will be nerfed" is a reason to not play something BUT weapons and their interactions have had repeated changes or reworks.

Like a lot of shit has.

[spice veldt]

are you talking about smite?

[pseudo viper]

They're ridiculous because the Toughness generating talent that's going from 15% to 7.5% percent on Warp damage was incredibly important for melee Psyker builds

[ornate hamlet]

BTW someone asked about the viability of swords.

[dense bramble]

I miss the old power sword

[ornate hamlet]

I use the chainsaw myself but I focus elites so idk if that's helpful

[torpid girder]

Honestlyyy the biggest reason i'm avoiding assail is cuz from wut i've heard it sounds like a crutch and I don't really want to abuse it Lol

I want to at least get better at the class first

[ornate hamlet]

It is a bit, ngl

[pseudo viper]

It's fun. Who cares.

[frank moat]

It is fun, you should give it a whirl on the highest difficulty you’re comfortable with just to try it out

[narrow crane]

it's a crutch at lower difficulties, in damnation+ it feels slightly op

[ornate hamlet]

@pseudo viper that's my thoughts but 🤷‍♂️

[dense bramble]

Just try assail and voidstrike and touch the magic bro. Voidstrike for armour/straight hallways and assail on everything else. Its so fun

[ornate hamlet]

To each their own

[pseudo viper]

You know what's not fun? Brain Burst. It could one shot everything and it'd still feel like garbage

And yet the update is doing nothing to address its gameplay being ass

[narrow crane]

I like brain burst

[strong gulch]

If you want to try it, try it in small doses or to set up your other weapons.

[torpid girder]

Well, what's sa good assail build then?

[ornate hamlet]

@dense bramble he's not wrong, I just like the feel of purgatus and have focused hard on the wraithfire

[narrow crane]

brain burst is becoming more fluid next patch

[torpid girder]

i'm assuming since assail kills alot a soulblaze warpcharge build?

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty much

I'll take a few pics of what I'm running

[dense bramble]

Do you have surge on your voidstrike?

[torpid girder]

umm i just got this, i could try getting another one

[ornate hamlet]

Lol I haven't figured the blessings system out. That's my only downfall

[pseudo viper]

Brain Burst might be the only useful blitz soon.

[brittle ferry]

Is mk5 dueling sword any good

[dense bramble]

Thats actually pretty solid. If you want to grind try get the surge blessing or more blast radius but thats about it.

[spice veldt]

it has a better block cost and marginally better dodge distance if you're into that

[torpid girder]

What does surge do?

[brittle ferry]

Is it any good tho

[spice veldt]

well, do you care about mobility

if not

just run the mk4

there are some people who only use their melee for mobility

[whole oxide]

it's getting some slight buffs isn't it?

[spice veldt]

so it is what it is

[dense bramble]

2 shots on a critical and you can get a perk to guarantee crits after 5 headshots. When you hit a horde youll smash through tons of heads

1 shot crushers all kinds of goofy shit

[torpid girder]

ooh, so it doubles the amount of charge shots u shoot?

[spice veldt]

ye

[dense bramble]

Yeah bro

[spice veldt]

no idea if they'll give it the correct values this patch though

[pseudo viper]

I wouldn't invest in that.

[spice veldt]

since its finesse multipliers are lower than they should be

[pseudo viper]

Voidstrike is getting nerfed on top of high target enemies getting insane health buffs

[whole oxide]

ehhhhh, that's less than i thought i remembered

mk5 light pattern is garbage anyway, so they'd have to giga-buff the numbers to make it good

[torpid girder]

Well as long as the shot threshhold to kill enemies isn't too different right?

[dense bramble]

How are they nerfing void?

[spice veldt]

oh wait I misread the patch #13 notes on the MKV

hmm

is it supposed to have such meh damage values?

god damn

[pseudo viper]

It's in the notes. It'll be doing less damage.

[torpid girder]

ooh wait, is blazing spirit any good?

[spice veldt]

not that bad

[pseudo viper]

200 damage on Assail down from 250 doesn't seem like much, but considering Maulers and shit are getting +400 HP, that's a huge problem

[whole oxide]

you weren't hitting maulers with assail anyway

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

just build into assail lol

[ornate hamlet]

@spice veldt that's my full load skills included

[frank moat]

ehe

[torpid girder]

honestly I feel like the numbers themselves are basically irrelevant as long as it doesn't affect the amount of hits an enemy takes right?

[pseudo viper]

You need to be jailed for these photos

[torpid girder]

also what's the difference between a chainsword and like a deimos warp sword

[ornate hamlet]

Lol they came out much poorer than when I took them I apologize

[dense bramble]

● Chain timing from start next projectile set to quell chain time
● Slightly reduced the previous 70% buff applied to secondary fire to tune down
extreme damage on high health targets.

[whole oxide]

chainsword better for bosses and hordes, deimos better for elites/specials

[ornate hamlet]

This^^

[torpid girder]

So if i'm using a voidstrike I assume I want a chainsword

[dense bramble]

Second one is fairly obvious but what does chain timing from start next projectile set to quell chain time

[pseudo viper]

Wait.

Deimos is worse at boss killing with its special?

[spice veldt]

deimos's special has peepee poopoo DPS

[pseudo viper]

Even with its swings and soul stacking on crits?

[ornate hamlet]

Tad better

[dense bramble]

Bro press f12 to screenshot

[whole oxide]

doesn't come close to the bleed-stacking from chainsword special

[spice veldt]

in terms of damage, you should only ever use deimos's special for flak enemies where the special has a 200% damage bonus against them

[ornate hamlet]

Lol not PC unfortunately

[spice veldt]

(with the penalty of being locked, and there's always the h2)

[ornate hamlet]

@dense bramble would if I could my mans

[pseudo viper]

I'm not sure how this build makes assail do thousands of damage points though

[spice veldt]

warms my heart to see perilous combustion taken

[spice veldt]

probably because acherons and me are different people

[pseudo viper]

You've both got As in your name

[spice veldt]

😔

[pseudo viper]

Good nuff for me.

[torpid girder]

Wait so are warp charges + soulblaze or empowered psionics better for assail

[pseudo viper]

Either or my dude. But more importantly.

Does ANYONE use the right side capstone or blitz?

[spice veldt]

people say that warp charges works well, but I personally would go for EP + right-side branch

[dense bramble]

I use warp charges because it can be used with void.

[spice veldt]

i use disrupt destiny yeah

[pseudo viper]

Because they completely ignored them in the patch notes, and they feel like absolute garbage

[whole oxide]

if you're going to be spamming alot of assail, then EP, if you're using it situationally then Siphon

[spice veldt]

keytone is questionable, and assail is just insanely good

[ornate hamlet]

Mine isn't built specifically for assail. It's built for wraithfire and elites. Assail I use for its headshots and range to take out specialists to far away for my sword or purgatus, all of which sets off wraithfire

[pseudo viper]

Smite is insanely good... on non nurgle buffed enemies

[torpid girder]

I guess I'll try psionics* then

also wtf does this mean

[whole oxide]

people do sleep on BR though, just carried the most insane monstrous maelstrom on the station boss, yoinking alot of specials that nothing else would be able to reach

[pseudo viper]

I mean. I guarantee you Voidstrike would reach.

[ornate hamlet]

@torpid girder means you are invulnerable to ranged for a second

[whole oxide]

no, it wouldn't

[spice veldt]

ranged i-frames on crits

[torpid girder]

WHAT

[pseudo viper]

Sure mate.

Cope with that Brain burst.

[whole oxide]

because you wouldn't have the time to cast it

[pseudo viper]

Says the brain burst user?

[dense bramble]

Brain burst was cool because you could lock on and duck round a corner to kill something

[pseudo viper]

Litterally a single Blitz in the psyker tree makes BB unnecessary. Y'know. The dome shield?

[whole oxide]

i can latch and then move, you have to wait to charge before moving, in that time you're dead

[torpid girder]

Well the difference between voidstrike and brain burst is it locks on as soon as you start channeling vs with voidstrike you need to preemptively channel right?

[ornate hamlet]

I believe so

[pseudo viper]

Yeah. "Dead" while using Void strike. As opposed to channeling without being able to move much with BB

[clear heath]

you can move while charging though

[pseudo viper]

Yeah.

[torpid girder]

it's basically the same

[pseudo viper]

Cope my dude

[dense bramble]

But thats where youre wrong. charge void and dodge round the corner

[clear heath]

it's just charging before vs charging after
and needing to aim

[whole oxide]

without being able to move??

[clear heath]

you can literally move and dodge while charging voidstrike

[dense bramble]

Especially with 3rd person mod the voidstrike assail combo is so dominant

[pseudo viper]

Am I missing something? Voidstrike annyhilates everything around you, in front of you.

[torpid girder]

Yea there's not really a difference between voidstrike and brainburst in terms of usage, the difference is whether or not you're channeling behind cover before or after you look at an enemy

[pseudo viper]

Who the fuck is dying with voidstrike staff?

Y'know. Fuck it.

[whole oxide]

guys, you're not understanding the situation, this isn't peeking down a corridor from behind cover, this is running around the arena being chased by 2 spawns and 3 mutants

you aren't charging void there

[pseudo viper]

I'd be using surge staff and enjoying my free win

[clear heath]

if you can't charge void, you also can't charge brain burst

[pseudo viper]

Also, you absolutely can shoot void at the ground and knock them away with chain voids

[ornate hamlet]

Which is where assail and purgatus reign supreme@whole oxide

[torpid girder]

doesn't void charge around as fast as BB with kinetic resonance assuming you have good charge speed and warp flurry?

[pseudo viper]

I don't understand wtf Ragnar is saying

Have you ever used Voidstrike?

[spice veldt]

aiming would be a problem, but you can charge there

[dense bramble]

I feel like its faster

[torpid girder]

I haven't done like specific testing so i can't say for sure

[whole oxide]

have you ever played auric monstrouc maelstrom?

[spice veldt]

if void is still 1.9-1.6s, then it's marginally faster than brain burst which is ~2 seconds for the charge

[torpid girder]

it's okay we're all psyker friends here calm down :)

[dense bramble]

Yeah bro all the time and void/assail is better than any bb build

[pseudo viper]

Yes. As a knife zealot, or a hammer zealot who can one shot monsters. or smite, to control crowds.

[torpid girder]

I'm assuming with the kinetic resonance charge speed buff thing

[pseudo viper]

Who the fuck would run BB in that? Hell, Assail would be better

[torpid girder]

Unless the 2 seconds is already taking the 75% into acc

[torpid girder]

Isn't assail the best of the 3 blitzes? I was under that impression

at least currently

[pseudo viper]

It's not a blitz, but a grenade.

[whole oxide]

it's best if you're just using blitz and nothing else

[spice veldt]

yeah BB will be faster, though voidstrike had its downtime cut down

[torpid girder]

whaaa

[frank moat]

Assail is good but it doesn’t do Jack against Monstrosities

[pseudo viper]

Smite is better I think than Assail personally.

[whole oxide]

blitz is grenade >.<

[frank moat]

Blitz is your grenade my sibling

Dome/Scrier is your Ability

[torpid girder]

ty ty

So voidstrike still charges faster

[spice veldt]

expect those numbers to change in the next patch

[whole oxide]

the point is, if you have a 1s window in which you see a special, you only have that 1s in which to do something before you have to move

with BB you can latch, with void, you can't do anything

[viral solstice]

they wont

brain burst is getting deleted

along with veteran class

dont tell anybody

[pseudo viper]

I don't know what magic you're talking about? You literally delete everything in front of you with Voidstrike.

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[pseudo viper]

What 'one second' bs are you on?

Surge staff, btw, would win this argument

[whole oxide]

not if you don't have time/space to charge it

[torpid girder]

does anticipation's +50% dodge duration affect empathic evasion?

[pseudo viper]

YOU DONT HAVE TO CHARGE IT

You literally can spam shoot it to create space and cause stagger

[torpid girder]

yea that's true u can just instaspam surge

[pseudo viper]

WHAT AR EYOU ON ABOUT?

[whole oxide]

what are you on about? i'm not talking about clearing chaff aroudn you

[torpid girder]

ooh ig it wouldn't really work on like snipers

[clear heath]

just charge it before you see the enemy then

[pseudo viper]

You can spam low charge Voidstrike to shove everything away from you, including Crushers

Literally you ALWAYS have time to use Voidstrike

You do not have to fully charge it my dude

It is FASTER than situational BB.

[torpid girder]

Also if anyone knows! ^^

[spice veldt]

nah; it's presumably to do with your dodges (tapping spacebar) and the i-frames you get, but people that I trust have remarked on it doing basically not much or at all

[torpid girder]

Oooh okay, tysm

[whole oxide]

yes, because that is always possible, especially when you have a spawn and 3 mutants right up your arse

[spice veldt]

i personally take it because force swords corrupted my brain with their infinite dodges and also because my points have no where better to go

[frank moat]

I swear I felt safer in hordes if I was Smite/Assail’ing with Anticipation, but maybe it was placebo

[lament ice]

is this good or crap? no idea on how crafting works or what perks are good

[pseudo viper]

All I'll say is

You can Voidstrike solo. I'm fairly certain you can't BB solo run

:3

[torpid girder]

Okay! Thoughts on this build?

[whole oxide]

nobody claimed you can solo with only BB, silly strawman

[pseudo viper]

No. But your claims are simply untrue.

They're not even a strawman, they're just not correct.

[whole oxide]

what claim do you think is untrue?

[clear heath]

Yeah there are times you can't charge stuff.
but if you couldn't find the time to charge, how did you find the time to charge brain burst?

[pseudo viper]

This make believe situation where you can't Voidstrike while under pressure.

[whole oxide]

latch, dodge-slide away

[spice veldt]

looks fine

• I'm not a fan of warp expenditure and think it's a fairly marginal source of toughness regen
• I recommend taking Kinetic Deflection for revives and chaos spawns

[clear heath]

if there's time to dodge slide around, you could charge voidstrike in that time and go in and kill

[torpid girder]

I think they're talking about the time with a window of opportunity where an enemy is exposed before they run off I think? They're talking about how brain burst latches on instantly and so from then on it doesn't matter how long it takes to actually charge i think

[pseudo viper]

Voidstrike doesn't take long to charge. The issues Ragnar seems to have, is he thinks you have to release a fully charged voidstrike. You don't. You can shoot it at no charge like the Surge staff and it'll stargger anything it hits

[torpid girder]

I'll get rid of warp expenditure and take kinetic deflection then!

[whole oxide]

exactly ^^

[pseudo viper]

Just assail it.

[clear heath]

if it's like snipers or bombers that run away, pretty sure you don't need to full charge against them to kill

[pseudo viper]

GG.

[whole oxide]

but the situation wasn't about getting chaff off from around you, it was about grabbing bombers/dogs on the other side of the station arena

[clear heath]

or just assail yeah

[pseudo viper]

Assail does that better. Dogs will come to you. Bombers just require line of sight, and Surge staff grabs everything better at that range

[torpid girder]

Okay, now all I need is a good chainsword, what does a perfect one look like?

[whole oxide]

there were plenty of situations in the run I've just finished where assail would not have been able to secure the kill, unless it was a crit+weakspot

too far out of range for LMB

[spice veldt]

for blessings, I know about Rampage + Savage Sweep/Bloodletter
I'd probably take bloodletter over savage sweep for boss DPS

[whole oxide]

not enough time for 2x RMB

[teal needle]

What are we even arguing about anyway

[torpid girder]

What about stats/dump stats?

[pseudo viper]

I don't know what you mean 'secure the kill'. This weird make believe situational stuff doesn't make it worth it. I don't care if a bomber runs off once, I care on whether or not you've brought Smite or Assail to clear hordes/specials

Not whether you can spam dodge until you run out of invinc frames while slowly channeling a insta kill move

[torpid girder]

i'm assuming the dump stat is like mobility

[frank moat]

Doesn’t matter, Psyker chat just has to be bickering about something

[half turtle]

do you generally rec deflection? i haven't really tried it since they nerfed it to stop passive peril regen

[whole oxide]

don't need assail to clear hordes

[spice veldt]

i think it's really good now that the chaos spawn exists

[pseudo viper]

No. Voidstrike or flame staff does fine. Or Smite, as I said

[spice veldt]

and if you're not running trauma, it gives you a revive tool

[pseudo viper]

BB's usage is garbo

[half turtle]

bc of the multi hit combo it does?

[spice veldt]

yeah and just ramming itself into you

[teal needle]

Someone is thinkink nasty thoughts about me again, siblink

[pseudo viper]

It's hyper specific and it's something other classes/weapons do better

[spice veldt]

and it's a fairly low-cost investment to get Kinetic Deflection

[half turtle]

if you're not running trauma

[spice veldt]

I never liked it before cuz it competed with Kinetic Shield, but I consider it an essentially free pick

[half turtle]

couldn't be me tho

[spice veldt]

tru who would ever do that

such monsters

[frank moat]

Control yourself, sibling

[half turtle]

yeah that makes sense tho

i might try it

thanks

[torpid girder]

wait, should i be using trauma over voidstrke?!

[spice veldt]

make your deflection kinetic

[whole oxide]

if you're not finding kills with BR that you couldn't get with assail, then sure, use assail, but you're not making full use of BR

[spice veldt]

voidstrike is better

[torpid girder]

aaa i'm out of plasteel

oh thank god Lol

[half turtle]

in general probably not i just like meming about it

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[spice veldt]

trauma psykers will rule this world

[worthy scaffold]

this good or nah?

[half turtle]

because i like it a lot and it's slightly more versatile imo even if it's a lot worse at straight damage

[spice veldt]

i like my melee playstyles and trauma is convenient for enabling them

[teal needle]

Voidstrike is busted but trauma is still very effective and safe.

[whole oxide]

it'll do as a stop-gap, but its not ideal

[worthy scaffold]

ik still poor so its what i have

[strong gulch]

Hadron really giving out rampage today.

[pseudo viper]

Trauma is the lovechild we wished worked. It's the Sienna cry staff that's just a worse voidstrike

Unfortunately, they're going to keep nerfing Voidstrike until Trauma is good

[torpid girder]

Time to try out this assail build

[spice veldt]

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

I don't consider trauma on the same level as vstrike, but it is not a bad staff

[pseudo viper]

Compared to what staff?

[whole oxide]

Trauma is frankly better for carrying, dps is less, but its much safer for preventing wipes

[pseudo viper]

Surge is incredible. Voidstrike is incredible. Pyro staff is a meme but can melt armored enemies if you want.

[teal needle]

Trauma is great, it's just not absurd like vs

[pseudo viper]

To choose Trauma, you're giving up better staves

[rugged halo]

surge staff is definitly better than it used to be

[spice veldt]

neither surge or purgatus are strictly better than trauma

and neither is trauma strictly better than them

[pseudo viper]

Surge is 100% better than Trauma

[spice veldt]

what is so bad about trauma to you?

[teal needle]

The only better staff than trauma is vs

[spice veldt]

I get it if you don't like to aim it, but it has infinite cleave in an AoE area

[clear heath]

I prefer surge but i still don't think this is true

[half turtle]

trauma has the best control i think

[rugged halo]

how many enemies can charged void strike kill in a single attack?

[pseudo viper]

Which you don't need.

[frank moat]

Which other blessing would you run on a Deflector Deimos? Guessing Uncanny or Unstable?

[spice veldt]

true, enemies are never ever clumped up

[pseudo viper]

If you require cleave, Pyro staff is better. If you need special no scope skills and special control, surge is better/faster. If you need death. Voidstrike is better.

[half turtle]

i think all the staves are viable in auric stg so whatever

[rugged halo]

cause my surge staff can kill some elites, ie: trapper, hound, {pox}flamer in one charges strike

[spice veldt]

if need more specialized weapons, sure, but trauma is perfectly fine even as just a stagger tool

[pseudo viper]

It's not. You don't need it.

[spice veldt]

e.g., I would appreciate Trauma on melee maelstrom

and I have appreciated it

[pseudo viper]

You're choosing to take it for no reason other than you like it

[clear heath]

I think to have any reasonable conversation about comparing staves, we kinda have to pretend voidstrike doesn't exist
shit's overtuned at the moment

[spice veldt]

Sure, that's a large reason as to why I pick it, but it has undeniable utility

[clear heath]

every conversation devolves into "okay but voidstrike will kill everything instantly"

[teal needle]

Trauma kills mixed hordes with carapace better than purg. You can spam it at your feet and become immune to melee

[spice veldt]

have you ever played melee maelstrom?

[rugged halo]

i use surge to kill elites to build up enhanced psionics charges so i can use smite

[whole oxide]

being able to put infinite crushers/bulwarks on their backs is high value in clutch situations

[half turtle]

i think trauma is definitely better at control than surge or purg

[clear heath]

surge actually does really well in melee maelstrom too

[pseudo viper]

No it's not.

[dawn wolf]

Trauma for controlling the group of 6 crushers in tandem with your team. Void to DPS them and hope everyone's gameplay is up to par.

[clear heath]

but i don't doubt trauma is great there

[pseudo viper]

Surge can control 6 crushers

I don't know what you're on about

[whole oxide]

???

[teal needle]

Lmao

[rugged halo]

i feel like we all need to get into a chat, and test each staff to see which one is ultimately the best

[dawn wolf]

I just had a game where we got 6 crushers, then bulwarks, then some maulers thrown in

[torpid girder]

I got way too used to playing ogryn now I get so confused when I instantly go down as my psyker Lol

[pseudo viper]

You spam it while having 6 warp charges

You can absolutely control groups with it

[spice veldt]

what about mixed hordes?

[strong gulch]

Max is 3 if you take the +1 from smite.

[whole oxide]

and just hope that there's nothing else aroudn those crushers

[spice veldt]

that problem still persists with surge, and even moreso nowadays

[clear heath]

surge is mainly for sniping threats when it comes to mixed hordes

[pseudo viper]

You understand you can fire it more than once, I hope

[rugged halo]

what problem?

[clear heath]

and relying on stuff like the soulblaze shriek to deal horde damage

[strong gulch]

NOPE NEVER THOUGHT IT A SINGLE TIME

[spice veldt]

not being able to deal with mixed hordes that well compared to other options

[pseudo viper]

If you're talkinga bout mixed hordes, than either Pyro staff, or Smite, or Assail has you covered.

[whole oxide]

its target limit, means it loses effectiveness in large crowds

[spice veldt]

though you can snipe priority targets with surge nowadays

[dawn wolf]

Trauma works great to make space then throw a burst of Assail out then melee a hole out then do it again

[whole oxide]

"pyro" isn't gonna control crushers

[pseudo viper]

Pyro is going to kill crushers.

So.

[spice veldt]

seems like purg isn't so great at staggering crushers anymore

[rugged halo]

ah, well thats why i use it to take down weaker elites for the psionics charges so i can use smite.

[spice veldt]

just for clarity; with or without uncanny strike?

[rugged halo]

smite has the ultimate crowd control so that rest of the squad can have easy kills

[spice veldt]

because if you say without, I hope you realize that soulblaze deals 10% damage to Carapace

[whole oxide]

not unless you're also finding time and space to stack up uncanny

[pseudo viper]

Load up the testing facility. I'll wait

[spice veldt]

with or without uncanny?

I genuinely can't tell if you're being a shitter or not

[pseudo viper]

Without.

[spice veldt]

oh no

[clear heath]

lol

[whole oxide]

rofl

gg

[frank moat]

Huh

[half turtle]

you certainly can kill crushers with purg

[teal needle]

Lmao

[clear heath]

bro it's going to do 30 damage at max soulblaze stacks

maybe not even

[half turtle]

just make sure you have a good book on hand

[whole oxide]

i look forward to your video of killing crushers with purgatus and no uncanny

[clear heath]

I'm not watching a 2 hour video bro

[teal needle]

If crushers are dying while you're hitting them with a purg staff it's because someone else is doing all the work

[half turtle]

i think there's the school of thought that goes "crushers aren't that bad if you have room" and you can just use purg to kite them out and clear everything out

[bright mica]

this fucks or nah?

blast radius seemed like a meh stat oon it

[spice veldt]

still a nice staff

[frank moat]

Because some of us have standards

[half turtle]

blue fire cool

[bright mica]

you dont play damnation do u lol

[frank moat]

And it sounds nice :3

[torpid girder]

Every time I switch off of venting shriek my leading cause of psyker deaths is blowing myself up fml 💔

[strong gulch]

😭

[bright mica]

assail can't handle hordes even at heresy

[misty plaza]

if i want this perk on another class can i surrender weapon to forge and still rebless on alt?

[spice veldt]

hordeclear isn't great but it can do that

[bright mica]

??????????

it literally doesnt reload fast enough

[whole oxide]

it isn't the best hordeclear, but it can do the job

[bright mica]

it's garbage compared to even using a catachan

[worthy spoke]

Just got this delivery from the Melkman, what are optimal changes for a gun psyker?

[torpid girder]

I feel like if you get a chainsword for horde cleave you should be fine even if u run out right?

[bright mica]

losing braincells every second im in psyker-class

[clear heath]

???

[half turtle]

yes i stopped trying wall in auric because my muscle memory is to spam stuff at 100% peril if i mean to f to maximize warp rider and soulblaze stacks

[pseudo viper]

I hate having to test things for other people.

[primal plume]

Psykers canonically wear collars. UwU

[torpid girder]

EXACTLY

[pseudo viper]

It works. Trauma is a joke.

[bright mica]

thats crazy. good thing purgatus and assail take up the same slot so you cant use both

[west smelt]

Blessings will transfer over classes, from a lvl 30 zealot to a lvl 10 Psyker/Veteran

[spice veldt]

it only needs to be sufficiently dense for you to lock up to the target limit
It doesn't have infinite cleave or anything that infinitely scales

[misty plaza]

ah ok tysm

[whole oxide]

video when

[bright mica]

he's trying to claim that its better than purgatus at horde-clear

dawg

[pseudo viper]

It's not fast, but Trauma's not killing 6 crushers fast. Only Voidstrike or surge can do that

[bright mica]

it's worse than a catachan

[pseudo viper]

And surge ignores low tier enemies if you aim at the crusher anyhow

So.

[west smelt]

It helps dissipate psyker peril among other things

[torpid girder]

Just lost in a damnation because I blew myself up 2 ft away from a medicae station LOL

[strong gulch]

Yes. Blessing unlocks are account wide. You can surrender that on psyker then put it on a knife for vet or zealot.

[bright mica]

how the fuck is it a skill issue

[whole oxide]

the difference is that trauma will also control them

[misty plaza]

poggers

[bright mica]

there is no skill to do with assail

[half turtle]

hmm trauma can kill crushers in way less time than purg though

[torpid girder]

It's okay we're all psykers and we're all friends here :)

[whole oxide]

and trauma will absolutely kill crushers faster than purg

[pseudo viper]

While you die to the hordes coming from you in all directions

The difference is purg will clear all the chaff.

[primal plume]

That PFP tho...

[pseudo viper]

Surge will have killed the crushers while keeping you mobile.

[bright mica]

no tf we're not don't group me in with assail users

[whole oxide]

waaaaa? if you're spamming out trauma the horde can't move

[pseudo viper]

Lol

[half turtle]

trauma... also controls hordes though?

[torpid girder]

wtfff this is why i didn't want to make an assail build

[pseudo viper]

Not well given it's not great peril production

[half turtle]

just hit r

[dawn wolf]

Pop trauma staff at feet for space, whip out Assail and throw a burst, then block and melee 🤷‍♂️

[half turtle]

trauma staggers guys hard enough that you have room to

[whole oxide]

it doesn't matter, you have time between casts to quell, you can sit at 90 and just cast at your feet, horde can't approach

[teal needle]

Certified joke, you got to have no idea how to use trauma if you're going down to threats from any direction with it

[pseudo viper]

Congrats. You've unlocked the psyker powers

Now you realize that smite or assail solves the problems for you

Instead of trauma

[half turtle]

i'm not saying it's the best staff but it's not throwing to use it

[pseudo viper]

Because as we all know, Trauma staff is OP and is getting nerfed all the-

Oh fucking wait

[dawn wolf]

But that doesn't feel anywhere near as complex or cool 😎

[pseudo viper]

What I"m saying isn't controversal at all, and it's been rated the lowest staff repeatedly, outside of when purg is considered worse

[spice veldt]

where tf has it been rated the lowest repeatedly

[whole oxide]

lol, by who?

[rugged halo]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[spice veldt]

it was the best generalist before the skill tree update

[pseudo viper]

Any video ever anywhere including reddit posts

[spice veldt]

oh no

[pseudo viper]

Or people bitching on Steam repeatedly about it

[whole oxide]

you're taking the opinion of people who played to lvl 20 and didn't go beyond malice, over the opinion of people here who have 1000+ hours and spent months testing stuff

[pseudo viper]

I genuinely don't see how anyone could choose Trauma as a Psyker given you can cover what it does with better staves, melee weapons, and psyker powers

No, I take the opinion of people whom do true solo runs

And not the people that have 1000+ hours because I've seen those 'opinions' on Vermintide 1 steam forums

[west smelt]

He’s an American pine marten, what can I say :)

[half turtle]

i have a decent clear rate with trauma bb on auric stg so it's definitely not that

it's definitely worse at dps than void but it's fine

[whole oxide]

before #13, if you'd asked in this channel which staff best staff, you'd have gotten about 80% response of trauma from the regulars

[pseudo viper]

K

Literally everywhere else says that's not true

But k my dude

[whole oxide]

most of the stuff you see on reddit/steam is from plebs trying out the game and levelling, where trauma does feel bad

[pseudo viper]

"Plebs"

Right.

Look dude.

[clear heath]

I tried to record how long it took to purg a crusher to death but the footage is literally 1 minute long and i can't be bothered to upload that

[pseudo viper]

Darktide is a casual community. The idea that you think 1000+ hours in this game comes even close to Dark Souls, or Vermintide 1, and sometimes 2 Cataclysm is a joke.

But hey, gatekeep away

Aurics are so hard, amirite?

[strong gulch]

If someone doesn't like a certain weapon, that's valid.

But it also doesn't have to be rationalized.

[whole oxide]

when the game's only been out a year, yeah

apples and oranges

[strong gulch]

Are people still pretty heavy in VT1??

[pseudo viper]

No. When it's been barely out a year and people can do the hardest difficulty while randomed first try

Says everything I need

[spice veldt]

we weren't saying that it's the best though

[pseudo viper]

It's really an argument for what is the worst staff

[spice veldt]

we're just saying it's not bad that that it's competitive with surge/purg

[pseudo viper]

Not really.

Run Purge and Smite.

And you have the actual best horde clear

[strong gulch]

Game difficulty isn't a signifier of quality or how much theory crafting can or has been done.

[pseudo viper]

I run smite and surge and unless its nurgle, everything is easy

[rugged halo]

ugh, an assail psyker

[strong gulch]

Like Genshin is not a hard game, but there is TONS of theory crafting.

[pseudo viper]

Genshin's still a thing, huh.

[frank moat]

I wish Darktide had maids

[strong gulch]

YUP

[rugged halo]

you know the age of consent is 18 right?

[pseudo viper]

In what country?

[acoustic osprey]

Not in Japan. Wooooo!

[clear heath]

oh no

[pseudo viper]

[whole oxide]

purgatus time to kill crusher: 1m10s
trauma time to kill crusher: 6s

they're totally equivalent

[rugged halo]

the majority of first world countries

[strong gulch]

Yeah why?

At least where I'm at it is.

[pseudo viper]

Non communist countries?

[acoustic osprey]

My mom signed my form so I could play notasbrighttide

[dawn wolf]

How old is mom? Asking for me

[rugged halo]

i did say first world countries. communist countries are obviously 2nd/3rd world at best

[acoustic osprey]

26

[pseudo viper]

You do realize that the United States has age of consent differences between states, right?

[half turtle]

i think purg would be clearly better than trauma if crushers and bulwarks were slightly less common

[pseudo viper]

Have you actually googled this? Because it sounds like you're just saying what you believe without having actually looked up whether you're right

[frank moat]

Since when is the US a first world country?

[rugged halo]

are you really debating me on what the age of consent should be? thats kinda pedo

[pseudo viper]

Since the definition of the word was made

[whole oxide]

not what it should be, just what it is

[pseudo viper]

Should be? I never said should be. That's a strawman, my dude

[rugged halo]

you're still debating me on it.

[pseudo viper]

I'm stating that you're wrong.

IT's not a debate.

[rugged halo]

it is definitly a debate.

[teal needle]

Man psyker chat is the absolute pits after 10/4

[whole oxide]

there is nothing to debate about the literal fact of laws in different countries

[pseudo viper]

No, you said something fairly inaccurate, and I informed you that you were wrong

[thorn cedar]

10-4

[strong gulch]

Please stop talking about this.

[ember horizon]

"how much cleave you want?" "Yes"

[thorn cedar]

But also that's almost all the DarkTide public channels. Gamers are a fucking breed let me tell ya.

[pseudo viper]

It's not just darktide

Souls chat is ridiculous

[half turtle]

hmm

[teal needle]

Yeah the biggest idiots were mostly in genchat and vetchat though

[half turtle]

anyways to conclude, trauma staff is cool and has some things it does better than other staves

[rugged halo]

nah

[pseudo viper]

Trauma bad, Surge gud.

[rugged halo]

trauma staff is my least favorite staff

[pseudo viper]

Purge meme

[half turtle]

even though it is not the best staff it is viable in auric stg

just like every other staff

[pseudo viper]

Everything is viable.

[whole oxide]

wdym, killing a crusher in 70 seconds is omega-busted

[pseudo viper]

Except Vets.

Vets can go home

[rugged halo]

surge/purg > voidstrike > trauma

[whole oxide]

now THAT is spicy

[pseudo viper]

I'd honestly agree, but Voidstrike players that are really good make them feel better than surge

[clear heath]

no way you put surge/purg above voidstrike

surge beats voidstrike if you can't aim (me)

[pseudo viper]

Voidstrike, despite it being insane, does require some decent aim/placement

[half turtle]

purg is definitely not better than void in most situations

[rugged halo]

i dont feel like aiming, and with void strike i have to aim alot. so yes surge purg is above voidstrike

[clear heath]

If we're talking ceiling, voidstrike any day

but i can't aim void for shit

[pseudo viper]

Purge will kill pretty much everything but the best armor incredibly fast

And for what it doesn't, you're a psyker that ltierally has other powers on him

[half turtle]

so will void tho

[pseudo viper]

Right

But void is harder to use.

[rugged halo]

did they change how trauma staff works after the update?

[half turtle]

ok that projectile is pretty fat though

[acoustic osprey]

Void got auto aim

[rugged halo]

or is it still like... area of explosion?

[pseudo viper]

Voidstrike aoe barely does damage sadly

[whole oxide]

wdym, you just look at the floor and spam void at your feet, you're literally invulnerable right

[spice veldt]

mechanically the same

just a damage bump

[half turtle]

i can't aim for shit and i can still reliably tag heads with void

[clear heath]

assail can kinda cover for the smaller enemies that are harder to aim at

[rugged halo]

surge stasff, dont care about crits. it'll one hit most lower elites and specialists in damnation

[clear heath]

so voidstrike/assail just ends up pretty braindead

[pseudo viper]

I think surge/smite is more brain dead, personally

I don't think much

[clear heath]

fair

i run surge smite as well

it's pretty braindead

[rugged halo]

it definitly is, allowing me to focus more on where the horde is around me, rather than where my shots are going

i get tunnel vision pretty easily

[pseudo viper]

Yeah. That's why I personally agree with Surge staff being better than Voidstrike, unless you're skilled.

It's like Tracer. Tracer is garbage, bruh

Unless you're gud

Check that crossgame commentary

[half turtle]

smite is fun until i'm sitting there holding down 3 disablers while my team abandons me

then it's slightly annoying

[whole oxide]

just release the cast to push them over, and stab in the face

[clear heath]

surge/smite suffers a lot against bosses tho

tfw beast of nurgle appears in a narrow hallway

[pseudo viper]

Surge does okay damage to bosses

But that's why you can have a chain sword

[clear heath]

Yeah you're better off melee against bosses

[pseudo viper]

Like. Remember. Psykers have a staff, a melee weapon that will outright murder everything if you build it right, and a psyker power

This is why I don't respect trauma

It's because you can easily fill its niche without trying

[half turtle]

stack up purg dot > enter melee > quick swap lmb every few seconds feels like the best boss dps

[whole oxide]

i don't see how you're controlling 50 elites on melee-maelstrom with anything other than trauma

[pseudo viper]

You're iether killing them with voidstrike

Or running smite

Surge can kill some of those elites as they come to you. Purge will murder all the elites when they get close

[whole oxide]

smite will only do it with the EP bug, after it won't

you'll hit peril within a few seconds

[pseudo viper]

Smite will have 125% damage bonus and will still because when you end smite, it pushes enemies over

So uh

You're wrong

Right now, go make a warp charge build

[half turtle]

smite push is neat ngl

[pseudo viper]

For Smite and try it out

It's actually not bad at all

[half turtle]

i suck at using it though

i'm still too used to old surge

[whole oxide]

smite isn't pushing over carapace/ogryns

[pseudo viper]

You keep defaulting to the single enemy type that's carapace

At which point.

[clear heath]

I don't really see much value in purg with how much good horde clear stuff we have in our talent tree tbh.
Like there's assail and also the soulblaze talents

[whole oxide]

i'm the in psykanium right now

[pseudo viper]

It will stun lock them still. So dunno what you're saying

[half turtle]

i'm excited for bb buffs actually

[whole oxide]

smite is not pushing over crushers, bulwarks, maulers, ragers

[half turtle]

it can stagger ragers i think but only 2nd stagger not butt stagger

[clear heath]

I don't really feel the need to use purg for groups when i can kill 1 enemy and scream at the crowd and every gunner just dies
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1163981232414134272/soulblaze_gunner.mp4?ex=65418cff&is=652f17ff&hm=c22a05200f66abb49ee24eb7e33ad58ede3da5c362eed3117f747132754762ab&

[whole oxide]

it gives a slight stagger for, like, half a second, it doesn't knock over

[pseudo viper]

It pushes maulers and ragers away very well

Not a half second, a good distance

Don't fucking lie

[whole oxide]

i'm literally in there now, it's on my screen

want me to upload a video?

[pseudo viper]

I'm literally in there myself right now

Go ahead

[whole oxide]

or you gonna move the goalposts?

[pseudo viper]

Nah bro

The goalpost was smite controls elites well

It literally does that because I've run Auric with warp charge son it

So I dunno what to tell you mate, except you obviously do not use it

[torpid girder]

Wooo! Only blew myself up twice this time new record

[clear heath]

it does control them well

it doesn't really push them though

[pseudo viper]

The only things it won't push are Manic armored enemies, and Crushers. However, that doesn't matter, because enemies don't immediately start moving the second you drop Smite. You have time to repeatedly purge and reuse.

With the incoming 125% damage buff, it'll be able to clear all enemies but Crushers. At which point you cans wap to surge staff

[clear heath]

oh it moves the scab ragers a little

[torpid girder]

I finally found a +21 max hp curio :O

[pseudo viper]

I've still been wondering if uh.

there's a +2 wounds. I don't think so

[torpid girder]

I think 1 is the max

Jeez, is there a way to specifically farm plasteel?

[pseudo viper]

It makes the Martyrdom thing feel off

[strong gulch]

blow yourself up for some pizzazz

[clear heath]

if there was a +2 wounds, zealots would be running with 10 wounds

would be crazy

[pseudo viper]

I think the only way I've heard that works for plasteel farming

Is low intensity damnation/heresy runs with a build that lets you explore

fast

[torpid girder]

shooottt i don't have a zealot yet

[clear heath]

low int damnation is probably the easiest plasteel farm

pretty boring though

[torpid girder]

Getting good ogryn weapons was so much easier than this

[pseudo viper]

I'm not sure how I feel about Darktide's loot system. On one hand, I like being able to craft it

[strong gulch]

I don't think I'm skilled enough for 48% warp resist fire trauma. 🙃

[pseudo viper]

On the other, mission rewards feel like garbage and isn't anywher enear as exciting as it is in Vermintide 2

[clear heath]

I think most people dislike darktides loot/crafting

[pseudo viper]

Man.

[clear heath]

It also used to be significantly worse

back in the days where every mission was just 200-300 plasteel

[pseudo viper]

Blazing Spirit doesn't apply Soul blaze on crit if the enemy dies to the cirt

I hate that.

And I don't think the patch notes said anything about fixing that interaction

[pseudo viper]

LOL

Ragnar you cute lil bafooom

You have to charge it for more than a second.

[strong gulch]

Fire still spreads and stack quickly. Though with the buff to damage, it FEELS like less fire. Haven't tested, just feels.

[pseudo viper]

Hold it on them for at least two seconds, then release

Rofl dude. You really haven't ever used Smite before, have you?

[whole oxide]

it pushes them a tiny tiny bit further, the difference is negligible

[pseudo viper]

Lol.

Not it doesn't, you lil misinformer you!

And THAT is the video you post. Cute.

[strong gulch]

You can left click to rapidly give them a light shake.

[pseudo viper]

All you have to do is keep the shock channeled for 2~ seconds and then relase, and it'll actually knock them back a fair distance

Which is also true of the Crushers

Omg

I took his fucking word for it

[whole oxide]

the point was about whether you can control 50+ elites on melee-maelstrom with it in the same way you can trauma, which, without the EP bug, you can't

[pseudo viper]

If you channel smite on a crusher for about 4 seconds, it knocks them back

Ragnar

Stop

[clear heath]

They have to begin the stagger animation first

[pseudo viper]

Spreading

Misinformation

[whole oxide]

rofl, i'm literally doing it on a crusher now, holding from 0 peril up to 90

[pseudo viper]

The dude just doesn't use it.

[whole oxide]

it doesn't move

who'se spreading misinformation?

[pseudo viper]

Hey, Json

[strong gulch]

but light little friendly shakes

[pseudo viper]

Can you try it on a crusher real quick?

I don't want to have to make a video on it

[clear heath]

idk the crusher actually isn't moving

[pseudo viper]

Hold it for like... Let me count

Six seconds

[torpid maple]

New to Psyker what builds do you guys recommend? sorry about such an open ended question, but I do like the Voidstrike staff

[clear heath]

okay i managed to get it working once

[teal needle]

Voidstrike assail is brain off endless murder

[pseudo viper]

Time to upload a video it looks like

Since Ragnar lied about stagger on everything else.

[whole oxide]

video's right there

[strong gulch]

Seems inconsistent on crushers; might be user error tho

[pseudo viper]

Given I'm making them stagger

I dunno what to tell you mate

So let me upload my video.

[whole oxide]

ahhh, so, i can get it to sometimes stagger

but it's, like, 1 time in 10

[pseudo viper]

Nevermind then

[formal acorn]

Is the illisi one of the better swords?

[analog agate]

Very good horde clear

[formal acorn]

This popped up in the shop

[pseudo viper]

I used to love Illisi

[clear heath]

yeah i did it once and i can't get it to ever happen again

[formal acorn]

@analog agate that's just what I need. I'm using the deimos currently. How is it different?

[clear heath]

If you can get it to happen 3 times in a row, there's something you know about smite that i don't

[whole oxide]

the point is, even with that stagger, you aren't going to keep 50+ elites off your team with it, unless you're using EP bug, the stagger is too short

[ember ruin]

try the devils claw, instant parry kills are best!

[pseudo viper]

Wait

Wait

Json

The point is, you can and will Ragnar

I don't trust someone that clearly don't know how to smite

But Json

How are you getting enemies to attack you ? 😮

[formal acorn]

@ember ruin which one?

[clear heath]

creature spawner mod

[pseudo viper]

Damn. That's great.

[clear heath]

i can actually spawn in and fight enemies in psykanium with it

can even let them deal damage to me

[strong gulch]

mod

[pseudo viper]

I wish that was a base feature, it'd be so helpful

[whole oxide]

this is, common knowledge

[teal needle]

Seriously lmao

[strong gulch]

It's creature spawner mod

[pseudo viper]

If you're into modding multiplayer games. My dude, don't try to recover from your mistake on Smite

[analog agate]

From the convo I have just read I have decided to not listen to supreme leader. Like, ever. His opinions are bad

[teal needle]

This dingus says he knows what the community is saying, doesn't know about the most popular mods

[torpid girder]

Do you lose all plasteel you collect on a failed mission?

[stable silo]

why does melkor only give me perfectly rolled obscurus force swords cmon now

[pseudo viper]

I'm the dingus that makes false statements about Smite? K bro

[whole oxide]

what mistake? i said it only staggered maulers for a very short time, i was right, the video's right there

[pseudo viper]

Nah, you said it didn't push them

Tut tut

[clear heath]

Well for maulers i was able to permanently loop them and have time to quell so it seems pretty reliable for them

crushers not so much

[torpid girder]

The stagger seems pretty long doesn't it? Unless i'm stupid

[zinc phoenix]

Could you two just fuck already

[teal needle]

Legit Dunning-Kruger posterboy

[stable silo]

ooh what did i miss this sound juicy i enjoy a good nerd battle that doesnt involve my Epeen size

[whole oxide]

this is what i said

[pseudo viper]

Yeah, Crushers sometimes will walk through Smite even with the bugged version

You need Surge for them to be reliable

[analog agate]

Supreme is arguing that surge smite are awesome and the best thing god has given earth. essentially. and trauma sucks

[pseudo viper]

Less that, more that Trauma was worse than Surge staff

[teal needle]

That surge and purg are better than trauma, everyone in the community and youtubers say so

[pseudo viper]

Get mad Squiggoth

I'm sorry my opinion hurts you

[whole oxide]

even if smite could equal trauma CC, which it doesn't, why only CC when you can CC+ damage ? trauma kills infinite crushers in 6 seconds

[teal needle]

I'm quite unharmed, it's just amusing how much of a dipshit you are lmao

[unique mist]

infinite crushers???

[wanton wraith]

I use surge but most people I notice have a much more difficult time pulling a clutch off with surge compared to the other staffs

[whole oxide]

it has infinite cleave, so, however many are in the area

[unique mist]

where the fuck are you getting infinite crushers from

[analog agate]

Cause you can't

[pseudo viper]

Gosh. Ad hominems now.

You're jimmies certainly seem rustled, my dude

[unique mist]

Now I want a modifier thats just oops all crushers

[whole oxide]

melee-maelstrom?

[clear heath]

Idk i find surge pretty good at clutching unless there's a monstrocity

[pseudo viper]

Yes, in this one specific instance, against INFINITE crushers, and only crushers, Trauma would be better. In that one instance. Yes

Or you could Voidstrike and end the conversation

and wonder why, again, anyone picks trauma

[unique mist]

Haven't done auric maelstrom yet unfortunately but that sounds...fun

love loading in to damnation quickplay without a scooby dooby clue what modifiers are active in each mission

[stable silo]

hey for the mk4 duel swords you want 80 dmg/80 pen right

[zinc phoenix]

Because they’re normal healthy individuals playing a game for fun

[whole oxide]

voidstrike cant' control large numbers of crushers like trauma can, the aoe is too small, and to knock them over you need a fully charged alt

[pseudo viper]

My opinion is that Surge and Purge have good purposes, as does Void. Void does what Trauma does but better. My original statement was mostly that in order for Trauma to be good, voidstrike has to be nerfed into the ground

Which isn't fun design

[clear heath]

just kill the crushers in one hit

ez

[zinc phoenix]

Simply decapitate them all simultaneously

[neat summit]

Lol I was gonna say… doesn’t crit void just blow through all of the crushers and insta kill them?

[pseudo viper]

It controls them by murdering them and being able to spam

[whole oxide]

no? it has a target limit

[unique mist]

It does not have that high pen

[zinc phoenix]

It’ll be good when they remove surge blessing

[unique mist]

pretty sure it explodes on crushers

[unique mist]

dont you dare

[clear heath]

yeah you won't actually be able to kill them all at the same time

[teal needle]

VS is certainly overtuned

[pseudo viper]

VS isn't overtuned. I see people pick Purge and Surge quite often in games

VS is only 'overtuned' when it compares to Trauma

[zinc phoenix]

Make Void Shit Again

[pseudo viper]

Trauma shouldn't be made useful by nerfing VS

[whole oxide]

mate, people pick anything and everything, for luls

[pseudo viper]

Well

[unique mist]

for me to use trauma, it needs some targeting improvements. It feels so clunky and stupid to use, at least from the very small amount of time I used it when I got it

[pseudo viper]

If you can pickthose staves and have an easy time in Auric

[teal needle]

I'm so glad nobody cares about this idiots opinion lol

[pseudo viper]

Then all staves are fine I guess

Move on

[clear heath]

voidstrike is definitely overtuned

[pseudo viper]

You seriously need to stop taking my opinions personally and throwing insults

[acoustic osprey]

Kiss and make up

[teal needle]

Belittling you is the opposite of taking you seriously

[robust drift]

which one is the preferred dueling sword?

[stable silo]

mk4

[pseudo viper]

It's against the community rules. Please go re-read them m8

[stable silo]

and i think theb lessings are precog and riposte

[pseudo viper]

I'll assume you're a teen and not used to socializing

[unique mist]

Theres no need to throw insults, its a fucking video game

[zinc phoenix]

Broke: uses god rolled perfect spec void
Woke: smite surge
Bespoke: trad gunker

[stable silo]

perks are crit chance and flak prob

[wanton wraith]

Void damage is overtuned in terms of damage, but hell it's fun to use

I personally like assail more just hope they dont nerf the regen and just damage so I can still use it against nonclothed boys

[whole oxide]

its just very funny, all day people coming in here since patch, making very confident statements about how stuff works, on the basis of playing for a few days, when quite clearly wrong

[unique mist]

I like that they made secondary fire more distinct for assail

[unique mist]

guilty as charged

[zinc phoenix]

REEE ASSAIL REEE

[stable silo]

i dont make statements i spit fax the best weapon hands down is the mk4 tac axe literally run no other weapon it one shots demonhosts

[pseudo viper]

Like your statements on Smite not pushing?

[zinc phoenix]

at least we have a final answer on the question of “is assail op”

[pseudo viper]

I dunno what to say mate. Look in the mirror

[teal needle]

Literally pathetic

[whole oxide]

go and find the quote where i said smite doesn't push

[zinc phoenix]

The devs say the answer is assail is op

[pseudo viper]

Make another video on it Ragnar

[zinc phoenix]

Blessed devs

[pseudo viper]

Because that's what I'm talking about

You 'showcasing' how it didn't push maulers

[clear heath]

think he meant this

[unique mist]

you wouldn't be saying that if you tried out voidstrike primary fire against demonhosts. Yes, plural. It will oneshot multiple at a time. Once again, that is voidstrike primary fire, best weapon in the game

[whole oxide]

"pushing over" is not the same as "pushing"

[clear heath]

oh right

[pseudo viper]

Except you showed video 'evidence' of it not even pushing and said as much

[long wharf]

void primary isn't one-shotting any boss

[pseudo viper]

So.

Kinda a goof, right?

[wanton wraith]

Haha hes being satire about the one shot

[unique mist]

its literally better than thunder hammer

[zinc phoenix]

That’s why you bring gunlugger, for when you need shit done ✅

[long wharf]

oh absolutely, stubber ogryn is my favorite ogryn right now

[whole oxide]

did I? go and find the quote

oh, you can't

[pseudo viper]

I certainly haven't gotten void strike to one shot a boss. How on earth?

[stable silo]

guys if i gave you 3 pictures of dueling swords can you mathematically work out which one has the best base stats even though they were within a difference of 1-2%

[zinc phoenix]

I wish I could smite morons

[unique mist]

its easy, you just need this external program and...

[zinc phoenix]

Dearest mods bless me with the power to ban

And I will make of this discord an oasis of peace

[stable silo]

if u strike me down il rise up harder and stronger than before

[teal needle]

I support this initiative, please release me from my torment

[unique mist]

of course. Its the one with the lowest base stats.

[pseudo viper]

Here. After posting a video of the mauler flinching

[whole oxide]

where in that line does it say that they aren't pushed?

[zinc phoenix]

Ah yes, the 🅱️enis approach to self defense

[pseudo viper]

I'm arguing the core of your statement, not the semantics

You literally showed a video where maulers do not get pushed

[whole oxide]

no, youre making up things i said and arguing against that

[pseudo viper]

Nah

You posted a video of Smite not doing what I said it did

Yet misused smite in it

Don't even.

[stable silo]

pray to the emp that one of these gits good

[long wharf]

the 🅱️emperor 🅱️albatine Defense

[thorny oyster]

What will the best psyker weapons be after the update?

[long wharf]

dueling sword mk4, hands down

it won't even be close

[whole oxide]

here's a fun little test for you, install creature-spawner mod so you can fight stuff in psykanium, and fight 10 crushers at once, see which staff is easiest

[teal needle]

Can't believe they're buffing dueling sword again haha

[stable silo]

thats why i dropped 2 million ordo dockets

and those 3 are literally all i got

dam my amazing illis and deimos nerf swords

[thorny oyster]

What about ranged ?

[pseudo viper]

If it's only 10 crushers, I'd go with surge

Crushers are only dangerous mixed into massive hordes, as you know

[whole oxide]

well, i look forward to your video of that

[pseudo viper]

Thanks, but I'll just go do more Aurics instead of wasting my time.

Are you seriously debating whether surge staff can kill crushers? That's a bit bizarre.

[whole oxide]

whether its better for fighting a large number of crushers at once, yes

[frank moat]

Are these two still on this

[pseudo viper]

Ragnar is focused on crushers.

[whole oxide]

i'm doing it right now, it's do-able, but it's significantly more work than trauma

[pseudo viper]

Because he knows only Crushers are a problem to purge/smite

Honestly, I find auto aim less work.

I mean that, genuinely

Trauma is definitely better against crushers only during a horde though. I think you're weakning your argument

[whole oxide]

not during a horde, just 10 crushers on their own

[stable silo]

im loving this

let them cook

[clear heath]

I tried it on surge and it's like a minute long

[harsh urchin]

Ragnar at it again

Lololol

[pseudo viper]

How?

[clear heath]

I think i suck too much with trauma to do it on trauma tho

[pseudo viper]

I three shot crushers with my surge staff

[clear heath]

Try doing it while they're trying to kill you

and don't start attacking until you get in swinging distance. Doing it from far away is cheating

[pseudo viper]

No it's not. That's literally what the surge staff has on Trauma lol

You can snipe out ranged units, demos, and shit over hordes

[torpid girder]

is the argument still going onnn?

[clear heath]

Listen, if we're just testing dps with no threat of death, trauma will do better dps against them in hallways where they're grouped up

a pure dps test is just going to come down to how spread they are

[pseudo viper]

Listen, this wasn't the argument

[clear heath]

what i really wanna know is what's easier to actually fight them with

[pseudo viper]

Trauma is directly compariable to Voidstrike. Void strike does what it does better.

What I said was with surge staff and smite, you can out control everything trauma does

ANd do things it cannot

[whole oxide]

videos are uploading now, will take a while

but

for reference

[torpid girder]

How good is this chainsword? I'm assuming kinda bad since shredder shouldn't be a dump stat

[pseudo viper]

Is any chainsword actually bad?

[glad meadow]

i really disappointed with assail
I know it is kinda like magic missile, but it doesn't really feel like Warhammer to me

[whole oxide]

against 10 crushers, the trauma video is 25s, the surge video is 1m10s, the void video is a clusterfuck because can't control them all without getting hit

[glad meadow]

also it look very uncool

[pseudo viper]

My dude.

Ragnar.

You've shifted the goal post to something I never argued for. The biggest example was six crushers that I defnded, aying Surge could handle/control/ kill that just fine during fights

I've had great use of it in Auric

[clear heath]

my surge is roughly 54 seconds, although mine does have cara damage on it

[pseudo viper]

For hordes and mass units, I spoke of Smite

Crushers make up a small percentage of elites and specials

Ima need you to stop using it as the break point

Because in that case, Voidstrike is STILL BETTER

[torpid girder]

Sooo, is that chainsword good? I assume shredder is like one of the stats you REALLY don't want to be bad

[whole oxide]

frankly, 10 crushers as a test-case is being kind to void/surge, because its less targets

[clear heath]

I have no doubt trauma would outdps in any case where they're grouped up. That's kinda the whole point of trauma

[terse rivet]

void can collateral 5 crushers

[pseudo viper]

Trauma is bad because it directly compares against Voidstrike, and the other staves+powers does what it does but better.

[clear heath]

trauma does really well in corridors and chokepoints

[pseudo viper]

Ragnar thinks he's being 'kind' to surge

[terse rivet]

traumas aiming system is horrible

[pseudo viper]

I'd like nhis trauma staff to function then against several gunners, a demo, a dog, and a mutant

[clear heath]

yeah i suck at aiming the thing

[pseudo viper]

Because surge can handle that just fucking fine

[whole oxide]

crushers with nothing else around is literally surge's best scenario

[pseudo viper]

Nay bro

[pseudo viper]

Summon two gunners, a mutant, dog, and demo

[terse rivet]

I would rather it put the aoe directly where I am aiming rather than me have to look up into the sky to make it hit at distance

[clear heath]

surge's best scenario is actually against gunner swarms

[pseudo viper]

Go try your trauma staff vs surge staf fon that

Bro

Crushers make up the smallest percent of units in the game

Ima need you to stop pretending

[ebon jolt]

Ideal mk5 combat axe blessings? Assuming brutal momentum is one.

[terse rivet]

Why are you guys even having this arguement. Yes voidstrike is the best staff my a large margin in basically every single scenario other than spread out horde clear where the purgatus staff wins

but man

does it get stale as fuck running void staff every single game

[pseudo viper]

I don't think Voidstaff is the best. I think it's really good, and exceptional (high skill ceiling) in the right hands. I think purge and Surge are also functionally great for what they do, with certain builds

I think Trauma is just not great, and to be 'good' requires VS nerfs

[terse rivet]

no buddy voidstaff is unarguably the best staff in every category except for some niche categories

its not debateable

[clear heath]

I tend to disregard lack of player skill as a argument for comparing weapons.
If we're assuming the player can aim voidstrike well, it has way more carry potential than all the other staves

[terse rivet]

they need to buff the other staffs or rework a few

[pseudo viper]

Voidstaff doesn't kill as fast due to aim and being a projectile. Surge is literally a hit scan weapon

So ima need you to sit down and relax

[teal needle]

Just scroll up bruh you'll find some hilarious opinions for like 2 hours at this point

[terse rivet]

brother

surge has like a 30m range

[pseudo viper]

Yes, it hits everything but snipers

[terse rivet]

you can collateral like 15 gunners down a line with voidstrike

[clear heath]

voidstrike can wipe hordes and one shot crushers

[pseudo viper]

If they're lined up appropriately, sure

[terse rivet]

you can hit snipers with the primary fire

[pseudo viper]

Everyone has a primary fire

[terse rivet]

but you talking about surge like it's even comparable to void is just massive copium huffing

[pseudo viper]

Not really. It stuns, has clutch abilities, and is hit scan instant kill

I think that gives it plenty of purpose

[terse rivet]

in what scenario

other than mutants

is that stun more benificial than insta killing something

[spice oar]

yall arguing about smthn that will be nerfed and changed around bare in mind

[terse rivet]

they slightly reduced the damage on the voidstrike which isnt even the broken part

[pseudo viper]

In scenarios where certain high tier enemies are apart enough that voidstrike can't one shot them with its far slower charge

[terse rivet]

in the next patch

dude you dont even need to full charge to one shot thing with voidstrike

[stable silo]

dam bricked

[pseudo viper]

K? It's still significantly slower in all charged modes

[fading patrol]

Voidstrike is currently the best staff no contest
Just slap true aim and surge blessing and go to town

[chrome patrol]

does someone know around when the patch will hit?

[pseudo viper]

I mean

You're arguing a hit scan weapon versus a projectile