psyker-class

[potent echo]

Yea I mean like if you have nth

[vagrant frigate]

thats nuts

200 to 250

[young zinc]

for deimos ya want as much single target damage as possible, so maybe unstable power instead, but I havent tested how that compares to slaughterer

[coarse sequoia]

ty

[vagrant frigate]

slaugh nerfed into the ground

used to be king

[young zinc]

its still good just not automaticly the best anymore

[vagrant frigate]

well yeah

other things got buffed

just run a shovel smh

[young zinc]

bloodthristy is still busted as hell in Illisi tho

[potent echo]

Vraks Mk VII Headhunter Autogun

● Ammunition (0%, 80% Ammo Stat):

○ Magazine: 25, 33 to 15, 23.

○ Reserve: 200, 264 to 120, 184.

● Base Damage (0%, 80% Damage Stat):

○ 100, 180 to 150, 270.

● Armour Modifiers (near, far):

○ Unyielding: 80%, 60% to 60%, 50%.

[vagrant frigate]

i thought it was 200 to 250

150 to 270 holy fucking shit

thats like 40%

[potent echo]

It's 50% damage increase compared to this patch

[vagrant frigate]

damn

[young zinc]

gonna need unyeilding damage now tho

[potent echo]

Imagine free 50% maniac

Probably unyielding maniac now

Flak begone

[young zinc]

also purge the unclean on zealot

[potent echo]

Is that getting changed?

[young zinc]

no

afawk

[potent echo]

Oh then it's still bonkers

[young zinc]

it could get changed but its not in the proposed chat notes

patch

[potent echo]

Maybe the patch notes arent real either

[young zinc]

no those are really from FS

[potent echo]

Yea but it's still tentative

[young zinc]

oh okay yeah

[potent echo]

They could just not make those changes

Also no clue when patch14 is dropping either

And if they would include vet rework with it

I assume so

[young zinc]

what catfish said makes to seem like thats gonna be patch 15, 14 is a quick balance patch

[steel flame]

seems a little odd they would do a vet rework right after doing a whole class rework.....

[young zinc]

they planned for vet to have capstones but they werent able to finalize them before the rel;ase date of patch 13

[fresh crater]

vets are bitching bad about their capstones and shit not being good enough

[idle marten]

given the new changes and the class rebalance i picked psyker up again who does Scriers Gaze play like has anyone really tried it out?

[young zinc]

its nuts with weapons that do well with crits like revolver

you just one shot everything

[steel flame]

and laspistol COUGH

[idle marten]

so its more of a gunpsyker kinda thing?

[young zinc]

no it works with staffs too

part of why voidtsrike is breaking the agme wide open rn

[steel flame]

you can run staves but it auto generates peril so its better on somthing like peril transfer voidstrike

[young zinc]

yeah ya have less uptime

[steel flame]

or crit m1 spam surge

really wish surge had peril transfer......or SURGE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[clear heath]

imagine surge with surge

[delicate dove]

unlimited powa

[steel flame]

id fucking love it cause it would double the dps of the already rediculous m1 spam

[clear heath]

waiting for the day they give surge staff blazing spirit

tfw crit staff has no on-crit effects

[steel flame]

they are too much of cowards to give us that power

[young zinc]

is suurge worth running on trauma?

[steel flame]

absolutly not

only works on the m1 cause they hate fun

[young zinc]

oh

[steel flame]

and it would kinda.....push trauma waaaaay over the edge if it worked like that

[idle marten]

yea this is what im currently rocking weapon wise

[steel flame]

but id rather it just not have it then have to dream of the whatifs

[young zinc]

id swap out exorcist

[steel flame]

would be better off with slaughter

[idle marten]

keep in mind this stuff was made before the class rebalance

[steel flame]

......would HAVE BEEN better off with slaughter

[idle marten]

i had all the classes at 30 for the peneace and just now getting back into Psyker so

[steel flame]

there....past tense

[idle marten]

there we go lmao

Scriers Gaze was the skill that peeked my interest in Psyker again so wanted to know what kinda build id need for it lmao

[young zinc]

guns that crit hard, or voidstrike if you are okay with invalidating your teammates lol

[idle marten]

thats fair lmao

[steel flame]

this is what ive been obsessed with as of late after the patch now that laspistol got the crit perks it always deserved

[delicate dove]

I've never been able to seriously use any staff but voidstrike, too good, too fun

[young zinc]

surge does a similar thing for VS but like, actualy balanced

[steel flame]

still need a better base laspistol to put dumdum and infernus on but i just got dumdum after searching for 6 months so at least the hard part is done

[idle marten]

i originally picked the surge staff for the CC and Lightning is coolest imo

[steel flame]

surge murder the things now

[young zinc]

yeah but it doesnt have the infinite range or horde clear or the same stupid one shot ogryns poential

[idle marten]

i did hear something about the surge staff using the Smite augments there any truth to that?

[delicate dove]

the palpatine lighting is more fun than the staff imo, but obvi you can't kill with it

[young zinc]

you can kill hordes with it, but its main thing is support

[steel flame]

yes, more fatshark spagetti code

[idle marten]

ah yep that clears it up lmao

[steel flame]

basically the same thing that is causing the infinite smite bug

'

[spice oar]

Not yet anyways

[steel flame]

stuff is calling on the same things by accident

maybe one day fatshark will be able to get their spagetti straightened out

but today is not that day

[spice oar]

Oh I hope they don't remove surge using the smite talents I thought that was a fun idea

[young zinc]

tbh, and im saying this as someone who has high level gear on physker, assail is really fucking annoying with play alongside, not cuz of the direct kill stealing but rather that it fucks up your headshots due to all the stagger

[idle marten]

for referance this is my talent tree not sure if its good but its what ive been rocking for the past few days

[steel flame]

its hard to tell what is intentional and what is a bug anymore

[spice oar]

Grab the crit chance aura instead of the cooldown one, gaze comes up fast enough on its own

[steel flame]

might be better off taking scrier toughness damage reduction over the extra toughess node

peril generation reduction node i mean

[spice oar]

That too

[idle marten]

with switching to the Crit rate aura i gain a point so i just slap that into the gaze toughness node since i have the peril node already

[hard solstice]

I've been trying to make the infinite smite bug work and... I'm sure its just me, but it feels terrible. I've played with people doing it to amazing effect, but when I try it, it feels like my smite doesn't jump to nearly as many targets (even though I've taken the perk for +1 jumps) and some enemy that isn't getting stunlocked by smite will always either shoot me and interrupt my smite, or just attack me from anywhere that isn't right in front of my face, and be completely unaffected by smite and get to interrupt me. So far assail seems way more OP than this so called bug. Any idea what I'm doing wrong / how to make smite work?

[young zinc]

this literaly applies to everything, but positioning, postioning, positioning

[idle marten]

my brother has had amazing usage for the unlimited smite bug its freaking funny watching 5 rushers 2 Muties and a massive horde all doing the stanky leg

its saved us a bunch too lmao

[young zinc]

oh yeah, even without unltimited duration a whole room stunlocked and taking +10% damage is nuts

[hard solstice]

yeah ive played with psykers who make damnation runs child's play with this bug, but every time I try it I get to use smite for all of 3 seconds before something across the room shoots me once and welp there goes an empowered psionics charge for nothing

I also don't understand how my smites don't seem to chain to nearly as many targets as I see others getting. You want to lmb cast right? That's the more "more targets but less damage" cast, correct?

[idle marten]

yea when i play my brother i play Taunt Ogryn so nothing touches him so i guess that leads a bit more to the success tbh

[young zinc]

also, again, POSIZTIONING

[idle marten]

right click is the more targets while left click is the dps one

[hard solstice]

ohhhh so you actually want to use the right click charge up one. I had it backwards, that will help immensely then. If I can chain to as many targets as the psykers I've played with, I'll have much less problem getting pushed by trash that isn't getting stunlocked like I expect it to

[young zinc]

just remeber to not form bad habits with the unltimited bug, ya need to learn when and were to lock everything down

[hard solstice]

fair enough, although honestly I just want to exploit the bug for mat farming until it's patched. Post patch I plan to go assail

[idle marten]

yep that and the bug aint gonna be here for much longer so dont get used to it lmao

[young zinc]

if ya wanna mat farm just play gun lugger ogryn with heavy stubber and flame ammo

you wrek everything

[hard solstice]

haven't played much ogryn, will have to try that

[young zinc]

dude, if you get a grog heavy stubber with + unveilding, charmed reload, and blaze away or cleaseless baraage, your set

its STUPIDLY powerful

[idle marten]

as a bone'ead meself me big gun farm the pastel all day

[young zinc]

bring a MKIII cleaver so ya dont have to waste ammo on hordes

[spare light]

any opinions on this one?

[idle marten]

or a shield if youre into more CC then dps but if youre in melee you might as well bring the cleaver instead so i guess thats your answer...

[spare light]

I'm actually running shield with the most left tree, feels quite fun to use

[young zinc]

thats a good base stat roll and chattering impact is zlways good on the grenade launchers

[spare light]

also, how does this blessing work?

[young zinc]

if you stagger something and then hit that thing again you do +5 damage

+5%

[spare light]

Oh I see

thanks

oh my fucking god I just realised I'm talking in the psyker class

[young zinc]

tbh its not a great blessing

lol

[spare light]

I look like a fool

[young zinc]

its fine lol

just stay out of vet chat, poeple as assholes in there

and I say that as a vet main

[idle marten]

^ true

100% true

[bold maple]

when is patch 14 hitting

lookin forward to my smite buff

[idle marten]

from what i konw not for like a week i think but i dont really pay attention to release dates of patches

could be longer

[kind jay]

Next Week™️

[spare light]

Why is that?

[warped snow]

Assail psyker build?

[young zinc]

idk man they just are

[spice veldt]

grab these nodes, and the rest is whatever you feel like

oh, and Empowered Psionics for maximum spamming

[spare light]

I prefer warp charges tbf

but it's personal preference I guess

Any trauma staff users here btw?

[spice veldt]

my problem with warp charges is that it's a 9-point investment, and you have to spend your points into Puppet Master and Solidity which are both "meh" picks

with this, it'll be a 7-point investment (warp rider doesn't count because only insane people don't take it)

[spare light]

I feel when I use empowered psionics I barely even see it, maybe I spam assail too much

I guess you pair it with Voidstrike?

[spice veldt]

EP also leaves out another effect that it doubles the target limit of a shard

prolly, but I personally don't use voidstrike cuz I dislike the feeling of voidstrike

[cursive trout]

If you're spamming assail more than usual then you're doing it right

[spice veldt]

I just run a blazing spirit trauma and then I shard and duel all over the heretics

EP also bumps the weakspot multi to 2.2x instead of 1.9x, and the crit-weakspot multi to 2.9x instead of 2.5x

so not as bad as an option as it seems

[spare light]

I do like the peril generation reduction from warp charges

[spice veldt]

true

[spare light]

and the damage increase from all sources is nice

[spice veldt]

I run a build with minimal peril gen since I only whip out the trauma for crushers/bulwarks and just spam click LMB with assail

[spare light]

I'm just trying to move away from assail tbf

But Smite is so.. underwhelming?

Not bad, just, underwhelming

and BB, well, Void does more damage

[spice veldt]

when i'm gunking it up, i pretty much just use assail as a get-out-of-jail-free card

revolver and dclaw can't handle the game? time to shard so that I don't lose the game

[spare light]

Same

[fresh reef]

Man
I ran the max toughness build as a meme why the hell is it genuinely effective as fuck

[spice veldt]

HELL YEAAAAH WOOOO TOUGHNESS BABEEEEEEEEEE

we are innovators beyond our time

[spare light]

I guess I should be using a duel sword since the force sword is getting nerfed

[fresh reef]

I keep thinking its because Void is overtuned but the more I play it it's really.. not that bad?

[vagrant frigate]

its so fun

[spare light]

the MK4 is the most preferred one right?

[vagrant frigate]

yeah

[fresh reef]

Like, it still relies on headshots. It's carapace damage is a bit silly but that's kinda it

[spice veldt]

yeah you essentially trade some toughness for a damage buff (keystones)

but at the same time, the damage buff is whatever if you're not reaching a breakpoint

[fresh reef]

I was wrong to hate Void as much as Assail?

[spare light]

well seeing as I can crit 3K on a brawler, idk

[fresh reef]

Ah, right, surge

Surge is also quite silly

[shadow wigeon]

The damage is just too high - and against all enemy types, at unlimited range, at almost no peril. You can solo with Void too easily, your only weakness is getting surrounded, and psyker has wats to deal with that.

[spare light]

I'm quite happy with my void tbf

[vagrant frigate]

@spice veldt perfected the gunker build, every point is perfect now

i was running surge because i didnt want to re-do points lol

[spice veldt]

purloin grindset

[vagrant frigate]

now i have BB on hit and also elite kill = soul blaze

[fresh reef]

Fair enough. Do you think the damage nerfs it's receiving are fair or should more be done?

[vagrant frigate]

which will help breakpoints

i hit 1299 a lot on some dudes

[spare light]

What are some good blessings/perks for MK4 duel?

[vagrant frigate]

uncanny is must
rampage, shred, precog, riposte

maniac damage

[spice veldt]

riposte also works since it lasts 6 seconds

[shadow wigeon]

I don't think the number in patch is enough, TBH, or they have to add some specific constraint as well, like dont make it weak to carapace.

[spice veldt]

other perks prob work, but these are the ones I know of

For perks, you can pick among +Carapace/+Crit Chance/+Maniac/+Unyielding. For the below results, assume that you have Warp Rider taken (which gives +10% damage at 0% peril).

• +Carapace ensures a deterministic two-shot (both weakspots) on Maulers with max Uncanny Strike stacks. If you have a nearly perfect 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/pen Duelling Sword (or you have a little bit of peril for Warp Rider), then a weakspot & critical weakspot will two-shot a Crusher with max Uncanny Strike stacks.
• +Crit Chance helps with crits for some one-shot breakpoints and the aforementioned Crusher two-shot. It is admittedly a small bonus, but it is generally applying. For gambling addicts.
• +Maniac helps with reaching a Mutant one-shot with at least 2 Uncanny Strike stacks (or with a crit).
• +Unyielding is for boss DPS and the like.

[snow coral]

Seem slike a good base to start with? to bad one of the blessings isn't a 4

[fresh reef]

I'd honestly be fine if they gave it old trauma levels of Peril generation but kept the damage around the same

[vagrant frigate]

gambling addicts

me

[spare light]

this is the MK4 I have right now

[vagrant frigate]

crit = ranged imunity though so its even better than u say

[silver portal]

Anyone have psyker drip?

[shadow wigeon]

Perhaps, but it's schtick was always low peril, so it would be a shame to lose that. Sure, a peril constraint so you have to actually be selective about targets.

But then it's like Trauma, but unlimited range again.

Although Trauma is very strong now with the rending rework

[silver portal]

Hmm yess drippy

[fresh reef]

Rending rework?

Like the blessing or the status effect?

[shadow wigeon]

The effect. Rending was much more limited pre-patch.

[spare light]

I'm still having issues finding a reason to use a trauma when I could just use a void

[vagrant frigate]

even the gun is drippy

[spice veldt]

trauma is nice for occasionally enabling melee

[shadow wigeon]

Well, Void is just busted, so it's not going to compare well right now.

[silver portal]

Anyone have the body drip from before this update? Didn’t get to see it

[spice veldt]

you can use it as your main DPS, but I don't really care for using it as my main weapon, so I use it topple elite patrols and then stabby stab with the mk4

[vagrant frigate]

which?

[spice veldt]

and then perilous combustion + uncanny strike does the work from there

[silver portal]

I dunno what name is but it has spikey mask from what someone said

[vagrant frigate]

this?

[spice veldt]

+Rending% contributes an additive effect to your armour damage modifiers now.
If your attack deals 20% damage to Carapace, then +50% rending means that your attack now deals 70% damage to carapace.

If your attack deals 100% or more damage to an armour type, then every 1% of rending contributes to your armour damage modifiers at a reduced effectiveness of 1/4ths. So, if your attack deals 100% and you had +100% rending, you would deal 125% damage instead.

The caveat to all of this is that rending% does not affect the Unarmoured or Infested armour types. (On the other hand, it affects the 4 other armour types)

[silver portal]

That come with spikey mask?

[shadow wigeon]

it did, yes

[vagrant frigate]

i dont remember

[silver portal]

I cry

[vagrant frigate]

what is the spikey mask?

[silver portal]

Dunno but i wanted to get that body lol

[fresh reef]

Interesting. So does that mean that a Rending Shockwave trauma results in a team wide dps increase against monstrosities?

[vagrant frigate]

the body has no gloves so it grosses me out ngl

didnt realize til i bought it

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, and almost everything.

[vagrant frigate]

krieg has gloves so its playable lol

[silver portal]

I got cool hand tattoos

[spice veldt]

ye; albeit +10% extra to their adm if they already deal 100% unyielding or more dmg

[fresh reef]

Still, that's something

[shadow wigeon]

if you even tickle something with your trauma circle now they are getting the debuff.

[fresh reef]

Gonna try running my old Shockwave trauma with the toughness build

[silver portal]

Wish they gave psyker weapons other than staves

Like some other psyker weapon

Not force swords either

[fresh reef]

You have force push on the laspistol that isn't enough for you?????

[spare light]

what's a good dump stat for the MK4 duel?

[silver portal]

Bruh it same power as smack with knife

Weak force push

[spice veldt]

For stats, Damage and Finesse are what you primarily care about.

• Cleave Damage only scales Unarmoured and Infested (it doesn't scale Flak because it's bugged)
• Penetration only scales Carapace (it doesn't scale Flak because it's bugged). With max Uncanny Strike stacks up, an 80% Penetration MK4 DS will only deal 1.068x more damage to Carapace than a 0% Penetration DS.
• Mobility is mobility.
  They do matter, but you're not losing out on too much if they're low.

[vagrant frigate]

las pistol has force push?

[fresh reef]

Arco had that shit ready, God damn

[silver portal]

Yea

It weak af tho

[vagrant frigate]

ITS BUGGED?

[vagrant frigate]

i just sold a perfect one but it had low pen

:(

[spice veldt]

penetration still scales carapace but it's ultimately whatevs cuz UNCANNY STRIIIIIKE

[vagrant frigate]

why is damage so important if 70% is 59 damage and 80% is 60 damage

[spare light]

guess I'll keep the rank 1 precog and just put other perks on it?

[spice veldt]

cuz the rest can be patched up by uncanny strike

i don't know breakpoints so you might as well have it high

[vagrant frigate]

i wish this didnt have rampage locked i am so mad

i want shred uncanny

gotta settle for this

[primal radish]

is it just me or does mobility stack from revolver and combat blade? first time trying both and i move so fast

[silver portal]

What skin is that?

[shadow wigeon]

weapon customization mod

[silver portal]

Ah

[shadow wigeon]

One day there will be an official way to do it.

[lyric burrow]

hopefully

given the mods framework is from the games files itself

[fresh reef]

The official way is to spend money

[lyric burrow]

id imagine they wont just not use it

[shadow wigeon]

I mean, those emblem decorations... 100% look like theyll charge $ for

[fresh reef]

I hope and I pray that they just split up the existing weapon skins into various parts

[shadow wigeon]

that looks like Aquila material to me

[fresh reef]

Also fatshark please give us more colors than just red and blue

[shadow wigeon]

Have you seen the stuff coming out of the texture recolor mod?

[brazen warren]

I have been using a chain sword on my soulblaze smite build, and it is great for long distance mobility from rev it up

rev the engine, zoom away

[shadow wigeon]

It is a great generalist weapon. People should try it more. It plugs a lot of gaps in any build, and has fun blessings like rev. It's quite strong, too.

[brazen warren]

having it not blow my head off when I need a burst of single target damage is a plus compared to force sword too

1 less thing to juggle

decent boss damage too

[spare light]

Is it me, or is nigh impossible to carry group on Damnation while a Psyker?

[kind jay]

it's hard but not impossible

[spice veldt]

you can do it if you run meta

[snow coral]

are both dueling swords pretty comparable for what they do with the heavy attacks, etc? I've noticed the IV is more of a stab while the V is more slashing

[spice veldt]

except for when a boss is on the field and you don't have any boss damage

[spice veldt]

currently, the duelling swords are fucked because they didn't properly buff the other two duelling swords

so the MK4 is just straight up better for now

[snow coral]

the other two? I thought there were only two?

[spice veldt]

here is a comparison between their heavies

[snow coral]

ah, that's unfortunate because the roll on my V is so much better than the roll on my 4

[spice veldt]

three of them-- MK2, MK4, and MK5

they'll presumably get their proper buffs in the next patch, whenever it comes

[snow coral]

oh geez, ok

[unique mist]

Arc must have posted that image bout a hundred times now

[snow coral]

lol, I haven't been on much so I've missed it

[spice veldt]

i expect people to be confused by fatshark patches and the ridiculousness that only one variant was properly buffed

[snow coral]

Too bad, here's the ones I have, I guess I'll hold onto the V hoping it gets the proper treatment and move the uncanny 4 to it

[pallid elbow]

I calculated voidstrike vs crusher damage. Almost 2 times harder than before regarding 20% HP buff TT. BB is better maybe?

[unique mist]

oh hey i missed the patch notes

BB buff, assail change, smite buffs, shield buffs, soulstealer, perilous combustion and kinetic presence nerfs, prescience buff

why kinetic presence and perilous combustion nerfs?

[kind jay]

cause fun is bad

[strong gulch]

I read "perilous combustion nerf" and thought of a sad Arco.

[deft osprey]

How to survive long as a psyker? There aren't many survivability perks for psyker I think and I find myself going down quite a bit even though I'm sticking close to my team

[unique mist]

idk if you and i are playing the same game but uhhh psyker has some of the best toughness regen perks in the game

[viscid matrix]

i think you mean assail buff, its got double damage on the secondary, if played right, it will shred everything

[unique mist]

well primary got nerfed and secondary buffed so that is a "change"

[obtuse moth]

lots of survivability perks on psyker, but it sounds like you probably have no strategy for dealing with enemies in melee range

[unique mist]

also secondary costs like 25% peril so

[strong gulch]

Is it melee or ranged that's got you?

[unique mist]

if enemeis are in melee range you pull out assail

[viscid matrix]

Secondary, tap quell, secondary

if you are playing properly, that 25% is meaninless

[unique mist]

if enemies are outside of melee range you pull out assail

just keep throwing assail shards and you will never die

[strong gulch]

Psyker now has access to a bunch of toughness passives, but if enemies eat through that you don't have much margin for error.

[deft osprey]

Mostly in melee range

[strong gulch]

If you can get the creature spawner mod, you can practice specifically what you're having issues with.

[spice veldt]

psyker has similar dodge stats to zealot

[fading patrol]

Mk5 user like me on copium
Pls buff more

[plucky flax]

Abuse unlimited power before fix. Never get hit in melee again.

[spice veldt]

if you're getting hit from behind and whatnot, I'd stick to walls

since backstab sounds are just a lil teensy tiny fucked

[strong gulch]

Things are always circling you. You might have to block, dodge, and push a lot more.

Also don't stand in the same hitbox as ogryns, because then you can see. 🙃

[kind jay]

cheese it with perspectives mod and play 3rd person with camera zoomed all the way out

[strong gulch]

Illisi make clearing trash mobs much easier in melee than deimos or dueling sword; but illisi is weak against carapace.

Some tougher enemies can be staggered or pushed before melee fights.

[kind jay]

never get backstabed again

[fast swan]

whats the most fun build rn?

for auric maelstrom?

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Deflection talent will give you a huge amount of block, while preserving stamina - it's a way to start learning block, push and dodge with some safety.

[viscid matrix]

thats a stupid question 😄
fun is what you find fun

[spice veldt]

my revolver dclaw shall pierce the heavens

https://streamable.com/0squ0f

[unique mist]

also arc how do you feel about the psyker tree changes where you can presumably no longer go "up" from empowered psionics path left or right if you're coming from the opposite direction

[shadow wigeon]

@plucky flax I tried a bunch of games of Surge/Flames with warp siphon talents and without, trying to recall why I liked the no-warp-talents version vs warp talents. No warp talents lets you have so much toughness regen, and I found tranquility to really cramp the ability to instantly build peril up for creeping flames.

[unique mist]

i.e. if you go venting shriek you can't go disrupt destiny

[viscid matrix]

wtf are those graphics? i didnt know it was possible to make it look that terrible

[deft osprey]

Does block efficiency affect the peril build up?

[unique mist]

and if you go scriers you cant go warp charges

[spice veldt]

i think it would be too limiting, because on the other hand there's also not that many options at the top

since a lot of psyker's tree already locks other options out

[shadow wigeon]

It used to, I assume it does now - but you dont need it.

[spice veldt]

so without making revisions to the rest of the tree, such a lockout would be too strict

[unique mist]

its a good thing going the freshly buffed barrier route will get you access to all of them

lol

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, they could make the branches leading to the kesytone nodes more interwoven like the top of the tree

[plucky flax]

What blitz do you use? If I have shriek available and wanting to quickly get 85% peril I smite and reposition for the optimal angle.

[viscid matrix]

they didnt mention the warp charge bug at all in patchnotes, so its still borken

[unique mist]

also, no disrupt destiny buffs/changes makes me cry

[unique mist]

what, the instant recharge? they did

[spice veldt]

since you can currently triple-dip into all three branches (albeit with a heavy point cost)

such as with my toughness-grindset tree

[shadow wigeon]

BB but I only ever use it on snipers, I probably BB only 1 or 2 times a game.

[unique mist]

i also do that with my crit asail/surge voidstirke build

[shadow wigeon]

Tranquility also spoiled ~~all ~~ a lot of the toughness generation and quelling

[spice veldt]

toughness grindset https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1164172319711830056/image.png?ex=65423ef6&is=652fc9f6&hm=bd47872335f573106502540822dd7e8c181afdfb261c8e9e3e71d65df8d82f00&

[plucky flax]

Mmm I prefer smite myself. Can help team in a pinch with cc if needed. I don't use it as much as surge spam. Also like mentioned it's great at generating peril.

[unique mist]

true aim + surge voidstrike staff is all you need

[steel flame]

Finally got what he deserved. Clearly gunker is an affront to nature and warrants execution

[unique mist]

still cant believe you unironically use it

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah you could do either here. Since I don't use it, I could talent into it, but all those points are pretty great.

once you give up tranquility and dont worry about how many warp charges you have, just have your peril/toughness flying up and down, it's a very different experience. You can tank a lot fo ranged.

[unique mist]

and how do you feel about the perilous combustion nerf

[spice veldt]

it had it coming

straight to the kneecaps

this is why you don't remove the two downsides of Wrack & Ruin without nerfing it appropriately

[unique mist]

honestly i still cant see how it is that good

how much damage is it really

[shadow wigeon]

It's a lot of free damage on packs of elites

[spice veldt]

here's a demo with dreg shooters https://streamable.com/o7myk5

and keep in mind that uncanny strike applies to soulblaze as well https://streamable.com/4ueqyl

[plucky flax]

Hrmm don't you have to quell more though and can't spam surge for as long.

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion is easily one of the top picks--extremely strong, and extremely cheap

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, you will be quelling constantly, but in exchange you have so much toughness regen that you can go where you please. You can tank shooters, gunner, reapers for decent periods.

[plucky flax]

Combustion after nerf will still be good. Its just free damage.

[shadow wigeon]

It is very different experience to the warp-talents build.

[spice veldt]

i also imagine that people don't realize how large a 4m radius circle is

[steel flame]

It's an uncapped source of soulblaze for one, and two it's condition is ludicrously easy

[unique mist]

true level 1043 is a wowzers moment

[plucky flax]

I might give it a try but I've gotten comfortable with long surge chain.

[spice veldt]

psyker grindset

[shadow wigeon]

@plucky flax if you already like the elite hunting aspect of surge/flames, it's worth trying.

yes it will be very different from that 😮

[unique mist]

wish you could do mods on xbox

[tired jackal]

anyone need a shouty for some aurics?

[steel flame]

Wrack and ruin would snowball out control even with it having to be a BB hit on an elite, now it's just an elite kill from any source.....that's too much power

[spice veldt]

I also keep getting a lot of people who imply that i only play the lower difficulties, so I think I'm just going to keep my level shown instead of hiding it like I usually do, mostly since hudtweaker isn't working for me

I need all the edge I can get in arguments about assail

[steel flame]

Those people are idiots

[unique mist]

"assail is way too busted" "only on malice" ????

[tender timber]

Really... most assail psyckers are the f***ing worse. Mostly played by some egocentrical loosers whose carving those damn HIGH SCORE digits...

I can't understand any one playing such build. Smite and brain rupture are by far way better.

[unique mist]

not me taking assail in damnation and clearing hordes with it

[plucky flax]

Well I only play in low intensity sedition.

[spice veldt]

die

[unique mist]

i think that's called a nap

[spare light]

Why does Assail get so much hate?

[spice veldt]

flashy ability that psykers have early access to

and it's a very easy build decision to make

[plucky flax]

You can tell when someone is playing for score. They just run ahead and try to kill stuff without doing any objectives or any material picking.

I don't like playing with that kind of player.

[spice veldt]

I don't really see that many gunlugger ogryns, on the other hand

[fast swan]

in malice and beloiw it trivializes the game

[rocky cedar]

Hand cannon bug definitely plays into assail a bit I think, I frequently see assail Psykers with revolver

[kind jay]

people hate things that are good

[spice veldt]

in fact, I have not ever seen a gunlugger ogryn build properly into the broken shit on NA west

[tender timber]

Because when it comes to them actually doing something with it... Like clearing mutant waves or other specialist waves like that... they just dont...

[fast swan]

does an uncharged force sword attack count as a non warp attack?

[steel flame]

Well that's a rather aggressive stance. Not everyone uses it that way

[spice veldt]

yeah, non-warp attack 😔

[unique mist]

its too effective

[tender timber]

So far i've only see it like such

[steel flame]

A shame

[unique mist]

clears a horde in just a couple of seconds, can attack from range too, recharges quite fast

[tender timber]

Yes... ever since V2... i hate those kinds o' brain dead people

[unique mist]

only bad against big boys

but you have Voidstrike staff for them

[twilit carbon]

whats chastise the wicked, and where do i find in-game descriptions of it?

[spare light]

Okay, fair enough

[steel flame]

A good assail psyker is hard to even sus out whether he is using assail at all

[spare light]

But I mean, guys, we're all purging heretics here, that's no reason to hate on another player

[unique mist]

i think that's a zealot skill

[spice veldt]

it's the non-augmented version of Fury of the Faithful

it's the version that you get if you don't spec into any of the ults

[fast swan]

how good is scriers gaze btw?

[steel flame]

I love it

[twilit carbon]

ahhh, gootcha. wrong menu

[spare light]

I think I dislike playing with 'lone wolf' zealots even more, had one in a game and basically left me & an ogryn to solo the entire level

[tender timber]

I've seen only one good assail

ONE

Since the update

[rocky cedar]

Kinda sad that didn't mention warp charge Scriers fix in the patch notes

Gimme that cooldown damn it

[spare light]

What is considered a 'good assail' in your eyes then?

[shadow wigeon]

It's bugged with warp siphon right now, and Voidstrike is overtuned, but Void with Transfer Peril + Scrier's is very fun

[spice veldt]

players who have never built into the hot jank that is assail 😔 https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[unique mist]

its just ok, bugged in multiple ways but good for non-warp attacks i.e. charging into melee or being a gun psyker

[steel flame]

I want scrier speed boost to stack with crit speed boost. It's stupid that it doesn't

[unique mist]

the fuck?

[spice veldt]

this is what happens when you take advantage of a weapon that can crit and hit weakspots

[unique mist]

ah right

[spice veldt]

and what happens when you stop ignoring its weakspot/crit multipliers

[unique mist]

uncanny strike

[spice veldt]

oh referring to dinking crushers

yeah that's the real good shit

people who never quickswap assail and abuse the shit out of these intearctions

[tender timber]

Now thats is something i would be craving to see more

[unique mist]

wouldn't be me

i barely use assail

[spice veldt]

you're not using any attention to aim, so you can just spend your APM on quickswapping

[unique mist]

oh hey, a horde is coming? voidstrike

[idle marten]

ok so how bad would it be if stacked 3 hp curios?

[unique mist]

small amount of enemies closing in on me? melee

large horde of enemies up my ass? assail

[unique mist]

psyker has no hp regen perks, so

[tender timber]

Smite, burning venting shriek, Purgatus staff...

[unique mist]

also you would only have 2 wounds

[spare light]

At the finish line but you have a guy on your team farming? assail everything

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, our toughness regen is cracked

[unique mist]

which means half your health is gone when you get downed

[spice veldt]

having 120 toughness or 60 toughness doesn't matter when a single bruiser knocks it all out at once

and you can recover your toughness in <2 seconds

[unique mist]

yes which is why it is good to stack toughness perks i thought

[idle marten]

yea i just feel squishy like even more so then Vet lmao

[shadow wigeon]

It's valid for learning the game, learning melee combat, it will take the bite out of chip damage a bit. But, it will drag you away from stronger features, like toughness regen.

[unique mist]

yeah because psyker is the squishiest class

[spice veldt]

it's good, but hp does protect against snipers/bursters/flamers/etc.

[idle marten]

good to konw its not just me that feels squsihy then mao

[unique mist]

anyways i usually run 1 wound 1 hp and 1 toughness curio

[spice veldt]

of course, I myself stack toughness, but I currently think that health is generally better currently

[unique mist]

203 hp with 116 toughness

1 wound is a must have i think

unless you are ultra chad never gets downed

[idle marten]

yea i find myself doing alot of melee with my sword rather then ranged since the blessings i have on my sword

[unique mist]

i run 1 hp 1 toughness 1 wound with minor perks of 3x combat regen, 2x gunner resist, 2x hp and 2x toughness

well, actually, 1 hp minor perk because i haven't been trying for a better curio to replace my existing one which has +curio drop chance lol

[shadow wigeon]

It depends on the build. If you prioritze toughness, health isn't doing much for you.

[unique mist]

actually useless

[spice veldt]

if I weren't fond of playing stupidly into ranged patrols, I would stack hp curios with my currently toughness-maxxing skill tree

[unique mist]

yeah but the original question is should you stack 3x hp and the answer is no because +1 wound is basically mandatory imo

[fringe tangle]

This is so bad, can't even kill the meth addict enemies lol.

[unique mist]

pretty sure it doesnt even do as much damage as it says it does

[shadow wigeon]

It is certainly not mandatory...

[fringe tangle]

They should probably double the damage so it can actually kill stuff.

[unique mist]

yeah because you really want to lose half your health when you get downed

[kind jay]

it doesn't. it has falloff based on range and peril

[spice veldt]

at the cost of not having extra toughness/hp

[shadow wigeon]

I would say in auric it less than half the experienced players are running wound curios. Don't go down...

[spice veldt]

I rarely go down more than once between medicaes, and wounds would at the very best be modifier/map-specific picks

[unique mist]

do you really think that a person asking if they should run 3x health curios is playing auric?

[spice veldt]

though I'm disputing that it's "mandatory"

[shadow wigeon]

No, but a wound curio is still not mandatory. Stam, toughness, health all have strong uses.

[unique mist]

"highly recommended for players without extensive experience on high difficulties"

[shadow wigeon]

Kinda? It's going to mess you up a bit too, because you're missing power.

[plucky flax]

Play to win don't play not to lose.

[unique mist]

or perhaps "mandatory for mortally challenged players"

[spice veldt]

still not mandatory

strongly recommended, but not mandatory

[idle marten]

yea im just used to Ogryn hp with shield so this is the exact opposite of what im used to

[unique mist]

this is the type of confidence i run into a horde and die with

[shadow wigeon]

I think it's very reasonable to run a wound curio, but I would also try to lose it as soon as possible. If you aren't comfortable without it, then keep it. But it will distort your defense a bit.

[spice veldt]

and depending on the difficulty, since you get an extra wound at malice

[plucky flax]

Itll come with more experience. I assume you are still new ish?

[fringe tangle]

Wounds are only needed if you go down a lot on heresy/damnation. If you regulary do damnation without going down or only going down 1 or 2 times wound curios are basically a wasted slot.

Ogryns should never run wounds since they already get an extra one built-in and are very tanky.

[unique mist]

although i did just do my second ever auric (first was shock troop heresy, this was lights out damn) and didnt die once which was nice. even clutched a 2 v beast, but that was mostly the zealot clutching and me following his lead

[unique mist]

112 hours/2.5 weeks i think

so yeah

newish

[plucky flax]

I'm used to meme clutches. Sometimes I record a better one for the meme compilation. This one is with transfer flurry voidstrike
https://youtu.be/lF7ZjM6D-q0

[unique mist]

transfer flurry voidstrike is my ex fav staff

what i used before i finally got Surge

[idle marten]

its gonna suck losing the infinite dodges on force swords

[unique mist]

surge/nexus is my new fav

[plucky flax]

Yeah I mis clicked and used the wrong loadout that map.

[unique mist]

kek

[plucky flax]

Would have prefer nexus surge.

[lyric burrow]

No way that guy said gunlugger was bad😭

[plucky flax]

For me psyker and zealot have very good tools to clutch.

Oh I think he missed the comfort of bulls rush.

It's a strong cc ability.

If one never played range spam ogryn before patch it'd feel weird to play lugger and miss out on the tankiness I suppose.

[lyric burrow]

Ah ok if hes saying he prefers bull rush thats fair

[pearl lion]

So I've been using warp charges to far, whats the right most capstone like?

[plucky flax]

It's finicky.

Potentially could be strong but it has some marking problem currently.

[spice veldt]

the refresh mechanic on staggering/damaging a marked target also seems to be sketchy

i've interacted with marked targets only for stacks to not refresh

[twilit carbon]

can you apply soulblaze to monstrosities?

[unique mist]

yes

visually just quite faint

[twilit carbon]

i saw Perilous Combustion only affects Specialists and Elites

[plucky flax]

If they change dd to piety mechanic it'll be a very nice change.

[twilit carbon]

does this also affect them too?

[unique mist]

no, it only triggers when you kill a specialist/elite

[wispy iris]

has our talent tree changed at all since patch?

[twilit carbon]

thats unfortunate

[unique mist]

it effects everything

[spice veldt]

fortunately, it is still one of the best nodes

[digital onyx]

Smite is just so underrated...3 team mates down and I kid you not 5 maulers and fire boi.
Stunlock and Stab I made it with a slither of health...smite I have faith in you.

[twilit carbon]

duly noted

[spice veldt]

no patches since the skill tree update

[unique mist]

eldynor are you sure you arent misnterpreting the node

[wispy iris]

after 14

[unique mist]

it only triggers the soulblaze spread on killing elites or specials, but it spreads soulblaze to every enemy

[wispy iris]

I meant

[unique mist]

not just specials/elites

[unique mist]

14 isnt out yet

and it has no release date

[wispy iris]

would our talent tree change after 14

[unique mist]

seems so

[wispy iris]

what are we giving/picking up

[twilit carbon]

it says it only affects Elites and Specialists. sometimes features are in a game that dont provide full context. Destiny as an example. thats why i asked for further clarification

thank you for your answers

[unique mist]

well, it's clearly outlined in the perk: killing an elite or special triggers the soulblaze burst on all nearby enemies

[twilit carbon]

buddy

i said thank you

[spice veldt]

fatshark description-itis can strike suddenly

[twilit carbon]

thats that

[unique mist]

ok

[compact cargo]

what it says and what it does is different

it's fatshark

[unique mist]

well in this case it does what it says so

[compact cargo]

this time yes the description is accurate

[spice veldt]

kinetic presence moment (only affects elites and not specials)

[compact cargo]

but don't trust things because it is said, test it

[spice veldt]

trust no one

i wonder what this means

i'm on my quickswap addiction right now so I hope it'll be a good change for that

[unique mist]

it is time between pressing fire and the shot actually firing

and only for the primary shot afaik

which is just the lil stupid bolt that joes jack all

[spice veldt]

shame if it'll make things like this more clunky https://streamable.com/t1ywkz

[modest solstice]

imma ask a question, is there any use for the psyker smite?

[plucky flax]

Strange how illisi cleave buff and antax axe with cleave targets modifier not getting a cleave buff.

Fartshart logic.

[viscid matrix]

locking down mixed hordes so the others can murder priority targets easier

[modest solstice]

but it overheats so quickly, it seems so useless

[plucky flax]

It auto quells and you can spam it again.

[viscid matrix]

it still ccs a bunch of enemies during that entire channel, and auto quells at 100
so just channel secondary again and again and again

[modest solstice]

autoquells?

[plucky flax]

You won't blow up.

[modest solstice]

i didnt know that

[viscid matrix]

when you hit 100 it drops peril down to like 85% automaticly

[modest solstice]

i might need to try it again out soon

[plucky flax]

You can also abuse unlimited power before they patch it probably next week.

[viscid matrix]

we have either a week or a less than 12 hours until a patch

[modest solstice]

nah, i dont use empower much, i prefer warp charges for peril generation decrease, and damage out the rear end

[plucky flax]

Aye I use smite without bug and its good.

[viscid matrix]

hope the buff feels good

bug fix, then a damage buff

[modest solstice]

i tend to run firestaff with the soul blaze perks and auto brainburst, but i can try smite

also the firestaff with warp charge generation in soulblaze kill, is nice

[viscid matrix]

smite 10% boost applies to soulblaze

light them on fire, then use smite to boost it

1 downside to playing it, no long range ability

[modest solstice]

this is what i was looking at build wise, smite with flamestaff

not perfect but a good first start

[harsh urchin]

You probably want BB so you have a way to kill stuff that's far

[modest solstice]

nah, im the hallway clearer, let others deal with gunners and ranged enemies

[harsh urchin]

Otherwise against bombers and snipers you'll have to completely rely on teammates

A terrifying prospect

[modest solstice]

i just need to run up to bombers and sniper and flame them down!

[harsh urchin]

Good luck with that lol

[modest solstice]

you doubt my stupidity!, i will do it, dont test me
🤦

i might do brainburst as a test, but this is to test smite and see how it works with flame staff!

[restive slate]

I am very excited to see a more powerful smite in patch 14

[viscid matrix]

try dropping the toughness as you generate peril, and the extra chaining smite, and grap Kinetic Defelction and the +5% base crit on everything

[thin finch]

It's a well known bug and you don't need scrier gaze ,just one stack of empowered psionic

[modest solstice]

i dont like kinetic deflection, it tends to cause issues

[viscid matrix]

how so? it increases the amount of hits you can block, it gives free peril as it goes up, which gives buffs to a lot of things

[idle bay]

Kinetic deflection turns you into the the Ogryn when you need to res someone up.

Normally there is no need to so much blocking capacity, unless you want to tank DH and monstrosities. Or you want to facetank barrage of fire with FS Deflector Blessing ..

If only it worked vs karking broken bugged snipers...

[viscid matrix]

being able to block almost every melee attack for the duration of getting a ally back up is so worth it

plus the 5% crit chance above it is so worth it

[idle bay]

Indeed. But the is a huge caveat. If you picking up "i can just shoot things" vet in the middle of the hoard - he will go down again in a second 🙂 Keep that in mind

[viscid matrix]

fair

[idle bay]

Those such breed of vet exists only if you go below Heresy (they don't dare to tread higher than Malice). And sometimes i have to go below Heresy beacuse of weekly (no deaths and scriptures tasks).

Though there are enough gifted players who manage to loose all wound even on Malice...

[restive slate]

I dont know... i see a lot of bad Vets in Heresy and even Damnation lately too

[idle bay]

So far vets i met on damnation and hersy were either good or fine. And go down like every other class because of something being wrong with incoming damage bullshit.

You either totaly avoid being hit, or you health dissaper in instant.

[restive slate]

I even thought i was safe in Auric too but nope, freshly level 30 players who are chasing the hardest difficulties without understanding the basics of poxburster pushing

[idle bay]

Only Ogryns have something similiar to health pool that allows some bleedthrough damage 🙂

[restive slate]

The scene of a Shieldgryn planting his shield in front of a Poxburster will forever haunt and entertain my mind

[idle bay]

And reliving the joy of exploding poxbuster right in the face of other player who tries to push it

[mighty fractal]

Even ogryn can lose like 300hp in a couple seconds if they play carelessly

Good ogryn will cradle that health pool like a baby

It’s a valuable resource for making plays or just moving into position

[restive slate]

Only a very special few deserve that treatment

[idle bay]

So i completely forfeit health on Psyker, go x2 Toughness and stamina. And it works just fine 🙂

[restive slate]

My fave ogryn playstyle is speedgryn

[mighty fractal]

That’s the spirit

[idle bay]

Mine is Shovelgryn 🙂

[restive slate]

Call my Ogryn a Force User cause theres a lot of MASS behind this acceleration

[thin finch]

Just reroll them

[idle bay]

They pay way to high to re-roll 🙂 i also saving dockets on Casion to get some 370+ weapons for Hadron to brick 🙂

[viscid matrix]

im the opposite, i went all in on HP

[thin finch]

I guess doing one or two malice run ain't so bad.
But funnily enough I die more there than in auric

[idle bay]

It's makes you to put your guard down and relax too much 🙂

[thin finch]

Yeah, I don't have thz hyper pressure and butt clenching strenght on malice

[idle bay]

Also there is a chance of something bery special when going to play on lower difficulties with inexperienced players (if stars are right).
When they fail badly and you each time is able to fix the situation and put back everyone on legs, and after few such saves - they start flocking to you at try to stay in cohesion instead of running away to die in 15 seconds 🙂

And start actually working as a team

[steel solstice]

Sound like a dream, beloved.

Next thing you say they'll start blocking/dodging

[spare light]

so I got this, does anyone even uses axes?

[viscid matrix]

very rare few do, cause they enjoy using them, but they are not as good as a MK IV dueling sword or Deimos/Illisi

[spare light]

What's the main difference between Deimos/Illisi btw?

[viscid matrix]

diemos is single target
illisi is horde

illisi has cleave special and heavy attacks, deimos has overhead swing then stab heavy and stab special

[spare light]

Thanks 🙏

I got this Illisi so I'm kinda liking it, maybe the maniac roll was bad, but oh well

[viscid matrix]

tbh i use Deflector and Rampage on my Illisi

Maniac is a good roll on it

specials and elites are generally Maniac or Flak, except Mauler, Crusher, Doggos and Reapers

[spare light]

I meant the crit chance

[viscid matrix]

crit is never bad, when going all in on a melee build with scriers its great

if you really want to change it, go flak or carapace while keeping maniac

[spare light]

I already did 2 rolls

[spice veldt]

though crit is generally worse than straight power/damage buffs for hordeclear

[viscid matrix]

you can change the 2 perks freely

[spare light]

OH

[viscid matrix]

you lock the other blessing/perk slots, but the 2 you changed can be changed freely

[spare light]

You're right, I forgot

I generally use it for horde clear though, and maniacs

[viscid matrix]

thats why i have deflector/rampage on my illisi

[spice veldt]

something that the game doesn't tell you is that crit/weakspot damage multipliers will drop after X amount of targets hit

[spare light]

can Illisi have Rampage? IT doesn't say so on this build website

[spice veldt]

for the majority of weapons, X is just 1 target
for the power sword/illisi's special, X is 3 targets (although the crit damage multiplier for the special is less than their normals)

[viscid matrix]

sorry mixxing it up with slaughterer

[spare light]

Ahh

Damn, that would be great indeed

Although I do like Shred

[viscid matrix]

this is what i prefer, just cause i dont use it for killing armoured enemies

[spare light]

I was thinking of going unarmoured

cause for that I'd rather use my blitz/staff

[viscid matrix]

being able to 1shot all unarmoured with every swing is very nice

[spare light]

I bet yeah

[viscid matrix]

also that power blessing boosts other things

weapon swap, power is still active

[spare light]

so does Shred I assume?

[viscid matrix]

yep

[spare light]

So I guess they are both good

[viscid matrix]

yep, depends if you want damage increase or crit chance increase

[spare light]

I'm trying to move away from Assail, cause it falls off quite hard in auric damnation I feel

[summer prairie]

Once you know all the DD mechanics, it's kind of feasible to run it with 30 stacks

[spare light]

DD?

[viscid matrix]

it really doesnt, its able to be used as a main weapon thru everything, just make sure you have weapons for dealing with assail can not

[summer prairie]

but you'll have to use your venting shriek suboptimally sometimes to refresh stacks

[viscid matrix]

Disrupt Destiny, the right side keystone

[plucky flax]

Illisi damage and cleave buff soon.

[spare light]

Right

[spice veldt]

enjoy this crack cocaine https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[spare light]

Okay, let me add to this, I'm getting bored of it

[spice veldt]

true

I usually just limit myself and only throw out 3 shards at a time

[cyan notch]

bro is playing lego darktide on the switch

[spare light]

I want to get my palpatine on, and I want to use Empowered Psionics with it, but I don't want to abuse this damn bug

[viscid matrix]

funny thing is, its getting a buff next patch, so that 1700 will probably do a lot more

just gotta use secondary to do it

[spice veldt]

you're a lego

[spare light]

How does it even do that much damage?

[cyan notch]

[summer prairie]

1. if you can't see the currently marked target, it switches to a new eligible target within your vision after 5 seconds, 2. staggering/damaging the marked target refreshes the stacks, 3. venting shriek goes through walls so you can almost always use it to refresh the duration, 4. you get stacks for any target that dies with your SB on it

[spice veldt]

shame that venting shriek is on the left side and I have to path into mind in motion to take it

[viscid matrix]

how do you lower the graphics that much? when im on minimum it looks way better

[viscid matrix]

weapon blessings

[spice veldt]

I edited stuff in user_settings.config

[spice veldt]

+crit/+weakspot damage from Disrupt Destiny along with Uncanny Strike stacks to deal damage against carapace

[spare light]

Ahh, fair

[viscid matrix]

uncanny applies to assail

[spare light]

Does running mods block off penances? Or just steam achievements like in VT2?

[spice veldt]

it's a somewhat exaggerated example, but it helps to be reminded that assail can crit/weakspot and take advantage of those buffs very well

mods currently won't do anything like that

[viscid matrix]

nope you are fine going with mods

[spice veldt]

you can run them consequence-free

[spare light]

FOR REALS

[spice veldt]

yeah they're quite lenient so far

stuff like healthbars in missions have been fine

[viscid matrix]

kinda hope FS gives us steam workshop support, so we dont have to go to nexus for the mods

[compact cargo]

They won't

They have epic gamers

[spice veldt]

adding cosmetic attachments to your weapons, or equipping cosmetics are fine, since their stance is that it's basically fine as long as it's client-side (and not obviously cheating stuff)

[compact cargo]

And console players

So we are far from a majority

[viscid matrix]

so? Steam workshop support wont harm the other platforms, they can still go use nexus

[compact cargo]

It will take development time and money that won't return.

[plucky flax]

Manually updating mods kinda suck.

[compact cargo]

If someone wants to mod they can already do so, what financial incentive do they have for providing the service to a smaller subset of players?

[compact cargo]

Encourages smaller modlists

[spice veldt]

don't talk to me or my 100 mods

[cyan notch]

lunacy

[dim parrot]

I think im gonna finally try using dueling sword and purgatus tbh

just gotta get decent rolls

[brittle ferry]

I am not removing my poxburster fart mod

[compact cargo]

doesn't need to be updated

[thin finch]

There is a difference between saying "you can as long as we don't see it " and oficialy endorsing it trough steam workshop.
I think FS is okay but don't want people to think that they are supporting it

[brittle ferry]

Do brainburst and assail not count as warp based kill?

[spare light]

they do, staves aswell, even force swords

[spice veldt]

and soulblaze

hmm, dogs don't inflict their initial corruption if you are blocking when pounced

delightfully devilish

[thin finch]

Is it a lot ? I never really noticed

[thin finch]

Force sword special attack ,regular swing don't count as warp attack

[spare light]

The amount of people that just ignore their psykers is too damn high

[fading patrol]

25 instant corruption, didnt know about the blocking part tho

[near wyvern]

That is force sword specials and for staves all but specials

[spare light]

the talent procs for me by just swinging left clicks on force sword

[near wyvern]

Well that's a bug then

[spice veldt]

perfect timing or malefic?

[spare light]

Perfect Timing

[spice veldt]

perfect timing activates on all crits

[near wyvern]

Yeah you can get stacks for that by anything

[spice veldt]

doesn't need to be a warp weapon

[near wyvern]

But you only get bonus for warp damage

[urban echo]

anyone have any good psyker gun builds?

[near wyvern]

Which is force sword specials, blitz, stave LMB RMB, soulblaze

[near wyvern]

Yes, hold on a couple minutes

[urban echo]

Thank you I want to leave assail shitter hell

Assail stops me improving as I can be dumber than an ogryn and carry

[near wyvern]

Oh that's not really possible

You will run out of bullets

[spare light]

Right, I'm wrong

I'm wondering if I should stick to void staff , but I bet even with those nerfs, it'll still be a powerhouse

[near wyvern]

@urban echo

Use assail against soft targets. Vraks 3 against hard targets (even crushers, just hit heads). You can swap the melee go a Devil's claw if you find the need for better horde clear. During a horde dump your assails to get to 84+ peril (true peril) or 85+ if you have default peril meter and ult.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a67cac6-f021-4469-bb87-58a62e3c6d68/meta-gun-psyker-patch-13?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

The DPS on Vraks 3 is insane:
https://streamable.com/fdzm9b

You need the assail because you will otherwise run out of bullets.

[spare light]

Vraks 3 is good you say huh

I found this one

[dense bramble]

What do you think of 2burst headhunter?

[viscid matrix]

unlucky on the damage

[near wyvern]

On this patch lasguns that have the ammo economy to last have terrible DPS while autoguns which have better or good DPS don't have the ammo to last. They are addressing that with next patch.

[urban echo]

Ty 🙂

[viscid matrix]

kantrealXII?

[spare light]

I do have this one however

[obtuse moth]

is that the threshold for shriek max damage? 84+ true or 85 default

[viscid matrix]

its the threshold for most peril scalling buffs

[obtuse moth]

i thought most blessings max scale at 80%

[near wyvern]

Inferior to 3 burst, has a weaker crit and headshot multipliers for some reason. How True Aim works it's better the more fire rate you have so you can do more crits.

Whenever you crit in the game, you crit for an amount of time not for an amount of attacks. With high enough fire rate you can trigger True Aim again before the crit timer ends.

[near wyvern]

Not enough DPS

[near wyvern]

You want high damage, stopping power and stability, the rest don't matter

But mind you they are tuning it down next patch

So don't spend all your resources on finding the perfect one

[spare light]

I'm a Sienna player so I'm going to stick to staves

[spice veldt]

hmm if force swords were fixed with assail, I wonder how a blazing spirit force sword + crit assail build would go like

[dense bramble]

Does that mean my infanty autogun is finally going to be meta?

[glad meadow]

where can i find the list of possibly leaked weapons that is coming for psyker?

[near wyvern]

It's to be seen. If Illisi will get enough cleave there could be something in there but most likely uncanny + slaughterer will just do the job better because of the wildfire bugs holding it down

[dense bramble]

Right next to the WT Apache leaks

[near wyvern]

Agripinaa Infantry Autogun is already really strong with the correct blessings, the only thing it really looses against vraks 3 at the moment is the long range damage against reapers and monstrositiy DPS (around 1k DPS for agripinaa infantry, 4k+ DPS for vraks 3). However, Agripinaa Infantry has superior hip fire.

So we cannot state for sure but it seems like Infantry guns become a really viable option at least.

[glad meadow]

i tried agripinaa and it just seem worse perfomance wise than my recon lasgun

and its reserve is so bad

idk how much they buff it by, but it would have to be a lot for me to use it on psyker

[plucky flax]

Special kind of ogryn player. Put the ammo crate down, shoot 3 times, then use crate.

[glad meadow]

lore accurate

[plucky flax]

That's going into the block list.

[near wyvern]

Did you have the correct blessings? You want punsihing salvo and sustained fire and then you fire it in 4 bullet bursts and at longer ranges you can do 4 quick taps followed by a slight pause. The blessings reset extremely fast so the trick is to learn the timing of firing the weapon.

Much better ammo economy than a recon when you control your fire and a lot more accurate over longer ranges.

And high damage roll obviously

[glad meadow]

problem is the recon i feel just shred everything but the armored target i laid my aim on

[near wyvern]

So it does for your ammo counter as well

My agripinaa infantry gun destroys most elites and specials in 2 or 3 head shots.

Especially when true aim procs

[glad meadow]

nah i always at around 400 ammo

the uptime on my scry is almost 100%, and i don't have a problem when i just space out using it + my melee

[thin finch]

Reserve gonna be fixed

[glad meadow]

i like the autogun animation more but it just feel bad to use. Atm, i got Punishing Salvo and Sustained Fire.

[near wyvern]

Well at least improved which also means you get more per pick up

[glad meadow]

Punishing is at 4, Sustained Fire is at 3.

it some how felt worse than my recon lasgun where i just pick it up randomly without regard for its blessing.

[near wyvern]

I have both 4, don't recall my damage roll exactly but it was high

[glad meadow]

It felt both inaccurate, low damage, and dry out really quickly.

[near wyvern]

And contrary to the description those boost the shots 2 to 4 not 3 to 4

You just gotta pull down with mouse when firing

Very little side recoil on the first 4 shots

[glad meadow]

i don't know what shot it boost, i just know that when i laid my sight on a rager or gunner it took way too long for that thing to be dead.

usually full auto it

[near wyvern]

Hipfire has better recoil control as well and is surprisingly accurate

[glad meadow]

i dont really hipfire, but hmm

[near wyvern]

And don't crouch, crouching increases recoil (it's a bug)

[glad meadow]

worth considering, cus i really hate that thing iron right

[near wyvern]

Try hipfire. Blessings reset super fast and easy recoil, accurate up to medium ranged

[glad meadow]

i already run darktide at a lower resolution (for performance) so it super hard to see sniper and shit

and its iron sight is terrible

sigh, i should have tested it out before wasting my resources on it

now seeing that they gonna buff head hunter by a ton...

[viscid matrix]

@spice veldt has lowered their settings a fair bit, maybe they can tell you what to lower further

also are you running a 2060 or higher? do you have DLSS on if you are?

[near wyvern]

wdym they gonna nerf headhunter

[glad meadow]

what, they buff vrak damage by 50%

[spice veldt]

infantry autoguns have pretty good finesse multipliers but can be troublesome to aim

their weakspot multi is roughly 2.5x on average

[digital narwhal]

Hopefully the changes we’re getting to first 3 shots recoil helps a bit

[spice veldt]

and crouching finally not jacking up the recoil

god bless america

in user_settings.config (located at %AppData%\Fatshark\Darktide\user_settings.config), change these settings for some of that low spec gaming

[cyan notch]

USA! USA! USA!

[native plover]

Looks like Assail did get that nerf?

Anyone tried how Smite feels now?

[spice veldt]

i was preparing for something mean

[native plover]

Oh no wait, patch isn't out yet right? How does the change look on paper though to everyone?

[viscid matrix]

not really a nerf, secondary is double current base damage

[lucid horizon]

does someone known the mod where u can see your weapons in your back?

[near wyvern]

A nerf, not that nerf. It's still gonna be brain-dead spamming, just a bit less effective against big targets for the spam mode.

[brittle ferry]

Which node in enhanced psionics is better?

The left or right one

[deft osprey]

Should I focus on toughness or health as a psyker? Currently I have 94 toughness and 265 health and +1 wound

[viscid matrix]

right, it lets you get free stacks with an empowered assail kill on elites and specialists, basicly constant free empowered assails

[native plover]

Eh, i like Smite more anyhow. I like channeling Palpetine

[obtuse moth]

isnt it only elites?

[whole oxide]

what do you mean, they reduced the damage, which is clearly the same thing as reducing the spammyness :>>>

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-25651926

[spare light]

is this worth investing or should I get a new one?

[charred shuttle]

What was the goat for Voidstrike? Surge + Flurry?

[summer prairie]

I think nexus is better than flurry even with true aim

[charred shuttle]

Aight aight, thanks

[whole oxide]

it'll do fine, perfectly usable on damnation, but, you can do better, cloud radius is a bit lacking

[spare light]

Yeah I figured

[dense bramble]

Surge+flurry is very good with the guaranteed crit perk

[reef nacelle]

Is voidstaff dead

[thin finch]

Yes you can delete it (joking)

[near wyvern]

Such a shit staff. Let me take it to the trash.

[kind jay]

surge staff stick poke is getting buffed so obviously that's gonna be new meta

i mean ogryns beat things with sticks and that works. forget space magic

[acoustic spade]

It'd be funny if max peril psyker starts to poke maulers to head to keep them still while they are waiting for passive quell

[fringe tangle]

coruscation staff + skelly defender bois = many dead rats.

[near gale]

I've heard that the dueling swords are good, is this for real? <.<'

[atomic plover]

No. Many buff needed

[kind jay]

they're good, but not as good as dueling cards

[near gale]

Damn, I left those in the shed...

[kind jay]

they may potentially get another small buff too

[timid fractal]

do they have an innate mutant bonus?

[kind jay]

I'm not sure

[reef nacelle]

I just use them to slap Muties

[timid fractal]

friend was oneshotting them on heresy

[kind jay]

they do easily one tap muties

[reef nacelle]

I don’t think they have innate mutant bonus though

The heavy attack slaps them

[kind jay]

they're just strong. especially mk4

[timid fractal]

I see, ty

[reef nacelle]

Your friend probably has mutant perk?

[kind jay]

most people have at least maniac on it

mine does

[scarlet timber]

[kind jay]

[reef nacelle]

Where are the documented voidstaff nerfs

I can’t find them in notes

[golden frigate]

patch has yet to come out

go on the forums and you'll see 3 posts about the changes

[golden frigate]

iirc they are not definitive and still subject to change tho

[eternal junco]

this is just a minor tune

Voidstrike will still be best staff

[kind jay]

I'm just posting what's in the tentative news

[fossil lagoon]

Voidchuds its over
Surge is now best

Ive done the maths

[kind jay]

I'm a filthy surge main so all i get is gibbing (arguably best buff)

[eternal junco]

surge users when the target is more than three feet away/in a crowd

[reef nacelle]

Where did you find these

[cunning yew]

Wdym I can snipe enemies from 4 🐀

[near wyvern]

As long as it staggers like it does now, yes, because you can control anything except mutants with it. Even monstrosities. And for mutants you have DS mk4 and Deimos as your options to delete them.

[lethal kite]

Is a soul flame build good? I’m thinking about using purge staff (flamethrower one) with brain burst, how well does the build work with a psyker trees rn?

[plucky flax]

Elites/specials are usually taller. You can jump and cast. I think surge has target priority too.

[vital flint]

Yeah, same question. Also does prugatus dot also count as soulflame?

And which melee works well with purgatus? Been using the "spear" force sword

But idk

[near wyvern]

Flame yes, brain burst no. Do assail and then DS km4 or Deimos with uncanny strike

[kind jay]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/provisional-patch-14-notes-part-2/84503/

[near wyvern]

@lethal kite speaking of flame talents, they are so strong right now that they work even without the purgatus staff. Purgatus staff brings you some horde control and monstrositiy damage. Wildfire is still bugged tho but so easy to access that it's worth a pick.

[kind jay]

what's bugged with wildfire?

[ocean phoenix]

So with Assail do I wanna just do EP and then left click spam or is going full crit with something like DD fine?

[near wyvern]

What's not bugged with it

[rain meadow]

SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG

[kind jay]

is anything not bugged

[kind jay]

are we in a vault right now? psyker feels like a social experiment

[near wyvern]

The fact that it spreads the stacks (as intended) combined with the fact that enemies that die with only 1 stack will shut out the flames is hurting it the most

[kind jay]

weird

[rain meadow]

what do yall think of the soulblaze brain rupture build

[near wyvern]

Soulblaze good, brain rupture bad

[potent echo]

thats my go to

[near wyvern]

You don't need to brain rupture to triggeg the blaze so don't

Brain ruptures are horrible to land and even worse for killing

[rain meadow]

i dont have no problem with landing them most of the time

[potent echo]

its more to make up for holes in the build

[near wyvern]

I hope they get the break points right next patch

[rain meadow]

typo

[near wyvern]

You playing on what difficulty?

But regardless, try Voidstrike, it's faster than brain rupture and deals more single target damage as well

[rain meadow]

but muh flame staff

[near wyvern]

The only real reason to bring brain rupture is to give yourslef a easy to land long range attack. If you can reach with your melee or staff for example, those are bettet to use

[near wyvern]

Use assail and then DS mk4 or Deimos with uncanny strike

[rain meadow]

nah, im sticking to flames

[potent echo]

voidstrike is good on paper but seems to be hard to apply in practice

[near wyvern]

Assail RMB has good enough range to deal with snipers and to deal with armour, flame everything around them to death first and then use your melee to finish it off

[rain meadow]

and brain rupture

[potent echo]

i see so many psykers position poorly in the middle of a room trying desperately to void anything

[near wyvern]

Middle of the room is the place for trauma not void

Optimal void player has always their back against a wall and either place themselves in a corner or on a long corridor

[potent echo]

void comes with its own playstyle where you need to funnel your enemies yea

[ebon jolt]

I like brain rupture. It flows well with the build. Then again I’ve spent a lot of time using it before this patch so it’s probably muscle memory.

[near wyvern]

With void you want to look for bowling alleys

[ebon jolt]

I do this and they still spawn behind me 😩

[near wyvern]

The thing with Brain Rupture is that they fucked up the break points, it's way too slow to kill things with it now

[potent echo]

at least its possible to one shot hounds now, with some buffs going

[bright mica]

oh yum dueling swords getting buffed. is brain burst getting buffed cus i couldnt find it in the notes?

[kind jay]

a bit

[ebon jolt]

It’s getting some pretty good buffs. But a lot of elites are also getting health buffs. So either someone will have to do the math or we will wait and see. Should be able to more reliably 2 shot crushers, bulwarks, reapers and mutants after the change. Not sure we’ll be to one shot scab ragers anymore. Should also be able to easily one shot flamers.

[summer prairie]

the dmg is buffed in a few ways but more interestingly the right click charge peril cost is reduced and you can move faster while charging

[potent echo]

● Increased power from 850 to 900
● Increased Unyielding armour damage modifier from 1.0 to 1.25
● Increased Maniac armour damage modifier from 1.0 to 1.5
● Increased Carapace armour damage modifier from 0.75 to 1.0

relevant brainrupture changes

[whole oxide]

some things yes, other things no, less requirements now to 1-hit dogs and flamers

[plucky flax]

Flamer 1 shot breakpoint will be very easy after patch.

[potent echo]

maniac 50% damage increase to make up for ragers getting 50% hp increase

probably still won't oneshot ragers

oh wait flak damage not increased

[regal musk]

I feel like that whole patch note post should have been in spreadsheet format. Its a nightmare to read through jeez lol

[plucky flax]

sussy psykers

[ebon jolt]

You won’t blow yourself up when you have an EP stack anymore either!

[eternal junco]

blowing yourself up on a monstrosity is a viable strat

[atomic plover]

Blowing myself up on last wound to reset wounds is a viable strat. Fite me.

[eternal junco]

Finna make a psyker named WARP RIDAAAA

[ebon jolt]

I am bummed we’re not seeing any changes to kinetic flayer though. I feel like that talent is too slow and random. Want to see the cooldown reduced.

[eternal junco]

what does that do again

[rapid frigate]

With Assail now rewarding using the long range version and nerfing spam, isn't that technically just a buff in most circumstances?
If you "charge" your shard, then you throw them out basically as fast as they regenerate meaning you are now more efficient as long as you don't get overrun?
At least in theory.
But I only have a handful of games on Shard and might be absolutely wrong.

[whole oxide]

wait

they're changing the tree so you can't navigate across left/right just before the keystones??

fuck. that.

[eternal junco]

shardspam was way higher dps and crowd clear

Still is iirc

+secondary shard generates loads of peril

[rapid frigate]

But only short term.
If you spam, you used to run out of shards pretty fast.

[eternal junco]

they come back pretty fast

[rapid frigate]

Also true.
Eh... I will just have to see how it feels ingame.
Because the shards were a blessing for a Potato-Aim player like myself :D

[near wyvern]

The change is not live yet

[rapid frigate]

I know!

[regal musk]

where did you read that?

[eternal junco]

I think shard should get a stat buff but track towards where your crosshair is

[whole oxide]

● Fixed an area around the combat ability in the Psyker tree, where talent node paths

would allow for incorrect navigational behaviour

[summer prairie]

if it's really that, it would be a ridiculous change

[whole oxide]

its not in the psyker section of the notes, its in the miscellaneous stuff near the bottom of the page

[summer prairie]

you wouldn't even be able to take venting shriek with DD

[near wyvern]

Well not ridiculous but it will hurt a lot of builds, you can either get increased quell speed or kinetic deflection but not both

[potent echo]

where is "around the combat ability"

[regal musk]

Ok, But that doesnt specifically state theyre removing paths?