psyker-class

[harsh urchin]

or they die to 3 poxwalkers

[olive ember]

We were doing sniper gauntlet

And he had no clue how to dodge snipers

[spice veldt]

come to the dark side

[olive ember]

Fucking elitist

[plucky flax]

I always blame myself for wiping because I didn't manage to pull out the meme clutch but games like these make me hit that block button on everyone.

[idle aurora]

Atleast it's very easy to farm 500 teammates resque penance

[olive ember]

Whenever Arco begs for nerfs remember he only plays with super humans

[spice veldt]

wtf

[olive ember]

The rest of us mere mortals are all blocked by him

[harsh urchin]

ive only seen clips of arco dying

[plucky flax]

[harsh urchin]

never seen clips of him doing anything cool

[olive ember]

Carried by superhumans

Be blocks anyone who can’t carry him

Anyways memes aside

When will crusher rework show up

I need to use crit bleed crusher build

[plucky flax]

It's easier to block now that the social tab - previously played with work properly.

Don't have to go to steam app.

[spice veldt]

here's a cool revolver shot https://streamable.com/0squ0f

ignore the title

[harsh urchin]

i paused after 4 seconds

v cool revolver play

[olive ember]

Toughness psyker L’s

[spice veldt]

I believe you and thank you

[olive ember]

Wow Arco just ignores me

SMH

[spice veldt]

shame

[orchid nest]

those textures

[olive ember]

He runs rly low graphics

[spice veldt]

smooth like butter

[olive ember]

You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like

[humble star]

ain't no way mkIV dueling sword heavy just got another buff

[orchid nest]

even with the low settings it still looks choppy to me

[spice veldt]

ur choppy

[olive ember]

It’s cuz they are increasing elite health

[orchid nest]

thats true 😢

[ebon jolt]

Why are the nerfing the claw swords? 😦

[mellow barn]

Oh yeah jesus christ I tried it out today.
It's like having Kerillian's Volley of arrows as an ammo type that you can spam for free

What the fuck are guns when you have instant aimbot crystals that kill everything within a 5 foot radius in seconds lol

[olive ember]

Whenever I look at Arco gameplay I’m reminded of this tbh

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[olive ember]

Wrong photo

[humble star]

where subway surfers

[orchid nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhNFrPtbKGc

[shadow wigeon]

spoilers plz, are assail and void still busted?

[spice veldt]

my UI probably takes less space because I'm using the smaller ult indicator from crosshairhud instead of the larger efault one

[humble star]

assail yes, void, no clue

[olive ember]

Sure bud

[spice veldt]

nonbeliever

[humble star]

still can't believe the funny crabwalk was taken away 😔

[hoary badge]

Aka VT1's Trueflight Bow on an ammo crate

[shadow wigeon]

Letting xbox players have it at launch and then taken away days later is cruel. Should've been fixed long ago...

[slow raven]

unnecessary change imo

[twilit badger]

Incredible

They are buffing shield even further

[orchid nest]

i'm kind of surprised infinite dodge lasted this long to be honest. it was fun but nerf was inevitable and keeping knife level dodge amounts is amazing

[slow raven]

if infinite dodge was so op then everyone wouldnt have instantly switched to ds4 just because it does single target slightly better than deimos

[humble star]

Only reason I still used force swords over dueling was due to crabwalking memes

[spice veldt]

"slightly"

that's some deimos cope

[slow raven]

deimos h2 is still good asf

[spice veldt]

yeah and too bad it's only one attack out of the combo

whereas both heavies of the ds4 are good

besides, they gave the force swords an offensive buff

[humble star]

Wonder if deimos mutie H2 oneshots are back on the menu with this buff

[slow raven]

well yeah

i mean, im using ds4 too lmao

[orchid nest]

they should be, the damage was buffed a lot. will be a much more competitive choice than this patch to pick deimos again

[spice veldt]

using weapon =/= having good opinions

[slow raven]

only reason to use deimos right now is the better defense

and it loses that without infinite dodge

[gilded viper]

This discord isn’t a good place for opinions

[still hearth]

What

[harsh urchin]

a lot of people have very very shit opinions lul

[still hearth]

It still had 5 dodges

That's way too many

[harsh urchin]

it's pretty hilarious

[humble star]

Still will have amazing dodge count, we just lose the funny walk

which is still huge because funny > all

[orchid nest]

it still has the amazing fs push too you just didn't have to use it because infinite dodges

[still hearth]

With Surge and Elite damage to Unyielding that's pretty sick

[north cradle]

Doesn't the Chainsword get 4 or 5?

[shadow wigeon]

It's not about total power, it's about being able to abuse it in many situations that ramped psyker defense needlessly. In the OG game it was great for clutching, but it was really silly.

[still hearth]

Transfer Peril to Surge

And Elite to Unyielding

You can keep transfer Peril but it's not as good anymore and Warp Nexus is great

And Surge is thicc

[hoary badge]

I'd personally went Transfer Surge myself since you get decent Crit uptime with True Aim

[humble star]

Safe to say crusher oneshots are no longer a thing when patch goes live?

[shadow wigeon]

Chainsword does indeed have 5. It's a very strong generalist weapon, kinda feels like it replaces where Antax/Rashad was once upon a time.

[north cradle]

Ya I use it to dab on Bulwarks

Surprise 79% Shredder stat to the spinal column, plus Bloodletter to finish you off

[gilded viper]

So what perks and blessings are ideal on a vraks?

[shadow wigeon]

I do shred/wrath or sweep/rampage to replicate old Bromentum vibes on axe, and it's still pretty strong single target.

[gilded viper]

I really don’t care if gunker is bad, I just feel like trying something else out

[fresh reef]

I use BB religiously so, no

[hoary badge]

Headhunters? I'd go some variation of Maniacs, Deadly Accurate

[static needle]

is 34% damage for kantrael MGXII good early game or should i wait for a better one to drop?

[hoary badge]

Gunker with Laspistol is goated too, highly recommend

[humble star]

laspistol is getting buffed too

[gilded viper]

34% is pretty low, but I mean, if you aren’t 30 yet I wouldn’t worry too much about weapon bases

[shadow wigeon]

If you're levelling, yeah it's plenty

[gilded viper]

Yah I currently got a revolver, laspistol and vraks I’m working on

[humble star]

I'd assume surgical for the mkVII Headhunter right?

[fresh reef]

so uh
max toughness build in auric hishock made it feel like low intensity Heresy
pretty sure that's just because I got good teammates for once

[hoary badge]

I with lower base stats I need a high stability on a MGXII more than anything

[copper torrent]

None of the stats matter till level 30 my dude. Just pick the ones with most damage till then.

[hoary badge]

Those things kick like a mule on low ends, couldn't stand them while levelling

[shadow wigeon]

Surgical isn't a great fit for Vraks - it depends on your base crit a bit, and how long you have to hold it to get 100% or high number.
But many of your vraks shots will just be semi auto, no time for surgical to build stacks.

[static needle]

This any good?

[gilded viper]

10/10

[humble star]

the mkVII is the single shot one right? Especially after this next patch it's the slower firing option. IDK what other crit blessing would fit it better

You won't need to use it, but if you want guaranteed crit, surgical is the only way for it.

[hoary badge]

Surgical VII is perfectly fine. I'm playing it like a makeshift helbore with better zoom and sights

[shadow wigeon]

Many blessings in this game exist primarily for certain weapons, but are available on others for flavour/build variety. Surgical suits helbore/revolver more. You can make it work on Vraks, but you won't get benefit from it most of the time, is all. the crit bonus on vraks is good, so it will benefit you nonetheless.

[plucky flax]

Hrmm lvl 34 psyker in auric playing assail voidstrike.

Must be good amiright?

[shadow wigeon]

Headhunter, for instance - especially if you're base crit is high - will be very strong (on average)

[gilded viper]

Easy to be better than Hellbore sights, which is a shame I like the mk3 a bunch

[humble star]

Like I said, what other crit blessing works better for a semi auto DMR though... None of the other ones can guarantee a crit when you need it for big damage.

[fresh reef]

this is definitely one of the builds of all time https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a66c593-1df3-49e0-a599-c85c5aca1f8a/lol-2

[humble star]

if we are talking the mkIII then I fully agree with skipping surgical, but you can def make a case for it on the mkVII

[plucky flax]

Bro took 1.3k damage as psyker and was both deaths. They should nerf assail and voidstrike even further so guys like this don't cluster up my meme games.

[shadow wigeon]

It's a DMR though so it's leaning towards dmaage over time - If you're base crit is 20%, then HH will stack up to big numbers very quikly, and with no downtime.

It's really what style you want to play

[shadow wigeon]

The newbies that are failing forward through auric is pretty rough on the game.

[humble star]

With the changes to it's magsize and firerate, HH will be worse for it than it ever has been. But like you said, it depends on the style you like

[pale pilot]

cool, smite buffs, assail nerfs, and also i guess take force swords behind the shed and shoot them unless they get a pretty good damage buff as a trade for losing infinite dodges

[plucky flax]

I'm excuting operation mass blocking.

[keen slate]

Weren't warp-charges removed on brain rapture?

[shadow wigeon]

"worse than it has ever been" doesn't mean anything. You can do the math if you like. How long do you have to get hold surgical to get what damage, vs firing more shots with higher average crit chance.

[keen slate]

Penance tells me to kill elits or specialists with max warp charges

[plucky flax]

Oh he was also xbox player.

[humble star]

I'm stating the facts that the role of the weapon has just been changed. To suit surgical much better than it did in the past

[plucky flax]

More reason to block.

[gilded viper]

Yes warp charges are now a keystone not tied to brain burst

[humble star]

before I would've agreed with you

[spice veldt]

is very interesting to have new players that follow you around, even if you're just running around a sidepath and looting, and then I look back to see 2 players behind me

[hoary badge]

Just keep in mind the patch is still slated for changes

[gilded viper]

They’re learning the loot spots, fine by me

[plucky flax]

This is big pp party

[gilded viper]

Teaching the greenhorns book/grim locations in vt2 is endearing

[shadow wigeon]

Sure, surgical will be better than before, that is not the same as it being better than HH - maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Like I said, you can do the math to see what it's like in both scenarios.

[keen slate]

Then wtf did it count as warp charges because I never used left keystone

[spice veldt]

true, though they don't loot at all if I don't myself loot

so I can't even split the team and push ahead or else they won't loot

[thin finch]

really wanted those toughness bonus

[shadow wigeon]

I can't do it. I can't blame them, what do they know. I do quit void/assail games now though.

[gilded viper]

🤷

[olive ember]

.>

[spice veldt]

I don't block players anymore cuz I don't have a melee playstyle anymore so I don't get annoyed

god bless america for giving me assail

[gilded viper]

I ran out of block slots

[fresh reef]

the fruits of my labors

[spice veldt]

that too

i'm capped at 50 😔

[olive ember]

Are you gonna unblock players?

[hoary badge]

Veteran-psykinetic

[wet belfry]

Only 50????

[olive ember]

Where’s the mass pardon

[gilded viper]

Really hurts huh

[gilded viper]

But can they bring this meeting to an accord?

[thin finch]

hope it's worth it

[spice veldt]

prolly not too lazy

[olive ember]

Can’t believe it

[humble star]

I mean you started it with this comment, my guy. I was simply showing how it's a much better fit than you seem to think now

[fresh reef]

feels like it so far but my luck has been insane. haven't had to hard carry yet today

[spice veldt]

not 225
pathetic

[plucky flax]

They must have some sort of idea that they're not ready for this mode. I used to be nice too but since patch the amount of meme players become way too frequent for my liking.

[olive ember]

Maybe it was their first match madge

[fresh reef]

time to queue for maelstrom with this shitter build

will post scoreboard

match in progress dear god help me

[spice veldt]

toughness greed build is op

[plucky flax]

Mmm yes let's queue up auric quickplay as soon as I get to lvl 30.

[spice veldt]

not deranged at all

[fresh reef]

BRO WHAT

[wet belfry]

Well its time for me to play the second most busted build rn.

Unforunate

Gunlugger ogryn gogo

[gilded viper]

They prevent cata queuing until you best all lords on legend how did we go so far backwards in dt?

[golden frigate]

it's happened to me some months ago because I was playing voidstrike lmao

they just said something like "no meme builds in damnation" and kicked me lol

[spice veldt]

owned

toughness users are the most oppressed

[fierce crest]

whoever that scrub that was saying i dont play damnation and the assail nerf might be too far, this shit is stupid and im forgetting to use it half the time

55 melee kills smh what am i doing

[humble star]

wtf did you do

[shadow wigeon]

Ok, final answer for you. Vraks shoots 6 times per second right now. Unless they slow it down 1/s or something, surgical is not a natural fit on it at all. HH will guarantee you 1 crit per second, and 4-5 normal hits. Surgical be 1 maybe 1.5 crits/second, unless they make dramatic changes. It's a different play style. If you are going to show something please use maths.

[shadow wigeon]

The problem is how much damage some of the builds put out. They just nuke and die.

[wet belfry]

I dont get personally why FS are pushing vraks marks all into crit

They severly misunderstand their own weapons design.

[shadow wigeon]

It usd to be that Damnation would absolutely spank you fi you played wrong, but it's so much easier to get damage out now.

[blissful ore]

This was only the case on launch
Regular damnation has been pretty easy for a long time now

[humble star]

Random crits are random and unreliable, which is why I explicitly stated that having the ability to choose exactly when you need a crit can be nice. Especially on hard hitting DMRs. WTF is critting a random gunner going to do if you oneshot it without crit already? It might not suit your vision for the gun, but it easily has a role with the direction the gun is heading. Better than HH for monster DPS or something isn't the point.

[shadow wigeon]

I guess I mean HISTG vs everything else. It still punished you if you plaeyd wrong, because your team couldn't afford 1 or 2 downed team mates for very long, in most pubs.
Now, you can muscle through it, and the pickup points and much closer and more frequent. The penalty is just much lower.

[blissful ore]

Makes sense they did that
Too many pubs we're struggling to clear it

[half turtle]

hm by "meme player" do you mean "someone using a meme build" or something else

[wary needle]

question, chat - is this solid?

just seeing the pretty numbers and going 'hmmm'

[gilded viper]

They likely mean a fresh lvl 30 that hopped into auric at the first chance given.

[brittle ferry]

I am leveling is there like an assail build I can use

[half turtle]

assail with anything

[brittle ferry]

like what's the most important talents to pick up

[worthy scaffold]

yall got a zap zap class i can follow?

[brittle ferry]

or keystone

[spice veldt]

soulstealer + perilous combustion + true aim

that's basically the "must-picks" and the rest is whatever

[half turtle]

hmm i definitely do a little bit of prestige level elitism now lol

[spice veldt]

oh and Warp Rider in general

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1164308816356196462/IMG_1529.jpg?ex=6542be15&is=65304915&hm=f994d7b9bf6e58d633e3cdc1de54eb0dfc197a59841535bd6fd95290c9696f86&

[half turtle]

i think it's kinda fun to play in a lobby with 2-3 newish players though tbh

[gilded viper]

Does the game tell you your prestige level or is this a mod thing?

[half turtle]

it's a mod, it's called "true level" or something

[spice veldt]

i love getting all the kills cuz new players don't have optimized builds

it's all mine

[half turtle]

yeah clutching also feels really good

i mean not clutching kinda sucks but, them's the breaks

[spice veldt]

gotta get a fix for my perilous combustion addiction

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's just unfortunate execution.
Why should new players be able to crush your top difficulty immediately?
It's a design choice, but I don't think it's a good one.
Mael only has a few variants that are genuinely tougher than HISTG as it is.

So there's very limited end game...

[half turtle]

1. slide 2)stab close head 3) pop far head

[queen fog]

yea one mod shows off levels extending 30, another shows "prestige trust" which is how many times you've gotten 30 levels

[shadow wigeon]

Ironically pre-patch we were sitting there waiting for a HISTG to popup. Now we have infinite, but they aren't what they used to be, s...

[brittle ferry]

should I go down the right tree then

[spice veldt]

some people like to go across and pick Kinetic Presence (+elite/special dmg aura) and take venting shriek

[blissful ore]

Hi shock has to be bugged rn because it's wayyy easier after the patch
The number of spawns are nothing like it used to be

[spice veldt]

I'd say to avoid scrier's gaze unless you want to particularly make it work

[half turtle]

i almost always take venting shriek tbh

[brittle ferry]

so I should take the shield?

[worthy scaffold]

left or right?

[spice veldt]

yeah that would be my general recommendation

[gilded viper]

Ngl, not sure how I feel about mods like that, reminds me of the ultra elitist mvm players in tf2

[half turtle]

get the one that gives stack on elite kill

[worthy scaffold]

right it is

[gilded viper]

Time=/=skill

[brittle ferry]

with the dome upgrade?

[half turtle]

no time == no skill tho

[queen fog]

im with ya on that iron, i dont got any mods

[shadow wigeon]

The reduction in hordes has taken away a threat - I admit that was a sad way to die (to get overwhelmed) but it was still a fun challenge.

But the main thing is just the massive power bump. The HP increase to mobs was not matched to it at all. Plus all the busted weapons...

[spice veldt]

I like the dome since it blocks flamers/trapper nets/beast of nurgle spit

[brittle ferry]

true aim is kinda far node to go get

[half turtle]

flatshield stops dogs mutants and bursters

but dome is better for ranged safety

[gilded viper]

I mean I might grab menu shortcuts so I don’t gotta run to the mission board, and I like scoreboard to measure personal results, but I find elitism in a completely non-competitive pve game a little cringe

[spice veldt]

I find it cheaper than going for warp charges, and True Aim does enable more consistency with Mettle/Perfect Timing

[blissful ore]

Yea I guess they power shifted to maelstrom
Maelstrom feels like how hi shock used to

[shadow wigeon]

The average truelevel 300+ player has a lot more game knowledge, and it's important to know who the newbies are (at least to that class) when you jump in game...

[brittle ferry]

Can I see ur build

[worthy scaffold]

got 2 point left, where should i add it?

[queen fog]

true QoL mods are good

[half turtle]

numeric UI

[gilded viper]

Dome shield and the toughness regen on using enhanced blitz?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, SOME of the maels do... the lack of high intensity mobs makes handling the special/elites/monstrous just to much easier

[spice veldt]

i run a crackhead build, and I recommend that you pick a keystone instead of following my tree
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1164172319711830056/image.png?ex=65423ef6&is=652fc9f6&hm=bd47872335f573106502540822dd7e8c181afdfb261c8e9e3e71d65df8d82f00&

[gilded viper]

Mind in motion isn’t bad either

[worthy scaffold]

?this

[gilded viper]

Yah

[blissful ore]

I'm pretty sure the auric maels are high int by default

[gilded viper]

All auric is hi intensity by default yes

[brittle ferry]

do you crit often or smth

[spice veldt]

esp with true aim, yeah

[shadow wigeon]

All the mael's I've playd since patch have much fewer hordes. They feel empty sometimes.

[spice veldt]

keep in mind that Assail can hit weakspots and stack True Aim

[worthy scaffold]

Can i ask do you have a good staff, bless n etc that i can base on and craft?

[half turtle]

can't go wrong with trauma staff + rending shockwave + warp flurry

[blissful ore]

Yea the hordes are pretty easy now
I think the same amount of chaff spawns, but they stream it in rather then send it all at once

It's def noticable

[gilded viper]

Which staff do you like running? I should say all of them are good, but for this particular build I might avoid purgatus

[worthy scaffold]

usually this staff correct?

see most people say it

but dont know the bless or perk

[shadow wigeon]

On high intenisty, I agree, but Mael does not feel high itensity to me. Feels more like replaced hordes with the specials.
Waves fo Muties was theonly one that forced some build changes for me. They soak too much damage too fast. Dogs + Chaos Spawn is also perenially difficult I find. But otherwise it just feels like a DPS fest and we're stronger now.

[old aurora]

yo is Smite dead now or does it actually do damage? Kinda skeptical cuz +125% of 0 is still 0

[gilded viper]

I still don’t know why people want smite for damage

[old aurora]

same

[worthy scaffold]

whats the name of the trauma staff?

[blissful ore]

Do u play solo or in premade?

[old aurora]

but it doesnt stun as along anymore so you gotta use it for something

[half turtle]

it's just called the trauma staff

[shadow wigeon]

95% pubs, solo

[half turtle]

well it has some stuff in front of it

[orchid nest]

empowered smite should be enough damage now to actually kill the horde chaff it is stunning but beyond that the damage should be insignificant still

[shadow wigeon]

Right, now that you mentioned it... most of my maels are premade since patch, but mostly because the average player level in mael pubs went so low that it was getting silly.

[old aurora]

okay so its basically useless because you can kill hordes otherwise already

[blissful ore]

What would you say your winrate on maels is?
I think there's enough challenge and bad players that I'm at like 40% winrate

[old aurora]

I'll still try it but its kinda making me mad 😄

[orchid nest]

sort of. it will be better with surge staff than it currently is for emperor palpatine memes cause you will have a non melee way of horde clearing still. but yeah not very useful if you have an aoe staff

[shadow wigeon]

yeah 40% or worse on solo pubs. But most of the losses are wipes in under ~~5 ~~ 2 minutes, because 1-2 players have no idea whats going on. So it doesn't really feel like a proper game, really.

[old aurora]

non melee way of clearing hordes? you mean staff?^^

[orchid nest]

I covered that already in the rest of what I said

[old aurora]

I guess so

[blissful ore]

It's more fun if you play solo
It's be super random whether or not you get anyone competent but playing premades is too easy

[worthy scaffold]

that one good with armour units? i mainly use the ice spear and will use staff for crusher

[rocky osprey]

what do you guys recommend for a curio setup? currently running x2 health and +3 stam but I'm wondering if x2 toughness is better

[gloomy obsidian]

Should I replace 1 perk and a blessing or just focus replacing both blessings

[plucky flax]

Someone intentionally or unintentionally sucking ass idk Xd

[gilded viper]

This is the Trauma, Voidstrike, and Surge staff I like running. You might like Surge if you don't want to worry so much about headshot damage.

My Trauma staff isn't the best, you might want better charge rate than what I got

[shadow wigeon]

In my premade we don't use any busted builds, so it's still challenging. And some of the guys aren't top-tier players, it's still fun. And we're almost always pubbing 1 person in, too.

I stopped playing pubs because of the 2 minute wipes. There was just such a big knowledge gap, it wasn't really fun.

[worthy scaffold]

the crusher is flak armour or carapace may i ask?

[gilded viper]

carapace

[worthy scaffold]

tks for the image, will save it for future craft

[gilded viper]

happy to help!

[fierce crest]

lul

[gilded viper]

Hunting Grounds is fun

[half turtle]

is that a mod that compresses them into one entry

[gilded viper]

I know there's one for vt2, so I would imagine there is one for DT idk

[plucky flax]

Hishock is easier but maelstrom feels harder post patch for me.

In maelstrom it seems the specials wave are constantly coming.

[dawn wolf]

"Killfeed improvements" is the name iirc

[half turtle]

trauma with rending is excellent against armor and can stagger entire ogryn patrols onto their butts with a fully charged rmb

i think surge kills a single crusher faster though

[gilded viper]

If they're reducing elite density with the next patch Surge will be buffed indirectly

[shadow wigeon]

Hishock feels closer to old high intensity, and high-intensity feels a bit empty now.
I did a regular damnation recently and it was REALLY empty.

[dawn wolf]

It does. Trauma takes 3 or so blasts to kill a crusher and you have to wait until his "getting up" animation is done before you can topple him again

[orchid nest]

yeah surge and voidstrike will kill them faster but trauma trivializes them as being a threat to your team

[plucky flax]

Because classes' power level went up.

But as I said they seem to buff auric maelstrom missions specifically.

[fierce crest]

ye, and a mod that makes it last longer

[plucky flax]

And the new melee only modifier is quite hard when these dudes can't dodge overhead and get 1 shotted by mauler/crusher.

[shadow wigeon]

The thinner hordes, to me make a big difference. HISTG was really challenging when you had to fight off specials in the middle of a horde. That's not really a problem often anymore, so the special consequently are also easier to deal with.

[harsh urchin]

I think their goal was to reduce the amount of times when you run into like 3-4 shoot hordes in histg

[shadow wigeon]

Oh that one was great haha, I did 2 triples rescues in one game, as stealth zealot. Noone quit though, to their credit.

[harsh urchin]

and it's basically impossible to push through without a pre-nerf vet

blasting them all with 75% UF and infinite volley fire

[plucky flax]

I notice way more elite shooters post patch.

[orchid nest]

I assumed thinner but longer hordes was to help console performance

[shadow wigeon]

Maybe, but it does remove what was maybe a frustrating loss condition for some people. Just getting overwhelmed with trash, not understanding toughness/chip damage/dodging/blocking

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure

[half turtle]

melee modifier is so much easier with trauma btw

[plucky flax]

84 elite shooters killed by meself in 32 mins

[half turtle]

i actually love it

[shadow wigeon]

I have almost no VT2 experience (I Sienna'ed, a bit), im totally new to melee, so learning that whole side of the game and how to manage toughness and stamina in mixed hordes was very fun, personally.
It's still there, but it doesn't feel desperate, like it used to - and that was kinda fun.

[orchid nest]

yeah you can actually carry an entire team on your back through melee maelstrom with trauma especially with rending shockwave helping them out

[plucky flax]

79 elite shooters in 29 mins. So many elite shooters.

[spice veldt]

I wuv trauma

[steel flame]

Thasit?

I expected better

[plucky flax]

2 sub lvl 30 guys and one kinda low ish total level guy inflating my damage.

[half turtle]

vt2 didn't stop stam regen on dodges so actually playing a bunch of vt2 fucked up my instincts for melee mixed horde management in this game lol

[fierce crest]

scrub, its gonna be strong anyway

[fathom adder]

No wonder I didn't understand the hype behind Assail and assumed I was missing something important.

[shadow wigeon]

Oh, interesting, didn't know that.
Yeah you really gotta watch the meters a bit in this.

[fierce crest]

[spice veldt]

god bless kinetic deflection

[plucky flax]

Started this game with zealot first make me really pro at meleeing.

I'm like top 1%.

[fierce crest]

theres a mod that changes it back, private games only obv

[spice veldt]

I made neat changes to my stamina bar UI for vet and they really made kinetic deflection basically a free pick

should be moved to the left branch

[half turtle]

i played a crapton of zealot but zealot just feels really bad in a lot of situations for reasons i can't describe easily

[fierce crest]

leftcels stay winning

[plucky flax]

Hrm interesting. I consider myself psyker and zealot main.

[half turtle]

i think just the ranged shooter situation means you need to be spending a lot of time run-and-gunning and i hate that

[plucky flax]

Oh I'm going in.

Slide dodge and hope I won't die.

[spice veldt]

I trust in heavy sword

[half turtle]

yes it works until you accidentally peek the hallway with 12 gunners in it

[fierce crest]

im just a sucker for BB shriek

its the classic

[plucky flax]

That's the perfect situation to dash in.

[half turtle]

bb shriek is great

[half turtle]

yes but then your dash accidentally peeks the hallway behind that with 12 more gunners in it, and...

dash zealot basically feels like repeatedly tossing coins and hoping you don't get 3 tails in a row

it works most of the time and it's fun but i just don't like that sometimes you get fucked really hard for it

[carmine agate]

is empowered or void siphon better for surge staff?

[half turtle]

skill issue etc etc

[fierce crest]

well empowered doesnt do anything for surge staff so

[carmine agate]

ah ok

[fierce crest]

it only affects your blitz

[gilded viper]

Void siphon is warp charges right? I mean +24% damage is great

[fierce crest]

except the leeching mod that gives you toughness

but the rest of it is just for your blitz

[carmine agate]

the shriek removing that 24% is pain

[reef nacelle]

Did they nerf void staff

[gilded viper]

Yah, but I also run a purge build so I can get the charges back quickly enough

[carmine agate]

oh im using surge staff now

was purg ytd

gonna do trauma tmr

[gilded viper]

Staves are fun

[fierce crest]

well empowered gives +0% all the time to your staff

[carmine agate]

now if only they dont remove my loadouts again..

[fresh reef]

update: TOUGHNESS BUILD GOOD????

[reef nacelle]

The nerf to assail changed nothing right

250-200 base

And they actually buffed the right click

[fresh reef]

changed the breakpoints for a few elites I think

[fresh reef]

also lol

[fierce crest]

screenshot

[plucky flax]

47 mins game.

[harsh urchin]

no it's potentially a big nerf lol

[fresh reef]

build used btw
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a66c593-1df3-49e0-a599-c85c5aca1f8a/lol-2

[harsh urchin]

20% less damage breaks a few breakpoints for specials, and also takes the breakpoint for killing certain trash from 2 hits to 3 hits

[fresh reef]

by no means optimal

[fierce crest]

curretly 475 unarmored headshot, 357 infested headshot

-20%

[harsh urchin]

will have to see in-game how impactful it is

[plucky flax]

Hrm don't have a better example post patch with more elite shooters but when you get into their face and dodge around they sort of just stand still. I've dashed into elite range packs many times since patch
https://youtu.be/YYKAIX8fADU?t=800

[half turtle]

oh yeah i know about the melee locking, i just mean that when you push forward you sometimes aggro more stuff, and it can snowball

[plucky flax]

Zealot for me is better at surviving solo than ogryn. Very smol and nimble.

I can juke specials so much easier as zealot with the sppeeeed.

[fierce crest]

this is why you run nade guantlet

[half turtle]

yeah actually i feel like zealot feels awesome in every situation that isn't a big open shooting gallery room full of shooters

[fierce crest]

bonk every special in the face from any range

[half turtle]

it just feels really shitty in that situation and that situation comes up a lot

i guess i should just run stealth

[plucky flax]

I don't have that problem.

[harsh urchin]

why not just run at them?

[plucky flax]

I have better win rate on zealot than psyker this patch.

[half turtle]

i do

[harsh urchin]

zealot has all the tools

to just walk up

[half turtle]

it works like 80+% of the time

90+% even

[harsh urchin]

if you target the dash, you move 3x the distance

[half turtle]

yeah

[plucky flax]

Oh actually I have a decent example post patch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CFixK92vi0

At the start I was running into shooters.

[half turtle]

well ok so i guess the best analogy to why this feels bad to me is like, imagine a gigantic room that's like a 200m square, and there's a basic shooter or sniper or whatever at each corner and you don't have a ranged weapon

that's what playing zealot feels like to me

it's not even dying necessarily, it's just like randomly getting my toughness stripped and going "ok i guess i need to go hit that one guy in particular"

"time to use my autogun i guess"

[spice veldt]

+toughness on dodge 😎 no icd btw

[half turtle]

i didn't even know that was a thing now

[fierce crest]

so 380 unarmored heads, ~285 infested heads
groaners still a 1shot, poxwalkers still a 2shot

[spice veldt]

on the top-right side branch

leading into the knives

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt yo you see that fucking scoreboard my dude?

[half turtle]

and then right when i finally get on top of him after sprint-sliding nonstop for like 10 seconds, the veteran finally decides to change target prio and just shoots him

that part is also annoying

[rain meadow]

well bois

its been good but

[fierce crest]

wait assail does the same damage to flak as infested

no wonder it feels like it does good damage to flak armor

it does

[rain meadow]

inifinite lightning is dead

next update

[steel flame]

I hit 900k with blazing trauma in most auric missions I take it in

[rain meadow]

so use it while ya can

[steel flame]

Trauma go brrrrrr

[fresh reef]

Trauma go brr

[steel flame]

Too bad about perilous combustion nerf tho

[rain meadow]

yeah but like

[plucky flax]

Zealot got buffed in a way that you can easily take thy wrath be swift together with hr now so you always immune to stun and get that safety net at the same time.

[steel flame]

It's like they are hell bent on not giving ups multiples of 4 soulblaze stacks

[half turtle]

oh that's kinda nice

i haven't really played that much zealot since the patch tbh

[raw oriole]

yeesh

[plucky flax]

Well I linked a clip earlier 4 mins clutch.

[steel flame]

GIVE ME GODDAM BLAZING SPIRITS FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUR

[plucky flax]

No problem clearing shooters for me using the zealot kit.

[reef nacelle]

Was void strike nerfed

[fierce crest]

ye

[steel flame]

MY TRAUMA THIRSTS FOR 8 STACKS OF SOULBLAZE

[reef nacelle]

How?

[rain meadow]

i cant tell if this is a nerf or a buff, i think its gonna depend a LOT on playstyle

over all i think its probably a nerf tho

because they gave them more damage aswell

[raw oriole]

I liked the unique factor of infinidodge. Class identity.

[rain meadow]

yeah, but more cleave

[half turtle]

wow they buffed the melee bash

[fierce crest]

yeah they buffed a bunch of those

on guns too

[reef nacelle]

Wow they gutted it

100dmg

[fierce crest]

90

[half turtle]

yeah i think that's not the kind of situations i mean

[fresh reef]

still solidly A tier tbh

[fierce crest]

yeah its gonna be fine

[limber heath]

gonna be honest, combat knife dodge is basically infinite so this doesn't really do much

[reef nacelle]

Yeah and look at the armour mods

[fierce crest]

needing a second slightly charged shot to kill crushers

[half turtle]

it's more stuff like, really big rooms with unreachable railings, and just packs of gunners spawning in into different corners

[reef nacelle]

-20% dmg on rushers

[raw oriole]

This is good to know. I've not touched the combat knife.

[reef nacelle]

Crushers

[languid osprey]

purg news?

[fierce crest]

cant 1shot the tankiest non boss in the game

[languid osprey]

or it is the same?

[plucky flax]

Can't relate to this.

[fierce crest]

just got the bash buff

[reef nacelle]

They also buffed their hp

[half turtle]

it's also mostly just really annoying

[limber heath]

its moreso if you're capping out on dodges (i think combat knife has 5 or 6 but not sure) then you're spamming dodge too much

[half turtle]

i think my clear rate on zealot is fine

i just hate it

[olive ember]

Eh just means voidstrike won’t one shot crushers

[fierce crest]

yeah

[limber heath]

thammer dodge buff kinda sex tho

[fierce crest]

its still gonna be great

[half turtle]

im gonna try thammer again again again

after these most recent buffs

i still don't like it

[fierce crest]

doesnt look like they touched its stagger for some reason

[languid osprey]

is not like void staff can perma down crushers anyway

[raw oriole]

[rain meadow]

someone is gonna have to volunteer to read the patch notes to the ogryn mains

i dont trust the zealots or vets to do it

so its gonna have to be one of us

[strong gulch]

Just had a dam with a level 30 psyker tho assailed EVERY burster. Yes, they did explode on players.

[half turtle]

this is the real buff tho

[rain meadow]

true

[languid osprey]

the way the emperor intended

[carmine agate]

[olive ember]

Now if only they made surge staff good

[languid osprey]

i mean we are 1 step from playing bloons td6

[fierce crest]

the one time to switch off assail

[plucky flax]

Pls buff it make it even stronger

[strong gulch]

I mean if it was Josho, I'd get it. This one just spammed. No cool silly kills.

[spice veldt]

THE TOUGHNESS BUILD IS REAAAAL

[full panther]

surge is busted, lmao

[olive ember]

Wdym I have btd6 on in the background

[full panther]

just not as busted as voidstrike

[olive ember]

I mean yes they should buff it

No matter how much copium inhaled surge is meh

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

Surge is busted is a take

A take I wholeheartedly disagree with but

It’s a take

[languid osprey]

i want to give a fair try to purg this patch

how should i build it? dome/smite??

[plucky flax]

Maybe you don't know how to play surge its strong af.

[full panther]

you have presented exactly as much evidence for surge being meh as anyone saying its busted

[spice veldt]

purg is the same as usual

[olive ember]

It’s like it was before, one charge melts anything except mutants and ogryns n the like

[spice veldt]

tbh I just ran purg without building around it

[olive ember]

Two charges will kill mutants or ogryns except crusher

[pale pilot]

it makes me sad that all the soulfire nodes are "hug the left side"

[spice veldt]

though I always run the crit talents so I didn't need to build around purg that much anyways

[raw oriole]

Has anyone done the math on whether or not Surge Staff has faster TTK than Voidstrike on Carapace based on #14 notes?

[languid osprey]

and with what should i pair it i think the dome will be cool with the boffs

[olive ember]

I’ve said why it’s mid before people just disagree so eh

[long wharf]

The reduction of spupblaze stacks on elite/specialist kill strikes me as unnecessary

[spice veldt]

it was VERY necessary

[fierce crest]

they nerf combustion and still dont let me take wildfire with assail

i cry

[olive ember]

I pair it with AB shriek and BB like the old days

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion is one of the strongest talents currently on the tree

https://streamable.com/1crzqz

[olive ember]

Tho dome is pretty good in general

[spice veldt]

literally free damage

for doing nothing

[languid osprey]

oldie but goldie tbh

[spice veldt]

and it's a 2 point cost to access it

and you're almost guaranteed to take soulstealer anyways

[full panther]

I'm just confused, no one is saying it's better than voidstrike but that doesn't mean it's not good at what it does

[spice veldt]

so 1 point cost in practice

[long wharf]

It can't be free - you have to kill to proc it

[plucky flax]

Surge creeping flame build is cracked up.

[spice veldt]

free as in you don't have to change anything to get a benefit out of it

[raw oriole]

flashbang warning

[olive ember]

It isn’t good in general

[spice veldt]

and now that there are more elites

[olive ember]

I’d sooner take purge or trauma before surge for anything

[fierce crest]

which they are also nerfing

[languid osprey]

are u playing on roblox?

[fierce crest]

leftcels seething

[spice veldt]

still 7.5% btw

[olive ember]

The two things going for it are alright crusher damage and ease of use

[spice veldt]

how did you know 😊

[full panther]

lol yes, you have said that several times now

[plucky flax]

Can kill elites, specials, and shooters faster.

[languid osprey]

looks cool

[full panther]

and when I asked why you thought so you basically said "I don't like it"

[olive ember]

Lmao

[long wharf]

On the upside, stabbing with a dueling sword will be even stronger

[olive ember]

If you like 90% peril to kill singular crusher then you do you

[full panther]

tf roll are you using that you get 90% charge for 2 altfires?

[spice veldt]

and I think a 4m radius area is often underestimated https://streamable.com/o7myk5

[olive ember]

3

[plucky flax]

Hrmm 900k damage in 39 mins and over 100 specials kill seem okay to me.

[fierce crest]

heretical revolver attachment

[spice veldt]

don't worry i got permission from the emp

[olive ember]

A surge staff takes 3 charges to kill a crusher

[raw oriole]

Is Disrupt Destiny really all that underpowered? I've been running it with a ton of uptime. Based on #14 notes, I think I'll still be packing Assail, Voidstrike, Disrupt Destiny.

[spice veldt]

he told me "that's chill bro"

[spice veldt]

the benefit it provides is very good, but the main problem is "what is the uptime on your stacks"

I enjoy it VERY much on melee maelstrom

[olive ember]

It’s way of gaining and upkeeping stacks is a bit iffy but the stat bonuses themselves are pretty stronk

[fierce crest]

and how much peril is that

[olive ember]

90

[fierce crest]

how

[olive ember]

Unless you run warp charges ofc but

[fierce crest]

its not even 70 for me

[plucky flax]

Maybe it's skill issue.

[olive ember]

I’d show you but I’m not home

[spice veldt]

a disrupt destiny assail shard deals 1.7k damage on a crit weakspot 😎 https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

this is what god intended for assail

[fierce crest]

i get 22 per full charge

[inland whale]

holy shit ive never seen the game look like that before

[primal radish]

after patch 14 is deimos clearly worse than dueling sword 4? unless you need deflector...

[spice veldt]

the time for new experiences is now

[fierce crest]

old experiences

[analog solstice]

What i dont like about the warp charges build is if you use your ability you lose all your stacks so you never really wanna use your ability 🫠

[fierce crest]

just gain them back

[olive ember]

It’s a bit weird yeah

[near wyvern]

We don't know the breakpoints yet so impossible to say at this point.

[raw oriole]

Yeah this is it. This is what I live for. Purging glowing blue heretics is what I live for.

[olive ember]

Tho since I ran AB purge before I’m used to the whole stack gain/loss dance

[signal galleon]

anyone want to do a private heresy? need to get some penances done

[full panther]

I just tested and I got 66% perils with 3 shots on my surge staff, w/o any warp charges

[manic halo]

psykers nerfed

Millions must peril

[near wyvern]

At this point a little bit of nerfing is justified

[viscid matrix]

it may be a peril hog, but its still one of the balanced weapons we have

[near wyvern]

There are some way overtuned shit in our kit ATM

[small sinew]

"Fixed an area around the combat ability in the Psyker tree, where talent node paths would allow for incorrect navigational behaviour"

I don't like the way this is worded. Surely they would just flatten it and not make Psyker hard chose between ability and keystone....right

[fierce crest]

yeah idk how theyre getting 90

[pale pilot]

so why is perilous combustion so good?

[fierce crest]

-40% warp resist i guess

[full panther]

dude is rocking a 225 rating surge staff and claiming they suck

[viscid matrix]

shit warp resist on their surge staff

[fierce crest]

good damage in an aoe for doing what you should be doing anyway

[near wyvern]

Play hunting grounds to see the extremeties of what it can do

[raw oriole]

Force sword damage buffs looking

[spice veldt]

free damage https://streamable.com/o7myk5

also, I think people don't realize that soulblaze has nonlinear stacking

[full panther]

I actually find surge staff is extremely spammable, especially once you get warp charges going

[spice veldt]

and that a 4m radius circle is a very sizeable area

[fierce crest]

true

[near wyvern]

Nonlinear up to around 10 then linear up to around 20 and rest is logarithmic

[fierce crest]

they should buff the radius to compensate for the lost stack

[fickle onyx]

Does +ranged damage perk affects secondary action damage of surge staff?

[shadow wigeon]

The surge spam to shriek loop is very strong

[full panther]

Exactly what I'm running

[pale pilot]

so how good are those force sword buffs? good enough to lose the infinite dodge?

[viscid matrix]

omg assail just got buffed, are FS high?

[plucky flax]

My illisi smite surge build have me spamming surge and creeping flame for 80% off the map.

[near wyvern]

Yes

[plucky flax]

It's very strong.

[spice veldt]

im genuinely surprised that they didn't nerf the ammo count

my expectations were too high

oh well

[fierce crest]

they really want it to stay as a spam weapon

[viscid matrix]

its broken now, it does double base damage on secondary targeting, which then can go hit 6 targets

[spice veldt]

more time for me to abuse it

[fierce crest]

alt primary thing

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-lesnar-explode-gif-6176749

Surge Staff
● Added gibbing to Surge Staff kills

[full panther]

Yep. I keep going back and forth between smite and BB depending on how annoyed I am by my teammates not killing snipers at any given point in time, but otherwise I'm rocking the same and it's insane how strong it is

[clear heath]

noooo

[plucky flax]

Derpy I think just use surge without utilising the rest of the kit then flame it without any proper testing and thoughts.

[knotty sage]

means we psykers can use 2 combat abilities simultaneously?

[brittle ferry]

warp siphon is the go to keystone right

[viscid matrix]

what the hell does the 20 hp mean? 20 seperate hits?

[olive ember]

I’m not going to be gaslit into running surge again

[full panther]

depends on your build, it's incredible with shriek because it lets you offload a lot of perils repeatedly

[spice veldt]

simply intuit the meaning through the morphogenetic field

[pale pilot]

no, it just means that starting psykers/low level psykers can use their default ability to not explode

[raw oriole]

This also seems real fucking tough...

[full panther]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[plucky flax]

It's cool no one can tell you what to run but you can't just claim surge staff is in a bad place right now.

[viscid matrix]

hmm mobs are still gonna die in 1 hit

[olive ember]

It is

[fierce crest]

only scrubs think that

[spice veldt]

psykers will no longer get baited by penance descriptions thinking that they can use the non-augmented version to quell and then they die

[fierce crest]

are you a scrub?

[olive ember]

And I know it is because if it isn’t I know certain people in this discord would be clowning all over me rn

[full panther]

you're arguing with a wall

[slow raven]

surge is nice but you have a big blind spot for boss damage

[plucky flax]

Aye I give up.

[slow raven]

at least void is serviceable

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic halo]

Would you like me to clown on you now?

[fierce crest]

axe

[brittle ferry]

what if I do void + assail

[olive ember]

Surge is just mid

[manic halo]

um

Bitch!

boy

[fickle onyx]

What perks should I put on surge staff?

[manic halo]

ah

little piss babyu

[olive ember]

Lmao

[manic halo]

huh? gonna cry?

[full panther]

Flurry and Nexus

[manic halo]

Gonna shit your pants maybe?

[fierce crest]

WE DID IT SIBLINGS, UPGRADED FROM BAD TO MID

[olive ember]

Perks

[viscid matrix]

warp nexus and warp flurry

unyeilding and Carapace

[clear heath]

surge good

[manic halo]

maybe shit and nut?

[slow raven]

what like rashad? is that good boss damage? i havent used it this patch. didnt seem that good for boss dmg in the past

[olive ember]

LMAO I genuinely preferred old surge

[fickle onyx]

Ye I already have those what about perks

[spice veldt]

I enjoy clowning on you and the only reason I don't is because I haven't used the surge at all to have an opinion about it

[viscid matrix]

the shit tier one that did tiny amount of damage?

[olive ember]

Use it then

[clear heath]

wtf is this the staff bonk?

[spice veldt]

no

[olive ember]

SMH

[spice veldt]

YEAH BABEEEEEEEEEE

[full panther]

It did a shitton of stagger

it was very useful for that

[spice veldt]

THAT'S WHAT IT NEEEEDED

[viscid matrix]

yep

[full panther]

old surge was basically current smite

[spice veldt]

WE MAKING IT OUT OF TERTIUM WITH THIS ONE

[clear heath]

now you have to become a surge staff user

[viscid matrix]

smite does that now

[plucky flax]

Old surge good bit new surge is better.

[spice veldt]

also still 0% carapace damage

I find that particularly humorous

[olive ember]

New surge takes 3 charges to kill singular crusher

[full panther]

I know, I'm just explaining why he might prefer it. I don't agree with him at all, tbh.

[olive ember]

It’s genuinely a meme

[fierce crest]

remember what they took from us

[fickle onyx]

0 => 0
Ggwp

[clear heath]

I'm pretty consistently getting top damage with surge staff

[plucky flax]

Purg is genuinely our worst staff now.

[olive ember]

LMAO

[fierce crest]

oh dear mute the audio, idk why darktide always records like that

[olive ember]

alright someone is baiting

Ima stop

[full panther]

you're not wrong about that

[viscid matrix]

finaly

[plucky flax]

Purg is out shine by blaze trauma in every single way.

[fierce crest]

being a flamethrower

oop

looks like purg wins

[olive ember]

When blaze trauma can melt mauler packs in one charge I’ll believe you

[spice veldt]

rip bozo

give purg shattering impact

[plucky flax]

Want to compare actually ttk?

[clear heath]

we can get a lot of aoe soulblaze from talents with very little opportunity cost so i don't feel compelled to use purg much

[olive ember]

By all means

I run both so idrc

[plucky flax]

When purg can kill crushers packs faster than trauma I'll believe you.

[clear heath]

any pack of elites that are actually vulnerable to soulblaze can be memed to death with a talent by just killing 2 of them. purg staff is unecessary for elite pack benchmarks

[spice veldt]

purg does still apply a lot of soulblaze

[olive ember]

[spice veldt]

and spamming the LMB provides an appreciable amount of stagger

though it's not a generalist so I don't care to defend it

rip purg

[clear heath]

yeah i'm just saying that if we're talking elite packs that take soulblaze damage, entire pack is dead from 2-3 kills

[spice veldt]

that's time for my team to deal damage and get a higher score 😔

it is very funny to kill a bunch of ragers/maulers/crushers at a chokepoint and then they all die to perilous combustion

because DoTs in an AoE are very balanced when you have to change nothing about your playstyle to benefit from it

[viscid matrix]

only time i use purga, is when there is a vet there already who is spec into killing specials, so i deal with the trash

[olive ember]

And what do you use otherwise

[full panther]

even then, I feel like shriek covers a lot of the same niche

especially with warp charges, it'll be back up in seconds

[viscid matrix]

i use it in a support build, burning hordes, dome shields

[carmine agate]

i like purg for the rapid fire LMB puffs to stagger stuff

[clear heath]

why use purg staff when you can kill their elite friends and scream at them

[spice veldt]

mmm, shriek isn't as consistent

tbf, hordes do last longer and are lower in intensity nowadays

so having some consistent output is nice

though 6 stacks of soulblaze is more than enough in other situations

[clear heath]

shriek is pretty frequent if you build for it

[spice oar]

especially with warp charges

[viscid matrix]

dome warp charges bug wasnt mentioned

[full panther]

especially on maelstrom, where specials are dying so often you get it back very quick

[spice veldt]

ah right psykinetic's aura

my beloved

why is it on the left tree

[clear heath]

yeah aura and warp charges makes it more spammable

[spice veldt]

you've taken my child away from me

[clear heath]

but taking those does require giving stuff up

[pale pilot]

so if going full soulfire purgatus staff, do i want brain rupture which i don't super gel with or smite?

[viscid matrix]

grab a blaze trauma instead

[full panther]

smite is probably good, keep them locked down while they burn

but BB does let you reach out and touch snipers that you'd otherwise have to rely on teammates to kill

and for that alone I do like it

[pale pilot]

that is not part of the assignment

[shadow wigeon]

Old Surge was my favourite staff, and did not like the change at first, but I'm enjoying the new one - mostly because the creeping flames build makes it a really frenetic playstyle. I think it's a bit too strong, TBH.

[full panther]

[olive ember]

You can literally do that with any other staff :/

[clear heath]

The op fire talents really kinda complete the build when using surge staff tbh

[viscid matrix]

its getting a little bit of a nerf in the coming patch, but still gonna be good

[olive ember]

sigh well it’s gonna be like the eviscerator

Maybe in 3 months opinions will change

[pale pilot]

but now that it's been brought up why is blaze trauma good?

[plucky flax]

Surge has long range and kill specials super fast?

[spice veldt]

trauma but fire

[viscid matrix]

because it can put out almost as much soulflame as what purga can

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

Maybe I’m just tired

[ornate sedge]

man i really hate the way crafting works. gotta get a hundred voidstrike staffs before i get the blessings i want

[olive ember]

Darktide crafting isn’t good yeah

Here’s hoping they fix it one of these days

[clear heath]

it used to be so much worse too

[pale pilot]

and you throw out enough booms to get crits on it or what?

[shadow wigeon]

Creeping Flames? I think surge does it much better than the other staffs... it leans into it specifically. The other don't really.

[plucky flax]

If you don't think creeping flame surge build is strong then idk nothing can convince you
https://youtu.be/9e0oBfL4nqo

[clear heath]

wow that is my exact equipment setup

[orchid nest]

I hope one step on the road to fixing it is just removing material pickups in missions and having missions give a static amount per difficulty and modifier. I think they will have to do this as part of making a solo mode for when they eventually do that anyways because exploring everywhere solo sucks real bad

[clear heath]

Do our talent trees look the same too?

[plucky flax]

I show it at the start of the video.

[clear heath]

oh

[plucky flax]

But yeah take all the fire talents.

[clear heath]

oh it's exactly the same except i take essence harvest instead of inner tranq

[full panther]

I went back and forth but I eventually settled on tranq myself, especially for surge

[plucky flax]

We generate lots of toughness already so I don't feel the need for that.

[shadow wigeon]

I don't take any talents past warp siphon

I don't hold to the stacks long enough

[clear heath]

I just use F so much i don't really feel the need to get peril reduction

but i was pretty on the fence with those two options. imo both are about equal

[plucky flax]

Tru valid choice but sometimes I hold onto stacks for more damage zap. Also its good for when I'm using illisi.

[urban echo]

I really need to optimise my build more trying to make a good assail build but can’t get enough big un damage

[plucky flax]

I'm excited for illisi cleave buff.

[clear heath]

same

[urban echo]

I’m glad it’s not infinite dodge anymore will stop bad habits like just spamming dodge

[plucky flax]

But that's my trick

[urban echo]

Damn 😦

[carmine agate]

illisi buffs?

[clear heath]

oh i missed this part

sadge

well 5 is a lot anyways

[urban echo]

Illisi is getting a buff and a nerf

[clear heath]

I can live with 5 dodges

[plucky flax]

Cleave and damage buff but dodge nerf.

[carmine agate]

oh

[urban echo]

Same dodge count as combat knife which is the chosen dodge weapon outside of illisi but more cleave and damage as stated

5 is plenty for getting out of bad situations

[plucky flax]

Lots of weapons have 5 dodges tho

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I just found Surge strong enough on it's own, and you get another 15% damage out of Perfect Timing, vs having to stack up Warp charges... didn't feel worth it.

[plucky flax]

Dunno why they compared it to knife specifically.

[clear heath]

Maybe i'll stop going too crazy with dodging and prevent those situations where i switch to staff with -4 dodges

[urban echo]

I like the smite buff but they gotta do something about brain rupture

[clear heath]

they compared it to knife because we all know knife is the mobility weapon

[urban echo]

Big single target damage just for a veteran to melt it before it pops off

If it made an explosion on kill would be viable

[clear heath]

no one's gonna think it's too bad if they say it's nerfed down to knife mobility

[urban echo]

Ye I wanna run knife but I need my cleave cos single damage I leave to my trauma or void staff

Just no reason to not use illisi besides fun

[plucky flax]

But force sword doesn't have forward move tech.

They scamming us.

[full panther]

I'm curious where you put your extra 4 points

because I'm running a nearly identical tree to that one

[snow coral]

Well I knew the voidstaff wasn't going to stay, hopefully it feels better than it did pre patch

[urban echo]

It won’t be bad

[carmine agate]

its not a huge nerf

[urban echo]

Probably move over to trauma staff though

That’s a secret gem shhh

[viscid matrix]

you high?? its still gonna be the best staff

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Expenditure and the +toughness are somewhat unecessary, bu contribute to just facesmashing into everything.

[orchid nest]

2 to get perfect timing and then I would guess toughness

[olive ember]

You won’t one shot crushers that’s about it

[snow coral]

maybe, but it got a slight nerf and a lot of enemies got toughness buffed

[olive ember]

I don’t think 100 less damage will do too much

[urban echo]

Oh true actually

We need more brain rupture buffs

[viscid matrix]

still gonna 2shot crushers

possibly still 1 shot if it reaches the right breakpoints

[plucky flax]

Trauma already better in a lot of situations than void. In melee modifier for example. The void won't cleave through everything like trauma.

[urban echo]

The smite buffs are nice

[carmine agate]

i wanna rupture multiple necks

[snow coral]

BB did get a slight buff, which is nice, but I think it'll still feel similar to where it is now

[urban echo]

Ye imo trauma is better

[snow coral]

I cannot run trauma, just can't figure it out

[urban echo]

Sure less single target damage but can’t destroy hordes

[full panther]

I did experiment with mettle + perfect timing with surge, but I didn't really love it tbh

[viscid matrix]

look up and drop circles

[full panther]

Perfect Timing being per attack meant it was hard to stack up with just surge staff, way easier with dueling swords

[plucky flax]

Oh coming back to this. If you press f with 6 attacks your creeping flame come back faster. More fire spam.

[carmine agate]

my best trauma staff has 71% charge rate

[urban echo]

My best one is 75

[viscid matrix]

Nexus and Flurry make it really good, and if you tap quell between each secondary, you will stay high peril but never go boom

[urban echo]

Just bad perks

[shadow wigeon]

Damage wise it's more than warp charges for me, because it's up all the time. The movement speed bonus is my preference because im just sprinting everywhere.

[full panther]

yeah the mettle MS was very nice, though it does fall off quickly

it's great to just instantly get 3 stacks basically every time you click, lol

[viscid matrix]

😦 no mention at all about DD

[spice veldt]

they're nonbelievers

they will never know about mauler one-shots with duelling swords

[olive ember]

Amazing

[urban echo]

I just hope psyker doesn’t fall behind as worse vet-zealot

[analog agate]

Just met my first xbox psyker in auric. And. He. Was. Ass

[full panther]

I do find that between quietude and soulstealer, the toughness from mettle wasn't really doing anything

[urban echo]

Most people go balls to the wall not realising they should stick to their team and play cover even with stuff like assail

[olive ember]

I never stick with team

Teammates are for noobs

I simply run it down until the game ends

[urban echo]

Average zealot player

[carmine agate]

Whats the dump stat for surge staff?

[shadow wigeon]

You give up a lot to go from 4 to 6 stacks though, and with curios at 22s cooldown, 2 more stacks is 3 seconds faster? It's not nothing but I found I was already refreshing it so fast anyway.

[spice veldt]

what is cover when the shield ult and soulstealer exists 😔

[clear heath]

sorry soulstealer nerfed

dead class

[olive ember]

Quell speed imo

[spice veldt]

tru

[carmine agate]

Ok

[olive ember]

You want to be on high peril anyways for warp nexus

[carmine agate]

Hmm 4 stacks for more other stuff eh..

[shadow wigeon]

I shouldn't say give up a lot, you give up defence, which helps me sprint, and I rarely found myself getting to 6 stacks anyway. Was venting every 10-15 seconds.

[urban echo]

What’s best for staffs besides warp nexus?

[olive ember]

Uh depends on staff

[urban echo]

Trauma?

[olive ember]

Purge and surge use warp flurry

Trauma used blazing spirit

Voidstrike uses surge

[carmine agate]

Blazing spirit + warp nexus or

Warp flurry + brittle

[olive ember]

Idk if voidstrike will still be nexus surge or if it will swap to flurry transfer peril

[carmine agate]

I use blazing bcos i like things in blue fire

[ornate hamlet]

Is assail still op?

[olive ember]

Probably

[ornate hamlet]

Damn

[olive ember]

Patch ain’t out yet so no clue but

It’s like 100 less damage on lmb 100 more damage on rmb or something like that

Didn’t look too closely tbh

[onyx sentinel]

50 less on lmb

[olive ember]

Ah 50 less damage on lmb and 150 more damage on rmb

Mb

[clear heath]

so it lost like 20% of its damage if you're mashing it

[carmine agate]

Mm rmb spam feels good

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry/Transfer is pretty awesome with Scier's, but so is Surge/Transfer

[frank moat]

Enemy health being increased too iirc so hopefully it won’t shred

But no matter how good it is shitters will still main it and tank games

[urban echo]

The rmb attack feels better imo

[shadow wigeon]

But the damage on Void is so busted right now, it's hard to say

[carmine agate]

Im glad

Makes removing snipers easier

[lyric burrow]

yeah im curious if void will be in line

[normal radish]

Is it better to stack health or toughness on Psyker

[urban echo]

Is smite the way to go after patch?

[urban echo]

Toughness is much easier to rebuild

[mild junco]

Hello siblings.
Does any of you know if "True Aim" does synergize with BB ? Does BB count as weakpoint hits ?
Furthermore, can BB crit ?

[carmine agate]

I like toughness bcos of our amazing toughness procs

[urban echo]

And we don’t have any health procs iirc

[clear heath]

I'm personally running 2 toughness 1 health, with toughness perk on each curio

[mild junco]

Health all the way. You have millions of way to replenish toughness with your talents, but you're a crisp, and can die in a blink

[carmine agate]

Triple toughness

[spice veldt]

a damage nerf to reduce spamminess seems insane

[mild junco]

Three hits in a horde = you're down

[spice veldt]

surely an ammo nerf would be a better way of doing that lamayo

[carmine agate]

Oh well

Let them cook

[clear heath]

I would've preferred that yeah

[urban echo]

Ye maybe like 6-7 at a time

[carmine agate]

I prefered recharge nerf

To be a god. Occasionally

[clear heath]

although i don't dislike the idea of right click being stronger than left click

[onyx sentinel]

I think I’m gaslighting myself - what does brain burst rmb do exactly? Charge without a target?

[mild junco]

"You were spamming them too much, so we decided you'll have to cast them more to achieve the same result. Surely you'll use it less"

[spice veldt]

though I dislike the design of the RMB

[urban echo]

Holding 10 running into a room just killing all the elites is a bit strong so an ammo count nerf seems better

[clear heath]

it's just that assail charges so fast that it's kinda silly how often you get to use it

[carmine agate]

Yep

[spice veldt]

ammo economy is too good for this world

[carmine agate]

So u can burst fast once u get sight of the dog/burster etc

[shadow wigeon]

It does count as headshots for gaingin True Aim stacks, it does not count as ranged for True Aim (it does not use it)

[full panther]

you can precharge it, basically

[spice veldt]

also just the inherent design of spamming it is just so shit

[shadow wigeon]

Actually....weirdly BB gives you 2 stacks of True Aim... hmmmmmmmm

[mild junco]

So... It does kinda suck ? Except for Voidstrike I'd say ?

[clear heath]

i would like to be a slower charge
so it'd be like a tool you magdump into a dangerous pack of gunners or something every once in a while

[urban echo]

True but at the same time above tier 4 or above it’s better to go something more helpful or actually use your brain

[carmine agate]

I want brain burst to make nearby mobs stagger

[olive ember]

It’s supposed to be psykers anti armor option

[normal radish]

I've had two health curios and all of my curios have +5% health, but for no reason in particular it's at 248 instead of 250 and it bothers me endlessly

[spice veldt]

nerf max ammo and regen altogether

[urban echo]

Assails biggest issue is at lower difficulties really

[olive ember]

So for crushers n shit if you are running something like purge staff

[spice veldt]

it's also at higher difficulties lol

[shadow wigeon]

True Aim? It is primarily for Void, Guns

[clear heath]

assail is pretty spammy in auric damnation

[spice veldt]

and the inherent design of assail being spammable is just not fun

[shadow wigeon]

I just boycott all the assail games

[spice veldt]

balance-wise, it's not ok, and design-wise it's not ok either

[frank moat]

I like True Aim for revolver since 5 weakspot hits is basically guaranteed after Deimos’ing a couple goons

[clear heath]

the only time i've seen it not spammy is on auric maelstrom with the extra scabs modifier

[urban echo]

Not really try the same thing in tier 5 or even auric trust me your gonna get your face rocked by a tanky boi

[mild junco]

Seriously, whenever I see an assail psyker, I just go into spectator mode

Like, what's the point trying to kill shit

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's a good one - guaranteed crit each time you pull out your revolver..... interesting

[mild junco]

Psyker'll do it faster and for free

[spice veldt]

assail bad

[clear heath]

I'm pertty sure every regular in this chat has done plenty auric damnation with assail and concluded it's busted

[urban echo]

Oh dear god I have been oh so wrong

[spice veldt]

do people not realize that assail can crit/weakspot and has gr8 synergy with the rest of your tree, and it also benefits from your blessings

[shadow wigeon]

No, its ultra strong at max difficulty

[urban echo]

As shown by the video guess I’ve just been with shit psykers

[mild junco]

Anyway, thank you for answering ! I hope Assail will be tuned accordingly in the next patch, and if not, in the next after this one

[urban echo]

Most randos running assail can barely kill a mutie

[spice veldt]

like, even as a quickswap weapon where you pull it out occasionally, it is a very good weapon

[pale pilot]

so what blessings should i be on the look out for in staves?

[carmine agate]

And theres alot of self exploding ones