psyker-class

[small whale]

7.5 per warp kill is still plenty

[cold oasis]

I mean, honestly, i thought they were gonna buff Talent “Perilous Combustion”, not nerf it

[ebon jolt]

Someone posted on the forums that the damage modifiers to Brain Rupture are based on the base BB damage. Because BR gives damage and not base damage. So any modifier you have gives less damage than you would initially think. Not sure if this is a bug or intended.

[frail geyser]

If the psyker kills what im trying to kill before I do i just get irrationality upset

[still hearth]

What insane reasoning did you have to get there?

[frail geyser]

No i wont play the difficulties with more stuff to kill

[small whale]

Yeah I didn't think it was OP before and never ran it, apparently it was

[near wyvern]

You still have the peril to deal with. Just remove the 97 safe cast limit and you gotta build around peril reduction if you wanna chain multiple back to back

[gilded viper]

Also why the hell did they nerf the elite/specialist damage aura?

[copper oar]

LFG damnation / auric

I can bring a kick ass psyker and bad jokes 😎

whoops wrong chat 😬

[still hearth]

This one is really weird ngl

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-kick-no-stay-down-there-nope-gif-17913274

[cold oasis]

It's utter trash that doesn't even kill trash? I mean, i ran it for memes

[small whale]

maybe they want it in line with vet's aura

[still hearth]

Are you high?

[small whale]

3% damage 😹

[still hearth]

8 stacks

For 2 kills

Kills all chaff

And many elites

[summer prairie]

probably because they changed it to actually be both elite and special damage and yeah it was way better than the vet aura if it was 10% to both

[still hearth]

Damn you gotta get TWO kills??

It stacks up to 31 as well

So it can do insane boss damage in the right situations

Like 6 stacks still kills

Every single chaff mob

[small whale]

5% damage on only elites/specials compared to 5% crits is like such a huge difference

[boreal dawn]

Question does the penance maelous maelstrom work on the upgraded version of bb or no

[cold oasis]

Sorry, let me just kill 2 elites and not deal any damage to anything around it

You're right

[near wyvern]

Only if it affects break points

[summer prairie]

3 stacks is still decent when combined with some other source

[lethal lagoon]

"Increased bonuses from Talent “Empowered Psionics” - +125% Damage,
50% faster spread between enemies" Get your PCs ready lmao, horde clear about to set some PCs on fire.

[valid imp]

F in Chat for UNLIMITED POWER Smite

[near wyvern]

The 3 stacks are probs gonna be fine. The 4 stacks resulted in some serious nuke town moments on auric.

[still hearth]

I mean ok

[boreal dawn]

The actually fixed some bugs where smite was doing so many effects

[fringe garden]

I'm sure glad smite never causes me lag

[small whale]

My friend is gonna cry its all she uses

[hearty sedge]

Force swords no longer have infinite Dodge.

[still hearth]

I guess you just always have the biggest AoE

[fringe garden]

It's my favorite thing

[tight birch]

[still hearth]

[near wyvern]

Given also how easy the talent is to access

[gilded viper]

I already run a purge build with smite, not sure how i’d fit empowered in there since warp charges are better

[dim parrot]

snoop doggie dog

[lethal lagoon]

I don't know if the effect they were talking about is the problem

[summer prairie]

does venting shriek/creeping flames go through all walls

[olive ember]

I'll have you know I run purge staff BB

smh

[small whale]

it did prepatch probably the same now

[fresh reef]

Up to 30m, yes

[orchid nest]

I can't wait to try deimos

[near wyvern]

Yes but it still has troubles with fences and verticality

And edges

[small whale]

did they change deimos

[fringe garden]

The snobbery around not using strong weapons in this game is one of my favorite aspects of it.

[olive ember]

anyways

[valid imp]

Hey if i use Assail i run a revolver thank you very much

[olive ember]

time to get on darktide and try to put together pygex build

[orchid nest]

yeah dmg buffed a lot. on all the force swords

[near wyvern]

No infinite dodges anymore tho... Mutant one shot will be piss easy to get tho

[small whale]

seesh okok

They did buff most enemies hp accross the board though

[orchid nest]

yeah I think the dodge change to 5 is still pretty good though. I'm definitely alright with that

[near wyvern]

Not yet but damage buff next patch in return of 5 dodged (down from infinite)

[small whale]

I never abused inf dodges anyways

[gilded viper]

Man force sword and dueling sword buff, wild

[near wyvern]

Might slap back on that deflector if I can get mutant one shots without unstable power

[summer prairie]

inf dodges mostly mattered when spamming dodge slides rather than dodges

[orchid nest]

but yeah mutant 1 shot is gonna be very easy

[near wyvern]

Never danced around a Daemonhost?

[cold oasis]

Biggest aoe? Fuck me, the aoe of the dot is 5m

[frank moat]

Goodbye bulletproof crab walk

Was probably for the best though

[tight birch]

I never aggro Daemonhosts

[small whale]

Nah just died

[near wyvern]

I do that never too but I am often the second target

[gilded viper]

So is like prescience and seer’s the only aura’s worth it now?

[molten schooner]

Thunder Hammer and sneak skill from zealot never aggro DH either

they just one shot the fucker

[near wyvern]

RIP

[still hearth]

And only Purgatus has more AoE than 5m with full damage

[small whale]

If you run warp charge keystone you dont even need the cd reduction for ult

[potent echo]

FS inifnite dodge removed

[idle bay]

Main take from patch notes:

1. They did not said the phrase "next week"
2. Crafting is not touched

[gilded viper]

Well yes, but the aura is teamwide, and I fail to see the benefit of 5% damage only on elites/specials, like wtf are those breakpoints?

[near wyvern]

We cannot know because so many changes happening to damage and enemy HP values. If kinetic presence is just enough to get some break points then it's not useless.

[cold oasis]

Yeah, with the exception that shit dies when you shoot at it with anything else at the same time. Because stuff isn't packed togheter in a 5m range. Either it's a small ass pack where everything is togherer and then you melt them all anyway, or they are so spread out the dot doesn't catch anything

[whole oxide]

it's like you've never played melee-only-auric-maelstrom

[near wyvern]

Buff stacking is a thing

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1z6Kxl3ViTsWYR/d1337JrRH8SK?invite=cr-MSxqVDIsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

Ignore me being terrible at aiming

[full panther]

They're going to be in a weird spot with crafting, because PC players who have stuck through all the updates have tens of thousands of crafting mats, but xbox players and people who dropped the game when they realized it was basically just early-access have very little

[gilded viper]

I suppose, perhaps I’m just overly confused by the nerf.

[full panther]

Kind of reminds me of Destiny 2 honestly, trying to balance legendary shards costs around new and existing players ultimately got too complicated and they scrapped it entirely

[cold oasis]

Damn you're right, it's great when you run Gun Psyker with a terrible weapon and need any way to boost the damage up, my bad ❤️

[still hearth]

Terrible weapon

Ok

Nice meme

Good day sir

[gilded viper]

I can tell you for a fact, I never have enough plasteel, ever.

[near wyvern]

It's not directly a nerf if they add special damage in there, more of a change, cause at the moment the +10% special is a lie.

[frail geyser]

They just need to make crafting zero-loss

2 much shit in the game

[proven stirrup]

That's a good way to invalidate your game play loop

[frail geyser]

They have the best gameplay in horde games

[whole oxide]

nobody wants a gameplay loop

[frail geyser]

They dont need to artificially inflate kt

[harsh urchin]

they do though

[whole oxide]

select mission - > play mission is the only gameplay loop i want

[proven stirrup]

And? They want you to earn your busted gear, you can't just print your bis item the moment you get a base and be done

[harsh urchin]

cuz vermintide got boring precisely because there's no progression loop

[orchid nest]

do people like picking up the mats? I would much rather missions just gave you a fixed amount and searching was purely for the ammo/grenades/packs

[frail geyser]

They should have faith in their incredible gameplay and let us experiment to our hearts content with the vast array of options on offer

[proven stirrup]

You'll fuckin' stop, and you don't think so, you're lying to yourself and everyone here

[harsh urchin]

you play the new weapons whenever they drop for like

5 games

and then you stop

[frail geyser]

I played 3k hours of vt2

[harsh urchin]

because it takes like

10 seconds

to put swift slaying on it

[frail geyser]

Long after best in slotting everything

[proven stirrup]

Well you're one person

not enough to keep this game chugging along

[whole oxide]

if you're bored of the game, chasing crafting isn't gonna make you suddenly want to play it

[frail geyser]

I played darktide at launch even when the game was turbo ass cus i liked the gameplay so much

[carmine agate]

the reverse in fact

[proven stirrup]

You're right. that's why you build that in from the get go

[near wyvern]

It's more like we play the game despite of the crafting because the combat and gameplay is so good

[frail geyser]

^^^^^^

[carmine agate]

lots of people who tried darktide with this new update stopped because crafting sucks

[lethal lagoon]

"Surge Staff
● Added gibbing to Surge Staff kills" Either going to be really cool or hilarious on a surge spam build.

[proven stirrup]

And you'd stop the moment you had nothing left to chase

You will not convince me otherwise. it happens every time shit gets too lax

[whole oxide]

wtf?

[frail geyser]

I still have vt2 friends still just playing vt2 over dt cus they hate the crafting

I chase heretics

To kill them

Not loot

[proven stirrup]

Did I s-s-stutter?

[whole oxide]

i don't have anything to chase

[near wyvern]

No it's server lag

[whole oxide]

i'm still here

therefore, you're wrong

[harsh urchin]

I mean that sucks for them lmao

they're missing out on a really good game because they're stubborn

[proven stirrup]

lel sure

[orchid nest]

imagine with all the surge and smite related cross bugs that they mess up and the empowered damage bonus just sticks to surge the entire time

[harsh urchin]

it's like that 50 year old lady who insists on doing things a certain way

but there's also tons of people who need the meta progression in order for the game to stay fun

[proven stirrup]

At the end of the day, this handful of gonks in this server is not the whole of player base they have to design for.

[lethal lagoon]

They never actually addressed the smite/surge bug in the patch I believe. So certainly possible.

[near wyvern]

When people enjoy different things than you:

[harsh urchin]

very few people can play a game for 3k hours on the gameplay alone

[proven stirrup]

So gripe all you want about not being able to cheat engine your items together, it's not happening

[orchid nest]

yeah lol. just a funny thought because surge staff gibbing in my mind is even more merging of the 2 things

[frail geyser]

Mobas, counter strike, ssbm, etc etc

[harsh urchin]

mobas are like

the exact opposite

[whole oxide]

this is such a dumb take, i don't know why it keeps being repeated. disliking the current system is not the same as wanting everything given instantly for free

[harsh urchin]

because mobas have balance updates every 2 weeks

[whole oxide]

you can make engaging progression that isn't just RNG upon RNG

[harsh urchin]

CS and smash are PvP, which offers an entirely different experience than a PvE game

[brave fiber]

A middle ground is possible and is optimal idk why everyone thinks it’s one or the other

[frail geyser]

And make it not punishing and disrepectful of player time invested

[harsh urchin]

a better example would be l4d2

which has an amazing gameplay, and very little meta progression

and while it remains popular, it does lose many players who want more than "just the gameplay"

the thing is that why not have both

you can have both and attract both types of players

it's just silly to not expand your audience

[carmine agate]

but its fatshark

[harsh urchin]

just a bad business decision

[carmine agate]

[harsh urchin]

Okay, explain to me why darktide is disrespectful of your time.

Happy to hear this argument

[glad jasper]

damn voidstrike staff getting nerfed

[harsh urchin]

Is any game that requires you to grind to progress disrespectful to your time?

[glad jasper]

i expected assail nerfs but nothing yet

[gilded viper]

Good, voidstrike stans are annoying

[brave fiber]

It got small nerfs

[glad jasper]

but i like voidstrike

its so good

[lethal lagoon]

I'm a little shocked they didn't implement assail base damage based on your char lvl

[glad jasper]

oh? like?

[lethal lagoon]

So many new players have already quit from assail psykers probably

[brave fiber]

50 less dmg on the spam iirc

[whole oxide]

it's barely being touched, it'll still be strongest by quite a lot

[proven stirrup]

Did you miss it?

[harsh urchin]

assail is potentially gutted lol. it lost 20% damage which potentially drops it from a 1-shot to 2-shot on some enemies, and 2-shot to 3-shot on other enemies.

[gilded viper]

Left spam nerf, sniper shot buffed

[glad jasper]

dang

[harsh urchin]

which is pretty massive

[glad jasper]

that's half damage

[hardy citrus]

"gutted"

[lethal lagoon]

And there are so many low lvl and fresh 30s in auric maelstrom trying to avoid psykers instakilling everything.

[brave fiber]

Well prenerf it was 250 now it’s 200

[orchid nest]

even though smites damage is low I think the new empowered smite could actually be decent horde clear. I'd have to test it but it should make it do enough to kill horde things at a reasonable rate and will spread even faster. no infinite but if you have the horde clear charge proc it should re-proc the charge you used. still terrible damage to anything besides chaff though of course

[glad jasper]

yea this is gone assail

goodbye assail

[whole oxide]

no, it's 20% less

[harsh urchin]

to be fair, if it was oneshotting enemies and now it takes 2 shots; that's a pretty big nerf

[plucky flax]

RIP crab walking meme you will be missed

[primal radish]

They're taking away infinite dodges KILL MEEE

[harsh urchin]

not sure yet though

need testing

[brave fiber]

It’s still gonna be great, just not AS op

[gilded viper]

I’m not gonna complain over nerfing brainless things

[fringe garden]

Oh no, your allies might be able to hit some horde, too. That's just the worst

[glad jasper]

hmmmm

[whole oxide]

it seems like the wrong change to assail, everyone was pretty much agreed that its the recharge that's busted

[harsh urchin]

not sure i agree with you

[lethal lagoon]

And they incrase the crossover with BB rather than decreased lmao 🤦‍♂️

[carmine agate]

'we wish they would spam less assail'... makes u spam more

[proven stirrup]

It's almost as if we're not the devs

Imagine that

[brave fiber]

Big agree, better nerf would be reduce total charges to like 6-8, and increase cooldown by a few seconds

[harsh urchin]

the recharge is busted, but reducing the recharge potentially impacts of the fun of the skill

[gilded viper]

I think it was the fact assail murdered everything

[harsh urchin]

because you get to spam it less

[lethal lagoon]

The devs wern't able to beat t5 in internal testing, so settle down.

[harsh urchin]

fatshark wants to keep the ability spammable

but make it less effective

[orchid nest]

they didn't address EP assail piercing more targets either. but then again there is the patch notes and then there is all the other shit we have to find out for ourselves

[harsh urchin]

which makes sense

in terms of fun

[whole oxide]

spamming it less was explicitly stated as their goal in the notes

[harsh urchin]

no

spamming LMB less

and spamming RMB more

was their goal

reread it

[brave fiber]

Assail shouldn’t have more use time than a person’s primary weapon

[proven stirrup]

The devs don't have time to spend sweating profusely at their own game, but go off

[whole oxide]

yes, and spamming LMB won't change

[carmine agate]

in fact

[lethal lagoon]

So you agree they have blindspots and lack knowledge in certain areas? What was your point?

[whole oxide]

it'll be just as spammable as before

[carmine agate]

people will spam more

[harsh urchin]

yes but it'll do way less damage

[near wyvern]

Yup. I used to be a god walking amongst mere mortals in the middle of the horde. Now I actually need to start paying attention to my positioning. Understandable but sad.

[proven stirrup]

Nice presumption. I never disagreed with that concept.

[harsh urchin]

which is their goal

they want to keep it spammable

but make it less effective

rather than keep it the same effective, but make it less spammable

[proven stirrup]

The problem is you thinking they're misfired when you don't know the reasons behind the changes they did make. You're not as good at game design as you might like to think

[slow raven]

yikes defending this crafting system

[whole oxide]

their goal is to reduce LMB spammyness, reducing damage but keeping how often you can fire it, doesn't change how spammy it is

thats doing the opposite of their goal, now you gotta spam it more

[harsh urchin]

ya i generally try to put myself in the devs shoes to see where they're coming with the update

rather than less my own personal biases shine through

I personally would've reduced the charges

[dim parrot]

have my siblings come down now?

[harsh urchin]

but i think they want to keep the spamminess, and let people use it as a primary

[carmine agate]

never

[harsh urchin]

but that's exactly what i'm saying

[orchid nest]

at least the force sword push is so good that we will be fine after adjustment. just didn't even need to do it that much because of how incredible the infinite dodges were

[proven stirrup]

Where does it say they're trying to reduce the spamminess again? Did I miss that?

[whole oxide]

but that's exactly why everyone is complaining about it

[harsh urchin]

they WANT you to use it as a primary, they WANT it to be spammable

they're just nerfing the effectiveness of that

[potent echo]

duelling swords buffed again holy shit

but deimos also buffed

nice

[carmine agate]

when an ogryn friend told me the reason why other classes dont have proper complete guides is because most of the time they are arguing, they are not wrong

[proven stirrup]

Yeah no where does it say they're trying to dial back the spam itself.

[bleak tulip]

yeah buffing FS fills me with joy

[strong gulch]

I do and if I cast at 50% peril, I can BB the rager with that 5% ranged damage node.

Also apparently that node also is needed for me to one shot BB a dreg gunner. 😩

I wasn't super careful with my build. I slapped it together while tired. So there's pobably boosts that I don't have.

[proven stirrup]

And they're very open about these sorts of things with the dev notes

[harsh urchin]

no, people are just complaining cuz it's overtuned

[vast hare]

[lethal lagoon]

It's a left for dead copy that heavily relies on warhammer copyright. They aren't some sort of geniuses. And neither do we have to be to see major problems.

[whole oxide]

Blitz - Assail
● Shifting power, to reduce spammyness of primary attack but increase the usability of
the secondary aimed attack:

[potent echo]

they need the change the damage profile of deimos special on H2 to do more damage

[bleak tulip]

mfer can't read

[harsh urchin]

read that bro

motherfucker copied over something

and doesnt read it himself

[carmine agate]

i cant believe duelling sword got buffed..

[proven stirrup]

Oh I stand corrected

[vast hare]

and the combat knife

[potent echo]

like ironhelm and evisecrator special buff

those gonna be fun

[naive imp]

3 asspsykers and a melee vet to hold the front line

[whole oxide]

arguing that reducing the damage while leaving the charge/ammo untouched is achieving "reducing spammyness" is, just, I don't begin to understand what's going on in your head

[bleak tulip]

I likes asspsykers more

[near wyvern]

Why? That would be a pain to access

[proven stirrup]

Iunno man, let them cook

You all do not always know better

[digital narwhal]

So

[molten schooner]

I understand the argument and I think they missworded it. By reducing damage they may have wanted the constant spam to be less effective and therefore less useful to be done

[digital narwhal]

when are they gonna make Surge work properly for Trauma and Surge secondary fire?

[royal falcon]

I mean

Psykers are still gonna do it

[molten schooner]

No point in throwing assail around if you're getting fucked by dudes that aren't getting killed

lol

[still hearth]

The Surge staff doesn't even roll Surge blessing

[digital narwhal]

Oh ye-

Man I'm tired

[still hearth]

[gleaming sparrow]

● Special Action Base Damage (0%, 80% Damage Stat):

○ 8, 11.2 to 25, 65.

what do they mean by this? a 0% damage stat weapon now has 25 damage up from 8?

[bleak tulip]

they're gonna remove it before that tbh

[naive imp]

assail changes are meaningless for horde clear. it'll still happen.

the right click makes it better at what it's currently weak at. lol

[digital narwhal]

I gotta sleep, man

lmao

[still hearth]

Yes.

[orchid nest]

I can only get so erect thinking about surge working on traumas secondary

[bleak tulip]

surge is just kinda busted

[near wyvern]

Where is my blazing spirit for surge

[rancid spruce]

Is there any way, in the Psyckanium, to face a demonhost ?
Using ofc the creature spawner mod, but since i'm the only player in the psyckanium, ofc the mf leave
By devious means or glitch anything.. is it possible or am I doomed to practice in real match ?

[proven stirrup]

I can't say Assail being great at horde clear was ever really a bad thing

[gleaming sparrow]

ah ty

[near wyvern]

Try true solo mod

[proven stirrup]

The last time this came up, I mentioned the stagger potential of it was the real issue

[west galleon]

quick question: how do you feel about the "new" warp charges? i dont really like that they reset with every F now

[whole oxide]

it'll just mean instead of throwing 2 shards, now you gotta throw 3, and that's not exactly a big opportunity cost

[still hearth]

I like it but I always liked Quicken

Once the bugs are out on the CDR stuff I'll definitely use it a ton more

[west galleon]

fair point

[proven stirrup]

Honestly, I'm convinced people just want it unusable

[potent echo]

cause its more fun to reward better play

[west galleon]

Do people use assail a lot in damnation+?

[still hearth]

Yes

[naive imp]

have you played with 1-3 assail psykers on anything other than damnation?..

it's boring af

[humble star]

Oof they took away my infinite dodge crabwalk

[still hearth]

Assail is silly strong

[buoyant pivot]

I must be doing something wrong... All the force swords just seem worse than a chainsword

[proven stirrup]

I don't really care

[still hearth]

Definitely the best Blitz by far rn

[copper fox]

Disrupt Destiny: In order for it to really compete with warp charges I think they need to raise the chance of enemies being marked.

[whole oxide]

what would've been interesting would be to make it cost 0 peril, and have a much higher ammo-pool, but much slower regen, so you can dump out like 30 shards all at once, but then that's it, you're done for the next 2 minutes

[humble star]

How tf am I to become crab now?

[west galleon]

i keep going back and forth between BB and smite tbh

[still hearth]

It's not a chance.

[lethal lagoon]

My experience is that smite and even BB is more common than assail on aurics.

[still hearth]

The descriptor lies.

[naive imp]

i just played with an assail/surge user. i was assail/voidstaff. we covered everything

[proven stirrup]

Like you guys don't seem to give a shit about anything other than damnation, why should I?

[still hearth]

@copper fox the chance is 100%. The only RNG is who it marks.

It only marks one target though

So you gotta kill it to get more stacks

[naive imp]

how long do you guys think it takes to go 1-30 on 1 class?

[proven stirrup]

Point is, the shit's got a use case and we all have the same access to the same difficulty levels

[naive imp]

10 hours? 15?

[copper fox]

I've been through several Auric Maelstrom missions with near constant enemies and it seems like there are long stretches where I get no enemies marked

[still hearth]

1-30 in Auric if you only win

Is probably like 10 hours?

Depending on the map

[naive imp]

new players can't do auric

[still hearth]

They can

[naive imp]

so like 15 then?

[still hearth]

With friends

Higher level players can start auric with lower level players

[west galleon]

yea assuming no carry doing auric would be just wasting everyone's time

[naive imp]

10-15 hours...of people getting in lobbies with assail psykers.

legit 1 makes it dumb. 2+ is laughable

it's a really bad user experience

[slow raven]

if they have friends to carry through auric they probably dont have to ask here

[lethal lagoon]

Fuck those people btw., unless they are in full premade.

[near wyvern]

Can't do auric unless getting boosted, lvl cap for starting the queue is 30

[lethal lagoon]

They aren't even good enough themselves for auric usually

[naive imp]

would really like to change the name to assfail...

[still hearth]

Yeah we talked about that after.

[naive imp]

thoughts?

[royal falcon]

what is zealot for

[still hearth]

But doing one Auric mission took our friend from level 1 to level 8

[orchid nest]

if you have at least one friend to play with you could just quit and join at the end with the class you want to level. that is what I did for classes I wasn't really excited about leveling. I assume this still works idk though

[still hearth]

You get like at least 2 levels per Auric mission I think

And make sure to run XP curios

[near wyvern]

Melee and mobility, bully monstrosities, nuke monstrosities, and purge corruption.

[acoustic osprey]

I dont see as many assail users as i expected based on comments

[naive imp]

i'm talking about new players

[orchid nest]

oh my bad

[naive imp]

so auric bosoted is 10 hours. i'm gonna say 15-20 for a new player using QM?

[near wyvern]

Also on Damnation

[lethal lagoon]

It's ultimately a pve game for fun, so too boring for psyker mains.

[naive imp]

idk. i have 50 and i have every class at 20+

[near wyvern]

20 is probs quite realistic

[naive imp]

assail makes the game REEEEALLY boring. lol

[acoustic osprey]

So did the lightning

[naive imp]

i think you should have to aim assail. no cap

[still hearth]

I feel like it takes like 30 hours for new players but it's been a long time since I levelled up a new character

[naive imp]

and the right click is the auto tracking or whatever

[near wyvern]

I think they sped up the process a bit

[still hearth]

Makes sense

And Quickplay gives more EXP too

[naive imp]

idk it feels insane that it just aimbots 4-6 heads on empowerment

[still hearth]

Fair enough. I honestly have no good reference for time

[acoustic osprey]

If youre completely new youd prob be slower and looking up stuff askjming questions

[frank moat]

They massively reduced how much XP you require from level 1-20, felt like I levelled up every 1/2 games until I hit 21 and then there’s much more of a curve

[orchid nest]

I think it would be cool if instead of assail having a normal recharge your're just limited to a lower amount of shards that you visually have around your hand and they return to you and you get the charge back when each individual shard returns. but they also pierce on the way back to you

[still hearth]

"If you're compeltely new you'd probably assume things and come into Psyker chat and talk like you know everything"* FIFY

[acoustic osprey]

Youd be faster now cause you already know what to do and complete missions faster

[fleet verge]

Leveling is really fast. I just started a few days ago and my psyker is 30

[naive imp]

how many hours?

[near wyvern]

In 48 hours thats long

[still hearth]

Though we have gotten way less people assuming they know everything so

[naive imp]

1st character?

[acoustic osprey]

You lost me

Sorry

[still hearth]

It's a joke about people coming into these chats and acting like they know everything. Don't worry about it.

When they're blatantly wrong

[acoustic osprey]

Ahh okay

[plucky flax]

It's tru they act like they are top 1% but they are not.

[fleet verge]

Yeah first character. Got a few levels at a time doing threes in quick match

[plucky flax]

(I am)

[near wyvern]

Yes and Emperor is my uncle

[mellow gorge]

Jokes on you I know everything I know is wrong

[still hearth]

Stop lying you're only top 1.9%

[plucky flax]

[near wyvern]

The only thing I know is fatshark do not know how to write descriptions

[plucky flax]

Or when people who only use 1 weapon/class give advices for other weapons/classes.

[fleet verge]

I also don't understand the complaint of assail. I don't like it so I don't use it but it seems the norm to vehemently hate it for no reason

[plucky flax]

[acoustic osprey]

Actually I thought this was gen chat. I dont know why the app put me here by default

[orchid nest]

damn I got so excited for darktide patch notes that I forgot about the warframe update

[lethal lagoon]

That explains some weird comments this place get's sometimes.

[near wyvern]

It's too rewarding in terms of damage to how brain dead the playstyle is.

[tranquil raft]

Its really good against hordes of poxwalkers i dont get the complaints

[fleet verge]

Yeah and it's really bad against carapace seems balanced to me. Forces you to use different weapons on different enemies

Just based on testing damage in the meat grinder

[naive imp]

you should check out zealot chat...

that is gen chat. ha

[tranquil raft]

Yeah it’s perfectly balanced only thing that seems sorta absurd is the fact i can kill mutants with two shards

[near wyvern]

Think again https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[royal falcon]

Most of the complaints I’ve seen is how it seems to take away from the effectiveness of your fellow teammates

I think it’s that it slaughters everything that isn’t carapace and maybe flak with comparatively little effort on your part, usually beating your teammates to the punch

[harsh urchin]

The main complaint is that the damage is tuned for damnation difficulty, but the enemies in lower difficulties have much less hp and you hit breakpoints with it that essentially let you murder everything.

[fleet verge]

Well lucky for you they buffed the shit out of the aim assail in the new patch so its going to cover it's weaknesses

[primal radish]

There's literally 1 and a half enemies that have carapace lol

[potent echo]

aim assail is kinda cool im glad it got buffed

[lethal lagoon]

Say that to the 10 Ogryn horde

[harsh urchin]

Most of the people who are complaining that they can't do anything is because they're in malice and the assail psyker is one-shotting everything

[carmine agate]

the 10 ogryn horde is very very perfectly arranged for voidstrike

[potent echo]

10 ogryn horde with massive HP buffs

[tranquil raft]

Assail is glitchy sometimes like youll throw a shard directly at a enemy and and itll go the opposite direction

[fleet verge]

Well is the complaint is it's overturned for lower difficulties play on higher difficulties?

[harsh urchin]

i mean

[potent echo]

good luck if your team has no carapace damage

[harsh urchin]

try telling that

to one of the people who are posting complaints

[frank moat]

I dunno about you, but if loc_talent_ability_description: context.skill undefined then I don’t know what is

[harsh urchin]

on reddit

[spice veldt]

amerrriicaaaa https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

[vocal sundial]

what are the settings that turn your darktide into battlebit

[harsh urchin]

about a video game

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, that's also a problem, because you have players who can barely blow their own noses spamming into Aurics and Auric Maelstroms.

[harsh urchin]

people who post complaints on reddit about video games generally don't take that kind of feedback too well 😛

[lethal lagoon]

The pub experience is wild atm for maelstroms

Fun, but not fun at the same time

[tranquil raft]

They cant take criticism

[potent echo]

this probably not really getting changed

[fleet verge]

I get that. I'm by no means good and I have seen some people who have no business being at the difficulty they are trying

[steel flame]

People get a weapon buff and suddenly think that it lets them do maelstrom like this is destiny or something. ..and then they get dumpstered

Sounds about right

[fleet verge]

I was hoping this chat would be more about theory crafting and the meaning of stats that aren't well described. Can someone point me to a good resource

[frank moat]

But my penance level is 1581

[waxen igloo]

hand-cannon still working with assail

?

[thin finch]

speacking or carapace flak and maniac, what's the best +25% to take on a surge staff ?

[royal falcon]

I mean ey you learn by doing

[harsh urchin]

sadly, because this is a public discord, a lot of this chat is whining just like reddit :P; but you can find good information by initiating the discussion or by using search bar at the top right

[near wyvern]

The problem is wants to make Assail spammable and that will never be possible.

You have an attack with aim bot, either it will be too weak to be used or it will be too strong and result in this what we have now.

Make it non-spammable and you have an occasional power moment that you can access every now and then but not all the time. I dunno about you but to me that sounds exactly like a blitz skill.

[frank moat]

Yes, and not mentioned in patch notes

[potent echo]

probably

[whole oxide]

see pins

[fleet verge]

Thanks I'll try that

[steel flame]

This is true, but then they complain

[gleaming sparrow]

bro those graphics 🤢

[harsh urchin]

but if you do have questions, you can generally just ask and people are pretty nice about it

[potent echo]

that might change because ragers getting a 50% hp buff like why

[thin finch]

Distrup destiny is good eh

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum in pinned messages here.

[steel flame]

It's kinda gone out of control since the update

[summer prairie]

scab ragers are flak though

[potent echo]

true unless they have so much HP now you dont bother surging them

[lethal lagoon]

Chat's usually nice and on that subject, but patch notes just dropped, so pretty off topic atm. You can always just ask any question.

[tranquil raft]

Well making it a one time thing will piss people off a lot maybe just make the recharge longer to make you choose when you use it

[low yoke]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170***

[near wyvern]

Wasn't talking about a one time thing I said every now and then

[steel flame]

I love using assail but hate having to hear about it cause everyone WONT SHUT UP ABOUT IT

ÀAaaaaaaaaaaaa

[tranquil raft]

My bad your message didnt really specify so I assumed

[royal falcon]

it is what it is

[harsh urchin]

ya i'm gonna keep abusing it until the handcannon bug gets fixed

it's gonna be good no matter how nerfed it gets while the bug remains

[grand raven]

handcannon bug?

[frank moat]

Hand-Cannon blessing on the Stub Revolver applies crit rending to your melee weapon and Assail at all times

[grand raven]

oh damn TIL ty

[tribal radish]

But is it worth giving up the palpatine experience

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-starwars-star-wars-emperor-gif-7513769

[harsh urchin]

once they nerf all of psykers overtuned shit

i'll probably go back to ogryn

i've found 2 pretty disgustingly overpowered builds

that likely won't get nerfed

[steel flame]

This is not an "is what it is moment"....this a "sorry zazy we will stop talking about it so you can lose your sanity over something else" moment

[rocky osprey]

What's your guy's opinion on this passive? Esp. if you're picking Soul Stealer/Warp Expenditure? Think it's overkill?

[royal falcon]

nah

[steel flame]

For a crit build it is amazing. The movement speed cannot be understated

The Regen is just ok but the movement speed is amazing

[ebon jolt]

Depends on what weapon you're using. For automatic weapons the toughness replenishment is bonkers.

[rocky osprey]

staves primarily tho most of them I've built for crit

[royal falcon]

run that shit with an autopistol or a purgatus you’ll love it

[frank moat]

Part of the reason crit build Assail is so insane, each crit shard will hit three times and give three stacks

[potent echo]

is great for purgatus, and assail spam, not too sure about other stuff

[slow raven]

best passive in the game if your build uses any crit at all

movespeed > all

[summer prairie]

it's decent but more importantly it's better than the alternative paths to that side

[potent echo]

purgatus only gets delayed soul stealer regen so some intermediate mettle regen is good for it

[summer prairie]

and perfect timing is free +15% dmg

[potent echo]

yea perfect timing is great too

[rocky osprey]

perf that's exactly the info I need, ty siblings

[ripe yacht]

Is it worth picking up crit for a purgatus build?

[rocky osprey]

I'll probs opt out of it for my surge CC build. usually anchoring in spots so it's not as important for that one lol

[stuck bridge]

doesnt doesnt look like it was memed too bad but still

[rocky osprey]

but purg and voidstrike/assail build I'll keep it

[steel flame]

Try laspistol crit build with that, scrier, and destiny and go zooming with +60% movement speed and a 45-65% crit chance

[lethal lagoon]

crit makes purge apply two stacks

[stuck bridge]

enjoyed my 675k damage per run while it lasted

[strong gulch]

Finally tried purg post patch. It felt fine. I forgot how chill it is compared to other staves.

[potent echo]

i have yet to try laspistol on psyker in a real run, perhaps

also they buffed laspistol a little

[steel flame]

+25 damage on the top end

[potent echo]

its something i guess

[still hearth]

They even buffed it for some reason

[potent echo]

purg was buffed?

[steel flame]

They literally just buffed the bonk special. ....

[potent echo]

arent the staff changes in 14 only for the bonk lmao

[still hearth]

Last patch

They trippled its direct damage in Patch 13

Which is actually huge

[strong gulch]

Not the bonk

[potent echo]

wait was it unlisted

[slow raven]

i heard mettle doesnt stack with warp speed (20% movespeed with scrier), in my own testing it seems to be the case

[strong gulch]

whyyyyy

[still hearth]

Last patch had several pages too

[lethal lagoon]

I still think staff bonk is a waste of a special attack slot. Why not magic 😦

[potent echo]

i remember we had this conversation where someone said purg was untouched, and thats because it was always top tier

[still hearth]

Give my firestaff a flame punch

Purgatus was S tier

It still is imo

But Voidstrike and Trauma are super good at what they do and can still clear hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Everything dies super fast except the things purg can't really kill. I don't see as anywhere near top tier.

[still hearth]

But the Purgatus builds are very good.

I mean Voidstrike can't kill 200 poxwalkers in 3s

So

Trauma can but only sometimes

[potent echo]

i still ask those staff users who cant kill 30 maulers quicker

[stuck bridge]

also big smh to all those who who would tell me to play void when i was trying to theorycraft my surge

[brave fiber]

I just like purgatus because flamethrower go whoosh

[small whale]

wat the heck is theory crafting surge

[lone cosmos]

Play what makes you happy, but be mindful of taking it to Auric

[potent echo]

surge you use it and bzzz

[lone cosmos]

People might be salty

[potent echo]

dont really need a build honestly

[slow raven]

voidstrike clear is kind of bad when you have to be out in the open and cant funnel them

[royal falcon]

staff smack should be able to OHKO plague ogryns trust me

[whole oxide]

if anyone's salty seeing a surge-staff in auric, they really should just be ignored

[copper torrent]

Which ones. I'll join you lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Salty about what? The staff is OP and stuns things.

[potent echo]

surge staff is fun and good

the surge staff in 13 anyway

[lone cosmos]

When are people not salty?

[stuck bridge]

they can be salty looking at my topscore on auric maelstorm with my build lol

[potent echo]

before 13 is poopoobad

[lethal lagoon]

On a melee-only maelstrom my surge build did the same damage as the whole team lmao

[potent echo]

im pretty sure that was just a team problem

[summer prairie]

Ok, I figured out what the weird DD marked enemy switching here is about https://streamable.com/m6xrhb

[harsh urchin]

my rumbler spam build and my club lord build are performing pretty well in aurics

[summer prairie]

If the marked target isn't in your vision for 5 seconds, it switches to a new target you can see

[potent echo]

rumbler is S tier though

i mean ogryn is just really strong in general

i dont think it was any bad weapons

[copper torrent]

I'll try spamming rumbler. I didn't really gel with bully club

[harsh urchin]

it does

[potent echo]

probably paul, but just because its untouched in a patch that raised all enemy hp

[harsh urchin]

the kickback is sick af

[potent echo]

kickback buffed finally

[summer prairie]

Like so https://streamable.com/a2roz0

[potent echo]

but also rager hp buffed 50%

[harsh urchin]

the club is pretty demanding in terms of gearing

you need haymaker4/thrust4 and at least 1 perk for it to feel good

[potent echo]

so i doubt we can oneshot ragers now still even with kickback buffs

[harsh urchin]

because baseline club just doesn't do enough damage

[potent echo]

baseline club damage got increased right? but i think mostly the lights

[harsh urchin]

but a properly set up club just one-shots everything

[potent echo]

and not the heavy

[waxen igloo]

What classifies as warp damage?

[near wyvern]

So optimal tactic for DD stacking is to limit your fov?

[potent echo]

any source that generates peril

including any soulblaze

[summer prairie]

Would need to do more testing to see if I can really force it to switch to a specific enemy

[near wyvern]

How did you get it to proc in psych? It procs on creature spawned units?

[summer prairie]

it procs if you disable invisibility for a bit

then you can turn it back on

[near wyvern]

Interesting

[waxen igloo]

Kinetic presence.. if 4 people run this do you get +40% DMG?

[tepid umbra]

On the mk V blaze sword, what are the stats to ignore?

[woven crypt]

Scryer's worth a shit?

[potent echo]

warp resist

[ebon jolt]

A lot of the time when I'm using a gun I would just rather have a dome shield 😦

[potent echo]

its decent.. but doesnt really compare with the other two options

[brave fiber]

I also think quell speed is kinda really Garbo for force swords in general

[potent echo]

yea either really

[still hearth]

That's not bad.

[potent echo]

or both

[ornate hamlet]

Is it just me or are the knives really unfun to play with?

[woven crypt]

I'll run bubble when hell freezes there's two zealots and an ogryn if they need toughness regen something's off

[still hearth]

The bubble isn't for that

It's for maximum comfy

[empty onyx]

So, I had an possibly interesting idea for an assail rework that might set it apart a little more. The exact numbers would obviously need a bit of tweaking, but I think it could work:
Controlling works just as it has before; left click to randomly send them out, right-left-click to target specific enemies.
Instead of 10 shards you get 3-5 and they don't recharge. Instead, when you send them out, they do damage for a bit and then return to you, allowing you to reuse them.
If they strike unarmored or infested enemies they behave like they are now, however, if they strike any other armor type they will lodge themselves in that armor, providing either brittleness or straight up % damage increase to that enemy for each shard lodged into them. However, lodged shards won't return to the Psyker until that enemy is dead.
Opinions?

[brave fiber]

you’re not the only one, try to switch out your builds so none get too stale

[potent echo]

blocks grenades and trapper nets(?)

[frank moat]

Honestly I’d rather warp resist was as low as possible for more value with peril=damage passives

[still hearth]

Yes

And flames

[ornate hamlet]

No not me playing them, playing with someone else

[potent echo]

good stuff

[harsh urchin]

Theyre pretty skill intensive to use, you cant just spam lights. Dont recommend them if you're new

[still hearth]

It also

Blocks everything

INSIDE OF IT

[thin finch]

yes

[still hearth]

IT'S NOT JUST A BARRIER

IT'S A COMPLETE NOPE DOME

[harsh urchin]

You need to hit push attack headshots and use your dodges/spacing well

[potent echo]

does it?

[still hearth]

Yes

Enemies cannot

[thin finch]

I prefere the barriere, I am not fond of the dome

[still hearth]

Shoot inside of it

[ornate hamlet]

I meant when other people use them

[potent echo]

barrier is fun to rescue your friend from mutants bashing

[harsh urchin]

Yeah cuz most people suck

[brave fiber]

Some people have a problem with it, my view is that you can see what others bring into a mission before you start, so whatever someone else uses isn’t your problem

[thin finch]

or outside of it btw, so trap those gunner inside your bubble

[still hearth]

The dome is way superior imo

But

I run shriek most of the time anyway

[potent echo]

no more free dome though

[still hearth]

I hated that tbh

[potent echo]

now you actually gotta wait

lil cheatin witches

and with the smite exploit too

[thin finch]

I would say "yes" but Mutie bonking on my wall is too funny to pass

[brave fiber]

Dome did get buffed tho so we’ll see how that goes

[potent echo]

thank the emperor all that is gone

[still hearth]

Alright it does have a very funny value that's true

[potent echo]

or will be gone*

[ripe yacht]

Just means you actually have to go all in on the left side if you want more dome.

Not a big deal.

[still hearth]

I mean what else would you do

6 stacks was the reason to run warp charges

[orchid nest]

I use dome when I just want to greed a point there. it's more bang for your buck point wise, I usually don't take the toughness regen node

[still hearth]

The dome bug was just a bonus

[frank moat]

Never realised shooters inside got screwed so bad, thought they just couldn’t shoot out

That’s wild

[still hearth]

The big upside is actually the toughness DR

Since it can help people out a lot when the dome dies

And takes like

3s to despawn

[orchid nest]

It's nice for sure. although the minimum time it stays up will be longer now. which is bad for that part

but good in general

[potent echo]

also dome hp is increased from 15 to 20

thanks fatshark

[orchid nest]

it's not a bad option it's just that if you go for walls I feel like you have to be in for both points but with dome taking just the dome point is fine

[unreal sedge]

Blitz - Brain Rupture

● Reduced Peril cost of charging right click from 30% to 20%

● Reduced movement penalties from charging

● Increased power from 850 to 900

● Increased Unyielding armour damage modifier from 1.0 to 1.25

● Increased Maniac armour damage modifier from 1.0 to 1.5

● Increased Carapace armour damage modifier from 0.75 to 1.0
we eating good boyse

[potent echo]

brain poggers

[unreal sedge]

shame for the on warp kill toughness, but it was just 2 op to last

15% on kill = full on any staff use

or 2 assail uses

[spice veldt]

still 7.5% 😎

[unreal sedge]

yep still good

[potent echo]

7.5% still works about the same for purg/void/trauma

except surge now lmao

[spice veldt]

I expected a nerf to 5% so I'm quite happy

[potent echo]

indirect surge nerf

[unreal sedge]

and buffed deimos piercing attacks by a metricfkton

[summer prairie]

the shield hp buff lets it stagger one additional special

[potent echo]

how much hp per special stagger?

[unreal sedge]

finesse buffs mean more headshot dmg too right?

or just crit

[summer prairie]

8

[potent echo]

more headshot/crit damage

[unreal sedge]

my god

[potent echo]

thats nice 3 specials now

[unreal sedge]

that is insane then

[potent echo]

you mean for duelling sword?

somehow they figured it wasnt strong enough

[summer prairie]

the hp mechanic is otherwise pretty meaningless, the minimum duration is probably what keeps it alive in most situations

[spice veldt]

MK2 duelling sword buffs woooo

[unreal sedge]

Light Stab Attack Armor Modifiers:

○ Maniac: 50% to 80%.

○ Infested: 75% to 90%.
too for deimos

[orchid nest]

I think it will be realistic to get more than 3 now too in some situations unless that talent ignores the minimum duration.

[potent echo]

true, mutants get stuck in the wall and eat up all the hp

[spice veldt]

the cleave variant cleaves

[unreal sedge]

wonder how it will look

[potent echo]

deimos heavy stab got a base damage buff thats nice too

[unreal sedge]

that one was already 1hitting all that it needed to

[potent echo]

well they buffing mutant hp

[unreal sedge]

but they buffed mobs so i guess it stays the same

hopefully

ye

[potent echo]

so its to adjust for that probably

[frank moat]

Might be slipping back into my Deflector comfort pick at this rate

[potent echo]

maybe they need to buff special damage though

50% rager hp buff hmmm

[unreal sedge]

Zarona Mk IIa Quickdraw Stub Revolver

● Base Damage (0%, 80% Damage Stat):

○ 250, 450 to 300, 540.

● Finesse Modifier:

○ 100% to 150%.

that is more for vet, but

[potent echo]

scrier revolver

[unreal sedge]

it was already 1 hitting cruscers in the head lol

[spice veldt]

for me

[unreal sedge]

4k headshoot pre-buff

[potent echo]

crusher hp also getting buffed so

[spice veldt]

I wonder if I can two-shot crushers as Psyker now

oh wait

[potent echo]

probably not

lmao

[spice veldt]

damn

[unreal sedge]

not should be 4000x1.2x1.5=7200

insane

[potent echo]

make darktide vermintide2 again

make crusher chaoswarrior

[empty onyx]

To be fair, Crushers did get a HP buff, so.

[potent echo]

revolver finesse bonus means

[unreal sedge]

and was showing "only" 4000 since that is reapers hp

[potent echo]

i no longer need to crit to kill flamers

finally

[orchid nest]

I still would like to see sidearm slot some day here. greatly reduced ammo in it. normal ammo if you equip a pistol in your main slot. they would really need to iron out all these cross blessing bugs first though lol

[unreal sedge]

on boss was 4500? or so without unyelding

[brave fiber]

I’ll be real upset if I can’t matador muties with the mk4 dueling sword after the patch

[potent echo]

you probably can

they just made mutant hp from 3600 back to 3800

i think

[unreal sedge]

join the deimos masterrace

1hit best hit

[potent echo]

mk4 does more damage that deimos tho

in 13

[frank moat]

That’ll be the Tech-Priest blitz don’t worry, a little sidearm on a servo-arm

[gritty ice]

Dev Note: Smite being able to channel without cost when Empowered Psionics was active
was a bug. We do however feel that without it Smite can feel a bit lacklustre in combination
with Empowered Psionics, so we’re further increasing the power of it. We’ll be keeping an
eye on it, and are up for doing something related to cost in the future as long as it’s more
balanced this time around!

○ Increased bonuses from Talent “Empowered Psionics” - +125% Damage,
50% faster spread between enemies

Is this not a pretty massive buff, or won't it be enough to make It a viable option?

[unreal sedge]

deimos does 1hit, can't be more

[potent echo]

deimos needs some help to 1hit

[brave fiber]

Yeah but something about perfectly hitting them in the head with a thrust hits my dopamine HARD

[unreal sedge]

no? wut

[potent echo]

abit of unstable power or slaughterer

[unreal sedge]

nope

[potent echo]

i guess not

[unreal sedge]

this does 1hit and pretty sure overkill so no need for +20%

also bad first target

[brave fiber]

I do still need to get a good roll on a Deimos sword

Would you guys say mk4 or mk5 force sword is better actually?

[orchid nest]

Will have to see but I think this makes it do enough damage to actually be useable as chaff horde clear and you can take the on kill EP node instead of elite node to refresh the charge you used

[potent echo]

what is mkV, illisi?

[unreal sedge]

i want to try illis sword with +100%crit on power attack, and +4 soulblaze on kill

and soulblade spreading talent

[rocky osprey]

Is blast radius super important on the Voidstrike? I'm considering dropping the green I just picked up if it rolls well

[potent echo]

i personally cant stand illisi, but its what alot of people like

[brave fiber]

Yes very

[unreal sedge]

good rolls, bad blessing, swap em out for +rending +crit on aim, and it's really nice

i don't see a use for aoe melee, but i love to use void or assail so that helps with aoe

[brave fiber]

Generally your dump stats on voidstrike are warp res quell speed

[unreal sedge]

both, you can swap 2 thingy

[small whale]

I don't think it's too important

[potent echo]

im trying right now it doesnt 1hit

[unreal sedge]

either 2 perk, 2 blessing or 1 of each

[small whale]

deflector bad bubble good

[unreal sedge]

one hit (not even the trhusting, but base one)

thrust does like 4-500 more

[orchid nest]

I think you guys are maybe talking about 2 diff things, charged attack vs normal stab

[unreal sedge]

ye power attacks

[orchid nest]

post patch it should go back to being easy to 1 shot with the normal uncharged heavy stab

[potent echo]

unless its the special

[unreal sedge]

ye special

[craggy mulch]

What's the dump stat on the deimos? trying to roll a good one

[potent echo]

special changes everything though

you used to be able to stab it 1shot without special

[orchid nest]

well I shouldn't say go back I guess but yeah.. it should be easy

[unreal sedge]

hard to say. all good, even warp resistance

[potent echo]

and duelling4 can 1shot stab it

[unreal sedge]

usually warp res is like, from 20 to 25%

on deimos is from 12 to 25

[craggy mulch]

what does warp res even do

[small whale]

sometimes I put muties to like 1 hp

[craggy mulch]

like cost reduction i assume

[small whale]

It's weird

[unreal sedge]

how much it cost to charge

[potent echo]

you need some uncanny stacks or warp rider or DD or warpsiphon

needs a little help

[orchid nest]

I would still say warp res is the dump stat. especially post patch. mobility is better now that no unlimited dodges. but mobility and warp res are def the lower out of everything else you can be fine with

[steel flame]

That sounds like a stupid interaction especially since I know for a fact it stacks with disrupt destiny and disrupt destiny does stack with scrier

[craggy mulch]

hey dont count me out

its fun to play

[vernal blaze]

do you need to be in melee range for the final burst at the end of chainsword/forcesword charged atks to land or does just the initial hit matter

[frank moat]

I’ll be giving BB a swing once the new patch rolls out, but it’s gonna be weird running my pre-patch 13 build again with Deimos/Purg/BB

[craggy mulch]

though the more i play the more i realize that im still just a headshot highlighter some times

[neon steppe]

Brain burst is essential to my purg build, still getting max disabled and special kills in lobby with it.

[steel flame]

Dump warp resist

[craggy mulch]

do you have a screenshot of the build? im trying to get back into the bb feel and dunno what im doing

[ebon jolt]

I also run BB on my purg build.

[spice veldt]

the mutant could be 10 miles away and you'll deal damage to him

[orchid nest]

low warp resist is even desirable if you like running high peril as using deimos' charged attack is entirely optional. so rolling a good/useable deimos can be pretty easy because even a low rating one could have like 10% warp res but still be a good sword

[ebon jolt]

I'm running it on my surge build but it feels redundant. Think smite would be better for when I run into groups of 10+ crushers.

[potent echo]

i think it used to not work like that? i think it was really early on that mutants can break the chainsword lock if they got too far

[spice veldt]

it was like that very early on, at least

I remember it being talked about humorously

[potent echo]

assail and surge pairs really nicely because assail gives you all the horde clear you needf

[vernal blaze]

is there a way to wiggle your way out of being stuck in the animation then

other than slide dodging right before but that's a given

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/q2fbx8

[potent echo]

not you are just stuck

[harsh urchin]

josho hi

[lunar hollow]

i pulled on the chainsword and the mutie came back

[harsh urchin]

how is your day going

[lunar hollow]

so long as u latch on

u kinda just throw the chainsword at him and he throws it back when he dies

[frank moat]

Fat Shark please let me button mash to chainsaw harder

[lunar hollow]

i cannot stop catching Ws

[harsh urchin]

o ya? tell me

what is a W

[thin finch]

Welp , health and toughness seems to have no impact on shield health 😦

[harsh urchin]

is it a STD

[lunar hollow]

its like this thing

where u build a revolver

and then 2 days later

fatshark buffs revolver

[harsh urchin]

lololol

revolver is disgusting

[lunar hollow]

well actually

i built a revolver and a laspistol

and both got buffed

[harsh urchin]

all my chars except ogy are running it atm

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/zdel7b

revolver is devastatingly stupid

if u can abuse the power of bullet magnetism

[potent echo]

i really felt the lack of this on agrippina shotguns

[harsh urchin]

i'm kinda sad that fatshark removed autoreload from the game

[potent echo]

you actually need to aim the head

[harsh urchin]

that shit was fun

[lunar hollow]

tbf still easy to miss revolver shots

this is just a stupid interaction with elite patrols

where u can dome 3 guys side-by-side because the head hitbox for revolver shots can overlap

[potent echo]

valuetown

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/h95ubk

happened here too

[harsh urchin]

which melee are you enjoying

on vet

[lunar hollow]

this gun is fuckin FUN and the instant special deletion in hordes is huge value for the current gamestate where u get a trapper/flamer thrown into ur horde every 10 seconds

i just run chainsword rn cuz rampage is bugged and gives 50% damage on top of 36% power

and u kinda just spam heavies and everything dies

[harsh urchin]

o lol

[lunar hollow]

psword is getting buffed though, might be one of the meta options

[harsh urchin]

yeah i saw

[lunar hollow]

claw is good, parry can save u from random singular elites assaulting u outta nowhere

[harsh urchin]

they're giving ps6 25% bcr baseline

[lunar hollow]

the bcr is probably the least impactful

[harsh urchin]

not if it's bugged

and applies to sprint/push as well

😛

wouldn't put it past fatshark to fuck that up

[lunar hollow]

the damage buffs in general are gonna do more for it

that and the chainsword cleave nerf will probably let pswords be good again

i may be wrong about the chainsword nerf i have heard weird things

[unreal sedge]

mutants are specials right?

[lunar hollow]

yes

anything that spawns and has a sound cue that isnt a boss

[harsh urchin]

well the chainsword lights are getting nerfed from 4.5 to 1.5

[lunar hollow]

like if they play a voiceline

[harsh urchin]

which means it's still gonna be op, you just cant spam lights

into hordes anymore

[lunar hollow]

i mean if u were spammin lights into hordes

i would just stop using chainsword

with its god awful fuckin moveset

[harsh urchin]

tru lul

[lunar hollow]

that weapon makes me so mad

who designed this

[harsh urchin]

is rampage bugged on all weapons

[lunar hollow]

yes

[harsh urchin]

that's insane lol

[lunar hollow]

it will presumably be fixed soon

[harsh urchin]

btw, keep this secret

but i think shock&awe is gonna be a decent pick for thammer now LOL

[olive ember]

Everyone already knows I thought

[lunar hollow]

if the patch notes are to be believed

[olive ember]

The rampage bug

[lunar hollow]

they nerfed the cleave on strikedown

[harsh urchin]

it's effectively 150% more multiplicative cleave

[lunar hollow]

they buffed the baseline hammer cleave

[harsh urchin]

savage sweep is 200%, but additive

i think SnA + thrust is better clear than slaught + thrust now

[lunar hollow]

slaught lets u hit consistent crusher BPs with crucis

and ultimately ur not really running into issues with hammer cleaving hordes

once u hit critical mass of a shit ton of elites crowded together u always p much use whatever gun u have to dispatch of most of them anyways

[harsh urchin]

yeah but it's hard to keep slaught up while killing crushers

[lunar hollow]

not v hard

SnA on its own just doesnt provide much decent value

i would much rather run the bugged momentum rn

if u want "off meta" stuff

https://streamable.com/eo5jdb

every target hit gives the toughness back with momentum and iirc it has no CD anymore

[harsh urchin]

oh that's hilarious

i dont think it's needed though

ogryn has some insane baseline

[lunar hollow]

not on ogryn yeah

cuz its overtuned as fuck how much DR and regen u get for basically just being an ogryn

[north cradle]

Praise the Man-Emperor, a Brain Burst buff

[lunar hollow]

but on hammer if u really wanted to u could get value out of practically infinite toughness so long as u have any enemies at all near you

[harsh urchin]

I might try building an ironhelm

[lunar hollow]

if i wanted to abuse the game very hard i would run momentum + thrust hammer with martyrdom and stack all the DRs

[harsh urchin]

I think it's better than crucis rn

in current state of the game

cuz it hits all breakpoints easily

[thin finch]

Welp, spamming smite might actually be the way to use it to deal with a pack of elite

[lunar hollow]

crucis is still better at monstrous specials

which is where hammer really shines anyways

for like any other game mode u could realistically say ironhelm is better

however

enemy HP is being buffed; this will likely make the ironhelm miss a lot of the BPs it hit right now

[harsh urchin]

we're gonna have to see

[lunar hollow]

and monstrous specials is having that major bug where a monstrosity could spawn but not be set to weakened

[harsh urchin]

new crusher looks fun as well

[lunar hollow]

so ironhelm can compete better in that game mode

im fucking READY for new crusher

[harsh urchin]

looks like it'll be less reliant on special spam

[lunar hollow]

already bought one from melk

[harsh urchin]

and more of a weapon

that you can like

[lunar hollow]

its basically a combo weapon now

[harsh urchin]

do stuff with

[olive ember]

Wait there’s gameplay footage?

[lunar hollow]

theres some funky shit thats gonna be happening

[harsh urchin]

the sad thing is that the blessings on it

kinda suck

but whatever

[thin finch]

or not

[lunar hollow]

i mean

optimal crusher will probs still be a purple one

[olive ember]

Look you may not like it

[lunar hollow]

but it depends what happens

maybe hammerblow will be meta

[static needle]

Good or bad stats?

[olive ember]

But peak crusher gameplay is gonna revolve around crit bleed

[static needle]

Im lvl 9

[lunar hollow]

its pretty whatever

trauma sucks until u hit 30

[static needle]

how come?

[olive ember]

Stats don’t matter until you are like lvl 30

[lunar hollow]

and can get decent stats

[static needle]

oh

i see

[lunar hollow]

trauma scales SUPER hard

[fresh reef]

lol

[lunar hollow]

i would probs run a different staff tbh

its gonna feel pretty bad

[static needle]

how about surge?

[lunar hollow]

surge is fine

[harsh urchin]

to be fair, skullcrusher only works while the enemy is stunned

[lunar hollow]

its probably a bit undertuned currently but also that stuff isn't a big deal when leveling

[harsh urchin]

so maybe hammerblow will actually be meta

LOL

[gritty tapir]

After the patch which staff would yall say is the best overall for specials / armor?

[harsh urchin]

voidstrike

[gritty tapir]

Even with the upcoming nerfs?

[harsh urchin]

very likely

[small whale]

trauma

trauma best

[olive ember]

Voidstrike or trauma

Surge is a meme

[gritty tapir]

So my current VS staff is still okay. Good to know. only just hit 30 so its all I have atm, haha

[small whale]

surge is ok it deletes specials and elites with precision

[rocky osprey]

nah Surge is still good for CC builds. It's not a monster like the other two but it's serviceable enough

[olive ember]

It’s mediocre at best

[rocky osprey]

also question: what perk would you guys want to swap onto this?

[olive ember]

But yeah serviceable

[fresh reef]

is VS still gonna be considered broken next patch or can I run it without invalidating my team now?

[plucky flax]

Too many shitters in maelstrom memes I'm doing the mass blocking.

[lunar hollow]

aurics are INFESTED with em now

[olive ember]

You gonna be using assail so no you still ruin MY experience

I’ve never played with you before

But

[lunar hollow]

we got some real sedition soldiers

tryna get damnation plasteel

[plucky flax]

I can't finish a hab dreyko maelstroms because I'm literally the only one doing objective at end event.

[olive ember]

Just the thought of playing with an assail user is killing all the enemies in my game

[plucky flax]

Which is impossible solo now cos of the mass specials spawning.

[lunar hollow]

im watching my teammates struggle with singular flamer/sniper combos

while i have to kill everything cuz they sure as fuck won't

[olive ember]

It’s kinda funny watching my friend play darktide