psyker-class

[half turtle]

i'm like 90% sure crit damage blows bc of how the calcs work but it's possible they patched it to not recently

[empty onyx]

Showerthought: What if Assail only pierced through horde enemies, but gets stuck in anything beefier, increasing the damage dealt by other sources to it. Would make it less effective against mixed hordes and also give the assail Psyker a teamplay element where they can target specific enemies for execution with the increased damage (like Cerebral Hemmoraging used to do).

[formal acorn]

becaise i found a really good staff but it has only like 60 critical damage

[half turtle]

hmm i think crit value depends a bit on what the staff is either way

[formal acorn]

surge staff

[spice veldt]

o surge staff

[formal acorn]

is that a good staff to look for? i dont like the fire one

[half turtle]

surge kills 1 or 2 things really fast in my experience

[formal acorn]

ive been using surge or the third one, forgot what its called

surge more tho

[half turtle]

my feeling is that fire is the worst rn, void is the best, trauma is second-best, surge is usable

[maiden sleet]

I kept my beta staff that still has reload

[half turtle]

but i haven't played much with surge post-patch

[formal acorn]

This is what I got. Pretty decent?

Besides critical and warp resistance

[spice veldt]

@acoustic spade here's an example of deadshot being absolutely fucked btw https://streamable.com/7vwyce

[formal acorn]

Does warp resistance make peril grow slower?

[half turtle]

seems ok, you should definitely try it

[magic vessel]

yes, when you use that item

[gusty furnace]

Hmm

[half turtle]

i think so, if you open to inspect (V on pc i think) you can see what each stat controls

by hovering it

[gusty furnace]

do I grab it for warp nexus and flak as the replacements?

🤔

[formal acorn]

@half turtle OHHHHH

Never knew that existed

[gusty furnace]

Yes

You can cast 5 brainbursts with the ability modifier

due to peril resistance

where you normally get 3

[clear heath]

Idk if the low charge rate might be an issue

generally you fully charge surge staff

[spice oar]

Yeah nah bb with gaze does not feel good

[formal acorn]

What is a brain burst

[spice oar]

I wanna make it work tho

[formal acorn]

And how do crits work on staffs?

[half turtle]

your default grenade

[spice veldt]

the non-augmented version of Brain Rupture

[gusty furnace]

Sorta. It generates less peril.

Peril Resistance is the same thing though, you just generate less of it.

[spice veldt]

but we call it Brain Burst because it used to be the only blitz before the skill tree update

[spice oar]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-brain-blood-vessel-pop-death-gif-21746282

[formal acorn]

@spice veldt I don't think I have it speced

[spice veldt]

so when we say brain burst, just assume that we're referring to Brain Rupture

[formal acorn]

I have assail

[gusty furnace]

Considering this is my current surge staff

I'm fine with a wonky dump stat

[spice veldt]

if only it could crit 😔

[molten schooner]

psyker power brothers

[spice veldt]

good luck

[molten schooner]

I can't get hit

[spice oar]

It sort of synergies with the weak spot kill mechanic but it's just too costly

[molten schooner]

And I can't move

[formal acorn]

So does crit not matter on staffs?

[edgy heart]

for smite, whats the difference between left click and right click?

[spice veldt]

left click is currently very peepee poopoo

[half turtle]

anyways i think this is probably fine to use, i think surge has a crit build that works but it's not a huge deal to have low crit damage (most of the time if you actually look at the stat it's like "90% - 110% damage" across the range or something dumb like that)

[spice oar]

Left click is ass don't use it

[half turtle]

surge has a stupid crit bp on crushers but like

it's really obnoxious to hit regardless

[spice veldt]

RMB is significantly better and hits much more targets

[edgy heart]

ok but whats the difference

[orchid shadow]

Jeebuz, I come back after a two month vacation and I feel completely lost after all the changes.

[formal acorn]

thank you

[clear heath]

yeah surge staff needs to crit to kill crushers in 3

pain

[spice veldt]

have fun learning all of the new names

[half turtle]

brain rupture

[clear heath]

luckily it crits pretty often and you only need one of them to crit

[spice veldt]

i really like my Psychic Vampire (Psychic Communion) and my Soulstealer (Warp Absorption) and my...

[spice oar]

Wish smite left click did something, maybe a quick bolt of low-mid dmg lightning with high impact to quickly stagger something, kinda like staff left click

[clear heath]

but sometimes you just don't crit at all and you end up surging 4 times

[uncut flume]

Small headache

[formal acorn]

so for crits on surge staff do you just need to aim at the head?

[clear heath]

no it's just rng

[half turtle]

no it's random

yeah

[formal acorn]

ohhh ok

[half turtle]

crits and weakpoints (headshots) are unrelated

[rugged halo]

what do you guys think i should change on this one

[clear heath]

and surge staff can't really hit weakpoints either

[half turtle]

if you look at the damage breakpoints in inspect you can see damage for "normal, crit, weakspot, weakspot + crit"

[clear heath]

the lightning hits are never weakspot hits

[uncut flume]

So full of peril

[rugged halo]

eh, it'll be fine.

[half turtle]

i'd roll away sprint efficiency and run-n-gun probably?

i think the hipfire is the lmb

[rugged halo]

makes sense

[half turtle]

i guess it's possible staff lmb shots are good now

[formal acorn]

that l0ooks good

[edgy heart]

is assail good?

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, I was reading the descriptions and I had to wait for my smooth brain to click and go, "Ohhhhh, that's where it is now."

[half turtle]

yes*

[rugged halo]

i'll probably change sprint speed to carapace enemy

[gusty furnace]

blatantly overpowered

[formal acorn]

does sire melk have the best weapons to buy?

[gusty furnace]

and makes it impossible for teammates to play the game

[half turtle]

assail basically solo clears anything <=4

[gusty furnace]

please don't use assail

[formal acorn]

whyyy

[gusty furnace]

Darktide is not a walking sim

please don't make it into one

[half turtle]

if you use assail on <=4, your teammates don't get to kill anything lol

[rugged halo]

people hate assail psykers. which is why i use smite.

[uncut flume]

Use assail so your teammates can have more time to compliment your awe-inspiring power

[spice veldt]

abuse that shit while it lasts

[half turtle]

on 5+s i'd say it's ok but i actually prefer bb

[rugged halo]

smite allows your companions the ability to bop things on the head

[formal acorn]

i play 4 now

maybe a 5 soon

just got to lv 30 like 30 mins ago

firdt time

[uncut flume]

Wish brain burst was good

[half turtle]

it's good tho

it just doesn't kill literally everything in the room instantly like assail does

[uncut flume]

Not nearly good enough for my purposes

[half turtle]

with empowered psionics and the "better blitz after F" talent you can clear out like 6-10 gunners/flamers/shotgunners really really really fast

empowered psionics also gives you a 1-shot bp on every special except mutants and every ranged elite

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's Gaze should make you immune to suppression.

[half turtle]

i think BB may actually be better than assail on 5+s

[rugged halo]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

smite + empowered psionics gives you UNLIMITED POWER

[half turtle]

just because assail is a huge pita to hit stuff like flamers or back-room snipers mixed into a sufficiently dense horde with

[gusty furnace]

right click

target enemy

throw knife

[half turtle]

you have to do it more than once for a few of the specials and it's way slower

[orchid shadow]

Is standard Surge staff Bzzzt still a thing but just now with extra bells and whistles? Or is it more complicated now than just BZZZt and Illis swooshes and Brain bursting?

[half turtle]

like you can definitely do it, it just feels mediocre

[spice veldt]

depends on your build, but overall Assail enables the most builds

10 ammo with a 3-target limit is quite a lot to burst through

[digital narwhal]

Brain Burst lost some of it's breakpoints with Patch #13, like 2 shots against Crushers n' Reapers, and now it takes a whole host of buff stacking to get Rager one shots again.
Until we get those back, I don't see BB competing with Assail.

[spice veldt]

and even if you just use Assail as a quickswap weapon, it's still quite good

[formal acorn]

im trying a lv 5 rn

[spice veldt]

I just run gunker games and send out assail shards to occasionally regenerate all of my toughness in 2 seconds

[limber heath]

surge staff deals meaningful damage now

[half turtle]

it's fun

[spice veldt]

another advantage of Assail is that it has good synergy with the rest of your talents

[half turtle]

i think assail is definitely more versatile than bb, it just feels like specific-target dps is more important than overall dps

[thorn cedar]

Assail synergizes great with a Psyker using Assail

[half turtle]

assail definitely outdpses bb at every level by a huge margin

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, other weapons do that role better

[thorn cedar]

you can throw out enough shards that you're able to kill your own teammates as they redacted themselves from boredom

[spice veldt]

in melee maelstrom, I'd just run the duelling sword instead of BB

brain rupture's DPS is just depressing

[half turtle]

yes it's shit

[orchid shadow]

Huzzah! Also, LOL at your "meaningful" edit as I was reading your reply. I guess I boot myself back down to Malice games while I figure stuff out again.

[digital narwhal]

In Melee Maelstrom, I just run Surge Staff + Chainsword.
That suites me fine, and then I use Smite since I've got most areas covered with Surge n' Chainsword.

Might not be the most ideal, but-

it's fun and it works.

[half turtle]

hmm i've run trauma most of the time in melee maelstrom

it's pretty fun

[spice veldt]

I love my trauma

imagine needing to have to care about "good positioning" and "looking past 5 meters ahead of you"

[half turtle]

trauma/DS/BB is my go-to for everything now actually

it's just fun

[spice veldt]

coincidentally, I kite into corners and get one-shot by crushers

[half turtle]

DS has illegal amounts of mobility and carapace damage

[digital narwhal]

Imagine needing to care about hordes.
Just Trauma at your feet.
Boom, you're immune to melee enemies.

[limber heath]

use it while it lasts

[half turtle]

tbh i think even if they nerfed the carapace i'd still use it

[ornate hamlet]

Hello, are these 2 blessings good? They sound useful. And are the damage and charge speed stats acceptable?

[digital narwhal]

Nah, they'll target Voidstrike and Assail first

Duelling Swords will survive a little longer

[formal acorn]

what is the ability that makes everyones heads read for crits?

[spice veldt]

sounds like ogryn's taunt

[half turtle]

uhh the ogryn taunt makes them orange

if they're taunted

yeah

[limber heath]

i don't know how FS rolls out balance changes so idk if they're capable of focusing on more than 2 things at once

[formal acorn]

ya ok

thanks

its so good

[spice veldt]

though there are playtesters this time around and we're on an early build, so I'm generally optimistic

anyways, enjoy this crusher one-shot https://streamable.com/0xpve1

[half turtle]

they're both pretty good, although on void i think there's a blessing that makes it shoot twice

that's bis

[half turtle]

kek

[ornate hamlet]

Ah yes, I forgot that one. 😦 I got excited.

[normal radish]

Finally a Voidstrike shows up in Melk, but with 62% in both damage and blast radius

[spice veldt]

it's a bit of a joke setup, but rampage is currently giving a ~2x damage bonus instead of the listed 1.36x

[half turtle]

are you running rampage + weakspot rending?

[spice veldt]

I don't personally run it, but rampage with uncanny has the potential for very funny crusher one-shots

(good luck rolling a crit tho)

[ornate hamlet]

@half turtle Damage against Flak armour and Carapace armour is the best choice or?

[spice veldt]

I had to repeat that process like 7 times to roll a crit

[half turtle]

crit fishing at its finest

i love crit headshotting mutants

[spice veldt]

god bless

[half turtle]

i take unnecessary risks to do it

[half turtle]

hmm usually flak is better but i think there are bps you can hit on carapace

not entirely sure

i haven't used void too much this patch

[ornate hamlet]

I meant those 2 modifiers we can have on the weapons. 25% damage vs x 😮

[half turtle]

yeah so i think the 2 best ones on most weapons are +25% vs flak and +25% vs maniac, because every special+elite in the game other than dogs and ogryns are flak or maniac

i haven't played with void enough to know what the carapace bps are sadly, so i'm not sure what carapace would get you vs those things

[ornate hamlet]

There are more maniac monsters? I thought only the groaning fat guy that grabs you counts as such.

[half turtle]

mutants (charging running guys) ragers (the naked guys with two axes) and flamers are maniacs

and trappers (?) i think; dogs are infested and ogryns are unyielding except when they're carapace like crushers and reaper hands and bulwark sleeves

[clear heath]

yeah for some reason both flamers are maniac even though one looks like it's in armor

idk why they made 2 flamers identical

[spice veldt]

ctrl + c

[dim perch]

lmao

[clear heath]

they could've just made the scab flamer flak and it would've been fine

[strong gulch]

Someone was asking for god rolls. I was thinking that I'd never seen one, then I remembered my sword that I use. 🙃

[half turtle]

is this capable of the legendary uncharged stab mutant 1shot

[strong gulch]

I don't remember. 😭

Probably no with no buff.

[spice veldt]

i think unstable power is required if you don't have any uncanny strike stacks

well actually if you have warp rider

hmm

[ornate hamlet]

Wouldn't I want damage vs. carapace armor instead of maniac damage? Seeing as Crushers are my primary use target for voidstrike.

Bullwarks is also a decent target.

[strong gulch]

If I crit I can one shot with the heavy 2.

[half turtle]

basically i'd only do it if it improves breakpointing

so like if it makes it take 2 instead of 3 hits or whatever, then it's better to take it (i don't know what the voidstrike breakpoints are though bc i haven't used it enough)

i think you also unavoidably end up shooting specials with void from time to time so it's never bad to have specials damage

[upper galleon]

mk4 duelling the best one rn right?

[upper galleon]

you can oneshot a crusher without carapace with surge blessing

the 2 shots that both count as crits to the head

[spice veldt]

ye; here are the tables of their heavies to see it to believe it

[ornate hamlet]

I look for something reliable. Crits can not be depended on, or?

[spice veldt]

it seems that the mk2 h1 has the correct finesse value but wrong base damage value for whatever reason

[upper galleon]

yes they can take warp nexus+ crit chance perk, and 5% crit chance on talent tree (imo you can also go the aura but i rely on shriek)

it's the best way to play void rn cause double shot is that strong

[upper galleon]

ok what perks

i can only trade off one i'm stuck with groaners poxies

flak?

[ornate hamlet]

So that's 35% crit rate or so?

At best.

[upper galleon]

i think void has a higher than normal crit chance but idk, have to ask a psyker main about it

[unkempt juniper]

r8 my sword

[upper galleon]

but rn from experience

[upper galleon]

why crit chance

[spice veldt]

here are the perks that I've figured out so far. There may be other useful breakpoints on something like +elite especially if running some extra damage bonuses like warp siphon but idk

For perks, you can pick among +Carapace/+Crit Chance/+Maniac/+Unyielding. For the below results, assume that you have Warp Rider taken (which gives +10% damage at 0% peril).

• +Carapace ensures a deterministic two-shot (both weakspots) on Maulers with max Uncanny Strike stacks. If you have a nearly perfect 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/pen Duelling Sword (or you have a little bit of peril for Warp Rider), then a weakspot & critical weakspot will two-shot a Crusher with max Uncanny Strike stacks.
• +Crit Chance helps with crits for some one-shot breakpoints and the aforementioned Crusher two-shot. It is admittedly a small bonus, but it is generally applying. For gambling addicts.
• +Maniac helps with reaching a Mutant one-shot with at least 2 Uncanny Strike stacks (or with a crit).
• +Unyielding is for boss DPS and the like.

[upper galleon]

void is best with surge nexus

[unkempt juniper]

for a current crit build

[upper galleon]

then you can do void transfer peril+ warp flurry

but surge one tapping crushers is ridic

[upper galleon]

i c

[outer wren]

Voidstrike question: If I shoot one Bowling Ball towards enemies, is it the ball that has the chance to crit (meaning everything hit gets crit or doesnt get crit), or does each ENEMY have a chance to crit?

[upper galleon]

first dueling sword craft

[formal acorn]

just beat my forst level 5 mission

[upper galleon]

it's when shot out i'm 99% sure

cause htat is how surge works, where you fire 2 crit balls

[unkempt juniper]

i feel like this weapon never hits 3 enemies

[upper galleon]

you don't generate an extra ball each crit

[unkempt juniper]

i could be wrong

[upper galleon]

i don't have another blessing to craft on

[spice veldt]

crits are per-attack, so every enemy gets critted

[unique mist]

that is very weird anyways because it doesnt work that way for melee right

[spice veldt]

stuff like Haymaker (chance to instantly kill human-sized enemies) is per-enemy and whatnot

[unkempt juniper]

so with some quick testing on mine, it seems like only the push attack can hit 3 enemies

so be sure to use it every 3 seconds lol

[unique mist]

which is the push attack

is it the actual push, or the followup

[upper galleon]

the push attack

[spice veldt]

followup

[unique mist]

well

[spice veldt]

the one that happens if you hold down LMB while blocking

[unique mist]

that kinda sucks

[upper galleon]

huh i thgouth dueling swords went rampage but yea I don't have a replacement

[unkempt juniper]

the actual push is not really an attack and does no dmg

[cinder moon]

but it procs relevant abilities for hitting enemies

[half turtle]

grats

[harsh urchin]

can you check if you are hitting 3 enemies with the rampage buff up on the lights

[formal acorn]

thank you sir

[harsh urchin]

it's 36% power

[formal acorn]

how do auric levels work?

[half turtle]

hm i noticed on ds4 heavy stabs you can do the ol' saltzpyre rapier drag

which is hilarious

[unkempt juniper]

no
i don't have a mk4 with rampage, go to the psykanium yourself

[half turtle]

it's less good on darktide than vt2 tho because i think headshot detection is more generous

[spice veldt]

it works on groaners but not poxwalkers

maybe on poxwalkers if they're staggered; i haven't tested that

[half turtle]

auric is just "at least high intensity" missions on diff 4 or 5

so the easiest auric 5 is a hi-intensity 5

[spice veldt]

auric missions apparently got a hidden buff with the skill tree update that sets it apart from the normal board missions

[formal acorn]

oh so kinda like a level 6 mission pretty much

[spice veldt]

good thing that there's no reward difference to imply this

[half turtle]

like in terms of mechanics while you're in them? or rewards?

[half turtle]

yeah kinda, it basically just exists as a separate mission board so you can easily find high-difficulty missions if you want

(before if you wanted to play a 5+ sometimes there just wasn't a 5 at all on the board, or only a 5 low-intensity, or...)

[half turtle]

oh i did not know t his lol

i uh

[spice veldt]

simply intuit it

[half turtle]

i haven't played a non-auric 5 since last year

[formal acorn]

ahhh got it

[half turtle]

hmm ok well that's another difference then

it spawns twice as much stuff

[formal acorn]

geez

i feel like psyker is kinda weak on higher levels but i might just not be very good yet

[half turtle]

psyker is pretty strong IMO

i actually think psyker is the strongest or second-strongest class on 5+ rn

[formal acorn]

i was playing with 2 ogryns and they were destroying everything

[half turtle]

gun lugger may be better

[spice veldt]

oh yeah gunlugger ogryns are on a different level

[half turtle]

but psyker feels noticeably stronger than zealot to me rn (stealth backstab boss 1shots notwithstanding)

[spice veldt]

gunlugger moment https://streamable.com/ags0ps

[unkempt juniper]

last time i beat auric mael with pubs was with an all psyker team funnily enough

we had 3 shields, 2 smites and 2 assails

i was gunker

[half turtle]

i think 3 psykers and a gun-lugger or 2 psykers / 2 gunluggers is peak performance rn

[formal acorn]

maybe because i donty know how to take advantage of all the really good stuff as psyker yet

i just use my staff and assail mostly, try to sit back a tiny bit so i idnt die

so squishy

[half turtle]

i think positioning is more important on psyker than other classes because you're squishy as shit

or just generally, like, understanding the risks of chasing a disabler to finish it

[spice veldt]

getting used to dodges will also help

[half turtle]

i'm a fan of it but the ammo game feels really tight rn

[spice veldt]

if it's the same as pre-patch, then we have roughly the same dodge stats as zealot

[half turtle]

ever since vet got nerfed

[formal acorn]

veteren seems pretty bad to me

[half turtle]

i think psyker has better stam regen delay than zealot

[unkempt juniper]

fuck'em

ammo is for everyone

that includes psykers

[formal acorn]

does anyone actually use a gun instead of a staff?

[spice veldt]

I run guns sometimes

[half turtle]

i've used lasguns

it's fun

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/0squ0f

[half turtle]

i don't know if it's good lol

i've done a bunch of lasgun flatshield smite

[shy fiber]

now thats hot

[spice veldt]

god's punishment for playing gunker

I enjoy gunker since it's actually mechanically engaging

and I don't feel like playing vet

[formal acorn]

does anyone know if i play on my pc will my xbox stuff transfer over?

[half turtle]

uhh no idea

[formal acorn]

it would be through gamepass on my pc

[half turtle]

i'm not actually sure how the fatshark account system works

[formal acorn]

i want to play in my pc but all my stuff is on my console. when i first started playing i didnt know this game was out on pc lol

[spice veldt]

it unfortunately doesn't transfer over

[formal acorn]

dangggggg

[spice veldt]

well, actually I don't know how gamepass works

[half turtle]

i still haven't gotten my vet to 30 after several hundred hours

[formal acorn]

guess i can try

[unkempt juniper]

yeah thats what i run when im gunker, with the cd reduction abilities to spam shields for the team
basically a support/utility psyker throwing shields everywhere
there's also a bug or smth with my build where i can put shields down and not get a cd or charge use from it. no idea how and it only happens when i have 2 charges on the flat shield

[clear heath]

bro i just realized what your level is

what the fuck

[spice veldt]

don't worry about it

[half turtle]

kek

[spice veldt]

I usually have it hidden with hudtweaker but that's been broken for me currently

[formal acorn]

geeez

how do you get all the extra hud stuff?

[clear heath]

do you play other classes much or is it just psyker?

[half turtle]

flatshields are so insanely good on auric shock gauntlet

[formal acorn]

mods and all that?

[half turtle]

they just stop disablers

put it on the door and deal with them later

[spice veldt]

I have a lvl 200 vet from when I powertripped on bolter vet before the skill tree update

other than that, my zealot is lvl ~50 and my ogryn is lvl 29

[half turtle]

im kinda sad they nerfed bolter vet so hard

[unkempt juniper]

yeah flat shields are underrated rn

[clear heath]

can relate to bolter vet abuse

shit was funny

[spice veldt]

VRRRRROOOOOM SKILL ACTIVATED

[half turtle]

now my vet will be 24 forever

[clear heath]

press f and everything just dies

[spice veldt]

it's a shame that we couldn't circumvent bolter's slow equip speed and reload time

truly a shame

[half turtle]

yeah mods

[clear heath]

i miss the reload on F thing now

[half turtle]

you can find a bunch on nexus

[clear heath]

bolter is dead to me

i refuse to manually reload

[half turtle]

imagine having to take 9 seconds to reload on plasma now

[clear heath]

also pinning fire nerf hurts pretty bad

[spice veldt]

on that crit lasgun mindset now huh

[half turtle]

only to take 4 shots to kill anything after

[clear heath]

lol yeah

[spice veldt]

egads, I have forgotten to reload after the previous encounter and am now a sitting duck for a few seconds

(not that I would know)

[clear heath]

never played plasma much

if i wanted to use plasma, i would just use brain burst

aiming is for chumps

[half turtle]

plasma makes a vwoomsh noise tho

[spice veldt]

i like the pinpoint hipfire

[half turtle]

by "pinpoint" you mean "the bullet is like 2 meters in diameter and goes through walls"

[spice veldt]

not caring about walls is occasionally funny

i love my pinpoint bullet magnetism weapons

they should make revolver go through walls like plasma 😔

[half turtle]

i know people say the revolver is good now but it still feels awful to me

[spice veldt]

plasma wass very funny for burster waves on consignment yard

[half turtle]

it's probably skill issue tho

[stiff holly]

if I want to play a psyker where my main source of damage is my ability, is smite or assail better?

[spice veldt]

the reload time on revolver is very painful

[half turtle]

assail by far

[clear heath]

assail

[spice veldt]

ass ail

[stiff holly]

so for pure caster psyker its assail spam, thanks

[clear heath]

if you want to do damage with your blitz ability, smite is literally the opposite of what you want

smite does no damage

[half turtle]

yeah smite deals like 0 damage but permastuns stuff

[spice veldt]

I really do not like that the revolver's reload has this startup time before you get to the reload part

[half turtle]

it also makes your allies do more damage to them

[spice veldt]

so if you have to swap off mid-reload for whatever reason, then you'll have to go through that startup again of opening the latch again

[half turtle]

i rolled one with a rank 4 "reload speed on melee kill" blessing and it was fine i guess

[olive ember]

that isn't how psyker is supposed to be played im ngl, your abilities are supposed to be utility like other class nades so uh... expect assail to get nerfed if you expect an assail only playstyle

[clear heath]

yeah it's aggrevating to look at

[half turtle]

btw i have no idea what any of the blessings or talents are called any more

[spice veldt]

i wish they added an animation that skips the "dumping empty casings" animation

[clear heath]

sorry the empty casings teleported back into the revolver

[strong gulch]

It is, but if you're not married to crucian roulette, you can reload any ole time.

[spice veldt]

i love my psychic vampire and my soulstealer and uhhhhhhhhhh

kinetic resonance

and uhh

they namechanged some of the existing talents for whatever reason

[half turtle]

idk any talents i just click trauma staff on ground

[unkempt juniper]

based

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

[clear heath]

is anyone else still not used to how much damage surge does to bursters now?

i instinctively surge bursters to push them away like i used to but now it just crits and one shots the burster in front of my teammates

[half turtle]

yes i've definitely wiped a run by doing this

[olive ember]

you used surge staff

enough said

I'm pretty sure i've seen someone surge staff a burster without killing it in one blow but

honestly Idr kekw

maybe I was half charging or something

[clear heath]

probably just didn't crit

[olive ember]

maybe idek I kinda just laugh when I see a surge psyker

[upper galleon]

i think crit surge now oneshots bursters yea

LOL

[cinder moon]

i had one of these last night, except the thing was hiding behind a fucking wall and not making any noise until it pounce-detonated

actually jump-scared me

[crude cape]

so whats the trick that lets you infinite bubble?

[cinder moon]

use it with warp charges

[olive ember]

warp charges give instant refund of ability

like even one warp charge will give you 100% CDR

[crude cape]

damn lol

[cinder moon]

he's just standing there, menacingly

[crude cape]

do you need to run the middle aura

or doesnt matter

[olive ember]

don't think it matters iirc

[mossy sundial]

whats the best psyker build for auric?

[clear heath]

people generally go with voidstrike staff and assail

We're all kinda expecting those two things to get nerfed though

[half turtle]

my goto is dueling sword/bb/trauma and it works pretty well, i see void assail a lot too

dueling sword seems objectively the best melee weapon though

[mossy sundial]

im using void assail rn but im thinking about trying smite

smite dueling sword trauma

[half turtle]

i feel that trauma has enough control that smite is redundant unless you really need to be able to stop mutants

[formal acorn]

@clear heath is that the last staff you unlock?

[clear heath]

no idea what order you unlock stuff

[spice veldt]

it's either the 2nd or 3rd staff you unlock

since trauma is the first and purg is the last (at lvl15)

(deranged unlock order)

[loud garnet]

iirc it's trauma, surge, voidstrike, purgatus

[eternal junco]

surge staff feels radically different from when I last played

It feels less like a crowd control weapon and more like a worse flame staff

[loud garnet]

agreed; it only chains to one other target now and is better for high damage instead of CC. it's like they made Smite the real chain lighting ability and instead made Surge staff a focused lightning bolt.

[eternal junco]

rip

It also feels like it holds less charge in it

[clear heath]

I think it's pretty good now

it's like a fast, short ranged brain burst

[eternal junco]

I miss the old version

[loud garnet]

honestly I'm down with it but I wish it had at least one more chained target and the extra targets took a bigger percentage of the damage the main target takes

I also wish that Smite did a little more damage though so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal junco]

void strike kinda accomplishes that but better tbh

[viscid matrix]

go to the armoury, and you can see everything in order that they unlock in the random white item section

stuff down the bottom are the last stuff you can get

[clear heath]

voidstrike is also broken

if you compare anything to voidstrike, voidstrike will win

[eternal junco]

I felt like they could have kept surge staffs identity and made the ability the single target zap

[eternal junco]

yeah but I'm saying it should try and have a separate identity from voidstrike

[loud garnet]

I've heard voidstrike is amazing rn but I still haven't tried it. been enjoying surge and assail combo with a force sword. it feels like I have a tool for every job, at least in the low levels I'm still at on psyker

[eternal junco]

voidstrike is busted

Fast, large projectile with high damage and pierce

Useable primary fire

[loud garnet]

Honestly based; I'll have to snag one next time I play

[eternal junco]

I'd say a good buffed purgatus is better for crowds but assail exists now

[loud garnet]

I'm still like a level or two away from purgatus lol

[formal acorn]

The last staff is kinda booty

[spice veldt]

eh purg is still better crowds but assail being able to target down groups of priority targets makes it gr8

[loud garnet]

I'd heard a suggestion however that Purgatus plus Smite is good for being more of a full support Psyker

[eternal junco]

which one

[clear heath]

surge has been doing well for me. I'm at the point where my surge/smite build is doing more damage than the average void/assail user in auric damn (although that's just soulblaze talents doing most of the work)

[eternal junco]

Trauma?

[formal acorn]

The fire one

[eternal junco]

stat issue

get a better one

[formal acorn]

Might be

[spice veldt]

purgatus is nice

[formal acorn]

Only used it as a lv 15

[eternal junco]

Purgatus with like <70-80% damage is a yikes

[spice veldt]

eh, damage is one of the stats that I don't particularly care for

[eternal junco]

It's damage

[vivid merlin]

does the direvt damage of the purgatus do much I thought it was all in soulburn

[spice veldt]

just swipe your mouse and let soulblaze do its thing

[eternal junco]

It's especially useful on a high firerate, low damage per shot weapon like purgatus

[spice veldt]

since the ICD For soulblaze application is per target

[clear heath]

yeah most of the damage from purg staff isn't from the staff itself

[eternal junco]

it surprisingly helps

[spice veldt]

yeah they did buff it

but If I'm bringing the purg, then I'm going to do a playstyle where I flame something and run ahead

[eternal junco]

I usually use purg alongside dueling sword

[vivid merlin]

I feel like they buffed the range of the purg

[eternal junco]

Just rinse a crowd and run cleanup

[vivid merlin]

it seems huge now

[eternal junco]

Has always been oddly large

[vivid merlin]

I run it with the single target force sword been treating me well

[spice veldt]

it's been the same, just that people underestimated it before for some reason

[eternal junco]

the blocking generating peril talent is so busted

[loud garnet]

/\

[eternal junco]

turn enemy hits into toughness

[spice veldt]

too bad it doesn't work with Warp Expenditure currently

[eternal junco]

still solid

[loud garnet]

And if you're like me you gain even more when you quell that peril

[vivid merlin]

Yeah I can never give that up

[spice veldt]

yup

[vivid merlin]

The peril block saves my ass

[spice veldt]

and I get it for free since I go for True Aim anyways

[formal acorn]

Maybe I'll try a purg staff tmw

[eternal junco]

Also lets you face tank daemonhosts for free

[vivid merlin]

main reason I run force sword is deflector to synerjizz there too

[eternal junco]

i refuse to take anything other than dueling sword

it's so nice

[vivid merlin]

I accidentally aggroed a daemon host and I tanked it for so long it got bored and left

[loud garnet]

Still cringing at the fact I accidentally poked a daemonhost with one of my assail shards without even realizing it was behind the crowd of poxwalkers I was mowing down, and then it immediately ran up and ate my bootyhole

[eternal junco]

I have a +damage on multiple targets hit, +damage on consecutive weak point hit 89% damage one

Actually MELTS through anything unarmored

[unkempt juniper]

mk4?

[eternal junco]

ye

[unkempt juniper]

best sword

the emperor protects

[jolly vale]

Hey so I've been playing a bit and I found assail shards absolutely SHIT on everything
It feels too good to be true
I'm only on the second difficulty brick so does anything change dramatically with their performance 😅

[eternal junco]

actually tempts me to drop assail because I don't even need the crowd clear

[eternal junco]

No, but expect nerf at some point

[jolly vale]

Aww

[eternal junco]

They are currently fun but brainlessly overpowered

[jolly vale]

Dang it

I feel like "the tickle fingers" are hilariously weak
Like whenever I hear a fellow psycher turn it on I know I gotta go help

[eternal junco]

You mean brain burster?

Or the lightning

[jolly vale]

Lightning

[vivid merlin]

I assume he means smite which is a cc tool

[eternal junco]

^

Smite replaced surge staff

[vivid merlin]

you are in fact supposed to go help, he's locking them down

[jolly vale]

Ah

Lol

[eternal junco]

I feel like brain burster needs a buff of some kind

[jolly vale]

I feel like a fire build would be more helpful for that, but mine completely flopped so what do I know

[vivid merlin]

personal opinion assail is a win more pick that doesn't help you in rough spots and makes the game pointlessly clown mode when things are going well anyway

[eternal junco]

It's kinda outclassed by stuff like boltors

[jolly vale]

Prob charge speed

[vivid merlin]

also embeds bad habits for new/returning players in the new patch who think it's going to stay that way throughout the difficulty levels

[eternal junco]

Give it a mechanic where it slows the enemy down immediately upon starting the charge

Make it hybrid cc/damage

[jolly vale]

Or damage imo, at even level 2 quickplay it stopped oneshotting

Like against flamers

[vivid merlin]

It used to make enemies have a stroke just before going off

I don't think that's there anymore

[jolly vale]

It staggers them a bit

[eternal junco]

Assail is a bandaid for crowd clear

Just learn how to use purgatus/voidstrike

[loud garnet]

trueeeee brain burst needs to be the single-target head popper it was always meant to be. I've seen people playing normal damnation still unable to single-tap different elites and specialists with the upgraded version and it honestly makes me sad.

[jolly vale]

But only the little guys

[jolly vale]

Yeah what's up with that

[spice veldt]

it helps with special waves and basically anything that doesn't involve maulers/crushers/bulwarks/monstrosities

[eternal junco]

assail helps period

[jolly vale]

Like I want to use it because it's the only real path to fire, but Holy shit

[eternal junco]

Crowd clear? Gotcha
Elite popping? Gotcha
Spamming? Gotcha

[lunar hollow]

psyker has absolutely no anti-carapace/unyielding options if u bring assail SMH

[spice veldt]

people like to say that it's bad against armour, but its armour modifiers aren't really that bad

[spice veldt]

tru tru tru

[loud garnet]

Truly. And don't even get me started on how the revolver can be better against heavier armors than the bolter lmao that shit is just ridiculous

[unreal burrow]

wait what?

[jolly vale]

Lmao fr 😂

[unreal burrow]

that makes no sense

[eternal junco]

The entire rest of his kit:

[loud garnet]

mans brought receipts and honestly I respect the hell out of it

[lunar hollow]

those dont exist

dueling sword and voidstrike cant hurt u

[eternal junco]

true true

[lunar hollow]

they arent real

[strong gulch]

Alright @steel flame, this is the best I could do for now.

[spice veldt]

it's true, I ate the rest of psyker's kit

[jolly vale]

Yeah psycher is really nice for pretty much anything

[spice veldt]

(except boss DPS)

[lunar hollow]

although honestly

i have made it a little minigame

to play revolver/helbore vet

[strong gulch]

true

[lunar hollow]

and steal the kills of assail psykers

[jolly vale]

Just stick with an ogryn and you're good

[spice veldt]

i do the progamer move of Change Operative > Zealot whenever I decide to play monstrosity

[lunar hollow]

because my guns dont have travel time

[eternal junco]

A correct dueling sword load out or a good aim voidstrike disagrees

[spice veldt]

40-50 seconds for a non-unyielding DS to kill a plague ogryn is peepee poopoo

and that's assuming that the boss is aggro'd onto you

boss DPS that doesn't rely on weakspot hits comes rarely

and voidstrike's sustained boss DPS is also peepee poopoo

[jolly vale]

You'd be hard pressed to steal mine
I literally just spam until I start hitting things

😂

[thorn cedar]

most people dont survive 40-50s of a boss aggroed onto them anyway

[loud garnet]

Honestly all I've been doing on vet since unlocking the helbore is using it and a shovel in true Death Korps fashion. Easily my favorite Imperium army/faction.

[eternal junco]

Why are you holding sustained boss aggro as psycher

[spice veldt]

I'm considering an Infernus laspistol + bloodletter chainsword for monstrosity maelstroms as psyker

[jolly vale]

I tried using the fire staff, but I was obviously doing something wrong

[cinder moon]

not who you asked, but because 2 of my teammates died and i'm letting the 3rd get them up

[eternal junco]

spec into soul blaze stuff

[lunar hollow]

u can probably get most of the value out of a bloodletter chainsword

and then just run whatever in the gun slot

[jolly vale]

I did until the purples

[eternal junco]

In that case just kite and spam voidstrike

[jolly vale]

I'm only like trust 16 💀

[cinder moon]

yes, that will work in 100% of situations, thanks

[eternal junco]

did it have good burn and DMG percents

[eternal junco]

yeah that's the issue probably

[jolly vale]

I found it on the floor

[eternal junco]

if you can't kite for like 10-20s while a teammate is getting res'd I don't think anything can really clutch that up

[eternal junco]

fair

[cinder moon]

scrier's or warp charges? i've been trying the laspistol with my WC gunker build and am not convinced about it

[cinder moon]

you missed the point

[eternal junco]

what

[cinder moon]

"just spam voidstrike"

[eternal junco]

Yeah free dps

run n gun voidstrike on top

[cinder moon]

because 100% of psykers are running voidstrike 100% of the time

right?

[spice veldt]

tbh scrier's is fairly risky and I don't want to put too much attention into peril management if I ever need to spam assail shards on specials

[cinder moon]

oh you're using assail, ofc

[spice veldt]

cuz i'm braindead

[eternal junco]

ok fine if you're not running void spam assail or get cover and burst or god forbid just focus on living

[spice veldt]

laspistol should be good nuff for specials but you never know

[jolly vale]

Oh oh oh what tf is up with the psycher just casually talking to the God emperor

[spice veldt]

and when crushers show up, just be sad since laspistol/assail/chord isn't doing much against them 🥲

[jolly vale]

Like o_o

[cinder moon]

i've been trying BB/laspistol/DS4 with warp charges, it works alright but definitely lacks some sustained dps in certain scenarios, soulblaze is there to fill that gap but not perfect

[jolly vale]

(I have consumed no other Warhammer media but this)

[spice veldt]

my mechanics aren't up to par yet so I'm just gonna run assail 99.9% of the time

[eternal junco]

psyker is built to be a burst character it's kinda hard to get sustain out of it

[eternal junco]

I will say bb does help you understand target priority

I played back when BB was the only option and it helped my game sense a lot

[spice veldt]

I despise BB

[eternal junco]

biggest issue with BB was people killing your target before you finished charging

[cinder moon]

that's even worse now since kill steals don't award warp charges

[spice veldt]

it's a "ugh if I somehow railroad myself into a build with zero crusher/bulwark DPS, then I guess I'll have to take this thing"

[cinder moon]

bb is borderline useless for crushers now, basically a last resort

even with 6 wc it takes 3 hits

[spice veldt]

shame

[eternal junco]

imagine multilock bb with faster charge

[cinder moon]

it's always a 1 hit on dogs, trappers, snipers, and i think gunners though

[spice veldt]

6 seconds per crusher 😔

[eternal junco]

That'd be fun

[eternal junco]

If it charged at a reasonably fast rate I'd consider it for snipers

hate snipers so much

[spice veldt]

my idea is to add some mechanical engagement by making BB charge faster if your cursor is over the locked-on enemy

[cinder moon]

BB is the best for dealing with snipers that your team can't handle

or a revolver

[lunar hollow]

brainburst just scales like shit with difficulty

[spice veldt]

tbf even the staff bolt is good for that

[eternal junco]

at that point just bring a gun or staff and shoot them

[lunar hollow]

on aurics now u get so many gigantic elite patrols

[spice veldt]

sure, but it'll be better for builds where you're railroaded into BB

[eternal junco]

(or voidstrike )

[lunar hollow]

so its not even really like a viable tool for picking elites off before a fight starts or if u get bogged down by a bunch of gunners

[cinder moon]

voidstrike has travel time

[lunar hollow]

because there's so goddamn many and the game spawns MORE

[spice veldt]

I do think that BB can be genuinely useful, but its design and lack of any complex elements prevents you from doing any more with it

[tight birch]

Voidstrike is just better BB now

[eternal junco]

BB has charge time

[cinder moon]

you use them together and elevate both to new levels

[spice veldt]

tbf snipers just sit there most times

[cinder moon]

BB is the only way to get full soulblaze build, paired with voidstrike you're killing everything

[lunar hollow]

if they fixed BB having a minimum cast time that can't be influenced by cast time reduction

[spice veldt]

you can dink them with a staff bolt

[tight birch]

There's no reason to ever BB if you're running Voidstrike

[lunar hollow]

it would be cooler

[spice veldt]

what animations does to a mf

[lunar hollow]

like

ogryn gunlugger got custom sped up reload animations

for his ult

give us the supa fast BBs

[eternal junco]

Make BB a multilock stun/slow with decent dps

[spice veldt]

psykers are the most oppressed 😔

[jolly vale]

Can you imagine the anger in my heart when I found out psykers can't use bolters

Like

[eternal junco]

psyker just starts counting on his fingers

[spice veldt]

I KNOW RIGHT

[lunar hollow]

bolter sucks rn so really ur not missing out on much

[spice veldt]

ARMS TOO WEAK

[lunar hollow]

unironically revolver better

[jolly vale]

WHY

[eternal junco]

nah

[limber heath]

would be cool if your BB got fast enough if you started onehanding each target

[eternal junco]

boltors makes enemies evaporate

[jolly vale]

Yeah but ITS THE WARHAMMER WEAPON

[dense bramble]

I never liked bolter tbh

[cinder moon]

BB would be perfectly fine if its baseline casting time were buffed to be as fast as the reduced chargetime from venting shriek

[spice veldt]

i didn't like bolter on zealot

[cinder moon]

and if it still gave WC on kill steals

[spice veldt]

but on vet you could always just press F

[eternal junco]

boltors needs a faster draw time

[limber heath]

before bolter on zealot was fine you jsut used it for like one thing and the recoil and handling was obviously aids

it was just the biggun fucker

and carapace

[eternal junco]

But that's kinda thunder hammers job

[cinder moon]

flamer/eviscerator zealot 4 life

[limber heath]

yea, you'd use it in a non thammer build ofc

bringing it with thammer would be monke

[eternal junco]

to me the whole point of zealot is thunder hammer

[limber heath]

i think its still good for prio elite/special removal afaik

yes, likewise

[eternal junco]

and the immortality totem thing

[cinder moon]

i see this shit all the time from new 30s in t5 pugs

[void fable]

Hi, I'm starting to try out Psyker more since the big patch. I was wondering if there were any general thoughts on Scrier's Gaze?

[viscid matrix]

its great for Gunker and melee builds

its an axe, meh

dueling swords and force swords are where its at

[void fable]

I see. So it's better with non force weapons? I was going to try it out with a voidstrike staff. But maybe I should reconsider

[viscid matrix]

it generates peril pretty quikcly, so its better with guns and melee weapons that dont also generate peril

[cinder moon]

scrier's makes your peril go up while it's active, it's counterproductive to use it with weapons that also increase your peril

you'll end up quelling a lot or just hit 100% super fast

[spice veldt]

there's transfer peril though it's not as though the force staffs particularly benefit from +20% crit chance and whatnot

[jolly vale]

So
Kinetic flayer
Awesome as shit on paper, but I'm finding it barely ever hits anything but the ankle biters

Am I doing it wrong

[spice veldt]

you can make scrier's gaze work, but it can be more trouble than it's worth given that the shield ult gives a benefit without requiring any downsides or extra management on your part

[spice oar]

Depends I mean, surge on void and blazing spirit on trauma

[spice veldt]

yeah, but if you're going on the right side you're prob taking assail anyways and going for True Aim

in which case you can just roll for deterministic crits

[open crag]

is slaughter bis on deimos?

[viscid matrix]

its pretty good, but tends to activate every 15s reguardless of what you target
so best bet just focus the strong enemies when its available

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny Strike and Unstable power are both really good

[open crag]

whelp just bought a sword to strip of it of slaughter4 oh well lol

[half turtle]

i definitely have one shotted disablers with the edge of trauma staffs stagger aoe via kinetic flayer

no idea how much it actually adds but it's fun

[spice veldt]

also fun when it decides to target a daemonhost

[ashen schooner]

slaughter is still good, and can use on others

[spice veldt]

it truly was one of the events of all time when that happened

[half turtle]

i already run every soulblaze talent so it's too late to worry about that

[idle bay]

Melk had a stroke today.. and now selling me THIS

[viscid matrix]

oof, to bad it doesnt have 80 finesse and first target

[idle bay]

Well it's still Melk 🙂

Aslo this auto-bricked on First Target Antax V

[half turtle]

what a guy

[cobalt bone]

is there any way to get around the 3 hit bb on bulwarks if you are going for the right capstone?

[viscid matrix]

not really, Voidstrike can 1tap them

but otherwise 3 tap bb and other things are the norm

[cobalt bone]

pain..

[idle bay]

Well there is a 10% chance of 2 tapping them with BB with node... So 10% less pain

[cobalt bone]

and people wondering why psyker run assail

[idle bay]

Or Smite

[cobalt bone]

ye

[viscid matrix]

i can run any build with a Dueling sword and 2 tap them

i can use deimos and 2 tap them

[cobalt bone]

was not asking for weapons was asking for bb 😛

[viscid matrix]

it can kill all the non ogryns safely, it does more than enough damage

[cobalt bone]

so can assail

[viscid matrix]

assail is currently overtuned

it has 7 more ammo than it needs and double the ammo regen it should have

[cobalt bone]

by the time i nearly killed one non ogryn sharpshooter already killed 5 additional :/

[viscid matrix]

comparing somthing that is broken to somthing thats balanced, and wondering why the balanced one isnt as good.....

[cobalt bone]

some people do not already have 1kh in this game :x

[idle bay]

I wonder if fatshar will tune down MK iV dueling sword or will bring other dueling swords to it's power?

[spice veldt]

for now, prob bringing it up

cuz the numbers on the mk2 and mk5 don't match the patch notes

[viscid matrix]

i doubt its gonna be touched before 2024

[spice veldt]

they're lower than they should be

[idle bay]

Zealot in right setup can 1HKO any boss

[cobalt bone]

Zealot begins with Z cuz its in Z tier xD

[spice veldt]

mk2 has the correct finesse values but lower base damage, and mk5 has the correct base damage (i think) but lower finesse values

[viscid matrix]

zealots are the 3rd strongest

Ogryn are currently the most powerful, followed by psyker

[cobalt bone]

only because of assail

[idle bay]

What about vet rending builds that literaly melt everything?

[jolly hawk]

Cry’s in no ammo

[narrow crane]

yeah everyone's a little juiced up rn

[spice veldt]

crit lasgun 😔

[viscid matrix]

wrong, its Voidstrike, Smite and Shields

[idle bay]

Lasgun and headshot - and there is no ammo issues 🙂

[plucky flax]

Psyker is most powerful in melee only modifier.

[narrow crane]

tru

trauma staff gang rise up

[jolly hawk]

Cries in bad aim

[spice veldt]

i'd post a scoreboard if I didn't die 5 times in that match

[cobalt bone]

doesnt crit also count?

or only weakspot hit

[viscid matrix]

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g or be ogryn and just generate ammo on hit

[glad meadow]

You can do that?

[cobalt bone]

lucky bullet and the other blessing forgor

[spice veldt]

tbf that's also josho's shitty internet at play

[narrow crane]

ngl tho Darktide needs to be harder

[idle bay]

I never bothered to check. I'm split between Recon lasgun melter and Vraks MK III headhunter shredder 🙂 Both have no ammo issues if you are good shot.

[plucky flax]

I'd post a scoreboard if I actually finished one yesterday. The vigil station one. Smh got the worst teammates possible. Waste all their ammo at the start and even level 18.

[spice veldt]

needing ammo is pretty cringe i agree

[plucky flax]

I did like 600k+ damage after 17 mins.

[spice veldt]

good thing I play the cringeless class

vet's ammo regen still seems pretty fine

[clear heath]

okay i burned through 1 million ordo dockets and 10k plasteel and got this
pretty much as good as i could hope for

i am now bankrupt

[cobalt bone]

i've found vets still pretty tanky too

[lyric oracle]

Quick question might've been answered before, if I wanna complete Pick n' Mix can i use the augmented brain blast?

or does it have to be default

[plucky flax]

Can you 1 shot flamer and trapper with that surge staff?

If not perhaps maniac is a better pick.

[clear heath]

No but i refuse to give up cara damage

crushers are too cringe without it

[floral thorn]

aug versions are fine for penances

[plucky flax]

Fair.

[lyric oracle]

gotchu thanks

[clear heath]

it one shots on crits at least, which is pretty often

basically has ~40% crit

[jolly vale]

I'm so fuckin tired of daemonhosts
The psycker can't just leave them be, because their entire kit is crowd control, they are going to hit the host, and the team is going to get wiped

[upbeat parcel]

Siblings, any tips for survivability in damnation and auric? I can kill things fine but staying alive is a struggle

[clear heath]

kill things faster

[spice veldt]

hmm, what are you dying to

[upbeat parcel]

honestly getting attacked from behind when I'm dealing with something else is the worst offender

then gunners fuck me up

[jolly vale]

I look like the dumbass cause my assail shards b-lined into it

[clear heath]

reminder that you can block stuff behind you if youre getting melee'd from the back

[spice veldt]

getting some muscle memory to dodge sideways when that happens will help, though that'll take time to build up

at the very worst, cling to walls and whatnot

[plucky flax]

Turn on back stab notification sound. I think it's an option.

[spice veldt]

(or always be ahead of your team so that you don't need to care about the back)

[clear heath]

I think it should be on by default

[upbeat parcel]

oh that would help actually

I'm doing a psionics, smite, shield build so I'm usually next to teammates pretty often

infinite smite feels very good

[clear heath]

this is a good way to set up dissapointment in your teammates

[spice veldt]

it is a bottomless pit

[viscid matrix]

every time you hear the sound cue, dodge to left or right reguardless of what you are doing

[spice veldt]

I think just sticking to walls will fairly immediately applicable

[upbeat parcel]

Psykers and vets get one shot pretty easily but vets have waaaay more move speed

[spice veldt]

once you figure out where enemies spawn and where they come from, it should be fine

mmm psykers can go pretty zoomies

[viscid matrix]

only time you get one shot is crushers

everything else is chip damage

[plucky flax]

We have the crab walk and the attack slide.

[coarse sequoia]

what would you guys say is the worst psyker ability path

[upbeat parcel]

bruh maulers hurt too

[nocturne copper]

Whats a good gun for psyker

[spice veldt]

I imagine that the slowness comes from your build involving smite

[nocturne copper]

surge

smite i mean

[viscid matrix]

tbh they are all good, just depends on your weapons

[spice veldt]

though maulers are one of the enemies with more lenient dodge timings

[viscid matrix]

Smite is BIS in aurics, cause you can lock down enemies

[clear heath]

scrier's gaze

[upbeat parcel]

if you're doing crit build I recc laspistol

[spice veldt]

can't CC maulers as easily but they're more easily dodged

[viscid matrix]

its amazing if you are doing a gunker or melee build

[nocturne copper]

hmm las pistol

not recon las gun

[upbeat parcel]

laspistol sucks ass without crits but with crits it can get pretty fun

also gives you pretty good movement speed

[spice veldt]

laspistol also has very neat weakspot multipliers

[viscid matrix]

vraks III and Kantreal XII are both really good for Gunkers

[nocturne copper]

hmmm

[clear heath]

I think the average person that brings smite uses it too much

[nocturne copper]

i have a 3 on my zealot

[clear heath]

it's a good emergency tool

[upbeat parcel]

but alright everyone I shall hug the walls and turn on the back attack noise

[clear heath]

but people should be doing damage more of the time

[viscid matrix]

dodge, then turn to it
guarentee to be safe that way

[signal rune]

People use smite? How is it?

[clear heath]

I bring smite and use it like 0-3 times per run

not abusing the infinite smite bug tho

[upbeat parcel]

depends on the situation, in higher diffs keeping a whole horde stunned alleviates a lot of pressure on the team

[viscid matrix]

great for locking down a bunch of enemeies so the others can murder them

[clear heath]

Killing elites/specials alleviates a lot of pressure as well

[signal rune]

I'm too busy enjoying a new dex build thanks to the flying daggers that looks like something out of anime

[plucky flax]

Unlimited power smite is funny when the team doesn't help and just die anyway

[clear heath]

there are some situations that call for it, but a lot of the time it's better just to take out threats

[nocturne copper]

I didnt realise psyker could use the hand cannon

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/7fgebio7n_w

[spice veldt]

our arms are strong enough to handle it, unlike certain weapons (bolters, shotguns, etc. 🥲 )

[viscid matrix]

oof unlucky

[plucky flax]

I usually give people a chance but since the patch so many below 30 in auric maelstrom just being clueless.

[clear heath]

You can use smite selfishly if you're using soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Smh expecting free exp boosting.

[clear heath]

just scream at the enemies for 6 soulblaze stacks and then smite

relying on teammates is too cringe

[upbeat parcel]

I can't believe auric doesn't have a lvl 30 requirement

[vagrant frigate]

boop

[spice veldt]

it does, but the lvl30 player of a squad can queue for it with lvl <30s

[upbeat parcel]

I can admit using smite with bad teammates feels bad but with a good team it does work

[plucky flax]

I run non bugged smite normally. I did 900k damage in 39 mins.

[upbeat parcel]

u can still kill things with surge staff

[spice veldt]

das the good shit right there

[upbeat parcel]

no crazy horde clear though

[gilded viper]

What does Enhanced Blitz do? Map modifier, not the keystone.

[half turtle]

not if you accidentally slide into a corner they aren't

[idle bay]

So there is low chance of patches until 2024? And we can have al the fun we want until then?

[viscid matrix]

running smite with warp charges feels better than runnign with empowered

[half turtle]

source: i have several hundred hours of experience sliding into corners

[idle bay]

I'm running Smite with 6 charges - feels gooooood 🙂

[spice veldt]

I know that for Assail, its peril cost is reduced by 50%
You also get 2 extra shards (12 shards), but it'll only regen up to 10 after using up those 2 extra shards

[clear heath]

those 2 extra shards feels like fatshark trolling us

[plucky flax]

Extra blitz to use. More assail, less peril, more grenades.

[gilded viper]

interesting

[spice veldt]

if it's anything like pre-patch, then yeah it's probably just peril stuff

since pre-patch, it reduced the peril generated by BB's cast by 50%

so instead of generating 20% + 25% = 45% peril, you generated 20% + 12.5% = 32.5% peril

[clear heath]

wow

[spice veldt]

i know right what a banger

[upbeat parcel]

warp charge smite probably does a fuck ton of aoe damage but I assume u need a staff to get the warpcharges in the first place?

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[upbeat parcel]

surge probably

[plucky flax]

No you only need peril.

[spice veldt]

anything with single-target works

run up and stab shotgunners in the face and whatnot

[plucky flax]

Warp charges are for faster cd reduction on creeping flame.

[viscid matrix]

its meh, only 24% increased damage to somthing that already only does like 70dps

[gilded viper]

Warp Charges with dueling sword are insane too, right now I got a 3 shot on crusher without crit

[half turtle]

i feel like empowered smite is just better rn but idk if it's a bug the way it works

[plucky flax]

I hold on to my warp charges more frequently when playing blaze trauma tho.

[half turtle]

i think empowered adds 50% (base, so multiplicative) damage on top of the cost thing

[viscid matrix]

its a bug to have unlimited channel

[upbeat parcel]

yeah psionics smite will probably get nerfed but it just seems better now

[half turtle]

is the channel meant to terminate automatically after a while, or is it just a bug for it to give 0% cost

[viscid matrix]

bug for 0% cost, its not in the tooltip

its supposed to go up to 100 and teminate automaticly

[eternal junco]

Y'all ever just instinctually try to block a crusher

[half turtle]

not usually

but sometimes

[viscid matrix]

always 😄 usualy with a dodge just as its about to hit cause i rememebr its gonna hit anyway

[upbeat parcel]

I usually scream irl when I turn around and there's a crusher/mauler behind me

[half turtle]

just take scream in-game too

[half turtle]

hmm you must live in a really bad neighborhood if you see maulers and crushers around irl

[gilded viper]

I do not enjoy the roving packs of 6-7 crushers

[upbeat parcel]

I live in brazil that's a given

[brittle ferry]

What’s the best melee rn?

[gilded viper]

if I knew any portuguese i'd say something funny

[half turtle]

dueling sword 4

[brittle ferry]

To go with surge or voidstrike

[half turtle]

it's really fun to trauma them

you should try trauma

[brittle ferry]

Also what curio to run with this class

[gilded viper]

Yah, I've used trauma a bit since the patch dropped, I'm just enjoying my Purge build a lot right now

[brittle ferry]

Just classic toughness hp wound with gunner and sniper resist?

[upbeat parcel]

depends if you want horde clear or single target melee

[brittle ferry]

And uhh more toughness substat?

[half turtle]

i like 20-40% bomber resist on psyker because you're squishy as fuck

and also a lot of psyker stuff involves channeling shit while moving slowly

[gilded viper]

btw, did anyone notice they added patrols? and yah roaming enemies isn't new, but like they got marching sfx and everything like a vt2 patrol

[upbeat parcel]

hp and toughness boost, gunner resist and whatever else resist u feel like

[half turtle]

idk i see crusher i brain burst

[upbeat parcel]

ya seeing like 6 crushes fairly often

[half turtle]

usually i run hp + toughness + stam as my three curio mainstats

[upbeat parcel]

the other classes usually throw all their grenades at it though so it's not that much of a issue

[half turtle]

and i get 2 each of gunner, bomber, and flamer resist

[gilded viper]

I mean, I don't think patrols in DT are as life threatening as say a Chaos Patrol in vt2

[brittle ferry]

Is shield + assail/smite + surge/void the way to go rn

[half turtle]

then i drop down and instantly die to 3 snipers i didn't see

[gilded viper]

I run some dog resist and sniper resist mainly

[brittle ferry]

Prob horde

[upbeat parcel]

go with the uh

[half turtle]

illisi force sword is good

[upbeat parcel]

illisis? force sword

that's my go to

[half turtle]

but also dueling sword 4 is good

[brittle ferry]

Psyker has no business doing single target in melee anyways

[upbeat parcel]

u can spam the unique charge up for it to build up peril

for the memes

[half turtle]

ds4 is saltz's rapier, if you played vt2

[brittle ferry]

Cause single target damage is kinda what the staff is for

[half turtle]

same moveset except no the lights are all up-to-down

[brittle ferry]

Although void staff also pierces

[upbeat parcel]

voidstrike does amazing clear tbh

[half turtle]

voidstrike is just good at everything rn

it ignores bulwark shields, it clears hordes, it snipes specials, it kills armor

[upbeat parcel]

voidstrike was my favorite even back in launch

[spice veldt]

sure we do

[half turtle]

ds4 ds4 ds4

[spice veldt]

oh wait wrong one

where's the unscuffed one

[upbeat parcel]

but the other staves got some decent buffs u can even go with the ground blast staff and do decently well

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/77q3s6

crusher two-shot babeeeee

[brittle ferry]

I plan to go melee hordeclear + void + dome shield + assail

[upbeat parcel]

I would use surge instead of void with assail but that's just preference

[brittle ferry]

I mean void and surge do pretty much the same job

[gilded viper]

Yah mk4 is wild

[brittle ferry]

It’s just void has better aoe but has to aim

[upbeat parcel]

also make sure to get a staff that has 20% more damage against armored enemies

cause assail aint doing shit to them

[coarse sequoia]

what's the worst staff to use on psyker

[brittle ferry]

Ye thats what the staff is for

Also

Do you mean carapace damage

Or flak damage

[upbeat parcel]

ye carapace

or flak or maybe even both if ur lucky

[half turtle]

right now it's purg probably, but it's not even that bad

[gilded viper]

None are really awful, Purge is outshined right now, but it's still great

[upbeat parcel]

purgatus is not that good if you don't have the soulblaze passives

[spice veldt]

you don't need soulblaze passives for purg to be good

[brittle ferry]

Doesn’t base void staff destroy crushers anyways without carapace perk

[coarse sequoia]

What talents do I wanna run with surge? tried using rupture but it felt redundant

[spice veldt]

it's an infinite cleave weapon that applies soulblaze

can't really go wrong with purg unless you make terrible build decisions for your blitz/melee

[upbeat parcel]

btw brainburst with psionics is surpriginsgly fun

[half turtle]

probably assail and wall

[upbeat parcel]

feels way better than BB with warpcharges

[half turtle]

it's one shot for anything that can be sniped

i love it actually

[upbeat parcel]

quick cast too

[half turtle]

the one thing that's annoying is that specials don't give the guaranteed charge back, only elites