psyker-class

[spice veldt]

illisi has diagonal lights so that'll probably help (EXCEPT FOR THE UPPERCUT DIAGONAL L3 L4)

[zinc phoenix]

I legit can never remember the combos and rely entirely on positioning, blocking, push attacks and dodges to not get cucked in melee 😂

I feel like “don’t stand in the obvious suicide spots” gets you really far in this game

[plucky flax]

I just light spam.

Rip 75% power

[zinc phoenix]

Along with “prioritize that which can fuck you hardest”

[zinc phoenix]

Nice 👑

[plucky flax]

Combo this combo that too hard. Just left click

[haughty sky]

hey hey, sometimes its right click and THEN left click

⚡

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/gayixiangs-gif-22421534

Me when I play assail

[indigo thunder]

What's a good monster-killing build?

[near wyvern]

voidstrike with warp flurry and surge

true aim on that with perfect timing and you are good to go

apart from that and uncanny strike deimos / mk 4 duelling sword there is none

and melee is always risky and not always available (like nurgle)

[indigo thunder]

true aim?

[fierce crest]

bottom right of talent tree

after 5 headshots, next ranged shot crits

[lucid terrace]

Guys, I’m opening a class on psykernomics

[toxic forge]

warp charge being broken is

hilariously op

[indigo thunder]

I wish I had surge for voidstike

but it doesn't drop

[ebon jolt]

Purgatus is also pretty decent against monstrosities. 15 stacks of soulblaze will eventually get it done.

[cyan thicket]

what kind of stats are good for purgatus staff?

[indigo thunder]

Damage is the dump stat

The rest are great

[paper fern]

I swear assail shards try their damned hardest to curve in the worst possible direction and smack straight into a wall

[ebon jolt]

Burn is priority 1. Want 15 max stacks.

[near wyvern]

i

no internal cooldown

if you are fighting a horde and shoot heads you can do back to back double balls with void

[cyan thicket]

Is this any good?

[ebon jolt]

That passive rendered my T4 infernus headhunter recon VId obsolete 😫

[ebon jolt]

Yup. Now you want the crit perk, warp nexus and warp flurry.

[steel flame]

Wh you can never have too many crits

[simple scaffold]

Is scryers gaze any good?

I cant seem to make it work

Idk never feels right

[cyan thicket]

crit strike chance or damage?

[ebon jolt]

It will be good when they fix the bug making warp charge CDR not affect gaze.

[simple scaffold]

I wanna love it but it feels goofy

[spice veldt]

crit chance > crit damage

on the purg, at least

[simple scaffold]

The alternatives seem much better

[spice veldt]

yeah scrier's gaze is eh

[steel flame]

I use it for my crit laspistol/saber build and it's amazing along with destiny for absolutely ludicrous speed and ranged immunity by way of crits

[ebon jolt]

Chance.

[spice veldt]

it's the only ult that comes with a straight up detriment that just adds in downtime for a buff that's eh

[strong gulch]

For whatever reason people keep putting down health packs right before a health station with most of the party not super low on health. We aren't entering a challenging area and a lot of the time we have a fair bit of corruption. No, no one takes the heal corruption with a med pack thing.

[simple scaffold]

Yea it feels like a gunpsyker ability

[steel flame]

I tend to agree and I'm ok with that

[simple scaffold]

Havent really tried gunpsyker, it feels viable now

[steel flame]

Though I'm curious about a purgatus build using it

[simple scaffold]

Not sure its better that void strike and bubble shield

Void staff is nuts now

[ebon jolt]

I think the power of gaze comes from the ramping damage and finesse buff and not the ability buff itself. Since it lasts for 10 seconds after the ability ends if you can achieve high enough CDR you could in theory have the buff active all the time.

[steel flame]

Only thing really holding gunker back before this patch was terrible toughness Regen but we are spoiled for choice now and the whole crit tree fits them super well

[ebon jolt]

But unfortunately warp siphon is bugged so you can’t.

[simple scaffold]

Yea, it just requires an odd amount of active buff management

[brave vale]

Cloud radius sort of sucks on this, should i get it?

[steel flame]

Can't sleep on that 20% speed either especially when you can stack it with the other stuff for 160% movement speed

[simple scaffold]

I still like og pskyer with push and bb

Feels like you can play all the old psykers in one build now

Reddit loves assail, idk it seems fine but not game breaking

[spice veldt]

is overtuned

the 100 base damage that you see in the patch notes is a lie btw

it has 250 base damage

[simple scaffold]

Thats fair

It is good

[near wyvern]

lmao, it is game breaking

[cyan thicket]

so I tried few times and got this I dont have warp nexus so I gotta try getting that one

[simple scaffold]

Its just not breaking the game for me

[spice veldt]

aim assist weapon with literally no falloff in effectiveness in range (up to a certain extent of course, but most of your engagements are happening within 50m)

and you have 10 max charges to burst through

and each shard comes back every 1.4s with Quick Shards

[near wyvern]

try assails with empower and then use only that for the round

[simple scaffold]

Ill try and see

[near wyvern]

make sure you have scoreboard installed

[simple scaffold]

I dont use scoreboard

[steel flame]

I'm not worried about any nerfs it might get. It will still serve the roll I use it for regardless

[simple scaffold]

Yea it fills a role for me

[near wyvern]

also @simple scaffold bonus points for revolver with hand cannon perk, it also applies to assails

[simple scaffold]

Kills loose gunners

[spice veldt]

yeah as a quickswap weapon it'll be fine

even with 3 charges and slower regen, it'd be a great weapon even as just a weapon for synergizing with Soulstealer

[frank moat]

My biggest problem with assail is that every time I get a teammate that uses it they suck ass

[steel flame]

Lol

[spice veldt]

i am genuinely impressed at people who spam assail and just suck at it with it

literally one of the most skillless and mechanically dead weapons, even among psyker's arsenal

[frank moat]

Going down to singular mauler or just BB’ing themselves

[spice veldt]

just hold W, spam LMB, gesture your crosshair over the enemy, and you've just solved the game

or do it while sliding

[strong gulch]

WHAT

[cyan thicket]

what kind of weapon should I get for purgatus?

[spice veldt]

as in melee?

[cyan thicket]

yeah

[spice veldt]

prob mk4 duelly

[frank moat]

Deimos or Mk4 duelling sword methinks

Purg is for crowds so cover your weakness

[spice veldt]

get some of that single-target

[simple scaffold]

You dont need horde clear melee if u take purge

Yup

[lyric burrow]

Deimos works too

[spice veldt]

dab on those crushers https://streamable.com/77q3s6

[simple scaffold]

Dueling swords are just fun

[lyric burrow]

It destroys crushers so hard its comedic

Is that damage with +unyielding

[spice veldt]

tfw the thunderhammer special only deals ~1.7k to crushers on a headshot

[frank moat]

Not to further shit on assail because I don’t personally think it’s totally broken, just overtuned

[spice veldt]

i cheated a little bit and this duelling sword has both +carapace and +elite

[lyric burrow]

On plogryn

[frank moat]

But from my testing the Point Blank blessing also effects Assail

[lyric burrow]

Ok

[simple scaffold]

Im with ya

[spice veldt]

o no unyielding

w/o +elite or high enough stats on your DS (nearly 80 on all offensive stats), you need warp rider to two-shot crushers with fully uncanny strike stacks and at least one crit

[lyric burrow]

I havent tested boss damage too much

[spice veldt]

a non-unyielding DS with riposte/uncanny will kill a plogryn in 50 seconds

[cyan thicket]

I have never actually seen anyone recommend axes are they bad?

[spice veldt]

so prob like 40 seconds with +unyielding

[simple scaffold]

It could be toned down and still be just as good for how I use it

[lyric burrow]

Does headshot vs weakspot make a huge difference on crushers

[frank moat]

Axes used to be big meta back when passive quell was a thing, haven’t heard much hype since

[simple scaffold]

Axes are good, but psyker has dueling sword which is better

[spice veldt]

they're fine but they're kind of a generalist melee and psyker just has more specialized options at this point in time

[simple scaffold]

Exactly

Im lowkey a fan of the devils claw 1 sword for horde clear

[ebon jolt]

The good old days of kinetic deflection combat axe Mk5 push attack spam.

[spice veldt]

back when no one knew that caxe push-attacks were peepee poopoo

[old flame]

whats the best dueling swrod and perk/blessings?

[simple scaffold]

The brutal momentum nerf also is real

[frank moat]

I was always a force sword babby

[long wharf]

I genuinely miss how good mk5 caxe push attack was

[frank moat]

For the tasty revives

[lyric burrow]

Yeah caxe is all single target now

[long wharf]

Fatshark nerfed brutal momentum and limbsplitter

[spice veldt]

mk4; has the best heavies among them

[lyric burrow]

And you have better options

[spice veldt]

brumo has better hordeclear than it did before, though you'll need to actually push to stagger instead of spamming LMB

[lyric burrow]

Oh right

Ok ignore me

[spice veldt]

swish swoosh swish

[lyric burrow]

I thought they changed bm entirely for some reason

[spice veldt]

what 4 primary targets does to a mf

tbf the description doesn't explain what new BM does at all lol

such a terrible description*

[lyric burrow]

Fatshark moment

[spice veldt]

For perks, go with +Carapace/Maniac/Unyielding/Crit Chance (crit chance is more of a nicher pick and gambling addicts)
For blessings, go with Uncanny Strike (most important) and then pick among Riposte/Shred/Precognition (I prefer Riposte for all mission types except melee maelstrom and monstrosity maelstroms)

[dense prism]

is this a good gun for gun psyker?

[old flame]

is this good?

[frank moat]

I thought eviscerator got a huge cleave buff or something

Idk not a fanatic

Ah okay

[simple scaffold]

Caxe is still real real good

[spice veldt]

base stats are good nuff; You only care about Damage and Finesse on the MK4; the other stats are whatever (still nice to have them high, but it ultimately doesn't matter because of Uncanny Strike and because Cleave Damage is bugged)

[simple scaffold]

Heavy sword 9 is yhe best

[spice veldt]

you can choose to replace both perks or upgrade uncanny strike to t4 and whatnot; pick your poison

[simple scaffold]

Devils claw is good for defense

Not clear

It keeps you very safe

I use it when I wanna be defensive

[spice veldt]

dclaw's sweep heavy seemed to have been considerably buffed

[simple scaffold]

Its clear is good enough

[spice veldt]

not terrible

[gaunt bluff]

creeping flames vs warp rupture for venting shriek

[spice veldt]

Creeping Flames

[gaunt bluff]

figured

[spice veldt]

more damage, and it has actual synergy with your talents

[azure karma]

which agripinaa is the strong one

[cyan thicket]

what should I change?

[azure karma]

which agrip im asking

[spice veldt]

dclaw 1 with savage/rampage was 80 poxwalkers in 15 seconds which seems fine

though you prob won't be running savage on psyker

[neon steppe]

I’d change perks to be maniac and flak

[zinc phoenix]

I dig your obsession with detailed testing

So often people give best guess answers but this man out here with the real 📠

[modern tusk]

Is smite (bio lightning) even worth using compared to assial and brain burst?

[harsh urchin]

arco, did you test new psy aura, is it still scaled based off your scaled down cdr?

so it's 5% of your final cooldown after all reductions?

[spice veldt]

nah i haven't used it cuz it's on the left side

i assume that it's still the same

[harsh urchin]

same just worse?

lul

[modern tusk]

I meant does it's crowd control ability comparable to assial or it's damage to brainburst

[spice veldt]

psykinetic's aura is the one talent that actually got properly adjusted to fit within the same skill tree

imagine +15% CDR with zealot's relic

not that +15% teamwide CDR was balanced in the first place

[harsh urchin]

you don't need knife crit lol

[viscid matrix]

swap both perks for Crit and one of these Unyielding/carapace/flak/maniac

[harsh urchin]

you can just use any weapon and build it crit and it'll be better

cuz cleave crits give the cdr on every enemy

[long wharf]

fuck me, I was poopoo'ing the mk4 dueling sword

just did some damage tests in the psykward

it's my go-to for single target now

with Uncanny Strike at full stacks, I was one-shotting mutants

straight nuts

[viscid matrix]

if you swap carpace for maniac, you dont need uncanny max stacks for it

[long wharf]

but then I won't be as good against carapace

surge staff

this is for my smite build

[viscid matrix]

carapace isnt really a issue ever 😄 even without carapace on the weapon
monstrocities and muties are more dangerous

[long wharf]

yeah, double checking the damage table

carapace isn't worth a perk slot

gonna switch it to maniac

[languid tusk]

I think solid build needs 1 way to hurt monsters and 1 way to deal with gigahorde (occasionally u get team where nobody can handle gigahorde and thats a big problem)

[viscid matrix]

unyielding is better for monstrocities if you wanna wreck them instead

[long wharf]

I'd rather have surge staff for hurting monstrosities at range

[tardy flower]

yea I was thinking of putting unyeilding on this

[spice veldt]

tbh I think I'm going to just swap to thammer zealot whenever I play monstrosity maelstrom

though there is the chainsword

[long wharf]

chainsword is very good

I switched from a near perfect power sword to a decent chainsword on my vet

happy so far with the change

[languid tusk]

try crit psyker with bloodletter + shred chainsword

maximum destruction

[spice veldt]

darcy was pulling some big numbers on monstrosity maelstrom with it

[long wharf]

I don't know who "darcy" is

[spice veldt]

o just a vet player

[whole oxide]

type "vet OP" in vet channel and find out

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[long wharf]

no thanks, trolling isn't really my forte

[old flame]

I've been using the illisi for ever and not much else

the dueling sword is pretty good

i didnt even realize it

[long wharf]

Illisi still reigns as horde weapon of my choice

[old flame]

illisi got boring for me

[languid tusk]

i like deimos for horde. i spam heavies and shake my mouse like a shakeweight to hit all the enemeis at once

[old flame]

I still use the illisi for my palpatine build

[viscid matrix]

Illisi does that better, and gets bonuses to do it

[fringe garden]

All other things being equal, would you choose Blast Radius or Warp Resistance as a dump stat on a Voidstrike?

[long wharf]

BR

the difference between 0 and 100 blast radius is 2

the range is [2..4]

well, was [2..4]

[fringe garden]

kk, I kinda figured. Just wanted someone to tell me lol

[old flame]

my psyker gun slinger is a wip but i used the revolver and dueling sword and go on the right side of the tree

[fringe garden]

Finally got a Voidstrike with Surge

[spice oar]

Been gunkin with the recon

[formal glade]

Best perks/blessings for the chainsword specifically for monstrosities?

[long wharf]

oof

why?

the only reason to use recon lasgun is on a vet

[spice oar]

Unironically pretty fun

I love the torrent of las

Want to get a good headhunter tho

[long wharf]

you'll enjoy the recon lasgun on the vet more

far better ammo economy

and rending

plus more

[near wyvern]

+unyielding and bloodletter I guess

but you can't use bloodletter if the boss is on you

[viscid matrix]

def blast radius

[keen slate]

Pog?

[viscid matrix]

that one thing makes all guns good on vet, they have so much rending on their tree

[viscid matrix]

pog

what staff?

[long wharf]

yep, but recon lasgun VId makes the best use of it

[keen slate]

Voidstrike

[long wharf]

due to sheer firerate

[viscid matrix]

swap flurry for Surge then

double hit on crit

[keen slate]

Well, when I find it I will

[long wharf]

which you get a lot of when you hit headshots of crowds

[formal glade]

Oh and any particularly good perks for the Trauma staff? I already have blessings I quite like but am not sure if putting any particular perks might help hit breakpoints on heavier targets like maulers

[keen slate]

Searching for certain blessing is pain in the ass

[uncut sable]

first time playing since this talent ovehaul thing, smite is insane

[wise crest]

psyker is so fun

[uncut sable]

who needs a purgatus staff when you can be emporer palpatine

[keen slate]

Vets have mad copium about psyker's new abilities

[viscid matrix]

there are 2 ways
buy mass whites, upgrade to blue then get blessings or barter, costs about 500ish platsteel per weapon, less likely to get rare blessings
buy mass whites, upgrade to orange, more likely to get rare blessings, costs about 1500 platsteel per weapon

[wise crest]

do u need blessings to do good in this game

[long wharf]

the best way to get t4 blessings is to only upgrade 360+ whites

[keen slate]

Depends, but mostly yes

[wise crest]

he spittin rn

[wise crest]

damn im just a casual

[keen slate]

It's a bug, obviously

will be fixed

[viscid matrix]

if you are playing the first 3 dificulties no, heresy or higher yes

[wide galleon]

how do I make my screen look like this

[uncut sable]

I used to use this

[formal glade]

Mostly depends on the difficulty and class, some classes have blessings that make them work much stronger than usual. For psyker, I'd say you have quite a bit of leniency if you're running things like Assail

[uncut sable]

now i use this

[wise crest]

literally only been using assail

[spice veldt]

they lowered the scaling on blessings so having a t1 blessing compared to its t4 version isn't as bad as before

[formal glade]

In that case, you really dont need super strong blessings to carry t4 with little issues; what staff are you using?

[spice veldt]

of course, it still depends on a per-blessing basis

[keen slate]

I'd say for psyker, blessings on his staffs are more important than perks

To the point where perks are your personal choice over efficiency

[viscid matrix]

Warp Nexus is BIS on all staves
the secondary blessing is preference

[strong gulch]

When you were ready to dump all of your plasteel into the garbage but you forgot that you already dumped it all into the garbage.

[wide galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[formal glade]

Perks are pretty much just QoL on psyker. They let you 1-2 shot things instead of 2-3 shotting

[austere burrow]

true

Suboptimal mk4 feels better than a well rolled knife lmao

[uncut sable]

cause honestly smite is better

[formal glade]

Lmao yep, it's kinda silly how overtuned it is currently. But after suffering with brain burst for over a year; its about time we had some fun

[uncut sable]

especially with gaze

[wide galleon]

how do I kill stuff with it

[viscid matrix]

eh smite is good at stunlocking everything, assail is good at horde killing, brain rupture is good at targeting specific enemies from safety of cover

[uncut sable]

smite with gaze seems to shread hoards

[wide galleon]

what’s the difference between charging smite and not

[pine nova]

ladies and gentlemen, I present to you... the worst trauma staff ever

[viscid matrix]

Vrak III, Kantreal XII and Void are all just as good or better

[royal falcon]

Any of yall recommend a weapon against ragers? Last team I played with got mopped by there being a freakish amount of them

[formal glade]

I personally really like my MK4 for ragers

[spice veldt]

duelling sword and dclaw are the two melees I can think of

[formal glade]

1 taps them in the head with a heavy*

[gentle rose]

I think I just smite or assail ragers depending on what build I'm running, both handle groups of ragers ok

[vestal cargo]

Anyone have recommendations on what to change with this deimos?

[spice veldt]

true, assail is a guaranteed stagger on ragers

dab on ragers with the mk4 https://streamable.com/ne9i5s

[royal falcon]

hm

[viscid matrix]

if you dont mind it, riposte is pretty good, but swap slaugterer for uncanny strike

swap groaners/poxwalkers for flak or carapace

[formal glade]

Not kidding when I say just throw on maniac damage + uncanny and everything else is just a bonus

DS is insane currently

Idk, I dont ever use the word "need" when a weapon is very very strong. Sure it helps you 1 shot a few more things, but 2 tapping with a fast weapon with insane mobility never really "needs" anything

I'm just saying because I know a lot of people see things like "need/required" and get the impression that the weapon in question will not be worth using without said things when thats far from the case for weapons like the DS

Now if someone were to say you need power cycler on the power sword, by all means. It feels god awful without it

[viscid matrix]

i never say need, i say things like BIS 😄

[formal glade]

Agreed

[limber grove]

Heavy what?

[molten prawn]

thinking of what i should swap out on this

probably flak

and i need the rend

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny Strike instead of rampage, and maniac/carapace/unyielding instead of weak spot

[molten prawn]

Headshots dont really hit flak do they

Ya

[royal falcon]

so uh

spamming right click with voidstrike is funny

[marble locust]

For the Dueling swords, is the best Blessings Rampage and Uncanny Strike 4?

[molten prawn]

Trying it you proc rampage off hordes where you dont really care

[viscid matrix]

i use Shred and Uncanny

[strong gulch]

Irc weak spot has some funny maths that make it not great.

Swap rampage for uncanny strike and weak spot for crit chance/manic/unyeilding

[viscid matrix]

sure, but higher crit gives you way more damage with that 2.2x crit and 2.2x weakspot damage

[strong gulch]

Rampage is very conditional, especially for a weapon that is gears towards single pokes with blessings that support that.

Needing a group with no armor in it is annoying.

But if you like it, keep it.

[whole oxide]

i dunno why everyone dismisses rampage on DS

can reach 1-shot lights on poxwalkers with it

[harsh urchin]

have you tested precog

curious if it hits any BPs

[spice veldt]

the one BP I know of is precog consistently letting you two-shot crushers but with only +carapace

maybe +elite will be enough

[royal falcon]

an effect that procs when hitting multiple enemies where the weapon's whole point is to hit single enemies

why do you think

[spice veldt]

I haven't seen with +elite yet

I'd bring precog to melee maelstrom and monstrosity maelstroms

[viscid matrix]

because the only way to hit multiple enemies at once is the push
better off hitting weakspots and getting crit chance to make the big pokes hit harder

[whole oxide]

like i said, rampage allows reaching 1-hit with lights on poxwalkers, that's not a small thing to dismiss

[spice veldt]

hmm, should it only be melee maelstrom and monstrosity maelstroms

[harsh urchin]

precog is a bit harder to sustain though

[spice veldt]

i should prob bring precog more

[harsh urchin]

but 60% finesse dmg

is a shitload

[spice veldt]

yeah only 2 seconds compared to the 6 seconds of riposte

[harsh urchin]

rampage still might be a better secondary

[spice veldt]

yeah, riposte and precog are quite balanced to each other numerically speaking

[harsh urchin]

to round out your horde clear

[whole oxide]

throwing a push-attack in every few seconds isn't difficult

[spice veldt]

though I usually have hordeclear elsewhere

[harsh urchin]

you don't even need to push attack after it's up afaik

cuz they changed it to power

[final sluice]

What’s the best way to complete warp battery?

[spice veldt]

if DS is a good portion of your hordeclear, then yeah bring rampage

[viscid matrix]

sure, but a crit weakspot hit is vastly more damage than the small increase from rampage max stacks

[harsh urchin]

yeah but everything already dies

[whole oxide]

i wouldn't choose to use a DS to horderclear, but, if you find yourself surrounded and having to pull out the melee to block

[harsh urchin]

to crit non-weakspot or non-crit weakspot

[whole oxide]

i like to be able to actually kill stuff fast in that situation

[harsh urchin]

crit weakspot is pretty much only relevant against boss

[spice veldt]

i'm using the DS to push/run away to get space to shard all over the heretics

or using it to proc malefic momentum or for when my bad assail management makes me somehow run out of shards

depends on how much time your DS spends doing damage and how much hordeclear it's doing during that time

which is eh

if only the mk2 was properly buffed

[viscid matrix]

rampage damage is not as good as a higher chance to crit on a weakspot when you are hitting a crusher or mauler
rampage damage increase pales in comparison to a crit weakspot hit

[whole oxide]

i find being able to clear poxwalkers twice as fast more useful than memeing mutants with 1-shot, when 2 shots is pretty fast

[viscid matrix]

staves and blitzs can take care of the trash, dueling sword is to deal with the armoured targets

[spice veldt]

I don't take maniac or shred/riposte/precog for mutants

[harsh urchin]

yeah but we're not bringing rampage

for crushers and maulers lol

[spice veldt]

I take them and other perks for crushers/maulers/bosses

[harsh urchin]

we're bringing rampage to improve our game against horde/mixed

i'd just bring riposte or precog

[whole oxide]

in an ideal situation, yeah, but when you're surrounded, you can't be staying safe with assail

[harsh urchin]

if i wanted to have even more single target

[spice veldt]

if you quickswap then yes you can be safe with Assail

especially with soulstealer

Assail has uninterruptible throws, and you can throw shards 0.19s after swapping

[viscid matrix]

Assail can easily deal with any horde that doesnt have armour in the middle of it

[spice veldt]

I have my blitz key bound to [X]

[whole oxide]

if you're never finding yourself surrounded, you can't be pushing yourself hard enough

[spice veldt]

i'm saying that you can be surrounded and still have space to throw out shards

[viscid matrix]

or you are playing with pugs who cant handle playing higher tier content

[spice veldt]

pushes will stagger enemies for longer than 0.19 seconds

[ornate hamlet]

how to get frienzied enemies achievement?

[spice veldt]

and the second shard comes out after 0.33 seconds

[whole oxide]

yeah, the point is, it can happen

[royal falcon]

fuckit I guess we're doing this thanks hadron

[whole oxide]

planning your build for ideal circumstances where enemy line up in a nice row for you, isn't really optimal

[viscid matrix]

id rather a single target dueling sword that is built for wrecking crushers and maulers, while my ranged weapon and blitz are for dealing with everything else

[royal falcon]

planning your build for ideal circumstances ||where enemy line up in a nice row for you,|| isn't really optimal

[viscid matrix]

assail doesnt need enemies lined up in a row

smite doesnt either

purge staff doesnt

[whole oxide]

purge doesn't really handle being surrounded

[viscid matrix]

if i have a surge staff, then ill bring illisi for the horde

[viscid matrix]

it staggers everything, of course it does

[whole oxide]

no, it doesn't

unless you're only fighting groaners

[harsh urchin]

It can kill mixed if you abuse hand Cannon keke

[steel flame]

You can also still direct shards to hit if you swap right after tossing them so it's super easy to use them to set enemies up for a combo

[viscid matrix]

if you swap weapon, assail shards are less likely to target weakspots

[steel flame]

So

[viscid matrix]

still good, but less so

[steel flame]

They will still stagger or chip most of the things I would need to do that for

[viscid matrix]

enemies behind you and around you are staggered when using secondary for purga
onlythings that arent are ogryns, maulers and armoured ragers

not sure about ragers tho

[jolly cedar]

What should i change with this staff?

[steel flame]

Do a fire trauma

[whole oxide]

you have 2 options, keep the blazing and swap flurry to nexus for blazing-trauma, or, swap blazing to rending for flurry-trauma

both valid options, personally blazing-trauma is better

[viscid matrix]

swap out flurry for warp nexus, swap out specialists for maniac/unyielding/flak

[jolly cedar]

hmmm, why isnt flurry considered to be that good?

[whole oxide]

it limits your damage output to the inner-blast area of the trauma blast, blazing can damage a wider area

[viscid matrix]

its good, but nexus gives crit chance which means way more damage
flurry is just charge time on secondary

[jolly cedar]

secondary is the aoe for trauma staff right?

isnt that like super important?

[whole oxide]

its not about the direct damage output

crit does nothing for trauma direct damage

[steel flame]

Flurry did get buffed so stacks don't drop on quell

[jolly cedar]

isnt it as essential as onslaught on helbore lasguns?

[viscid matrix]

you dont get soulburn unless you crit
so yes it does matter

[steel flame]

But with the skill changes blaze trauma with a crit or fire build is better

[whole oxide]

exactly

crit is needed for burning

[viscid matrix]

which = damage

[whole oxide]

but if you're just looking at the direct damage, flurry is superior to nexus

so it all depends on if you want a burning build or direct damage build

[limber grove]

Is voidstrike good?

[viscid matrix]

isnt it like 40% faster charge time on max stacks for flurry? so maybe half a second faster charge?

[whole oxide]

40% faster charge is equivalent to nearly double damage

thats insane damage boost

[spice veldt]

a quicky to show that you can be pretty safe with assail and a non-rampage duelling sword even without really push-attack and just spamming dodges (remember that psyker gets 50% toughness DR on dodges) https://streamable.com/bkuwye

[steel flame]

I swear....Everytime somebody calls soulblaze soulburn a part of my soul dies

[whole oxide]

yeah, but, Assail

[limber heath]

is soulburn something from anothe game? never seen people call it that

[harsh urchin]

Do you prefer to play at high heat quelling a ton or do you prefer to blast from low heat to high heat

[viscid matrix]

soulburn/soulblaze samething

[jolly cedar]

uh, i just want the maximum amount of damage possible

[harsh urchin]

Former playstyle is necessary for fire trauma, latter is more suited for traditional

[jolly cedar]

My job is just to kill everything lol

[viscid matrix]

its like .4 of a second
that is not double damage

[whole oxide]

who wants to be seen using Assail, instant revocation of swag-badge

[whole oxide]

if it takes you half the time to charge, it means you attack twice as often

[spice veldt]

me because I hate people who say that assail falls off on damnation

and I like to abuse shit

[viscid matrix]

its not half the time to charge, and it still ends up being .8 of a second instead of 1.3 of a second

[spice veldt]

i am a proud pre-patch bolter vet player

[harsh urchin]

I'm abusing handcannon bug until they fix it

[spice veldt]

fuck yeah'

[harsh urchin]

Lolololol

[limber heath]

i'm unconvinced anyone actually believes this, they're just trying to make assail seem less good so fatshark doesn't nuke it

[whole oxide]

okay? it's still a massive increase in how often your attacking

[limber heath]

that's my conspiracy theory and i'm sticking with it because i refuse to believe people can be that stupid

[spice veldt]

unfortunately, people do have garbage takes like that

[viscid matrix]

agree to disagree then
i think warp nexus on a blaze truma is way more important than warp flurry

[spice veldt]

i have some psykers that I just do double the damage of even though we're both spamming assail and it really just boggles the mind in how you can be so garbage at using a mechanically simple weapon

[whole oxide]

yeah, on blazing-trauma it is

i wasn't talking about blazing trauma

[harsh urchin]

I actually do think it's significantly better on lower diff to the point where other people don't get too play the game

[spice veldt]

you have all the apm in the world to just focus on weapon switching

[modern tusk]

Mom dad the kids are fighting about metas in chat again

[harsh urchin]

Like i can understand these malice players being sad hahaha

[spice veldt]

yeah it's certainly stomping the lower difficulties in particular

and I guess people expect the scaling to just kill off assail

too bad it doesn't and they would know this if they just play a damnation game with assail

[viscid matrix]

the main problem for all the new players is that assail ruins a mission for them, cause it does way too much and so they just follow along and watch

[limber heath]

all my psykers in lower difficulties are busy blowing themselves up, the shitty veteran i'm levelling can usually keep up with their damage

[harsh urchin]

They dont know that scaling doesnt exist for psyker

BB had the same issue last November

When the game came out

[whole oxide]

the problem with assail isn't the raw damage output, it's that it takes no effort

[spice veldt]

and that

[limber heath]

i wonder what happens if i ctrl+f "the problem with assail"

[harsh urchin]

I don't mind it taking no effort lol, it just needs to not have 10 ammo

[marble locust]

If they increase the cooldown it should be fine, it's just climbs back so easily

[viscid matrix]

the problem with assail, is that there is too much amunition, i shouldnt be able to use only assail for an entire mission and never run out of ammo

[harsh urchin]

Lots of things take no effort

Like heavy sword

[spice veldt]

yeah, I'd keep the aim assist for quick-swapping purposes

[whole oxide]

but ammo/peril management is part of effort

[spice veldt]

though both are easily ingrained into your muscle memory

whereas the mechanical skill for aiming has a wider range

it is essentially just 0 effort to go through a rotation once you have the muscle memory for it

[whole oxide]

people post videos showing how "OP" assail is, showing it mowing down 10 enemies or whatever, and, you coudl make the exact same video with a brauto or recon

[marble locust]

Honestly Lightning is probably better as it stops you from getting bumrushed in Auric Damn, but if anyone goes down for clutching Asail is way better

[whole oxide]

the difference is the brauto/recon have had to unstow their weapon, aim it, manage ammo

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't consider the weapon swap timers part of "effort" though

[harsh urchin]

I'm down for a massive rebalance on the darts though

[marble locust]

I mean Orgyn's nade can drop more than 10 random mobs

[spice veldt]

besides the mental effort for deciding when you can pull it out which is pushing the definition imo

[whole oxide]

ehhh, with a bolter, planning ahead and swapping in time i would consider to be part of how to play bolter well

[marble locust]

(Rumbler not their grenade)

[limber heath]

I honestly used to not even register the fact that weapon swapping takes time until I used a hellbore

[spice veldt]

well, maybe on zealot

[harsh urchin]

Like triple the damage, ammo down to 2, reload up to 10s

[spice veldt]

but not on vet (press F)

[limber heath]

every single weapon i've used felt almost instant before I tried hellbore

[harsh urchin]

Turn it into a blitz rather than a primary

[spice veldt]

I would not triple its damage

[marble locust]

Hellbore is slow swap, Plasma is a slow swap, Bolter is slow swap, and Stubbers are slow.

[spice veldt]

and especially as long as it keeps its interaction with weapon blessings

[whole oxide]

point is, if assail had a 1s swap time, and more limited ammo, and required more careful aim, it wouldn't be OP, the damage isn't the issue

[harsh urchin]

I would not use it if they reduced ammo to 2 and upped cd to 10 and did current damage

Lol

[clear heath]

wtf 1 warp charge full refunds shield

[spice veldt]

yeah, and I don't think anyone argued that

I've made many statements that if you looked at its raw DPS output, it'd be fine

but if you evaluate the other factors, then that's where the overtuned shit is coming from

you can search through my discord messages if you wish

[whole oxide]

I never thought you said otherwise

I wasn't disagreeing with you, more the general populace

[spice veldt]

oh ok

yeah fucking dumbasses who just ignore the other aspects of assail

garbage players who should just shut the fuck up

I don't care if they exist or suck, but they should just shut their mouth when it comes to balance

[clear heath]

I think most people who have actually used assail and think it should be nerfed have just said the cooldown should be increased

[spice veldt]

yeah, most people are in agreement now

but there were more people who somehow did not immediately realize the stupidity of assail early on

and kept on defending it for some reason

and there are still some people who believe this to this day

though they're fewer in number now

[harsh urchin]

I still dont think its as busted as VS

To be fair

[clear heath]

well voidstrike is also broken

[spice veldt]

true

[whole oxide]

what I was arguing against really, is this: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/176aknw/playing_melee_with_your_assail_psyker_friend/

[royal falcon]

ok so I did a couple of runs with mk4 and you're right, rampage can go hard on this

[spice veldt]

I only don't talk about voidstrike because I don't use it

[royal falcon]

my apologies

[whole oxide]

where, someone kills 10 poxwalkers, and they use that as proof that assail OP

[marble locust]

Void is silly

[viscid matrix]

im kinda glad that BR still works the same as BB did before and still does the same job

[molten prawn]

Im having fun with laspitol/ BB

[odd siren]

I think every staff is honestly great atm

void is super strong but I kind of get bored of it

[viscid matrix]

Void is overtuned, purga is a little undertuned

Trauma and Surge are pretty balanced

[odd siren]

purg is my favorite but i'd kinda agree

[whole oxide]

void and surge are kinda trying to occupy the same single-target space, which means one will always be sub-par

[clear heath]

I've been enjoying surge staff, although it's super outclassed by voidstrike rn

[odd siren]

surge cc

[clear heath]

that's just voidstrike being broken tho

[odd siren]

is much better than void

[viscid matrix]

and this is why some dumbasses think surge is garbage

[odd siren]

stops mutants etc

stoms bursters

[molten prawn]

i havent tried the new surge staff

[odd siren]

I used to not really like the old surge staff, but now i love it

[harsh urchin]

Surge is great

[limber heath]

surge staff is still really solid ngl.

[molten prawn]

as being a CC bot before the update turned me off

[whole oxide]

it doesn't stop mutants quite like it did before

[limber heath]

its nice that the CC bot role got shifted to smite

[viscid matrix]

Surge is great, you can choose the target that gets the shock via aiming, and it does a decent amount of damage to the first target, secondary target has like 10% of the damage

[molten prawn]

anything that not point and hold button for 10 sec is a good update IMO

[clear heath]

yeah it's just that you can just use void instead and kill everything in 1 hit

[viscid matrix]

because its currently way overtuned

[odd siren]

Idk i find void the most boring

[clear heath]

who thought this was a good idea?

[viscid matrix]

Surge is also really fast charge time now to

[limber heath]

yea i don't think anyone is arguing against void . you can always just use void assail bubble empowered

[spice veldt]

and keeping the cleave that it has

[viscid matrix]

that wasnt the problem, the problem was it does 100% damage to all targets and has like 10 cleave instead of 4

[limber heath]

and then a mk4 ofc

[clear heath]

actually

[harsh urchin]

Didnt they buff it from 6 to 10 lul

[molten prawn]

hopefully theres so much broken stuff they dont touch the rest

[spice veldt]

yeah, they just scaled the cleave to the hitmass that groaners/poxwalkers have

[harsh urchin]

They prob shouldve lowered it to 1 or 2

[spice veldt]

groaners have 1.25 hitmass now and poxwalkers have 1.5 hitmass

[whole oxide]

trauma also got buffed 70%, I'm more than happy for void to take the heat

[molten prawn]

MK4 is like 4 other weapons down from nerfs

[spice veldt]

poxwalkers used to have 1 hitmass

6/1 = 6, and 9/1.5 = 6

[harsh urchin]

The reason bolt staff is balanced in VT is cuz its pure single target

Boltstaff with 10 cleave

[harsh urchin]

Is fucking diagusting

[molten prawn]

boltstaff also doesnt have a massive hitbox

things awful to aim

[harsh urchin]

Its not lol

You just put your mouse on their head

[whole oxide]

i don't know what they can do with void though, if they reduce the single-target and make it more AoE, then its competing with Trauma, if they reduce AoE and make it more single-target then its competing with surge

[limber heath]

did they just multipyl everything by 1.5 😭

[molten prawn]

also void stagger monsters

for some reason

[harsh urchin]

Nah they can make it single target stagger + long range

[spice veldt]

it is the one precision weapon psyker has, so I'd just tinker with its finesse stuff

[harsh urchin]

And headshots

Yep

Single target, stagger, long range and headshots

[limber heath]

this seems a bit unhinged too, did they make it just ignore all armor or am i reading this wrong?

[whole oxide]

i've seen it stagger pogryn, but only with fully charged crit headshot, never seen it on spawn/beast

[harsh urchin]

And surge is short range, anti armor and fast

[harsh urchin]

You can stag spawn

But its hard cuz he moves around alot

Beast is immune to displacement

Cuz hes a slug

[harsh urchin]

They essentially made surge an all purpose anti short range single target now

[viscid matrix]

basicly yes, armour doesnt impact the damage

[harsh urchin]

Works great on the midrange specials

[sour bison]

But void deal 2x damage to single target

[harsh urchin]

We all know void is busted lol

I'm ok with it keeping its current damage but nerfing cleave to 1.5-2

So it basically still murders everything with headshots

[viscid matrix]

actually the base damage is roughly the same, the prblem is it can hit more than 1 target, explode and damage everything around that target
and crit to hit twice in a single hit

[harsh urchin]

But just stops being effective against hordes

[clear heath]

it also doesn't one shot crushers in a crit

they should give us surge on surge staff

would be funny

[viscid matrix]

that only happens because of the crit for hitting twice with surge blessing on a headshot
surge can 2shot crushers

[whole oxide]

i do wonder if people would feel the same about Void if surge-blessing didn't exist

[viscid matrix]

it would be more balanced

[harsh urchin]

I mean i dont even use surge

[whole oxide]

considering how long it takes to charge Void, it doing big damage is fine

[harsh urchin]

Its insanely broken with flurry transfer peril

[viscid matrix]

the damage is slightly less on surge

765 to 720

[limber heath]

surge can't weakspot either, can it?

[sour bison]

So is void

[proven stirrup]

Yknow as much as I enjoy this game and the multiplayer, I do not like having to be constantly aware of everyone else's preferred way to play

I keep getting stuck in shitty situations because I'm just suddenly left behind

[viscid matrix]

nope, that is also a reason why it does so much damage cause its like 1200 on a weakspot hit

[clear heath]

How much is your surge staff doing? Mine can only 3 shot at best

[sour bison]

Hope they won't nerf it to oblivion

[limber heath]

pick a teammate and staple yourself to them. unless your teammates are just consistently shit (which is entirely possible) you'll not be left behind that way

[harsh urchin]

What kind of situations? I think one hallmark of getting better is breaking yourself out and also making sure you dont get abandoned

You want to be able to handle those situations by yourself if possible

[spice veldt]

no harm in just leading enemies to your team

[proven stirrup]

It's not about being good at the game it's about just not doing anything outside of what the rest of the team is doing

[viscid matrix]

with a crit its like 1200 damage,but then all the buffs on the talent tree

i also edge my peril, so im always doing secondary, quell, secondary adn staying at 100% a lot of the time

[proven stirrup]

I can jeep up just fine, but I need fucking materials

And I take slightly longer paths to look for them and whoops the team of ogryns are suddenly a room ahead of me

[harsh urchin]

Well in hi5stg pretty much its a single player game with 4 players lol

Plenty of times u get cut off

And have to handle boss, horde, specials or some combination by urself

[proven stirrup]

Well I don't play that high up. Too sweaty

Especially since I dont have a kit solid enough to even try yet

because I need materials

and no one will look for them :V

[harsh urchin]

Playing in higher difficulty gives more

Lol

[whole oxide]

i wouldn't try to search every single corner for plasteel though, better to get to the end quick and go again

[proven stirrup]

It also gives you nothing when you fail

[limber heath]

like yea the occasional disabler might hit you if you get bodyblocked or something but if its anything else (horde/ ragers/shooters) you should be able to handle them alone

[harsh urchin]

I'm pretty sure you get what u found if you fail no?

[limber heath]

nah idts? not positive now that you say that though

[marble locust]

There can be too much plasteel in a match I have been told you can hit the cap and more still be on the map

[harsh urchin]

Having good perks and blessings helps

[cyan notch]

u get like 1/3 of what u collected if u fail

[harsh urchin]

I can 1 shot the priority targets

Like maniacs, gunners, shotgunners

[limber heath]

oh i guess that's a nice consolation prize at least

[nimble adder]

Is Psyker able to block both bullets and melee?

[marble locust]

with a blessing to bullets yes

or the sheild specx

[cyan notch]

better than nothing yea

[proven stirrup]

Yeah I get more out of actually finishing a mission on malice instead of failing a heresy mission

[clear heath]

I don't see how 2 shot crusher with surge staff is possible. 1200 damage isn't even half of it's hp

[proven stirrup]

Especially when it fails before you get the chance to pick any up lmao

I'm not about to pretend I'm good at this game but me not being great isn't the main issue here.

[whole oxide]

which is why its better to just stick together and finish rather than splitting up to search every corner

[proven stirrup]

I'm not searching every corner, I know that's not ideal

I'm just swinging around alternate paths on the way

The missions already take long enough to annoy me most of the time, I wanna make this time commitment count for more.

But it's whatevs, I'm just venting

Shit's exhausting when you have no friends that play

And no, I'm not making new ones, I have plenty, thanks.

[clear heath]

okay actually i can make it 2 shot a crusher, but with some setup and luck

with warp charges and damage increase on crit, i can hit for 1500 on crits

[viscid matrix]

You can make it higher with the crit increase damage top right of tree

Sitting at 85% peril for 20% more damage

Ranged damage on the tree

10% against elites aura

[clear heath]

i have the crit buff and peril buff already

[tacit urchin]

How do headhunter AGs rank as a gun psyker choice

[viral solstice]

rn vraks 3 is probably one of the best ones

finesse 3.00 baby

deadly accurate 100% crit damage works on assail

[viscid matrix]

Vraks III and Kantreal XII are the 2 better weapons for gunker

[viral solstice]

20% headhunter is stacked by assail

so u throw assail and it gives ur next shot 60% crit hcance of ur lucky

if u quickswap to the gun as assil is in midair u get the crit damage on ur assail to if it crits

[viscid matrix]

can use hand cannon from revolver to give rend to assail

[viral solstice]

that works with everything and without swapping but this does require the swap

sadly

its a bit sad that blazing spirit doesnt work with assail but infernus does

[harsh urchin]

Similar to the bounty hunter bug

[viral solstice]

blazing spirit knives woulda been funi

[harsh urchin]

For infinite crits

Back in vt

[viral solstice]

right now literally every single blessing that gives the correct stat will work

so uncanny works, etc

but that will be fixed

[steel flame]

And laspistol

[viral solstice]

trickshooter doesnt tho, even tho trickshooter would be really thematic

laspistol is great because infernus and dumdum both work

[harsh urchin]

Are perks functioning

[viscid matrix]

x to doubt, i think all those will stay for a very long time

[viral solstice]

perks always function

[viral solstice]

🙂

[cyan notch]

laspistol sucks

so many updates and still has fake ammo

[steel flame]

Liar

[harsh urchin]

Infernus darts sounds sick af

[viral solstice]

it's cool looking but only one application so it's purely for the vibes

[harsh urchin]

O

[viscid matrix]

its been a year, i wouldnt be suprised if blessing buffs applied to blitzs and has always been a thing, but because of the BB cast time we didnt notice

[viral solstice]

unfortunately assail cant get surgical whereas throwing knives can

[harsh urchin]

Only 1 application? Does laspistol apply 3?

[steel flame]

It's crit chance and crit damage are also high as fuck

[viral solstice]

oh this is swaps right

so this is like stuff working with nades

[harsh urchin]

Ah i see

Besides hand cannon what else is working?

[viral solstice]

i made sure some of the interactions that are cool will stay

[harsh urchin]

For non swap

[viral solstice]

right now literally any stat that could apply to assail will work

non swap manstopper would work

if psykers got shotguns

[viscid matrix]

a lot of blessings, making assail weakspot while weilding a weapon is dificult tho

[harsh urchin]

Imagine flechette gaming

Kekeke

[viscid matrix]

you can pull it off once, but multiple times is not as easy

[viral solstice]

i mean assail tracks ur crosshair whatever ur holding

it doesnt matter what ur holding unless what u swap to uses brainburst targeting

then it breaks

[harsh urchin]

You just mouse over their head

[viral solstice]

idk where this idea started that it doesn't work, i assume because people using force weapons

[harsh urchin]

Lol

[viral solstice]

but yeah obscurus and deimos both use brain burst targeting for the special so if u swap to them after assailing the auto-targeting breaks

[viscid matrix]

i mean with multple hits on a single assail shard, the first will headshot, the rest not so much

[spice veldt]

hmm

[harsh urchin]

Ya thats what I'm thinking theyre gonna do nerfwise

[spice veldt]

interesting

[harsh urchin]

Make it more of a swap weapon

By reducing ammo

So you swap to it, use it then swap back

[steel flame]

Beats me. Never have any issues with auto target while swapping

[harsh urchin]

Rather than just stay in it

[viral solstice]

o y u gotta pray

[viral solstice]

it's only a very minor subset that will break

because the brain burst targeting thing was just used for a bunch of stuff it shouldn't be

so assail was set to use it and then woops it breaks if u hold ur force sword haha

[steel flame]

You can't use bb and assail at the same time........???????

[viral solstice]

the way assail does its targeting every frame it just essentially brain burst targets everything in a cone

[clear heath]

it does WHAT?

[viral solstice]

and prioritises the specials or whatever closest to crosshair

[steel flame]

Huh

[viral solstice]

one sec ill show

[clear heath]

man i'm glad i use the illisi then

[steel flame]

Dunno why you would need to chain assail into a fs special

[viral solstice]

no

its not if u use the special

[steel flame]

But sucks to be whoever you are

[viral solstice]

ITS IF UR HOLDING THE SWORD

[steel flame]

Huh

[harsh urchin]

Tbf I'm not sure they can fix the issue of perks/blessings applying to it too easily

[steel flame]

Sucks to be a fa user these days

[harsh urchin]

Cuz thats just how the game mechanically works

[viral solstice]

oh they can it's not very hard, there's just some stats and checks they dont use

[harsh urchin]

Esp with swaps

[viral solstice]

and i know its not very hard cos its been done

already

[harsh urchin]

With what

[clear heath]

rip those people switching to their sword to buff assail with unstable power

[viral solstice]

assail

🙂

[clear heath]

wait

i think it's happening to my illisi too

wtf

wait nvm i think that's just assail being jank

no wait i actully cannot get it to target if i swap to illisi

[cyan notch]

we are watching jsons live descent into madness

[clear heath]

the fuck

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1yvShcQedtTCr6/d1337AElEQa0?invite=cr-MSxnUFosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

theres a simple demo

[clear heath]

this includes illisi

i cannot get it to target with illisi

[viral solstice]

i didnt test it with illisi because i dont have one but fuck it add it to the list

[clear heath]

i can with staves and other non-force melees

[viral solstice]

[steel flame]

Guess I never noticed because I use dueling sword now that it works like a dueling sword

[clear heath]

it's just fucked for force swords

but why

[viral solstice]

brain burst targeting on their specials

its constantly active

[clear heath]

but why

[viral solstice]

and overriding the targeting assail uses

[clear heath]

what the fuck is brain burst targeting doing on illisi?

it's not like it affects everything with a warp attack either, considering staves don't have this issue

[steel flame]

Sir I'm gonna need you to stop asking questions

[bleak tulip]

im not a knife guy but I assume those blessings arent dope

its just funny that I never get staves like this

[steel flame]

Perks are more meh than the blessing

Might at well pick a blessing and eat it

[bleak tulip]

yeah I assumed its not good actually its more that it gave me a weapon with two tier 4 blessings

[viral solstice]

uncanny is bis

[bleak tulip]

eating

[viral solstice]

swap smackdown to whatever u want keep 8% elites and swap melee crit to whatever shit u like

[bleak tulip]

or not eating

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1yvWVAlmNQeKlp/d1337ybZtAy6?invite=cr-MSxDZXEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[bleak tulip]

?

[viral solstice]

and uncanny knife is fun with assail anyway

[harsh urchin]

Oh yeah crab did you end up using point blank or crucian

As second blessing on revolver

[viral solstice]

on revolver? i would use surgical

dont think it was me who was talking earlier tho

[harsh urchin]

Doesnt fit my playstyle sadly

[viral solstice]

i would never use point blank tho

unless u were doing a hard quickswap melee setup

[harsh urchin]

I dont like to ADS for like 3 seconds

[viral solstice]

crucian it up

[steel flame]

I can't tell if that is just more crab propaganda or not

[elfin nexus]

thats a little exaggerated

[viral solstice]

u get more value than point blank or crucian by adsing for half a second

and its deterministic

[elfin nexus]

if you read the tooltip it barely takes any time to get a lot of surgical stacks

[harsh urchin]

Its literally 1 stack per 0.35 on my gun

[cyan notch]

its pretty fast now after the buff

u need time to acquire target anyway

[viral solstice]

let me put it this way

the adm for maniac on knife heavies

is 0.5

no uncanny knife weakspot hit

uncanny weakspot hit

[steel flame]

Fair enough

[viral solstice]

i mean the only reason people dont know this is that people who are very bad at the game run bleed blessings

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x2mcuNH3ly6Hv/d1337an3fE0h?invite=cr-MSxrbDEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

its got to beyond parody

but yes this short clip explains why bleed knife is always bad

[steel flame]

I haven't messed with knife since rending got buffed

[viral solstice]

also if somebody says bleed knife for monstrosity damage

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xeFkApBVg-FFl/d1337D2NiGc8?invite=cr-MSxrWnAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

benchmark it

and damage blessings beat it... always

anyway yes right now knife isn't in a great spot oddly zealots just like running fast and feeling like they're doing something

because u click a lot

[cyan notch]

its good for people who cant hit weakspots

[viral solstice]

they need a lil more help than lacerate i feel but more power to them

[harsh urchin]

Ya but i think this is only true if ur good

If ur just stabbing the mons with lacerate and letting it tick

Cuz u cant stab the head

Itll prob do more dmg

LOL

[spice veldt]

even just spamming the revolver with surgical t4 is at least 1 stack

[viral solstice]

if u cant hit weakspots u should not be touching a knife

[bleak tulip]

on a more serious note, I assume precog as high as itll go and change unyielding for maniacs or crit?

[viral solstice]

[tacit urchin]

Do I get multiple stacks for Perfect Timing if I crit multiple enemies with one shot?

[cyan notch]

but qq with knife looks cool

[viral solstice]

the knife is bad enough but bodyshot knife is cruel and unusual punishment

[bleak tulip]

only have precog 3

[viral solstice]

prefrog

[bleak tulip]

🐸

[spice veldt]

the description is peepee poopoo;
Perfect Timing procs per critical attack, and it procs regardless of whether you hit an enemy or not

you always get one stack per critical attack

[tacit urchin]

hah so I should just mash M1 during downtime to keep it stacked

[spice veldt]

yup

that's pro strats

[tacit urchin]

that's dumb

[spice veldt]

maybe some quick implementation to make it not proc multiple times per attack

[clear heath]

wtf

you can just swing at the air for it?

[bleak tulip]

yeah you still get crits why dry humping

[viral solstice]

crits are rolled per attack not per hit so by default on crit procs work whether u hit something or not

this is how charmed reload has always worked

[tacit urchin]

I mean they could still have stipulated that it actually hurt something

[viral solstice]

if u just shoot ur stubber into the air the crit string proccing will load in the extra ammo lol

[clear heath]

does that apply to the lasgun talent on vet?

[tender sparrow]

lfg doesn't help, so I'll have to ask here. Anyone up to help with "just a flesh wound" penance ?

[viral solstice]

but most crit procs are effects on a target so nothing gets checked absent a hit

[viral solstice]

yes

shoot into the air and most of the time u wont lose ammo

[harsh urchin]

Also, whenever u crit

Your next 3-5 shots crit

[cyan notch]

maybe ask zealot chat

[harsh urchin]

Depending on weapon

[tender sparrow]

Whoops

My bad lol

[harsh urchin]

So you can actually get pretty high crit uptime

Even with only moderate crit investment

[spice veldt]

Mettle is normal but not Perfect Timing 😔

[harsh urchin]

I was testing

[viral solstice]

mettle triggers per target which is pretty fucked up in that case

and frankly

[harsh urchin]

With 5% crit and baseline vet

You can get quite a lot of yellow numbers

[spice veldt]

i wonder what will happen if I have True Aim active and blast a trauma staff near a horde

[viral solstice]

12% crit on a shredder autopistol is 30-35% of bullets per mag crit

ive been trying to get them to make all crit strings max 2

even thats kinda goofy but i mean theres no reason for crit strings to... exist

except to make people who like statistics angry

at first i assumed they were doing renormalisation of the distribution but nope

[harsh urchin]

How do you calculate this

[viral solstice]

its not even an entropy system or anything

thats measured

u can sim it more easily than calcing it

but i cant be fucked opening R

[harsh urchin]

Like how big is 30% crit

[clear heath]

maybe they just want to do less rng rolls for performance reasons

but that shouldn't be a big issue

[harsh urchin]

In terma of ur mag

[viral solstice]

oh that would be like 16-20 criuts on a 52 shot mag

it was like 15-22 iirc

[harsh urchin]

Certain weapons also do 5

I think the recon7 does 5strings

[viral solstice]

agri mk 1 is 2, graia is 3, columnus is 4

[harsh urchin]

Or was it 2

Idr

[viral solstice]

but ye its just a stupid hidden scaling for crit value that makes no sense

and the defense was originally that these were low finesse weapons

except.. iags have bananas finesse

and can now get insane amounts of crit

5% crit perked on a columnus iag used to average 14% bodyshot dps on unyielding on a zealot

downside: crit muzzleflashes blind u if u ads

so u cripple urself doing it

all round; games. sometimes they are designed.

[austere burrow]

Their opinion is invalid because Psyker is not supposed to scale, while Veteran scales. You can increase the potential power of Psyker with empowered blitz, but you can't scale Psyker and quite frankly assail is already barely passable on t3 with empowered blitz. 

Reddit has some funny posts

[ornate hamlet]

god bug abusers are SO cringe

[old flame]

The dueling sword is awesome, but it’s so akward to use because I’m so use to unlimited dodges with the force sword

[clear heath]

i wonder what their t3 games look like

[ornate hamlet]

dueling sword is a little busted isnt it

[austere burrow]

I should just link the whole post

[old flame]

I’m destroying everything with it

[austere burrow]

Person complains about how bad malice players are while also thinking that assail falls off in heresy

Bro YOU are bad

[old flame]

I just use assail to fire off a volley real quick then rush to melee

Or to take out shooter blobs

[clear heath]

see i'd like to do that but apparently switching to my melee fucking breaks the targeting

[old flame]

I notice the ai like spamming gunners on damnation a lot

[viral solstice]

they just need to nerf the mag size on assail and convert ep assail into a single big knife and force everybody to quickswap with it

its fun as fuck when quickswapped

like a qq cancel that kills things

[harsh urchin]

And all the weapons that have access to cavalcade has shit finesse

So new players try to build crit in weapons that simply don't scale well

[strong gulch]

I can't even quickswap in genshin. 🥲

bad brains

[viral solstice]

@strong gulch important

here is a cool potato

thank u

[spice veldt]

i have my blitz key on [X] now

to make it easy

[viral solstice]

ive been using that for months, my binds have been powerfully cursed

right click dodge

ctrl jump

x blitz

e reload

[spice veldt]

i can't really quell so I have quell on my mouse4 with a mod that lets me bind an action to multiple keys

[spice veldt]

wtf are these quake binds

[viral solstice]

q ranged f melee uhhhh thumb button weapon special

[harsh urchin]

Lol i have jump unbound

[viral solstice]

toggle sprint on other thumb button probably

idk

its a mystery

oh yeah

SPACE BAR AS ADS

WHERE IS UR GOD NOW

[spice veldt]

actually pro gamer move

legitimately

jump should be bound so that you can run slightly faster

[viral solstice]

they added toggle ads so i could go back but it is what it is i started doing it and its funny so ill stick to it

[harsh urchin]

The default binds in this game are legit terrible

Was crouch ctrl or c

[spice veldt]

i think ctrl

i think that's the one keybind that I would say is wonky

but the rest seems fine

to make it intuitive and actually usable by a casual audience